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Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: We need to get some mustache wax as part of

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Speaker 1: the restaurant. Daniel Rope can keep his mustache. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: fresh out. I had some right there. Oh that would

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Speaker 1: that would be spectacular. Yeah, too bad for those of

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Speaker 1: us that have some stage you look great. We should

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Speaker 1: get Misty a fake mustache. Feel so out of place.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like an outsider. Yeah, that would be

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Speaker 1: That would be really good. You can wear one of

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Speaker 1: those turkey beards. Good I feel. Let's get the fake mustache.

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Speaker 1: Misty gets a mustache for sure. Hey, welcome, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the bear Gara Surrender. Fantastic to see everybody here today.

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Speaker 1: It's it is it is. Okay. Envision envision yourself in

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Speaker 1: nineteen and ninety nine. Okay, and think about talking about water.

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Speaker 1: Had my water pure fire stoke exactly that's serious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm still ready for y kN entire container full of

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Speaker 1: peno beans. My mom stop? My mom got a pound,

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Speaker 1: you got a stop? You got a contagner full of

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Speaker 1: what peno band piano pinto no poo as well be

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Speaker 1: saying acorn. I do say acorn sometimes. Yeah, yeah, get

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Speaker 1: out background my family. I don't want to know. Okay,

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Speaker 1: back to my original question here, Um you guys a

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Speaker 1: question and ran I don't even hear a question. I

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Speaker 1: think it was. What I was trying to get at

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Speaker 1: was Okay, if you're going from one to two, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that big of a leap. Okay, But

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Speaker 1: imagine I wrote two today for the first time, wrote

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Speaker 1: it on a piece of paper for whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: dating something, you did this, or I'll show you what

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Speaker 1: I did. Look in that little note right there one,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, godly, can you imagine in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 1: stop that, stop that thought, and now think about five?

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Speaker 1: Do you see my point? Brent's open for next week.

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Speaker 1: Point being time seems to be continuing to progresses, So

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Speaker 1: happy New Year, Happy New Year. I don't see what

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Speaker 1: kind of this questions that we don't get to answer.

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Speaker 1: He actually answers for us. It feels a little bit

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Speaker 1: like do you remember deep thoughts with Jackie? A little bit?

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Speaker 1: A little bit jack had except not funny. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure the Addex guys and Rusty Johnson would have given

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Speaker 1: me this much flak. You're because they only spent a

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Speaker 1: week with you. We've known you since nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Dealing with the fallout I think I've met you in

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Speaker 1: nineteen would have been no. Twenty three years ago, the

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Speaker 1: longest out of prison by man, I know, and be

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Speaker 1: done with it. Well, wow, I said all that to

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Speaker 1: say Happy New Year. We have one mystery guest with us.

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Speaker 1: If you were if you really followed Burgaris, you could

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Speaker 1: probably guess who it is. You could guess the patterns. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the last podcast, which you should have, the fulsome part four,

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Speaker 1: the Miss the Unsolved Mystery of Fluted Stone, you there

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Speaker 1: would have been a guest on there that's here today.

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Speaker 1: I'll introduce him here in just a minute, as is

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Speaker 1: our custom. But to my left. Dr Daniel Route, great

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Speaker 1: to see you. Happy to be here. Really you considered

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Speaker 1: shaving your beard after you saw mine. Well, your mustache

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Speaker 1: does look really good. That's the nicest thing you ever

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Speaker 1: who will come back to to his laft, Josh Lambridge spillmaker. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Happy new year, to see you my My biggest desire,

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Speaker 1: It's that's gonna be good. To your left back for

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Speaker 1: wherever he came from, Brent Reeves. Hello, great to see Brett.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be seen. Everybody heard Brett's holiday greeting.

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Speaker 1: Michael Roseman suns apot lights calls me. He says, how

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Speaker 1: are you going hunting to night? To move my theory?

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Speaker 1: And so I'm going hunting tonight the trier coon, he said,

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Speaker 1: We wanted to go coon hunting on a real cold

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Speaker 1: what you're doing it. Yeah, here's what happened. We we

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Speaker 1: they're they're not playing. They come in for medical periodic

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Speaker 1: medical checks to make sure that people aren't gonna die. Ye,

424
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: Clay is thin. He's a thin guy. He put he

425
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: put on as much weight as he could before, so

426
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: he put on twenty pounds, which was really hard for him,

427
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: put on twenty pounds, and then he lost He lost

428
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: twenty pounds in the first twenty days, I'm pretty sure,

429
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: and then he stayed seventy four days. But man, on

430
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: those show I kind of got to once Clay was

431
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: on there, I started following it and kind of started

432
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: getting some intail from other seasons. And usually it's one

433
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: or two things that happened. That gives someone this major advantage.

434
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: And they were in a very non game rich area

435
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: of British Columbia, and Clay is an excellent traditional archer.

436
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: He killed a deer at some point and it was

437
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: the only big game animal killed. As as I recall

438
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: in the whole show, like ten items, isn't like ten?

439
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: I believe that's right. Yeah, get a list of ten things.

440
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: One of the items will be an RV. One of

441
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: mine would have been gummy. Just send these to my

442
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: wife so when I came home one day before, she'd

443
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: be happy. Okay, back to we're recording there, back to

444
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: why there are no rocks, and Louis Sianna, I'm serious,

445
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: I have a really legitimate answer. Do you know this?

446
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: The son? But I would be curious. Environmental soil science

447
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: know this. That's just operation. The best thing to do

448
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: is just not and then let him say whatever you know. Okay, Okay.

449
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: The Washing Tall Mountain are the place where the South

450
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: American continent bumped in North American continent. The mountains buckled.

451
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: At one time, those mountains were ten thousand feet tall.

