WEBVTT - Ep. 35: Bear Grease [Render] - Misty's Tell-All Squirrel Hunt, Alone-ish, and Folsom Fluters 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:17.080 Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.280 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.080 We need to get some mustache wax as part of 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:53.760 the restaurant. Daniel Rope can keep his mustache. Okay, I'm 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.240 fresh out. I had some right there. Oh that would 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.440 that would be spectacular. Yeah, too bad for those of 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:15.920 us that have some stage you look great. We should 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:22.200 get Misty a fake mustache. Feel so out of place. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.960 I don't feel like an outsider. Yeah, that would be 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:26.320 That would be really good. You can wear one of 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:32.840 those turkey beards. Good I feel. Let's get the fake mustache. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:40.200 Misty gets a mustache for sure. Hey, welcome, Welcome to 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.039 the bear Gara Surrender. Fantastic to see everybody here today. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:51.400 It's it is it is. Okay. Envision envision yourself in 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:59.520 nineteen and ninety nine. Okay, and think about talking about water. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:08.880 Had my water pure fire stoke exactly that's serious. Yeah, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:14.520 I'm still ready for y kN entire container full of 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.359 peno beans. My mom stop? My mom got a pound, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:24.240 you got a stop? You got a contagner full of 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:30.480 what peno band piano pinto no poo as well be 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:35.520 saying acorn. I do say acorn sometimes. Yeah, yeah, get 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:43.079 out background my family. I don't want to know. Okay, 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:48.880 back to my original question here, Um you guys a 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.720 question and ran I don't even hear a question. I 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.320 think it was. What I was trying to get at 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.360 was Okay, if you're going from one to two, it 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.320 doesn't sound like that big of a leap. Okay, But 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.400 imagine I wrote two today for the first time, wrote 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.960 it on a piece of paper for whatever, you know, 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.600 dating something, you did this, or I'll show you what 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.320 I did. Look in that little note right there one, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:21.960 and I thought, godly, can you imagine in the nineteen nineties, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:27.240 you know, I would have been a teenager thinking about two. Okay, 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:33.000 stop that, stop that thought, and now think about five? 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:42.200 Do you see my point? Brent's open for next week. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:49.119 Point being time seems to be continuing to progresses, So 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:53.160 happy New Year, Happy New Year. I don't see what 0:03:53.240 --> 0:04:02.600 kind of this questions that we don't get to answer. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.840 He actually answers for us. It feels a little bit 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.120 like do you remember deep thoughts with Jackie? A little bit? 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.840 A little bit jack had except not funny. I'm not 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.160 sure the Addex guys and Rusty Johnson would have given 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:23.080 me this much flak. You're because they only spent a 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.920 week with you. We've known you since nineteen ninety nine. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.640 Dealing with the fallout I think I've met you in 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:38.440 nineteen would have been no. Twenty three years ago, the 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.400 longest out of prison by man, I know, and be 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.599 done with it. Well, wow, I said all that to 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.280 say Happy New Year. We have one mystery guest with us. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.560 If you were if you really followed Burgaris, you could 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:57.080 probably guess who it is. You could guess the patterns. Yeah, 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.920 you can see the patterns, the pattern and here's the patter, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.200 and you can guess. Be thinking, if you listen to 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.920 the last podcast, which you should have, the fulsome part four, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.160 the Miss the Unsolved Mystery of Fluted Stone, you there 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.280 would have been a guest on there that's here today. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.320 I'll introduce him here in just a minute, as is 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.560 our custom. But to my left. Dr Daniel Route, great 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.719 to see you. Happy to be here. Really you considered 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.320 shaving your beard after you saw mine. Well, your mustache 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.640 does look really good. That's the nicest thing you ever 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.880 said to me. I know, and I really hate to 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.800 say it. I'm begrudgingly said it looks good. A little 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:36.120 too good. Okay. To your left is our mystery guest 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.239 who will come back to to his laft, Josh Lambridge spillmaker. Hello, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.040 Happy new year, to see you my My biggest desire, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.800 my thing to see this year is the render when 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.360 we all get together and that chair just breaks on Daniel, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:59.840 It's that's gonna be good. To your left back for 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.400 wherever he came from, Brent Reeves. Hello, great to see Brett. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.080 It's good to be seen. Everybody heard Brett's holiday greeting. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:12.080 We appreciated party. Oh I hate to miss that more 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.760 than anything. And the cookies. I don't guess nobody saved him. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.440 We all got one one and then no more. We 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.280 did leave an empty chair for you last night. I 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.480 took a picture of it. That was good. We've been 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.840 traveling man for the holidays and all that been to 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.360 Texas and meeting folks meeting render people, fans of the 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.000 render down there. David McDaniels a good guy. You think 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.240 there was a lot of us talk to him here, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.080 absolute wonderful guy, good family guy. Had a couple of 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.400 coffee with him here. I bought it. So the next 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.719 one you send me the bill. Can you imagine that 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:50.160 means when I go through Texas, he's buying. You've been 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.920 cooting hunt a lot. I've been cooing hunting a lot 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.039 and went last night. Man, it's like twenty five degrees. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.800 Michael Roseman suns apot lights calls me. He says, how 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.679 are you going hunting to night? To move my theory? 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.680 And so I'm going hunting tonight the trier coon, he said, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.560 what my theory is that they don't They don't And 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.680 I don't think it's a theory, he said, he gets 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.880 like twenty eight degrees. Coons don't move. They do move 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:15.440 that What they do is they move around in the 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.520 in the dent. Try when you're dog trees on them, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.920 but they ain't coming out. So there would be there 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.240 would be a different temperature regiment for different parts of 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.320 the world because there's parts of the coon range where 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.000 twenty eight degrees. If they didn't move below twenty eight, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.440 they would never move. But down where Brentson, which is 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.239 further south than even here, that's pretty during cold and 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.760 it does matter to the recent weather patterns. So we've 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.800 had this super warm December and then it got super 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.040 duper cold. And that's what I remember. When I first 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.480 started coon hunt in high school. Jeff Cunningham, who was 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.080 who got us, me and my other buddy coon hunting. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.600 We wanted to go coon hunting on a real cold 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.880 night and he was like, Clay, these are the nights 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.600 that those coons eat all year round so they don't 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.240 have to leave the den. And we didn't believe him, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.000 and we went coon hunting, and we rarely treat anything 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.680 was super cold for the region. My thing was, I like, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.720 I just enjoy. I fixed me a thermoset of coffee. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.280 I'd loaded the dog up and we hit the woods 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.640 and I said, out there in the do is something 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.120 great about hunting when it's cold and it's clear, man, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.560 you could hear forever. And when he did, when he 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.760 did strike and opened up and tree, it was he 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.160 was probably three sixty yards away. I think I looked 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.720 on my tracker man, it sounds like he was just 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.920 right there. So yeah, it sounded good. You know, sound 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:44.720 does travel different on a cold night. Crisper clear good 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.559 Man Brandt. Gotta go coon on to Brent's left. My 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.440 boss and scheduling manager who I would like to request 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.240 to coon hunt with Brent for my wife, miss Nice 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:05.440 to be here. I definitely don't want that job. I quit. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:11.079 I'm going to be the boss, but good with that one. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.319 I don't want the scheduling manager. That would be kind 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.559 of stressful. Hey, Missy went squirrel huting with me the 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:20.199 other day. It's a yah. I would like to can 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:28.640 I speak for you? Listen, you guys. I haven't shot 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.160 a big old shotgun like that a whole lot since 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.559 I was a little girl. I remember having a good shot, Brent, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.319 will remember from bear Camp when you and Isaac were 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.200 trying to teach me that I have a left eye, dominance, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:52.640 crazy in the head, whatever. So so I'll just be honest. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.679 I'm not a great shot. I haven't shot a lot 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.360 of squirrels like ever. So Clay tells me, hey, come 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.560 with me and we're going to have a lot of fun. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.480 This is and he you know, when he takes the boys, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.719 he gets some candy like some of our kids with me. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:12.400 First off, no, I was expecting candy and you said 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:17.040 I could speak freely. Second second, hold off, he actually 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.559 did candy. I don't want to say I want candy exactly. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:32.199 I'm sorry. So then we go and we shoot. I 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.959 can't even remember. I just remember that clayt started mocking me, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:43.040 like actually mocking me and hold his tongue. Not just 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.559 mocking me while shooting, but afterwards, when we would be 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:51.520 around other like expert shooters, he would start mocking my 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.680 I mean just just I would walk up and I 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.320 didn't know what was happening, but there was lots of 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.319 giggling and it had to do with me, and it 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.320 had to do with that gun. And I told Clay, 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.520 these are this is the worst. What is it? Our three? 