Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio Final Hour on this Thursday. It's going to
Speaker 1: be busy. Steve Levy, popular hockey host, he'll join us
Speaker 1: coming up here in a few minutes. Doug Gottlieb's going
Speaker 1: to stop by, and it's a house call here in
Speaker 1: the Mank. We'll talk about the NBA Draft coming up tonight.
Speaker 1: Phone call is always welcome. Operator Tyler standing by eight
Speaker 1: seven seven three, DP show Email address DP at dan
Speaker 1: Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. I just
Speaker 1: mentioned Shohei Otani had an incredible last two games. Struck
Speaker 1: out thirteen batters. Previous game had eight RBIs. He's the
Speaker 1: only player in baseball history to have those two games
Speaker 1: in a career, and he did that in consecutive games.
Speaker 1: I asked Paulie, I said, could you check what Babe
Speaker 1: Ruth did. The most strikecounts he ever had in a
Speaker 1: game eleven, the most RBIs he had in a game seven,
Speaker 1: which he did four different times. Showhyutani eight RBIs and
Speaker 1: then follows that up with thirteen strikeouts. It's incredible. You know,
Speaker 1: when your only competition is Babe Ruth, Wow, you're in
Speaker 1: some pretty select company. There so over a hundred years ago.
Speaker 1: That's what we're looking at with shoe Heyutani. All right,
Speaker 1: final hour poll question setan, what do you have for us?
Speaker 1: Let me update you Dan, so far from the first
Speaker 1: hour we had, which would have been worse calling the
Speaker 1: six man or not calling the sixth oh last night
Speaker 1: the controversy. Steve Levy from the mother Ship will join
Speaker 1: us on this non call. Last night, fifty five percent
Speaker 1: of the audience that it would have been worse if
Speaker 1: they had called. I agree, having too many men on
Speaker 1: the ice, I agree, I agree too. I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Lightning now down three games to one, series shifts
Speaker 1: back to Colorado. Stan Cronkie is going to do something,
Speaker 1: or least on the verge of something it's never been
Speaker 1: done before. He could win two championships same year. Owner
Speaker 1: of the ABS, owner of the Rams could have I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody has any owner had two championships in
Speaker 1: a calendar year. The owner slam. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's an owner's slam. But Stan Cronkie, owner of
Speaker 1: the ABS and owner of the Rams. We mentioned Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell taken some heat and DC Daniel Snyder has been
Speaker 1: subpoenaed to talk about the UH the workplace environment there
Speaker 1: with the Washington commanders. I don't know if he's going
Speaker 1: to show up, and then if he does, I don't
Speaker 1: know if anything changes here. I would just say to
Speaker 1: the other NFL owners, do you want to be in
Speaker 1: business with this guy? Is he good business? Yeah? More?
Speaker 1: I think that's what would anger me the most. Files
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell. It's not like you're a good team or
Speaker 1: winning super Bowls. You guys have been terrible on the
Speaker 1: field and you've been bad for business off the field too,
Speaker 1: Like what good are you to us? Although you know,
Speaker 1: if you watch yesterday, you saw what he does. He
Speaker 1: saw what the commissioner does. He protects the owners no
Speaker 1: matter who it is. He makes money and he protects them.
Speaker 1: That's why he gets paid sixty million dollars. By the way,
Speaker 1: too many Men on the Ice was called one hundred
Speaker 1: ninety three times in thirteen hundred regular season games. This year,
Speaker 1: it's been called nineteen times in eighty seven postseason games
Speaker 1: so far. Of the nineteen times it's been called in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, six have been against the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Speaker 1: But you can go back to last year game seven
Speaker 1: against the Islanders. They won one nothing and there was
Speaker 1: a call, or should have been a call at least.
Speaker 1: You know that the hockey fans are saying, well, if
Speaker 1: you're going to call it, you wanted it called last night,
Speaker 1: should have been called against Tampa Bay last year against
Speaker 1: the Islanders. A roundabout way of me saying that this
Speaker 1: has happened before it happens a lot. Let's see anything
Speaker 1: else that needs to be mentioned. As I say, going
Speaker 1: back to Goodell and Daniel Seider, remember when Adam Silver
Speaker 1: took over the NBA and quickly he was handed the
Speaker 1: Donald Sterling Clippers situation. Yes, he pulled that band aid
Speaker 1: quick He booted that guy and gave it the balmer
Speaker 1: and that was that's his initial legacy. I guess you
Speaker 1: called him the lack of a better phrasement. That's set
Speaker 1: the tone of Adam Silver is gonna address issues like
Speaker 1: this and not distance himself or push him back. Ron
Speaker 1: and Charlotte, Hey, Ron, what's on your mind? Yeah? Five nine,
Speaker 1: two eleven. Yeah, you guys catch mister Levy last night
Speaker 1: he said thirty sex goals versus thirty six seconds. I
Speaker 1: didn't know if you had a big live shoot up
Speaker 1: like mister Levity last night. I did not. I did not.
Speaker 1: I didn't catch that. But Steve Levy joining us on
Speaker 1: the program leaves, of course, is part of the host
Speaker 1: duties there with Sports Center, ESPN, ABC. He's been on
Speaker 1: site with Mark Messier, Chris Chelios and Emily Kaplan on
Speaker 1: ice reporter leaves joints. This now leaves how's morale in
Speaker 1: Tampa Morning DP And that gentleman's right. I meant to
Speaker 1: say thirty six seconds and I said thirty sex second.
Speaker 1: Who hasn't been there? Right? So I'm feeling I'm feeling great.
