Speaker 1: Hey everybody. I am Davion Rogers. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: day Vaughn. Hey boo, and hello guys. I'm Devin Simone
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. And if you're
Speaker 1: wondering why sound a little different this week, it's because
Speaker 1: I'm coming to you from a closet. I am that
Speaker 1: committed to the craft and getting this interview for you.
Speaker 1: I've been sipping on some egg nogs, so don't judge me,
Speaker 1: but this is gonna be a super fun episode. Yeay,
Speaker 1: are you excited about this one? I am, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: our guest. I have been waiting to interview this person.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited they decided to come hang out with us.
Speaker 1: Sick in all it's sick and on. We don't mean
Speaker 1: sick in the head, we mean or something. But yes,
Speaker 1: they came to hang out with us. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: so fun this episode. A lot happened. It's you know,
Speaker 1: I while I hated to see the results of Bessie
Speaker 1: Versus not like of Nelson's Home, I actually really love
Speaker 1: poetic movies and seasons. What I mean by that is
Speaker 1: the fact that we saw there these two friends go
Speaker 1: against each other once before and it kind of broke
Speaker 1: up their friendship, and then we see them reunite this season,
Speaker 1: and then like poetically, it comes back together and then
Speaker 1: they have to go each other at each other again.
Speaker 1: I just love. It just makes for really good, compelling
Speaker 1: TV in my opinion. And so it sucks though because
Speaker 1: so hate to see him go, but it just made
Speaker 1: for such an interesting story. There was so much going
Speaker 1: on here. Let's get into the gold star and the
Speaker 1: time out because this episode had me with my jaw
Speaker 1: on the floor. It was a lot. And also I
Speaker 1: do want to say shout out to miss D and
Speaker 1: s D who had tweeted me her gold stars and timeouts.
Speaker 1: I love people started including, um, this is for last week,
Speaker 1: but they were saying that her gold star goes to
Speaker 1: Nelly because he's killing it this season. So I love
Speaker 1: when people do that. And she had a whole list
Speaker 1: of timeouts of Amber, Jacy, Chauncey, Bonny death I mean,
Speaker 1: and then a special f you to Jordan. So Missy
Speaker 1: and Test and then Meals TV also tweeted me from
Speaker 1: last week. His time out was to Chauncey. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: Make sure you keep hitting us up on socials. We
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, I would say that my gold star
Speaker 1: actually goes to Team Underdogs. We love a good underdog,
Speaker 1: and they really pulled it out. And I also love
Speaker 1: to see the way the boys went back to help
Speaker 1: bring the girls forward and like they really made it
Speaker 1: a team effort. I think that that meant so much.
Speaker 1: I my time out actually goes to Nanners and my
Speaker 1: shade my Shady Boots Award goes to the editors. This
Speaker 1: is what I mean. The fact that they highlighted that
Speaker 1: banana that someone on the team said, should we go
Speaker 1: help the girls and banana and Midwater goes no, and
Speaker 1: they even put it in the subtitles. It's so petty
Speaker 1: to me, but hilarious on time out to Nanners for
Speaker 1: being like, nah, they got this, we don't need to
Speaker 1: do now. I'm sure his intention wasn't malicious in my mind,
Speaker 1: like I bet he just thought they got it. But
Speaker 1: seeing Nat compared to the other team who was all
Speaker 1: about supporting their team, it's just really kind of funny.
Speaker 1: I know the actor was like, y'all gonna blame us
Speaker 1: for while you lost, we got Chopananda's right here being
Speaker 1: like nope, and they even I think, put his name
Speaker 1: semi poland no to make it clear that he said no.
Speaker 1: Go back and watch it. Um. But then the other
Speaker 1: shady boots honorable mention goes to Jordan Toria terrorists now,
Speaker 1: and I got no means believe she's a terrorist. But
Speaker 1: somebody had said that about me. Just the way that
Speaker 1: Jordan said it and was so melodramatic was larious. I
Speaker 1: do not negotiate with terrorists. Boy, if you don't sit down. Hilarious.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and he may said he had had his chair.
Speaker 1: That was okay. It was so funny. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of really great moments. I feel like we had
Speaker 1: all the fields with this episode, between funny, surprising, a
Speaker 1: little heartbreaking. Inspired with Nelson and his send off, I mean,
Speaker 1: they treated this man like a war hero and lit
Speaker 1: in the episode. Um. But I'm not gonna say it
Speaker 1: wasn't hurt. And I think that's because even coming up
Speaker 1: until this point, producers included probably I can't speak for them,
Speaker 1: but probably thought it was his season to win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really did, really did. They were unstoppable at a moment,
Speaker 1: and so I'm so glad that we got him on
Speaker 1: this episode just for you guys, gives us some behind
Speaker 1: the scenes tea days. Asking the hard hitting questions, we
Speaker 1: find out just how well he knows the Reese. Yes, don't, don't.
Speaker 1: Don't put a bet on whether or not you can
Speaker 1: tell the answers right I'm gonna just tell you right now,
Speaker 1: and we get down to the needy, greedy of Aqua
Speaker 1: Amber situation. Hey, because it's not about the barking the
Speaker 1: dog's hey. Okay, So stay tuned. You're not gonna want
Speaker 1: to miss a very special edition of MTV's Efficient Challenging podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, we say, grab a snack, but don't go
Speaker 1: anywhere because we got an interview with Scuba Nelly T
Speaker 1: coming up right after this. Get your snack and come back.
Speaker 1: Oh you guys, do we have a treat for you today?
Speaker 1: What's a treat today? I am so excited. We have
Speaker 1: the infamous, the legendary, the iconic. Home know him as
Speaker 1: Scuba Nellie T. Other people know him as Spider Nellie.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm gonna say, I'm calling him
Speaker 1: Nellie Robbins. You know, if you know Tony Robbins, there
Speaker 1: is now Nellie Robbins the motivational speaker. Either way, we
Speaker 1: have the iconic Nelson Thomas on the podcast here with
Speaker 1: us today. Hi Nelson, Hey, what's up? What's up everyone?
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. That was such a
Speaker 1: great intro. I hope I live up to the names.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's get the ball roll in. We're so glad.
Speaker 1: Thank you for making this happen. I know you weren't
Speaker 1: feeling well and get you coming out like the true
Speaker 1: Challenge legend. I mean, granted I had to d M
Speaker 1: your ass few times. You made it. You made it here.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I think she made it here. This was
Speaker 1: such um. I feel like this is one of those
Speaker 1: episodes that will will be memorable for many years to come,
Speaker 1: Like it was a standout episode for many a reason.
Speaker 1: It was sad to see you go, but the here
Speaker 1: send off that you got was just wow iconic. Um.
Speaker 1: First of yeah, go ahead, day Yeah. Before we even
Speaker 1: get into this, I just want to say, Nelson, I
Speaker 1: am so proud of you. This season right here was
Speaker 1: your season. So it sucks because you know you're going home.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you put that she in that head,
Speaker 1: that everything all the way to the sky. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: right here was your season, Like you should be so
Speaker 1: proud of yourself, Like it's out of control. I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of you, and I want you to know that.
Speaker 1: Who thank you so much. Thank you. Now, don't hold
Speaker 1: on to this and let your ego get big next
Speaker 1: season and bring you right back down, back down, And
Speaker 1: don't don't get too big for this episode because I
Speaker 1: still need to tell you where you went wrong. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get into that too. Hey, you know what I
Speaker 1: tell me everything I went wrong. I'm writing it down.
Speaker 1: You know. I don't make the same mistake twice, hopefully. Nelson,
Speaker 1: What do you think it was that allowed you to
Speaker 1: really like? What was different for you coming into this season?
Speaker 1: You know we saw fifty four straight dailies losses. I
Speaker 1: know you've heard it about and then and here you
Speaker 1: were just crushing it time after time after time after time.
Speaker 1: What do you think the difference was for you? Did
Speaker 1: you do anything differently or trained differently? What was the change? Man?
Speaker 1: You know I've gotten that question a lot, and to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, it just came in the right time.
Speaker 1: Timing is everything, you know, These challenges, they they evolved,
Speaker 1: they changed, and you have to learn how to adapt
Speaker 1: which every situation you're giving. And you know, this being
Speaker 1: my ninth season, and I've learned a lot from all
Speaker 1: these vets, and I took a lot of notes down
Speaker 1: and it's took me a long time, and I hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten a gotten it all down just yet. But I
Speaker 1: just had a different kind of confidence going into every challenge.
