WEBVTT - #565 Packers Unscripted: Big rival, big game

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to a Thanksgiving edition of Packers Unscripted

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<v Speaker 1>from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by

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<v Speaker 1>the one and only W. W. Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you here from our studios at lambeau Field, and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>happy Thanksgiving to all of our viewers and listeners out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Thanksgiving to you Weston. Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot to be thankful for this year. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>circumstances are a little bit different. I wish you and

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<v Speaker 1>I were it was the old days. You and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at a metal you know, table together, no masks, just

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<v Speaker 1>frolicking around. But this is the world we live in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to be here, happy to be healthy, and

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<v Speaker 1>happy for some Packers football this Sunday against Chicago Bears. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be Sunday Night Football primetime audience, the final

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<v Speaker 1>game of the big Thanksgiving weekend of all of the

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<v Speaker 1>football activity around the country lambou Field, seven pm Central

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<v Speaker 1>Time on Sunday night. And as we talked about on

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<v Speaker 1>our last show, There's Almo. You almost can't overstate the

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<v Speaker 1>importance of this game because while the Packers can try

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<v Speaker 1>to take a three game lead in the NFC North

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<v Speaker 1>with five to play. The Bears are looking at trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get within one game with five games to play,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dynamic of this division race is going to

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<v Speaker 1>completely change depending on the result of Sunday night's games.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we get into this here, where does the

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<v Speaker 1>path to victory start for the Green Bay Packers to

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<v Speaker 1>get to eight and three? I mean, honestly, Mike, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably as simple as just trying to keep the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>off the scoreboard. Uh. This season, the Chicago Bears, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a grind for them to put up points. And

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<v Speaker 1>during their four game losing straight now I mean ten

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<v Speaker 1>points three against the Saints, seventeen against the Titans, thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>against Minnesota. Now, credit to them, their defense has kept

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<v Speaker 1>them in a lot of these things, but they just

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been able to produce points to come up with

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<v Speaker 1>victories in this season, only one game with more than thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>only two with more than twenty three. So for the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packers, I really do believe this is it's

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<v Speaker 1>as simple as it can be. It you put up points,

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<v Speaker 1>you score early, you established momentum. No, it's not an

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<v Speaker 1>easy defense to do that against but if you get production,

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<v Speaker 1>it's ultimately going to be something that I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears, with the way that they're situated right now,

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<v Speaker 1>especially as the temperatures begin to dip here, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>really built for a shootout. Yeah, that's definitely not the

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<v Speaker 1>type of game that the Bears want to get into,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly it would behoof the Packers to get off

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<v Speaker 1>to a strong start and put that Bears defense, Bears offense,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, behind the eight ball, I think defensively for

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers. I think this whole thing starts, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hate to use cliches, but it all starts with stopping

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<v Speaker 1>the run. And I have my reasons for for using

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<v Speaker 1>that cliche. In this particular matchup. The Chicago Bears have

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<v Speaker 1>lost four straight game aimes. They've had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>catch their breath on their bye week and reassess and

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<v Speaker 1>look at everything and figure out how they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>move forward offensively. Specifically, now, as you and I are

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<v Speaker 1>taping this, we did cheat a little bit, taped it

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<v Speaker 1>a little early, so we don't know at this particular

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<v Speaker 1>moment whether the Bears are going with Mitch Dubiski or

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Foles, or who is going to be the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think regardless of who the quarterback is for

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago on Sunday night, the Bears are going to come

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<v Speaker 1>into lambeau Field with a fierce commitment to run the

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<v Speaker 1>football to help out that quarterback. And here's the things.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the statistic I got off of Actually the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Bears website, they're my counterpart. Their senior writer at

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<v Speaker 1>their website had his Tuesday afternoon chat. So I stalk

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<v Speaker 1>your Wednesday afternoon chat. You guys have a battle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we we bet we battle with our live chats

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<v Speaker 1>day after day. But I I stalked it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit just to see what what Larry Meyer. Larry is

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<v Speaker 1>a great guy. I talked to him at the Combine,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on an annual basis, and and see him

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<v Speaker 1>when we are traveling. But he he had a statistic

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<v Speaker 1>that really struck me. West and here it is. The