452
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: The Washingtall Mountains only mountain range running east and west

453
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: in between the Rockies and the Appalachians. Those mountains were

454
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: snow capped. And at one time we're on the coast

455
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: of what we would call a g I mean, it

456
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: wasn't the Gulf of Mexico at that time, Joshua. At

457
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: that time there was no country of Mexico, um, but

458
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: still have Mexican Allow Ocean came all the way up

459
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: to the interior of what is now Arkansas, and so

460
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: there would have been a ten thousand foot plus range

461
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: of coastal mountains where the Washingtons now are. Those mountains

462
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: eroded over time and filled in what is now called

463
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: the Washatal Basin, which the Washington Basin is essentially parts

464
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: of East Texas, all of Louisiana, and parts of western Mississippi.

465
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: And so the sediment of the Washingtals formed Louisiana and

466
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: all that stuff and all the rocks stayed here. So

467
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: Louisiana is the runoff Louisiana is it filled in the

468
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: ocean and then the rocks when you go down the

469
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: washing Toss, I mean, it's it's rocky and rough because

470
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff stayed. I really don't know if that's why.

471
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: What do you think, Uh well, I think to add

472
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: to that, I would say that obviously like the Delta

473
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: and where the Mississippi flows into the Gulf, it's a

474
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: huge alluvial plane. There has been eons worth of silt

475
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: and sediment deposited. Sounds like he's supported. Likely you didn't

476
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: use I don't even really made that when something swamp

477
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, he's like that. You you

478
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: just got the reason Rick is here? Is he now

479
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: the new host? I've been fired that. I think we're

480
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: on the same channel. I think we're on this. I

481
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: think we are. You had the early version, I had

482
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: to later version. Think, man, that was good. That was good. Um,

483
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: switching topics slightly, just a smidgen. Daniel Rupe has been

484
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: on a roll and he killed another deer the oh

485
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: Man number four, Hey number four, and all giving Clay

486
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: a hard time. Aside, I would not be able to

487
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: hunt if it wasn't for Clay Newcombe took a swift turn. Yeah,

488
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: I have been so you know, we've been away for

489
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: a long time and it has been so fun that

490
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: you've been your first fall back, first fall back in

491
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: twelve years and I just got my fourth year with

492
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: a bow. That's just having a wonderful time. Your son

493
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: isn't a lot of pictures. Is he loving this? He really?

494
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm probably this spring gonna get him a bow and

495
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: start taking him out. But he comes with it. He

496
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: came with me this last time. He didn't hunt with you. No,

497
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: I just don't have a set up for two of

498
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: us to be way up in a tree um. But

499
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: this last time, the whole last hour I was out,

500
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: it was just raining thirty degrees. Raining turned to snow,

501
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: and then I took this deer, and so the whole

502
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: place was wet. And I went home and got my

503
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: my second son, who loves to come with me and

504
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: track him. And he tracked it with me for about

505
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: an hour. He got out in front of me. I

506
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: was like, his name is Zion. I call him big Z.

507
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: I was like, big Z get out in front of me.

508
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: You know, he just did a great job. We had

509
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: a that's that's probably a really good way to introduce him. Yeah,

510
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: letting him see the kind of the drama of the

511
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: trail job. And you know, you know, when you get

512
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: a deer, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm pretty sure

513
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: I got a good shot. I saw it, but did

514
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: and you know, are you gonna get this deer? We're

515
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna find it. And you go like fifteen minutes without

516
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: seeing blood and then you're like, oh, I got it

517
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: over here. You know it's he went. She went about

518
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: a hundred seventy five yards, but a real circuitous passed path.

519
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: You know, just all kinds of you hit it a

520
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: little bit far back, a little bit far back, but

521
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: I didn't make any difference. This is well, this is

522
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: what he did, very far forward. This is this is

523
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: what I think me give you some advice. You're looking

524
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: for advice. Every time I pull back on a deer,

525
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: I just hear cleig giggling. Got at all? That's he

526
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: stays with me. He's gutted and now skinned and process

527
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: three of them. He's thirteen. Perfect. Yeah, it's good. Yeah.

528
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: So Rick makes his own bows, does pretty much everything,

529
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: and I'm alright, yeah, I mean it's yeah. So he

530
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: every single component of his hunting weapon for bow hunting deer.

531
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: The only thing that I routinely used that um uh

532
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: you know I don't is a crossbow I used. I

533
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: do hunt with steel broadheads a lot. Okay, that's yeah. Yeah.

534
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: To clarify, like I have hunted a lot with stone points,

535
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: and I have taken a couple of shots at deer

536
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: um and learned some some tough lessons, but I have

537
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: yet to take one down with a stone point. But

538
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: you're using a self bow, yes, which a self Do

539
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: you know what a self bow is then? Nope? Okay,

540
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: a self bow is a one piece bow. Uh, it's

541
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: has no lamin nations. It's been carved from a single

542
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: piece of wood, as opposed to traditional bowl like those

543
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: hanging on the wall that have laminations. So you basically

544
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: took up stave and down the tree, split the trunk

545
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: into pieces, and then carved the bow from one of

546
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: those pieces. It would be the most primitive type of

547
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: archery equipment. So, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's really cool.

548
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: You know, I've spent a fair bit of time with

549
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: a stone point on the end of my arrow hunting.

