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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for the first episode of

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Speaker 1: season two of Rings of Power. Hello, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jason Concepcion and.

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Speaker 2: My name is ersday Night.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming you from iHeart podcast will bring you two mythrill

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Speaker 1: packed episodes every week Tuesday at Thursday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we're recapping Rings of Palus season two,

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Speaker 2: episode one, and then we have an interview with executive

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Speaker 2: producing director Charlotte Bradstrom.

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Speaker 1: Episode one, season two Rings of Power. We open in

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Speaker 1: the past with a flashback forward with at the dawn

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Speaker 1: of the second age, we meet a handsome, dashing, dashing

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Speaker 1: young Souron. Souron is making his pitch Saron, played by

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Speaker 1: Slow Horses Jack Lowden. He's making his pitch to the Orcs, saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: make me your leader. I will deliver to you the

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Speaker 1: power of the unseen and I will elevate the Orcs

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Speaker 1: to the dominating force over all of Middle Earth.

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Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with this, nothing?

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Speaker 1: Don't you love what I'm saying? Now? A lot of

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Speaker 1: are gonna die, That's the fine print. And when he

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Speaker 1: says this, all the Orcs are there's like grumbling in

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Speaker 1: the hall. But you know, small price to pay, considering

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Speaker 1: that the Elves and the men all reject you. The

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Speaker 1: Dwarfs all reject the Orcs anyway, and now you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to rule over them. But the Orcs say no,

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Speaker 1: and they say no in dramatic fashion because Adar new

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Speaker 1: actor yes now played this season by by Sam Hazeldean,

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Speaker 1: makes like he's gonna crown Soaron with Sarn's iconic helmet

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Speaker 2: Like very if you were feeling like, oh, the first

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Speaker 2: season didn't have enough action, I want to see more

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Speaker 2: crazy gory stuff, well, he absolutely decimates Suron with this

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Speaker 1: The rest of the Orcs all pitch in. They're stabbing

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Speaker 1: really really make sure he's dead, and then finally they

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Speaker 1: he's fucking dead. His blood, his black blood, seeps deep

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Speaker 1: into the ground, down into the cracks the you know,

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Speaker 1: and by the time we see Sarn again, like in

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Speaker 1: the form of Halbrand. He looks like just a kai.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Vickers, you're back, You're looking great.

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Speaker 1: Sarn runs into some refugees who are fleeing orchtacts, and

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Speaker 1: They end up on a ship across the sea. What

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Speaker 1: then there's the sea serpent attacks and Sarn manages to

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Speaker 1: That's how he meets Galadriel. In season one, we go

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Speaker 1: to the present, Elrond and Galadriel are racing back to

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Speaker 1: Lyndon because Elrond cannot wait to tell Hiking Gilgilad how

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Speaker 2: On you, you are inim oh trouble.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Galadriel is like reaching for the rings on on

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Speaker 1: Elrond's belt, trying to get the rings off of them.

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Speaker 1: What's going on here? They end up in front of

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Speaker 1: Gilgilad and Gladuel admits, like, okay, so, Hiking Gilglad, remember

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Speaker 1: that guy that I brought helped make those rings here

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Speaker 1: and then over to over to a region to meet Kelbrimbor,

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Speaker 2: I think if you have, it's gonna be bad.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should do that. And Gilgila is like, no,

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Speaker 1: and it's that power of the unseen world that you

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Speaker 1: you've heard about this. At Our, set me free, and

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Speaker 1: I'll go to the Elves because like I know them,

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Speaker 1: Sarahn's back? He's fucking that I fucked him up. He's

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Speaker 1: So they eat the bugs. ADARs torturers, you know, are

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Speaker 2: And James Bond style in casino morale. He's getting it.

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Speaker 1: He's really getting it all the way. They're threatening him

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Speaker 1: Always got a line for everyone, Like he's gonna know

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Speaker 1: in Lindon, Elrond is on the run from the law.

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Speaker 1: He's running here, he's running there, and he ends up

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Speaker 1: hunting Sourn this whole time. You're the one who's like

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Speaker 1: Is that okay with you? Now's like, yeah, we gotta.