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<v Speaker 1>first three games of the season, the Chicago Bears averaged

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred and thirty eight rushing yards per game and

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<v Speaker 1>they were three and oh. Since then, the Bears have

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<v Speaker 1>averaged fifty two rushing yards per game and they are

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<v Speaker 1>two and five now looking at the aggregate totals. That

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<v Speaker 1>means in the first three games, the Bears rushed for

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<v Speaker 1>over four hundred yards, and in their last seven games

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't even hit the four hundred yard mark on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. I think if the Bears are looking to

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<v Speaker 1>reset and reassess and figure out how to get this

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<v Speaker 1>offense going, it goes back to being committed to running

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. And I don't I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be Cordurell Patterson, if David Montgomery will be healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's going to be the wide receivers taking handoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case might be. But I think the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>have to be ready for the Bears to be strongly

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<v Speaker 1>committed to the run and this game, and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>it starts for the Packers. Yeah, and the right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's still a whole week to play out here,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does look promising for Montgomery to potential to

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<v Speaker 1>be back for this game. That's sort of the reports

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of Chicago right now. But to get to

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<v Speaker 1>your previous point, that's been the big issue. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a difference between not having a running game

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<v Speaker 1>and not having a running back, and that's where the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears have been here since basically, well one, they lost

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<v Speaker 1>Cohen right away at the beginning of the season. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a big blow to their offense, and then not

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<v Speaker 1>having Montgomery due to this concussion. As you said, Cordorill

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson is handling a lot of the handoffs now, and

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as he is. It's a different game when

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the backfield and there's all those bodies as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to when you're in the open field and you

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<v Speaker 1>can create we'll talk about keys to victory here. He's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly among them, but he's just not a natural running back,

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<v Speaker 1>although if you go back, he did hurt the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit during his time out of the backfield

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<v Speaker 1>in New England. So David Montgomery here, as you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have said for basically the last two and a

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<v Speaker 1>half years, this is the guy that they need to

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<v Speaker 1>lean on. He needs to be the man. They made

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<v Speaker 1>so many decisions, including last year with Mike Davis cutting

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<v Speaker 1>him midseason, to commit to Montgomery. If he's back on

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<v Speaker 1>the field, this game changes a lot because, as you

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out with those statistics, it hasn't even been a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where they can't run the ball. They just haven't

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<v Speaker 1>really even seemed to have it in their d n

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<v Speaker 1>A offensively without him on the field, still a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of weapons to worry about, regardless of who the quarterback is.

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<v Speaker 1>Allen Robinson is one of the most underrated receivers in

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<v Speaker 1>the National Football League. He can hurt you. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Clement has had some big moments this year. He

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<v Speaker 1>can hurt you. But that backfield, if Montgomery's back there,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where my eyes are at for. Find Mike mc

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<v Speaker 1>patton and this Packers defensive line. Yeah, and the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>on on the run defense side of things. We've just seen.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen so much up and down with it. The

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<v Speaker 1>first half against Jacksonville, James Robinson looks like he's running wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the second half against Jacksonville, the Packers clamped down.

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson doesn't get a whole lot. Jonathan Taylor doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>much at all the first half for the Colts this

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<v Speaker 1>past Sunday. Then in the second half, the Colts run

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<v Speaker 1>game gets cranked up and and the Packers are on

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<v Speaker 1>their heels and suddenly can't stop the run again. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's been this up and down, this up and down thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the Bears. The Bears are looking at

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<v Speaker 1>that film. They they're going they're going to try to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out a way to get this ground game going

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<v Speaker 1>and the and the Packers need to get some some

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<v Speaker 1>measure of steadiness and consistency with their run defense. Because

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<v Speaker 1>whoever the quarterback is for Chicago, I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to be True Whisky, but we'll just have to

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<v Speaker 1>see for sure. Whoever the quarterback is for Chicago, the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers have to put the game in that person's hands.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it is True Whisky, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the scrambling and the running around and whatnot

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<v Speaker 1>more so than anybody else. But that's that's who the Packer.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers have to turn the Bears offense over to

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback and not let that running game control the tempo.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we always talked about in the past, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron not Aaron Rodgers, but Brett Farve, if he would

