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Speaker 2: Pasio as the number one prospect in the organization right now, JJ,

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Speaker 2: All Right, So I'll take what JJ's saying to the

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Speaker 2: There is still that young talent we're talking about like Basio,

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Speaker 2: Ben your thoughts, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I agree. They like to give their players pretty significant

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Speaker 2: All right, let's finish with this ben the global approach

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Speaker 2: Let's be real. The American League East is just a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the Red Sox also have the best farm

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Speaker 3: There, you know.

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Speaker 6: Brayden Taylor kind of a maybe not the sexiest profile,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the competition's fierce in that division. Yeah, especially with

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Speaker 4: It's not a ton of top end talent, I think

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Speaker 2: Jeff Pond, you start, what do we like about Ricky

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Speaker 4: You know, I think if you look back to sort of,

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Speaker 1: I feel like with Tiitaman, like Jeff is kind of

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Speaker 1: that's just completely torn and you're saying, Okay, there's nothing

433
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Speaker 1: here to do but to go have surgery. But there's

434
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Speaker 1: a lot of times where it's much cloudier than that.

435
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Speaker 1: But there's the possibility that rehab may work, may not.

436
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Speaker 1: See a situation like this with tetam In where really

437
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna see is is by the time he

438
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Speaker 1: comes back in twenty twenty six, ma'am, we're really gonna

439
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Speaker 1: have prospect fatigue because at that point it's gonna be like,

440
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Speaker 1: when was the last time I was healthy? And the

441
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Speaker 1: answer is gonna be early twenty three, twenty two. There's

442
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Speaker 1: gonna been a long time, but we're still talking about

443
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Speaker 1: a picture who's going to be very young at that point.

444
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Speaker 1: And Jeff, the thing that does jump out to me

445
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Speaker 1: you kind of laid it out a little bit, but

446
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Speaker 1: win healthy. This is a guy who who has starter stuff.

447
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Speaker 1: This is not some flame throwing I get out, you know,

448
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 1: same side hitters type of pitcher. This is a guy

449
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Speaker 1: who has a breaking ball, you know, has a slider

450
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Speaker 1: that's kind of been sweeper at times that that works,

451
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Speaker 1: that has elite fastball. There are the pieces here if

452
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Speaker 1: you can stay healthy for him to be a starter,

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Speaker 1: right yeah.

454
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Speaker 4: And I think you know, that's always been the thing

455
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Speaker 4: when I've been very positive about team in despite the

456
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Speaker 4: health issues, is I think if you've seen him at

457
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Speaker 4: his best, you know, he looks like a starter. He's got,

458
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Speaker 4: you know, off speed pitch, he's got feel for a

459
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Speaker 4: breaking ball, and his ability to spin a ball create

460
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Speaker 4: probably different shapes if they so chose.

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Speaker 3: You know, the fastball has so.

462
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Speaker 4: Much arm side run that he could kind of start

463
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Speaker 4: to mess with a two seam a little bit. I

464
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Speaker 4: think there's a lot of places that the Arsenal can go.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, the strike throwing has been there. He's physical,

466
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Speaker 4: and he was efficient in handling innings early on prior

467
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Speaker 4: to this injury. I think if you look at, you know,

468
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Speaker 4: a player coming out of Guco, the amount of innings

469
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Speaker 4: that he threw in that season, they almost had to

470
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Speaker 4: kind of slow him down a little bit in the

471
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Speaker 4: second half just in terms of how many innings he

472
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Speaker 4: was accumulating the first half of that year. And I

473
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Speaker 4: think a lot of it is because he was just

474
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Speaker 4: breezing through starts and even pitch counts kind of didn't

475
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Speaker 4: matter versus innings.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think the.

477
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Speaker 4: Highs have been so high and it was just kind

478
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Speaker 4: of a stumbling block at this point. It's just it's

479
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Speaker 4: unfortunate what the path has been and sometimes this happens.