550
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I told you about. So there was a year where

551
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I took some stone points that my friend David Bond

552
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: here in northwest Arkansas made for me. It was a

553
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: hybrid primitive deal. I was using a recurve bow, so

554
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: which is a a modern traditional traditional and I used

555
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: a carbon arrow and I took a grain field point

556
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: and on a band saw cut a notch out of

557
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: the field point, put the stunt the half of the

558
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: stone point into this little wedge on. I should have

559
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: used j B well, but I used I used sent

560
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: you that I bought, you know, send you and epoxy

561
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: and basically attached to stone point to a field point

562
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: so that it had it had threads on it so

563
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: I can thread it into a carbon arrow. And I

564
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: was gonna try to kill a bear with it. And

565
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: I hunted a long time and just never killed a

566
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 1: bear that year. And uh, and then I was telling

567
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: Rick this, I was later tree stand whitetail hunting, trying

568
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: to kill a white tail with it, and I dropped

569
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: it just for whatever reason, the arrows didn't fit on

570
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: the string real good. And it was I dropped an

571
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: arrow out of the tree. And when that arrow hit

572
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: the ground with no real force behind it, that that

573
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: stone point snapped. And it's that was humbling because most

574
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: of the humans that have ever lived on planet Earth,

575
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: let's just say a lot of them made a living

576
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: off stone points. And I mean, you know, just to

577
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: think it is not easy to kill stuff at the

578
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: stone point, especially when your family depends on it and

579
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: your wife has left eye dominant. Humble you very much,

580
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: though she's like, did you get a deer? No? You

581
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: better have some candy then else tonight. No, I've always

582
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of tiptoed around the primitive world. I've never

583
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: gone as primitive as is some of the stuff that

584
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: ricks do. Them had deep respect for the guys that

585
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: really shot primitive archery. Um so yeah, my father, my

586
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: my brother's father in law, David Albright, primitive archer, usually

587
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: goes like this, it follows, it's Patrie. It's always like

588
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: somebody's something. It's the guy that you know that's done this.

589
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: But no, I was inspired to get into traditional archery

590
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: when twenty plus years ago, when I was a compound archer.

591
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: But I would go to my brother, my brother's father

592
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: in law's house, a fantastic traditional archer. Yeah, and he

593
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: just just it's a lifestyle, you know, and as it

594
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: is for so many of these guys. And he made

595
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: his own bows and and he I just was like,

596
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: as a kid, I mean, you know, twenty something, I

597
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: was like, no, that it's a cool way to bow hunt.

598
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: But it was so stink and hard. I just didn't

599
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: think it was approachable, and it would be about ten

600
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: or twelve years after I met him that I finally

601
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: kind of dove in. And that's what you kind of

602
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: have to do, you guys, just have to dive in.

603
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of time involved in it, you know,

604
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: And I get it. You know a lot of people

605
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: just want to go deer hunting. They don't necessarily want

606
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: to have all this extra stuff that they have to do.

607
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: But if you enjoy like working with your hands, crafting things,

608
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: experimenting with things, like it's a really rewarding way to

609
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: go about it. Yeah. Yeah, Rick is pretty cood. A

610
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: lot of my friends do, especially the ultimate act of

611
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: hunting self limitations, you know, and that's really what we

612
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: do with every aspect of modern hunting. Nine of people

613
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: and there's some personage that don't, but we limit ourselves.

614
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I went duck hunting last week and it

615
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: was the policy amongst the brethren I was with the

616
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: only use twenty gauges. And it would be like, well,

617
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: why are you just using a twenty gage? And they're like,

618
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, and there it was just a idea of

619
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: self limitation, and so we constantly, constantly do that So

620
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: transitioning into talking about the podcast, I invited Devin Pettigrew here,

621
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: but he lives in Colorado, so he couldn't come, but

622
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: we could the field trip Boulder, Colorado. I thought his

623
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: his section was so interesting. I talked about it with

624
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: a couple of the different guys, maybe maybe all of them,

625
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: but about the transitions, the technology transitions, that was really

626
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: interesting to me because that's something we see throughout history,

627
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: is human technology increasing, and there's always some kind of

628
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: drama at the transition. And we know that the fulsome

629
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: points were in vogue in being used by this culture

630
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: for a thousand years. I don't remember this on the

631
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: podcast or not. I think maybe I took it out,

632
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: But when I was talking to Devon, I was like, no,

633
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't him. If somebody else I was talking to,

634
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I said, does a thousand years sound like a long

635
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: time to you? And they were like, yeah, it seems

636
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: like eternity. But to me that sounded like a really

637
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: short amount of time when you think when you're thinking

638
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: about human history and all the other thousand year blocks

639
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: that are in there, and just for this short period

640
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: of time, there was this real radical technology that was

641
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: used it phased in and it phased out, and just

642
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: there would have been people having conversations about it. They

643
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: would have had extremely practical conversations about that technology, just

644
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: like we do with our broadhead stuff. I mean, essentially

645
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: we could have a conversation today about using cut on

646
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: impact heads or using expandable broadheads. All of us would

647
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: be like, oh, man, you got to do this, or

648
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: you got to do that, or I can't believe you

649
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: did that. There there had to have been a time

650
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: when they were like, man, I can't believe you're still

651
00:40:50,280 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: fluting those things, like this is really cool time. Yeah,

652
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: this is like three years of this. I'm out. So

653
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: I I was probably put too much thought energy into

654
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: form or function like or or like was it functional?

655
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: And I have decided today this morning I listened to

656
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 1: the podcast again. I decided it wasn't functional. It wasn't Yeah,

657
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think about all the guys that

658
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: have you know, if if if you don't have an

659
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: outlet for art, like we don't have any material art

660
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: from that time period and the thing we do from

661
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: that time period of human history but not not not much.

662
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: If you don't have that and you're putting all your

663
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: energy into this thing. At some point somebody should have said,

664
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: this is my signature. You know what I mean, I'm

665
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna flute this thing because I would have

666
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: done it. You know. I can't tell you how many

667
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: decks I've built where I just do a certain things

668
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: to make it look cool or have a signature about it.

669
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: I think that probably there was the guy that fluted

670
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: and then he taught I mean, if if we're talking

671
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: about small family groups, there had to be a guy

672
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: that was the first one to flute these things, and

673
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: he taught everybody else how to do this, and then

674
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: it just kind of carried on until people, you know,

675
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: either had their own signature or they found something more functional.