Speaker 1: You know, once you believe in yourself and you don't
Speaker 1: have any self doubt and you not up there in
Speaker 1: the air about to jump off of building shaking, just know,
Speaker 1: when you've been there, be done there. I've swam there ground,
Speaker 1: I've fozen, I've caught hypothermia. Like what else can you
Speaker 1: do to me that I have not done? So it's
Speaker 1: like I went in there with a whole different kind
Speaker 1: of confidence and having a great partner like Norris that
Speaker 1: believed in you. And then second, guess you just gave
Speaker 1: me all more to just you know, want it more
Speaker 1: and just like, hey, I'm the captain of the ship.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these bets like Johnny Nanni and Durrell
Speaker 1: coming in, I was like, you can't tell me what
Speaker 1: to do in it more. I've listened. I've you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. And that's the thing back then,
Speaker 1: when you come in as a rookie and even two
Speaker 1: or three seasons and you still don't know, you still
Speaker 1: don't know. You've seen things you've never seen before, and
Speaker 1: you know TJ. He's always got something around the corner
Speaker 1: that you've never seen, and it's like, damn, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it, man. It was a confidence in myself
Speaker 1: to no doubt and just believing in me. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely saw that. There's brought out a certain sprinkle
Speaker 1: in you. Like this season right here was just I
Speaker 1: can't even say it enough, go ahead about to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you did, you did an excellent job. When did
Speaker 1: you start to feel because you're someone that we've seen
Speaker 1: on the cover of posters, I've seen bands talking about it.
Speaker 1: You know, you've been in certain ways kind of the
Speaker 1: face of the challenge even until more rookie years. When
Speaker 1: you got in this house, though, what was the moment
Speaker 1: that things started to click differently for you where you
Speaker 1: started to recognize maybe the momentum you had or kind
Speaker 1: of the tie it's finally changing. And then part two
Speaker 1: of that question is how did you handle the power
Speaker 1: or what were your thoughts around that, because we've heard
Speaker 1: that people like Bananas were actually trying not to win
Speaker 1: certain dailies because they didn't want to put a target
Speaker 1: on their back by having, you know, to pick four
Speaker 1: people to be going too interrogation all that stuff. So
Speaker 1: how did you navigate that power, you know, to really
Speaker 1: make it work for you? Because it seemed like a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't hate you at the end for
Speaker 1: the amount of times that you won dailies and had
Speaker 1: to nominate people and had to vote people in. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that can create a lot of enemies, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like you created a lot. Now it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: some We're gonna get to your relationship with the Livia
Speaker 1: in a minute, But how did you know? I'm a
Speaker 1: holding behind to that, But how how did you navigate
Speaker 1: that power? And when did you recognize that, like, this
Speaker 1: may be your season once you were in the house.
Speaker 1: You know, that was the difficult part about this season
Speaker 1: because with all the power you had, you had a
Speaker 1: lot of response stabilities and either way you were going
Speaker 1: to hurt somebody because we had so many ties in
Speaker 1: the house. But I was such in a great position
Speaker 1: with the Vets, and the Reach was in great position
Speaker 1: with the rookies, and so was I. So it kind
Speaker 1: of when people say they didn't try to win, you know,
Speaker 1: it played in their favor if you think that last season,
Speaker 1: I didn't win that one challenge, but I went all
Speaker 1: the way to the final. So a lot of history
Speaker 1: in connections with these people got your long way in
Speaker 1: the game. I knew my bonds with these people were
Speaker 1: strong because I always kept it one hundred. I was
Speaker 1: always honest. I always spoke from the heart and I
Speaker 1: kept it real. And that's one thing a lot of
Speaker 1: people respect about me. And once you people's respect in
Speaker 1: the house, you know, moving further in the game is like, yo,
Speaker 1: you just don't want to make the wrong move or
Speaker 1: upset the wrong people. If you win, you have to
Speaker 1: say all these names. So I'm like, why are we
Speaker 1: gonna put ourselves in the position we're in and when
Speaker 1: we are in the best position right now. But being
Speaker 1: a rookie, the Rees didn't know that, and um, she
Speaker 1: just wanted to win, you know. And I love that
Speaker 1: about her. I loved that about her because my rookie
Speaker 1: season going in with Corey Hunter and all them you know,
Speaker 1: we saw no fear and nobody we want to win
Speaker 1: everything daily's eliminations. But yeah, that's a rookie. That's that's
Speaker 1: how you knew you're a rookie in the game, because
Speaker 1: like there's it's not about winning challenges, it's about winning
Speaker 1: finals and staying out of elimination that comes within time
Speaker 1: because you go in there with being an alpha male
Speaker 1: or female. Want to be the king or queen or
Speaker 1: take the throne away. That's what we all did. We
Speaker 1: all want that position. We all there's a reason why
Speaker 1: everybody goes after the bananas. There's a reason why everybody
Speaker 1: goes out there. Yes for you, but yes, really really quick,
Speaker 1: just real quick, no, because I just want to tap
Speaker 1: into this just because it's been a conversation in these
Speaker 1: Twitter streets, right, and so I want to give you
Speaker 1: the opportunity to clarify it. So you made a comment
Speaker 1: where you said just now that you played a very
Speaker 1: honest game, and you were very honest with people, and
Speaker 1: you were straightforward and you said what you had to say, right,
Speaker 1: So why is it that Chauncey and Amber were so
Speaker 1: adamant about you lied to them the entire time of
Speaker 1: your game, you lied to them. What was that about? So?
Speaker 1: And not to clear that out is because Amber pulls
Speaker 1: me to the sides. Hey, Nelson, I got you, and
Speaker 1: you got me and I and I told her yes.
Speaker 1: I did tell her yes. But she also had to
Speaker 1: realize that I had alliance already, so I couldn't put
Speaker 1: you in front of the alliance I already had going
Speaker 1: into the house and in front of the rookies. There
Speaker 1: was a list. There was a list, and Amber wasn't
Speaker 1: my number one, and she wasn't my number two. She
Speaker 1: wasn't my number three or four, but she was on
Speaker 1: You told her that to her face. Nelson, by the way, yeah,
Speaker 1: but did you tell her though before you put her
Speaker 1: in interrogation though, because she seemed genuinely because you said
Speaker 1: that she was taken aback in interrogation, you were like,
Speaker 1: you're not my number one, my two, three, four, and
Speaker 1: she as she's like telling you you were my number one.
Speaker 1: When she first came to you and pulled you aside
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know I got you got me,
Speaker 1: did you at least let her know then that she
Speaker 1: wasn't in the top four or when she when she
Speaker 1: came to me with that proposition. But I say, I
Speaker 1: got you, got me? No, I did not tell her
Speaker 1: she was in my top four, top five. I said,
Speaker 1: I got you. That's it. You know, it doesn't I
Speaker 1: don't have to spill everything I have, you know, because
Speaker 1: that's not the name of the game. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: when it came to these rookies and people I did
Speaker 1: not know or didn't have the alliance with, yes, I
Speaker 1: got you. Now, if me and Amber were spoke hard
Speaker 1: before the game and had this allignance which I had
Speaker 1: with the people already, then that she wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: in that position. But you came to me into the house.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the viewers and the fans need
Speaker 1: to realize, is that, like these alliances are getting made
Speaker 1: before the game, right yeah, So you gotta realize, like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say, Okay, I got this,
Speaker 1: this this is but Amber, you fall number six. So
Speaker 1: in Amber's head already, if I was to tell her that,
Speaker 1: what do you think she's gonna think? Right? Right right right?
Speaker 1: That's fair, right, that's it, that's really fair. Now about
Speaker 1: the messy side of your game, because I remember I
Speaker 1: went in on you a couple episodes ago on the
Speaker 1: podcast about that moment with Amber because she seems so
Speaker 1: genuine and because yeah, you dug the knife in a
Speaker 1: little bit broke, because like when she's saying you're my
Speaker 1: number one, you like, bro you ain't my number one, two, three,
Speaker 1: or four. I was like, nothing, you need to sprinkle
Speaker 1: that on top. You didn't need the razzle dazzle you're
Speaker 1: and you're absolutely right. That was a that was a mistake.
