Speaker 1: Look mare, oh, I see you my own and look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, goodness lost culture lost,
Speaker 1: culture calling. They've had a full day, the two of them.
Speaker 1: I want you to know how hard we are at
Speaker 1: work on the Culture Awards.
Speaker 2: We are busting our ass holes holes. I am a
Speaker 2: crater down there because of Culture Awards in the best.
Speaker 1: Way you know I have been. So I'm just going
Speaker 1: to get into it because because one of the things
Speaker 1: talk about sex, I was gonna say, I've been so horny,
Speaker 1: great have you? No?
Speaker 2: I actually need to talk to my therapist about this
Speaker 2: moment because I get horny through travel and then I
Speaker 2: realize that the wires are all a little bit messed up,
Speaker 2: so full disclosure. When I was in London, I was
Speaker 2: just like, you know what, back in the day, I
Speaker 2: would frequent a bath house every.
Speaker 1: Now and then.
Speaker 2: So I went to the sweat box, which is and
Speaker 2: then immediately once I got to the showers downstairs and
Speaker 2: got recognized by some lovely DC gay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do it, And I was like gotta go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's tough. Joel. I think Joel Kim Booster had a
Speaker 1: joke about being too famous for an orgy, right and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh Joel.
Speaker 2: Oh, Joel could now possibly relate to him his sixcabades,
Speaker 2: and now I do final M.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it's it's a good thing. I
Speaker 1: guess it means careers are going great. You know what's
Speaker 1: funny to me, like like when I physically get tired,
Speaker 1: I actually am a lot hornier. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is. I remember back in the day when I
Speaker 1: would like jam this this schedule with like morning activities.
Speaker 1: I would just get home and I would be physically
Speaker 1: very horny. But that's hard to reconcile with being actually
Speaker 1: like totally sapped by the day. But because your body
Speaker 1: is like ugh, I want to like engage in the act,
Speaker 1: but you're like emotionally like, but I can't like call
Speaker 1: someone over because that's a huge part of hooking up
Speaker 1: is actually getting someone over is the movements. M h.
Speaker 2: It's like the literal movements of bodies. Good luck AI
Speaker 2: with that. I say, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: One thing they can't take. Well, I guess they could.
Speaker 2: I don't know. A fucking a robot to me will
Speaker 2: never have the same just I'm just I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just taking it all the way to like the fullest
Speaker 2: potential of this apparent technology, like a hole.
Speaker 1: As a whole.
Speaker 2: But I also feel like it's just something about it
Speaker 2: being a human connection to me at least that at
Speaker 2: least like I'm still there with sex where I'm like
Speaker 2: it cannot be disconnected from even though I just said
Speaker 2: I went to a bathhouse.
Speaker 1: But even then, I like, it means, well, you hope
Speaker 1: to make a friend. I helped to make a friend.
Speaker 2: Well it's got to be a If there's a robot
Speaker 2: in the bath house, I go, well, good luck, you're
Speaker 2: gonna fritz out in about two seconds with this steam
Speaker 2: in this place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't gonna go well for you, sister, I say,
Speaker 1: I remember when was Phoenix noted with Scarlet Johansson though
Speaker 1: in the film her, the seminal film.
Speaker 2: Her, but her voice was so good in that I'm
Speaker 2: just saying Chold's voice. Well, it's it was Scarlet's sexual tambour.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I just want to say I love
Speaker 2: Scarlet's vocal journey through her career. Like if you go
Speaker 2: back and watch Ghost World end and lost some translation,
Speaker 2: it's like it is at a different octave. And I
Speaker 2: do love that it's sort of developed this like depth
Speaker 2: over the years.
Speaker 1: We have to have her on to ask about her
Speaker 1: vocal journey. Yes, I think, and the title of that
Speaker 1: for the Scarlet Johanson episode whenever it happens is already
Speaker 1: vocal vocal journey. But I just want to say to
Speaker 1: your point about the energy, like I am always I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say horny and theory. Then it's it gets.
Speaker 2: To that point in the conversation where let's say you're
Speaker 2: on a nap on a hookah app when discussion opens
Speaker 2: up about movements about who should go to whom. Yep,
Speaker 2: that's when I'm like, oh, actually, to call back to
Speaker 2: a cold School episode more on Cole in a minute,
Speaker 2: we we go emergency with my closest friends.
Speaker 1: I just realized I'm having an emergency with my closest
Speaker 1: friend friend. But that's a date. That was a date
Speaker 1: that was different. That's a date thing. But I mean
Speaker 1: it could be a sex thing if it's you're sure.
Speaker 1: But there's sometimes when like, yeah, it just all falls apart,
Speaker 1: when even the second the reality is introduced and they're like,
Speaker 1: why is Ai taking over? Oh my, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know so speak about Cole here's the thing about
Speaker 1: cole Cola Skull is a Tony Award winner, a most
Speaker 1: deserving award of all time. I mean, and you know
Speaker 1: what was so great about it was I obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: saw them hit the red carpet looking stunning, and just
Speaker 1: there was something about seeing them on the carpet and
Speaker 1: I just had to sit back and I really got
Speaker 1: emotional because it actually reminded me about the entire reason
Speaker 1: why I love coal in the first place, why they've
Speaker 1: always been one of my heroes since when we started comedy,
Speaker 1: was because they remind you that there aren't actually fucking rules.
Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh. It's like, there is no fucking
Speaker 1: rule as to what you're supposed to wear, what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to create, how you're supposed to do the decorum
Speaker 1: of the award show. It actually reinspired me for the
Speaker 1: Culture Awards. I was like, right, exactly if they ever
Speaker 1: had a big fucking idea, they went for it. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are always checkpoints, like there are for everyone
Speaker 1: about like ooh is this weird? Is this too much?
Speaker 1: Are people going to get this? But screaming the word
Speaker 1: yes to your big idea and what your instinct is
Speaker 1: is what reminded me the other night, like why I
Speaker 1: love coal and why coal is so special and important
Speaker 1: and I'm so fucking proud of them. It couldn't happen
Speaker 1: a better person.
Speaker 2: I think it is amazing to think about Cole school
Speaker 2: of beating George cluding it was.
Speaker 1: A wonderful little little box moment at the award shows.
Speaker 1: We love George. Love George. At the Oscars for Theater.