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<v Speaker 1>have just come a little bit earlier to Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>and if Sterling shar but it just lasted a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer, you know what that could have been like together.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Nage never was able to cross paths with Matt Forte,

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<v Speaker 1>but my goodness, what a combo that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about the style of offense that Naggie

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<v Speaker 1>wants to run, and there have been needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of concessions for to kind of tailored to

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<v Speaker 1>the personnel in Chicago. But that's really the back that's

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<v Speaker 1>been missing from this team since he left five years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and and just the guy that can be a

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<v Speaker 1>he can be a bell cow, he can run between

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<v Speaker 1>the tackles, he can catch. I think Montgomery has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those trades, but he just doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>have that final one where it's like, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that you can just ride playing and play out

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<v Speaker 1>or he's still a young developing player who has had

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<v Speaker 1>some injury issues and hasn't hasn't really established that consistent

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<v Speaker 1>presence yet. He may get there, but he's not there yet. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's I I because I was incredibly high

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember saying that to you. I'm like, when

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<v Speaker 1>they had to trade all those picks to get klil

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<v Speaker 1>Mac that draft I was I would have been totally

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<v Speaker 1>fine if David Montgomery was my first pick the third

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<v Speaker 1>round that year. But for you know, whatever reasons, injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>offensive structure, it hasn't happened yet, and the Packers have

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure on Sunday that it doesn't happen if

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<v Speaker 1>he is on the field. Yeah, alright, Well, before we

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<v Speaker 1>offensive side of the ball here for Green Bay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this to me is the is the interesting statistic

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<v Speaker 1>going into it West. We know the Bears defense is good.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't give up a lot of points. Their first

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<v Speaker 1>in the league in third down defense. Packers are fourth

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<v Speaker 1>in the league and third down offense. That's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>matchup here. But here's the thing. The Chicago Bears are

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<v Speaker 1>four in the league against the run. They're actually giving

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<v Speaker 1>up a hundred and fifth teen rushing yards per game,

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<v Speaker 1>which is slightly which about a yard per game more

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<v Speaker 1>than Green Bay. The Packers are actually ranked thirteenth against

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<v Speaker 1>the run for all of their ups and downs in

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<v Speaker 1>in that phase of things. I think the Packers, Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Lafleur in this offense needs to have a certain commitment

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<v Speaker 1>to the run here against the Chicago Bears defense, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's Aaron Jones or Jamal Williams or whoever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to to to feature more. Packers have got to get

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<v Speaker 1>the ground game back. It's much like the Bears. The

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<v Speaker 1>Packers have to get their ground game back to where

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<v Speaker 1>it was in September in terms of the production for

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<v Speaker 1>this offense to uh to really be at at at

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<v Speaker 1>full steam and full strength for four quarters. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Packers will look to do that on Sunday night. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think even if you listen to Matt Lafleur

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of that game and even sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>the tone of his voice here the last week or so,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to be more committed to the run. When

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<v Speaker 1>they were really offensively pushing the tempo earlier this season,

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<v Speaker 1>it was because they were running the ball well, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>with Aaron Jones. So the question here is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be finding the tempo right because to some extent, I

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<v Speaker 1>understand why they didn't run the ball more. Against Indianapolis,

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<v Speaker 1>they opened in a five receiver set. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>great call. They got one on one looks for Davante Adams.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we saw going back to the Mike McCarthy era,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great aggressive mindset to have. But if that's

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<v Speaker 1>an incompletion, you're looking at second and ten, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at third and long. If you aren't able

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<v Speaker 1>to find either another pass or break a run, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where you start to play from behind a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought one of the things Green they did exceptionally

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<v Speaker 1>well during their four game winning streak to start the year,

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<v Speaker 1>was that there was such a good balance. But all

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<v Speaker 1>those past concepts sort of were predicated on what they

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<v Speaker 1>were establishing with the run. They've been up against it.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Jones has been hurt. Tyler Irvin now is dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with a second injury. He had the risk now he

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<v Speaker 1>has a rib injury. They've had to really make all

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<v Speaker 1>these modifications. But I just go back to that tried

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<v Speaker 1>and true stat Mike. It's not fun. It's not some

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<v Speaker 1>like great PFF for sabor metric thing, But if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the history here when Aaron Jones touches the

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<v Speaker 1>ball twenty or more times in a game, it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out pretty good for Green Bay and they just haven't

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<v Speaker 1>been able to get in that vicinity as of late. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was looking up some numbers and I actually

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<v Speaker 1>uh wrote about that in the Wednesday Insider Inbox edition.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Jones only had fourteen touches against the Indianapolis Colts.

