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Speaker 1: it down, man, Thank you for joining everybody. It is
Speaker 1: the week sixteen beating the book megapod and first introducing
Speaker 1: the Pillars of the show. By the way, I'm Gil
Speaker 1: Alexander Pillars of the Show down there from his mom's
Speaker 1: cork addict. He looks like he's shaved. You got a haircut?
Speaker 1: Todd wishing to have everybody the star of the showtime
Speaker 1: docuseries Action. What's happening? Totty?
Speaker 2: Neither is correct, but I'm looking up on XT I
Speaker 2: would like to watch the show while I do the show.
Speaker 2: But how do you even get it on it?
Speaker 3: Don't do don't do that, I'm sure, is tweeted, and
Speaker 3: look in your camera you're watching it.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see how you guys are doing?
Speaker 1: Uh? And then Will Hill of course uh t wishing
Speaker 1: for Todd. And then Will Hill at not the Will
Speaker 1: Hill the host.
Speaker 2: To do you see you?
Speaker 4: Oh goodness, me talking in the background while we're setting up.
Speaker 1: That's great, Will Hill at not the Will Hill. Most
Speaker 1: of these should have been more podcast what's happening at Will?
Speaker 5: What's up? Boys? How's it going?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: You know we can get Todd to stop and then
Speaker 1: our guest week sixty rotating guests. You may know him
Speaker 1: as producer number nine, so much more than a producer
Speaker 1: of a numbers game at Vson. It is let me
Speaker 1: spell this, let me read this by the lawn, Ellie Bedlin.
Speaker 1: Is that your house, Kelly? Is that where you are?
Speaker 4: Is my place? Happy to be with you find folks
Speaker 4: today on the first live megapod edition. This is so exciting.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's exciting to be invited periods.
Speaker 1: That is is that a picture of an elephant behind you?
Speaker 5: Is that the place?
Speaker 2: Women?
Speaker 4: That's from my uh from my safari days to UH
Speaker 4: South Africa and UH in Zambia?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yea, I took those pictures.
Speaker 5: Ye Is that the place? Multiple women been to that
Speaker 5: you were talking about.
Speaker 4: That's right, multiple women have been Ye, that's right. Multiple Awesome. Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: that's like from a Sofari like a dozen years ago,
Speaker 4: like I was. I was totally that person that like
Speaker 4: was like I'm going to become a photographer like a
Speaker 4: year beforehand, and like learned how to do the bare
Speaker 4: minimum and like you know, so it's all on. It's
Speaker 4: all digital these days, right, So you take a thousand
Speaker 4: freaking pictures and uh if.
Speaker 3: You turn out okay, unrelated question, just one and a
Speaker 3: half count as multiple.
Speaker 1: I said, is the half live?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Half? First, when does betting stop? As betting stopped already?
Speaker 4: What does betting stop on?
Speaker 1: What on your thing? In other words, have to have that?
Speaker 1: Has it closed already or is it still ongoing?
Speaker 4: I was still ongoing?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, uh, Todd, the grades the records please, as
Speaker 1: courts snographer. He's so happy.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I actually when when when Kelly mentioned Zambia,
Speaker 2: I had a I actually had Zambia stayed over last
Speaker 2: week and it came in Zambia. There's all the defense
Speaker 2: in Zambia we all know. Anyways, let's go to the records.
Speaker 2: The records. Everybody went one and two last week, but
Speaker 2: I had a two and a half game lead going in,
Speaker 2: so if everyone goes one and two, what happens? I
Speaker 2: still have a two and a half game lead. Gilly,
Speaker 2: our good friend, went one and two. Both him and
Speaker 2: Willy had Carolina, so that took them both down with
Speaker 2: my little announcer ship last week. So Gilly moves to
Speaker 2: twenty three twenty one and one, and we all lost
Speaker 2: our teasers on the Commanders, which I'll talk about in
Speaker 2: a moment. Gilly moves to four ten and one. Willie
Speaker 2: also had a one and two. He moves to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four and one. He is six seven and two
Speaker 2: on teasers. I again also had a one and two
Speaker 2: after that horrendous beat in the pats under with all
Speaker 2: those late touchdowns, and I moved to twenty six and nineteen.
Speaker 2: I believe I've mentioned it to two and a half
Speaker 2: game lead. I am six and nine on teasers, and
Speaker 2: the guest has matched the Gilly record at twenty three
Speaker 2: twenty one and one, also with a one and two
Speaker 2: from Ben Wilson and six and nine on teasers. So
Speaker 2: that's where we stand for the season. I think I've
Speaker 2: mentioned it before, but just in case you don't know,
Speaker 2: I have a two and a half game lead. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Ben.
Speaker 3: By the way, got keisterized with that Jags. He had
Speaker 3: Jags plus three and a half against the Jets.
Speaker 1: That was a jeez heasterization. All right, Dumbo of the Week.
Speaker 1: First of all, people want to know, Todd, is it
Speaker 1: Dumbo or dumbbell.
Speaker 2: You I'm not. I'm not strict about that. You can't
Speaker 2: call it either way.
Speaker 1: It is your podcast. It is Dumbo of the Week.
Speaker 2: I decided to show up this week. It was very
Speaker 2: nice to you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, so inappropriate.
Speaker 3: That's fifty fifteen yard penalty, the second down, brutal, first warning.
Speaker 1: I was on vacation. We have to have three separate
Speaker 1: categories because the Dumbo stuff is so widespread this week
Speaker 1: that for the first time there was category. We have
Speaker 1: to have a what did you say?
Speaker 2: There was just too much. There was just too much Dumbo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the officials get their own category. I think you
Speaker 1: already alluded to it, Todd. The New Orleans Washington finish.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable where for no reason.
Speaker 1: Skins probably probably, I can't say with one hundred percent
Speaker 1: certainty probably should have won that game by seven and
Speaker 1: crushed Washington teasers because with no timeouts left, the Saints
Speaker 1: had no timeouts left. The Saints got a first down
Speaker 1: with no timeouts left at the one yard line of Washington,
Speaker 1: and the official on the bottom of your screen walking up,
Speaker 1: you know, jogging up to the up the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: waved the clock to stop and it was about exactly
Speaker 1: three seconds and that's when Spencer Rattler spiked the ball
Speaker 1: with three seconds left in the game. So New Orleans
Speaker 1: got a touchdown on the next play. They had a
Speaker 1: two point conversion to win, which failed, which by the way,
Speaker 1: would have killed five Survivor entries in Circus Survivor, each
Speaker 1: worth what two hundred and eighty thousand dollars or something
Speaker 1: like that, So all the all the Commanders teasers went
Speaker 1: by the wayside, So that's its own category. And by
Speaker 1: the way, Kelly and I were talking about this on
Speaker 1: the Numbers game on the radio side earlier this week.
Speaker 1: What people forget about that game is Washington missed a
Speaker 1: field goal at the end of the third quarter, but
Speaker 1: the officials failed to notice that the game clock had
Speaker 1: already expired, so it was like four seconds after zero's
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh yeah, all right, it doesn't count.
Speaker 1: So they got to redo it at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, Ay and Greg Joseph made the field goal,
Speaker 1: so they were just fucking up shit every excuse me, YouTube,
Speaker 1: sorry YouTube. That's the referee category. But then there's the
Speaker 1: player category, which Jonathan Taylor has to win. Even though
Speaker 1: there were multiple of these, he was the only offensive
Speaker 1: player right ahead.
Speaker 2: Before you go on, Before you go on, But just
Speaker 2: I think you were understating here what happened in that
Speaker 2: Redskin game. Because I've lost games to earthquakes. I've lost
Speaker 2: games to every type of bad beat imaginable, and I've
Speaker 2: lost to bad This is not a bad call. This
Speaker 2: is a new category called I forgot the rules with
Speaker 2: eleven nine.
Speaker 3: Pause, pause, pause.
Speaker 2: Eight seven six. This is a new category. The ref
Speaker 2: forgot the rules. Is this what I'm select to believe
Speaker 2: by the way, I lost the game earlier this year
Speaker 2: Texas Georgia because it was no longer pass interference after
Speaker 2: they called past interference because the crowd went crazy. I've
Speaker 2: never seen them before. I've asked everyone I've ever seen before.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen them change? The call after the
Speaker 2: call was already literally announced. No one's ever seen it before.
Speaker 2: Now we have a new category refs just forgetting the rules.
Speaker 2: Now what are we supposed to believe on that? Gilly?
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the ref forget the rules? No?
Speaker 1: And and the fact that you could you saw it
Speaker 1: live like I was screaming at the TV right Love
Speaker 1: what and I'm like, what are they doing? What are
Speaker 1: they doing? And the fact that this is the thing
Speaker 1: we talked about. Will brought this up many times before too,
Speaker 1: Kelly and I did as well. Replay assists showed up
Speaker 1: in our lives out of nowhere. We never got an explanation.
Speaker 1: And somehow replay assist does not apply to that, the
Speaker 1: easiest thing you could possibly apply to Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I mean, do we do you ever question? I've
Speaker 2: never seen a ref do that before in the history
Speaker 2: of NFL. We've watched a million games. So what is that?
Speaker 3: Which is by the way, which which reef is responsible?
Speaker 3: Is there a separate ref that's responsible for the clock?
Speaker 3: That's because I saw the trans the transcript with Hockey Lee,
Speaker 3: who is the head official, saying, hey, the the clock
Speaker 3: officials stopped the clock. He made a mistake, but I
Speaker 3: don't I don't know what that means. I don't know
Speaker 3: who the clock official is. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: guys have any insight on that.
Speaker 1: Someone with smarter refereeing knowledge would know that answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was known.
Speaker 2: The running is.
Speaker 1: The bottomless as you're looking on TV, right, the guy
Speaker 1: who's right on the line of scrimmage and he's like
Speaker 1: the guy was coming down. Of course didn't stop the clock,
Speaker 1: but the guy at the bottom did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the clock operator, right, that's not the hometown clock operator.
Speaker 2: No, the the ref's waving his arms. I've never seen
Speaker 2: it before, and I'm not one of these big conspiracy
Speaker 2: theorist guys, but I mean, really, what is that like?
Speaker 2: It is very unusual that all the teasers were sitting
Speaker 2: on the one and a half number. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that that like the NFL is making orders for
Speaker 2: the teasers. I just never seen anything that ridiculous before.
Speaker 2: You know, they don't usually forget the rules. I mean,
Speaker 2: what's next, you passing, we have a horrible roughing the
Speaker 2: passer and they go ten yards of whoops. We forgot
Speaker 2: the rule. Usually it's fifteen, but we forgot this time.
Speaker 2: It's only done. Sorry, what are you talking about? You forgot?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: As long as they do it like you did it
Speaker 1: where you're like this, as long as they do it
Speaker 1: like that, I think I'll forget.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Whoopsie, I like.