Speaker 1: I don't think John Cooper's that happy. And the lightning
Speaker 1: was also to chaos in controversy. It was one of
Speaker 1: those it took a really long time to develop. It
Speaker 1: was a weird game from start to finish stand and
Speaker 1: then at the end, you know, nope, at first glance,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody in the ice knew that puck
Speaker 1: went in, not even the guy who shot it or
Speaker 1: the goalie took boone and by him the defenseman to
Speaker 1: come all the way from the blue lighter swooping behind
Speaker 1: the net to show everybody where the puck was actually
Speaker 1: and then so then we figured out, okay, it's over,
Speaker 1: which was kind of reminiscent. Remember Patrick Kane in twenty
Speaker 1: ten the Stanley Cup winning goal and Kane was the
Speaker 1: only one who knew it and swing down the ice.
Speaker 1: So and then of course we find out post game
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about the John Cooper press conference. You know,
Speaker 1: there too many men on the ice, so a lot
Speaker 1: of chaos and you know, talking to some league people
Speaker 1: last night afterwards, just my understanding, the league sort of
Speaker 1: admits there was a mistake. They're not going to publicly
Speaker 1: say that, but really was too many men on the ice.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things. It's a judgment call. It's
Speaker 1: a bad call. You can't challenge it, can't do anything
Speaker 1: with it after the fact, and it's it's sort of
Speaker 1: one of those things you kind of have to just
Speaker 1: eat and live with. How often can you call this leaves?
Speaker 1: You know? So the rule change is a few years
Speaker 1: ago Dan I was talking about with mass and Chilly
Speaker 1: used to be six feet like I think it was
Speaker 1: written into the rule book, like you could be within
Speaker 1: six feet of the bench when you were changing the
Speaker 1: other player, and so it matters the player you're changing
Speaker 1: with it's not just the closest guy to the bench
Speaker 1: that you when you're coming off, the guy who's replacing
Speaker 1: you has to be, you know, within reason and obviously
Speaker 1: not interfering with the play and the puck not in
Speaker 1: the area. Like there are a lot of variables that
Speaker 1: go into this, and so you're right, too many men
Speaker 1: on the ice could be called more often. I think
Speaker 1: the official give you some leeway. But the player that
Speaker 1: was actually changing, I think it was McKinnon who came
Speaker 1: off for Kadri and the contra scores the goal and
Speaker 1: somebody the people saying it was thirty feet away, So
Speaker 1: I think I think they missed it. It happens fast. Uh,
Speaker 1: these guys are massive. The officials have been skating three
Speaker 1: four miles themselves on the ice all night. It's chaotic, NonStop.
Speaker 1: You're an overtime, pressures high and all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: I think they miss it. And I think there's one
Speaker 1: of those there's nothing you can do about it. It's
Speaker 1: not like offside. It's not like goalie interference. It's not
Speaker 1: like that the puck cross the line. It's just not
Speaker 1: one of those things. Would you have called it, you know,
Speaker 1: And again honestly, day we need even we were trying
Speaker 1: to find the pucket the net first, so we have
Speaker 1: bigger problems. We got bigger issues there, So I think
Speaker 1: after looking at it. But the day I'm talking about
Speaker 1: twenty minutes after the fact, you know, yeah, maybe I
Speaker 1: would have called it dead. But you can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's just that's not sports. Even with all the technology
Speaker 1: we have. I don't I don't think it's gonna call
Speaker 1: the next time either. I just think that's one of
Speaker 1: those things they just missed. How do you think this
Speaker 1: series plays out. I think it's I think it's Colorado series.
Speaker 1: I think everybody thought that after Game two. I think
Speaker 1: we were all surprised at what took place in Game
Speaker 1: three and quite frankly, and that's and that's why if
Speaker 1: you're an honest Tampa Bay Lightning fan, I don't think
Speaker 1: it could be that. I'm saying, you're bothered by the
Speaker 1: goal last night should have been two any minute of
Speaker 1: the ice, I get that, But probably if they call
Speaker 1: it back, Colorado score the next shift, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? It was outside of the first period. I
Speaker 1: thought Tampa Bay was hanging out with dear life. Second period,
Speaker 1: third period over time, they had a couple of Russias,
Speaker 1: couple opportunities, but I think I think Colorado has been
Speaker 1: the better team. And quite frankly, the biggest surprise in
Speaker 1: the series is the biggest advantage before the series started
Speaker 1: was in goal, and and Darcy Camper had the one
Speaker 1: bad game. Jared Bednar, the coach of Colorado, elects to
Speaker 1: bring camp we're back, and he was terrific last night.
Speaker 1: And so if they if there's not the massive advantaging
Speaker 1: goal for Tampa Bay that was their biggest edge to
Speaker 1: begin with, then it just it just screams Colorado for me.
Speaker 1: Kemper's the first goaltender in NHL history with an overtime
Speaker 1: assist in a standing the Cup final game. Did you
Speaker 1: know that, Leaves? I knew we had the assist on
Speaker 1: the goal? I did not know who's the first ever
Speaker 1: to do it. You're you're talking to a honey expert here, Okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: I was talking about you. Last night. This is so odd.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the small world we live in, right,
Speaker 1: And then I get the call from Fritzie this morning.
Speaker 1: I want to jump on. I am a hotel bar
Speaker 1: festivities last night, two of your favorites. So Chuck's Chuck's
Speaker 1: in the house of course, right because he's everywhere. So Bart,
Speaker 1: please you, oh my God, with me in a big way.
Speaker 1: I would say multiple nights, okay, but last night so
Speaker 1: that was part of the Dan Patrick reunion tour. And
Speaker 1: then last night Darius pops in. Darius, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: said to him, it's been a long time again, I said,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since Dan got us on the
Speaker 1: stage with Bourman and then and Darius, you got us
Speaker 1: up on the stage with him and singing the song.