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Speaker 2: Do It's like it's actually gonna probably be worse if

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Speaker 1: I have to say, give everyone and give everyone, and

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Speaker 1: in review with Rings of Powers director at EP Charlotte Branstrom.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for that. Yeah. Charlotte Branstrom is a film

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Speaker 1: and television director with the resume that includes some wonderful

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Speaker 1: recent works including The Witcher Showgun, Outlander, and of course

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Speaker 1: Rings of Power season one and two. She currently serves

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Speaker 1: as the executive producing director on Rings of Power season two,

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Speaker 1: as well as directing four episodes of the season. Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. It's very excited

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Speaker 4: the part of this show. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. Tell us about this title

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Speaker 1: executive producing director for those of us who are, you know,

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Speaker 1: not superversed in TV and film production, what does that entail.

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Speaker 3: In tail that you around all the time, It's like

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Speaker 3: you're very focused obviously on your own episodes, and then

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Speaker 3: you try to help the new director the people joining

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Speaker 3: the show to get more familiar because it's a very

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Speaker 3: special show that has a lot of VFX, has a

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Speaker 3: lot of locations, has a lot of different worlds, a

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Speaker 3: lot of world building, a lot of characters, a lot

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Speaker 3: of code names. Because nobody is ever called by their

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Speaker 3: real names.

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Speaker 5: You have to remember all the code names.

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Speaker 3: And so so it's just to make it even simpler.

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Speaker 3: And if the actors comment stay in a hotel, they're

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Speaker 3: even a third name sometimes, so there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: different names.

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Speaker 4: And no, and it's really it's and then you're around

456
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Speaker 4: all the time.

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Speaker 3: You keep an eye but I mean, I'm not obviously

458
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Speaker 3: the only producer.

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Speaker 4: I've been working very closely.

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Speaker 3: With the shore owners and Lindsey Weber, and that's a

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Speaker 3: very close knit group and they are actually very collaborative,

462
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Speaker 3: amazing to work with, very passionate, and it's been Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's been incredible and incredible experience, but it's been I mean,

464
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Speaker 3: just amazing to be part of it. But I was

465
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Speaker 3: actually part of the first season as well. I did

466
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Speaker 3: two episodes in New Zealand and then when everything was

467
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Speaker 3: moved to London, they asked me to come back and

468
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Speaker 3: to do this.

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Speaker 2: What has that transition been like from shooting in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: which I think is where people think about Lord of

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Speaker 2: the Rings as being set. What's it been like transitioning

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Speaker 2: to London and kind of reimagining Rings of Power in

473
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Speaker 2: that space and keeping that that visual continuity.

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Speaker 3: I mean we obviously they shift a lot of sets

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Speaker 3: from New Zealand too, and then there's are different stories,

476
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Speaker 3: so you needed new sets, new locations, a new look.

477
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Speaker 4: We've been out, I mean we've been out in.

478
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Speaker 3: The forest lots, in the mud lots, so you have

479
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Speaker 3: as much mud in New Zealand as you do in

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Speaker 3: England and and and.

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Speaker 4: You. I mean we were out in within the Great Park.

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Speaker 3: So because it's a whole new season, we also wanted

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Speaker 3: to make it a bit darker, a bit greater, a

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Speaker 3: bit more authentic we could.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we could obviously have done all this in

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Speaker 5: New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: So but I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think it's it's It was actually a good thing

489
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Speaker 3: because it opened up the world and we also were

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Speaker 3: able to travel to other locations. We have like a

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Speaker 3: big desert also, so we were able to I mean Europe.

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Speaker 3: When you're in England, Europe is very close, so you

493
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Speaker 3: have a lot of different countries, a lot of different

494
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Speaker 3: places you can go to.

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Speaker 5: I mean New Zealand was a very special.

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Speaker 3: Time back then also because we were in the middle

497
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Speaker 3: of lockdown, so we really couldn't leave New Zealand, so

498
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Speaker 3: we had to do everything there and so that was

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Speaker 3: also a different experience.