Speaker 1: That was you know, that was you know, at that moment,
Speaker 1: I regret that, not just it being a horrible game play,
Speaker 1: which it was from a game perspective, but just as
Speaker 1: a human being, Amber being who she is, because she's
Speaker 1: such a great person. She is Jesus sweetheart. You know,
Speaker 1: at that time, y'all don't see everything that goes behind
Speaker 1: and seeing and stuff like that, right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know why at that moment, I was frustrated and
Speaker 1: needed to say that, and but I apologize, you know,
Speaker 1: and now oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, the game
Speaker 1: is the game, you know, And to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: like I told Amber, you know, like think back at
Speaker 1: it now, the way I played the games with a
Speaker 1: lot of emotion and heart. I wish I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made some of the decisions I made, you know at
Speaker 1: that time, but I have read of them. No, because
Speaker 1: I mean I can't regret anything I've done, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all I could do is and you played a great game.
Speaker 1: You played, seriously, a really great a great game. It's
Speaker 1: chaun cp Jordan still madic you or is he forgiving you?
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, um, we you know, we had
Speaker 1: a we just got back from the reunion show. We
Speaker 1: all let it out out there and that's where it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be, that out. Once we let it out there,
Speaker 1: you know, we go from there. If you still have
Speaker 1: a problem, we could deal with it on a challenge field.
Speaker 1: Other than that, then is there still a problem because
Speaker 1: that didn't sound clear, Nellie, Okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 1: I loved, I mean a lot of love for Amber.
Speaker 1: I you know, Chauncey Amber. I wish nothing but the
Speaker 1: best for them. And you know, hopefully in the future
Speaker 1: me and Amber can work together and she can. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what, Nelson, in in what you just said,
Speaker 1: you said you have no regrets, right, and I get that,
Speaker 1: you know you don't want to, but but but this
Speaker 1: fassy situation. Okay, because when you got on the phone
Speaker 1: with Corey and you were, you know, kind of feeling
Speaker 1: Corey in Corey was like you signed with the enemy,
Speaker 1: Like what you're with? You with the ops? What you're
Speaker 1: doing bro right? And it was almost as if like
Speaker 1: you kind of didn't want to tell Corey because you
Speaker 1: kind of already knew what he was gonna say about it,
Speaker 1: and so in saving him, you showed his loyalty, your
Speaker 1: loyalty to him, right, and that ultimately led to your
Speaker 1: downfall because if you went in the episode, a lot
Speaker 1: of people were saying, Hey, we need to break up
Speaker 1: that duo. You see how they are. We need to
Speaker 1: break them up, we need to separate them. One, it's
Speaker 1: FESSI really your friend? And then two do you regret
Speaker 1: that decision knowing that it ultimately led to you being
Speaker 1: out of the game. Such a great question, Um, you do,
Speaker 1: if you don't do, if you doubt you know, and
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. This, this is what I've
Speaker 1: always said about that. You know, I've been in I've
Speaker 1: been in Fessi's shoes. I've been in this position. So
Speaker 1: I see his perspective of why he did what he
Speaker 1: did you know I made the same mistake, you know,
Speaker 1: not in the game, in real life, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: I take everything I've learned throughout my life. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the way I live it, regardless if it's a
Speaker 1: game or not. So when Fessie backstabbed me a few
Speaker 1: seasons ago, you know, I've felt that pain because I
Speaker 1: felt like I've done that to some of my friends
Speaker 1: in the past, and I've always wished for forgiveness, and
Speaker 1: I was I've never felt that, so putting myself confessive
Speaker 1: shoes and him and not having the relationship outside of
Speaker 1: the game. You know, as time went on, I realize
Speaker 1: he's really trying to, you know, be a different guy
Speaker 1: and show me a different side with him and really
Speaker 1: be a real friend. So I think everyone deserves forgiveness,
Speaker 1: no matter what if even if you thought you don't
Speaker 1: deserve forgiveness, you do, you know, And that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: And I feel like nobody wanted to give Fessi that chance.
Speaker 1: They always people look for revenge so much, and that's
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the world nowadays, because it doesn't solve
Speaker 1: anything game or not. Like you hold it in your heart,
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel that way. So I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: have any revenge in my heart FORFESSI no more and
Speaker 1: I forgave him. And when I told him I forgave
Speaker 1: him last season, I meant that. And for me to
Speaker 1: do this now just because I have a loaded gun
Speaker 1: in the opportunity, what kind of what kind of man
Speaker 1: and what kind of example showing for the future and
Speaker 1: younger generation. To go back on my word, So it
Speaker 1: was cool sing you guys come together like that, actually
Speaker 1: like it was. It was it was a nice It
Speaker 1: was nice to see that like partnership now where it
Speaker 1: wasn't so nice, Nelson, was your treatment of Olivia walked
Speaker 1: me through? Please the original Let's take it. Let's take
Speaker 1: it back to the beginning. Okay, how exactly did you
Speaker 1: woo Olivia? Was there a connection forming when you guys,
Speaker 1: because you know, when we get to the airport, right,
Speaker 1: like people start talking and vibing and you may sit
Speaker 1: next to someone on the plane like we saw it
Speaker 1: with like Johnny and I think it was an arse
Speaker 1: right where they were like making out and stuff before
Speaker 1: they even got to the house. So when did you
Speaker 1: and Olivia start vibing or did you feel a connection
Speaker 1: we got um. To be honest, man, I thought Olivia
Speaker 1: was this big party animal because I remember her on
Speaker 1: the plane, which she's great after you go love him.
Speaker 1: But when she was on the plane with us, she
Speaker 1: was just you know everybody. You know, we were all
Speaker 1: having a good time. I'm trying to sleep, she's still
Speaker 1: they're having wine, They're going up and down the aisle talking.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this girl, go sit down. She's a wild one.
Speaker 1: She's a wild one. You know. She didn't make it
Speaker 1: into the house until later down a couple I mean,
Speaker 1: like I think two challenges down, I mean, or one,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then when we got to talking
Speaker 1: at the bar, and that conversation just kept on going
Speaker 1: and going and going. We spent the entire time talking.
Speaker 1: It might have showed y'all a little bit of us
Speaker 1: just talking at the bar, but she's probably the only
Speaker 1: person I talked to that entire night at the bar.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what you guys talk about? Like, what
Speaker 1: mean an example some of the topics you guys, honestly
Speaker 1: we talked about. We talked about, you know, the typical
Speaker 1: what showed you from? Where are you from Alaska? Like
Speaker 1: what do you do outside of this um relationship. She
Speaker 1: talked to tell me about what she's gone through, and
Speaker 1: things were just matching up, just matching the little I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're just throwing the little jokes at each other and
Speaker 1: drink as a bubblies were going down, smiles and things
Speaker 1: were good. So, I mean, that was the first time
Speaker 1: at the bar. I didn't think nothing of it as
Speaker 1: much because I know, once you get into a relationship
Speaker 1: with a young lady in the house, it's like it's yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not just looking out for yourself no more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened to me. She changed my whole game,
Speaker 1: did she really though, Nelson? Because sir, can you there's
Speaker 1: a couple of times that I could have won a
Speaker 1: different way, you know, I mean, and why didn't you?
Speaker 1: What was your thought process behind? Because this is a
Speaker 1: girl you're cupcaking with. You're like, she's so great, and
Speaker 1: then me, girl, you done vote her? Now? I know? Good?
Speaker 1: And well what if that's the thing? Meaning her had
Speaker 1: such a great conversation. She understood what position I was
Speaker 1: in be having to choose between my friend and her,
Speaker 1: and any woman to see that in respect your decision
Speaker 1: even you're like wow, like it didn't the game really
Speaker 1: didn't matter to her, Like what mattered to her was me,
Speaker 1: like and how I felt in my emotions. And right there,
Speaker 1: that's how she went. That was not all because it
Speaker 1: wasn't mutual. It was it was not mutual. No, listen,
Speaker 1: I listen. I'm saying all because of how he sounds
Speaker 1: while he's explaining, like like her, her logic mean a
Speaker 1: lot to yeah, you know what I mean. Yes, but
Speaker 1: we would have loved to see it reciprocated Nelson. Nelson,
Speaker 1: you gotta realize, like I don't going into this house man,
Speaker 1: you don't know what's real, what's fake, and like like
Speaker 1: somebody using you for the game or what. So at
Speaker 1: the time, like I was slowly stepping like back in
Speaker 1: the day. You see my last seasons, it's like Nelson's
Speaker 1: always fallen for a girl or this and that, and
Speaker 1: it's like this time I was so focused on the game.