Speaker 6: Jill maybe gave the best sort of explanation I've heard
Speaker 6: for it this week. But like there was people like
Speaker 6: after that being like, well, maybe he thought he was
Speaker 6: reffering a college.
Speaker 4: Game, like what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: What? What? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: What if I wanted to work every day and thought
Speaker 4: I was doing a different show, Like what that's like,
Speaker 4: that's what we're talking.
Speaker 1: About here night possible My possible explanation that Kelly's referring
Speaker 1: to was if the official thought that Bobby Wagner on
Speaker 1: the previous play laid on top of Foster Moreau of
Speaker 1: the Saints and caused the delay, maybe then he would
Speaker 1: stop the clock temporarily. But then Kelly pointed out, correctly,
Speaker 1: then don't you just throw a flag if that's the right.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that was all I looked at it, and that
Speaker 2: that wasn't part of the story.
Speaker 1: This guy's coming, You're not You're not suggesting a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: But what you are saying is that it does leave
Speaker 1: it open to conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 4: I guess it makes no damn sense.
Speaker 2: There's no we don't watched five thousand games. We've watched. No,
Speaker 2: we've watched one hundred million games. We've never seen them.
Speaker 2: Not know by the way of all the times, you know,
Speaker 2: not to stop the clock. It's at the end of
Speaker 2: the game. There's no time. Everyone knows, all the refs
Speaker 2: are going. Yeah, of course, I mean just it's mind
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: I mean gambling aside. That could have killed the skin
Speaker 1: season too, could have killed their season. It's like you know.
Speaker 3: Where the guy hits three jackpots in in de Niro
Speaker 3: saying you're either in on it or you're too stupid.
Speaker 5: No, the difference either way, you're fired.
Speaker 4: Right, that's a great like the equivalent of basketball of
Speaker 4: like a ref watching a ball go through the net
Speaker 4: and then being like out misshot, like not don't count it?
Speaker 1: Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 6: There's a completed pass the boundary of play. Like we've
Speaker 6: watched football all our lives. Everybody knows that the clock
Speaker 6: still runs there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, though, Todd, even even in doing
Speaker 1: it like not enough has been made of it, not
Speaker 1: enough has been And then there's the category, the traditional
Speaker 1: Dumbo of the week crap category, which is coaching, which, like,
Speaker 1: there are so many picks, I don't know what your
Speaker 1: favorite is. The most recent was Raheem Morris on Monday Night,
Speaker 1: where I mean Raheem Morris thing was incredible because well,
Speaker 1: first of all, there was a couple. There was a
Speaker 1: couple here, right, Raheem Morris decided on and we'll give him.
Speaker 1: I know he's a defensive coach by trade, but he
Speaker 1: used to be an offensive coach also at times. But
Speaker 1: the Falcons about say the Hawks. Falcons had the ball
Speaker 1: with two minutes left in the game, third and six,
Speaker 1: They're up six points. The Raiders have no timeouts, let none,
Speaker 1: So what do you do? You should probably run the
Speaker 1: football because that takes off forty seconds. And then even.
Speaker 2: You forgot one of the things. The Raiders don't have
Speaker 2: a functional National Football League offense as well. That's one
Speaker 2: other thing to put in there, that is correct.
Speaker 1: But even even with a non functional quarterback, right, you
Speaker 1: still play the forty seconds off the clock. And by
Speaker 1: the way, maybe you get five and a half yards
Speaker 1: and you go fourth and fourth down whatever, Nope, they
Speaker 1: decided to pass incomplete. It's fucking incredible, and the Raiders
Speaker 1: get the ball down to the thirty five yard line
Speaker 1: where Desmond ritterd does throw a pick in the end zone.
Speaker 1: But I mean, they could win the game because of that.
Speaker 1: Stupid That's just the latest. There were others during the
Speaker 1: week as well, Todd, do you.
Speaker 4: Have a.
Speaker 2: I forget? There were so many. I just I just
Speaker 2: totally like blank. There were so many.
Speaker 3: Tomlin punting down fourteen with ten minutes to go, fourth
Speaker 3: and seven from plug, that was nice story.
Speaker 5: Where was that out of the field? I want to
Speaker 5: go right.
Speaker 2: Where it was.
Speaker 1: Tomlin punting down fourteen. It was just over ten minutes
Speaker 1: left in the game. And the Steelers never saw the
Speaker 1: ball again, never saw the ball. Try to think we're
Speaker 1: probably forgetting one. Thanks were making me do the research here.
Speaker 3: Todd, you didn't like the Campbell on side kick.
Speaker 5: I didn't love it, but I had not a major
Speaker 5: issue with it.
Speaker 1: I didn't hate the Campbell on sidekick, But what it
Speaker 1: is is a continuation of my Dan Campbell theory, which
Speaker 1: is he has no fucking idea what he's doing. Like
Speaker 1: people give him all this credit for Oh Dan Campbell,
Speaker 1: Hugh Todd, by the way, I'm Dan Campbell.
Speaker 7: Look, I just want to be straight with you guys.
Speaker 7: I got I'll be able to look you guys in
Speaker 7: the eye, and I got to tell you the truth.
Speaker 2: About the oddside kick.
Speaker 7: Applebee's paid me because we're playing the Bills in an
Speaker 7: endless points ball game. They said it would be great
Speaker 7: if we could have an endless wings and endless points game,
Speaker 7: and that way we could promote I'm just being straight
Speaker 7: with you guys in here about the wings. They're endless,
Speaker 7: they're boneless, and their endless. We can get even the
Speaker 7: more endless wings and points.
Speaker 1: So that's and that's what he does with four downs, right,
Speaker 1: He's gotten the point whip.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 1: I love when team's going fourth down. I love it
Speaker 1: because analytically a lot of times it sound right and
Speaker 1: this is a great development in football. But Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: is almost trying to live up to this reputation of
Speaker 1: I gotta go for it every time because of the endling.
Speaker 1: So with the onside kick, though, it's just an extension
Speaker 1: of that, which.
Speaker 2: Is all right.
Speaker 1: I can't keep the Bills off the field, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kick an onside kick. Okay, fine, I have no
Speaker 1: problem with that. I get it. You you can't stop them.
Speaker 1: But if you did it, then the next time you
Speaker 1: came within ten, you didn't do it right. So it
Speaker 1: just again feeds into my theory of he's just kind
Speaker 1: of doing it off the fly. And I think that
Speaker 1: by the way, he did admit he regretted it, so
Speaker 1: maybe he himself was like, yeah, I got but I
Speaker 1: always say I was like, this is gonna haunt them
Speaker 1: in some game in the playoffs, and as you pointed out,
Speaker 1: will it already did last year in the NFC. Can't
Speaker 1: be right. They were like what every time they went
Speaker 1: for it, they they botched it.
Speaker 4: And I think he was.
Speaker 1: Too conservative in the first half of that NFC championship
Speaker 1: and he punted when they shouldn't have. And so ever
Speaker 1: since then he's like, I'm going for it every time
Speaker 1: and listen wing.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I went with fourth and seven from the
Speaker 3: plus forty six with ten forty to go down fourteen.
Speaker 2: My goodness. By the way, I just wanted to know
Speaker 2: what you guys think. I feel like every year in
Speaker 2: the NFL, when a team is doing amazing early season
Speaker 2: and they kind of peak too early. I feel like
Speaker 2: the Lions feel like that team to me, that team
Speaker 2: that would looked like a juggernaut and oh, the Lions
Speaker 2: are gonna win the super Bowl. The Lions of the
Speaker 2: DA DA DA Lions, Lions. We love the Lions. The
Speaker 2: Lions are amazing, and you seem to peak too early
Speaker 2: and then all the injuries come and then your whole
Speaker 2: season falls apart. It feels like that's going to happen
Speaker 2: to the Lions this year. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: guys feel the same, but that feels like that. It's
Speaker 2: the injury certainly feels possible.
Speaker 1: It's the injuries, like you can't think I think that
Speaker 1: can save them.
Speaker 3: I think if they can get the one, they can
Speaker 3: kind of catch their breath and get the buy and
Speaker 3: then you know, get two home games and then it's
Speaker 3: just such a short path to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Head you win one home game, you're home for the
Speaker 5: NFC title game.
Speaker 3: If they can get the one, they'll have a shot.
Speaker 3: If they don't get the one, I think they're dead.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're a real contendent with that defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they I feel like when we normally say that
Speaker 4: though Todd like they peaked too early. It's usually like I,
Speaker 4: I don't think they're dealing with most of those teams
Speaker 4: aren't dealing with the just epidemic of injuries now that
Speaker 4: is racking up for the for the Lions on that
Speaker 4: side of the bat. Like if that, I think that's
Speaker 4: the director reason. If we see them kind of stumble here,
Speaker 4: it's going to be on the on that defensive side,
Speaker 4: and just all the injuries racking up.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're forgetting somebody, but we've got to move on.
Speaker 1: Got to move on. Just dumbos everywhere, players, coaches, refs.
Speaker 5: All right, I have a couple.
Speaker 2: Just real quick. So the the this is what I
Speaker 2: would label the too cute for being too cute and
Speaker 2: screwing yourself, let's put it that way. I'm watching the
Speaker 2: Steelers Eagles game. It's three nothing Eagles. The Steelers can't
Speaker 2: move the ball, the Steelers can't do anything. They get
Speaker 2: a fumble. Now I'm begging the Steelers to get a
Speaker 2: touchdown to go up seven to three so I can
Speaker 2: come back and roll a gigantic bet on the Eagles,
Speaker 2: because I know there is no chance the Steelers are
Speaker 2: winning this game. Okay, the Steelers are so inept on
Speaker 2: offense now without pickings and against the Eagles that all
Speaker 2: they can muster as a field goal, so the line
Speaker 2: doesn't even come down. The d game people are getting smarter.
Speaker 2: They saw what I saw and they didn't move it
Speaker 2: down either. Really, So at that point, I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: should I play the Eagles at like minus seven there
Speaker 2: or should I play Steelers first half team total under
Speaker 2: nine and a half because I'm thinking the Steelers can't
Speaker 2: get a touchdown in the first half. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. So I take Steelers Eagles, Steelers under nine
Speaker 2: and a half team total, so a touchdown beats me,
Speaker 2: but I'm not worried about it because I don't think
Speaker 2: the Eagle. The Steelers can drive on the Eagles well,
Speaker 2: third and eight or third and goal from the eight
Speaker 2: or nine yard line and Wilson throws the fire mouth.
Speaker 2: I don't know how Fiarmuth caught the ball because the
Speaker 2: guy's hand was on the ball knocking it down somehow. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I lose the bet. I also made a bet
Speaker 2: on Eagles minus seven as well, but that didn't really
Speaker 2: ended up being a one and one when it could
Speaker 2: have been just a one to zero. Just do the
Speaker 2: smart thing. You know, the Eagles are winning this game.