480
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Speaker 4: It wasn't a straight tear, it was nerve damage and

481
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Speaker 4: that's something that you can repair. So I think if

482
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Speaker 4: you're going to take a positive out of this whole

483
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Speaker 4: situation in terms of Teetaman's injuries, it's certainly that you know,

484
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Speaker 4: it's not like it was a catastrophic elbow injury that

485
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Speaker 4: needed to be repaired. It was kind of Teeter tottering

486
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Speaker 4: on that edge of whether they should have surgery or

487
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Speaker 4: not and pitching through it, trying some different rehab procedures

488
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Speaker 4: and ultimately it course didn't work.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to present a fan case here, Jeff that

490
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Speaker 2: it's not just prospect fatigue. It's more like, I'm okay

491
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Speaker 2: waiting this one out, all good as a Blue Jays fan,

492
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Speaker 2: not me but representing them right now. But is there

493
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Speaker 2: anyone else.

494
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Speaker 1: That's competing here that could have been the top.

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Speaker 2: Hi, do we have a farm system issue that needs

496
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Speaker 2: to be addressed and the future is bleak unless they

497
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Speaker 2: keep spending a ton of money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think, and I've said this on

499
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Speaker 4: record for about a year now, I think this is

500
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Speaker 4: one of the more underrated farm systems in the game.

501
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Speaker 4: I think we're seeing it now with Alan Roaden and

502
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Speaker 4: just some of the hype that he's getting. Argie Namala.

503
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Speaker 4: I spent two weeks in the backfields of western Florida,

504
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Speaker 4: and I think Nomala is a top five player that

505
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Speaker 4: I watched over the last two weeks, and that includes

506
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Speaker 4: numerous players that are inside the top thirty. I think

507
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Speaker 4: we're behind on it a little bit right now, just

508
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Speaker 4: in terms of where we probably have them ranked. I

509
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Speaker 4: think he's a guy that could probably leap frog Ricky

510
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Speaker 4: Tea and even like in the next couple of weeks. Frankly, so,

511
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Speaker 4: I think he's won. I saw Trey Yesovich twice, as

512
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Speaker 4: saw him in the spring breakout game that I saw

513
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Speaker 4: my last day on the backfields before I headed home

514
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Speaker 4: from Florida, and I mean, you know, it's outlier fastball shape.

515
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Speaker 4: He's popping to twenty plus IVB pretty much on every

516
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Speaker 4: four seam fastball and it's sitting four to six touch

517
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Speaker 4: in seven. So you know, I do think there are

518
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Speaker 4: some other players in this system. I think there's players

519
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Speaker 4: from last year's drafts, some of the pitchers, Kyle Stevens,

520
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 4: some of those guys who could rise a little bit.

521
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Speaker 4: It's just it's not a ton of top end talent

522
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Speaker 4: I think, sort of outside of Mamala and Tetam and

523
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Speaker 4: potentially you Savage.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I would have with that is is

526
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Speaker 1: that when you look at where they rank right now,

527
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Speaker 1: this is one of the orgs that we do think,

528
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Speaker 1: I think could move up a good bit this year.

529
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Speaker 1: Because it's also, like like Jeff said, it's a lot

530
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Speaker 1: of guys from last year's draft, Themala from two years ago,

531
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Speaker 1: but who's yet to play really above low A. It's

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Speaker 1: guys who if they have good seasons this year and

533
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Speaker 1: start doing it at upper levels, then the system is

534
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Speaker 1: going to kind of rise in our estimation as well,

535
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Speaker 1: because that's really kind of the test that you're trying

536
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Speaker 1: to see, which is obviously we try to be aggressive

537
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Speaker 1: with team, you know, with prospects at the lower levels,

538
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: but the top of our top one hundred always is

539
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Speaker 1: filled with guys who are right at the cusp of

540
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Speaker 1: the big leagues. Why because that shows you've survived and

541
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Speaker 1: checked off that box of Okay, I can handle high A,

542
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Speaker 1: I can handle double A. The Blue Jays guys who

543
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Speaker 1: would we would you know, be considering the most for

544
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Speaker 1: this are guys like Titaman. He's hurt. Namala hasn't checked

545
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Speaker 1: that box off yet. Guys like that Ya Savage are

546
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: guys who could all reach that this year, but I

547
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Speaker 1: haven't done it yet.

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Speaker 2: Hey, if you want to learn more about the Blue

549
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: Jays farm system, or you just have a question in

550
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: general about your favorite prospect, you should meet us on

551
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: Mondays three thirty Eastern time on a show called Hot

552
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: Sheet Live on YouTube, or listen to it afterward the

553
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Speaker 2: Basic All America podcast Speed So thanks for tuning into

554
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Speaker 2: this one. Check out more prospect profiles on a team

555
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Speaker 2: by team basis, and we'll see you then.