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.240 Is that what they call it? Recruitment? Yeah, this is 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.720 the worst hunter recruitment strategy I have ever seen in 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.160 my life. You it's not like I woke up that 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.480 morning and thought, gosh, I really love squirrel hunting. No 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.640 I did not. Here's the question, did you enjoy it? 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.040 I did? I had a great time. Okay, she said 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.280 all that we had a fantastic, wonderful Yeah. And I'm 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.319 gonna go ahead and the host of this show, I'm 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.680 gonna go ahead and say that I did not mock her. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.840 I did giggle just a little bit because the first 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.920 the first squirrel that we shot at. Stop. This is 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.800 this is terrible. Yeah, this is horrible hunter recruitment. If 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.719 people feel like if they go hunting with you, you're 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.440 gonna I was just trying to help you hit the squirrel. Her. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.040 I just gave her a small bit of feedback on 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.520 that was all. I was a don't mess it up. No, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.679 it was it was very very clear, articulate feedback. And 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.560 then giggled about it with others later. I'm sorry for that, 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.680 and then giggled about it. That's the that's the part 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.000 that really stung, you know, like we had this great 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.240 time and then I walk up at all the Christmas 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.200 parties we went to. Sure would have been nice to 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.000 have a little more candy and a little less giggling. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.040 Just a little more candy and a little less giggling, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:27.960 it makes you feel better. I've hunted with Clay a 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.440 fair amount and he's never bought me candy. He bought 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.480 me he's never stopped giggling. I don't know that he's 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.720 ever he actually might have giggled at me. I remember 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.679 at the time when we that famous picture of this 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.520 on Instagram. Now, when we were young and you were 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.800 good looking and I was not that hog that you've 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.040 got so beautifully displayed out on the rock there. Do 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.840 you remember that? How that went down? I don't know 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.679 what you're doing it. Yeah, here's what happened. We we 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.080 pull we pulling to the to the National Force and 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.560 he's like, he's like, hey, I think there's some hogs. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.439 I bet there's some hogs down here. And I'm like, awesome. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.880 I'm I'm so excited because he told me so many 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:14.400 stories about killing hogs. And we get out and we 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.640 have to climb the hill to this field and he said, 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.200 we get to the corner of the field, he's got 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.520 his bow, I've got mine. Well, I say mine Gary 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:28.080 Newcoms's old book, and uh, we're in Gary Newcom's old pants, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.160 probably probably, And he said, here's what we're gonna do. 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.080 If we see some hogs, We're both gonna draw and 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.959 I'll count to three and we'll both shoot at the 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:42.320 same time. I'm like okay. So sure enough we crest 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.920 the hill and it's it's barely shooting light. I mean, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.880 it's just about to be dark. And he goes look 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.080 at that, and there's probably half a dozen hogs out 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.480 and uh He's like, okay, you draw, I'll draw, and 0:13:55.640 --> 0:14:02.480 uh I draw, and Clay's goes one, two and he 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.760 just drills this hog and the hogs scatter. What happened 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:11.040 to three? Shoot on three? Man, he's supposed to get 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:20.640 that squared away. I totally forgot about that because I 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:27.560 actually had really really started over. Let me say though, 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.600 and this is connected to our mystery. Guess who I'm 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:35.400 gonna introduce. My first cousin, Todd Marriott and I successfully 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.960 pulled off a double um where we drew on hogs. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.360 We were in tree stands counter to three. We had 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.160 a little more time to plan. Did Todd do the count? 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:52.440 To Clay's credit, it was a very last minute like cants. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.880 And we pulled past the spot that I thought, I 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.880 bet there's some hogs up there, and I mean we 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.640 jumped out of the truck and literally within five minutes 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:04.880 to minutes, I had killed a hog. The other time 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.680 with Todd, it was a little more. It was a 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.680 little more strategic, quite strategic. We went in, found a 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.400 white oak, acren tree, drop rain and acorns, hog sign 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.800 all underneath it, went in hung stands, woke up way 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.040 too early because we didn't set our clocks back and 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.480 it was a time change, and we got into tree 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.760 like hours before daylight set. There daylight hugs came in 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.760 killed them just like, well pretty much killed them. It's 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.280 a long story. It's a really long story. But that's 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:36.280 connected to Rick Spicer Mystery Guests because Rick knows my 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:43.320 other first Todd's brother Sean Marriott's right on this podcast, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.120 Rick Spicer. Rick, Yes, hand clap for Rick. So Rick 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:56.400 was the falsome napper on which was riveting audio. By 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:04.360 the way, Well, that's so you just captured at all. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.280 But no, I really appreciate it being able to be 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.440 part of that. I had a great time. Yeah. So, 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.000 so the trend with guests that you could in the 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.120 future be able to forecast who's going to be here. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.760 If you're local, you know, I'll try to get you 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:17.840 on the render, you know what I mean. But like 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.960 so the other guests would have been runnella Who's in 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:26.200 Montana podcast? He knows better. I think you're setting yourself 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.200 up right here, like, well, there's what I'm saying. I mean, 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.560 i'd be careful. It's not there's nothing. There's no heart 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.720 and fast rules. I think that Rick is special, and 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:44.280 that's why he Rick came in like last minute and 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.880 had not made many folsome points. So it's not like 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.440 Rick is like the national fulsome guy. He is a 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.000 fantastic flint napper, though he looked. He gave me this 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.840 piece when I was listening to this on the way 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.120 up here, and he started working on that folsome what 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.160 I thought, Man, it's gonna be so cool everybody on 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:10.040 the ringe. It's gonna get a false Hey, this is gorgeous. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.879 I'm holding the one Rick made and it is beautiful. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.440 Thank you that that's not a falsome point. How would 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:20.080 you describe that point? Rick? Uh, that's basically a pretty 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.959 standard arrowhead. It's a side notch point um with some 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:30.000 fairly heavy serrations, so it doesn't follow any specific it's 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.560 just a functional It's just a point, exactly, and that 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.439 that's exactly what I made that. Let's say you're a 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:41.480 paleolithic hunter. You've suddenly appeared in North America by which 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.200 way is a complete mystery to modern science and all 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.720 of us. And you got a big piece of stone. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.440 What kind of stone point are you making to put 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.800 on your arrow? Well? A lot of it has and 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.280 you know nothing that you know. Now, I'm gonna make 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.199 the easiest thing I can write, like what tools do? 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.280 I mean? I've actually put myself in similar situations before 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.480 where I like walked out into the woods with nothing 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.000 and tried to be like what can I make? You know, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.639 I've I've done things like the most extreme example, I 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.679 lived for a month one time out in the woods 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:18.080 with nothing. Really did you really? Yeah, we're swamp in Louisiana? 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.840 Really did you? Oh? Wow? We need more info on 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.080 that answer the question then we're going back to that. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.879 We're going back no side tracks. The question is what 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.159 kind of stone point would you make? So the reason 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.199 that the the idea is that maybe Rick would have 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.080 been the one that came up with a falsoen point. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.320 Let's see. So yeah, it has everything to do with 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.879 like what tools have available to me? What type of 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.520 stones around? But essentially the first thing you're gonna do 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:44.439 is like try to break the thing. It's like you're 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.520 gonna pick up this rock and figure out how to 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.359 break it. And you can do that by hitting the 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.919 rock on something, or pick up another rock and hit 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:52.960 that rock with it. And it's gotta be the right 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.800 kind of rock, though, it's gotta be it does metamorphic, 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.560 or it's gonna be harder. Yeah, it's gonna be harder 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.720 than the rock that you're hitting, harder than the church 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.399 itself for the flint that you're hitting, because if it's not, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.280 it's just gonna break when you hit it. Right, if 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.520 you pick up a piece of sandstone and try to 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.920 hit it, it's just what I'm saying. The you can't 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:13.240 just go out here and pick up a piece of 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:21.240 limestone and nap it because it's the Geologically the structure 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.199 of the stone is not right. That you need a 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.320 stone that's a morphous or that is uh consistent throughout 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.119 because if it has a lot of impurities, it won't. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:35.480 So the the entire napping process is built around a 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.600 concept called the Hurtzian cone um, either the Hurtzian cone 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.240 or the conchoidal fracture. You ever take a BB gun 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.359 and shoot a window, what happens to the back of 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:49.440 the window I've never done that. Let's just call it 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.399 a piece of glass. How about that? Don't have to 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.080 be a window. What happens to the to the bb though, 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.680 when it hits the wind, What does the glass do? No, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.240 not necessari mean it might, but if it doesn't break, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:05.880 I should have prefaced that cone. That's a hertzy and cone. Okay, 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:10.359 and so and because glass is crystal, it's amorphous in nature. Okay, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.320 it's the same throughout. So we're looking for stone that 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.960 has that same type of properties. So if you taken 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.679 a rock and you strike it with another rock, what 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.320 you're getting when you strike it is a you're creating 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.360 a hertzy and cone. So it's in other words, it's 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:29.280 a predictable angle that you know what's gonna happen when 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.679 you hit it. And that is what makes napping possible, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.200 is because once you understand what angle to hit the stone, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.280 you can predict the angle at which the stone will break, 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.040 and that allows you to craft it in. When you're 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.760 working with stone that is consistent throughout exactly, that would 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.920 eliminate sedimentary stone right within within reason. But yes, um, 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.120 for the most part, Yeah, you're not gonna be working 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.120 with limestone or sandstone. So yeah, no, no sedimentary rocks. 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.280 H as far as what you would be nap ping. Okay, 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.119 So going back to you living in the woods for 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:08.600 a month, define for us what having nothing means. The 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.719 clothes on my that I walked in with really just 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.880 walked in with some clothes. Yeah, that was actually part 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.560 of a History Channel project that I did. Yeah, what 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.679 was that? It's a show called Alone the Beast? Uh 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.480 And you can watch it on who you watch on that? 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:27.040 You can watch it on saw it you saw? Rick, 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.040 I'll come back to you now back I thought I 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:36.840 was having a flash. Three people. Yeah, there's three people, 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.440 and it's like a process or not not a limit, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.160 but it's basically can you make it? The three people? 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.679 A hippie? I feel like there's always in those shows 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.040 on a different episode, not on mine. Is there any 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:49.920 way that you all think that this story will now 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.280 overshadow the story of me, the perception of me to 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.960 my wife. We'll bring that up appropriate, Yeah, okay, go ahead, Rick, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.800 know I the only reason I bring it up is 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.920 because like that, you know, well, first of all, there's 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.240 no rocks in Louisiana. I don't know if anyone knows 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.120 that or not. I don't spend any time down there. 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.639 So one of the things that was most frustrating to 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.760 the whole experiences, I've developed the skill, and I couldn't 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.040 do it. There were no rocks to while I was 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:18.840 down there. So it's you know, in a way, it's 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:20.600 sort of pointless that I'm bringing up in the sense 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.879 that I wasn't able to realize those skills or to 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:28.240 test myself in that situation. But I have done it here. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.000 Once you get done with this story, I've got a 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.960 story of why there are no rocks in Louisiana. But 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:48.280 one time I lived in the woods. One day we 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.480 started out. We worked out how to cut up an 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:54.399 alligator with read. Yeah, yeah, we yeah, we processed a 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.840 whole alligator with a common read. There were three of 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.919 us in the beginning, so you're working together. Were you 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.280 competing and not to know it was a team effort. 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:07.520 Nobody the anti surviv No, It's like, yeah, it was 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.920 weird that they shouldn't collaborate because I don't think I'm 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.480 under any like contracts or anything anymore. But like the 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.320 name was really misleading. There was we weren't alone ever, 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.000 so like they tried to hook it onto the other 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:25.080 successful series of the because it was like the same network, 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.159 but like they should have called it something totally different. 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.040 And I think that was a lot of the issues 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.000 that had with promoting it is because we weren't alone, 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.080 and we weren't filming ourselves. I mean we would at night, 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.880 but we were there was a whole film crew during 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.600 the daytime. So not only will we not alone in 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.040 the sense that there were other people in the experience 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.240 with us, but there was a whole film crew six 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:52.840 days a week out there with us asterisks like alone, right, 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.720 I think you're going I think that we should all 0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:09.600 suggest alternate names together in the woods alone? Yeah, so good? 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.160 You did you guys? You didn't get support from these 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:15.840 people though, No, Yeah, it was we were out there 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.560 figuring it out, and I mean I lost. I'm not 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.800 a big guy, and I think I lost twenty three pounds. Uh. 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.920 Yeah by the time it was all over. Crew were 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:28.520 they eating? Would they just pus? They were. I have 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.520 a lot of respect for those because because they respected us, 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.320 they never ate in front of us, not once. Uh, 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.960 And so yeah, they were Actually I really got along 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.960 well with the camera guys that were there. They were 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:43.639 very encouraging, you know, they were they were cool for sure. 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.000 And in fact, you we would know they would leave 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:49.080 and we were like, they're they're eating We come back, 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:54.240 and they would they'd come back and we'd be like, 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.800 did you guys have for lunch? That may always find 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.000 a way to change the subject or something, you know, 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.160 to be like, don't really know what you're talking about. 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.280 We were having a meeting, you know, something like that. 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.440 We were interesting. So, so Rick is the Flint and 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:11.080 Appers episode? Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, you know, I know 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:17.560 Clay Hayes who won. Yeah, that's a big deal, it is. Yeah, 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.880 I mean, not only did he win five hundred thousand dollars, 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.520 but he stayed in the woods. And and I would 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.439 have I've never watched those kind of shows. We we 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:32.879 just don't have network television twenty years, so I never 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:41.400 no candy, no TV we're seeing. I would be pretty 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.000 unfamiliar with these kind of shows. And when I talked 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.520 to Clay, it was it was interesting talking to him 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:48.439 because I talked to him after he had won, but 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.920 during the period of time when he couldn't tell anybody 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.680 if he won, right, and he was under contractual give 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:59.800 it to not give any intel. Yeah. I followed him 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.000 out the parking lot to what kind of truck? D Oh, 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:07.240 you got a brand new fort. I mean, this is 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.840 not like private intel. This is the whole marketing of 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:16.000 the show. So I'm not like giving a Saturday. That's 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:21.399 what I understood. And he said it was one legit. 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:24.199 I mean he said, they turn you loose. And he 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:29.840 was in British Columbia. Actually, I've got several friends who 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.880 have been on that show. Uh, and it's legit, like 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:36.280 they're they're not playing. They come in for medical periodic 0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.080 medical checks to make sure that people aren't gonna die. Ye, 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.680 Clay is thin. He's a thin guy. He put he 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.000 put on as much weight as he could before, so 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.400 he put on twenty pounds, which was really hard for him, 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:51.800 put on twenty pounds, and then he lost He lost 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.400 twenty pounds in the first twenty days, I'm pretty sure, 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:59.399 and then he stayed seventy four days. But man, on 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.159 those show I kind of got to once Clay was 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:04.920 on there, I started following it and kind of started 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.680 getting some intail from other seasons. And usually it's one 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:12.240 or two things that happened. That gives someone this major advantage. 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.040 And they were in a very non game rich area 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.320 of British Columbia, and Clay is an excellent traditional archer. 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.240 He killed a deer at some point and it was 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.639 the only big game animal killed. As as I recall 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.240 in the whole show, like ten items, isn't like ten? 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.440 I believe that's right. Yeah, get a list of ten things. 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:36.840 One of the items will be an RV. One of 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:42.399 mine would have been gummy. Just send these to my 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:48.200 wife so when I came home one day before, she'd 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:56.639 be happy. Okay, back to we're recording there, back to 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:01.600 why there are no rocks, and Louis Sianna, I'm serious, 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.320 I have a really legitimate answer. Do you know this? 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:15.600 The son? But I would be curious. Environmental soil science 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:23.719 know this. That's just operation. The best thing to do 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.760 is just not and then let him say whatever you know. Okay, Okay. 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:32.080 The Washing Tall Mountain are the place where the South 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.440 American continent bumped in North American continent. The mountains buckled. 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.720 At one time, those mountains were ten thousand feet tall. 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.760 The Washingtall Mountains only mountain range running east and west 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:46.080 in between the Rockies and the Appalachians. Those mountains were 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.360 snow capped. And at one time we're on the coast 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.440 of what we would call a g I mean, it 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.080 wasn't the Gulf of Mexico at that time, Joshua. At 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:57.480 that time there was no country of Mexico, um, but 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.560 still have Mexican Allow Ocean came all the way up 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:06.120 to the interior of what is now Arkansas, and so 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.040 there would have been a ten thousand foot plus range 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.080 of coastal mountains where the Washingtons now are. Those mountains 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:17.840 eroded over time and filled in what is now called 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:22.600 the Washatal Basin, which the Washington Basin is essentially parts 0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:27.080 of East Texas, all of Louisiana, and parts of western Mississippi. 