Speaker 2: You don't need to get too cute. See with the
Speaker 2: team total on the Steelers and everything, you knew the
Speaker 2: Eagles were going to dominate this game. Just do that,
Speaker 2: you know. And so I turn what would have been
Speaker 2: a great winning situation. I did have the under at halftime, because,
Speaker 2: by the way, that if there's ever a case for
Speaker 2: the under of a game where it was seventeen thirteen
Speaker 2: at the half and you're thinking, well, seventeen thirteen that's
Speaker 2: a lot of points, it wasn't for real points. I
Speaker 2: mean they were both averaging like four yards of play,
Speaker 2: and I took under fifty three and a half at
Speaker 2: the half and not easily cashed. But anyways, I guess,
Speaker 2: just you know, put this one under. Don't be so
Speaker 2: cute sometimes and just do what the easy thing, and
Speaker 2: you don't have to get off fancy.
Speaker 1: I like it all right. Anybody have a best bet?
Speaker 1: On Thursday? In the football Chargers in the Broncos tonight,
Speaker 1: Chargers favored by two and a half. I believe consensus
Speaker 1: with resensus total, we had forty one earlier this morning.
Speaker 1: I know what it is right now, by the way.
Speaker 4: We can say it's mainly forty one's out there.
Speaker 1: You see the complaints on Twitter. People are upset that
Speaker 1: you guys were hackling so much on the numbers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: I associated myself.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 2: You guys.
Speaker 1: I was here, you guys.
Speaker 2: I mean, even if it's forty one, I thought it
Speaker 2: was forty one and a half. But I thought, even
Speaker 2: if it's forty one, I'll take the under forty one.
Speaker 2: The first time these two teams played was before bon
Speaker 2: Knicks really seemed to show that he could play a
Speaker 2: little bit offense. Uh, And I went back and looked
Speaker 2: at that game. It was basically the Charge the Chargers
Speaker 2: getting two long touchdown drives or i'm sorry, touchdown drive,
Speaker 2: a long field goal drive to go up ten nothing,
Speaker 2: then again another field goal drive and a fifty five
Speaker 2: yard touchdown drive to go up twenty nothing. And then
Speaker 2: at that point it was just you know, play the game.
Speaker 2: Out of the final was twenty three to sixteen, but
Speaker 2: that was not indicative. The game really was kind of
Speaker 2: dominated by the Chargers defense. I want to go under
Speaker 2: here because last week the Broncos won that game, and
Speaker 2: it was really not a Broncos win. If Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 2: I guess you mentioned it briefly, but the epidemic of
Speaker 2: not running into the end zone with the football, I
Speaker 2: don't know why that's so hard to do. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've put your whole life on the line, You've taken
Speaker 2: a zillion hits in your career, and now you finally
Speaker 2: get to the end zone and you drop the vault
Speaker 2: at the one yard. It's like something psychologically wrong there.
Speaker 2: But anyways, it would have been twenty to seven. I
Speaker 2: believe Colts if that touchdown goes and the Denver isn't
Speaker 2: gonna win that game because Denver wasn't doing anything on
Speaker 2: offense that whole game. Basically, the Colts gave them that game.
Speaker 2: I didn't was not impressed with the Denver offense, and
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe they're starting to figure out the
Speaker 2: the Peyton you know, smoking mirrors Denver offense. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was never great, but I just feel like the
Speaker 2: Chargers defense is going to be good enough to slow
Speaker 2: them down. And on the Chargers side of the ball,
Speaker 2: there's no one to throw the ball to. I don't
Speaker 2: care who you are. I don't care how athletic they are.
Speaker 2: I don't care what they look like. There's no one
Speaker 2: to throw to. Disley's hurt. The mcconkeys easy, but play easy,
Speaker 2: not playing. I don't care that even with all those guys,
Speaker 2: there's not any good guys. I mean, there's good guys,
Speaker 2: but there's no great guys. There's not enough on offense
Speaker 2: for the Chargers. And you saw Chargers could only get
Speaker 2: seventeen against Tampa. Tampa's not good on defense. That's an
Speaker 2: indictment of your offense, which we were never even I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody here was like really that excited about
Speaker 2: the Chargers offense. We just think, look, Herbert's a great talent,
Speaker 2: but there's no one to throw to. They can't really
Speaker 2: block him up real well. And now you go to
Speaker 2: the Aus Dobbins to come on, there's no offense here.
Speaker 2: The Broncos defense is their strong side of the ball.
Speaker 2: So give me the under forty one here, divisional matchup.
Speaker 2: They know each other like you know, everybody knows each other.
Speaker 2: There's not gonna be a tricks here. With fun games
Speaker 2: ending nineteen seventy under forty one of Broncos Chargers tonight.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Todd, I actually made the case for the under
Speaker 1: in this game on the radio side this morning. So
Speaker 1: I'm with you. It's not gonna be one of my bets.
Speaker 1: But you know the Herbert injury right ill. He had
Speaker 1: a two point six percent scramble rate with a clean pocket,
Speaker 1: according an Action Network, compared to just over ten percent
Speaker 1: when pressured. Broncos a good pressing they allow the lowest
Speaker 1: explosives they rate in the end. Also, Julia McLoughlin not
Speaker 1: and McLoughlin not in for Denver. Chargers are better against
Speaker 1: the past their seventh best DVOA than they are against
Speaker 1: the run, which they're sixteenth in terms of run defensive DVOA.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of stuff. And by the way,
Speaker 1: bo Nix is way worse against Zoo defenses than it's
Speaker 1: Manna man and the Chargers play zone. So I'm with you, like,
Speaker 1: it's not low enough. If anything, it's an under.
Speaker 5: This is one of my picks too. I'm on the
Speaker 5: under as well.
Speaker 1: Wow by three there okay for me, but I gotta
Speaker 1: I want to play something else.
Speaker 4: I actually think I'm gonna get involved in this game too.
Speaker 4: I know we talked about it a bit this morning.
Speaker 1: Gil.
Speaker 4: Look, it's been all Denver. I waited too long. I
Speaker 4: mean we're off the three word to two and a
Speaker 4: half's now. But I actually think this is how I'm
Speaker 4: going to, uh sort of creatively get off of my
Speaker 4: Browns position from earlier in the week and do a
Speaker 4: teaser with teasing up Broncos and teasing down the Bengal.
Speaker 4: So I think I will be involved in this. I
Speaker 4: like the Denver side everything you guys just said about.
Speaker 4: I expect this to be low scoring. Denver defense has
Speaker 4: been great. You look at what this Chargers you were
Speaker 4: talking about, Todd. I mean, this Chargers offense has fallen
Speaker 4: off a cliff too. And you're talking the past five weeks.
Speaker 4: Haven't gained over three hundred total yards in any of
Speaker 4: those games when it was looking good earlier in the
Speaker 4: earlier in the year, when you were able to run
Speaker 4: the ball a little bit more easily limited wide receivers.
Speaker 4: Going up against one of the better defenses in the NFL,
Speaker 4: I think this will be tight. I think it will
Speaker 4: be lower scoring. I would agree with the under, but
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tease up Broncos probably eight and a half.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good teaser leg this week.
Speaker 3: Just to add a few more things to the under here,
Speaker 3: I will say this, Todd, this might be a good
Speaker 3: third quarter under too, maybe even a first quarter under.
Speaker 5: The seven and a half is todd.
Speaker 3: We've had some success playing those third quarter unders where
Speaker 3: they're not trying to beat the clock to score at
Speaker 3: the end of the third quarter. But look the Chargers
Speaker 3: Hardball and Painting, for that matter, both old school coaches,
Speaker 3: both not afraid to run the ball, and Hardball probably
Speaker 3: looks at hey, my quarterbacks beat up, Let me run
Speaker 3: the ball. Payton says, hey, my quarterbacks stunt last week.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's regressing a little bit.
Speaker 5: Let me run the ball.
Speaker 3: So I think you'll see a lot of carries in
Speaker 3: this game. And I just think this is a closer,
Speaker 3: more conservative game plan. I do like the under as well,
Speaker 3: and if you do, like the Chargers to win this game.
Speaker 3: The Broncos have not clinched the playoffs spot yet. They
Speaker 3: go at Cincinnati next week. Cincinnati's got a very winnable
Speaker 3: game at home against Cleveland. It could come down to
Speaker 3: Week eighteen, where Denver has to beat Kansas City to
Speaker 3: get in or hope Pittsburgh beats since he I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a long shot, but it's not impossible. Denver is
Speaker 3: plus six to fifty to miss the playoffs.
Speaker 5: They're not out of the woods.
Speaker 1: This also per Action Network. I can't remember gentlemen's name,
Speaker 1: but I gave him a shout out today on Nick
Speaker 1: Giffen numbers game Denver, Thank you. Denver puts up just
Speaker 1: thirteen point two points per game on sixteen point three
Speaker 1: expected in five games they played against top thirteen defenses,
Speaker 1: of which the Chargers are won by the way, compared
Speaker 1: to when they play worse defenses, they outperformed that thirty
Speaker 1: points versus twenty seven point five expected points per game
Speaker 1: in the other nine games. So they're definitely a team
Speaker 1: that rises and falls based on the competition. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things for the for the young
Speaker 1: under as low ober it, there's a lot of data
Speaker 1: for that. Okay, Kelly, your first best bet, sir, well,
Speaker 1: I guess that's stretch updates. You have a sach update
Speaker 1: from Twitter is not going, YouTube is working fine, update
Speaker 1: You're update.
Speaker 4: So so if you found us on YouTube, good job
Speaker 4: standing there. Sorry for everybody scrambling on Twitter, right now, yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess I'll use that teaser, but I will go
Speaker 4: to a teaser would be my teaser.
Speaker 2: I guess for the week.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Giants Falcons under forty What are we
Speaker 4: at now? Forty two and a half.
Speaker 2: By the way, Kelly, just so you know, we're not
Speaker 2: at the teaser portion of the show yet we do
Speaker 2: the save it.
Speaker 4: I'm saving it. I'm humping the I'm saving Todd right.
Speaker 1: I don't like the shame the guests.
Speaker 2: I'm just busting Kelly's balls a little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, all I did was answer if I was
Speaker 4: involved in the Thursday night game. And now now I'm
Speaker 4: I'm hitting the I'm hitting the pause button, saving that
Speaker 4: teaser for the teaser portion. You're right, thought, Okay, all right,
Speaker 4: I gonna go yeah, Giants Falcons under forty two. I
Speaker 4: know the Giants are like, got nobody on defense right now,
Speaker 4: and they're rolling out So they're rolling out names this week.
Speaker 4: I was listening to adamtureed Off this morning talking about
Speaker 4: you're rolling out names and you like you haven't even
Speaker 4: heard of before. They will be playing in the secondary
Speaker 4: this week, but still we're talking about Drew Locke Michael
Speaker 4: Pennix Junior getting his very first start with this team
Speaker 4: like this is. I think this has got ugly game
Speaker 4: written all over it. Offensively, defensely. I don't understand how
Speaker 4: either either one of these sides is gonna put up
Speaker 4: big points unless the Falcons are just running all over
Speaker 4: New York, which they might be able to. I think
Speaker 4: under forty two and a half is a good look
Speaker 4: this week in that game.