556
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Speaker 1: He is on top hundred list, but because he spent

557
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Speaker 1: time on the Major League IL last year, he has

558
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Speaker 1: too much service time to qualify, even though that does

559
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: not disqualify him from being Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 2: This is a well known name especially for Yankees fans.

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Speaker 2: Jason Dominguez prospect profile, time Baseball Americas, JJ Cooper and

562
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Speaker 2: Jeff Ponce with me, Scott Braun, let's talk about the martian, JJ.

563
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Speaker 2: What do you see? What have we learned? Right? Because

564
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Speaker 2: we've seen a little bit of big league time from

565
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Speaker 2: him already too.

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Speaker 1: The good news if you're a Yankees fan is is

567
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Speaker 1: I felt like the first couple of weeks of spring

568
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: training it was all about Jason Nminga's defense, Jason Aminga's defense. Man.

569
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Speaker 1: Look how bad Jason Diminga's defense is. We haven't seen

570
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Speaker 1: that as much lately, which is good because the Yankees

571
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Speaker 1: really need Jason de Minguez to step in and really

572
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Speaker 1: be a solid fixture in this lineup. You know, this

573
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: is the team that's already kind of sustained some injuries.

574
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Speaker 1: They don't have I would say, as much depth as

575
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: say the Orioles or the Red Sox or maybe even yeah,

576
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: maybe the Rays in the division. So they need someone

577
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: like Jason Dimingez to really step up. I think we're

578
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: pretty confident that he's going to contribute offensively in multiple ways.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to believe he's only twenty two years old.

580
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like he's like, what thirty two

581
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: at this point, because we've been talking about him since basically,

582
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: you know, leading up to a sixteenth birthday, so it

583
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Speaker 1: feels like it's longer than it is. But he's only

584
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Speaker 1: twenty two, and he does have a, I would say,

585
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: jeff a very well rounded offensive skill set. He gets

586
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Speaker 1: on base, there's some power, there's a surprising speed when

587
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: you consider kind of his body type and all. But

588
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: when I look at it, I just feel like, this

589
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: is the guy who is going to be a very good,

590
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Speaker 1: complimentary player, And I mean that in the best way possible.

591
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Speaker 1: Don't expect him to be your cleanup hitter this year,

592
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: but do expect him to get on base, to score,

593
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: to drive in runs, to show some power, and should

594
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: hit for average as well. There's a lot here to like,

595
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Speaker 1: Just don't expect him to be the Yankees savior in

596
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, because I was asking maybe a little

597
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: bit too much for a twenty two year old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's always been the thing with

599
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 4: Dominguez is it's just you know, how detached from reality,

600
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 4: you know, have the expectations been, you know, since before

601
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: even this guy signed, and I think, you know, kudos

602
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: to him, with a lot of or lesser prospects have

603
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: collapsed with you know, some of the weight of the

604
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 4: comps that this guy was getting, the Mickey Mantles and

605
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: the Aaron Judges and Mike Troutz and that sort of thing.

606
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: So it's you know, I think to some extent when

607
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: it comes to Domingez, it's always been like, oh, he's overrated,

608
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: he's not good enough, blah blah blah, when in reality,

609
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: you know, he is a really well rounded prospect. There

610
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: is power here, there's on base ability, and he's a

611
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: switch hitter. And I think if things go really well

612
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Speaker 4: for Dominguez and for the Yankees in twenty twenty five,

613
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Speaker 4: you know, at the end at some point this season,

614
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 4: he'll as send us sort of that leadoff role, which

615
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Speaker 4: I think Austin Wells is kind of tapped into at

616
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: this point. But ideally, having a guy who gets on base,

617
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: who can run a little bit, who does have power

618
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 4: and as a switch hitter is kind of an ideal

619
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Speaker 4: spot for a leadoff guy. So you know, we'll see

620
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: if he kind of if that sort of materializes. You know,

621
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Speaker 4: there's always been question marks. I think about the defense

622
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: dating back to kind of the midpoint of last season

623
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Speaker 4: when he returned, I don't know if there's been as

624
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Speaker 4: much skepticism about his ability to get on base, hit

625
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: for power. Just the overall offensive profile I think kind

626
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: of gets a little bit underrated. It's funny, how you know,

627
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 4: it feels like just the public narrative is always, you know, Yankees'

628
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: prospects get overrated. In the same regard, I think that,

629
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Speaker 4: you know, certain flaws of theirs can be a little

630
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: bit overstated, and you know, there's certain elements of their

631
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Speaker 4: game and strengths that go a little bit underrated. I

632
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 4: think it kind of have Aaron Judge as well. You know,

633
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 4: he had an unusual path to the major leagues that

634
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 4: had a fair amount of injuries in his way up.