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:32.880 And so the sediment of the Washingtals formed Louisiana and 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.479 all that stuff and all the rocks stayed here. So 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:40.000 Louisiana is the runoff Louisiana is it filled in the 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.600 ocean and then the rocks when you go down the 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.200 washing Toss, I mean, it's it's rocky and rough because 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:50.560 all that stuff stayed. I really don't know if that's why. 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:53.800 What do you think, Uh well, I think to add 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.080 to that, I would say that obviously like the Delta 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.320 and where the Mississippi flows into the Gulf, it's a 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.520 huge alluvial plane. There has been eons worth of silt 0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:08.720 and sediment deposited. Sounds like he's supported. Likely you didn't 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:18.480 use I don't even really made that when something swamp 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:31.880 and all of a sudden, he's like that. You you 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:36.720 just got the reason Rick is here? Is he now 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:42.680 the new host? I've been fired that. I think we're 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:44.320 on the same channel. I think we're on this. I 0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.400 think we are. You had the early version, I had 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:53.400 to later version. Think, man, that was good. That was good. Um, 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.760 switching topics slightly, just a smidgen. Daniel Rupe has been 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.400 on a roll and he killed another deer the oh 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.320 Man number four, Hey number four, and all giving Clay 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.240 a hard time. Aside, I would not be able to 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:14.280 hunt if it wasn't for Clay Newcombe took a swift turn. Yeah, 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:17.960 I have been so you know, we've been away for 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.280 a long time and it has been so fun that 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.080 you've been your first fall back, first fall back in 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.040 twelve years and I just got my fourth year with 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:30.320 a bow. That's just having a wonderful time. Your son 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.640 isn't a lot of pictures. Is he loving this? He really? 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:37.600 I'm probably this spring gonna get him a bow and 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.280 start taking him out. But he comes with it. He 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:43.440 came with me this last time. He didn't hunt with you. No, 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:45.040 I just don't have a set up for two of 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.320 us to be way up in a tree um. But 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.120 this last time, the whole last hour I was out, 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.840 it was just raining thirty degrees. Raining turned to snow, 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.960 and then I took this deer, and so the whole 0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.320 place was wet. And I went home and got my 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.360 my second son, who loves to come with me and 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.800 track him. And he tracked it with me for about 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:08.680 an hour. He got out in front of me. I 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.360 was like, his name is Zion. I call him big Z. 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:12.880 I was like, big Z get out in front of me. 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:14.800 You know, he just did a great job. We had 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:19.280 a that's that's probably a really good way to introduce him. Yeah, 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.760 letting him see the kind of the drama of the 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.600 trail job. And you know, you know, when you get 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.280 a deer, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm pretty sure 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.120 I got a good shot. I saw it, but did 0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.720 and you know, are you gonna get this deer? We're 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:34.840 gonna find it. And you go like fifteen minutes without 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.040 seeing blood and then you're like, oh, I got it 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:41.400 over here. You know it's he went. She went about 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.880 a hundred seventy five yards, but a real circuitous passed path. 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:47.520 You know, just all kinds of you hit it a 0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:49.720 little bit far back, a little bit far back, but 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.880 I didn't make any difference. This is well, this is 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:59.400 what he did, very far forward. This is this is 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.000 what I think me give you some advice. You're looking 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.560 for advice. Every time I pull back on a deer, 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:14.240 I just hear cleig giggling. Got at all? That's he 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:18.600 stays with me. He's gutted and now skinned and process 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:34.640 three of them. He's thirteen. Perfect. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.960 So Rick makes his own bows, does pretty much everything, 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.880 and I'm alright, yeah, I mean it's yeah. So he 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.440 every single component of his hunting weapon for bow hunting deer. 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.400 The only thing that I routinely used that um uh 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:56.200 you know I don't is a crossbow I used. I 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.080 do hunt with steel broadheads a lot. Okay, that's yeah. Yeah. 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.160 To clarify, like I have hunted a lot with stone points, 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:04.920 and I have taken a couple of shots at deer 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.960 um and learned some some tough lessons, but I have 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.840 yet to take one down with a stone point. But 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.920 you're using a self bow, yes, which a self Do 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:15.800 you know what a self bow is then? Nope? Okay, 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.520 a self bow is a one piece bow. Uh, it's 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.000 has no lamin nations. It's been carved from a single 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.200 piece of wood, as opposed to traditional bowl like those 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.280 hanging on the wall that have laminations. So you basically 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:32.440 took up stave and down the tree, split the trunk 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.759 into pieces, and then carved the bow from one of 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.600 those pieces. It would be the most primitive type of 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:42.160 archery equipment. So, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's really cool. 0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.840 You know, I've spent a fair bit of time with 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.440 a stone point on the end of my arrow hunting. 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:52.040 I told you about. So there was a year where 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.680 I took some stone points that my friend David Bond 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.799 here in northwest Arkansas made for me. It was a 0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:02.080 hybrid primitive deal. I was using a recurve bow, so 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:07.839 which is a a modern traditional traditional and I used 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:12.120 a carbon arrow and I took a grain field point 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.560 and on a band saw cut a notch out of 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.120 the field point, put the stunt the half of the 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:24.920 stone point into this little wedge on. I should have 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.160 used j B well, but I used I used sent 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:32.600 you that I bought, you know, send you and epoxy 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.919 and basically attached to stone point to a field point 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:40.040 so that it had it had threads on it so 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.960 I can thread it into a carbon arrow. And I 0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.000 was gonna try to kill a bear with it. And 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.640 I hunted a long time and just never killed a 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.479 bear that year. And uh, and then I was telling 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:55.000 Rick this, I was later tree stand whitetail hunting, trying 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.720 to kill a white tail with it, and I dropped 0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.600 it just for whatever reason, the arrows didn't fit on 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.920 the string real good. And it was I dropped an 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:08.080 arrow out of the tree. And when that arrow hit 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.200 the ground with no real force behind it, that that 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:19.440 stone point snapped. And it's that was humbling because most 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:22.120 of the humans that have ever lived on planet Earth, 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.640 let's just say a lot of them made a living 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.920 off stone points. And I mean, you know, just to 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.920 think it is not easy to kill stuff at the 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.759 stone point, especially when your family depends on it and 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:39.080 your wife has left eye dominant. Humble you very much, 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:44.320 though she's like, did you get a deer? No? You 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:53.840 better have some candy then else tonight. No, I've always 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:57.040 I've kind of tiptoed around the primitive world. I've never 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.279 gone as primitive as is some of the stuff that 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.759 ricks do. Them had deep respect for the guys that 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:08.880 really shot primitive archery. Um so yeah, my father, my 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:13.440 my brother's father in law, David Albright, primitive archer, usually 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:20.239 goes like this, it follows, it's Patrie. It's always like 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:25.319 somebody's something. It's the guy that you know that's done this. 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.120 But no, I was inspired to get into traditional archery 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:33.720 when twenty plus years ago, when I was a compound archer. 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.279 But I would go to my brother, my brother's father 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:40.120 in law's house, a fantastic traditional archer. Yeah, and he 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.560 just just it's a lifestyle, you know, and as it 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.200 is for so many of these guys. And he made 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:49.799 his own bows and and he I just was like, 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:51.840 as a kid, I mean, you know, twenty something, I 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.560 was like, no, that it's a cool way to bow hunt. 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:58.160 But it was so stink and hard. I just didn't 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.759 think it was approachable, and it would be about ten 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.680 or twelve years after I met him that I finally 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.640 kind of dove in. And that's what you kind of 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.319 have to do, you guys, just have to dive in. 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.960 There's just a lot of time involved in it, you know, 0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:10.799 And I get it. You know a lot of people 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.440 just want to go deer hunting. They don't necessarily want 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.160 to have all this extra stuff that they have to do. 0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.840 But if you enjoy like working with your hands, crafting things, 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.680 experimenting with things, like it's a really rewarding way to 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:32.920 go about it. Yeah. Yeah, Rick is pretty cood. A 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:37.520 lot of my friends do, especially the ultimate act of 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.000 hunting self limitations, you know, and that's really what we 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:46.280 do with every aspect of modern hunting. Nine of people 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.760 and there's some personage that don't, but we limit ourselves. 