676
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: So I've decided, hey, I want to give I want

677
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: to give some backing to what Josh just said. When

678
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: Josh started talking, I didn't know he's going to say that.

679
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: But Josh is extremely crafty with his hands. Josh is

680
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: a very skilled carpenter. He ties flies. He builds Dan's

681
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: bug church yesterday, so my church built. Oh you get

682
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: black Mary, not good enough for your church. And then

683
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: and Josh also makes hats, so can wear your hands.

684
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Josh makes purses, leather per your wife have a mustache. Um,

685
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's coming from a place of a

686
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: guy that works with his hands. You know. The one

687
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: the one thing that I thought about that when I

688
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: can't remember the gentleman that was um saying at the

689
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Fulsome site, the Fulsome expert Meltzer, he was saying, you

690
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: could you could kind of tell they were probably three

691
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: different Yeah, he could identify different individuals based their style,

692
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: and he was kind of saying, I wouldn't be surprised

693
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: if these these these these folks kind of had their

694
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: own signature. So one of the things that made me

695
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: think was in the in the cultural anthropology class that

696
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: I teach, there is a hunter gatherer group that was

697
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: still in existence up until like the nineteen fifties that

698
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: was studied extensively, and so there we would have been

699
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: really similar to falsome people's but they had an intense

700
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: desire to all be the same, to not stand out.

701
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: So it's real egalitarian. So you could observe their actual

702
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: behaviors because you're not looking ats. So the bands of

703
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, thirty people that would go around these water

704
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: holes and they would hunt and gather. And I can't

705
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: remember the mechanism that they used to hunt, but well, yeah,

706
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I do. They shot arrows, and so they had these

707
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: entire rituals as they would make arrows and then they

708
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: would exchange them because they needed to have everything level

709
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: because personal property would cause the hunter gather. Basically, yeah,

710
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: and so there were probably were three different folks that

711
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: you know that chip those rocks out. But then if

712
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: they were really interdependent people that were living day to

713
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: day subsistence dwelling, I don't know if. I don't know

714
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: if like other hunter gatherer cultures that we've been able

715
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: to observe in real life, would espouse this really rugged

716
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: individualism of I'm gonna leave my mark on this. So

717
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm deeply intrigued by what you're saying. Are you agreeing

718
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: or disagreeing? Function he's disagreeing with me, Well, because that's

719
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: what Dan does. I think. I mean, they wouldn't do

720
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: if it didn't work. But it probably is also beautiful

721
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: and something you take. But the idea of kind of

722
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: setting yourself apart would not have been something. I don't

723
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: know if that would have existed. Excellent and excellent point

724
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: that gives a whole layer to the culture that I've

725
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: never even thought of that these people would have had,

726
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: and they would have It's not like these were These

727
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: were humans that had the same cognitive capabilities est at

728
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: the same emotions that they were just like us. One

729
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: of their babies could have been the President of the

730
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: United States and they would have had deeply set culture

731
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: just like us. It's just it's just hidden from us.

732
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: So the idea that that they would have just had

733
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: these values of no one can stay out. But I

734
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: was going to say that could be to his point,

735
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: because it would be non utilitarian if they just didn't

736
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: want to change stuff, Like if a generation woke up

737
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: one day and they were the hunters and they were like,

738
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: we're doing this like dad did. Of the reason is

739
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: that it's because that's the way we were taught. There

740
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: wasn't this idea of self discovery or we're trying to

741
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: be different. The way they survived was they were the same.

742
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: That is non I mean that is part non utilitarian,

743
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: and that's where it's a whole different you know, two

744
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean makeup a percentage, but probably two thirds of

745
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: the world that is interdependent agrarian. You know, they have

746
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: a huge value for honor and tradition. In the West,

747
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: where we're ruggedly individualistic, we kind of have this luxury

748
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: of what kind of clothes do I wear? And does

749
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: this shirt me? And does this express me? Well, you know,

750
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: but most of the world doesn't live at our level

751
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: of wealth. They value tradition because traditions what keeps you alive.

752
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Why are we so ridiculous? I am fully convinced that

753
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: we have as Western thinkers. You can't help We are,

754
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: our our world views dominated by things that are very

755
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: hard to control or to see and understand about ourselves.

756
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: Us sitting here trying to understand these people is like

757
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: us trying to read Brail and having no idea what

758
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: any of it means. And well, we will read if

759
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: we're not careful, we'll read ourselves back there. Yes, like

760
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, would I can't help. But compared to the

761
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: mac PC argument that because I'm a macron and PC

762
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: you know like it. I like MAX because I like

763
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: to say, because of functionality, because it's easier to use,

764
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: but also I think they're cool. Do you see what

765
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And so, like I was listening to y'all

766
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: argue and I thought and I wondered if maybe they had,

767
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: like probably not shirts that said I'm a mac I'm

768
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: a falsome. But somebody said fluters would have been a

769
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: good three on three basketball. But I wondered about when

770
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: it when it stopped? When, when when the utility wore

771
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: out on it? Because they got to come to a

772
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: point if you're only the ones you make are failure, right, Yeah,

773
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: Well that guy Bob the air head maker, he's only

774
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: gonna be able to tape so many rocks with him.

775
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: And when they take that process out of there, when

776
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be fluted like that, when he

777
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have to look just because Grandpa did it, you know,

778
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: somebody's got to say at some point, Frank, you're wasting

779
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: a lot of rocks. Frustrated Frank Candy before and his grandpa.

780
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I believe that there are actual examples of of that

781
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: type of thing, Like do you know the Sloan site

782
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas. You're familiar with that. You should really

783
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: check that one out. So it is onna a very

784
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: significant depository of this. Dalton the Dalton Point is what's

785
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: prevalent at the Sloan site, and it's near Crowley's Ridge, uh,

786
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas, and there's different types of rocks there.