Speaker 1: I wasn't happening that you And I told Olivia like
Speaker 1: at one point was that Livia, You're not you can't
Speaker 1: sleep in my bed tonight, Like I don't. It's challenge day.
Speaker 1: Like you're not sleeping, you're not sleeping in my bed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the end of this seasons, I didn't want her
Speaker 1: to leave my dad. On challenge Day. I was getting up.
Speaker 1: I was getting upset that she wanted to leave on
Speaker 1: challenge Day. Nay Na stay with me, but it was
Speaker 1: like a ritual. But I was going to break that
Speaker 1: with her. And that's how I knew at that time
Speaker 1: my decisions was not just based on me. It was
Speaker 1: a base around us because even at times like this trivia,
Speaker 1: you mean, y'all want to get some insight tea, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: me and especially thought it was like, bro, we have
Speaker 1: Mariah and we have Maria and the reas on the
Speaker 1: other team. We're unistic. Why don't we just throw these
Speaker 1: challenges on boys days and girls days and then we'll
Speaker 1: help each other out. And now's I won't make it
Speaker 1: too But and this is why I said I changed
Speaker 1: my game. I knew that Anissa and Nanni would go
Speaker 1: against Olivia, and that's what scared I didn't want to elimination.
Speaker 1: I could have took the easy way out and through
Speaker 1: those challenges and did that way. And I even spoke
Speaker 1: to Olivia about this. I was like, hey, baby, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this blah blah blah, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to put you in a position where you
Speaker 1: might have to go home, so let win every challenge.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm saying I changed my game up.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of insight t because you know,
Speaker 1: through our challenge history, people are known to throw challenges
Speaker 1: and that's easier for people to get to a final.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't doing that, so like, and that's so smart.
Speaker 1: That actually explains a lot about what may come. We've
Speaker 1: seen clips or snippets of you know, Bessie is telling
Speaker 1: Maria yep, kind of like are you gonna help me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like your team didn't help my team and
Speaker 1: all that, and it didn't really make sense. And now
Speaker 1: it's like it makes a little bit more sense, right
Speaker 1: because all about it. Think about it like that, I'll
Speaker 1: come of it. If we lost on it was Girls' Day, Okay,
Speaker 1: we Nanine Kate like Nanine Casey and then you had Olivia,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, we already know which way they
Speaker 1: we're gonna go, which way we were gonna and it
Speaker 1: would have just been an easy way for us to go,
Speaker 1: and Mariah and theres they would have agreed with us.
Speaker 1: They were like they had their own mindsets, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, but they still agreed with us. We all
Speaker 1: would have wanted, right and so yeah, so essentially at
Speaker 1: this point, you're playing the game for you and Therese
Speaker 1: and Olivia and and Fatsy. Well, that's a lot, that's
Speaker 1: that's a lot for you to for you to carry.
Speaker 1: That's my kids knows. Hello, that's a lot for you
Speaker 1: to carry. Period. But and so we're gonna we gonna
Speaker 1: cut that out next season. Hey, okay, let's day bonn
Speaker 1: or I are ever on the season? Changed you to
Speaker 1: pick us? Right back up? Kids? Cool? No, I thought
Speaker 1: it was so cute, how you know? Fast forward, you
Speaker 1: get eliminated and she comes down and you guys have
Speaker 1: this really nice moment together, right, and then you make
Speaker 1: a statement and you say that you wanted to pursue
Speaker 1: things after the show. Now has that happened? Are you
Speaker 1: too pursuing each other still? Or what what's happened? Uh? Uh,
Speaker 1: she's she's what happened Nelson? You know, Um, that's pretty fun.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep that to myself. Okay, I mean, y'all
Speaker 1: gonna stay tuned too. We want some general and because
Speaker 1: she dms me Nelson because I've been riding your ass
Speaker 1: all season. I'm gonna just put out here. And I've
Speaker 1: never met Olivia. I have met you. I love and
Speaker 1: adore you. Even Adam like seeing my fiance. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but he's really one of his favorite. Um.
Speaker 1: But but she did ding me because she knew I
Speaker 1: was right. I was going in on your ass and
Speaker 1: past episodes because of how because of you voting her
Speaker 1: in although it makes a smige more sense, although you
Speaker 1: did it twice, sir. Um, So just at least you
Speaker 1: don't have to share like the full details, but at
Speaker 1: least give us yeah and then yeah, just because we
Speaker 1: want you to be able to share your side of
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah. The truth is I pursued it, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: it was crazy because she caused me and I missed
Speaker 1: a call. I'm so upset. I'm back at home, and
Speaker 1: then I get another call and we stay on the
Speaker 1: phone for two hours. My bill like nine hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety eight dollars. You got it, You got it. But
Speaker 1: it felt, you know, that phone call, and you know
Speaker 1: days after that, you know, it felt like high school.
Speaker 1: You know, you could talk on somebody on the somebody
Speaker 1: on the phone for like hours and it just times
Speaker 1: passed by it like wall. So you know, the spark
Speaker 1: was still there afterwards for me, and I'm sure it
Speaker 1: was there for her. You know, I can't speak on her,
Speaker 1: but for me it was. But you know, she just
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for what I was ready for it. And right,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the city thing. It was just climbing thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, just because I'm ready, which I've realized,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean the significant others ready. Are you ready for
Speaker 1: a real relationship? Nelson? Oh, I thought it was this time, right,
Speaker 1: got my heart broken. But it's all good, It's all good.
Speaker 1: I'm so. It's just like you know, it's scary because
Speaker 1: you put yourself out there being in this kind of
Speaker 1: the world that we live in, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: hard dating in the real life. But when you find
Speaker 1: that one person you could talk to on the phone,
Speaker 1: count on and just have a great time to smile
Speaker 1: or you know, even if it's raining in cloudy cold outside,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like one person. So she was at
Speaker 1: rock for me at one point, and um, I wish
Speaker 1: nothing but the best for her, and uh, you deserve
Speaker 1: nothing but the best. Wait, Texas. You're in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: but you travel around a lot right in La. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get you in the matchmaking database. I don't
Speaker 1: need to talk about. Are you kidding? I'm just mad
Speaker 1: because I haven't matched her. But David, I'm ever busy.
Speaker 1: I know this because it's hard to schedule episodes with her. Nelson,
Speaker 1: I have been waiting in line, Nelson, I have been
Speaker 1: waiting in line to get this. In this even the
Speaker 1: day I love you day we'll get We'll get to dad,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna put you in the day real database,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get you. We'll work that will get
Speaker 1: you because if you're really ready and you you know,
Speaker 1: then we can definitely make that happen. Now, what was
Speaker 1: your question, Day I love I didn't have a question. Whatever,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a question. I have more of a statement,
Speaker 1: like I wanted to say to you because I'm listening
Speaker 1: to how you're talking. You know, you put yourself out
Speaker 1: there and so on and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: Don't go into a shell, continue to be vulnerable, continue
Speaker 1: to put yourself out there, because that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: It's all about taking risks and jumping off that cliff
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna catch you, but you have to learn
Speaker 1: how to get your own wings and fly for yourself,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And at some point you're
Speaker 1: gonna meet somebody who jumped off a cliff too, and
Speaker 1: y'all gonna end up flying together. Okay, So don't don't
Speaker 1: lose that vulnerability because that makes you a sweet, kind
Speaker 1: person that you are, and it is in that that
Speaker 1: you're gonna ultimately find the person that you're looking for.
Speaker 1: But if you lock that up in a vault, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna hinder yourself from finding that person. So don't
Speaker 1: lose that, Nelson. Just don't don't lose too long. Don't read,
Speaker 1: don't become a FESSI yea, because you just saying, keep
Speaker 1: it open, no shade, defess the mess. We love him,
Speaker 1: not when it comes through that we don't. All Right,
Speaker 1: hold on, I gotta go get some more egg now
Speaker 1: and get out of this closet for a second, but
Speaker 1: I would be right back and we'll have more right
Speaker 1: after this. Can you tell us a little bit because
Speaker 1: we got to see this other vulnerable side, like when
Speaker 1: you were talking to Corey shout out to Corey, who
Speaker 1: we love. Yeah, but you you, we got to see
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about your mom and your
Speaker 1: you know, relationship with her. Can you tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit more about that and how she either inspires
Speaker 1: you or you know, motivates you. Like what role she
Speaker 1: plays in your decision to be a part of the
Speaker 1: challenge and the legacy that you're creating. Oh, man U,
Speaker 1: she plays a major role. Because you know, my mom
Speaker 1: the first time she's ever seen me on TV, and
Speaker 1: I could just see her smile and laughing, just her
Speaker 1: reaction because you got to realize, you know, the sun
Speaker 1: I was back in the day. I was a troubled
Speaker 1: kid back in the day. So to see me where
Speaker 1: I'm at now, it makes her so proud. So if
Speaker 1: it bringing a smile to her face, it just makes
Speaker 1: me just blow up and makes me want to do better.