635
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Speaker 3: So I think when you look at all that stuff overall,

636
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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: That you know, this is a really good player or

638
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 4: really good prospects still and somebody that you know, I

639
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: think will be a key contributor for the Yankees this

640
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Speaker 4: year if things do go well when he stays healthy.

641
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Speaker 1: So let me lay this out though, Jason de Mingez.

642
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Speaker 1: Let's say he has an incredible year this year, he's

643
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Speaker 1: American League Rookie of the Year. He is a top

644
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Speaker 1: hundred prospect on everyone's top one hundred prospects list, so

645
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Speaker 1: that would seem to indicate that then he could earn

646
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Speaker 1: the Yankees a draft pick, a prospect performance Promotion Incentive pick,

647
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Speaker 1: a PPI pick. But he can't. And it's really kind

648
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Speaker 1: of weird because he is Rookie of the Year eligible, he

649
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: is on top hundred list, but because he spent time

650
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: on the Major League IL last year, he has too

651
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: much service time to qualify, even though that does not

652
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Speaker 1: disqualify him from being Rookie of the Year. It's really weird,

653
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: but that's what the reality of it is. So the

654
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Speaker 1: one bad news is, no matter how good to Mingos

655
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Speaker 1: is this year, he cannot earn the Yankees a PPI pick.

656
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: Wow.

657
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Speaker 2: I think he'll take the service time trade off? Right?

658
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: He will, exactly right. He's open to have a long

659
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: career and the name of the game you get to

660
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: free agency as quick as possible, or obviously if things

661
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: end up working out and he signs an extension. So

662
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: let's finish with this global perspective, JJ, how do we

663
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: feel about the Yankees farm system?

664
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Speaker 3: Right?

665
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: Now it's been a little beat up obviously, Spencer Jones

666
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of took a step back last year. The key

667
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: thing and the thing that I would say that is

668
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: really exciting for the Yankees is we just keep getting

669
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Speaker 1: a lot of positive feedback, a lot of input from

670
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Speaker 1: scouts to say, just keep moving. George Lombard Junior up

671
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: on this list. You know, if you look at his stats,

672
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: if you look at the slash lines and all that,

673
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: you may go, really, but no, it's it's real. You

674
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: saw him play more than you would normally see a

675
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Class A player play in big league games. I think

676
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Speaker 1: that's intentional. I think that you could see him be

677
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: one of the breakout prospects of twenty twenty five here

678
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues.

679
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, completely agree with that.

680
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: Lombard was one of the guys that got you know,

681
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: the most helium and sort of buzz over the offseason

682
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: that continued out in Florida. And I think, you know,

683
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: just seeing him on a field, he looks bigger, stronger, faster.

684
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: The swing looks a little bit more cleaned up from

685
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: what we saw last spring. And I thought he was

686
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: an impressive player last spring in my initial looks so

687
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 4: you know they had The Yankees don't play a lot

688
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: of backfield games, so but you know, he was not

689
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: involved in many of those, and if he was, it

690
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: was going to be like triple A games. So you know,

691
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 4: I think this guy's going to be headed for Hudson

692
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: Valley this year probably, you know, coming through Somerset pretty quickly.

693
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: Okay, and Summerset's double A ball, right, so you're getting

694
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: close by then. So Yankee fans, you got your next

695
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: name to follow if you weren't already, based on what

696
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: he's been doing in spring training.

697
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: Too.

698
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: If you want more on other organizations and their top prospects,

699
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: a little bit on their farm system, obviously Baseball Americas,

700
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: it's fun to get yourself a subscription to the website

701
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: and subscribe to the YouTube channel podcast wise. Also, if

702
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: you want to learn about each organ their top player,

703
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: We've got these prospect profiles for you. They're all up,

704
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: so go check them out and we'll see on another one.