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Speaker 1: It's we opened the season season two meeting a young

501
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Speaker 1: Suron who's it's so interesting to see him at the

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Speaker 1: stage because his ambitions are clearly as big as they've

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Speaker 1: ever been, but his grasp is not as strong as

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Speaker 1: his reach certainly tell us about this version of Saron.

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Speaker 3: It's been very interesting because we have obviously gone back

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Speaker 3: a lot in the past, and it's really a young Soren.

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Speaker 3: It really shows where he comes from. It goes into

508
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Speaker 3: his character, it goes into his history, and you realize

509
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Speaker 3: that what was really interesting about the characters that JD

510
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Speaker 3: and Patrick written is that they all have their reasons.

511
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Speaker 3: Nobody is entirely black and white. They all have I

512
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Speaker 3: mean you, I mean obviously Sarah will eventually not be

513
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Speaker 3: a good person, I mean very dark.

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Speaker 4: He also thinks he's doing it for the good reasons.

515
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Speaker 3: He thinks he's coming to the earths, so he's coming

516
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Speaker 3: to him and they all had a reason to be

517
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Speaker 3: so you can identify at some point, even the even moments,

518
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Speaker 3: you can almost feel sorry for him. And I feel

519
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Speaker 3: like the beginning, we're going back and we're reconnecting all

520
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Speaker 3: the dots and things that maybe we're not explaining season one.

521
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Speaker 3: And because the setup has already done, it's been much

522
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Speaker 3: easier to get into the characters to make it more dramatic,

523
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Speaker 3: to make it darker, but also to make it more

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Speaker 3: to have more drama in it, to make it stronger dramatically,

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Speaker 3: and that's been been fun. But I think that yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 3: and it'd be going back also with a relationship between

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Speaker 3: Sorn and Ador, and we're explaining a lot of the past.

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Speaker 3: And I think the beginning is you've seen the first

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Speaker 3: episode obviously, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I was I was gonna ask

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Speaker 2: you about that, Like the beginning sets up this much darker,

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Speaker 2: more violent own that you kind of hinted out, So

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Speaker 2: could you talk a little bit about that kind of

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Speaker 2: let's call it a non coronation of Souron. Could you

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Speaker 2: talk about why it was important to start there and

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Speaker 2: show this kind of moment that will set off so

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Speaker 2: many events in the series.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a very important beginning because the whole

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Speaker 6: second season is really about Sore in spite to take

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Speaker 6: over Middlers and about fight with Adar with everybody, but

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Speaker 6: it's really.

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Speaker 3: Very much about Ron Soren and he's and he's obviously

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Speaker 3: going to I mean, it's going to continue throughout season

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Speaker 3: to seasons, so we wanted to create make him real

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Speaker 3: feel that he was also a person.

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Speaker 4: If you're only a bad guy, if you only.

547
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Speaker 3: Like this very stereotype as just a bad person, you

548
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Speaker 3: don't really care. It goes very quickly. But if you

549
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Speaker 3: care about. I mean, I think that you almost feel

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Speaker 3: sorry for him in the beginning of what happens to

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Speaker 3: him in that very first scene with the Orcs, and

552
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Speaker 3: you understand what's going on between him and a door,

553
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Speaker 3: and it's going to get much more interesting towards the end.

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Speaker 3: We have two very strong episodes at the very end,

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Speaker 3: episodes seven and eight. Yeah, and at the end what's

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Speaker 3: happening between the two of them is going to be

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Speaker 3: very exciting to watch.

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Speaker 1: I think when you get a script like the season

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Speaker 1: premiere of season two Rings of Power, that opens with

560
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Speaker 1: this wonderful set piece and then this that flows into

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Speaker 1: this kind of galloping action scene on horseback, what are

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Speaker 1: the things that leap out to you in terms that

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Speaker 1: will drive your approach towards directing this episode.

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Speaker 3: I think I have always had the same approach. I mean,

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Speaker 3: whether I do Rings of Power, which is obviously not

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Speaker 3: the same budget as if I do a small series

567
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Speaker 3: in Sweden, but when my approach to everything is perspective

568
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Speaker 3: and point of view and character, so that makes it

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Speaker 3: somehow easy.