787
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: But as I understand it from things that I've read

788
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: about that as the stone sources begin to get further

789
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: away and they would dry up, then they started to

790
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: like not produce the points the same way anymore because

791
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: the resource wasn't as good as it once was. Um

792
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: And of course that's still very much a theory, but

793
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: but I think there there's some evidence to support that

794
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: theory that when they could get high quality stone and

795
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: it was available, they were gonna produce these really fascinating

796
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: articulate points. But when that went away, they didn't spend

797
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: as much time or they like began to work on

798
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: a different type of point because the resource wasn't as

799
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: rich it was as as it decreases available. So there's

800
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: a lot of factors at work here. It's probably not

801
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: just one thing. My conclusion is that it's impossible for

802
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: us to know which we we know that it's it's

803
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: clear that there was utility, utility to the fluting in

804
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: the way that it fit into the half and all

805
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: the things we talked about on the podcast that made

806
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: it functional. But also, like what Dr Meltzer said is

807
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: he said Essentially, he was like, maybe it could have

808
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: been both. Sure, you know, they he said they found

809
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: bits of red ochre in places where they napped, which typically,

810
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: he said, it could have been part of the mastic,

811
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: the adhesive that they used to plug it in, you know,

812
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: to plug it into the half. But but he said,

813
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: usually red ochre was part of spiritual Yeah, like they

814
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: were they were putting ochre on this on these points,

815
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: whatever they did. So I think I think I think

816
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: missing Newcomb nailed it on the head, despite he's probably

817
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: trying to make up for that. What did you say

818
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: about the computers? It's the kind of cool that's it

819
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: functional but cool. I mean, I don't think it's a

820
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: stretch to think that one lead to the other either, right, like,

821
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: and it could also be the chicken egg thing, like

822
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: as far as like it was it functional first, and

823
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: then because it was functional, it became sacred and we

824
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, or for whatever reason it was the other way,

825
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: it was decided this was sacred, but as we used it,

826
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: it was also very functional, which reinforced that. But to

827
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: your point, we'll never know. But it's it's fun to

828
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: talk about. So can somebody. So I really and it's me,

829
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: it's not anyone else. I still do not understand what

830
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: an addle addle is. He was describing it, and I'm

831
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: so sorry. It's basically, it's a stefically a stick. It's okay,

832
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: So it's a stick, and they vary in length, but

833
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: on average we'll say they're about two ft long. On

834
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: the back there's a spur, so it's a stick and

835
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: it has a little spur on the back. Okay. The

836
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: spur is where the back of the spear fits into okay,

837
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: a handle, and so it's a platform on which the

838
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: spear sets and as you throw it, it extends that lever.

839
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so simple, I mean is and they

840
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: get more complex. That's what he's talking about, the wrist motion. Okay,

841
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: And I'm so sorry to understand. You know, I'm glad

842
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: you said that, because we spend a ton of time

843
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: verbally trying to describe what a fulsome point looked like.

844
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: I was torn with overlapping content because the thing you

845
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: don't want to do, and literature and different things is

846
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: overlapped too much, so you say the same thing over

847
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: and over because people get bored. I I asked Brunella

848
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: Melter Devin Pettigrew, and then Rick showed us what one

849
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: looked like, trying to describe a fulesome point, and because

850
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: I just felt like that was important. And then I said,

851
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: go google it and if you had an image of it,

852
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: it was a lot. It would make sense. Man, I've

853
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: been thinking about this for five months and I now

854
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: just now feel like when I see a fulesome point,

855
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: I get it. And it came from watching Rick make one,

856
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: actually watching him make one. And if I get it,

857
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean I see the value in it, I see

858
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: the skill in it, I see the art in it.

859
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: I understand the functionality of it. And it took that long.

860
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: I say, I'll have to say I did not describe

861
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: what an adlout was because I thought everybody knew. Do

862
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: you have a video of him making that put on Instagram? Yeah?

863
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: Do you know what social media is? Did you ever

864
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: heard of it's called? Didn't show the actual flute breaking

865
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: off though, that's what I want to say that it was.

866
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: I was. I was holding the audio equipment. This what

867
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: I was doing was equivalent. It was probably harder than

868
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 1: making a fluted point. Was you I want to see

869
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: the stone? I was holding the audio thing and then

870
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: I was filming like this. I was filming Rick. So

871
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: in the fifth grade, did you really in the tomato field?

872
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: My brother and older brother Tim. No, I'll tell you

873
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: why I can't. My older brother Tim, he's bigging to

874
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: find an area, heads and stuff like. He knows a

875
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: lot about him. Anyway, he's eight years older than me.

876
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: When I was in the fifth grade, he was telling

877
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: me about, you know, the Indians that lived here. I

878
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: hear where we raised tomatoes, where we had just found

879
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: some points. You know, they used adeladdles and bows and

880
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: this and that, and so he explained to me what

881
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: it was. So I got two tomato sticks and I

882
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: put a fence stapling into one and I sharpened another one.

883
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: And when he came back a couple of days later

884
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: to visit or whatever he just lived just down the road,

885
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: I threw it at him. I missed him, but he

886
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: he got the part that I threw, then chased me

887
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: down and beat the right So they work on both ends.

888
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: So but it did work. I mean I had that

889
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: fence staple on the end of that. It worked good.