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<v Speaker 1>So you wonder, like, why aren't the Packers giving them

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<v Speaker 1>ball more? Well, the Packers only ran fifty seven offensive

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<v Speaker 1>plays in the game. The two three and ounce in

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<v Speaker 1>the third quarter and combined with you know, the Colts

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<v Speaker 1>with the long drives and then you have the fumble

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<v Speaker 1>on the kickoffs so you lose a possession. There the

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<v Speaker 1>number of opportunities the package try to run on those

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<v Speaker 1>two three, Yeah, and and they did, they did exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>But overall, the number of opportunities are down. When we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen Aaron Jones getting the twenty plus touches per game,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers are running, you know, well north of sixty

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<v Speaker 1>offensive plays total, They're up at six sixty eight, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even seventy plays. I think the first game of

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<v Speaker 1>the season against Minnesota, green Bay ran like seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>offensive plays. I mean, just think the difference between seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five plays in Week one and fifty seven plays last week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a huge difference over the course of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's all of it's all of that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's about getting it's about getting the offense, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in in that consistent move the chain's mode to get

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Jones all those opportunities that you'd like him to get,

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<v Speaker 1>because you do want Aaron Jones to touch the ball

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<v Speaker 1>more than fourteen times in a game. Everybody would admit that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know exactly. And again it's one of these deals

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<v Speaker 1>where you just have to figure out exactly what's working

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<v Speaker 1>for you. I thought last week, even though green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>did come up short, Okay, that's the reintegration of al

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<v Speaker 1>Lazard in the offense. That's having Robert Tonyan and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your main playmakers. I even made the comment during the

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<v Speaker 1>game that you know, after a game in which against

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<v Speaker 1>the Jacksonville that they were swinging in Jowan Winfrey from

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<v Speaker 1>the practice squad. He played a half dozen plays. It

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<v Speaker 1>was more your standard four top four receivers. In this

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<v Speaker 1>game with Lizard Adams mvs. Obviously, and then e q

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<v Speaker 1>st Brown getting the twenty three yards screen. The biggest

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<v Speaker 1>question I have going into the month of December here is, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you've you've gotten this far. You've got Aaron Jones healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>Jamal Williams is doing fine. What does this look like?

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<v Speaker 1>What does the Matt Lafleur offense look like as you

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<v Speaker 1>move into the month of December. How much running are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to see? What are the allocations of snaps

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<v Speaker 1>going to look like? We always used to joke about

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<v Speaker 1>I personally, did you know Mike McCarthy had always have

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<v Speaker 1>this list of Okay, well we gotta get Eddie Lacey,

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<v Speaker 1>this mini carries, and James starts, this mini carries, and

0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Christian Michael this mini carries. I remember even seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>on the board. It never worked out that way, but

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<v Speaker 1>Mike had what he was aiming for, just seeing what

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<v Speaker 1>the preparation is and how that gets affected throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the game. That I think that starts on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're facing a team that, yes, you said

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<v Speaker 1>they are giving up yards on the run, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think their tenth in the in the league when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to average yards per carry. They hold up their

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<v Speaker 1>end of the bargain, but they're there to be had.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a great test for green Man. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's something they need to do look at, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>as a running the game to be able to bounce

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<v Speaker 1>back after what some of the things that came upshot

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<v Speaker 1>against Indianapolis. Yeah, and not that we need to belabor

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<v Speaker 1>the belabor the point on third down because third down

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<v Speaker 1>is always important. But as I said, the Bears are

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<v Speaker 1>first in the league and third down defense percentage wise.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers are fourth in the league and third down

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<v Speaker 1>offense percentage wise. They're going to be some critical, critical

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<v Speaker 1>third downs in this game on Sunday Night that that

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<v Speaker 1>will factor in. I want to just get your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on some other games on Sunday, since we get to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the bulk of the Sunday slate before the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>will kick off in the evening. Your thoughts on on

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina going to Minnesota. And I bring this up because

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina is a team the Packers will be playing in December.