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.879 I mean, I went duck hunting last week and it 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.400 was the policy amongst the brethren I was with the 0:38:56.440 --> 0:39:00.400 only use twenty gauges. And it would be like, well, 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.040 why are you just using a twenty gage? And they're like, 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.080 you know, and there it was just a idea of 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:08.600 self limitation, and so we constantly, constantly do that So 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:13.719 transitioning into talking about the podcast, I invited Devin Pettigrew here, 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.400 but he lives in Colorado, so he couldn't come, but 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:21.319 we could the field trip Boulder, Colorado. I thought his 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.520 his section was so interesting. I talked about it with 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.640 a couple of the different guys, maybe maybe all of them, 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:31.319 but about the transitions, the technology transitions, that was really 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.760 interesting to me because that's something we see throughout history, 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.719 is human technology increasing, and there's always some kind of 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.360 drama at the transition. And we know that the fulsome 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:47.360 points were in vogue in being used by this culture 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.680 for a thousand years. I don't remember this on the 0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:51.439 podcast or not. I think maybe I took it out, 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.279 But when I was talking to Devon, I was like, no, 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:56.080 it wasn't him. If somebody else I was talking to, 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.480 I said, does a thousand years sound like a long 0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:02.320 time to you? And they were like, yeah, it seems 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.759 like eternity. But to me that sounded like a really 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.239 short amount of time when you think when you're thinking 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:13.320 about human history and all the other thousand year blocks 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.080 that are in there, and just for this short period 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.799 of time, there was this real radical technology that was 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.080 used it phased in and it phased out, and just 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.600 there would have been people having conversations about it. They 0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:29.359 would have had extremely practical conversations about that technology, just 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:33.000 like we do with our broadhead stuff. I mean, essentially 0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.080 we could have a conversation today about using cut on 0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:41.239 impact heads or using expandable broadheads. All of us would 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.880 be like, oh, man, you got to do this, or 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.200 you got to do that, or I can't believe you 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.680 did that. There there had to have been a time 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.239 when they were like, man, I can't believe you're still 0:40:50.280 --> 0:41:00.520 fluting those things, like this is really cool time. Yeah, 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.080 this is like three years of this. I'm out. So 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:07.040 I I was probably put too much thought energy into 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:11.280 form or function like or or like was it functional? 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.400 And I have decided today this morning I listened to 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.959 the podcast again. I decided it wasn't functional. It wasn't Yeah, 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.640 I mean, I just think about all the guys that 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.839 have you know, if if if you don't have an 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:31.719 outlet for art, like we don't have any material art 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.399 from that time period and the thing we do from 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:38.800 that time period of human history but not not not much. 0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.359 If you don't have that and you're putting all your 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.520 energy into this thing. At some point somebody should have said, 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:48.879 this is my signature. You know what I mean, I'm 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:52.560 gonna I'm gonna flute this thing because I would have 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.399 done it. You know. I can't tell you how many 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.000 decks I've built where I just do a certain things 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:03.600 to make it look cool or have a signature about it. 0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:07.120 I think that probably there was the guy that fluted 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.560 and then he taught I mean, if if we're talking 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:13.440 about small family groups, there had to be a guy 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.520 that was the first one to flute these things, and 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.879 he taught everybody else how to do this, and then 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.359 it just kind of carried on until people, you know, 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:26.440 either had their own signature or they found something more functional. 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:31.239 So I've decided, hey, I want to give I want 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:34.000 to give some backing to what Josh just said. When 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.719 Josh started talking, I didn't know he's going to say that. 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.680 But Josh is extremely crafty with his hands. Josh is 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:45.760 a very skilled carpenter. He ties flies. He builds Dan's 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:52.080 bug church yesterday, so my church built. Oh you get 0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:56.600 black Mary, not good enough for your church. And then 0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:01.160 and Josh also makes hats, so can wear your hands. 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:07.040 Josh makes purses, leather per your wife have a mustache. Um, 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.520 But I'm saying that's coming from a place of a 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:13.919 guy that works with his hands. You know. The one 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.360 the one thing that I thought about that when I 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:20.040 can't remember the gentleman that was um saying at the 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:24.120 Fulsome site, the Fulsome expert Meltzer, he was saying, you 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.120 could you could kind of tell they were probably three 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:31.120 different Yeah, he could identify different individuals based their style, 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.040 and he was kind of saying, I wouldn't be surprised 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.759 if these these these these folks kind of had their 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.279 own signature. So one of the things that made me 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:42.120 think was in the in the cultural anthropology class that 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:46.319 I teach, there is a hunter gatherer group that was 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:50.440 still in existence up until like the nineteen fifties that 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.160 was studied extensively, and so there we would have been 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:59.839 really similar to falsome people's but they had an intense 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:04.200 desire to all be the same, to not stand out. 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.840 So it's real egalitarian. So you could observe their actual 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.840 behaviors because you're not looking ats. So the bands of 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.240 you know, thirty people that would go around these water 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.239 holes and they would hunt and gather. And I can't 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.399 remember the mechanism that they used to hunt, but well, yeah, 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.120 I do. They shot arrows, and so they had these 0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:27.799 entire rituals as they would make arrows and then they 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:32.240 would exchange them because they needed to have everything level 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:39.319 because personal property would cause the hunter gather. Basically, yeah, 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.880 and so there were probably were three different folks that 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.920 you know that chip those rocks out. But then if 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:49.440 they were really interdependent people that were living day to 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.920 day subsistence dwelling, I don't know if. I don't know 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.359 if like other hunter gatherer cultures that we've been able 0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:00.680 to observe in real life, would espouse this really rugged 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:04.399 individualism of I'm gonna leave my mark on this. So 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.960 I'm deeply intrigued by what you're saying. Are you agreeing 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:13.480 or disagreeing? Function he's disagreeing with me, Well, because that's 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:18.759 what Dan does. I think. I mean, they wouldn't do 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.560 if it didn't work. But it probably is also beautiful 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.279 and something you take. But the idea of kind of 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.200 setting yourself apart would not have been something. I don't 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:31.320 know if that would have existed. Excellent and excellent point 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.399 that gives a whole layer to the culture that I've 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.360 never even thought of that these people would have had, 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.120 and they would have It's not like these were These 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:44.960 were humans that had the same cognitive capabilities est at 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.520 the same emotions that they were just like us. One 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.040 of their babies could have been the President of the 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:53.240 United States and they would have had deeply set culture 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.839 just like us. It's just it's just hidden from us. 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.399 So the idea that that they would have just had 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.000 these values of no one can stay out. But I 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.160 was going to say that could be to his point, 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.160 because it would be non utilitarian if they just didn't 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.120 want to change stuff, Like if a generation woke up 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:14.799 one day and they were the hunters and they were like, 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.920 we're doing this like dad did. Of the reason is 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.919 that it's because that's the way we were taught. There 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:26.360 wasn't this idea of self discovery or we're trying to 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.680 be different. The way they survived was they were the same. 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:34.680 That is non I mean that is part non utilitarian, 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.560 and that's where it's a whole different you know, two 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:40.160 I mean makeup a percentage, but probably two thirds of 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:45.200 the world that is interdependent agrarian. You know, they have 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:48.800 a huge value for honor and tradition. In the West, 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.240 where we're ruggedly individualistic, we kind of have this luxury 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.400 of what kind of clothes do I wear? And does 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.920 this shirt me? And does this express me? Well, you know, 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.400 but most of the world doesn't live at our level 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:05.000 of wealth. They value tradition because traditions what keeps you alive. 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:09.000 Why are we so ridiculous? I am fully convinced that 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:14.439 we have as Western thinkers. You can't help We are, 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:18.719 our our world views dominated by things that are very 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.800 hard to control or to see and understand about ourselves. 