Speaker 1: And then he he told about the argument. You know,
Speaker 1: he made you famous, No, you made him famous, and
Speaker 1: you guys you've gone back and forth over that or something. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's a Dad Patrick kind of night. Yeah. Well, you
Speaker 1: know Barkley loves his hockey. He knows his hockey, yes,
Speaker 1: and he's tight with John Cooper. Oh well, he's tight
Speaker 1: with the commissioner too, because he texted him to say,
Speaker 1: can you give me some tickets here? And I don't
Speaker 1: even have Gary Bettman's phone number, and Charles Barkley does.
Speaker 1: I feel that's wrong? Every time I see MESSI I
Speaker 1: always think when the Rangers won the Cup and I
Speaker 1: was covering that for Sports Center and I went to
Speaker 1: a bar where they were there with the cup and
Speaker 1: they were passing around the cup and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what was in it, and Messier said, if you have
Speaker 1: to ask, you don't get to drink. I don't know
Speaker 1: what was in it. But I drank it, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like sure, why not, I'm not gonna dieus. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool for me to be sitting next
Speaker 1: to those guys. You know, Melrose is great everything, and
Speaker 1: then you get so good. Oh then they start telling stories.
Speaker 1: Most of them you can't tell when you're on the
Speaker 1: air exactly. Hey, great to talk to you, buddy, Thank
Speaker 1: you leave. That's Steve Levy. Uh, the game will be
Speaker 1: Friday night on ABC. You know. Emily Kaplan is the
Speaker 1: on ice reporter. I've seen her on around the horn,
Speaker 1: but to see her in action. She knows her hockey.
Speaker 1: She's really good, looks great on camera, sounds great, and
Speaker 1: uh great to see her get an opportunity like that.
Speaker 1: The on ice reporter, that's that's a tough job sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, but but there's a lot of action going
Speaker 1: on there and the things that you hear when you're
Speaker 1: down there. That's what's great. And like you're always wondering
Speaker 1: when you're watching. And I have said this before. I
Speaker 1: covered the Seattle SuperSonics huddle when they were facing the
Speaker 1: Bulls in the NBA Finals. I covered the huddle for
Speaker 1: ESPN Radio. I just wanted to be I was there
Speaker 1: for Sports Center, but I wanted to be there in
Speaker 1: the action. I wanted to be as close as I could.
Speaker 1: And you're in the huddle and you're thinking, as as
Speaker 1: somebody's watching on TV, You're going, oh, yeah, they must
Speaker 1: be diagramming blah blah blah blah. And some of the
Speaker 1: random comments that you hear in the huddle is really
Speaker 1: interesting and something that doesn't have hang to do with
Speaker 1: the game. And then I would always say, you know,
Speaker 1: George Carr would say all right, two down, and then
Speaker 1: they'd break and I go two down. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Gary Peyton, you know he's just gonna They're
Speaker 1: gonna go downstead of pick, He's gonna come out. And
Speaker 1: every huddle George Carl would say, two down. I'm you're
Speaker 1: not coaching. What are you doing? It was a simple play,
Speaker 1: but they kept running it over and over. Let's see
Speaker 1: get a couple of phone calls in here, then Doug
Speaker 1: Gottlie will join us in a studio. Get his thoughts
Speaker 1: on the NBA draft. There's still a lot of chatter
Speaker 1: about Kyrie irving. Where could he end up? What happens
Speaker 1: to kde if he leaves? So he's got six days
Speaker 1: and a source said this to me, Hey, Kyrie left
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen million dollars on the table. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated, but you know he had no problem
Speaker 1: with that. So does money matter to him? How much
Speaker 1: does it matter to him? Because we look and go
Speaker 1: would he walk away from thirty six thirty seven million
Speaker 1: dollars with the nets to go to the Lakers where
Speaker 1: he'd get paid six seven million dollars. Now, before you say, well,
Speaker 1: you'd never do that, first of all, you can't say
Speaker 1: never do that with Kyrie. Plus he would also he
Speaker 1: according to us or has said, he might look at
Speaker 1: walking away from thirty six million dollars with the nets,
Speaker 1: but he's walking away from them, not committing long term.
Speaker 1: Whereas the Lakers say, we only have six million dollars,
Speaker 1: but we're going to give that to you. As strange
Speaker 1: as that may sound, you can't say never with Kyrie Irvin.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Lebron wants him. And also I
Speaker 1: was told, you know, everybody says you can't trade Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1: You can, guys get traded. Russ has been traded a
Speaker 1: few times. John Wall has been traded. Like those salaries,
Speaker 1: you go, you're not going to get rid of that?
Speaker 1: Well you do? They somehow get rid of those contracts.
Speaker 1: John Wall is going to make forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 1: He plays as much as I do. I had a
Speaker 1: better season than he did, just shooting hoops out here
Speaker 1: in the man Cape. Yeah. Point, john Wall just opted
Speaker 1: in for yea, go figure. I've never seen this before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Basketball Reference has everyone who plays injury. Yeah, twenty one,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, John Wall did not play in Brackett's
Speaker 1: sat out. Yeah, I've never seen that before. Healthy scratch
Speaker 1: for a season. That's why it was like, Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you're gonna opt in. Nobody else is gonna be
Speaker 1: dumb enough to pay you forty seven million dollars. John
Speaker 1: Wall is at two hundred and thirty million, and he's
Speaker 1: got forty seven more coming next year. This is playing
Speaker 1: at John Wall's house. Stop salary, salary, salal salary. I
Speaker 1: think wherever John Wall goes he gets in his car,
Speaker 1: this is playing his cell phone ring. Is this chick
Speaker 1: it in? Yeah? Yeah. See when you when you're an
Speaker 1: NBA player, do you get paid twelve months out of
Speaker 1: the year or is it just in season that you
Speaker 1: get like bigger check. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 1: I think football is in season, Baseball in season. I
Speaker 1: don't know about bounce. It's like what that would end
Speaker 1: up being if it was over the course of the
Speaker 1: twelve months. It's like forty four million dollars a month
Speaker 1: or something like that. It doesn't sound as bad that
Speaker 1: you're paying a guy who's not playing for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a teacher's salary. You can get it all
Speaker 1: during the school year, or spread it through the summer,
Speaker 1: make it last. Yeah. I wouldn't do direct deposit. I'd
Speaker 1: want to check in the mail. I get up in
Speaker 1: the morning, all excited to take a shower, go to
Speaker 1: the mailbox. John almost loved going to the mailbox. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing he does that's as active as
Speaker 1: he is. What you do today deposited my check. His
Speaker 1: Christmas card list is like branch managers of banks all
Speaker 1: over the area. He's just getting them from Let's take
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Speaker 1: Update the poll results, more phone calls coming up. By
Speaker 1: the way, I went outside the trigger grills and Tyler
Speaker 1: is smoking the brisket for tomorrow. He said, it's twenty
Speaker 1: four hours smoked brisket. Oh buddy. And I said to
Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb or good buddy, wrong day to come in.