Speaker 1: The Oscars for Theater, that's the Tony Awards. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's real culture number fifty that the Oscars for Theater.
Speaker 1: That's the Tony Awards.
Speaker 2: But just to place last night's Tony's as another sort
Speaker 2: of coordinate in the plane of award shows, that was
Speaker 2: a fantastic program top to bottom, so fucking good, and
Speaker 2: it flew by to me, I was like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: already eleven, okay.
Speaker 1: I mean someone said earlier like the Tony's are the
Speaker 1: best award show and I was like, oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of it, like I'm glad they're excited. And
Speaker 1: then I was watching it and I was like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: it is the best award show because it's literally built
Speaker 1: around incredible live performance and people that are incredibly capable
Speaker 1: on screen of executing this stuff reliably day in and
Speaker 1: day out. So just to know that just around the
Speaker 1: corner was another sleigh of a performers was, you know.
Speaker 1: And to have Cynthia threading the whole thing so poised, elegant, talented,
Speaker 1: The standard of excellence is already so high for her,
Speaker 1: and she manages to rise above it and raise the
Speaker 1: bar again and again and again. The humor felt like
Speaker 1: totally in the pocket, just really good.
Speaker 2: Ten out of ten I think for Cynthia, I think
Speaker 2: for the whole show. God that in Memoriam was a
Speaker 2: fucking punch to the gut. Yeah and everything Canthya getting
Speaker 2: two applause breaks on her jokes while she was in
Speaker 2: the mezzanine. I think both about Jonathan Graff spit like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is that's delivery, capital D delivery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was excellent. And also the way to open
Speaker 1: a show is always debated, like we're even debating it
Speaker 1: right now, and you have to be so excellent to
Speaker 1: open a show like that with an original song, because
Speaker 1: you have to make sure that not only is the
Speaker 1: person like incredibly good at you know, executing live television,
Speaker 1: but it's a song no one's heard, and to get
Speaker 1: that across. Just the way that she communicates as a singer.
Speaker 1: There's so many things to say about how brilliant she
Speaker 1: is as a vocalist. But what I was struck by
Speaker 1: was she's communicating like a new story and a new
Speaker 1: idea to an audience. And at the end, we were
Speaker 1: watching in our friend's house, we were like applauding. We
Speaker 1: were like, yes, yes, this song that we will remember.
Speaker 2: It was truly truly fantastic. I'm just gonna say something,
Speaker 2: even the purely stuff, I was like, I love it,
Speaker 2: go off purely. If any company is gonna like own
Speaker 2: a lot of real estate at the Tony's, the fact
Speaker 2: that it's an iced tea company, I go, why not?
Speaker 2: There really could be worse things, Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and there are. There's so many worse, so long
Speaker 1: than than than purelyfic tea having a lot of real
Speaker 1: estate on the Tony Awards, for example, famine get so
Speaker 1: much worse, so much worse, so much even with in
Speaker 1: in the same conversation, you're joking, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You must be kidding.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess it's the only real note that we have.
Speaker 2: But this is just in terms of, like, this is
Speaker 2: something that they couldn't have possibly forecast in terms of
Speaker 2: vibes and playing everybody off, I think could have just
Speaker 2: been traditional. I appreciate what they were trying to do,
Speaker 2: build it into like Cynthia's monologue, but I think just
Speaker 2: a standard little orchestral even a track could have been
Speaker 2: just fine. But I think it was just a mismanagement
Speaker 2: of like what that would be like, and like the
Speaker 2: vibe of the room, which you can never know until
Speaker 2: the day of, especially at a.
Speaker 1: Time like now where there is a lot of urgency
Speaker 1: in terms of what people might say in these speeches
Speaker 1: and people might want to like leave and end on
Speaker 1: something really poignant. To build into the show that you're
Speaker 1: actually going to cut people off, even with a joke
Speaker 1: is kind of not really the move, and I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it work in recent Awards shows, so I'm surprised
Speaker 1: they tried it here. Finally, we have an end to
Speaker 1: the debate of who's winning Best Actress in a Musical.
Speaker 1: It was Nicole. I applaud this. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: both of their performances. I thought Nicole and Auder's performances
Speaker 1: were the highlights of the evening, and I think you
Speaker 1: saw plain as day why they were the ones that
Speaker 1: were being talked about the whole time. I would have
Speaker 1: loved to have seen Boop a performance from Boop because
Speaker 1: Booth is a lot of fun and Jasmine Amy Rodgers,
Speaker 1: had she won, it would have been totally justified. The
Speaker 1: girl is so fucking talented and so good in this show.
Speaker 1: But Nicholes, as if we never said goodbye, was truly
Speaker 1: the performance of her career. I mean, and she's performed
Speaker 1: live on television so many times in so many memorable ways,
Speaker 1: in a variety of ways, but that you could tell
Speaker 1: her entire career had led up to that moment. And
Speaker 1: I'm so happy she did that song because she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do the song from this show. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give it. And similarly to Audra, I had
Speaker 1: been really wondering which number from Gypsy they were going
Speaker 1: to do. I was nervous that they were going to
Speaker 1: do something like some people and missed the opportunity to
Speaker 1: really show what McDonald is made of. And when they
Speaker 1: pulled it up the curtain and it was Rose's turn,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, here we go. And I
Speaker 1: mean she did not disappoint She gave all of herself
Speaker 1: plus half. I mean it was sick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean so many things about we're recording this on Monday,
Speaker 2: so many things about last night felt historic. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it was just like, oh my god, it was just
Speaker 2: like different threads of history being braided together, where it
Speaker 2: was like you have someone like Audre, you have someone
Speaker 2: like Nicole who feels like a vet but kind of
Speaker 2: is still just kind of making her mark on theater.
Speaker 2: I feel like even like Michael Arden winning, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is your rewarding someone who has put years and
Speaker 2: years and years into like executing his vision on Broadway
Speaker 2: so many times. I don't know, just was a cool night.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: He's so brilliant, Michael Arden. Like I saw maybe happy
Speaker 1: ending and congrats to Darren Chris on his super well
Speaker 1: deserved a war as well, Like the fact that he
Speaker 1: did Parade and maybe Happy Ending like two years in
Speaker 1: a row is like, Okay, that guy can do anything.