Speaker 1: So it always, it always has been. She's always been
Speaker 1: my motivation to give her the world because I put
Speaker 1: it through so much growing up, especially growing up in Englewoods.
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't have the right head on my
Speaker 1: shoulders back then. So, you know, for some of those
Speaker 1: who don't know Nelson, because I actually was surprised when
Speaker 1: I saw you kind of reference this on the episode.
Speaker 1: But just a quick summation for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: can you share with this a little bit of the
Speaker 1: adversity you faced in your childhood that like, because I
Speaker 1: think your story so inspiring, like it really it just
Speaker 1: really is. So just a little bit of kind of
Speaker 1: like where you started to how you know, how you
Speaker 1: got to where you are now. Yeah, regardless of how
Speaker 1: bad things are and how bad you you know your
Speaker 1: surroundings are, doesn't mean you can't make it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that you can't make it to the top because
Speaker 1: you know, a kid growing out of inglewood and poverty
Speaker 1: and gang violence and drugs and seeing that at such
Speaker 1: a young age, you know, you don't expect to make
Speaker 1: it out of the age of eighteen. You just trying
Speaker 1: to make it to the next day. But you know,
Speaker 1: God never gave up to me, gave up on me,
Speaker 1: And it's it's a true blessing. Every day I wake
Speaker 1: up in the position I am to teach others, to
Speaker 1: motivate others to do better and want more because there's
Speaker 1: a lot more. And that's what I love about social
Speaker 1: media and the platform that we're given. Because yeah, I
Speaker 1: love the reason why I love flogging so much, because
Speaker 1: there's kids that follow me in dam and say, Nelson,
Speaker 1: we can I want to travel there, I want to
Speaker 1: do this. I wanted to go there. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: you can do it. I was at Juvie, disrespectful kid
Speaker 1: growing up. But you can change. All you need is
Speaker 1: that one person to believe in you. And yeah, he's changing,
Speaker 1: Like I said, the one And I remember my mom
Speaker 1: called me one day. She said, a fan right outer,
Speaker 1: the parents, right outer, we love your son. He motivates
Speaker 1: us and this and that, and my mom just started
Speaker 1: shedding tears and she couldn't believe. She couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a blessing that I have this platform
Speaker 1: to motivate the younger generation even older. So I hope Nellie.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, even though we see the goofy
Speaker 1: side and this confident side on the show, like all
Speaker 1: the listeners, I have to say that, like Nelson really
Speaker 1: is that got like a sweetheart. And so when you
Speaker 1: do these sort of like confident sometimes these arrogant comments
Speaker 1: you make about yourself or these nicknames, I mean, but
Speaker 1: there's really this good guy behind it, which I think
Speaker 1: is so cool. What do you have any new nicknames
Speaker 1: you've created for yourself in the last couple of months.
Speaker 1: What are you rolling with now? Man? I just go
Speaker 1: with the punches. The only reason you got spighty Nellie
Speaker 1: teas because I think Challenge made a pockets. They made
Speaker 1: me to a spider man because the connections I had
Speaker 1: in the house. So you know, I see it and
Speaker 1: I run with it because I think making fun of
Speaker 1: yourself is the best thing ever. And then so I
Speaker 1: just love it. I think I love it. I own it.
Speaker 1: I'm goofy. I'm not the coolest popular kid. I'm just
Speaker 1: me and I love it. So it's like, I just
Speaker 1: want to show people you can be you and be cool. Still,
Speaker 1: what was it like for the second time going up
Speaker 1: against your friends in elimination? Walk us through what your
Speaker 1: emotions were there. Did you see it coming at all
Speaker 1: that that would really be a possibility that day? And
Speaker 1: how are you feeling when ultimately you knew you'd have
Speaker 1: to go against Bessie. Well, I knew it was going
Speaker 1: to be a possibility, but at that point I knew
Speaker 1: I had to take action. So even though it was
Speaker 1: a losing battle because I went up the Chaunty and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, bro, if I pick the safe dagger,
Speaker 1: what you're gonna pick me or you're gonna pick Johnny.
Speaker 1: And I try to shake his hand on it, but
Speaker 1: knowing I already threw them in, I'm like a right.
Speaker 1: But right back in my head, I'm thinking, dudes, you talk.
Speaker 1: He's talked a lot about not wanting taking bananas to
Speaker 1: the final. Well, this is your shot. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. I think, are
Speaker 1: you thinking long term? Are you thinking revenge? And he
Speaker 1: was thinking of revenge And that's that's plain facts. Because
Speaker 1: I was the best time to probably throw Johnny in
Speaker 1: there against Bessie to beat him. So let me take
Speaker 1: a shot real quick with Chauncey. Because I knew with
Speaker 1: Devin's team, they weren't telling me who the main vote was,
Speaker 1: because I knew for a reason in the back of
Speaker 1: my head a lot of these people weren't cool with Fessi,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking it might just be Fetsi. It might
Speaker 1: and because you know it's not gonna be Chauncy because
Speaker 1: of Amberg. So I know they had a campaign going
Speaker 1: for Chauncy. Yeah, yeah, what did you think when you
Speaker 1: saw it when you found out that they had a
Speaker 1: campaign to save Chauncey. Reason, and there's a reason why.
Speaker 1: And this is the truth. This is no shame in
Speaker 1: the game. But Chauncey wasn't putting up nothing, like nobody
Speaker 1: was scared of go against anything like challenges wise, like
Speaker 1: he just wasn't a good challenge when it came to challenges.
Speaker 1: He like, there's people that got it and people that
Speaker 1: don't got it. And I'm sorry he didn't have it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a reason why I don't want to
Speaker 1: Chauncey around, and I get it, So don't don't so
Speaker 1: like all these like trying to be friendly or I'm
Speaker 1: I'm vote for Chaunty because the Ambergs. Boy, No, you
Speaker 1: kept them around because you wanted him to go to
Speaker 1: the final. You wanted to do another challenge against him.
Speaker 1: But uh, you didn't want FESSI final. You didn't want
Speaker 1: in the final. You didn't want me, right, we didn't
Speaker 1: want to say you know what I'm saying. So we knew,
Speaker 1: we already knew the game. So at that moment, Oh
Speaker 1: so before we go into the elimination me. We all
Speaker 1: look at each other because we had to go in
Speaker 1: order to pick a dagger, and you saw something go back.
Speaker 1: They're running up to the dagger, like, I want to
Speaker 1: pick first because you have a better chance of pulling
Speaker 1: the safe. Yeah, how did you guys decide that? How
Speaker 1: did you decide who? Here goes a little bit more
Speaker 1: te behind the scene we had to pick up. We
Speaker 1: all looked at each other and said, look, we can
Speaker 1: either go up there and fight like dogs, because we
Speaker 1: all wanted to go first, second, or third, or we
Speaker 1: can be men and we could pick a number between fifteen.
Speaker 1: Whoever is the closest. The security guard would tell us.
Speaker 1: So we went that way. And I'm like, damn, I
Speaker 1: wish I would have fall like a dog up there
Speaker 1: because I went wow and that and and I wanted
Speaker 1: to pick that middle dagger so that and I knew
Speaker 1: it was there. I knew it, And when Chauncey picked it,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn. And I knew when he wouldn't
Speaker 1: shake my head my hand in the house to save
Speaker 1: him just in case, I knew, Yeah, it was my
Speaker 1: right right, you know what, Nelson, I'm listening again, Chin up,
Speaker 1: head up, because he didn't just take you down, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like it was it was Nick
Speaker 1: and it was a tight race, and then you started
Speaker 1: gassing out, and I'm like, come on on, Nelson, you
Speaker 1: started to get how hard was that elimination? It was?