Speaker 1: All right, Todd, you already gave one, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just interested in the fact that Penix was
Speaker 2: at Costco about to eat a hot dog, and then
Speaker 2: when he heard that he was going to be the starter,
Speaker 2: he decided he wasn't hungry, and I was wondering if
Speaker 2: I could maybe just be named the starter every week
Speaker 2: and then I wouldn't be hungry. Speaking of which, it's
Speaker 2: now been twelve days that I haven't eaten carbs. So
Speaker 2: let's not all go. You know, you know it's my
Speaker 2: favorite line, Harvey, Harvey, Harvey. Let's not stuck at each
Speaker 2: other's dicks just yet. But it you know, it is
Speaker 2: a it is a start, it's something, it's something. It's
Speaker 2: nothing great, it's nothing big, And I'm always a failure
Speaker 2: in this area of life. I've lost over under bounds
Speaker 2: six times, but it's twelve days with no carbs, which
Speaker 2: is good.
Speaker 1: How much have you lost?
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm not concerned about that, but i
Speaker 2: will tell you I've lost about nine pounds because I'm
Speaker 2: not really exercising really yet. But if I if I
Speaker 2: would have been exercising, I would have lost more. But
Speaker 2: I'm not even worried about that so much as you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want my hands in my feet to hurt
Speaker 2: from diabetes because I'm eating shit and that was starting
Speaker 2: to happen again. So you know, it's just a it's
Speaker 2: a good So if an NFL team wouldn't mind naming
Speaker 2: me the starter, so I would get not hungry right
Speaker 2: before I have, you know, a fall, that would be
Speaker 2: great too.
Speaker 4: It's hard to want to Costco not eat anything, though,
Speaker 4: Like come on, like that's Costco. You could go there
Speaker 4: and eat a whole lunch. It's fantastic.
Speaker 5: I think I've never had a Costco hot talk. Are
Speaker 5: they actually good? Are they just cheap?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: The issue is not getting the haunted though. Kelly is
Speaker 2: exactly right. What you do is you go in there,
Speaker 2: and there's like samples galore if you go at the
Speaker 2: right time and you can just pop sample after sample
Speaker 2: after sad you can literally have a whole lunch there
Speaker 2: with just going to the stand as long as you're
Speaker 2: not affairs to go back for more. And the ladies
Speaker 2: there they don't they don't shame you too badly, so
Speaker 2: it's pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just bring your own play with you, good to go.
Speaker 1: The lineup for the hot dogs in the Costco in
Speaker 1: San Francisco is way too long to deal with, way
Speaker 1: too long. You're just like, I want one, but I'm
Speaker 1: not waiting for this long.
Speaker 4: That yeah, for any on the planet, how long are
Speaker 4: you willing to wait? Like? How many people in line?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, I think if there's
Speaker 4: more than three people in a live for a hot dog,
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, I'm moving on, moving on with
Speaker 4: my life depends.
Speaker 1: By the way, how many how many uh double choungs
Speaker 1: are Penix headlines? Did you read this week? Pennix inserted
Speaker 1: into the lineup?
Speaker 3: I saw a bunch of those Pennix thrust deep into
Speaker 3: the Falcons playoffs.
Speaker 1: Fenix thrust into the lineup. There was a lot of that.
Speaker 1: There was totally a lot of that. Yeah, that's my
Speaker 1: will and you and Will have a.
Speaker 2: Pick, right, everybody's giving a pick at your turn, Gillies.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the under also in the games. Then
Speaker 1: I'll just do the snake here here, so that's gonna
Speaker 1: be one of mine.
Speaker 2: Also, you're having mic issues, Gilly for some reason. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure why.
Speaker 4: You're major delay and I think.
Speaker 2: Some really problems. Yeah, I mean you weren't early in
Speaker 2: the podcast. I would say in the last five percent
Speaker 2: of the podcast, you've been causing problems.
Speaker 1: I've been causing problems about now still plugged it and
Speaker 1: come back. I'm gonna exit and come back.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know you sound good now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh you know what it was because I was charging
Speaker 1: my laptop.
Speaker 3: You can you think you can sneak that charger by
Speaker 3: that charge or whatever charger, There's.
Speaker 4: No way that makes any technical sense whatsoe after I
Speaker 4: will make any bet right now with the other two
Speaker 4: guys on here that we have problems in the next
Speaker 4: ten minutes.
Speaker 1: As soon as I charge my laptop, Mike buzzes.
Speaker 2: Or I go in to lay you just had problems?
Speaker 2: Are you charging?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not charging. Let me just go out and
Speaker 1: come back.
Speaker 4: Yeah that might actually, that might actually work, all right,
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 2: We did one, everybody did. Yeah, it's Skilly's turn again.
Speaker 2: He's frozen three of us on the under right now,
Speaker 2: you guys, Yeah, that's not gonna go. Well, they loaded
Speaker 2: up on the over.
Speaker 3: It's too obvious turns for touchdowns to start the game.
Speaker 3: Is there a profit on that sowhere?
Speaker 2: I already know.
Speaker 1: We're totally losing it. We're totally losing alright. Number two
Speaker 1: is I'm taking the Bears. I'm taking the Bears. Real,
Speaker 1: what's the point? Yeah, I'm taking the six and a
Speaker 1: half against the Lions. It's for I mean, a lot
Speaker 1: of the reasons we said, right, it's a it's it's
Speaker 1: a spate of injuries, as you know, what's the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, choppy as Caleb's play is by the way,
Speaker 1: he's got to get rid of like he's just like
Speaker 1: it's the whirling dirty football. Just throw it, dude.
Speaker 5: I just think that the.
Speaker 1: Bears are good enough to stay within the number here.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't know what the weather is.
Speaker 1: I should probably check the weather. The colder the better,
Speaker 1: If Jared Goff still has a cold weather problem, I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: which you know, I don't know if it plagues him anymore,
Speaker 1: but the Lions are not used to playing outdoors. This
Speaker 1: used to be a bugaboo for golf early in his career.
Speaker 1: There was that famous Monday night or not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was a Monday night game in Chicago. Was
Speaker 1: like thirty two degrees and Jared Goff looks like he
Speaker 1: looked like he wanted to die out there. California, kid,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of give me the Bears plus
Speaker 1: the wind. I will have to endure it, but I'll
Speaker 1: take the Bears plus the boys. That seems like too
Speaker 1: many to me. Six and a half, which brings us
Speaker 1: to Willie for number two.
Speaker 5: This was one of mine too. I don't want to
Speaker 5: have the same card as you, so I might just switch.
Speaker 1: It up to her do it. Yeah, this is what Drew.
Speaker 1: This is what Drew was talking about though, Like all
Speaker 1: the value is on the crap teams this week for
Speaker 1: a hard week to deal with.
Speaker 2: I want to take the Browns. I'm tempted as hell
Speaker 2: to take dtr.
Speaker 1: But Kelly and I did. We both bet the Browns
Speaker 1: and I got off it as soon as because we
Speaker 1: didn't think we d TR thing was real. Why are
Speaker 1: they playing him?
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like the other quarterback likes to throw
Speaker 2: the ball to the other team.
Speaker 1: I get that, I do understand, I do understand.
Speaker 6: But he also finds his own players in the end zone,
Speaker 6: which no quarterback on the Browns has been able to
Speaker 6: do in three years or whatever. It's insane franchise because
Speaker 6: there's gonna be sewed cash strapped from everything you screwed
Speaker 6: up with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 4: You're gonna start building around d TR. Now, this is
Speaker 4: a disaster. You're just you're robbing every NFL fan, you
Speaker 4: know what, for every every one of us. It's in
Speaker 4: the content business. Anyone who likes to just watch a
Speaker 4: fun football game. Jameis Winston's great for football.
Speaker 2: He is. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Seattle plus the.
Speaker 5: Three here it's three right, no more hooks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Seattle's from last week.
Speaker 4: Textas Gilda yesterday. I guess just like you know, Patrick
Speaker 4: Mahomes and Gno Smith just fine this week. They're just fine.
Speaker 1: They're fine, just fine, They're fine. They're not human. Everything's okay.
Speaker 1: By the way, that is the most underrated thing about
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is his ability to heal is incredible, off
Speaker 1: the chart, no matter what happens. He's like, I'll play.
Speaker 4: Both of those guys. When they got up last week,
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, see it in a few weeks.
Speaker 4: Baby was like, oh no, they're they're back at practice immediately, cool,
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 5: Oh look, I.
Speaker 3: Hope Minnesota wins out and gets the one seed. I'd
Speaker 3: be very happy about that. But this win streak, I mean,
Speaker 3: they could have easily lost to Atlanta. They their defense
Speaker 3: down down was not great, Arizona out gaining by two
Speaker 3: hundred yards. And it's a lot of Tennessee and Jacksonville
Speaker 3: in here, and that's always been a house of horrores
Speaker 3: for Minnesota. Going to Seattle. Seele's got good weapons, so
Speaker 3: to me, laying points on the road with Minnesota, a
Speaker 3: team that's not used to dealing with expectations, they're probably
Speaker 3: here in all week. Hey, we're three wins away from
Speaker 3: the one seed. I don't know how that is going
Speaker 3: to register with them. And this role is a favorite
Speaker 3: all a great story. Six and a half win total,
Speaker 3: they're sitting here at twelve and two. It's amazing, but
Speaker 3: laying three on the road, I think is a bridge
Speaker 3: too far. If it's Towel, this bets a disaster. But
Speaker 3: if it's Gino, I think it's a good bet. And
Speaker 3: I do think it'll be Gino, so I'll take Willie.
Speaker 2: What about the fact that the large men that stand
Speaker 2: between the quarterback and the other team seem to forgot
Speaker 2: how to blog for the quarterback last week for Seattle?
Speaker 2: Does that give you any pause at all? Because I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe how bad the pass blocking was, whether it
Speaker 2: was Gino or Al in the game, they couldn't block
Speaker 2: the Packers. That looked like the Packers were sending fourteen guys.
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was bad. Do you like Minnesota in this game, Toddy?
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm scared to play Minnesota for the same
Speaker 2: reasons that you're talking about. But I just can't get
Speaker 2: myself to Seattle with that offensive line looked so horrendous.
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.
Speaker 4: That's been like their whole season. Though they had an
Speaker 4: offensive line, they'd be the second best team in the NFC.
Speaker 4: Probably they got everything else, Like it's the defensive couple long.
Speaker 4: The offensive weapons are great, The offensive lines but a
Speaker 4: disaster the whole year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, we'll hope you win, Willie. At this point
Speaker 2: I can root for you because you're so far back
Speaker 2: in the standings that, you know. I like to root
Speaker 2: for the bottom feeders, you know. Anyways, just Minnesota one
Speaker 2: and I lost my pick.