Speaker 1: And that's while saying I would have been just as
Speaker 1: excited for Jamie Lloyd to win for Sunset Bulevar at
Speaker 1: a show that like blew me away and so happy
Speaker 1: that one for best Revival. Yeah, just like so much
Speaker 1: excellence going on. And I read a statistic that you
Speaker 1: can never really take highest grossing to mean anything, and
Speaker 1: nowadays because all the prices are so much higher, like
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like to say that something was
Speaker 1: the highest grossing year on record doesn't really mean anything
Speaker 1: anymore because everything is so you know, prohibitively expensive. But
Speaker 1: I also read that it was the best attended Broadway
Speaker 1: season in a lot of times, so it means that
Speaker 1: there were the most butts in seats, and it does
Speaker 1: feel like there's a renewed energy around it. And it's
Speaker 1: been a really good, solid few years for Broadway, which
Speaker 1: is obviously a good thing. And it means that we're
Speaker 1: coming to ruin it and we're coming to Broadway in it.
Speaker 1: The second you think it's gonna be good, we're coming.
Speaker 1: We're coming, We're hitting the stage. You know what we
Speaker 1: were talking about last night? Did you remember this? After
Speaker 1: Nicole's performance, I was like, people, forget the number of
Speaker 1: times she has been iconic.
Speaker 2: You need to educate everybody on this because this is
Speaker 2: something I was never familiar with, but I need to
Speaker 2: know now.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember that Nicole Scherzinger. So for years
Speaker 1: she's had to be a chameleon because she started out
Speaker 1: as a reality show contestant on Pop Star. She got
Speaker 1: in the group Eden's Crush. Cr Oh like Yourself good?
Speaker 1: That song they had like that one hit. There was
Speaker 1: like a period of downtime she was in the Pussycat
Speaker 1: Dolls and I remembered her from Eden's Crush. Even then,
Speaker 1: she's obviously a huge success as the member of the
Speaker 1: pussy Cat Dolls. Then that ends, she tries her solo career.
Speaker 1: It goes ify in everywhere but the UK, where she
Speaker 1: becomes like a thing. So she's a Judd on UK
Speaker 1: x Factor in such a significant way. And Simon likes
Speaker 1: her so much that they tried to do US X
Speaker 1: Factor and she's a judge on that with Paul Abdul,
Speaker 1: l A Reid and Simon Cowell and there's a moment
Speaker 1: this is pre Brittany, right, this is pre Brittany. Yes,
Speaker 1: this was the first season of US X Factor and
Speaker 1: it was Nicole. Okay, it was Nicole Scherzinger was a
Speaker 1: judge and she there was a thing at the end
Speaker 1: of US X Factor where the bottom two vote getters.
Speaker 1: It wasn't revealed who got the lowest voids votes, but
Speaker 1: they would have to have like a sing off, and
Speaker 1: then the judges would decide based on the sing off
Speaker 1: who was going through to the round. And I remember
Speaker 1: it's this. It was at the time. She was ten.
Speaker 1: Her name was Rachel Crowe. Her name is Rachel Crowe,
Speaker 1: and she sang I'd rather Go blind by Eda James,
Speaker 1: a ten year old and she gave it. She sang
Speaker 1: it like a fifty year old woman, and she gave
Speaker 1: her entire life. And then the other guy sings whatever
Speaker 1: his name I believe was Marcus, and then they go
Speaker 1: to nikolsher and she's supposed to make this decision between
Speaker 1: the two of them, this ten year old girl who
Speaker 1: had just given everything to this song, and Nicole can't
Speaker 1: do it. She's like, I can't. I have to put
Speaker 1: it to the public vote. And they put it to
Speaker 1: the public vote, and the ten year old girl loses.
Speaker 1: She her eyes widened and shot. She hits the ground
Speaker 1: and she's screaming at her mother, you promised me. And
Speaker 1: it cuts back to the judge's table and Nicole Cherzinger
Speaker 1: is in hysteric sobbing in Paula Abdul's arms while Simon
Speaker 1: Cowell looks on and he realizes that the US X
Speaker 1: Factor has failed. They cut to the commercial and it's
Speaker 1: a Pepsi logo and that the show ends, and the
Speaker 1: word Pepsi couldn't have been bigger. I said, this was
Speaker 1: the most that was her last iconic moment. Then I
Speaker 1: guess she, you know, did Mass Singer, and then she
Speaker 1: did lots of things on the on the UK West End,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But I'll never forget that moment in her
Speaker 1: career because in last sitting there, I'm just thinking about
Speaker 1: the totality of Nicole Scherzinger and it is so many things,
Speaker 1: but that is a top five Nicole Scherzinger moment for me,
Speaker 1: a person who has a top five Nicole Scherzinger moments list.
Speaker 2: Yes, now, Simon Cowell, they cut to him. He realized
Speaker 2: he has a gaze that implies that he understands that
Speaker 2: it's all.
Speaker 1: But then they would come back the next season with
Speaker 1: Brittany mm hmm, and fifth Harmony was created. I think
Speaker 1: was that the last season of X Factor. I think
Speaker 1: it only had two seasons, maybe it had three I'm
Speaker 1: actually unclear because Demi Levado was on that too, Yes, yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is what it was because it's the second season.
Speaker 1: Aves Factor had Demi Levado and Britney Spears both and
Speaker 1: La Radio. Yes, and that's when Fifth Harmony was created
Speaker 1: because there was a moment where Demi Levado says, only
Speaker 1: one of you was giving, and Chloe Kardashian, who was
Speaker 1: added as a host, this is a fucking mad lib
Speaker 1: goes to Demi Levado, Wait, who did you think was
Speaker 1: the one that was giving? And Demi Levado just sits
Speaker 1: there and points to Kamila Cabello and says her wow
Speaker 1: you wow wow, And the rest of the girls in
Speaker 1: famth Harmony sort of look at Kamila, who's.
Speaker 2: Like, we haven't really responded to I have not really
Speaker 2: looked into the details. But thoughts on the reunion besides
Speaker 2: sans Kmilla, I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Get why they're doing it, uh huh uh huh. The
Speaker 1: normany of it all continues to completely blow my mind.
Speaker 1: I do not know how that didn't work out as
Speaker 1: a solo thing.
Speaker 2: I know, it's it's interesting, huh. It's like, in a way,
Speaker 2: what was her name Susan Crow, Rachel Crow, Rachel Crow.