705
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Speaker 4: All these things that Campbell does really well, Anthony also

706
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: does really well. If he's younger, and he does a

707
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: few of those things at just an elite level that

708
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: Campbell just doesn't approach, particularly when it comes to the.

709
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Speaker 2: Power the future of Roman Anthony in the major leagues.

710
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: He is the top prospect in the Red Sox organization.

711
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Speaker 2: It's prospect profile time, all right, Jeff Ponce you're up first,

712
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: How excited should Red Sox fans and baseball fans be

713
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: about Roman Anthony hopefully coming to the bigs at some

714
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: point this season?

715
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it almost probably happened just out of

716
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: camp at Willi or Brad Who's you know, illness kind

717
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: of carried on for a little bit longer. He made

718
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: a recovery, and you know, I think that kind of

719
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: put the kaibash on that, at least initially. It wouldn't

720
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: shock me if we see Anthony very quickly, if there's

721
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: any injuries whatsoever, into that outfield. It wouldn't shock me

722
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: if he's out of the forty man roster and then

723
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: up with the big league club and starting games, whether

724
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: it's in right or left fields, you know, fairly quickly.

725
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: In terms of the overall skill set, he's been one

726
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: of the most impressive prospects since, you know, kind of

727
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 4: the minute he stepped foot on a full season field.

728
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: Over the last couple of years, even when the numbers

729
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 4: you know, in low A kind of weren't tracking the

730
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: underlying data was kind of telling a different story that

731
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: started to come to fruition in High A. He made

732
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: his way up at Double A at the end of

733
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: the you know, his first full season and then last

734
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: year between Double A and Triple A really put up

735
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: some big numbers and big performances and kind of is

736
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 4: the total package just in terms of like a five

737
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: tool type of prospect.

738
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: You know, it's a plus hit tool.

739
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: I think when you factor in bats ball skills, swing decisions,

740
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: the ability to you know, consistently make pretty good contact

741
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: at good angles, some of the hardest contact you're going

742
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 4: to see in all of baseball.

743
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: You know, among minor leaguers.

744
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: You know, he's in like the top you know, zero

745
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: point five percentile or something in terms of you know,

746
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: ninetieth percentile EV and those sort of metrics. Runs really well.

747
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 4: It's a plus arm. You know, he's pretty good in

748
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 4: center field, can play the position.

749
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: You know, I think is.

750
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 4: Probably an above average every day corner outfielder when it's

751
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: all said and done. But you know, I think just overall,

752
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 4: Roman Anthey is just a really strong, really interesting prospect.

753
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: I know, if there's anything else that that you see

754
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 4: or sticks out to you when you kind of break

755
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: down Roman Anthony JJ.

756
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: What sticks out to me is this is a guy,

757
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: Like you said, if there's an injury, this is the

758
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: first call they're going to make. I wouldn't be sure

759
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: at although also if at some point this year this

760
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: is a guy. You move guys to make room for

761
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of prospects. You don't say that a lot

762
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: of prospects. They got to kind of earn their way,

763
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: They kind of kind of put their foot in the door,

764
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: and then they have to really show Okay, this guy's

765
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: just so ready that we've got to figure out a

766
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: way to clear space eventually, Roman anthey's at a different

767
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: tier than that now, they don't need to move too fast.

768
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: This is the guy who has yet to turn twenty

769
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: one years old. He's extremely young for the level he's back.

770
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: He's been really extremely young for every level he's been

771
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: at for the last couple of years, and he's performed

772
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: everywhere he's gone. But in a system that we have

773
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: as our number one farm system, in a system that

774
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: has Christian Campbell as kind of one of the stars,

775
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, the top prospects to make an opening day roster.