Speaker 3: I would to be heartbroken by the way.
Speaker 2: Okay, this one. I'm just gonna make this one based
Speaker 2: on the laundry Okay, this is a laundry pick. There's
Speaker 2: a purple team, there's a black and gold team in that,
Speaker 2: and we all knew, and the purple team and a
Speaker 2: black and gold team get together. It's gonna be hard
Speaker 2: hitting football, and at it's gonna be tight. There ain't
Speaker 2: gonna be no you know, Lions against the Rams against
Speaker 2: the Bells eight thousand points like it's what is that?
Speaker 2: That's not even play, that's arena ball. This is football.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be nineteen seventeen because that's the way these
Speaker 2: two teams play football. They play it like it was
Speaker 2: meant to be played. They go out there and they
Speaker 2: kick some ass. Okay, so give me, I mean, come on, look,
Speaker 2: I understand the Ravens are not a good team on defense,
Speaker 2: but forty five and a half in a Steeler raven game.
Speaker 4: Come on, and.
Speaker 2: The first game was eighteen six, and there's no pickings.
Speaker 2: That's slim pickings a wide receiver for the Steelers. We
Speaker 2: don't got no pickings in that. It's gonna be trouble
Speaker 2: on offense. I don't know if YenS are watching last
Speaker 2: week's ball game against Eagles. We were not good on offense, folks,
Speaker 2: regardless of whether the fact we got the ball or not.
Speaker 2: I know we only got the ball twy in the
Speaker 2: second half. The bottom line is we're not moving the
Speaker 2: ball with that. Pickens with that, and okay, we don't
Speaker 2: have him. It's a problem.
Speaker 5: One situation in Baltimore. How much is it for parking?
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you mentioned that, but I don't comment
Speaker 2: on parking and other stadiums. I only do acrosure parking
Speaker 2: and Rivers casino in that And how much you know,
Speaker 2: it's eighty to one hundred depending on the situation unless
Speaker 2: you have a black card. But that's a whole nother thing.
Speaker 2: Here's where's what I'm saying. I'm going under forty five
Speaker 2: and a half. It's a Steeler Ravens game. Get the
Speaker 2: hell out of here. It should never be forty five
Speaker 2: and a half in a Steeler Ravens game. I mean,
Speaker 2: I gave you the stats last time in the hardball
Speaker 2: game with the Steelers was like zher to ten or
Speaker 2: something with you know, three points or less. I think
Speaker 2: the line's also ridiculous, But just give me the under
Speaker 2: forty five and a half and I'll get the hell
Speaker 2: out with an easy win.
Speaker 1: Well done. People were waiting for that well done still
Speaker 1: to come. Todd getting signals into his ear and maybe
Speaker 1: in Miami Dolphins fight zone, Kelly Snake, you got to
Speaker 1: your second and third.
Speaker 4: This is uh, this is why I joined is I
Speaker 4: I wanted the Miami Dolphins fight song, right. This is
Speaker 4: why this is why I agreed to come today, is
Speaker 4: because I wanted to hear that. It's one of the
Speaker 4: greatest fight songs just in sports history.
Speaker 5: If you try to prompt him, he doesn't do it.
Speaker 5: So just just uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how like a dog, if you make
Speaker 3: a funny noise, will turn his head, but you try
Speaker 3: to get in to do it, they won't do it.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing with Tom.
Speaker 4: Am I allowed to go team total here or.
Speaker 1: Todd, can you consult the Bilogs.
Speaker 2: Please. Everyone knows that you can't go team to Okay.
Speaker 4: Fine, fine, I'll just lay the points with the Buccanteers.
Speaker 4: How about that. I'm just gonna lay the full three
Speaker 4: and a half or four. Okay, yeah, but lay four four.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be a problem anyways, because it gonna
Speaker 4: blow out the Cowboys. This offense is one of the
Speaker 4: best of the operating like one of the best of
Speaker 4: the NFL right now. With the points they're putting up,
Speaker 4: I don't think Dallas gonna be able to keep up
Speaker 4: with keep up with them at all. We saw Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush go into Carolina last week, have a great week. Congratulations.
Speaker 4: He looked okay, the week before against the Bengals, looked
Speaker 4: okay against the Giants. You're not gonna be able to
Speaker 4: keep up. I think, well offensively with what Tampa Bay
Speaker 4: is gonna be able to do. So I'll lay the
Speaker 4: full four with them on Sunday night. Oh and then
Speaker 4: my third and last let's see here, Uh this is
Speaker 4: not my teaser, correct, all right, So I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lay the three.
Speaker 2: We can go back, we can.
Speaker 4: Go three rams. The lay three with the Rams this
Speaker 4: is what I've been tribbed and battling over all week.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna lay three with the Rams here, the
Speaker 4: secondary being beat up for the Jets. What Stafford's been
Speaker 4: able to do out outside of that first half of
Speaker 4: that month soon last week has been pretty damn impressive
Speaker 4: with what this uh, with how this offense has been
Speaker 4: moving the ball up and down the field. The Jets,
Speaker 4: I honestly, I thought they were gonna be worse the
Speaker 4: past couple of weeks. They've been a little bit more
Speaker 4: competitive than they thought they were gonna be. I think
Speaker 4: a little bit of credit to Aaron Rodgers DeVante Adams
Speaker 4: were staying competitive when they easily could have just waved
Speaker 4: the white flag on this season. But defense hasn't been
Speaker 4: as good. They're getting beat up now. Rams with everything
Speaker 4: to play for still, I think we see a higher
Speaker 4: scoring game here. But I'm gonna i'll lay the three
Speaker 4: with the Rams.
Speaker 1: Who is a more loathsome human being, Aaron Rodgers or Doug.
Speaker 2: Who is this Rogers? Still he said anybody you and
Speaker 2: then they beat him.
Speaker 4: Without without having seen all of the Gottlieb stuff. I'll
Speaker 4: still confidently answer.
Speaker 1: Rogers confident uh, Toddy your last one.
Speaker 2: I have tooth possibility. You know what, I'm just gonna look,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do what I think is the
Speaker 2: obvious pick, but it's probably wrong. I got to go
Speaker 2: under forty one and a half here in this Kansas
Speaker 2: City game. You know, to me, Houston is a under
Speaker 2: team in the National Football League. Their offense does not
Speaker 2: impress me. I've somehow found a way in the Miami game.
Speaker 2: I knew it was going under, and I played the
Speaker 2: third quarter under and lost because of a fake punt
Speaker 2: and found a way to lose that one even though
Speaker 2: it was a dead under. Same thing that happened in
Speaker 2: the Chiefs game to me. So it's been really tough
Speaker 2: sledding in the NFL last two weeks. But I'll go
Speaker 2: under the forty one and a half. I mean, Mahomes
Speaker 2: is They're obviously going to be real careful with Mahomes
Speaker 2: if he's going to play. Am I wrong in saying
Speaker 2: that They're probably not going to let him run around
Speaker 2: all over the place and do his Mahomes kind of things?
Speaker 2: I would think they were going to play really conservative
Speaker 2: here with Mahomes injury, and so that means to me,
Speaker 2: you know, just a short passing even more Kansas City
Speaker 2: ball control offense, which we already see. So I think
Speaker 2: lots of Kansas City ball control offense. I still like
Speaker 2: Kansas City's defense, and I think Houston's offense stinks so
Speaker 2: and Houston's defense is not that bad. So I know
Speaker 2: this line is ridiculously low. I mean, forty one and
Speaker 2: a half in today's NFL does sound kind of low.
Speaker 2: But you know, I looked at the weather also, I
Speaker 2: believe it's going to be when I looked at it before,
Speaker 2: it's like thirty low thirties. That's not like real easy
Speaker 2: to move the ball in weather. I mean, it's not terrible,
Speaker 2: but you know, I just think that it smells like
Speaker 2: to me, like an under. I'm going to make this
Speaker 2: the underweek I got under Broncos under in the Steelers
Speaker 2: and one more under forty one and a half with
Speaker 2: the Chiefs in You know, to me, the Chiefs a
Speaker 2: great defensive type team. Now they're no longer the high
Speaker 2: flying Chiefs. We've talked about that many times, and Houston
Speaker 2: is just to me, I don't see it on offense.
Speaker 2: I really am not impressed with their offense at all.
Speaker 3: How about you read the Saturday action out a little
Speaker 3: bit more. Three college games, two NFL games. I've compared
Speaker 3: it to you know, the waiter brings the appetizers and
Speaker 3: entrees and the desertions and just kind of throws it
Speaker 3: all on the table. You don't know where to start.
Speaker 3: I wish I like these Saturday NFL games when they're
Speaker 3: kind of on their own.
Speaker 2: I think it's just a lot at once.
Speaker 1: But it's first world problems for sure.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Kelly, this morning, it's legitly look at the schedule,
Speaker 8: it's legit noon eastern to midnight of what you're going
Speaker 8: to have to be prepared to watch football if you're
Speaker 8: gonna get taken every college football playoff game and the
Speaker 8: NFL games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not mentally with you will Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: mentally Yeah, we're.
Speaker 4: Not mentally prepared.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Chiefs are thirteen and one. We did our
Speaker 1: power rankings. We don't have them top three. They're thirteen
Speaker 1: and one and could conceivably right still go fifteen and
Speaker 1: two or sixteen and one even, which would make them
Speaker 1: the number one seed. But if they would eliminate Buffalo
Speaker 1: at that point, how is Andy Reid not the Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year. Ever, like, is there a possibility he
Speaker 1: could win Coach of the Year with all the other
Speaker 1: great candidates if they go sixteen and one, you can't
Speaker 1: give it to them, then you're saying you can never
Speaker 1: give it.
Speaker 4: To It's really sad guy. So you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I've been pushing this narrative so since I mean I
Speaker 4: don't know week six. It feels like with Mahome, because
Speaker 4: the whole conversation every year with the Chiefs, it's you
Speaker 4: can't consider Andy Reid because Mahomes is gonna be in
Speaker 4: the MVP race, which makes sense except for, like now
Speaker 4: we're in this Chief's era of them having a great
Speaker 4: defense and struggling to move the ball offensively, and Andy Reid
Speaker 4: should get credit for that problem is I think it's
Speaker 4: I think with all the other great candidates out there,
Speaker 4: he's maybe drawing dead at this point.
Speaker 1: Gil.
Speaker 4: The only thing that could have helped him is if
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes missed.
Speaker 2: A game or two and they still won.
Speaker 4: And if that was the case, then he's probably skyrockets
Speaker 4: to the top of the board.
Speaker 1: So the only way he can win it is if
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes misses. Let's say two games and they still
Speaker 1: go sixteen in one, and even then people are gonna
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, but Kevin O'Connell, Dan Campbell, Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton.