Speaker 2: First of all so many things. I think of Gypsy
Speaker 2: when she screams at her mother you promised. Oh, I
Speaker 2: also think of this, this idea that like this is why,
Speaker 2: like Cole winning a Tony is so incredible. It's like
Speaker 2: nothing is nothing is promised, especially in show business. But
Speaker 2: just in terms of the normal, I'm connecting all these
Speaker 2: dots very haphazardly. But in terms of Normani and the
Speaker 2: phith Armony reunion, it's like, like, why that did not
Speaker 2: take off the way that we all hoped it would
Speaker 2: and wanted it to in some ways? Is that Harber
Speaker 2: can only get you so far, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But the thing is like, I think she did work
Speaker 1: her fucking ass off. I just think she didn't like
Speaker 1: her thing that succeeded right right, because what I had
Speaker 1: heard was motivation popped off and everyone was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Normani is here, like it is about Normani now.
Speaker 1: And she thought it was too pop, or she didn't
Speaker 1: think it was R and B enough, It wasn't the
Speaker 1: type of artist that she wanted to be. She didn't
Speaker 1: even like the video, you know what I mean? All
Speaker 1: the really, you know. Successful elements of that were her
Speaker 1: being like, well, I don't want to be well known
Speaker 1: for these things, Like I don't like what this is,
Speaker 1: so I guess you kind of have to respect, Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone who's like, look, I understand that this is gonna
Speaker 1: be the thing, but I yeah, Like I was just
Speaker 1: this is the most random pull ever and it's one
Speaker 1: of the gayest transitions of all time. I was watching
Speaker 1: an interview with Brenda song Oh Love, and she was
Speaker 1: saying years ago, like, apparently she booked like the lead
Speaker 1: of this huge film franchise, but at the same time
Speaker 1: got offered the like two scene role she had in
Speaker 1: Social Network, and she was like, I want to work
Speaker 1: with David Fincher even though this is a small part.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking the lead of this franchise. That I
Speaker 1: guess her agents had busted their ass to get her,
Speaker 1: and then as a result of her making that decision,
Speaker 1: they dropped her. But now she's a part of the
Speaker 1: Social Network, which is one of the most relevant films
Speaker 1: in pop culture at that time, and you know, probably
Speaker 1: in the last couple decades, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So who's to say she didn't make the best decision holistically. Also,
Speaker 1: she made the decision that she was going to stand
Speaker 1: by so with the normany of it all, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she had a huge hit and something that
Speaker 1: looked to everyone else like it made sense. But if
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense to her, then maybe that's the question.
Speaker 1: That's the answer to the question of like what happened there.
Speaker 1: It's just she didn't want to be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are these are these are vital questions for
Speaker 2: anyone to ask themselves, including us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like do we I mean yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it can actually maybe I'll speak to something. So it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because did you see last week. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I should be going here, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go here. Go Like last week Andy had on
Speaker 1: Hoda watch and and he was he threw your name
Speaker 1: out there. He threw my name out there to take
Speaker 1: over for Jenna, I mean, not for Jenna, to take
Speaker 1: over with Jenna, and Hoda was like, yeah, Matt Rogers
Speaker 1: is great, And all of a sudden, I was I
Speaker 1: was sitting there watching it and I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're talking about me to this job.
Speaker 1: And I thought that it was like it was really
Speaker 1: interesting because I was like, oh, I thought everyone was
Speaker 1: just being nice by saying, oh, you should do this permanently.
Speaker 1: You should do because because they say that on like
Speaker 1: if you go to like the Today Show Instagram, it's
Speaker 1: like every time there's a guest job, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a guest it's like they should be permanent, they should
Speaker 1: be permanent. So much I thought that was just like
Speaker 1: a silly thing that people were saying to be nice
Speaker 1: to me, and I did think it went well. But
Speaker 1: then when they were talking about it up there, I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's so interesting to have people talk
Speaker 1: about something that you should be doing or you're right for,
Speaker 1: or like you know that no one's even asked me
Speaker 1: if I would want to do it totally.
Speaker 2: On the one hand, it's like a compliment. On the
Speaker 2: other hand, it is this like total compliment. But on
Speaker 2: the other hand, it's this kind of like quote unquote
Speaker 2: fan casting that like could make you feel a certain way,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And it's like it's it's
Speaker 2: like not up to it's not in your control or
Speaker 2: it's not even up to you, like what the outcome
Speaker 2: is or like what the conversation, what the tone of
Speaker 2: the conversation is does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, it's I think you probably experienced well, I
Speaker 1: know you experience it. We do not have to get
Speaker 1: into it, and we won't. But I feel like SNL
Speaker 1: is also one of the only jobs in entertainment where
Speaker 1: a lot of people can weigh in about, like who's staying,
Speaker 1: who's going, who's getting hired, who's getting fired, why are
Speaker 1: they leaving? And it's really interesting. I think for that
Speaker 1: to be an element of like what you do as
Speaker 1: a job. You know what I'm saying, it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: It's I'm not saying it's good or bad. And I've
Speaker 1: participated in speculation like that obviously, Like we have this podcast,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Then suddenly when it's something
Speaker 1: that's knocking on your door, you're like, oh, wow, Like
Speaker 1: it's just interesting, it's a new feeling. Yes, how do
Speaker 1: you feel in that feeling? Wow? Did you see that
Speaker 1: text we just got? Yeah, we gotta be a fun text.
Speaker 1: Someone just confirmed for the Cultural Awards and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Someone we don't really know
Speaker 1: that well, I know, but I'm excited. There's lots of
Speaker 1: exciting things happening.
Speaker 2: We are really, really, really committed to making this a
Speaker 2: fun show, and the artist pre sale went out very quickly.
Speaker 1: We're so grateful.
Speaker 2: We're sorry if it was frustrating for anybody in terms
Speaker 2: of procuring them. But the sort of end goal of
Speaker 2: all this is that this can be shared with everyone.
Speaker 2: We've said this in the past, but I think it
Speaker 2: bears repeating that it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be pleased. It's gonna be the most fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you for selling that the fuck out yet again,
Speaker 1: Like you guys do you guys are the best. It'll
Speaker 1: be the best one yet for sure. You know what.