Speaker 1: It was ye. I didn't think it was gonna be
Speaker 1: so difficult until I started trying to pull these things
Speaker 1: out of the dry wall. And I didn't have I
Speaker 1: wasn't I'm not as tall as and I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not taking anything away from him, but the hype, different weight,
Speaker 1: different pulling them down and pull it. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: weren't just man handle on him. It was a way
Speaker 1: to do them. You had to go up left, right
Speaker 1: and then pull and then having that certain height and
Speaker 1: wait for him to pull that down was a little
Speaker 1: bit more easier for him. But you know, every eliminations
Speaker 1: meant for certain people, and that that was just his.
Speaker 1: I was his man. It was a great race. I
Speaker 1: give it up them And it sucks that I had
Speaker 1: to go off that way. It really does, because another
Speaker 1: here goes some more team. Oh. If you see Devin's
Speaker 1: face and his reaction of me going and he's picking me,
Speaker 1: Me and Devin oh, he was gonna pick Johnny Bananas
Speaker 1: a lot of people. That's why. The only reason Horatio
Speaker 1: and Devin and Jordan voted that way, they I knew,
Speaker 1: they knew FESTI was gonna go win, but they thought
Speaker 1: Chauncey and I Denot had that locked down because I
Speaker 1: told them to Chauncey and but yeah, Chauncy never gave
Speaker 1: me an answer. So that's how that went down. That's
Speaker 1: why everyone was so stocked up there. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what's crazy about this? And this was as love setting
Speaker 1: and I see a little bit little because a lot
Speaker 1: of people try to I've evolved a lot in this game,
Speaker 1: and every move I made, even when you want to
Speaker 1: say I voted to Olivia and Olivia and twice I
Speaker 1: stosategically made that move between Darrell and Olivia to save
Speaker 1: each other into who was going in regardless. I knew
Speaker 1: Olivia was safe. I knew Darrell was safe. But I
Speaker 1: came up with that friend. I told him, this is
Speaker 1: what we're going to do. Ye, I mean we saw
Speaker 1: you do that, Nelson. I'm just saying if we were cupcaking,
Speaker 1: if we if you were my man, Nelson, because the
Speaker 1: game is second by second anything, No, Negro, that's not
Speaker 1: how you earn You earned trust by picking up a
Speaker 1: double cheeseburger for McDonald's a late night row build trust,
Speaker 1: not by getting my behind close to into down there
Speaker 1: right right, and you did it twice and she didn't
Speaker 1: come for your behind. I was like, Noon must be
Speaker 1: given his kisses, must be good. No, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to find out nothing. Why Why were not to vote?
Speaker 1: Be mad at you ahead? Why were you so confident
Speaker 1: that it will work? Why were you that confident? Because
Speaker 1: I knew for fact that me and Jurrell was so
Speaker 1: close and I was so close to Olivia, there was
Speaker 1: no way of losing. There was no they had two
Speaker 1: chances that I already knew it in regardless, Olivia was
Speaker 1: gonna be saved. Olivia was gonna be saved regardless. Did
Speaker 1: Olivia feel that safe? Did she? Yes? Yeah, I ask
Speaker 1: you can ask her, and everybody was and then you know,
Speaker 1: and everybody said back like damn, I didn't get no,
Speaker 1: I didn't even get any blood on my hands. And
Speaker 1: that was I'm gonna take that away from you. And
Speaker 1: that was masterful, and not even that I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I told the Reese I was like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to win the Memory Challenge. If we win this challenge
Speaker 1: the Reese and where the Reese went wrong, and I
Speaker 1: tell her this, your head got too big, Like you
Speaker 1: went into the house after the Memory Challenge saying I
Speaker 1: knew I had a great memory, blah blah blah, this
Speaker 1: and that, like like it was always up up for you.
Speaker 1: You would never like I can't do this, I can't
Speaker 1: do that, so people, but if we didn't, I started
Speaker 1: kind of getting that vibe from her. Watching the episode
Speaker 1: you like through chronologically as well, I think we saw
Speaker 1: her do great, which is amazing, and she's like she's
Speaker 1: just amazing all around. Right, she's beautiful, she's super skilled
Speaker 1: at a variety of different dailies. But there was a
Speaker 1: little bit I felt like, just as a viewer, an
Speaker 1: energy shift, kind of like what you're mentioning else where.
Speaker 1: There's this which I understand because doing well in the
Speaker 1: challenge is a drug. I think it's also why people
Speaker 1: come back time and time again, even people who say
Speaker 1: they're retired come back because it's a bit of a drug,
Speaker 1: like doing that. But she seemed to get a little
Speaker 1: I don't say cocky, but just not under the radar
Speaker 1: as she was in the beginning, right like she started
Speaker 1: being a little more Oh, I run this, I know
Speaker 1: how this is gonna work. I'm about whoever got it out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this in this move, and she was
Speaker 1: kind of vocal about it. She was getting a little
Speaker 1: bit she was calling too much attention to herself, especially
Speaker 1: with the Jordan move, because like even it's like, who
Speaker 1: are we here for? Here are we on a dating show?
Speaker 1: Or we right dollars and right? I I tould her aside,
Speaker 1: like you're calling too much a touching to yourself and
Speaker 1: you're not staying he can't stay a little bit more
Speaker 1: humble because people are already seas off a threat and
Speaker 1: I have so many connections. Once you're cut loose from
Speaker 1: me the rees, you know what these people are gonna
Speaker 1: do to you. You're gonna be the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's exactly what happened. Yeah, and you know, but hey,
Speaker 1: we literally learned, you know, I've learned that maybe we
Speaker 1: got to start calling you prophet predicting just over here predicting,
Speaker 1: but to be fair, to be fair. As soon as
Speaker 1: she left, you went right behind her, so you needed
Speaker 1: her too, to be fair, because to be fair, why
Speaker 1: do you why do you think I wanted to tell
Speaker 1: her to calm down and humble her. I was like,
Speaker 1: I needed each other. I get yeah, I never You'll
Speaker 1: never ever hear me say I didn't need her. I
Speaker 1: wanted her there and I wanted to be on her team.
Speaker 1: That's not the case. And we could tell that you
Speaker 1: showed it. We could tell that, yeah, I did everything
Speaker 1: I could. But the thing is Johnny was fitting facts.
Speaker 1: My whole team memory. The memory was crazy, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: every challenge we see nowadays you have puzzles, puzzles, puzzles, puzzles.
Speaker 1: But they if she would have just listened to me
Speaker 1: and we didn't win, that, guess where we would have
Speaker 1: been sitting, she wouldn't have been there. I promise you that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, But and Nelson got eliminated not because
Speaker 1: people were really pushing for him. They weren't gunning to you.
Speaker 1: They were gunning for Bessie. And I feel like you
Speaker 1: were kind of a byproduct and you were attached him,
Speaker 1: But they weren't gunning for you. Know I'm I'm saying
Speaker 1: because they literally said, we need to break up this duo.
Speaker 1: They literally said that we need to du But even
Speaker 1: in breaking it up, I feel like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like realized we did. We weren't a duel.
Speaker 1: Then we were all different teams. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not you. I'm talking about you and Fancy. And this
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Even even though what I'm saying
Speaker 1: about you and Fessy, they wanted to break you guys
Speaker 1: up because you proved your loyalty to him. What you did,
Speaker 1: like kind of like put a staple out there. You
Speaker 1: laid out the red carpet like, yeah, this is for real,
Speaker 1: like that's his Oh that's a problem, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so then people was like, we gotta
Speaker 1: get him up out of here, like one of them
Speaker 1: gotta go. And I believe that that's in your mind
Speaker 1: when you were like you thought that they were gonna
Speaker 1: pick Johnny. At no point do I believe that any
Speaker 1: of them were gonna say it was gonna make it
Speaker 1: a situation where Johnny was gonna be down there with FESSI,
Speaker 1: because Johnny it wasn't that for whatever. I don't know
Speaker 1: what Johnny was doing behind the scenes, but a lot
Speaker 1: of them rookies was like up under him, they wanted
Speaker 1: him right. I don't know what he was doing behind
Speaker 1: the scenes that man want his strategist approving. I also
Speaker 1: think if you hadn't voted Chauncey, and I do think
Speaker 1: Chauncey would have saved you, like I think if one yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody wanted to approve of Johnny. I
Speaker 1: think Chauncey would have made that move. Like you said,
Speaker 1: if I didn't throw, then yeah, if you didn't draw.