Speaker 1: You miss out on the brisket and meet Friday. I
Speaker 1: would stay, but me and Seton had a discussion. I
Speaker 1: have a daughter who she's a talented bassist, bass guitarist okay,
Speaker 1: and so I surprised her with tickets to see Primus
Speaker 1: tomorrow in Long Beach, California. Let's clay Pool famous. If
Speaker 1: you know bass or too many puppies anyway, So I
Speaker 1: would love to stay from meeting Friday. And I am
Speaker 1: kicking myself, but if you need anybody to test, I could.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be running. I just
Speaker 1: don't think. You know, it's twenty four hours. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I saw you got a notebook here,
Speaker 1: You've got notes here. Well, I just I don't want
Speaker 1: to screw it up. I mean, the big thing in
Speaker 1: the new Man Cave I've never been. This is incredible. Okay,
Speaker 1: is this how would you label this draft? This is
Speaker 1: good at draft as we've had since I've been doing it,
Speaker 1: and I've been doing it since two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Yeah, I think thousand and three
Speaker 1: is my first draft I did for the Mothership. Okay,
Speaker 1: but what makes this such a great draft. You have
Speaker 1: the potential of stars at the top. Then you have
Speaker 1: a good group of players in which I think there'll
Speaker 1: be a couple emerged as stars. And then you have
Speaker 1: a great depth of players. But you also have I
Speaker 1: even think within that first round, you know there's like
Speaker 1: a Jeremy Sohan's a kid out a Baylor who fits
Speaker 1: not necessarily what a superstar would look like. But a
Speaker 1: and I don't want to call him Draymond Green because
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be more talented offensively. But those super
Speaker 1: talented role polish star players Jalen Williams from Arkansas like
Speaker 1: guys that you're going to see in the playoffs for
Speaker 1: the next, you know, somewhere in the next ten years.
Speaker 1: I think you have just about everything yet young players
Speaker 1: are going to develop. You have some older players, a
Speaker 1: couple of foreign players, but that's not really the thrust
Speaker 1: of this draft. I just think it's the depth of
Speaker 1: overall talent. And then you get down the second round
Speaker 1: and you have some classic guys who you think, if
Speaker 1: they lose some weight, if they fit an NBA scheme,
Speaker 1: if they buy in, they improve their shooting, they're going
Speaker 1: to be those I just this is a really, really
Speaker 1: good draft. I mean, there's I don't know, did you
Speaker 1: see Notre Dame play. They have a kid, Blake Wesley.
Speaker 1: He's awesome, downhill combo guard like he's gonna go maybe
Speaker 1: late first maybe second round. That's a steal. Compare that
Speaker 1: to other drafts we've had where guys are just rushing
Speaker 1: in the process and we don't know we have. I
Speaker 1: think this is a really really deep, solid draft with
Speaker 1: star potential at the top. We'll talk about that potential
Speaker 1: here in a moment. Let me give the official introduction
Speaker 1: hosted The Gottleib Show on Fox Sports Radio, Basketball analysts,
Speaker 1: Westwood One Studio analyst. You know when we start to
Speaker 1: look at talent and drafting talent, you know where you
Speaker 1: have leagues that are copycat leagues, Like when the Greatest
Speaker 1: Show on Turf the Rams, everybody's like, we're going to
Speaker 1: be like the Rams. We have to have the personnel
Speaker 1: to be like the Rams. Golden State, Well, Golden State
Speaker 1: drafted most of these players. And can you see teams
Speaker 1: that are going to maybe move away from let's try
Speaker 1: to get two or three superstars or can you build
Speaker 1: in the draft? Oh? I think you can build a
Speaker 1: Celtish are built through the draft. Now. I think you
Speaker 1: can absolutely if you're smart. And I thought Danny Angel
Speaker 1: is exceptionally smart. I think Brad Stevens is smart. And
Speaker 1: obviously what Golden State and Bob has done is brilliant.
Speaker 1: The Golden State thing in terms of copying it, I
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to see that replicated you have to.
Speaker 1: You have to think about the two unicorns you have.
Speaker 1: It's not just that they're two talented stars that cheer
Speaker 1: root for each other's success and everybody else. Yet that's rare,
Speaker 1: but I do think that you'll occasionally will come upon
Speaker 1: those guys. But it's that they stayed in college for
Speaker 1: three years a piece, and they stayed because they were
Speaker 1: kind of underrated, undervalued. They also grew up in basketball
Speaker 1: households and played for savant like motion offensive coaches. So
Speaker 1: what they do they move without the basketball. We don't
Speaker 1: teach that basketball. I have a youth program, like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to teach them, but no one plays that way.
Speaker 1: Everything is with the ball downhill, and if you don't
Speaker 1: have the ball, it's about spacing and understanding where you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be for the next pass and the next past.