Speaker 1: I finally got to watch all of which we were in,
Speaker 1: but I didn't get to actually consume as a whole
Speaker 1: was overcom overcomments. Have you watched I am up to
Speaker 1: our episode? Yeah, it's funny because the one thing I
Speaker 1: had been hearing was what year is it? What year
Speaker 1: is it? Can I say one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: about the show is that we don't know what year
Speaker 1: it is. I think it's like one of the most
Speaker 1: fun things about it is like her singing my chemical romance.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's I like that, it's in that way it's
Speaker 2: this meta comment on like this could be any year,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: What, because it can. And I feel like, and I'll
Speaker 1: just openly and honestly about this, because there were some
Speaker 1: people I was talking to that were like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: it's about him coming out of the closet, Like how
Speaker 1: is that gonna play in twenty twenty five? People forget that?
Speaker 1: And it's resonating so much with so many people because yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you the Royal, you feel like you're beyond that
Speaker 1: conversation about like being accepted and you know it being
Speaker 1: a normal thing to be gay, but not everyone is. No,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like our culture like really warp speed
Speaker 1: like traveled through you know what it means too, like
Speaker 1: the love simon y type of gay thing. Right, It's
Speaker 1: like and I remember the discourse at the time was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is an incredibly like like white gay experience. He
Speaker 1: had like incredibly accepting parents, et cetera. Like it didn't
Speaker 1: seem like it was that hard for him and et cetera.
Speaker 1: But I remember at the time being like, right, but
Speaker 1: you do need something like this in order to broach
Speaker 1: the subject on like a commercial way. And all these
Speaker 1: years have gone by and you see like this I
Speaker 1: worry about, Like, you know, this kid, he's in a
Speaker 1: very attractive guy, he's just obviously smart. He goes to Georgetown,
Speaker 1: he still has an incredibly difficult time coming out, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know when it takes place. But I think
Speaker 1: that that's all outside of the fact, which is that
Speaker 1: people want to see stories, whether they're gay and it's
Speaker 1: coming out or whatever about I'm not sure if I'm
Speaker 1: my true self, if people are gonna accept me, and
Speaker 1: that does it. It's less about like it being a
Speaker 1: queer thing or whatever, because it's the question central question
Speaker 1: of the show is are people gonna love me if
Speaker 1: I really show them who I am? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And that is universal and the reason why, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: we've done a lot of press about our products where
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, we're just so refreshed that we're involved
Speaker 2: in something that is not like a coming out story,
Speaker 2: Like there are other queer stories to be told, but
Speaker 2: there's the appeal of a coming out story is always
Speaker 2: that it is legibly about an completely internal sort of
Speaker 2: like journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is what makes over Compensating a compelling show.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, like you don't have to see this
Speaker 2: guy be out of the closet just yet there are
Speaker 2: in fact, like the the Owen, Theey like character, Thel
Speaker 2: character is like the perfect sort of like foiled to
Speaker 2: that where it's like where it does make it somewhat
Speaker 2: relevant to now, where it's like in a world that
Speaker 2: seems like it is people have already figured themselves out
Speaker 2: ahead of you, Like, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 1: I feel this.
Speaker 2: Way still as a queer person. I'm like, yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm so stunted in all these different ways. I feel
Speaker 2: completely insecure about all these things, Like that is when
Speaker 2: I've been out of the closet for half my life.
Speaker 2: Now it's like this is an incredibly universal thing. And
Speaker 2: that is probably what they discussed when they were trying
Speaker 2: to figure out the story of the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have made it to the end, and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say spoiler alert, like because maybe not
Speaker 1: everyone's at the end. But in the final episode of
Speaker 1: the show, like Benito goes over to Owen, who like Benito,
Speaker 1: I'll say something about both their performances in a second
Speaker 1: after I get through this, which I'm so blown away
Speaker 1: by everybody in the show. But Benito goes up to Owen,
Speaker 1: after he's you know, kind of denied that they're friends
Speaker 1: in front of some straight guys. Some straight guys see
Speaker 1: Benito talking to Owen and they go, oh, are you
Speaker 1: guys friends? And Benito says, no, we're not friends, like
Speaker 1: right in front of him and disregards him, and Owen
Speaker 1: just really comfortably and just casually just like denies Benito
Speaker 1: when he tries to, like, you know, pick up like
Speaker 1: they've you know, nothing has happened, et cetera. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of just this moment where this out gay
Speaker 1: kid who really knows himself is able to just like
Speaker 1: sort of be the person who makes Benito like say,
Speaker 1: I need to change what's going on. I just want
Speaker 1: I guess it's a word salad here, But what I'm
Speaker 1: remembering is when I went to college and I was
Speaker 1: that kid. The thing that hurt me the most was
Speaker 1: when the out gay kids were looking at me like
Speaker 1: we see you and it's pathetic. Oh you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And that hurt more than any straight guy
Speaker 1: testing me or you know, pushing my buttons because they
Speaker 1: felt like they knew something about me, or any of
Speaker 1: my girlfriends being a little too knowing, you know, Like
Speaker 1: what really got to me was when an out gay
Speaker 1: person who felt realized looked at me and was like no,
Speaker 1: and then the rejection coming from them, Yeah, was like
Speaker 1: the most painful thing. And I do think that is
Speaker 1: the point obviously in the series, where it's not long
Speaker 1: after that that things change.
Speaker 2: Well, that rejection from an out queer person, let's say,
Speaker 2: just pushes you a little bit further into the closet
Speaker 2: in my opinion, whereas like you talking to a girlfriend
Speaker 2: who might know something, or you kind of like on
Speaker 2: a know, douking it out mentally with like a straight
Speaker 2: guy who's trying to like uncover something that's you, like
Speaker 2: holding the line that's you, like holding the line of
Speaker 2: like who you are, Like I get to control how
Speaker 2: much I reveal. But then someone judging you or someone
Speaker 2: thinking that you are being pathetic in the way that
Speaker 2: you're trying to like negotiate this is I think only
Speaker 2: kind of alienates you. Yeah, and Ali, it's Binito's character.
Speaker 2: Probably I have not gotten to that episode yet.