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Speaker 4: To do in a way, I mean.

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Speaker 3: To direct, because I right now I just decide who

572
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Speaker 3: scene it is, what story I'm telling and that sort

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Speaker 3: of tells me unconsciously where to put the camera on,

574
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Speaker 3: how to shoot it, and how I want to say it.

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Speaker 3: So it's always I always feel like everything needs to

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Speaker 3: be emotional, emotional, and I'm really saying emotionally motivated. You

577
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Speaker 3: need to understand why people are doing it. And that's

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Speaker 3: why I felt that Storm was so well written in

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Speaker 3: season two here in the beginning, because you can really

580
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Speaker 3: get into his head. You understand even though you don't agree.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of people in life that

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Speaker 3: we don't agree with, but we do understand why they're

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Speaker 3: doing it.

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Speaker 4: And there was this.

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Speaker 3: There was this French movie by Jean Renoirs, The Rules

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Speaker 3: of the Game, and there is a line there that's

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Speaker 3: very important. Whether he always said everybody has the reasons

588
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Speaker 3: in life, so everybody has their agenda and it's true

589
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Speaker 3: and it's.

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Speaker 5: Always that way.

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Speaker 3: So that's sort of my my approach to directing. So

592
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Speaker 3: it's it's even though it's a big scene, it's violence.

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Speaker 3: He has action, and I think it has also a perspective,

594
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 3: dramatic perspective, and you know with whom you are you following,

595
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Speaker 3: you know which characters to follow, and that helps you

596
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Speaker 3: do get into the story to be more to be

597
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Speaker 3: drawn into it. And I often say, but I mean

598
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Speaker 3: I did that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you.

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Speaker 3: Look into my episodes that I did last year or

601
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Speaker 3: my Showgun for that sake episode, I always start with

602
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Speaker 3: very tight shots, like an insert or close up of somebody,

603
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Speaker 3: because I feel like you're starting that way.

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Speaker 5: With the characters and not with a geographic location.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, obviously the first scene that you've seen

606
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Speaker 3: in Lord Rings Speak would have started by the exterior

607
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Speaker 3: and have shown where they are. But that was not

608
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Speaker 3: so interesting. I think it was it was starting on

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Speaker 3: something close off something, starting tight on something was more interesting.

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Speaker 2: You kind of mentioned like the shows you made, You

611
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Speaker 2: made stuff like you know, Woland, the Conspiracy of Silence,

612
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Speaker 2: like these shows in Sweden that, like you say, they're

613
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Speaker 2: very different to a massive prestige like Shogun or Rings

614
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Speaker 2: of Power. But do you feel like they gave you

615
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Speaker 2: a kind of secret different way of approaching prestige TV.

616
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Speaker 2: Were there are lessons that you learned from them that

617
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Speaker 2: you took over to making these bigger shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I think from the Scanninavian shows, the lessons that I

620
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Speaker 3: learned was really everything is about character. And that's always true.

621
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Speaker 3: That's everything in literature is true everywhere. If you if

622
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Speaker 3: the characters draws you into a story, into a series,

623
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Speaker 3: into shun you, you were a winner. You can't lose

624
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Speaker 3: because you're wisdom. And if you manage to be wisdom

625
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: and to agree with them, to understand them and to

626
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Speaker 3: root for them. There was I mean that there was

627
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Speaker 3: a time when everybody said, Hollywood, you have to have

628
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Speaker 3: a character that's sympathetic.

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Speaker 4: It's not necessary.

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Speaker 3: You can have a really nasty, angry I mean, look

631
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Speaker 3: at the first season on Narcos, you sort of agree

632
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Speaker 3: with I mean, you really don't want Escobar to die.

633
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Speaker 4: In the end because it's so good.

634
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you love you.

635
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Speaker 3: Love him because of his love with his children and

636
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: the way he treats his family. And I mean there

637
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: are very sympathetic sights to him and and and if

638
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Speaker 3: you're only show in the darkness only you can get

639
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Speaker 3: into stories. So I feel like that's what I really

640
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Speaker 3: learned from Scandinavia.