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:25.759 Us sitting here trying to understand these people is like 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:29.400 us trying to read Brail and having no idea what 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:33.440 any of it means. And well, we will read if 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:37.040 we're not careful, we'll read ourselves back there. Yes, like 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.520 you know, would I can't help. But compared to the 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:46.480 mac PC argument that because I'm a macron and PC 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:49.600 you know like it. I like MAX because I like 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.520 to say, because of functionality, because it's easier to use, 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.239 but also I think they're cool. Do you see what 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:56.960 I'm saying? And so, like I was listening to y'all 0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.239 argue and I thought and I wondered if maybe they had, 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:01.480 like probably not shirts that said I'm a mac I'm 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:07.320 a falsome. But somebody said fluters would have been a 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:15.919 good three on three basketball. But I wondered about when 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.759 it when it stopped? When, when when the utility wore 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.480 out on it? Because they got to come to a 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:31.719 point if you're only the ones you make are failure, right, Yeah, 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:35.160 Well that guy Bob the air head maker, he's only 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:37.280 gonna be able to tape so many rocks with him. 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:39.920 And when they take that process out of there, when 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:41.640 it doesn't have to be fluted like that, when he 0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:45.160 doesn't have to look just because Grandpa did it, you know, 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.080 somebody's got to say at some point, Frank, you're wasting 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:59.760 a lot of rocks. Frustrated Frank Candy before and his grandpa. 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.960 I believe that there are actual examples of of that 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:04.960 type of thing, Like do you know the Sloan site 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:07.719 here in Arkansas. You're familiar with that. You should really 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:10.879 check that one out. So it is onna a very 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:16.520 significant depository of this. Dalton the Dalton Point is what's 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:19.920 prevalent at the Sloan site, and it's near Crowley's Ridge, uh, 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.399 here in Arkansas, and there's different types of rocks there. 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:24.359 But as I understand it from things that I've read 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:28.240 about that as the stone sources begin to get further 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.120 away and they would dry up, then they started to 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.320 like not produce the points the same way anymore because 0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:38.120 the resource wasn't as good as it once was. Um 0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.240 And of course that's still very much a theory, but 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:43.560 but I think there there's some evidence to support that 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.480 theory that when they could get high quality stone and 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:51.000 it was available, they were gonna produce these really fascinating 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:54.839 articulate points. But when that went away, they didn't spend 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.279 as much time or they like began to work on 0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.640 a different type of point because the resource wasn't as 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:04.279 rich it was as as it decreases available. So there's 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.239 a lot of factors at work here. It's probably not 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:10.480 just one thing. My conclusion is that it's impossible for 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.759 us to know which we we know that it's it's 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.600 clear that there was utility, utility to the fluting in 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:21.040 the way that it fit into the half and all 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.160 the things we talked about on the podcast that made 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:28.000 it functional. But also, like what Dr Meltzer said is 0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:30.560 he said Essentially, he was like, maybe it could have 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:33.760 been both. Sure, you know, they he said they found 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:38.120 bits of red ochre in places where they napped, which typically, 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.360 he said, it could have been part of the mastic, 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:43.400 the adhesive that they used to plug it in, you know, 0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:45.440 to plug it into the half. But but he said, 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:52.000 usually red ochre was part of spiritual Yeah, like they 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.920 were they were putting ochre on this on these points, 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:57.879 whatever they did. So I think I think I think 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:03.840 missing Newcomb nailed it on the head, despite he's probably 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:05.200 trying to make up for that. What did you say 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:10.319 about the computers? It's the kind of cool that's it 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.520 functional but cool. I mean, I don't think it's a 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:16.359 stretch to think that one lead to the other either, right, like, 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.560 and it could also be the chicken egg thing, like 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:21.920 as far as like it was it functional first, and 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:24.839 then because it was functional, it became sacred and we 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:29.120 you know, or for whatever reason it was the other way, 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:34.239 it was decided this was sacred, but as we used it, 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:37.680 it was also very functional, which reinforced that. But to 0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:39.920 your point, we'll never know. But it's it's fun to 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:45.319 talk about. So can somebody. So I really and it's me, 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.680 it's not anyone else. I still do not understand what 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:51.680 an addle addle is. He was describing it, and I'm 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:59.680 so sorry. It's basically, it's a stefically a stick. It's okay, 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:01.719 So it's a stick, and they vary in length, but 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:04.200 on average we'll say they're about two ft long. On 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.239 the back there's a spur, so it's a stick and 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.440 it has a little spur on the back. Okay. The 0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:15.759 spur is where the back of the spear fits into okay, 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:19.239 a handle, and so it's a platform on which the 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:24.000 spear sets and as you throw it, it extends that lever. 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:29.680 I mean, it's so simple, I mean is and they 0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:33.560 get more complex. That's what he's talking about, the wrist motion. Okay, 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:35.600 And I'm so sorry to understand. You know, I'm glad 0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:38.120 you said that, because we spend a ton of time 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.960 verbally trying to describe what a fulsome point looked like. 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:46.440 I was torn with overlapping content because the thing you 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.920 don't want to do, and literature and different things is 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.040 overlapped too much, so you say the same thing over 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.440 and over because people get bored. I I asked Brunella 0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.879 Melter Devin Pettigrew, and then Rick showed us what one 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:02.080 looked like, trying to describe a fulesome point, and because 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:03.799 I just felt like that was important. And then I said, 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.160 go google it and if you had an image of it, 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:08.440 it was a lot. It would make sense. Man, I've 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:12.520 been thinking about this for five months and I now 0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.800 just now feel like when I see a fulesome point, 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.359 I get it. And it came from watching Rick make one, 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.640 actually watching him make one. And if I get it, 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:25.000 I mean I see the value in it, I see 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:26.680 the skill in it, I see the art in it. 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:29.720 I understand the functionality of it. And it took that long. 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:31.920 I say, I'll have to say I did not describe 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:38.400 what an adlout was because I thought everybody knew. Do 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.759 you have a video of him making that put on Instagram? Yeah? 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:46.160 Do you know what social media is? Did you ever 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:50.960 heard of it's called? Didn't show the actual flute breaking 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:54.920 off though, that's what I want to say that it was. 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:59.120 I was. I was holding the audio equipment. This what 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.120 I was doing was equivalent. It was probably harder than 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:09.479 making a fluted point. Was you I want to see 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:12.279 the stone? I was holding the audio thing and then 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.799 I was filming like this. I was filming Rick. So 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.520 in the fifth grade, did you really in the tomato field? 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:22.759 My brother and older brother Tim. No, I'll tell you 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:26.680 why I can't. My older brother Tim, he's bigging to 0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:29.360 find an area, heads and stuff like. He knows a 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.480 lot about him. Anyway, he's eight years older than me. 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:33.200 When I was in the fifth grade, he was telling 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:36.000 me about, you know, the Indians that lived here. I 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.320 hear where we raised tomatoes, where we had just found 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.880 some points. You know, they used adeladdles and bows and 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:43.719 this and that, and so he explained to me what 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:45.880 it was. So I got two tomato sticks and I 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:50.040 put a fence stapling into one and I sharpened another one. 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:55.319 And when he came back a couple of days later 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:57.719 to visit or whatever he just lived just down the road, 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:02.000 I threw it at him. I missed him, but he 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:03.800 he got the part that I threw, then chased me 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:08.399 down and beat the right So they work on both ends. 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.400 So but it did work. I mean I had that 0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:13.680 fence staple on the end of that. It worked good. 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:15.080 Oh yeah, you can throw it, you know. There was 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:19.480 a History Channels show Top Shot was like a marksmanship 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:24.120 competition where they you know, everything from modern supermodern firearms 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.319 and muskets and all that stuff. But they did a 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.759 big part of the competition with a laddles and they 0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:34.759 were they were did you know it? Missouri? Missouri has 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:40.520 a Missouri specifically season. Every I think it is a 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:45.239 crime against humanity and our ancestors that every state in 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.799 this country doesn't have an ad aloud season. I mean, 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:49.560 how many deer are we're going to kill? That Adds 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:59.239 right in Arkansas name a bunch of deer and no, no, no, 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:10.399 damn you. I mean that is the thought process, which 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:14.880 I believe is an incorrect thought process. I mean, tobacco, 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:20.560 we are here, adaddle's work, follow that back alladdle is 0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:22.600 the most primitive human tool in the earth, And I 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.560 legally can't go out in my backyard and try to 0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:25.960 kill a deer with it, but I can use the 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:29.600 thirty yacht six. Well here's the thing else. Yeah, if 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:31.640 we were standing in the court of law and they 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:34.439 let me in, my lawyer, let me talk, we would 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.880 win this. This is the classic you're going to defend yourself. 