Speaker 1: That's the only and the only reason Bananas wasn't the
Speaker 1: main vote is because he had too many friends on
Speaker 1: the other team, so they wanted other people to do
Speaker 1: the dirty work. So well, and like somebody said on
Speaker 1: our interview that Bananas made and it could be because
Speaker 1: Bananas was trying. We know we've heard on this on
Speaker 1: the streets that he was trying not to win some
Speaker 1: of the dailies or crying just because Bananas has gotten
Speaker 1: a little older. And that's no shade, it's just things change.
Speaker 1: But we heard Bananas wasn't putting up numbers the way
Speaker 1: that like Bessie was doing. You were, you were winning dailies,
Speaker 1: and Bessie was showing that he would be a problem
Speaker 1: if he made it to a final, right, So just
Speaker 1: looking objectively you at this point, my only thing with
Speaker 1: Johnny is Johnny's like the sneak attack, right. So it's like,
Speaker 1: if you let him make it to a final, he
Speaker 1: has proved that once he gets to that tail end,
Speaker 1: he has an unlimited supply to make things happen, you know, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, push himself beyond. But if you're sort of
Speaker 1: a rookie, you don't necessarily realize that yet. And so
Speaker 1: Fessie is looking far more intimidating in the moment, right
Speaker 1: then bananas and his knees. Yeah. But you know what
Speaker 1: with the situation with Nanni and Amber, remember how we
Speaker 1: talked about that, how intense that they were with each other, Devin,
Speaker 1: how we were talking about that, that relationship with Nanni,
Speaker 1: How close they are so in that too. That's another
Speaker 1: reason why I say what I said, because there's no
Speaker 1: way Amber would have allowed Chauncey. Well I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say allowed, because that's a grown man, but there's no
Speaker 1: way that she would have been cool with him saying anything. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Nelson, I'm with you. I was thinking
Speaker 1: the same thing. You got it right now, You got it. Allowed,
Speaker 1: there's no way and allowed continue because it would have
Speaker 1: affected the relationship between Nanni and Amber. Actually would have
Speaker 1: been a problems. So I don't think it would have
Speaker 1: happened at but Newthing. TJ calls you a legend. I
Speaker 1: one hundred percent agree with that. Man, you did such
Speaker 1: a phenomenal job. You get to the race and you
Speaker 1: find a helicopter challenge. Before the helicopter, we want to talk, okay,
Speaker 1: because that look cool as hell and surprisingly none of y'all,
Speaker 1: miss y'all's targets. Tell us what it was like doing that.
Speaker 1: Hello after challenge and the strategy, Yeah, like I was
Speaker 1: impressed with that. Tell us and why would you spinning
Speaker 1: around in circles Neil Thing? Yeah, you know what this is. Um.
Speaker 1: This is one of those pivocal moments that you realize
Speaker 1: that I'm a challenger because going into this challenge, I
Speaker 1: told my team we're going into the challenge with the
Speaker 1: wrong strategy. I looked at Specie and I looked at
Speaker 1: Johnny Vanalas, which you look at them, you see captains.
Speaker 1: You're looking at around like, what should we do? Johnny?
Speaker 1: You have to experience Specie. You want a lot okay,
Speaker 1: and they come up with a strategy, which Johnny really
Speaker 1: he does, and I look at Johnny Bananas and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, bro, that's wrong, and he said, no,
Speaker 1: we need to do it. That's why I said, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking around and said, y'all need to listen to me.
Speaker 1: This is the reason why we're gonna lose. And everybody said, no, no,
Speaker 1: let's just stick to the plan because once you change
Speaker 1: the plan up, people will get confused and start second
Speaker 1: guessing their selves. And so nobody wanted to change the plan.
Speaker 1: And that was a problem because I knew it wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna come down and hitting the bull's eye. It was
Speaker 1: gonna come down the time. And who can swim the fastest? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chauncey and I were one of the slowest guy swimmers.
Speaker 1: Then it came to Casey and Tory, which we had
Speaker 1: them all the way at the end, and then we
Speaker 1: had Bessie and Johnny dropping in the middle. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: does that make any sense right now? Why not our
Speaker 1: fastest swimmers in the back right and have our girls
Speaker 1: a little bit closer up. We would have done that,
Speaker 1: We would have a yeah, because nobody would have been
Speaker 1: dragging in the bag. Also the people dragging. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you caught this, but Vanea said, no into
Speaker 1: helping the rest of the team. That may have helped
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit too. Think about it. Think
Speaker 1: about the girls wouldn't even have been back there. Our
Speaker 1: fastest swimmers would have been back there, so they would
Speaker 1: have helped them regardless. And I said, yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: bro listen to me. And I say this in my interview.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is how I know when I
Speaker 1: go into future challenges. I'm not listening. I'm taking everybody's Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to everybody and taking into perspective, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my own and i'm gonna speak up.
Speaker 1: And this is how we're gonna do it. And this
Speaker 1: is what we need to think about. And that's why
Speaker 1: at that moment I became a challenge camp. I knew
Speaker 1: what I was doing and I had the confidence with
Speaker 1: it myself. And look at Captain Nelly. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start calling you, Yes, challenge captain and leader trust
Speaker 1: those instead no, no, because why I didn't put your
Speaker 1: foot down and make it happen, Captain, And this is sometimes.
Speaker 1: This is exactly when I was trying to put my
Speaker 1: foot down. The whole team started second guessing themselves. We're
Speaker 1: changing up plan at the last minute. We're changing up
Speaker 1: plan and let it roll. Yet over here was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, we're not. We're doing this. We're doing this
Speaker 1: and you gotta you got you got this. Guy seven
Speaker 1: time champion said we should do it this way, and
Speaker 1: everybody's looking at me like hey, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm like all right, And then afterwards afterwards everyone would
Speaker 1: have said, wow, we should have done it that way. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so everybody's, oh, we don't be good. They cheated us. No,
Speaker 1: this was a strategy that I hate when people try
Speaker 1: to like fall. I hated that because that's exactly what
Speaker 1: people wanted to point those fingers. I say, no, but strategy,
Speaker 1: we would have won. And that's when we're so upsetting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's when Chauncy not looking And this is and
Speaker 1: this is one of the reasons why before we're going
Speaker 1: into that challenge, Chauncey was so scared and nervous, like
Speaker 1: he was like he said, dude, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold on, Like I'm scared of heights and
Speaker 1: this now he was coming to me. I say, bro,
Speaker 1: this is your time. This is just you. Hold on,
Speaker 1: you got this. This guy fell right after me saying
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm holding on to you. And this is
Speaker 1: where a goofy Nelson is. I grabbed the hand so
Speaker 1: the handbars from the helicopter. I didn't notice the strings
Speaker 1: were twisting, so when it came across, it's going to
Speaker 1: hold on to it and grab it with I could
Speaker 1: have waited and let the helicopter twisted, but it was.
Speaker 1: The lines already were twisted, and that's why you see
Speaker 1: Daniel and hanging. To be fair, though it looked like
Speaker 1: Jordan was twisted a little too, it wasn't twisting as
Speaker 1: bad as you were. You know, it didn't look like
Speaker 1: a chandelier earring bouncing around, but it was still moving
Speaker 1: a little bit also, So I wonder if that particular
Speaker 1: position was a little crazy. Um what was it like? Though?
Speaker 1: When you so finding out, so you get eliminated, you
Speaker 1: go home. You know you've seen that experience before, so
Speaker 1: you know they put you in the band, do your
Speaker 1: exit interview, blah blah. This time it's like they're holding you.
Speaker 1: Then they bring you back out onto the field. What
Speaker 1: was it like finding out that nurse was still technically
Speaker 1: in the game. Oh ah man, that was now that
Speaker 1: feeling right there? Was it hurt because it hurt really bad, Like, um,
Speaker 1: you know you you realize, like not only did I
Speaker 1: let myself down by I let her down because in
Speaker 1: the entire time I was there, she was hoping to
Speaker 1: come back into this game and was real was relying
Speaker 1: on me. And I felt at that moment I let
Speaker 1: her down. I was like, I'm so sorry, Like, and
Speaker 1: this was her first season. I knew how bad she
Speaker 1: wanted to win. I knew how bad she want to
Speaker 1: win for me, and um, I just felt like I
Speaker 1: let a lot of people down, and um, I let
Speaker 1: her down. And Nelson, whatever your middle name is, Thomas,
Speaker 1: you let no one period, You let no one. I
Speaker 1: don't ever want it you, sir, And you know I
Speaker 1: would call your ass out. You let no one down.