641
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: And then here in America, come into America.

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Speaker 3: I think what I've learned the most was to visual

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Speaker 3: to I mean, to all the various visual styles to

644
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Speaker 3: tell a story. Because obviously we are limited in Sweden

645
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 3: or Europe budget wise, so here you have more money,

646
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: more time, and you and you work with also so

647
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: many different very talented people filmmakers, I mean, dps and

648
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Speaker 3: production designers, so that each time you do something, whether

649
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Speaker 3: it's episodic or pilots, you're learning something from the people

650
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: you work with. And one show I loved doing was

651
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: actually one episode that did that was very visualized, so

652
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: I saw was called The Outsider that I did for

653
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: Jason Bateman, because that was something that they had a

654
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: very special way of shooting that and are still using

655
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: things I learned on that show in orderings, like the

656
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: use of v like slowing down some scenes not to

657
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: not to not told slow.

658
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 4: Moy will be.

659
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: Shooting thirty three frames or the two frames a second

660
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: to add tension.

661
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 5: And I've done a lot of that in orderings.

662
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: I don't think that people see it necessarily everywhere, but

663
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: that's something that but that's you're feeling, your unconscious feeling

664
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: you get out of it. So it's very technical, but

665
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: you do that. And then it also has to do

666
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: with framing. You very often put people to the I mean,

667
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: to add tension, you do what you call you know,

668
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: I mean near sight.

669
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 4: I mean you put people.

670
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: On when they look to the left, you put them

671
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: on the left side of the frame, and that creates

672
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: also a different feeling for the audience.

673
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: And all this is unconscious, but it's important to know.

674
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: Is like it's like learning to spell when you're write right,

675
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: It's like this, it's the spelling of our medium.

676
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: Rings of Power is notable also for some of the

677
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: wonderful set piece action which have taken place in your episodes,

678
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: episodes that you've directed. How do you approach these really

679
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: complex action scenes that happen within this really resonant emotional

680
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: story again.

681
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 3: The same way I think. First, I try to see

682
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: I try to find a different way for the characters

683
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: to fight, so they don't all fight the same way.

684
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: I think even an action scene has a lot.

685
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 4: Of performance and performance in it.

686
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: They need to so I speak to the stunt people.

687
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: We do a lot of rehearsals. They prepare what they

688
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: call the previous formats. I come in, I look at it,

689
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: and then I come in and I make changes. And

690
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: all the changes I do usually have to do with

691
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: making sure that nobody fights the same way to make

692
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 3: it very specific, very different, but otherwise it's it's very

693
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 3: I mean, there is a.

694
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: Method to it.

695
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: It's like you you you read the scene, you meet

696
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: with stunts, you explain what you want. They go up

697
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: and they do previous which is they rehearse stunts and

698
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: then with their stunt people, and then they show it

699
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: to you.

700
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 5: And then I look at.

701
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: It with a sureness, and we make sure we all

702
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: agree to the way the scene looks at what it's

703
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: saying to us.

704
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 4: We make changes.

705
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: Usually we take we bring it down to make it

706
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: more personal, to make it different, and and and then

707
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: we put in the actors instead and we rehearse with them.

708
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: And then on the day we sort of ready to

709
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: come and we've seen it's ready to be shot. It's

710
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: been rehearsed a lot. I do sometimes storyboard, not all

711
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: the time, because I feel storyboards tend to change. But

712
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: I think when we have a lot of VFX, that's

713
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: very important because there's the best way to playing to

714
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: everybody what you're looking for, even though it does change

715
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 3: evolve as you go along.

716
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: Something we've kind of talked about Souron and that story

717
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: that we're going to see, but something that I think

718
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: is really interesting and adds to that kind of complexity

719
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: of character. Is this season is going to deal with

720
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: Galadriel's like huge mistake and this kind of deep, deep

721
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: guilt that she has. So could you talk about kind

722
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: of approaching her character from last season, you know, she's

723
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: looking like the hero, the one who will do anything,

724
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: and to this season she has to take accountability and

725
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: kind of live with what she has bought to middle life.