Speaker 1: It's just like there. I remember, like I was watching
Speaker 1: it in the beginning and I was like, oh, is
Speaker 1: he going to stay closeted? Like the whole season, and
Speaker 1: I knew we were in episode six where he was
Speaker 1: still dealing with that, and he was kind of seeing
Speaker 1: our characters in like secret because it was like his
Speaker 1: first grinder hookup. But I mean my truth was and
Speaker 1: I think your truth was, and I can speak for
Speaker 1: both of us here as we remained in the closet
Speaker 1: the entirety of our freshman year. Mm hmm. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was obviously a little bit more complicated for you because
Speaker 1: you had come out trior and it was whatever. But
Speaker 1: I remember the thing that I can and if this
Speaker 1: is like a truthful depiction of what someone like this
Speaker 1: as freshman year is like, is yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: might not have been and what everyone would have wanted,
Speaker 1: but I stayed in that fucking closet and talked in
Speaker 1: a voice like the one he's using in that show
Speaker 1: for the entirety of freshman Year, to the point where
Speaker 1: it was physically painful, and the fact that he could
Speaker 1: hold that much discomfort in his body and in his
Speaker 1: voice and in his performance, like, I don't know, my
Speaker 1: hat is off to him because it's not a fun
Speaker 1: place to live, and it's not where he naturally lives.
Speaker 1: Now knowing him.
Speaker 2: Totally I mean, but he I saw him over the weekend,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, God, there have been so
Speaker 2: many moments where I've like gone back fifteen seconds or
Speaker 2: just paused on frames, like he's a really gifted actor,
Speaker 2: just an incredible actor, and so so amazing what he's done,
Speaker 2: just as this creator and the star. We're just so happy.
Speaker 2: We're just so happy for him. It's just really nice
Speaker 2: to see like the community sort of rallying around this too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know what I was thinking, because because
Speaker 1: I also was pulling that, I was like, Wow, it
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of the queer community, a lot
Speaker 1: of gay guys are like out here saying like I
Speaker 1: watched this show, I loved this show. I felt good
Speaker 1: watching the show. I felt seen watching the show in
Speaker 1: a way that made me feel really happy and actually
Speaker 1: reminded me of the reception that we got from Fire Island.
Speaker 1: Like I felt like gay guys were not being shy
Speaker 1: about saying that they loved it and that they watched
Speaker 1: it and that they were supporting it. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes it can feel, you know, from project
Speaker 1: to project that the narrative changes a little bit and
Speaker 1: sometimes can air on this side of oh, gay guys
Speaker 1: don't support each other, or like, you know, gay guys
Speaker 1: are the cruelest to each other in media, and I
Speaker 1: do think in some regard that is true. Like certainly,
Speaker 1: if I ever, you know, want to self immolate and
Speaker 1: I want to feel bad about myself, I'll go on.
Speaker 1: And I know for a fact that the nasty things
Speaker 1: that are being said about like us or me or
Speaker 1: our projects are from gay guys. But I really do
Speaker 1: just want to shout out the fact that like, lots
Speaker 1: of gay guys support queer projects, like lots of hard
Speaker 1: people are out here doing that, and I don't want
Speaker 1: it to get lost in the discussion of like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, gay guys can't support other gay guys uns
Speaker 1: they're drag queens or porn stars. Like I don't want
Speaker 1: it to get lost that that's not really true. And
Speaker 1: I really, like I feel like if I were Benito,
Speaker 1: or if I'm myself, or if I'm anyone out here
Speaker 1: with a queer project, like I wouldn't want to toss
Speaker 1: like queer people like gay men under the bus that
Speaker 1: are supporting that when I do know for a fact
Speaker 1: that that happens.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know I was going to generalize
Speaker 2: and say, like a lot of that animis comes from
Speaker 2: this insecurity or something or something internalized whatever, But I
Speaker 2: also don't want to like, sometimes the gay guys are
Speaker 2: cruel and critical for good reason, for good reasons of
Speaker 2: maybe obviously those are those are some cases, But you're right,
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I mean, I felt it from
Speaker 2: a lot of cis gay guys shout out like I
Speaker 2: don't know, I just couldn't live without.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went to the Betty Who concert and it
Speaker 1: was all all the gay men and we both played
Speaker 1: Webster Hall, and I was just thinking about when the
Speaker 1: last time I was at Webster Hall, which was my show,
Speaker 1: my Christmas show, and it was all it was all katies,
Speaker 1: it was all women, and I was like, it's so
Speaker 1: funny because like I'm here at this Betty Who show
Speaker 1: and it's wall to wall gay guys and tank tops,
Speaker 1: being like it's pride and we're at the Betty Who
Speaker 1: show and we know the choreo and we're obsessed and
Speaker 1: by the way, shout out to Betty Who gets better
Speaker 1: and fucking better, Betty Who, You're incredible. And I was
Speaker 1: a gay guy at your show and I was happy
Speaker 1: to be, but then I was just thinking. I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder what it would feel like for this many
Speaker 1: gay guys and gay guys to show up for me.
Speaker 1: And then I thought to myself, you know what, though
Speaker 1: they did. They did. Maybe they weren't at the front,
Speaker 1: but there were tons of gay guys at my show.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to keep telling myself story that
Speaker 1: like gay guys don't support other gay guys, because it's
Speaker 1: not true.
Speaker 2: No, they're definitely where. I opened grinder that night and
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, the is all within two hundred feet.
Speaker 1: You open grinder at my show? I got to delete it.
Speaker 1: I'm on it too much.
Speaker 2: And it's like people, yeah, and seventy five percent of
Speaker 2: my messages this is just a this is not a complaint.
Speaker 2: It's just like my landscape. It's just seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of people being like.
Speaker 1: Is this real? Oh my god, you're brave.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm a horny in theory at all
Speaker 2: times gay guy.
Speaker 1: That is. I think something that I could I could
Speaker 1: ask people to strike from their personal thing is like,
Speaker 1: is this really you? About the people?
Speaker 2: What I say is I'd be the most random. Actually,
Speaker 2: I'd be the most random gay person of note of
Speaker 2: recognition to Catfish Eyes.
Speaker 1: That I kind of feel like that too. It's like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just pick Matt Boehmer.
Speaker 2: At summer Summer? Is we've really flipped you and I
Speaker 2: you're not feeling good. I am not feeling good about
Speaker 2: this summer and that's okay, and it will all blow over.
Speaker 2: I am like in the gallows. It's something's going on,
Speaker 2: and I got to talk to my therapist about it.
Speaker 2: I think I am depressed because all I want to
Speaker 2: do is when is just play video games when I
Speaker 2: get up. Thanks to my switch too from NINTENTO, thank
Speaker 2: you for betting my depression.