890
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can throw it, you know. There was

891
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: a History Channels show Top Shot was like a marksmanship

892
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: competition where they you know, everything from modern supermodern firearms

893
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: and muskets and all that stuff. But they did a

894
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: big part of the competition with a laddles and they

895
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: were they were did you know it? Missouri? Missouri has

896
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: a Missouri specifically season. Every I think it is a

897
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: crime against humanity and our ancestors that every state in

898
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: this country doesn't have an ad aloud season. I mean,

899
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: how many deer are we're going to kill? That Adds

900
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: right in Arkansas name a bunch of deer and no, no, no,

901
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: damn you. I mean that is the thought process, which

902
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: I believe is an incorrect thought process. I mean, tobacco,

903
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: we are here, adaddle's work, follow that back alladdle is

904
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: the most primitive human tool in the earth, And I

905
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: legally can't go out in my backyard and try to

906
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: kill a deer with it, but I can use the

907
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: thirty yacht six. Well here's the thing else. Yeah, if

908
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: we were standing in the court of law and they

909
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: let me in, my lawyer, let me talk, we would

910
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: win this. This is the classic you're going to defend yourself.

911
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: I do not need a quarter pointed lawyer. I will

912
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: speak for this is what everybody does. You're gonna get

913
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: the Adeladdle season taken away. I think they should. I

914
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: think here's another here's the add onto that add Addle's work.

915
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: Obviously because we're here. Folks also used to build fires

916
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: without a firestarter, and out of all the people that

917
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, how many people you think, it woke right

918
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: out there and they woulds and set them on fire

919
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: without some spicer people very few. Sorry, you got demoted

920
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: to that level. That's the deal. I think they're doing it.

921
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: It's been that's their new motto. Missouri, we're doing it.

922
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: That's being shot out. I was just thinking about South

923
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was South Dakota came up and we

924
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: love South Dakota and South Dakotas before they had a

925
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: slogan that said meth. Oh yeah, we're on it. Yeah yeah.

926
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: It was anti drug. This is for real. It was

927
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: marketing campaign said meth we're honest. They didn't run, they

928
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: didn't have to be focused groups. I think they were.

929
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're like great, something else to

930
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: take everyone to the the tins shot because it was the

931
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: year before and they were it was that time. Take

932
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: that out. Just lost all the South Dakota listeners. We're

933
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: not nervous, we're just real quick. Oh my goodness, says

934
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: the Drug Task Force guy. I think the idea that

935
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: history defines us, whether that was your main history defines us,

936
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: whether or not we know it. But just like the

937
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: fact that we're all standing right here because Adeladdle's work

938
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: and I don't even five minutes ago to't even know

939
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: when one was, history really does define us, whether or

940
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: not we know. That's a pretty big point. You know what.

941
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: The conclusion of the series, That's what I love about

942
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: what we're doing is that this is not I didn't

943
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: plant Devon to say what he said, and I started

944
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: out with a genuine question like why does any of

945
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: this matter? Why is it important? And you know, we

946
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: could talk about that for an hour. Why it's important?

947
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, is this just entertainment to understand this stuff?

948
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 1: Is it just entertaining or is there something more? And

949
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, Devon right at the end just said he

950
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: said anthropology is powerful stuff. He said, these all this

951
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: stuff is defining us, whether we want it to or not.

952
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: So whether with or without our knowledge of what happened

953
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: at Folsome and what these people did, and those things

954
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: are defining us. And I keep going back to this

955
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: idea that we're in a time period when human nature

956
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: and humans we're we're it's like we're looking for a

957
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: new definition of what it means to be human. And

958
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: and you can take that a thousand different ways. You

959
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: have a thousand different examples. There's no salvation inside of

960
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: being a hunter. I don't want it to sound like that.

961
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: There is something that is very defining and very simple

962
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: and very architectural, meaning that it is a pillar of

963
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: our humanity that we can't get away from no matter

964
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: what we do. You can choose to get away from

965
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: it for some period of time usually, but the fact

966
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: that we're meat eaters and that we lived by an

967
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: intimate and and skilled connection to the land, that is

968
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: a primary definer of our humanity that has too and

969
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: in the future continue to define what it means to

970
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: be human. And so by looking back at this stuff

971
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: and saying these people were just like us, all right,

972
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: just it changes it. It I meant what I said,

973
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: and that it puts perspective on my problems. It puts

974
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: perspective on the challenges that I have inside of my life.

975
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: Really does, and and it just it just kind of

976
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: grounds you moving away from satisfaction and identity inside that

977
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: some of this temporal, ephemeral stuff. What do you guys think?

978
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: I agree absolutely. I have simplified my life over the

979
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: last three years too. I don't I don't watch the news.

980
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: You know, what's the old saying. If you watch the news,

981
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: you're misinformed. If you don't watch the news, you're uninformed.

982
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: You know. I get a majority of the things that

983
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: are going on from people telling me, hey, I saw this,

984
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: this is what's going on here and there. I have

985
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: simplified my life around what's the old thing, I say

986
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: to you, If it ain't gun fire, it ain't you know,

987
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: everything's probably gonna be all right. And I that's where

988
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: I tend to lead my family in that direction of

989
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: simplifying and getting away from all the distractions and everything

990
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: that are going on, and we just pretty well concentrate

991
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: on taking care of each other and our friends and

992
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: our neighbors, doing the right thing, and you go. But

993
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: these folks that were making these that's what they were

994
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: worried about. They were worried about everything that they could

995
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and see. And that was

996
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: their world, and that was of course they may have

997
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: something to do with whether or not here now. But

998
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: I may be wrong thinking, but it's it's right thinking

999
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: for me. Why does this matter to me? When we

1000
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: talk about bear Grease? What I always how I always

1001
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: describe it to people is bear Grease is not just

1002
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: a podcast with Clay Does, but it's a metaphor for

1003
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 1: how we live our lives. And that is we hold

1004
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: on to ancient principles and we live our life by

1005
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: ancient principles but use progressive tools, you know. So there's

1006
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: there's things that really shape who we are, how we

1007
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: live as a family. Um. I mean everyone who listens

1008
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: podcasts should know by now that biblical principles are a

1009
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: major part of that for us, and that shapes who

1010
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: we are. But it doesn't mean that we like hearken

1011
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: back to some good old days that of like, you know,

1012
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't wear prairie dresses, uh from the eighteen hundreds,

1013
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: although it's really on trend right now. But you know,

1014
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: we I use computers. We we are you know, we

1015
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: are very progressive people in one way and we're always

1016
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: and I think that that's what you see inside of

1017
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: some of these tools. It's like you progress, and you

1018
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: see I would define tools differently than you know, than

1019
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: an arrowhead. Now those aren't really tools that I use,

1020
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: but we we use progressive tools to accomplish and to

1021
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: live lives that are governed by ancient principles. And I

1022
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: think that anytime you look back at history and you

1023
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: look back at those things, you learn more data. Point Dan,

1024
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: what do you think? Why does this matter for me?