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:40.279 I do not need a quarter pointed lawyer. I will 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.880 speak for this is what everybody does. You're gonna get 0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:48.600 the Adeladdle season taken away. I think they should. I 0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:52.680 think here's another here's the add onto that add Addle's work. 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.840 Obviously because we're here. Folks also used to build fires 0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:58.719 without a firestarter, and out of all the people that 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.839 you know, how many people you think, it woke right 0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:03.200 out there and they woulds and set them on fire 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:15.280 without some spicer people very few. Sorry, you got demoted 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:21.640 to that level. That's the deal. I think they're doing it. 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:26.520 It's been that's their new motto. Missouri, we're doing it. 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:35.080 That's being shot out. I was just thinking about South 0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.840 I'm sorry, I was South Dakota came up and we 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.240 love South Dakota and South Dakotas before they had a 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:47.400 slogan that said meth. Oh yeah, we're on it. Yeah yeah. 0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:49.880 It was anti drug. This is for real. It was 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:58.160 marketing campaign said meth we're honest. They didn't run, they 0:57:58.160 --> 0:57:59.959 didn't have to be focused groups. I think they were. 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:02.520 I mean, I think they're like great, something else to 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:03.880 take everyone to the the tins shot because it was the 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:07.240 year before and they were it was that time. Take 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:11.880 that out. Just lost all the South Dakota listeners. We're 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:18.560 not nervous, we're just real quick. Oh my goodness, says 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:22.600 the Drug Task Force guy. I think the idea that 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:27.320 history defines us, whether that was your main history defines us, 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:29.800 whether or not we know it. But just like the 0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:32.680 fact that we're all standing right here because Adeladdle's work 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:34.920 and I don't even five minutes ago to't even know 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:38.240 when one was, history really does define us, whether or 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:40.600 not we know. That's a pretty big point. You know what. 0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:45.120 The conclusion of the series, That's what I love about 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:48.520 what we're doing is that this is not I didn't 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.760 plant Devon to say what he said, and I started 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.120 out with a genuine question like why does any of 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:57.240 this matter? Why is it important? And you know, we 0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:00.520 could talk about that for an hour. Why it's important? 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.640 I mean, is this just entertainment to understand this stuff? 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:07.959 Is it just entertaining or is there something more? And 0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:10.720 you know, Devon right at the end just said he 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:15.120 said anthropology is powerful stuff. He said, these all this 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.640 stuff is defining us, whether we want it to or not. 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:21.000 So whether with or without our knowledge of what happened 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:24.400 at Folsome and what these people did, and those things 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.280 are defining us. And I keep going back to this 0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:32.000 idea that we're in a time period when human nature 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:35.240 and humans we're we're it's like we're looking for a 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:38.200 new definition of what it means to be human. And 0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:40.200 and you can take that a thousand different ways. You 0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:45.080 have a thousand different examples. There's no salvation inside of 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:49.480 being a hunter. I don't want it to sound like that. 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:54.040 There is something that is very defining and very simple 0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:57.920 and very architectural, meaning that it is a pillar of 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:01.720 our humanity that we can't get away from no matter 1:00:01.760 --> 1:00:03.560 what we do. You can choose to get away from 1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:06.560 it for some period of time usually, but the fact 1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:10.160 that we're meat eaters and that we lived by an 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:16.200 intimate and and skilled connection to the land, that is 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:23.760 a primary definer of our humanity that has too and 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:26.760 in the future continue to define what it means to 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:30.320 be human. And so by looking back at this stuff 1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.400 and saying these people were just like us, all right, 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:37.000 just it changes it. It I meant what I said, 1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:41.000 and that it puts perspective on my problems. It puts 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:45.160 perspective on the challenges that I have inside of my life. 1:00:45.880 --> 1:00:48.960 Really does, and and it just it just kind of 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:54.440 grounds you moving away from satisfaction and identity inside that 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:58.080 some of this temporal, ephemeral stuff. What do you guys think? 1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:02.000 I agree absolutely. I have simplified my life over the 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:06.160 last three years too. I don't I don't watch the news. 1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:10.640 You know, what's the old saying. If you watch the news, 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:14.120 you're misinformed. If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed. 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:16.400 You know. I get a majority of the things that 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:19.240 are going on from people telling me, hey, I saw this, 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.320 this is what's going on here and there. I have 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:24.960 simplified my life around what's the old thing, I say 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:27.160 to you, If it ain't gun fire, it ain't you know, 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:30.560 everything's probably gonna be all right. And I that's where 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:33.320 I tend to lead my family in that direction of 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:37.800 simplifying and getting away from all the distractions and everything 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:40.120 that are going on, and we just pretty well concentrate 1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:42.640 on taking care of each other and our friends and 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:45.560 our neighbors, doing the right thing, and you go. But 1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:48.240 these folks that were making these that's what they were 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:51.280 worried about. They were worried about everything that they could 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:53.720 wake up in the morning and see. And that was 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:55.880 their world, and that was of course they may have 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:57.480 something to do with whether or not here now. But 1:01:58.840 --> 1:02:01.640 I may be wrong thinking, but it's it's right thinking 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:04.840 for me. Why does this matter to me? When we 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:07.320 talk about bear Grease? What I always how I always 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:10.960 describe it to people is bear Grease is not just 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:13.400 a podcast with Clay Does, but it's a metaphor for 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:16.439 how we live our lives. And that is we hold 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:18.760 on to ancient principles and we live our life by 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:23.080 ancient principles but use progressive tools, you know. So there's 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:26.120 there's things that really shape who we are, how we 1:02:26.160 --> 1:02:29.880 live as a family. Um. I mean everyone who listens 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.120 podcasts should know by now that biblical principles are a 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:34.800 major part of that for us, and that shapes who 1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:37.080 we are. But it doesn't mean that we like hearken 1:02:37.160 --> 1:02:41.040 back to some good old days that of like, you know, 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:46.040 I don't wear prairie dresses, uh from the eighteen hundreds, 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:49.920 although it's really on trend right now. But you know, 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:53.440 we I use computers. We we are you know, we 1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:56.400 are very progressive people in one way and we're always 1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:58.800 and I think that that's what you see inside of 1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:00.920 some of these tools. It's like you progress, and you 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:03.560 see I would define tools differently than you know, than 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:05.800 an arrowhead. Now those aren't really tools that I use, 1:03:05.920 --> 1:03:10.640 but we we use progressive tools to accomplish and to 1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:13.360 live lives that are governed by ancient principles. And I 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:14.960 think that anytime you look back at history and you 1:03:15.000 --> 1:03:18.040 look back at those things, you learn more data. Point Dan, 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:20.080 what do you think? Why does this matter for me? 1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:23.520 What really helped me through this whole series on the 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:26.760 Falesome is going you go back ten thousand years two people, 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:31.160 and they were people. They had culture, they had sophisticated 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:35.640 ways of engaging with one another, they had really complex 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:41.240 relationships and lives. And I think that narrative corrects a 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:44.160 lot of thinking that I mean before I probably did 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:46.280 think a lot about ten thousand years ago and people, 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:49.880 but just the idea that when you go back, being 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:54.000 human is a very very unique thing. And then I 1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:58.000 think looking at today and realizing how and you've said 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:01.720 it before, Clay, how absurd rdly different our lives are 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:06.080 today the vast majority of all people that have lived 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:10.120 it really does put our lives in perspective. And I think, 1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:13.880 because our lives are so different now, if ten thousand 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:16.200 years ago, there was you know, I'm making this up, 1:04:16.280 --> 1:04:19.400 two ways to define yourself. One was a Fulsome point 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:22.800 and one was a Clovis point. Today there's ten million 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:26.280 ways to define yourself, and the vast majority of them feel, 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:29.400 you know, just overly empty, and we just go from 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:32.120 one to the other. And I think that to me, 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:35.960 it's grounding. Yeah, Rick, why is this matter for me? Like, 1:04:36.840 --> 1:04:39.000 especially as someone who has kind of a foot in 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.919 both doors. Like, on one hand, I'm a like earth 1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:44.480 skills practitioner, I would, but on the other hand, I 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:48.440 sell the most modern technical outdoor equipment made for a 1:04:48.480 --> 1:04:53.000 living right. Uh Rick is part owner in a really 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.720 cool outdoor store, which you heard on the podcast. I 1:04:55.800 --> 1:05:00.920 spend money that this post there about years. Maybe we 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:06.400 could give your money now. I think though, that there's 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:09.480 a lot of value for me in that, because the 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:14.200 rate at which our society is changing is like exponential 1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:17.080 right now, right Like, things just change faster and faster, 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:20.040 and I don't know that there's a way to stop that, 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:23.240 and I don't know that that the speed at which 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:26.280 things are changing, well, I'll just say that I don't 1:05:26.320 --> 1:05:29.800 think it's good for us, but I think that as yeah, 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.800 as a species, I don't think that our brains were 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:35.840 necessarily made to handle all of the things that are 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:37.840 going on at once right now the way they are. 