Speaker 1: You're not moving and reading a screen, you know, the
Speaker 1: way that you did when you were when you were
Speaker 1: a player, right like those days are motion offenses. It's
Speaker 1: not dead, but it's pretty dormant in youth basketball and
Speaker 1: high school basketball, especially college basketball. So I don't think
Speaker 1: you can replicate that in how they play. But I
Speaker 1: do think you can replicate some aspects of it, which
Speaker 1: is understanding. And I said at the time they when
Speaker 1: they traded for Angel Wiggins, I thought it was a
Speaker 1: home run. You know, it's thought a home run, and
Speaker 1: it's what a look. Nick Wright has has politely eaten
Speaker 1: his words because I've heard him on your show and
Speaker 1: he destroyed the trade. But he was viewing it from
Speaker 1: the wrong lens, right, he's viewing it from do you
Speaker 1: want Andrew Wiggins to have the ball to side? Game seven?
Speaker 1: An NBA finds like no, But didn't have to do
Speaker 1: that with the Warriors, right, he the fourth option, doesn't
Speaker 1: have to carry the burden of or anything. He just
Speaker 1: go play. And when he played, that's what changed in
Speaker 1: that series. Like he started to play, they won the series.
Speaker 1: So again, but it's about finding the right roles. And
Speaker 1: I think you have some guys, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what you can do if you're trying to copy Golden State,
Speaker 1: is can you draft a guy? And I know in
Speaker 1: the NFL they say don't reach for a need. It's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a need, but putting somebody in a position
Speaker 1: to best succeed, and that doesn't mean drafting them and
Speaker 1: handing them the basketball to be something that they're not
Speaker 1: good enough at the top of the league. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the part that you can copy. That's why
Speaker 1: you might overdraft at Jaylen Williams or Jeremy Sohan, because
Speaker 1: though they don't have as much god given talent to score,
Speaker 1: it's all the other things that actual help you win.
Speaker 1: And you start to look at need and need over talent,
Speaker 1: and I always go, I just want a guy who
Speaker 1: can play, because basketball is positioned list Now, now you
Speaker 1: just can you play? Jade n Ivey, I don't know
Speaker 1: what position, but he can play. Now, somebody might go, well,
Speaker 1: we have too many guys at that position. Where do
Speaker 1: you stand on need versus talent? Well, yes, you can play.
Speaker 1: But here's the big thing. Okay, can you guard multiple positions?
Speaker 1: That's a huge thing. Like what Wiggins, right, But any
Speaker 1: of these guys okay, so like look at Golden State.
Speaker 1: They have one guy who's not particularly good defensively, and
Speaker 1: then Jordan Pools the other and Steph for his lack
Speaker 1: of size and strength, he does try so that helps him.
Speaker 1: But but you gotta hide him, right, he doesn't switch.
Speaker 1: You can't hide too. It's really hard to get hard
Speaker 1: to have smaller players. And one of the things we
Speaker 1: make a big mistake on as fans and I think
Speaker 1: sometimes analysts, we only look at one side the floor.
Speaker 1: The guy can't guard anybody, he can't play in this league.
Speaker 1: You have to be so good on offense. James harden right,
Speaker 1: it'll be so good. And James harden Is when he
Speaker 1: was right, was otherworldly. And I don't know if we
Speaker 1: have a guy like that. So when you start getting
Speaker 1: past these superstar potential guys, if you can't guard, you
Speaker 1: can't play. So that just like crosses you off the list, right,
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that was a that's still been a
Speaker 1: limiting factor with Jordan poole Is. He didn't guard anybody,
Speaker 1: and he's getting better at it, but he still doesn't
Speaker 1: really guard Anyboddy. So you can have one of those guys.
Speaker 1: That guy better be your best player, you know. So
Speaker 1: I think, yes, I don't think you have to worry
Speaker 1: about positions per se, but there are technically positions like
Speaker 1: the question for Chat Holmgren. He's got incredible what's called
Speaker 1: functional length. You know what that is, well you can
Speaker 1: handle he can know well functional So everybody thinks about
Speaker 1: it like your wingspan. Yeah, okay, in basketball or in sports,
Speaker 1: your functional length is from your elbow to the top
Speaker 1: of your fingertips, right if you put your elbows next
Speaker 1: to your stomach. He has unbelievable functional So that allows
Speaker 1: him to just get his hands on basketballs to fleck things.
Speaker 1: It's allow him to get his shot off more often.
Speaker 1: Like all of those things are important. Is he a
Speaker 1: five where he defends the rim and he's in drop coverage? Probably,
Speaker 1: But he's so light and so thin, and what does
Speaker 1: he look like when you put twenty five pounds on him?
Speaker 1: Because he has narrow shoulders and a little bit of
Speaker 1: a hunchback. He has all the check marks in terms
Speaker 1: of competitiveness and skill and length, and I think he'll
Speaker 1: shoot the ball better at the next level, but I
Speaker 1: wonder where that size goes. And his shoulders are really narrow,
Speaker 1: and the people want to compare him to Kevin Durant, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's also a unicorn, but he's always handled it better.
Speaker 1: And frankly, Kevin was a better rebounder at Texas and
Speaker 1: a better shooter score, So I don't think that's the comparison.
Speaker 1: So yes, you want guys that can play, but you
Speaker 1: got the old guard somebody you got to figure out.
Speaker 1: You know, there's really two positions defensively, right, which is
Speaker 1: you're defending the rim or you're one through four. You're
Speaker 1: switching everything. So you have to be you have to
Speaker 1: be able to fit into that in terms of positions,
Speaker 1: and then you gotta be able to shoot. If you
Speaker 1: can't shoot, you better be able to get to that rim.