776
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: We expect here's Anthony who ranks above him, And if

777
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: you said why, it's like, okay, this is a tough

778
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: one two decision. But it really is is that for

779
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: everything that Campbell does, Anthony's doing it, and he's doing

780
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: it had a year and a half, two years younger

781
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: than Christian Campbell at the same level. There's really kind

782
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: of dramatic upside here. There's real power, there's real on

783
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: base ability. There's the ability to be a very well

784
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: rounded hitter, probably gonna fit in a corner, you know,

785
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: like like Jeff said, but should be a solid outfielder

786
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: eventually defensively as well. You put all that together and

787
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: it's a pretty special prospect. This is kind of the

788
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: The Red Sox seemed to be doing this about once

789
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: a decade. They did this, you know, middle of last decade,

790
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: kind of with the Mookie Bets group. They did this,

791
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, middle of the decade before that. And here

792
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: we go again. We look at the Red Sox with Meyer,

793
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, Marcella Meyer, to go with Christian Campbell, to

794
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: go with Roman Anthony, it's a really good time to

795
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: be a Red Sox farm hand. There's a whole lot

796
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: of talent here, and that's even without even getting into

797
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: the pitching, which, as Jeff saw, is pretty stand out

798
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: and pretty impressive as well.

799
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: How much of a gap was there when you were

800
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: decided on him versus Roki Sasaki for number one overall

801
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: prospect JJ? Obviously, you know it's almost tough to compare

802
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: them in a way. First of all, it's pitcher, position player,

803
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: but also the fact that Roki has spent some pretty

804
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: good time as a pro in a different world. I

805
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: know it's not Major League Baseball, but certainly NPB is

806
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: a different level from minor leagues in terms of being

807
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: a professional player in the big leagues and coming over.

808
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: Some people don't like that Japanese players, you know, can

809
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: win Rookie of the Year, more so for the guys

810
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: that come over when they're twenty eighty nine years old.

811
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: But anyway, how did you slice this up when you

812
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: were looking into it.

813
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I always love to make a point with that that

814
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: it is the Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year Award.

815
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: A Jackie Robinson had played in an elite level major

816
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: league level league before he came to the to the MLB,

817
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: so that does fit for me. But no, if it

818
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: would have been any other situation, I would say Anthony

819
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: was a clear number one. But when you have a

820
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: guy you said, it's the MPB. But pitching is also pitching.

821
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: When you see Roki Sazaki splitter, you kind of know

822
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: that that's going to play against pretty much anyone, especially

823
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: if you can locate in the zone. And so I

824
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: would say that at the end of the day, it

825
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: wasn't that hard of a call to put Roki number one.

826
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: But until the day he signed Roman, Anthony was a

827
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: that was our number one prospect, and we were very

828
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: comfortable with that. It wasn't something where it's like, man,

829
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: there are times where you just look at and say, well,

830
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: someone has to be number one. This is not one

831
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: of those cases. The fun debate we also had, though,

832
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: is is kind of leading up to that, was who's

833
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: going to be the Red Sox number one? Because I

834
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: could construct a pretty good case for Christian Campbell as well,

835
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: probably could from Marcela Meyer as well, but especially in

836
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: Campbell's case, you could argue the defensive versatility may kind

837
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: of allow him to edge out Anthony long term. It's

838
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: a fun debate, and Jeff is one that you and

839
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: I I think I spent a lot of time talking about.

840
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think when you look, you know,

841
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: both of those cases, you know, ultimately, I think, you know,

842
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: we went with Sasak over Anthony, we go with Anthony

843
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: over Campbell, but it is close. I think then people

844
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: probably even imagine, you know, both of these hitters for

845
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: you know, top five prospects in the game, guys that

846
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: blend a variety of skills really really well, that can

847
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: play somewhat of a premium position up the middle, you know,

848
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: if you consider you know, second base, you know, of

849
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: course is an up the middle position. Premium or not

850
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: is another question, depending upon how you break it down.

851
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, ultimately that's kind of what

852
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 4: it comes down to, is all these things that Campbell

853
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: does really well, Anthony also does really well. He's younger,

854
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: and he does a few of those things at just

855
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 4: an elite level that Campbell just doesn't approach, particularly when

856
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: it comes to the power.

857
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: MM.

858
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: Well, we'll be talking a lot more about him throughout

859
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: the year, regardless of what goes on, right and will

860
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: of course be tracked him to see when he cracks

861
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: the big leagues. We have every single organization covered with

862
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: these prospect profiles, looking at the number one overall prospect

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Speaker 2: per organization. We often dive into the organization as well.

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Speaker 2: In fact, for the Red Sox we spoke to Brian Abraham,

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Speaker 2: who's a big part of the scouting and development process

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Speaker 2: for Red Sox prospects. We did that a few episodes

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Speaker 2: ago on hot Sheets, so I advise you to check

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Speaker 2: that out as well, And thank you for checking out

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Speaker 2: this little click