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:42.240 And so for me, looking back, I would use a 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:45.680 lot of the words you folks have already used, you know, grounding, connective, 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:49.760 and it uh. It feels really good to slow things 1:05:49.880 --> 1:05:54.400 now and look back at how people would have lived 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:58.160 and what they needed to live. And it reminds me 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:02.440 that we don't need most of the things that we 1:06:02.560 --> 1:06:07.600 have around us right now, because they're just things. What 1:06:07.680 --> 1:06:10.800 matters are the people that are around us, the relationships 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:13.240 we have with those people, in the relationship we have 1:06:13.400 --> 1:06:16.360 with this earth. You know. I I go back to 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:20.400 this idea that these falsome points thousand years and we 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:22.520 could have picked any style of point it could have been. 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:24.760 There's other styles, but just what we talked about was 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:29.640 falsome at fulsome point being transferred generationally. We see a 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:34.400 stone point because its outlasted the erosive nature of time. 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:40.280 But what other values and principles were passed down with 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:43.400 that stuff because there were fathers teaching sons how to 1:06:43.480 --> 1:06:46.200 knap stone. I know from being with Rick it's not 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:49.640 a fast process. You're in close proximity, you're talking. I mean, 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:52.280 I like to think about it as a as a 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:56.880 kind of a metaphor for just generational continuance and something 1:06:57.040 --> 1:07:01.520 stayed so stable for so long. I think families want 1:07:01.560 --> 1:07:03.240 that with their kids, and not that our kids would 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:05.640 be just like us. I don't care if my kids 1:07:05.640 --> 1:07:09.280 are just like me. There are principles and values that 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:14.880 I hope my life would impact generations from now of newcoms, 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:17.400 that they would be able to go. I'm a product 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:20.919 of that. I'm a product. I'm not I'm not isolated. 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:23.919 I didn't come up with this version of who I am. 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:28.160 You know I can. It's kind of a metaphor to 1:07:28.240 --> 1:07:31.000 me for generational continuance. To and to look back at 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:35.720 stuff like that gives you vision, just thoughts of yeah, 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:38.680 life is more than just making more money next year 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:41.600 than we had this year, getting a newer car, putting 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:44.720 a good Instagram post up, being successful in what you're doing. 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:47.640 I mean, like life is bigger than that. Looking back 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:50.200 does give us a sense of we don't need as 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:53.680 much stuff as we think we need, and the ridiculousness 1:07:53.720 --> 1:07:57.280 of this Western world we live in. It's incredible value 1:07:57.320 --> 1:08:00.320 on material stuff that will not outlast the roast of 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:05.200 nature of time. Right, But Josh, what is it important? 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:08.680 I'm not a philosopher like dan Is. I think the 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:11.680 thing that I draw out of it is looking back 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:16.679 at ancient people's like this makes me identify the things 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:20.680 that were produced in their lives that caused our species 1:08:20.720 --> 1:08:24.439 to continue on. And really that that comes down to 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:29.719 relational activity, you know what I mean, husbands and wives 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:33.960 and children and investing and providing and doing those kind 1:08:34.000 --> 1:08:38.759 of things, and the and the gratitude that we must 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:42.639 have for those things, and not not a sense of burden, 1:08:43.080 --> 1:08:45.240 but really a sense of gratitude that we have the 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:48.160 opportunity to build relationships with one another, that we have 1:08:48.240 --> 1:08:52.599 the ability to invest values inside of our children. Because 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:56.880 it's easy to get overwhelmed with the crisis and the 1:08:57.520 --> 1:08:59.360 all the things that are going on inside of the 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:02.000 world that one we stop when you know, the it 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:04.920 feels like the world is moving faster and faster and faster, 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:08.799 and in a sense it is. But when we slow 1:09:08.920 --> 1:09:11.599 down inside of our families, and we slow down inside 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:14.840 of our minds, and we stop reeling, and we start 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:17.960 thinking through things, and we start thinking through consequences of 1:09:17.960 --> 1:09:21.000 our actions that I think that that produces a lot 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:24.040 of value in our lives and a lot of peace 1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:26.240 and hope, because I think those are the things that 1:09:26.280 --> 1:09:29.639 are lacking inside of our society right now. Is peace 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:33.920 and hope, it's all just fear and uh So it 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:37.280 makes me stop and think, what what What can I 1:09:37.439 --> 1:09:41.640 observe from those people's lives? They worked hard, they were creative, 1:09:41.920 --> 1:09:45.760 they were strategic. And applying those things inside of my 1:09:45.800 --> 1:09:47.960 own life with you know, Christie and I as we 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:51.080 talk about our marriage and raising our kids, what do 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:54.759 we need to do to produce the fruit in the future. 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:56.960 I think we can glean a lot of those things 1:09:57.040 --> 1:10:01.000 when we look back historically. And uh, I think it's 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:05.120 I think it it's very thought provoking, you know, looking 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:08.840 looking at the folesome people, is looking at how they 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.639 made their points, and it provokes a lot of thoughts 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:14.439 that can produce a lot of fruit. So I think 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:18.320 it's good. Josh, I bet you buy your wife candy 1:10:18.720 --> 1:10:26.000 whatever she wants. I'm sorry, I had a great time. 1:10:26.000 --> 1:10:28.840 I genuinely did. We had so much fun. We had 1:10:28.880 --> 1:10:34.200 so much fun. I did about about giving me a 1:10:34.280 --> 1:10:36.439 hard time about my shot. It was just when you 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:39.599 looking over your shoulder and there's this big red squirrel 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:42.360 up in the tree. You gotta keep doing it, gonna 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:46.080 stop saying pointed like way over here, and the squirrel 1:10:46.120 --> 1:11:03.080 was like over here. Okay, listen. All fantastic stuff. Fantastic stuff. 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:07.320 I could talk about fulsome points for you know, I've 1:11:07.479 --> 1:11:13.400 I've feared that four episodes on Foalsome would get old. 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:17.360 It didn't to me. I really enjoyed that last episode. 1:11:17.640 --> 1:11:20.519 It was one of my favorites. Really, why was your favorite? 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:23.640 You know, I love I think I love the craftsmanship, 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:28.200 listening to things made and talking about you know, how 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:31.920 they would have halted it, and you know, in my mind, 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:35.080 I'm I'm visualizing all these things. I thought it was 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:38.559 a great It provoked a lot of visual activity inside 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:41.639 of my mind and I people. I heard a lot 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:43.200 of people say that they felt like it was their 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:46.120 favorite one in the series. But what was cool about 1:11:46.120 --> 1:11:48.519 it too? It's such a diverse series because we started 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:52.040 off with George mcjunkin and hardly even talked about uh, 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:54.920 hardly even talked about Folsome Really it was it was 1:11:54.920 --> 1:11:58.719 about George mcjunkin. You know, yeah, super fascinating stuff. And 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:04.479 the next already told, already foreshadowed what the next episode 1:12:04.520 --> 1:12:07.760 is going to be about. Yeah, it's and it's not 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:11.519 just about duck hunting, like, don't think that, but it 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:16.560 is a very specific issue that has broader applications to 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:20.000 wildlife management in this country and the decisions that we 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:24.200 make and how we build hunting culture. How's that for foreshadowing? 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:27.559 C Json, you're trying to bring in a season for ducks? 1:12:28.520 --> 1:12:34.680 Why wouldn't we? Why not? I can see that. You 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:37.000 see that spear right there, Rick, Do you see that 1:12:37.400 --> 1:12:40.320 I made that spear with the full intent when I 1:12:40.360 --> 1:12:43.160 was like twenty one, the full intent of using it 1:12:43.200 --> 1:12:46.400 to hunt a deer in Arkansas? And I called, uh, 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:50.120 called the authorities that be and they were like, uh, 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:52.320 you can't hunt it. I thought that I thought it 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:57.960 would just down automatically downgrade, like you can use a 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:01.840 I was like, hey, it's both season, I can use 1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:04.800 a spear, right And the dude laughed me out of 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:14.800 the park. He was it as unnecessary metaphorically he metaphorically laugh. Man, 1:13:14.880 --> 1:13:21.040 he didn't laugh. It wasn't good. His name was no. No. 1:13:21.200 --> 1:13:23.639 He was very professional with me. But he was just like, 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:25.519 oh wait, I mean he treated me like I was 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:27.400 a college kid, which I guess he had the right 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:35.720 to do. At Latree. Hey, we just keep going on 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:37.960 and on. I wanted to say this about Missouri. You know, 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:41.400 Missouri has a new bear season. Shout out, Missouri is 1:13:41.479 --> 1:13:45.040 doing it. They just instituted a new bear season. Man, 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:49.719 if you do anything in your life support when new 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:52.760 seasons arrived for species, they've taken a little bit of 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:56.040 flak in in that people. There's there's different things where 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:59.120 people are like, you know, anti the new bear season 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:04.360 in Missouri, which is ridiculous because the best thing, Daniel Roupe, 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:06.120 that could ever happen to you, if you were a 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:08.120 big game animal is that there would be a season 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:12.160 for you in that state. Because where animals have culture 1:14:17.040 --> 1:14:21.120 is such a complex story. Where animals have cultural value, 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:24.000 their habitat is protected and they are protected. Where an 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:27.200 animal has no cultural value, put it out the door, 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:30.240 we don't care. And we've got a thousand examples across 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:32.519 this plant where that has happened. You go all over 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:34.920 the globe and they don't have as many big game 1:14:34.920 --> 1:14:36.960 animals as as many as we do here in North 1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:40.679 America because they killed them all because they didn't culturally 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:44.400 value them through sport hunting. Roll it up and smoke 1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:50.400 it in your in your yeah, smoker pipe. I was 1:14:50.439 --> 1:14:54.400 looking for the Native American word for rolling up and 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:58.320 smoking in your piece pipe. Man. More tigers in Texas 1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:06.080 and there are in India. Wild you love it? Sounds 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:10.439 all right? Well, great to have everybody, Rick, great to 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:13.400 have you. Thanks, thanks for me. I enjoyed it. Yeah, man, 1:15:13.640 --> 1:15:16.799 Hey check out Rick pack Rat Bushcraft, kick in the beard, 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:21.320 in the beard Brent Reeves within a we all know 1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:26.400 what that stands for. Daniel Roupe, Oh d R Daniel 1:15:26.439 --> 1:15:30.679 Roupe Dr Daniel Roupe on Instagram and then farm Newcomb Farms. Yeah, 1:15:32.120 --> 1:15:36.479 very visually appealing. Yeah Instagram page. You want to see 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:49.360 some produce and some camera slightly leaning to the left. 1:15:50.080 --> 1:15:55.719 So much better. I just alright, guys, have a great, 1:15:55.880 --> 1:15:58.720 happy New Year. Happy New Year,