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<v Speaker 1>That game has now been slated for Saturday night on

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<v Speaker 1>December nineteenth at lambeau Field. But if you ever if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever want an example of the NFL being a

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<v Speaker 1>week to week league. As we talk about. Two weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the Carolina Panthers gave up forty six points to the

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Seven days later, they shut out the

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit Lions and one to zero. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen that from forty six points allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>zero from week to week. But my point is Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't really know what you're gonna get. And now

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota is they're they're hanging by a thread here in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFC North because of that lost to the Dallas Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just I gotta I have to comment on this.

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<v Speaker 1>That Panthers Lions game is the most bizarre thing I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen. It wasn't that crazy. With all due respect

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<v Speaker 1>to him. P J Walker from the XFL was starting

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<v Speaker 1>for the Panthers a quarterback. They don't have Teddy Bridgewater.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what bridgewater status is for this week yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I do know it's kind of up in the area

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<v Speaker 1>yet with Christian because he's on my fantasy team and

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<v Speaker 1>it's currently killing me. But Minnesota, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>stat out there's something like the last five games they

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<v Speaker 1>only allowed one rushing touchdown, so regardless of whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not McCaffrey's on the field. Uh, this Vikings defense is

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<v Speaker 1>playing much better. But both of these teams are sitting

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<v Speaker 1>at four wins going into the month of December. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them for sure is not going to have more

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<v Speaker 1>than that as they march into that that month. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is sort of last call if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make a playoff run here, if the Vikings want to

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<v Speaker 1>show that they're for real. It's so tough to win three,

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<v Speaker 1>four or five games a role in this league. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a let up at some point. Unfortunate for

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota it happened against the Cowboys at home. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can have a chance to get one back against the

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<v Speaker 1>Panthers or you're gonna be looking really far up now

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<v Speaker 1>at this NFC North as you march into those last

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<v Speaker 1>four games. Yeah, no question about it. Um. Another interesting

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<v Speaker 1>one in the a f C. We saw the Colts

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<v Speaker 1>take on the Tennessee Titans on the Thursday night before

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<v Speaker 1>the Colts then took on the Packers. Well, now the

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Indianapolis rematches here already, these two teams playing each

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<v Speaker 1>other twice in a span of three weeks. The Colts

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<v Speaker 1>get the Titans at home. Both teams are tied with

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<v Speaker 1>the best record in the a f C South, um

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<v Speaker 1>so first place in in that division is on the line,

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<v Speaker 1>and both of these teams coming off of big wins,

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<v Speaker 1>both overtime wins. As a matter of fact, because the

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Titans beat the Baltimore Ravens in overtime on a

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<v Speaker 1>Derrick Henry touchdown run. Just curious your thoughts on what

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see here in the a f C South

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<v Speaker 1>with these two heavyweights going at it. Well, I understand

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<v Speaker 1>as difficult as it was for the Packers to lose

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<v Speaker 1>that game, the real thing you have to understand from

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<v Speaker 1>the Colts perspective is they're heading into a meat grinder

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<v Speaker 1>here at the end of this season. Now again they

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<v Speaker 1>have to face the Tennessee Titans. They were able to

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<v Speaker 1>turn them back. Can you do it for the second

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<v Speaker 1>time in three weeks? You get them at home? But

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<v Speaker 1>after that you're taking out a Las Vegas Raiders team

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<v Speaker 1>that has really surprised a lot of people. They still

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<v Speaker 1>have a game in Pittsburgh coming up, and for whatever

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<v Speaker 1>reason with how this a f C got scheduled out

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<v Speaker 1>this year, uh, they face the Texans twice in three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks as well. So it's a bizarre schedule that they

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<v Speaker 1>have lined up extremely a f C self heavy. But

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of Tennessee, yeah, it's a competitive final stretch here.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have Green Bay. You do have a Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>team that's off to a pretty good start playing competitive football.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have to show that you're still the team