726
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough for her.

727
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: We we did with her is that we went through

728
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: all the scripts and we talked about her characters. So

729
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: obviously we decided where she was supposed to be more

730
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: vulnerable where I mean.

731
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: We planned ahead a lot. And then maybe Morphi.

732
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: Is a very intelligent actress, so she brings a lot

733
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: when she to the table.

734
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 4: When she comes so you sit done with.

735
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: Her, she has her opinion and she has a really

736
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 3: she has an incredible instinct morphied. So if Morphi doesn't

737
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: feel comfortable with something, that means that it's not going

738
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: to work. And but overall, we went through all the

739
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: scripts with her. We talked through the scenes, so we

740
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: read through them. We spoke about her motivation, how she

741
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: felt here and there, and it was great for her

742
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: because I think that for her it was easy for her,

743
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 3: easier for her to do because again, it's so easier,

744
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: it's so much more easy. It's so much easier to

745
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: come into the second season when everything's been set. You

746
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: know what people like, you know what people don't like.

747
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: You try to do your best, but you have references,

748
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: so you actually we could compare to what's been done before,

749
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: and we also came from somewhere. It was easy to

750
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 3: I mean, it was good to adapt with her. But

751
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: she's an incredible actress and she has Wait until you

752
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 3: see what she's doing at the end in episode eight,

753
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: she was just absolutely correct what she has an incredible

754
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: scene there.

755
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Returning to Saraen for a moment, you mentioned the forging

756
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: connections with characters who are not quote unquote sympathetic, and

757
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: I think one of the wonderful example of Pablo Escobart.

758
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: What that said to me was, you know what, I

759
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: connected with Pablo because he just loved what he was doing.

760
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: He's just passionately, he enjoyed it. It's wonderful to watch

761
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: someone enjoy what they're doing. And I think there's that

762
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: element with Sauron where he he loves what he's doing.

763
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: There's a gleefulness. He believes in it so deeply. I

764
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: wonder if you could just talk a little bit more

765
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: about that aspect of Sarah's character.

766
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that his start was casting.

767
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: I think that, Yeah, I mean, I'm not responsible for that.

768
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: I think it's it's really really I think it's credit

769
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: to the Shorteners and to Jay Bayona who did the

770
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: first episode. I think he saw it and they saw

771
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: it who Charlie could actually be. And it wasn't easy.

772
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 4: You meet Charlie in life.

773
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: He's so normal and so.

774
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 4: And that's what's so smart.

775
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: Charlie is just like an interniable person. And then when

776
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: he becomes Soron, he has these looks, he has these more.

777
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: Nuances to his character.

778
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: He has a way of getting evil out of him.

779
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, it's it's very impressive what he's

780
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: what he's doing. So I feel like it's really to.

781
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 5: Do with with I mean.

782
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: Seorn was casting, and then Sorn does believe. I mean,

783
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: as you said, as Escoboard believes in his calls. And

784
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 3: also I love the fact the way he treats because

785
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 3: Sorn live. I mean, he I think he's even really

786
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: loves Gaaladrian and you see that at the very end

787
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: he would wish he could get her back, you can see.

788
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: But he he has feelings, he has something. There is there,

789
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 3: there there is something, and then he goes crazy about

790
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: the rings. And as you're saying, it's about passion, it's

791
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: definitely about passion about following him.

792
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: But I think that people.

793
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: Are going to I mean, you go back and forth

794
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: about him. But when he arrives, as in the beginning,

795
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: as when you see another side of him in the

796
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: very beginning, when he goes and he's beaten up and everything,

797
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: I think that you you actually feel sorry for him

798
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: at moments, and he has and we always like I mean,

799
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he's very charismatic to Charlie in the work.

800
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's incredible in it.

801
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: So so the fact also to be so charismatic you

802
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: you sort of he grabs you and and I.

803
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: Can't say to him, I don't want to.