1025
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: What really helped me through this whole series on the

1026
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: Falesome is going you go back ten thousand years two people,

1027
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: and they were people. They had culture, they had sophisticated

1028
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: ways of engaging with one another, they had really complex

1029
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: relationships and lives. And I think that narrative corrects a

1030
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: lot of thinking that I mean before I probably did

1031
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: think a lot about ten thousand years ago and people,

1032
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: but just the idea that when you go back, being

1033
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: human is a very very unique thing. And then I

1034
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: think looking at today and realizing how and you've said

1035
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: it before, Clay, how absurd rdly different our lives are

1036
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: today the vast majority of all people that have lived

1037
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: it really does put our lives in perspective. And I think,

1038
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: because our lives are so different now, if ten thousand

1039
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: years ago, there was you know, I'm making this up,

1040
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: two ways to define yourself. One was a Fulsome point

1041
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: and one was a Clovis point. Today there's ten million

1042
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: ways to define yourself, and the vast majority of them feel,

1043
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, just overly empty, and we just go from

1044
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: one to the other. And I think that to me,

1045
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: it's grounding. Yeah, Rick, why is this matter for me? Like,

1046
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: especially as someone who has kind of a foot in

1047
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 1: both doors. Like, on one hand, I'm a like earth

1048
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: skills practitioner, I would, but on the other hand, I

1049
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: sell the most modern technical outdoor equipment made for a

1050
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: living right. Uh Rick is part owner in a really

1051
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: cool outdoor store, which you heard on the podcast. I

1052
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: spend money that this post there about years. Maybe we

1053
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: could give your money now. I think though, that there's

1054
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot of value for me in that, because the

1055
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: rate at which our society is changing is like exponential

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Speaker 1: right now, right Like, things just change faster and faster,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know that there's a way to stop that,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know that that the speed at which

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Speaker 1: things are changing, well, I'll just say that I don't

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01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: think it's good for us, but I think that as yeah,

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Speaker 1: as a species, I don't think that our brains were

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Speaker 1: necessarily made to handle all of the things that are

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Speaker 1: going on at once right now the way they are.

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Speaker 1: And so for me, looking back, I would use a

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Speaker 1: lot of the words you folks have already used, you know, grounding, connective,

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Speaker 1: and it uh. It feels really good to slow things

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Speaker 1: now and look back at how people would have lived

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Speaker 1: and what they needed to live. And it reminds me

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Speaker 1: that we don't need most of the things that we

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Speaker 1: have around us right now, because they're just things. What

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Speaker 1: matters are the people that are around us, the relationships

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Speaker 1: we have with those people, in the relationship we have

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Speaker 1: with this earth. You know. I I go back to

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Speaker 1: this idea that these falsome points thousand years and we

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: could have picked any style of point it could have been.

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01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: There's other styles, but just what we talked about was

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01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: falsome at fulsome point being transferred generationally. We see a

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Speaker 1: stone point because its outlasted the erosive nature of time.

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Speaker 1: But what other values and principles were passed down with

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Speaker 1: that stuff because there were fathers teaching sons how to

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Speaker 1: knap stone. I know from being with Rick it's not

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01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: a fast process. You're in close proximity, you're talking. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I like to think about it as a as a

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: kind of a metaphor for just generational continuance and something

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01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: stayed so stable for so long. I think families want

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: that with their kids, and not that our kids would

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01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: be just like us. I don't care if my kids

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01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: are just like me. There are principles and values that

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01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: I hope my life would impact generations from now of newcoms,

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01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: that they would be able to go. I'm a product

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 1: of that. I'm a product. I'm not I'm not isolated.

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 1: I didn't come up with this version of who I am.

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01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: You know I can. It's kind of a metaphor to

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: me for generational continuance. To and to look back at

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that gives you vision, just thoughts of yeah,

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01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: life is more than just making more money next year

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01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: than we had this year, getting a newer car, putting

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01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: a good Instagram post up, being successful in what you're doing.

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like life is bigger than that. Looking back

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01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: does give us a sense of we don't need as

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: much stuff as we think we need, and the ridiculousness

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: of this Western world we live in. It's incredible value

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: on material stuff that will not outlast the roast of

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01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: nature of time. Right, But Josh, what is it important?

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01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a philosopher like dan Is. I think the

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: thing that I draw out of it is looking back

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01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: at ancient people's like this makes me identify the things

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: that were produced in their lives that caused our species

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01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: to continue on. And really that that comes down to

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01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: relational activity, you know what I mean, husbands and wives

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01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: and children and investing and providing and doing those kind

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,759
Speaker 1: of things, and the and the gratitude that we must

1113
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 1: have for those things, and not not a sense of burden,

1114
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: but really a sense of gratitude that we have the

1115
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: opportunity to build relationships with one another, that we have

1116
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: the ability to invest values inside of our children. Because

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01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: it's easy to get overwhelmed with the crisis and the

1118
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: all the things that are going on inside of the

1119
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: world that one we stop when you know, the it

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: feels like the world is moving faster and faster and faster,

1121
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 1: and in a sense it is. But when we slow

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01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: down inside of our families, and we slow down inside

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01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: of our minds, and we stop reeling, and we start

1124
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: thinking through things, and we start thinking through consequences of

1125
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: our actions that I think that that produces a lot

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: of value in our lives and a lot of peace

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01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: and hope, because I think those are the things that

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01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: are lacking inside of our society right now. Is peace

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01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: and hope, it's all just fear and uh So it

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01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: makes me stop and think, what what What can I

1131
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: observe from those people's lives? They worked hard, they were creative,

1132
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: they were strategic. And applying those things inside of my

1133
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: own life with you know, Christie and I as we

1134
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: talk about our marriage and raising our kids, what do

1135
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 1: we need to do to produce the fruit in the future.