Speaker 1: You made everyone the way you played this game, Like,
Speaker 1: I get it. It's disappointing not to win, like I
Speaker 1: get that. And it's her first season and she did
Speaker 1: do a kick ashow and you know she's gonna be
Speaker 1: called back and she's gonna um but you let no
Speaker 1: one down. And Nelson, please get proud of yourself. Please
Speaker 1: like soak that in, like take that moment. I guarantee
Speaker 1: there are people watching you and watching your story and
Speaker 1: especially getting this sneak peek of just all you've overcome
Speaker 1: to even get to this place and the way you
Speaker 1: handle it. There are people who come on here with
Speaker 1: such arrogance or callousness or a lack of awareness, and
Speaker 1: you are none of that. Like, and I Am not
Speaker 1: hyping you up just to hype you up, like Legit,
Speaker 1: you let her down, sir, you are Captain Nelly for life.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you deserve to be a front face
Speaker 1: of some of those challenge posters like you happen. And
Speaker 1: it's not just because your muscles are decent sized. You,
Speaker 1: Legit are a legend and a legend arguably in the making.
Speaker 1: You letting no One down. And I'm yeah that Theresa
Speaker 1: is very proud of you. I actually can say that
Speaker 1: she is. I interviewed her last week and nothing but
Speaker 1: positive things to say about you. That woman loves you, Okay,
Speaker 1: And it's it's so crazy because when I'm watching an
Speaker 1: episode and I hear you give you give these apologies
Speaker 1: to your fans and your friends and your family members.
Speaker 1: And it broke my heart because I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not even a little bit like Nelson, you did that
Speaker 1: this season, like for real, for real. But it's okay
Speaker 1: because all of this is is you climbing up the
Speaker 1: mountain to get to the next season. That's all it is.
Speaker 1: Only thing you owe an apology to is that dog
Speaker 1: you got confused with barking and biting you. Now you
Speaker 1: may need to apologize to Nereese because we do have
Speaker 1: a final segment for you, this little game. We didn't
Speaker 1: really name it, so we just gonna call it Writer Dies.
Speaker 1: But it's something that we like to play at the
Speaker 1: end of the podcast because you know, Nelly, you've been
Speaker 1: with me, you know I love games. So here we go.
Speaker 1: We have three questions for you about your ride or die,
Speaker 1: Neice um. And since you say your writer dies, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be time to prove it, all right, Nelson, Let's
Speaker 1: see if you can get these right, all right. Number one,
Speaker 1: Neurice starred in the Chris Brown and Young Thug music
Speaker 1: video for what song? I watched the video? Okay, points
Speaker 1: for the dressed Yeah, I don't know the name of
Speaker 1: this song. I don't, I don't, I don't. I've seen
Speaker 1: she the video of multiple times. So basically what he's
Speaker 1: saying is he wasn't listening to the music. He was
Speaker 1: watching that radio. Yeah, half a point, Nelson, it's go Crazy.
Speaker 1: It's the name of the song, Go Crazy. Number two.
Speaker 1: You and Therese were both on are you the one?
Speaker 1: What season was she on? Um? She was on season five,
Speaker 1: close six, yap season six six. You don't get that point,
Speaker 1: but that was very You tried seven and ten. All right, Dave,
Speaker 1: fight a question. Therese has a tattoo of what animal
Speaker 1: on her arm? Her dog. Will give you a point
Speaker 1: for that, So you got a point and a half.
Speaker 1: So you got fifty per I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: passing grade in schools, but here it is. You're You're
Speaker 1: also going to get a bonus point for being sick
Speaker 1: and still coming on the podcast. Folks on it smack
Speaker 1: in the middle of the holidays time, I was late
Speaker 1: nights dmming my boy Nellie tea and um. He responded
Speaker 1: and answered the call. We're so glad you did. I
Speaker 1: wanted you to be able to tell your stay and
Speaker 1: we just love you Nelson, we love you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to hang out with us, man,
Speaker 1: and thank you for having me. It's been such a pleasure. Man.
Speaker 1: Your ladies are great. Um, it's been urice. Um. You're
Speaker 1: my ride to die. I appreciate you. I appreciate the
Speaker 1: fans that tuned into this and watching this and so supportive. Um.
Speaker 1: And trust me, people, one day, one day I'll bring
Speaker 1: home when you do, Nelson, let me just ask this
Speaker 1: right now, and we're gonna have it on. I want
Speaker 1: a dollar. I want to I want to be. I
Speaker 1: want to be. I don't want any money when you
Speaker 1: do win, even if it's Nelson. I want to be
Speaker 1: the first person you let interview you when you get
Speaker 1: off the show when you win. Let's make this deal
Speaker 1: right now. Deal you know when when when it's a deal,
Speaker 1: it is supposed to go both ways. Like what do
Speaker 1: I get, bitch? You get to be interviewed by me?
Speaker 1: All right, Today's show correspondent. That's what you get it.
Speaker 1: You get to be interviewed. I would love to. I
Speaker 1: promise you I will. I'm making that deal right now,
Speaker 1: putting it on a challenge a guy. Yes, become a
Speaker 1: challenge champion. I will give you a call to ask
Speaker 1: that interview. And you have my number now, so there
Speaker 1: you go. I do I do. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear nothing about my dollar. I heard nothing.
Speaker 1: You get more than the dollars. Now, don't put that
Speaker 1: on the record. Put that on a record. See now,
Speaker 1: don't go to Luke what all right? You guys? Put
Speaker 1: that on the heard it here first? Devon gets a
Speaker 1: dollar fifty. When Nelson wins his season, I get the
Speaker 1: first interview. We will hold you to that. You said,
Speaker 1: you're a bit of your word. Now in the meantime, Nelson,
Speaker 1: for all the fans that want to keep up with you,
Speaker 1: that are inspired by you, tell us how they can
Speaker 1: find you on the social platforms. Where should they follow you? Yo,
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram, Underscore, Nelson Thomas, Twitter, MTV,
Speaker 1: Nelly T and yeah, you can find you on MTV
Speaker 1: to the challenge next week. There you go. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Nellie, wee we love you. Get better from
Speaker 1: your colds and we can't ye what you do next.
Speaker 1: Thank you ladies. Hey one thing. I hope y'all have
Speaker 1: a great Christmas too many. Thank you Nelson, thank you,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, that was such a great interview with Nelson.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad he decided to come hang out with us.
Speaker 1: I know he was sick, but he got it together,
Speaker 1: got his snipples in check and decided to come hang
Speaker 1: out with us. Girl, Yes he did, he got the
Speaker 1: snipples all lay together. We're so happy he made it happen.
Speaker 1: Now we know where to follow him day. If the
Speaker 1: people want to follow you, where should they go? I'm
Speaker 1: at home, chow. Look, it's the holidays. I'm at home.
Speaker 1: But if you want to follow me on social media,
Speaker 1: I have been on Twitter recently, but well, yes I
Speaker 1: went home. Okay, So you can find me at Dave
Speaker 1: Davon Underscore, or you can come and find me at
Speaker 1: my part time home, my vacase stay Instagram at Davon
Speaker 1: Diane Underscore. Where can the people find you outside of
Speaker 1: the closet, Devin. Yes, when I am not in the closet,
Speaker 1: you can find me. You can just go to my
Speaker 1: website Devin Simone dot com. That's done with the y
Speaker 1: simone at any dot com and at the bottom you
Speaker 1: can click and see all my socials. I'm most active
Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter, so that's Devin Simone on both
Speaker 1: of those. Also, you can follow me on Amazon, so
Speaker 1: go to my website click shop tab and that'll take
Speaker 1: you there. Just go to Amazon, Google Amazon and Devin
Speaker 1: Smone and click the follow. I also want to shout
Speaker 1: out really quick some people that have left good reviews,
Speaker 1: that have said such lovely things on the Apple podcast.
Speaker 1: One of them screen name is literally Damn Davon. Devon
Speaker 1: is you who wrote this this podcast? But it said
Speaker 1: I turn this on every time I finished an episode
Speaker 1: of the Challenge. All four ladies are amazing hosts, so
Speaker 1: we love that very much. We appreciate all of you guys.
Speaker 1: Someone said it's becoming my favorite Challenge podcast. We appreciate
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Speaker 1: what should they do? Oh? Make sure you catch new
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Speaker 1: official Challenge podcast. Bye Bye, I'm getting out of this closet.