804
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: We want to say that there's a lot of life

805
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 3: to say. I'm trying to think as I'm saying, how

806
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: much I can't say so because there is a lot

807
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: of spoilers to come. I mean, there is a lot

808
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: all I can say that there is so much that's

809
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: going to happen. We saw on in the I mean

810
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: towards the end, and he's going to have some incredible

811
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: scenes with Calibrin Boroughs.

812
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: There are our favorite, our favorite, our favorite Calibri Bar.

813
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: So they're going to be such strong scenes.

814
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 5: So I mean, I can't talk about them.

815
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for yes, we can't wait

816
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: to continue to watch season two. Thank you so much

817
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: for joining us. I wanted to ask the final question

818
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: before you go. You've had such a again, a really

819
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: amazing and storied career in TV and film. When you

820
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 1: sit down to just watch television or watch a movie,

821
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: do you turn that professional side of your brain off?

822
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: How do you? How does one like yourself watch a

823
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: film or watch a television program.

824
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 5: It's very simple.

825
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: If I watch a really good series of film, it

826
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 3: gets turned off automatically because I just get grabbed by

827
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: the film and I forget everything else and I get

828
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: into it.

829
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 4: But then if I watch something that I.

830
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: Find is pretty bad, I actually did my brain, the

831
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 3: professor brain comes back and I said.

832
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: Wow, well what could I have done here? It was

833
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 5: it worth doing?

834
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: And why?

835
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: Why is so?

836
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 3: Then I become analyzing everything, so that keeps me actually busy,

837
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: so I can actually see it through a really boring film.

838
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: Just.

839
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: Wondering what I could have been done better and why

840
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: is it this way? Because sometimes everything is worth making.

841
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 4: It just depends how.

842
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: You made it.

843
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: What's something that's grabbed you recently where you were able

844
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: to just turn it off?

845
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 4: What grabbed me recently?

846
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 5: I mean Oppenheimer, No, I love the Primer.

847
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 4: I've been a lot to see.

848
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: I've been a lot of the movies recently, so so

849
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: more more than watching. I mean I've seen I mean,

850
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: I've seen some good series, but I haven't watched anything

851
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 3: very incent. I must say that. I only it's small

852
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: part of it. But what grabbed me the most was

853
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: Sugarn because what I mean, I was justin very well

854
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: too and what he's done. And when I read those

855
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: and scripts, I knew it was going to be good,

856
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: but I didn't expect it to be as good as Yeah. Yeah,

857
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: so that's really grabby, and I mean the whole.

858
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: Thing, so yeah, yeah, One more quick one that might

859
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: be fun for our audience. Any of those code names

860
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: from Rings of Power that you could share code names

861
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: for characters codemes for seeds.

862
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if I should share them because I

863
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: think that actually I don't know if I could share them.

864
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: Actually I don't know that they are all I can

865
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: say that there are many many code names everywhere, so

866
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: you cannot get a core sheet or a script or

867
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: anything without a conduct. And then the most difficult one

868
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: that I as obviously, and that was a big difference

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Speaker 3: being an EP director producer. I actually got to script

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Speaker 1: But when I said, I.

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Speaker 3: So when the two of us would sit down and

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Speaker 3: So we had to sort of sit there and look

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Speaker 3: up names and see who was what and where it

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Speaker 3: was because we had very hard time connecting the beginning,

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Speaker 3: so I had to learn all the names both ways

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Speaker 3: to actually know what I was doing well.

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Speaker 1: Rings of Power season two debuts August twenty ninth on

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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime Video. Charlotte Branstrom, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: For joining is sol Joy, thank you, yeah, thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me.

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Speaker 1: What a fun interview with Charlotte Branstrom. Coming up next

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Speaker 1: on x ray Vision, We're gonna be diving into episodes

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Speaker 1: two oh two and two three of Rings of Power

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and this Thursday kicks off our month long

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Speaker 1: dive into all things animation with a look back at Batman,

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Speaker 1: the animated series. Then our Friday, we're back from more

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Speaker 1: Rings of Power with our recap of episode four. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode, folks, Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Don't go on any rings, don't do an.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason kenspcion and Rosie

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Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 1: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and

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Speaker 1: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi Our discoored Moderata