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody thought you were when they think everyone sort

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<v Speaker 1>of pegged them just to be able to turn back

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<v Speaker 1>the Colts two weeks ago and it didn't happen. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing if they can not only Okay, they ran the

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<v Speaker 1>ball exceptionally well against some fifty four yards whatever they

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<v Speaker 1>finished with, but they couldn't throw with a darn Can

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<v Speaker 1>you get the passing game going? That's ultimately I think

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<v Speaker 1>it gonna be the biggest indicator whether or not they

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<v Speaker 1>can come out with a victory. Yeah. One other one

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get your thoughts on before we go

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<v Speaker 1>cross conference game here. Kansas City is at Tampa Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>The Buccaneers coming off of the Monday night loss to

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<v Speaker 1>the Rams. They're now two games back in the lost

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<v Speaker 1>column to the Saints in the NFC South. But they

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<v Speaker 1>have to face the one loss Kansas City Chiefs, who

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<v Speaker 1>other than that one time this year, they just seem

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<v Speaker 1>to pull out a game. Patrick Patrick Mahomes just seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be uh, seems to be the guy you want

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<v Speaker 1>with the ball in his hands at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>any game. Um, this is a big one. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a big one for Tampa Bay because if they lose it,

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<v Speaker 1>if they pick up their fifth loss, with the way

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<v Speaker 1>the New Orleans Saints are playing and they have no

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<v Speaker 1>more games left against New Orleans, that division is almost over.

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<v Speaker 1>The division race is gonna be hard. Fortunately for them.

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<v Speaker 1>The NFC as as much of a toss up as

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<v Speaker 1>the a f C is right now for the top

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<v Speaker 1>nine spots right now in that conference, the NFC is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much sorted itself out for the most part. If

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers would be able to beat the Bears on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you basically have your top seven teams here

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<v Speaker 1>heading into December, and it's pretty well defined. That being said,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be able to win your division in

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<v Speaker 1>order to host a game. So, I mean this is

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<v Speaker 1>critical for Tampa Bay. The Buccaneers more than any other

0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.400
<v Speaker 1>team I think, and there's been a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>just seem like they ebb and flow so drastically week

0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 1>by week. They can have magnificent performances, they can have

0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.600
<v Speaker 1>massive letdowns. Well, now you're taking on not only a

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<v Speaker 1>team that is considered to be again a front runner

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<v Speaker 1>for the Super Bowl, but squad that's basically been beaten

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<v Speaker 1>once and I mean really hasn't been touched otherwise. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing how they've responded, that's gonna be really interesting. And

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<v Speaker 1>also from the a f C perspective, whether it's this

0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.919
<v Speaker 1>game you have Pittsburgh gonna be taking on Baltimore again.

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh is sitting at tennan o the quietest ten and oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've ever really seen in the NFL. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a huge game in a lot of ways

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<v Speaker 1>for Kansas City as well, to show that there's still

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<v Speaker 1>very much in this thing and they want to get

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<v Speaker 1>that one single bye here in the f C plan.

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<v Speaker 1>The loan by at the at the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs standings and in each conference will certainly be an

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting story as we get into December. But we gotta

0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 1>say it to the Cleveland Browns if they can turn

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 1>back the one win Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday, who are

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:53.719
<v Speaker 1>now going to be turning to Mike Glenn as their

0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>starting quarterback. Cleveland assures itself a non losing season. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things happening, and it's looking like looking like

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<v Speaker 1>the Browns are gonna have a legitimate shot at the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs here as long as they as long as they

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<v Speaker 1>can can take care of business against a team like

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<v Speaker 1>Jacksonville that I'm sure they believe they should beat. So well,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Thanksgiving again, ready, thank you for tuning in everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>We will sign off on this edition of Packer's Own

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<v Speaker 1>Script and be sure to follow all of our coverage

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<v Speaker 1>of the team and everything from Sunday nights big game,

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<v Speaker 1>Packers Bears at lambau Field. It'll all be for you

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<v Speaker 1>on Packers dot com for West. I'm Mike. Take care

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<v Speaker 1>and Happy Thanksgiving. We'll see you next time.