Speaker 1: And the Ivy thing is interesting because he can really guard,
Speaker 1: really guard. Great athlete gets the rim improving shooter, but
Speaker 1: he can make up for it because he's such a
Speaker 1: freak athlete. His thing is can he be a leader
Speaker 1: of a team because he's fairly quiet and if you
Speaker 1: watch Purdue play, he was almost set aside from the
Speaker 1: rest of him. He didn't feel like he was in
Speaker 1: on the Purdue thing. That was a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I don't need him to
Speaker 1: be a leader. I just want him to be a continent.
Speaker 1: You know, Clay Thompson's not a leader. Lay just show
Speaker 1: us up in plays, yes, But but Clay also doesn't
Speaker 1: have the ball all the time, right, There's a difference,
Speaker 1: like if you have the ball all the time. There's
Speaker 1: a certain leadership aspect to it. You are who your
Speaker 1: best player is. Jayden's going to demand the ball and
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna take the best defensive assignment. Defensively, I
Speaker 1: think he'll be really, really good. I'm just my only
Speaker 1: two concerns with him is his shot is not He's
Speaker 1: really improved it, and that's a big thing from one
Speaker 1: year one to year two. It takes him a little while.
Speaker 1: But it's more the interacting he's he's a little standoffish
Speaker 1: in terms of personality wise. That's nitpicking. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a fourth or fifth or I know, I know Indiana.
Speaker 1: He will not get past six. Then they'll probably do
Speaker 1: everything their power to move up again. Would you take
Speaker 1: homegrown number one? No? No, I take Jabari one. Okay,
Speaker 1: no matter who that team is. I mean, but because
Speaker 1: Jabari is a guy who you can you can play anywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Chet a little bit more limited, but look, Chet has
Speaker 1: an incredibly high ceiling, probably a lower floor. I think
Speaker 1: the question is number two. Really it's Polo or Chet.
Speaker 1: Polo's like he's a little bit older, but he's ready now, ready, now,
Speaker 1: he's ready. Now he's you don't even need the microwave.
Speaker 1: Just throw him out there. He's ready to go and
Speaker 1: he'll get your buckets. Great body, but better than Jabari.
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit better now. I think
Speaker 1: Jabari though, has a higher ceiling and Jabari has all
Speaker 1: those other check marks. All right, let me get a
Speaker 1: couple of we're talking to Doug Gottlieb the NETS situation.
Speaker 1: How does this end? I mean, I think I think
Speaker 1: they I don't know. Um. I think they go as
Speaker 1: they are. I think they try one more shot with
Speaker 1: as they're currently constructed. You know, But that comes down
Speaker 1: to what does Kyrie opt in? Because they're not. I
Speaker 1: don't think that if you listen to Sean Marks's words
Speaker 1: all of those things. He said he wanted guys that
Speaker 1: are committed, right guys to show up. They play for
Speaker 1: each other. That was direct shots across the ballot. Who
Speaker 1: Kyrie is and you know, I just and he's not.
Speaker 1: Kyrie's no dummy, and he does these guys take everything personally.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't take it personally, says okay, I'll show everybody.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought you pointed out, well, like Kyrie's
Speaker 1: he's a wild card. Like no literally, no one has
Speaker 1: any idea, what he's thinking of what he's doing. Now,
Speaker 1: he's Tyson zone, right, doesn't Isn't that the experiaver there?
Speaker 1: The Tyson zone is that Bill Simmons Bill Simmons deal
Speaker 1: where there's no story about Mike Tyson you wouldn't believe
Speaker 1: to be true. Right. Well, it's like Rodman zone too, right,
Speaker 1: the same thing, right, well, the same thing with with
Speaker 1: with Kyrie. There's nothing he would do that would surprise you.
Speaker 1: Can the Lakers stand pat and be a playoff to
Speaker 1: a damaging playoff tune? No, No, that thing is a
Speaker 1: disaster with Russell Westbrook. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
Speaker 1: They can soft sell out of that destroyed the entire
Speaker 1: fabric of that team because it was a choice that
Speaker 1: Lebron made. Right, They were going to get Buddy Heel
Speaker 1: and they said no, no, no, no, we want control
Speaker 1: over this thing. Yang. They and they met with several players.
Speaker 1: It's been well documented. DeMar Derozen thought he was going there.
Speaker 1: They hand picked Russell Westbrook, and then when they figured
Speaker 1: out Russell Westbrook can't play and they can't can't play
Speaker 1: with him, and they distanced themselves like he was on
Speaker 1: an Island last year. And you know how Lebron acts,
Speaker 1: like when Lebron's done with you, done done with you, right,
Speaker 1: there's no like interacting. He doesn't, he doesn't like, he's
Speaker 1: not confrontational. He's just not India and he and into him.
Speaker 1: So no, they can't stay. Why did they have to
Speaker 1: trade for him to realize that he couldn't play? Don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't like It'd say whoever, whoever okayed that decision.
Speaker 1: They all should be gone, but they're not. And they
Speaker 1: they fired Frank and you know, Frank was a good
Speaker 1: enough coach to win him a championship and then they
Speaker 1: destroyed everything that he built. It was mismatch parts didn't
Speaker 1: but the biggest part was that you had Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't defend, He couldn't shoot, he wouldn't buy
Speaker 1: into defensive rotations. He wasn't a good teammate. And when
Speaker 1: they were in the bubble, they had incredible culture. That's
Speaker 1: why they won, not because they were the best team.