Speaker 3: I think if if Mahomes missed this game, which it
Speaker 3: doesn't look like it's going to, but if Mahomes missed
Speaker 3: this game, a Saturday game, a standalone game, and he
Speaker 3: won with Wentz, I think the buzz would really.
Speaker 5: Start to ratchet up.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, doesn't look like we're gonna get That was gonna
Speaker 2: be one of my picks. I was gonna takeup win
Speaker 2: with Wentz. I thought they would they would win with Wentz.
Speaker 1: But anyways, by the way, will you touched on something
Speaker 1: there in the prime time game? This is also why
Speaker 1: And I know people think I'm I'm just talking through
Speaker 1: my bed, which I do full disclosure. I have a
Speaker 1: bet on Lamar Jackson to win MVP. Lamar Jackson of
Speaker 1: or what is it now? How many thirty four touchdown
Speaker 1: passes and three picks who like is? Apparently people think
Speaker 1: has no chance of winning MVP. He has some prime
Speaker 1: time standalone situations like if he performs great, you cannot
Speaker 1: tell me the MVP race is over there's no way
Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson plays great and he ends up with
Speaker 1: I don't know, forty two touchdown passes in four picks
Speaker 1: and let's say thousand yards rushing, it's still Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: It's just Josh Allen's been so incredible though.
Speaker 1: He has been, but I'm just saying, people minus nine
Speaker 1: hundred on Josh Allen, stop it.
Speaker 2: I think that's a little minus nine. By the way,
Speaker 2: did you guys see Gruden telling the story about him
Speaker 2: and Andy Reid. I'm trying to get their play into
Speaker 2: the into Home Grin's game plan, and he talks about
Speaker 2: it's really good. If you haven't seen it, go on
Speaker 2: Twitter and find it. It's it's it's really hysterical. It's
Speaker 2: it's basically Gruden was a was an assistant and Andy
Speaker 2: Reid was an assistant. They were trying to get Home
Speaker 2: Grin to call their play in the thing, and it's
Speaker 2: a whole it's a really funny story.
Speaker 5: But he's a great storyteller. He's a really good storyteller.
Speaker 1: Gruden is does he do it with that face?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, of course he has that face. I love
Speaker 2: Frank Caliendo is Gruden too. He's you know why, man,
Speaker 2: because I love football.
Speaker 4: I can't start watching the robo. The guy who does
Speaker 4: the robo called Chris calls with videos. I know, I
Speaker 4: can't stop. I didn't realize he did multiple of Like
Speaker 4: when the first time I got set one of them,
Speaker 4: I was like, well, this video is hilarious. So then
Speaker 4: I like figured out who the guy was or whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh wait, he's done like eighteen of these,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna watch every single one walking around the
Speaker 4: grocery store talking about it like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Jim, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Jim and Collins were was like, here's a guy, here's
Speaker 1: a guy. Oh great. The Romo thing has got ridiculous though,
Speaker 1: when the uh what was the game where it required
Speaker 1: an onside kick recovery? Oh, Detroit Buffalo, and when uh
Speaker 1: when Buffalo finally recovered that onside kick the entire time
Speaker 1: if you play that back, Romo is like Buffalo recovery
Speaker 1: so bad. That's what he's reduced to me.
Speaker 4: I gotta figure out who this guy is. Go, we gotta,
Speaker 4: but we gotta get him on this show just for
Speaker 4: like two minutes. They'll be like all you.
Speaker 1: Will your last.
Speaker 3: I am going to buck the trend here. I agree
Speaker 3: with everything Todd said about Pittsburgh Baltimore. I know these
Speaker 3: games are always close and low scoring. I'm actually gonna
Speaker 3: lay it with Baltimore. I think Pittsburgh is fake news.
Speaker 3: I think without pickings and he did not practice Wednesday,
Speaker 3: which is not a good sign for his availability on Saturday.
Speaker 3: I just don't know what offense Pittsburgh has, and I
Speaker 3: think the trend of these games are always close, always
Speaker 3: low scoring is kind of depressing this line, where this
Speaker 3: line should maybe be closer to seven. I just think
Speaker 3: Baltimore has heard forever. Hey, Lamar doesn't play well against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: You know, you guys never beat Pittsburgh when it counts.
Speaker 3: You guys never win these big games. Lamar is never
Speaker 3: good in these big games. I think Baltimore has a
Speaker 3: big effort in them. I think Pittsburgh offense has a ceiling.
Speaker 3: I think they're flawed on offense, and I think Watts
Speaker 3: banged up. There's also a couple of injuries defensively for
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh in terms of their starters guys banged up.
Speaker 5: I think Baltimore wins this game.
Speaker 3: Something like twenty seven to ten, twenty seven to thirteen.
Speaker 3: I think Baltimore actually wins.
Speaker 2: With some marginier, So I'll lay it with the Ravens
Speaker 2: minus six and a half for the thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, my last one is just a numbers plan. It's
Speaker 1: the only bed I have in my account currently, though
Speaker 1: I will add this under tonight here momentarily, I got
Speaker 1: the Skins at plus three and a half. Man, I'll
Speaker 1: take that hook. It's the it's one of the few
Speaker 1: guessing lines.
Speaker 2: Wait, has I done your research expect whether the referees
Speaker 2: know the rules of the game before the game starts.
Speaker 1: I've done that. I will check on if it's the
Speaker 1: same crew. This was on guessing lines. I guess three.
Speaker 1: I said, like disrespect, and I think it is a
Speaker 1: little bit like it should be three. I get it
Speaker 1: three and a half. All right, I'll take my chances
Speaker 1: for a franchise. And I know this is one of
Speaker 1: these things where you go back and you're like it's
Speaker 1: a different team. But for whatever reason, Philadelphia, even in
Speaker 1: this iteration with Jalen Hurts, they just have trouble with
Speaker 1: watching This is like even pre Jade. They didn't when
Speaker 1: they played earlier this year because Philly did that same
Speaker 1: thing that they do to every team, which is you
Speaker 1: play with him for about a half, maybe even like
Speaker 1: into the third quarter, and then they just wear you,
Speaker 1: which is again what they did to Pittsburgh this past
Speaker 1: week as well. But that is the game script for
Speaker 1: every Eagles game. I think the Skins played them tough.
Speaker 1: I think they may even pull off an upset. But
Speaker 1: three with the hook absolutely, that's my one.
Speaker 2: But how was the game? That was really tight game
Speaker 2: on a Thursday night, wasn't it? And then the Eagles
Speaker 2: I think the Eagles were even losing. I won on
Speaker 2: that one if I remember, because I had the Eagles
Speaker 2: and then the Eagles kind of blew it open. But
Speaker 2: it was a much closer game if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: A lot of Eagles games are that way though, right
Speaker 1: like two and acters in you're like, oh, it's nip
Speaker 1: and tuck, and then they end up winning. Like Cincinnati
Speaker 1: game was like that. They won by twenty one.
Speaker 3: Have seven points on the board that game. Remember he
Speaker 3: missed two field goals and an extra point. Elliott was
Speaker 3: terrible in that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Skins left something on the table too.
Speaker 2: We had this Yeah, wait, Gilly, did you have just
Speaker 2: to be sure that you had the Bears plus six
Speaker 2: and a half? Is that correct? Yeah? Wait, I'm hearing something.
Speaker 2: Wait I'm hearing Oh wait, yeah, wait, yes I'm here.
Speaker 2: Lions lead twenty four to twenty. The Bears are trying
Speaker 2: not to make the mistake they made on Thanksgiving Day
Speaker 2: and try to win this game. Gilly looks like he's covering.
Speaker 2: There's a guy named Gil Jim that we might have
Speaker 2: both heard of, but that has Bears plus six and
Speaker 2: a half. Okay, here back to pass when.
Speaker 4: Joe he's just saying the.
Speaker 2: Balls fumbled, Oh my god, this could be the last one.
Speaker 1: They're just must have fallen, and Jim know they're going
Speaker 1: to run it back.
Speaker 2: They're the finals gonna be thirty one to twenty. I
Speaker 2: don't believe in NFL they've usually just falling the ball now,
Speaker 2: but this guy's gonna run it all the way back and.
Speaker 1: Die. Jim is purple middic doctor on this stead so great,
Speaker 1: all right, which brings us to our teaser. Kelly, what
Speaker 1: was your teaser again? Because you said it fifty times
Speaker 1: at the beginning? What was it again?
Speaker 4: Broncos Bengels, Broncos Begels is my uro teaser? This week.
Speaker 4: Take the Broncos up to eight and a half, Bengels
Speaker 4: down to one and a half with against legendary quarterback
Speaker 4: Doory at tops and Robinson on the other side for
Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns. I like that one.
Speaker 5: Dodd.
Speaker 1: You okay, you catch your breath, all right.
Speaker 2: I have to take a moment. I have to. I
Speaker 2: have to take a moment. Why don't you guys do
Speaker 2: your teasers first.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I didn't even know what
Speaker 1: happened in the game, but I figure I lost that.
Speaker 2: What happened again, It was twenty twenty on the on
Speaker 2: the last play of the game, and the Bear was
Speaker 2: trying to get a touchdown. The Bears fumbled the ball,
Speaker 2: and usually they just fall on the ball and the
Speaker 2: game would have been over. You would have covered. But
Speaker 2: for some reason the guy decided to run it back
Speaker 2: and he lost thirty.
Speaker 1: It results significant to some will.
Speaker 3: I will use the Broncos tonight. All the reasons we
Speaker 3: talked about should be close, should be low score. I
Speaker 3: don't see anyone really getting margin, barring you'll turnovers something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: So I'll go.
Speaker 3: Broncos plus eight and a half and I'll double dip
Speaker 3: on the Ravens. I don't think they're losing this game
Speaker 3: to the Steelers. So Broncos plus eight and a half
Speaker 3: Ravens of minus a half to be Steelers.
Speaker 1: I'm on the Ravens teaser side as well, or Shizzle,
Speaker 1: and I am going to give up my card by
Speaker 1: going non longer again, and I'm gonna take the Skins
Speaker 1: plus the nine and a half forget you stand for long.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of options this week, right bro,
Speaker 3: just the morning does listen to this podcast.
Speaker 2: With you tomorrow?
Speaker 5: You're gonna be fa.
Speaker 4: You might get tomorrow.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the fact that Phasik thinks
Speaker 1: he can take you down in ten? What do you
Speaker 1: think about that?
Speaker 2: I think that here, you know a wise guy. You
Speaker 2: should talk to him about whether three and a half
Speaker 2: minus ten or minus four plum plus twenty seven is
Speaker 2: better than plus three and a half. But when he's
Speaker 2: being a tennis scout, he has not hit his best
Speaker 2: and he does not understand that he's not good and
Speaker 2: that I don't even have to play tennis to beat him.