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01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: I think we can glean a lot of those things

1137
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: when we look back historically. And uh, I think it's

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: I think it it's very thought provoking, you know, looking

1139
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: looking at the folesome people, is looking at how they

1140
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: made their points, and it provokes a lot of thoughts

1141
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: that can produce a lot of fruit. So I think

1142
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: it's good. Josh, I bet you buy your wife candy

1143
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: whatever she wants. I'm sorry, I had a great time.

1144
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: I genuinely did. We had so much fun. We had

1145
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: so much fun. I did about about giving me a

1146
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: hard time about my shot. It was just when you

1147
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: looking over your shoulder and there's this big red squirrel

1148
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: up in the tree. You gotta keep doing it, gonna

1149
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: stop saying pointed like way over here, and the squirrel

1150
01:10:46,120 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: was like over here. Okay, listen. All fantastic stuff. Fantastic stuff.

1151
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: I could talk about fulsome points for you know, I've

1152
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: I've feared that four episodes on Foalsome would get old.

1153
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: It didn't to me. I really enjoyed that last episode.

1154
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorites. Really, why was your favorite?

1155
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 1: You know, I love I think I love the craftsmanship,

1156
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: listening to things made and talking about you know, how

1157
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: they would have halted it, and you know, in my mind,

1158
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm visualizing all these things. I thought it was

1159
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: a great It provoked a lot of visual activity inside

1160
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: of my mind and I people. I heard a lot

1161
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: of people say that they felt like it was their

1162
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: favorite one in the series. But what was cool about

1163
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: it too? It's such a diverse series because we started

1164
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: off with George mcjunkin and hardly even talked about uh,

1165
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: hardly even talked about Folsome Really it was it was

1166
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: about George mcjunkin. You know, yeah, super fascinating stuff. And

1167
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: the next already told, already foreshadowed what the next episode

1168
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: is going to be about. Yeah, it's and it's not

1169
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: just about duck hunting, like, don't think that, but it

1170
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 1: is a very specific issue that has broader applications to

1171
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: wildlife management in this country and the decisions that we

1172
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: make and how we build hunting culture. How's that for foreshadowing?

1173
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: C Json, you're trying to bring in a season for ducks?

1174
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we? Why not? I can see that. You

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01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: see that spear right there, Rick, Do you see that

1176
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: I made that spear with the full intent when I

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01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: was like twenty one, the full intent of using it

1178
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: to hunt a deer in Arkansas? And I called, uh,

1179
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: called the authorities that be and they were like, uh,

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01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: you can't hunt it. I thought that I thought it

1181
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: would just down automatically downgrade, like you can use a

1182
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, it's both season, I can use

1183
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: a spear, right And the dude laughed me out of

1184
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: the park. He was it as unnecessary metaphorically he metaphorically laugh. Man,

1185
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: he didn't laugh. It wasn't good. His name was no. No.

1186
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: He was very professional with me. But he was just like,

1187
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: oh wait, I mean he treated me like I was

1188
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: a college kid, which I guess he had the right

1189
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: to do. At Latree. Hey, we just keep going on

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01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: and on. I wanted to say this about Missouri. You know,

1191
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: Missouri has a new bear season. Shout out, Missouri is

1192
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: doing it. They just instituted a new bear season. Man,

1193
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: if you do anything in your life support when new

1194
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: seasons arrived for species, they've taken a little bit of

1195
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: flak in in that people. There's there's different things where

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: people are like, you know, anti the new bear season

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01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: in Missouri, which is ridiculous because the best thing, Daniel Roupe,

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: that could ever happen to you, if you were a

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: big game animal is that there would be a season

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: for you in that state. Because where animals have culture

1201
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: is such a complex story. Where animals have cultural value,

1202
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: their habitat is protected and they are protected. Where an

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: animal has no cultural value, put it out the door,

1204
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: we don't care. And we've got a thousand examples across

1205
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: this plant where that has happened. You go all over

1206
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: the globe and they don't have as many big game

1207
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: animals as as many as we do here in North

1208
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: America because they killed them all because they didn't culturally

1209
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: value them through sport hunting. Roll it up and smoke

1210
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: it in your in your yeah, smoker pipe. I was

1211
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: looking for the Native American word for rolling up and

1212
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: smoking in your piece pipe. Man. More tigers in Texas

1213
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: and there are in India. Wild you love it? Sounds

1214
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: all right? Well, great to have everybody, Rick, great to

1215
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: have you. Thanks, thanks for me. I enjoyed it. Yeah, man,

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 1: Hey check out Rick pack Rat Bushcraft, kick in the beard,

1217
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: in the beard Brent Reeves within a we all know

1218
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: what that stands for. Daniel Roupe, Oh d R Daniel

1219
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 1: Roupe Dr Daniel Roupe on Instagram and then farm Newcomb Farms. Yeah,

1220
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: very visually appealing. Yeah Instagram page. You want to see

1221
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: some produce and some camera slightly leaning to the left.

1222
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: So much better. I just alright, guys, have a great,

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Speaker 1: happy New Year. Happy New Year,