Speaker 1: So what do you do with Westbrook? I would trade him,
Speaker 1: I would I mean, or you know, buy him out
Speaker 1: and stretch him. You know, that's where he did with
Speaker 1: lou All dang. And that's why he did it with
Speaker 1: lou all dang because he didn't want to round you. No,
Speaker 1: I think he's kissed now off the boat. Okay, but
Speaker 1: but who wants Russell Westbrook? No? Nobody? Yeah no, But
Speaker 1: I mean there's talk that Oklahoma City might because they
Speaker 1: need they need the salary, right, they're so far underneath
Speaker 1: the salary cap. I just I don't I don't see
Speaker 1: that one. I see that that being poisoned to the
Speaker 1: young guys they're trying to build around. I mean, what
Speaker 1: does it say about Houston that they and Paulli pointed
Speaker 1: this one out right that he's played what is it
Speaker 1: sixty games now in john Wall in three years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know they'd rather him not be around the
Speaker 1: team and pay him forty five now forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 1: It's crazy and play it's crazy. It's the greatest country
Speaker 1: on earth, Kevin Durant looking at what's Steph Curry just accomplished?
Speaker 1: And what is Katie thirty four? Yeah? So do you
Speaker 1: think it takes away from KD? Yes? Why? Well, he
Speaker 1: had to join Steph Steph one without him twice. Steph
Speaker 1: finally got his finals MVP we saw, we saw the final,
Speaker 1: had a second one. You saw the two finals, right,
Speaker 1: he was in three? Who was the best player in
Speaker 1: the floor, Katie. Okay, that's with leron James. He was
Speaker 1: the best player and then in the finals he got
Speaker 1: hurt in they were floundering. Katie plays one half of
Speaker 1: one game before getting hurt. He was the best player. Like,
Speaker 1: I get it, Like, look, Steph's incredible and it and
Speaker 1: part of it is Katie takes everything so personally. But
Speaker 1: at some point, wouldn't you You're like, look, dude, I
Speaker 1: was on that team. I was the best player. Everybody
Speaker 1: knew his best player. Steph knew was the best player
Speaker 1: American k who was the best player. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: on the team and they win. It's great, But that
Speaker 1: takes away from me. No, it should just continue to
Speaker 1: point out how great they are in that organization. Is
Speaker 1: who's had a better career, a better career Kevin Durant?
Speaker 1: Did the Olympics not happen? Who cares about the Olympics.
Speaker 1: I could have gotten a gold medal on that team.
Speaker 1: They would not have won if Kevin Durant and they
Speaker 1: would not have won. Did you watch? Who care? I
Speaker 1: was there at the end. I know you were covering
Speaker 1: the Olympics. About the Olympics. I'm just saying, look, I'm
Speaker 1: you know that Sue Bird's the greatest basketball player of
Speaker 1: all time. You're using the nost of the Olympics. I
Speaker 1: got all I got to throw in the Olympics. She's
Speaker 1: been on what five gold medal team? Coming on? No,
Speaker 1: but but when you're around the boss, when you're around
Speaker 1: the best players, and they all say the best player.
Speaker 1: He was the leading scorer on the Dream team. He
Speaker 1: wasn't the best player. Who was the leading scorer? Who
Speaker 1: was the alpha on that team? Mike was Okay, So
Speaker 1: that that's really the point I'm saying. He did lead,
Speaker 1: he led the team in score. Okay. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: has a better resume than kd resume. I'm not you didn't.
Speaker 1: You didn't say resume. You said you said, who's had
Speaker 1: a better career? That's resume. The resume is not career,
Speaker 1: Yes it is? Is it? How do you define a career?
Speaker 1: I gotta look at your resume? No, I would I
Speaker 1: would it to me, it's more like like he's led
Speaker 1: the league in scoring? Was it five times? He's won?
Speaker 1: He's been the best player to gold Melt team. He's
Speaker 1: been a finals MVP. You know, he took Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: to the to the finals and with that, with that
Speaker 1: young crew, and and what he did, like going back
Speaker 1: to last year and Harden was hurt and Kyrie gets
Speaker 1: hurt as well. Shocker here, right, Yeah, I mean Game
Speaker 1: seven by a toe on the line, he nearly nearly
Speaker 1: puts them through to the NBA Finals against the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 1: Like that guy. To me, it's like we we just
Speaker 1: we want to find a way to diminish things Kd's done.
Speaker 1: He's a great player. He's this generation's Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
Speaker 1: Can I hit you with it right ready? Unstoppable shot,
Speaker 1: much like the skyhook is pull up jump shots. Unstoppable,
Speaker 1: kind of uncomfortably socially and like you're pointing out, I
Speaker 1: don't think he'll ever be truly recognized for as great
Speaker 1: a player as he is. I think Kareem's most underrated
Speaker 1: player NBA history, And I think I think twenty years
Speaker 1: from now, we'll probably look back and say the same
Speaker 1: thing about Kevin Durand now the difference is to his
Speaker 1: own decision, right, He'll leave Golden State and to buy
Speaker 1: into Kyrie and want to play with friends. But I
Speaker 1: think that's much what we're gonna say twenty years from now,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, man, you know who was actually the
Speaker 1: best was actually Kevin Durant was the best player in
Speaker 1: the league for like a five years stand span there,
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt and he had all this
Speaker 1: other stuff going on, and you're like, yeah, but he
Speaker 1: didn't do that gets in the nuance. I think that's
Speaker 1: why he's this generation's kareem. Good to see you can
Speaker 1: I there's no meats at all. No. Do people know
Speaker 1: how sick this play is? Uh? See? I think the
Speaker 1: way they shoot it because you're sitting there, it looks
Speaker 1: like the old place. Yes, this is spectacular. If you
Speaker 1: have Oklahoma State, Doug Gottlieb Jersey and you want to
Speaker 1: hang it in here, I have one bone to pick
Speaker 1: for you. Look, how long has Fritzie been with you? Uh?
Speaker 1: Twenty years? How long has PAULI been with you? I
Speaker 1: don't know, fifteen? Okay, seton? Uh it's like that's fifteen thirteen.