Speaker 2: I can just slap the ball to his backhand with
Speaker 2: a little bit of spin on a low slice, and
Speaker 2: he can't do anything about it. Even at three hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty four pounds, I beat him, and that's an
Speaker 2: embarrassment to the game. You've got to be able to
Speaker 2: hit the ball back. And if a fatso can just
Speaker 2: slice the ball to your backhand and you can't get
Speaker 2: it back, how are you going to compete? I just
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 1: Oh, do you want to chime in?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: Final to question a backup fees real quick with my
Speaker 4: with the same Jamis rant. Jamis is great for the NFL,
Speaker 4: phasic is great for Twitter. Okay, just let him go
Speaker 4: about is three and a half's right? He almost blew
Speaker 4: up the whole site the other day.
Speaker 2: Jeez, he hasn't figured. I mean, there's nothing he loves
Speaker 2: more than discussing whether three and a half or four
Speaker 2: and how many sense you should take and all. It's
Speaker 2: just like it's the best and then the arguments that
Speaker 2: ensue are always good. Alsome right, I'm gonna go with uh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go yeah, we skipped me. I'm gonna I
Speaker 2: kind of want to take I kind of like the
Speaker 2: Bengals too, But I just feel snake bit by that
Speaker 2: one and a half thing last week. I guess I'll
Speaker 2: go with, uh, you know what, I'll go with the
Speaker 2: Jaguars up to eight? Is that right?
Speaker 5: Not a bad one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you doing the Jaggars? Are you doing the Jaguarars?
Speaker 2: Jaguars plus eight? Just because the Raiders. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys have been watching this football, but the
Speaker 2: Raiders offense, it's just it's hysterical. It is literally, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't understand what these guys. But Desmond Rider was terrible.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. I knew he was gonna stink
Speaker 2: in the NFL because I remember him at Cincinnati. He
Speaker 2: was a guy who would go back to bass and
Speaker 2: then just run for fifty yards. He wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be an NFL. But I remember him at the Falcons.
Speaker 2: He was. I mean, he was passable slightly. Whatever happened.
Speaker 2: Same thing with how how was not great with the Redskins,
Speaker 2: but I saw him do some nice dudes once in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: Looked like I saw Howell looked like he didn't practice.
Speaker 1: You're right, I couldn't. I couldn't believe how bad.
Speaker 2: Now, granted they weren't blocking for him either, but still,
Speaker 2: how looked like if you could line him up, he
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to complete a pass if you gave
Speaker 2: him fifty chances. That's how bad it was. I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it. And the same thing with Riddor. Ridder looks
Speaker 2: like he's regressed from his time in Atlanta, which wasn't great,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but he had some moments, you know,
Speaker 2: he looked so bad to me, it's unbelievable. So I'll
Speaker 2: take the Jaguars plus the eighth because that Raider team
Speaker 2: is just hysterical to watch. And UH, and I'll take,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'll take the uh. I'll take so tough.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the I'm gonna go with Kelly Bengals
Speaker 2: minus one and a half. I don't see dtr doing it.
Speaker 4: I love it where he said, Wait, Kelly, what you
Speaker 4: say as I say, Raiders home field gets at least
Speaker 4: like a point boost this week though with it be
Speaker 4: at Jacksonville on the road. I mean, there's telling like
Speaker 4: there's Jacksonville fans flying to Vegas for this game.
Speaker 3: If you're Jacksonville and it's the end of a dead
Speaker 3: season and you're in Vegas for the weekend, are you
Speaker 3: are you all buttoned up?
Speaker 5: Or you maybe, uh, you know, visiting delishus time. Yes,
Speaker 5: that's right.
Speaker 1: Well, now listen the uh that todd what you said
Speaker 1: there where you're like, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: watch this football one of the many great Toddisms through
Speaker 1: the year, like maybe your smartest comment because all of
Speaker 1: the weeks, all this ship that we talk about week
Speaker 1: to week is weak. This is right up with you
Speaker 1: saying by bitcoin ETFs and whatever other at the things
Speaker 1: you said in the past, But you said, we we
Speaker 1: just watch more football games and these coaches do. That's
Speaker 1: why they fuck this stuff up because they're so locked
Speaker 1: into their X as a ode, right, and they don't
Speaker 1: watch situational football like we do because we watch a
Speaker 1: billion games. I always think about that to this day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're probably right. It probably comes down to that.
Speaker 2: Well, how much time do you think these guys have
Speaker 2: time to be watching all the games? There's no way
Speaker 2: they do. No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you also say that if they gave you
Speaker 1: a year and a half, you'd be better offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: than all of them.
Speaker 2: Now, I would be, and and I think you would
Speaker 2: be also. I hate to break it to you, I
Speaker 2: mean you wouldn't be as good as me, but you
Speaker 2: could probably be a middle of the road offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: I would be an elite one.
Speaker 1: It's gilly, it's not as Why why wouldn't I be
Speaker 1: as good as you? Because you you had.
Speaker 2: You don't expect. Look, the fact that you're not at
Speaker 2: an elite elite level doesn't mean you're not elite. You
Speaker 2: could still be elite, just not elite elite. It's not
Speaker 2: your fault. But my point is his stuff is not
Speaker 2: it's not rocket science. If you watch them break down
Speaker 2: the the film, you know, and you start to understand
Speaker 2: how that all works and the language of it, you
Speaker 2: start to realize it's not rocket science. Guys. It sounds
Speaker 2: like rocket science. There's progressions, there's defensive you know, it's
Speaker 2: not rocket science. Okay, anybody like me or you, who
Speaker 2: is a very smart guy. I'm not talking about Will Hill.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about me or you. It's a whole it's
Speaker 2: not it's not a year, it's not more than a
Speaker 2: year and a half.
Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Jews versus nine, is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying? Users?
Speaker 2: None the the I'm a renounced you one second, I'm
Speaker 2: a renounced you. Put that in the.
Speaker 1: Book I do agree with you, though that they do.
Speaker 1: They do make it sound much more complicent, like that's
Speaker 1: a scissors concept right there that they just ran, which
Speaker 1: is literally two guys going like that right.
Speaker 2: The watch them talk about them.
Speaker 5: It's not.
Speaker 2: It's not rockets science. Trust me. I guarantee you. The
Speaker 2: options market and how do you be a market maker
Speaker 2: on the floor of the New York Commodity Exchange is
Speaker 2: about eight billion times more complicated than NFL coaching offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: So if I could master that, I certainly can master this,
Speaker 2: and you as well. Again, will I'm not sure. Let's
Speaker 2: leave him on WNBA commenting.
Speaker 3: I remember Terry Bradshaw saying it's not nearly as complicated
Speaker 3: as people make it seem.
Speaker 5: A guy was open. I threw it to him. That's
Speaker 5: all you need to.
Speaker 4: Know, the guild that the actual wording. You on the
Speaker 4: actual wording, though, this is like what this what I
Speaker 4: always say about like the lawyer, like like the the
Speaker 4: legally's words out there where you're just like, this word
Speaker 4: is far more complicated. They're just using it just so
Speaker 4: lawyers can use it and then make it and then
Speaker 4: get to say you have to go to law school
Speaker 4: to practice and then be able to use this kind
Speaker 4: of language. We can just go look up these words
Speaker 4: and you're like, well, you could have just substituted an
Speaker 4: easier word. So yeah, I Gill, it's a lot of that, man,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of that Kelly.
Speaker 1: Pursuant to the pursuant to what we've already discussed, not
Speaker 1: one of the things that we weren't planning. It's now
Speaker 1: time for the final two questions, that kind of.
Speaker 2: But by the way, before you do the final two questions,
Speaker 2: a guy like Andy Reid could have also worked on
Speaker 2: the option market making uh, you know floor as well.
Speaker 2: That guy's a very break and you see that's why
Speaker 2: he runs rings around the other guys, you know.
Speaker 1: But anyways, well you say that too that I had
Speaker 1: to relive his life. He should have been on Wall Street, Like,
Speaker 1: why are you bothering with this?
Speaker 2: I mean, he's so ridiculous. He's a numbers guy to
Speaker 2: the If anything, he should have been a bond trader
Speaker 2: on Wall Street. If he's just trying to maximize earnings,
Speaker 2: the football is just stupid for him to be involved with.
Speaker 2: It's just them.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know everything about that.
Speaker 2: World.
Speaker 3: But when you're in Vegas and you you know all
Speaker 3: of the in and the outs, you get free muffins
Speaker 3: at certain spots, and I don't know if the other
Speaker 3: places you get the free muffins.
Speaker 1: Also, we do have to tip our and ten dollars.
Speaker 2: Every drinks every day. Fasick has figured out how to
Speaker 2: maximize the free things you can get in Vegas better
Speaker 2: than any human being alive, including my friend Jake, who
Speaker 2: can drive the manager crazy at Starbucks for his eight
Speaker 2: dollar thing even though he's worth eight million dollars. So
Speaker 2: he has you know, he has done something that no
Speaker 2: one has. He's gone places where no one is as
Speaker 2: far as maximizing free comps.
Speaker 1: Also, also Physick, would he have if he were on
Speaker 1: Wall Street? Would he jump on Twitter just slamming other
Speaker 1: Wall Street people?
Speaker 2: Idiot Jerome Pile doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Speaker 2: This Quarner point, It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: Final two, Final two questions. Final two questions of each
Speaker 1: and every megapod since its inception as the Betting Dork
Speaker 1: over a decade ago. Question Number one, Which of the
Speaker 1: big favorites in your opinion is the most likely to lose? Outright,
Speaker 1: here are your candidates. Ravens six and a half point
Speaker 1: favorites hosting the Steelers, Bengles seven and a half point
Speaker 1: favorites hosting are Lead Brownies Lions six and a half
Speaker 1: point favorites on the road against the Bears. Bill's fourteen
Speaker 1: point favorites at home against the Patriots. God, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Falcon with Pennix eight and a half point favorites at
Speaker 1: home against the Giants. Is that the last one? That
Speaker 1: is the Latin No Green Bay? You got Monday? Fourteen
Speaker 1: point favorites at home against the Saints, which is going
Speaker 1: to be a very popular survivor pick for those who
Speaker 1: have it. Kelly likely to lose, outright, Sir.
Speaker 4: I will go with the Atlanta Falcons, because should we
Speaker 4: all be so shocked to favor rookie quarterback at his
Speaker 4: first start. Just looks like a rookie quarterback and his
Speaker 4: first start. So yeah, I'll go with that one. As
Speaker 4: bad as the Giants are, I will say Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 4: I would not be surprised if that happens.
Speaker 1: I think that's the correct answer. I'm gonna say Falcons too.
Speaker 2: I like just also because the Falcons aren't a real
Speaker 2: football team. The coach is I don't know what Raheem's doing.
Speaker 2: You know, he just doesn't have it together. He might
Speaker 2: probably a very good coach in other ways, but he
Speaker 2: just does not He does not engender confidence. I could
Speaker 2: easily see them losing.