Speaker 1: Nintendo. That's just like a way that you like to
Speaker 1: spend your time. So you you waking up and like
Speaker 1: wanting to do that is just like I think what
Speaker 1: you're craving is the time to do that. But like
Speaker 1: you know, it's obviously been it's been cuckoo crazy schedule time.
Speaker 2: But you know, I I was just kind of going
Speaker 2: through it bullet point by bullet point with you last night,
Speaker 2: and I had not actually said the words out loud
Speaker 2: or just like gone through it beat by beat until then,
Speaker 2: and it was like, woa, the last seven months have been, yeah,
Speaker 2: as eroding as they have been, maybe f like I
Speaker 2: might be in an even This is not to scare anybody,
Speaker 2: but like I think I am, I'm just managing it
Speaker 2: better for sure. This is like I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 2: this is just I'm reminded of that place that I
Speaker 2: was at when I needed to take a break from
Speaker 2: the podcast. And I'm not saying that's what's going to happen,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, oh, yeah, ye, I really need to
Speaker 2: just keep crawling and it will be okay because that
Speaker 2: got better and this will get better. And I'm just
Speaker 2: being real with my sister and my wonderful, wonderful, wonderful
Speaker 2: community of readers, Katie's publicis and finalists and Kyle's that Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm, I'm I'm crisped up. But it's okay. The
Speaker 2: meat will will tender rize.
Speaker 1: Soon, I know. And I want you to know that
Speaker 1: I know you know this, You've noticed, you've clocked it. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not even about me noticing, It's just about you
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm here for you and anything. And then
Speaker 1: if all I ask is that you just don't add
Speaker 1: anything just don't add anything, and that is in your control.
Speaker 2: That you everyone's Becka to Beca had a fun weekend,
Speaker 2: do you think, Becka, do you think we would be
Speaker 2: allowed to go to the Puerto Rican Pride festivities next year? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, please? It looks so fun.
Speaker 3: Is a of a huge crew of people.
Speaker 1: I would love to go, and then we'll show up
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, what's their name?
Speaker 3: It was a myriad of people across the diaspora, not
Speaker 3: to as let me say that friends that were just
Speaker 3: like this is so dope and I want to be involved.
Speaker 3: I will say the Manhattan Parade is giving corporate stakeholders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like all, because that is the true party.
Speaker 3: Like if you want to go on the island, you
Speaker 3: go to Bushwick.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: We came about to Marie Hernana's park. You see all
Speaker 3: the stars souped up. Everyone's playing bad Bunny at different locations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, oh no Bunny going on at once. I
Speaker 1: don't just mean what I fantasize about erectly.
Speaker 3: I mean there were rumors who's going to show up?
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 3: It's fine, but.
Speaker 1: He now occupies There's like an iconic, you know on Houston. Uh,
Speaker 1: massive board, like whoever's the one at the time? And
Speaker 1: right now there there is a huge bad bunny.
Speaker 3: Has one a picture for pinching it.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Anna you filthy dog. Now that's too much.
Speaker 1: We don't like that filthy humor. Not on Lost Colt,
Speaker 1: not on Coach, not on Lost Coach. Do you think
Speaker 1: that the summer will be improved? We love you, Becca,
Speaker 1: give it for back, everybody, godsend. Do you think the
Speaker 1: summer will be improved by having a legitimate contender for
Speaker 1: Song of the Summer with man Child by Brienna Carpenter,
Speaker 1: Because not a single one of these other songs were
Speaker 1: legitimate contenders until now. No, You're right.
Speaker 2: I am so thrilled that Sabrina is already kind of
Speaker 2: locking in as an artist for as long as it
Speaker 2: makes her happy and fulfilled. Is one of those artists
Speaker 2: who is just not going to really ever take any
Speaker 2: big break until she's ready to do that. I love
Speaker 2: that she's one of those girls who's like, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna keep releasing tracks year round.
Speaker 1: She's ready for it. I feel like the thing that
Speaker 1: sets Sabrina apart from everyone is she actually had years
Speaker 1: to like train for this show. Oh yeah, like Mama
Speaker 1: is many albums deep, she now knows exactly who she
Speaker 1: is because she had the time to develop. Like she
Speaker 1: wasn't bailed on by the industry. She wasn't like embraced
Speaker 1: by the industry, but no one. It seems like it
Speaker 1: was like the slowest climb until it just snapped in
Speaker 1: and now she is like the bazooka with these hit songs.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the one thing couple of my friends
Speaker 1: were saying was it feels like not a lot of
Speaker 1: a departure. But my thing is like, if you're locked
Speaker 1: and loaded with a bop, just release the bop, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I would say, it's like, to me, it's giving fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: But with that eighties synth opening, Yeah, very good luck, babe.
Speaker 2: Like I love that blend of like she's she's going
Speaker 2: out on I think banjo lex.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: It fades out on banjo lex, but then it starts
Speaker 2: with like these like that that that eighties kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh love, yeah, that you synthesized something
Speaker 2: kind of newish for us.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love her as like a low
Speaker 1: key country artist, like I love her like super like
Speaker 1: nine to five aesthetic that she's giving. It felt like
Speaker 1: nine to five on the road. It's felt like nine
Speaker 1: to five meets like Thelma and the Wheeze, like woman
Speaker 1: of the eighties early nineties thing. I love the video.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite music videos I've seen in
Speaker 1: a very long time. Just like the amount of setups.
Speaker 1: I was watching it wondering. I was like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if this was storyboarded or they just like set up
Speaker 1: a million locations and then got everything. Either way, it
Speaker 1: is so much fun to watch. It's one that you
Speaker 1: could watch again and again and again and again and
Speaker 1: again and again. She's just fucking got it. Yeah, Star,
Speaker 1: Full Star, We're obsessed and Jack anton Off, Amy Allen
Speaker 1: and Sabrina Carpenter. That's a trio that should just keep rocking,
Speaker 1: keep sticking together. Amy. Yeah, she's everything. Gray Grammy winner, right,
Speaker 1: she won the Grammy. Yeah, songwriter up the Yeah, Yep.
Speaker 1: She might be an interesting person to have on the
Speaker 1: podcast because like, that's Amy. That's truly like nuts and bolts.