Speaker 1: How come they didn't get a part in uh in
Speaker 1: the movie. Sadler Sandler, No, no, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: a Philly movie in Mclubbin's from Philly. But if Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick calls no, no, I don't do that Todd Fritz.
Speaker 1: How does Todd Fritz not have an appearance in him
Speaker 1: in another movie? But movies? Have I got you guys
Speaker 1: in three? Three movies? Just I just want to put like,
Speaker 1: this is not for me, this is for them. It
Speaker 1: is better than that, you know, I just know the
Speaker 1: answer before you asked the question. And I've gotten him.
Speaker 1: Then They've been in three movies. All of them, yes,
Speaker 1: all of them. Okay, but the Sandlers movie is really
Speaker 1: really good, I know. And you're kind of the gatekeeper.
Speaker 1: That's what everybody says, you're the gatekeeper. So I want
Speaker 1: to know what Fritzie did because I've been looking at
Speaker 1: the guest list and it's been spectacular. And is he
Speaker 1: trying to get back into the get back on the
Speaker 1: movie circuit. I don't know what's going on. Fritzie's known
Speaker 1: as the Big Segment, you know, he comes up with
Speaker 1: the guests Big Segment, that's his nickname. If you're watching
Speaker 1: on Peacock, Doug will be putting on a shooting display
Speaker 1: out here in the man cap Oh doing this again. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's only you can. But now you don't have the
Speaker 1: low roof. Yeah, well let's see what you can do
Speaker 1: back after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick
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Speaker 1: out there, took some shots at me too, this day
Speaker 1: in sports history. Doug staying with us as we close
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Speaker 1: I shot them all, Well, there you shot how it
Speaker 1: really was? All right? Yeah? They did all right? All right?
Speaker 1: I wish I shot the ball Walter Davis, by the ways,
Speaker 1: who Tom mcclouds, I want to shoot the ball like
Speaker 1: Walter Davis, to get your elbows in there, left hand
Speaker 1: forward late. Great, John McCloud is, yeah, great, man. It's
Speaker 1: not a basketball player. Yeah, Tommy had a shoot of basketball.
Speaker 1: That's not good. Not a great idea. Yeah. So what
Speaker 1: happens tonight? Any what's the biggest surprise that happens tonight
Speaker 1: with the NBA Draft? In your opinion? I think there'll
Speaker 1: be a they'll be an all Star trade tonight, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's that's I think the question, right, um, you know,
Speaker 1: the Washington wild That's that's the one that I that
Speaker 1: you sit there and go he's already made up his mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought the trade between Detroit and
Speaker 1: Portland was interesting going back to yesterday, right, Um, But
Speaker 1: I think Beale, if Beal's not gonna resign or is
Speaker 1: going to sign in trade with Washington, it happens tonight.
Speaker 1: So that that's the one to watch. Would you take
Speaker 1: a big swing if you're Golden State and say, because
Speaker 1: I don't know about these younger guys, so I don't
Speaker 1: know if Wiseman can play. Um, you know, I like pool.
Speaker 1: They're gonna resign Wiggins. But would you take a swing
Speaker 1: and try to get Bradley Bull? What do I have
Speaker 1: to give up? Well, that's what I don't know what
Speaker 1: Washington wants in reach. I would say, yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean like does he want do they want cominga?
Speaker 1: And what if you game COMMINGA and pool? And you
Speaker 1: got Bradley ball done done tomorrow. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that's going to be enough for Brad for Brad beal
Speaker 1: This day in sports history, PAULI, what do you have for?
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy two, US President Richard Nixon signed the Higher
Speaker 1: Education Act Title nine is It's called? And nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: Michael Johnson, the sprinter, brooke the two hundred record and
Speaker 1: ran at nineteen point six six secres. The Rockets on
Speaker 1: this day traded Elvin Hayes to the Bullets for Jack Marron.
Speaker 1: How did that work out? Ouch? Although Jack Merrin great shooter,
Speaker 1: that Elvin Hayes one of the great players of all time.
Speaker 1: Final results of the poll question there seating O'Connor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which sport is the most difficult to officiate? Right now?
Speaker 1: Football is winning thirty seven percent. Hockey and basketball are tied.
Speaker 1: You want to weigh in on that, dog, I think
Speaker 1: basketball is the hardest. Different hockey at it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to understand half it anyway, So, I
Speaker 1: mean I watched last night. It was pretty great. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, I would say between basketball and football and baseball,
Speaker 1: I think basketball far and away because there's so much contact,
Speaker 1: especially the way it's played now. There's so much contact
Speaker 1: on every play and contact is supposed to be a foul,
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to determine. And I get it.
Speaker 1: Football's hard, but football there's enough officials and you're looking
Speaker 1: at a specific play or specific area. I think football
Speaker 1: is liberty. If I you got thirty seconds, so I
Speaker 1: took away the three point shot in the NBA, who
Speaker 1: would be the team to beat. Who's got guys who
Speaker 1: can score? Probably the Lakers, right, because you got two
Speaker 1: guys that can score. It got two monsters down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's an interesting one. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: move it back, do you move it out? My late
Speaker 1: father thought you move it out, you expand the court.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they do that with the seating.
Speaker 1: I just want to see move They do move They honestly,
Speaker 1: you go in and then you kick out. They move
Speaker 1: way more now than they did. Go back and watch
Speaker 1: games twenty five thirty years ago. They actually moved way
Speaker 1: more now. Well, twenty five thirty years ago they that
Speaker 1: was well. They did basketball. They did isoball. I mean
Speaker 1: when Jordan was first in league, it was isoball right.
Speaker 1: Even even the triangle is a it's a it has
Speaker 1: ball movement, but at the end of the day it's
Speaker 1: isolation and set spacing. I actually think there's more ball
Speaker 1: movement now they used to be it's drive and kick.
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