Speaker 1: The thing is like we were talking about how the
Speaker 1: coaches do that, but like I was watching, I had
Speaker 1: Memphis in that college football bowl game the other night
Speaker 1: playing where they playing West Virginia. Yeah, just playing West Virginia.
Speaker 1: And and the kid on Memphis gets the game clinching interception.
Speaker 1: All he has to do is go down, but instead
Speaker 1: he's like, let me see if let me see if
Speaker 1: I can if there's an opening, maybe I'll go touchdown,
Speaker 1: just for gig. And of course he gets the ball
Speaker 1: knocked out, right, but they go to review, and right
Speaker 1: before he gets the ball knocked out, he goes. Finally,
Speaker 1: after like five seconds, he goes into a slide. And
Speaker 1: Kirk Morrison, the color guy, legitimately says at the end,
Speaker 1: swear to God, he goes, what that's what saved him.
Speaker 1: That guy was smart enough to go into a slide.
Speaker 2: What as I said before, the football, watching the football, coaching,
Speaker 2: the football announcing these are not your men's members, folks,
Speaker 2: these are not your men's members. But whenever that happens,
Speaker 2: I always remember the Schottenheimer against I think it was Belichick.
Speaker 2: And was it a playoff game where the same thing happened.
Speaker 2: Whether the Chargers guy intercepted it would have ended the game,
Speaker 2: but he tried to run and he fumbled the ball.
Speaker 2: Was that Schottenheimer against Belichick a long time ago? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that one because I believe it was
Speaker 2: a playoff game.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: I was the fourteen and two San Diego team and
Speaker 3: Shottenheimer got fired after that. I'm pretty sure that's the one.
Speaker 3: Twenty two thousand and seven. I actually think Atlanta wins.
Speaker 3: The Giants are just terrible. I think Pennix pounds the
Speaker 3: Giants with a big.
Speaker 5: Effort as I Gil picked up on it.
Speaker 3: Bears, I think I think the Lions could be in
Speaker 3: some trouble.
Speaker 5: Bears will give them hard time.
Speaker 2: I think silly boys.
Speaker 1: And then the last question, All right, let's say we
Speaker 1: lived in a bizarre world. You were forced to bet
Speaker 1: a side on every game this week, but you were
Speaker 1: allowed one free pass one game that you wouldn't bet
Speaker 1: with the other person's money. What is the game you want?
Speaker 2: No part of Hilly Uh.
Speaker 4: The Tennessee Titans and Indianapolis Colts have fun with that.
Speaker 4: Rest of world side total props everything. I got nothing
Speaker 4: to that kidding out.
Speaker 3: I will go And there's plenty of options here in Arizona, Carolina.
Speaker 1: Here you can oh, that's mine, that's mine. Will Arizona
Speaker 1: Carolina enjoy people figure that one out. Arizona like five
Speaker 1: point favorites on the road, Totty, one more.
Speaker 2: Question, Todd, Yeah, I don't. I don't. There's so many
Speaker 2: of these games that I don't really want to be
Speaker 2: a part of it.
Speaker 5: N to do is pick one, which is amazing.
Speaker 2: Niners and Dolphins. I don't like. Willy is mad that
Speaker 2: I didn't make him an offensive coordinator. Okay, maybe in
Speaker 2: three years when he could get you.
Speaker 1: Can make him a wide receivers coach.
Speaker 2: Look today, right now, I would put him on w
Speaker 2: NBA Countdown and making the pregame announcer to to all
Speaker 2: the you know pregame show where they're gon have Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: Kaitlyn Clark coming up at seven o'clock on k w
Speaker 2: NBA Countdown with Willie Willie.
Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about how of which you
Speaker 3: guys see the outrage over Kaitlyn Clark getting her jersey announcement.
Speaker 3: It was retired too soon and all these other players
Speaker 3: had to wait, so she should have to wait.
Speaker 5: That was the latest one wait that.
Speaker 1: You guys sent me during the show this morning.
Speaker 3: They're retiring her jersey. I guess Iowa does this really?
Speaker 3: They had some other player where they retired the year after,
Speaker 3: and look, they're not selling any tickets, so it's a
Speaker 3: way to get I think the cheapest tickets, like five
Speaker 3: hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I a wad? Why wouldn't I will retire jersey?
Speaker 1: Why do people have problems with that?
Speaker 4: Well, I think the amount of time is what I
Speaker 4: would bring up. But if we'll saying they've done this before,
Speaker 4: then yeah, then there's already press it. Who cares.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're retiring her w NBA number. They
Speaker 1: retired to Jersey at Iowa where she finished playing basketball,
Speaker 1: and change the game, like.
Speaker 5: We're gonna say, make a load of money, isn't that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh my god, more people watch. I still can't
Speaker 2: believe more people watched the w I mean the NCAA
Speaker 2: Girls Championship game, then the men's championship game. When when uh,
Speaker 2: when Purdue played Yukon last year, that that to me,
Speaker 2: that that is the most what what odds would you
Speaker 2: ever give that if I told you that the fifty
Speaker 2: years previous, would you ever say that a women's w
Speaker 2: nca game would you have a It would be impossible.
Speaker 1: That's how impactable.
Speaker 3: And you got two one seats too in the men's game.
Speaker 3: It's not like it was, uh, you know Florida Atlantic
Speaker 3: for San Diego staateis I mean you got Juggernaut Verus Juggernaut,
Speaker 3: you got Edy, got the two big men, and it
Speaker 3: was Yeah, it's incredible. I will I will venture guests
Speaker 3: that will not happen again this year. Just just a
Speaker 3: wild guess.
Speaker 1: The wild guess. And Kelly and I were talking about
Speaker 1: how the W not the WNB, the NBA ratings have plummeted,
Speaker 1: have have like been cut in half, and it's like
Speaker 1: Adam Silver's got to rob man for the game up somehow,
Speaker 1: He's got to come up with some gimmick of some
Speaker 1: kind or some limb.
Speaker 2: They have the gold Golden shooter. You get one shot
Speaker 2: worth twenty points. At the end of the game, the
Speaker 2: golden shooter that would be.
Speaker 1: You know what they you know what has been floated
Speaker 1: a blinking arm for like it counts four points when
Speaker 1: like the ark, oh Jesus or some ship.
Speaker 2: But that's even worse than there'd be even more three
Speaker 2: point shots. The problem is there's too many three point shots.
Speaker 2: Why would they want to make more three point shots?
Speaker 3: And the problem is there's a handful of problems and
Speaker 3: it's just not a fixed all. I think it's the
Speaker 3: lack of American stars. I think it's a lot. The
Speaker 3: load management was a toothpaste you can't put back, and
Speaker 3: it's a number of different things.
Speaker 1: I think you're going to replace the bron Curry and
Speaker 1: KD are getting older and they're going to retire, and
Speaker 1: you're replacing that with Jokic and Doncic and Whims. Yeh honest.
Speaker 1: So you have non Americans who are the base of
Speaker 1: the sport. Is the American sport fan down with that
Speaker 1: kind of but not really. I think we're learning the
Speaker 1: answer anyway. Yeah, he's done all we can do.
Speaker 4: I think this year. I think it's a great point
Speaker 4: on the I mean the load management stuff. I think
Speaker 4: everybody's gotten used to complaining about. But the fact that
Speaker 4: you've seen that we've now gotten to this year and
Speaker 4: you've seen the seventy six ers basically say we don't care,
Speaker 4: like we don't we don't care. You can find us whatever,
Speaker 4: do whatever, like this is the best way for us
Speaker 4: to win at the end of the day is to
Speaker 4: literally rest one of the best players in the world
Speaker 4: throughout the bulk of the regular season like that. It
Speaker 4: wills right from that stand point is we've hit a
Speaker 4: point with load management where there's there's no going back.
Speaker 4: If teams are they don't care about whatever you're going
Speaker 4: to find or do to them, It doesn't matter. For
Speaker 4: the Sixers, I would argue that is the single worst
Speaker 4: that's above all because again not to sound like I'm
Speaker 4: a thousand years old Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: Look at his career stats. That dude played eighty two
Speaker 1: games every fucking year. Well, even Kobe.
Speaker 3: Why they were not talking Jerry West fifty years ago,
Speaker 3: were talking Kobe like eight years ago.
Speaker 5: Kobe was the same way. If he was healthy, he
Speaker 5: was playing.
Speaker 1: So why these guys has the game changed so much?
Speaker 1: And their counter argument is, yes, the way the basketball
Speaker 1: is played. Now, if you track how much they're actually
Speaker 1: moving on a basketball court, it is exponentially more than
Speaker 1: those guys did. The fans are never going to buy that.
Speaker 1: The fans are just going to be like, you literally
Speaker 1: are not showing up for games. I bought tickets to
Speaker 1: this game and you're not playing. And on Twitter perfectly
Speaker 1: this morning. If fans don't think you care, damn sure,
Speaker 1: we're not going to care.
Speaker 2: You know that's the worst. But why would you care?
Speaker 2: Why would you care if you made eight gazillion dollars
Speaker 2: right like they all talk about, oh, we want to
Speaker 2: win a championship. Come on, you make eight gazillion dollars.
Speaker 2: You're busy trying not to get babies dadd eat every
Speaker 2: five minutes from these crazy ladies that are probably coming
Speaker 2: after you. You're trying to hope that your house doesn't
Speaker 2: get robbed half the time. I mean, it's not probably
Speaker 2: an easy life for these guys. They're freaking targets, these
Speaker 2: these twenty three. They don't know what the hell they're doing.
Speaker 2: So anyways, enough of me, whoa whoa.
Speaker 4: Whoa wa players go on the road for games. Does
Speaker 4: anybody know about this? The burglars are just picking up
Speaker 4: on this now.
Speaker 2: How many? How many swimsuit models are there to secure
Speaker 2: your houses? I know Joe Burrow has a swimsuit model,
Speaker 2: but they don't all have swimsuit models.
Speaker 1: All right, before YouTube loves us anymore? Sorry about the
Speaker 1: X problem. Good luck for Will Hill and Todd Wish
Speaker 1: to have the pillag Kelly, thank you for doing it, man,
Speaker 1: appreciate it as always. Billy Bidley, by the way, and
Speaker 1: great grooming. We probably should say that more.
Speaker 4: All great now it's actually been bothering me to he
Speaker 4: needs a brushing, heeds a brushing.
Speaker 5: You know what's great? Groom good Michael Panics, very very
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Speaker 1: Todd wishev at t wish neev By the way, Todd,
Speaker 1: are you signing people for your college basketball? Yes or no?
Speaker 2: I'm lazy, Yes or no, Dude, yes or no. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I have time to do it and I put them
Speaker 2: in a little bit.
Speaker 9: Not always, sorry, but Anyways, you didn't miss anything because
Speaker 9: I had a sixteen and four on Saturday, and since
Speaker 9: then I was horrible Yesterday I could win a bet
Speaker 9: if my life depended on all the ground door through.
Speaker 1: Good luck with all your bets Week sixty and then
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