Speaker 1: How this how the oh sausage gets made? I almost
Speaker 1: said how the salad gets tossed? Yeah? Can I say
Speaker 1: it's definitely how the sausage gets made. It's not how
Speaker 1: the salad gets tost If she's got insights on how
Speaker 1: the salad gets tossed, I would love to hear that
Speaker 1: as well. I don't need any tips, just kidding, ill, God,
Speaker 1: I hate myself myself. I did get a d M
Speaker 1: from a guy. No, maybe it was grinder message, and
Speaker 1: this is how you know it was getting too crazy
Speaker 1: on that was like, I bet you're incredible at eating
Speaker 1: ass and I was like, I gotta put the phone away.
Speaker 1: I got to put the phone away. No.
Speaker 2: One guy recently was like whatever sent me in nudo
Speaker 2: was like great, and then he goes, yeah, you like
Speaker 2: that bagot and I was like, okay, well now I
Speaker 2: do have to I wish I was the kind of
Speaker 2: person who were who was turned on by like full
Speaker 2: I fully full sub. I don't think I'm full sub.
Speaker 2: I don't like being called slurs.
Speaker 1: No, I don't like being called slurs or being told
Speaker 1: what kind of physical pain I'm in. Someone said to
Speaker 1: me recently, I can't wait to choke you and watch
Speaker 1: your beautiful eyes fill with tears. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: thank you for elements of that sense, you know, what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it's great that you want to fuck
Speaker 1: me a lot. I'm so happy that you think my
Speaker 1: eyes are beautiful. I liked when you call the beautiy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for saying I'm beautiful. But then when I thought
Speaker 1: about choking so much, well, first of all, I'm on
Speaker 1: the record that I don't think so you choking, it's
Speaker 1: just for me, it's and then so I was like,
Speaker 1: but don't you love poppers. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: like to pop up. And then they were like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of the same. No, I would
Speaker 1: kind of same like ideas like cutting off circulation, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: I don't know that this is like a this is danger,
Speaker 2: Like I'm putting my hand around my throat, this is
Speaker 2: like this is a little whatever. Like our brains are
Speaker 2: evolved a certain way to to to register that as
Speaker 2: like a fear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's giving. Oh no, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's I just I always need to be able
Speaker 1: to breathe. That's a big rule for me. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: you should be able to breathe, need to breathe, need
Speaker 1: to be able to breathe at least have the opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to agree.
Speaker 1: Write that down right later. Oh, write that sound for later.
Speaker 1: Lust Cult.
Speaker 2: Finally, fucks what we could have done on an overcompensating.
Speaker 1: Y'all, here's the team? Should we say that? We got
Speaker 1: the original script and we were like, can we pair
Speaker 1: this back in a little bit?
Speaker 2: And the original script had us making out and we
Speaker 2: were like, maybe that's a bridge too far, both like
Speaker 2: I don't know, just like for us as friends and
Speaker 2: for just I think the scene itself it would have
Speaker 2: been a gag.
Speaker 1: It made me nervous. I was like, I feel like,
Speaker 1: if we ever kissed in film and media, it has
Speaker 1: to be on our terms. It can't begin someone else's project,
Speaker 1: can I say?
Speaker 2: In hindsight, and not just because the show is a
Speaker 2: huge success, that would have been That would have been
Speaker 2: a fine place to be, like, let's just go for it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I wish I had done. I wish
Speaker 1: I had had libbed one thing, which is the last
Speaker 1: thing while I'm while I'm spoiler alert, jacking off on
Speaker 1: the jump other road. Yeah, yeah, I wish I had
Speaker 1: said I am so in love with you. I love that.
Speaker 1: I would have said something along the line's like you're
Speaker 1: my husband. That was so crazy girl. Wait you know
Speaker 1: what Benny said to me.
Speaker 2: He was like and I was like, shut the fuck up,
Speaker 2: because he was being sweet, but it was like a
Speaker 2: compliment that didn't sound like a compliment until later he
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, Bowen, like, I just have
Speaker 2: to tell you like you like in the script it
Speaker 2: was originally get out of our house, and you added
Speaker 2: to get out of our townhouse.
Speaker 1: Like that is so lateral. Shut the fuck up, Like
Speaker 1: what are you saying? No, people are obsessed with that line.
Speaker 2: But then later on I'm like, oh, I guess that
Speaker 2: is like the slightest that is the serrated edge that
Speaker 2: that is. That is the bit of as Emily Oberman
Speaker 2: describes it at Pentagram, the bit of wit, the thing
Speaker 2: that is nicely off. It's like, oh, okay, get out
Speaker 2: of our townhouse just hits a little bit different than
Speaker 2: get out of our house.
Speaker 1: This is so funny. We're complimenting our own performances. But no, no,
Speaker 1: but by the way, but when I got there in
Speaker 1: the show, and I of course had seen this scene
Speaker 1: isolated because they had sent it over, and they were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we love it. We're so excited. So
Speaker 1: I watched it. I was like, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: fun presented in the show. I was like, really works
Speaker 1: because it is a panicky situation for him, like when
Speaker 1: you're following him the whole time, and then you find
Speaker 1: us with our two creatures, and the way that it
Speaker 1: starts so kind of like you know, you think he
Speaker 1: might be understood, and then you come in and it's
Speaker 1: a whole other fucking thing. It really worked. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I love that subtly. I am so the bottom and
Speaker 1: you are so the top. Like you totally are the top.
Speaker 1: Like even when you walk in and you go, oh
Speaker 1: like that, you said it like a top, like you
Speaker 1: did the whole thing like the top, And I did
Speaker 1: the whole thing like a bottom one hundred percent. Because
Speaker 1: you are the top in that relationship. Davis is the top.
Speaker 1: I think you're the top in our relationship. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, baby, non sexual the top.
Speaker 2: Ye, No, I think you talk a lot with us.
Speaker 2: That's not true. I'm quiet as a mouse girl.
Speaker 1: I'm not topping you in life. I'm not. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: out here. I feel the bottom. I feel you're at
Speaker 1: the bottom with us.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've celebrated that I've forgot on record saying whatever.
Speaker 1: I just I like that about us. How are you
Speaker 1: denoting bottom? Well, gosh, this is something I have to
Speaker 1: examine too.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm denoting bottom as uh as sub because of
Speaker 2: that directionality.
Speaker 1: I don't find you to be sub okay, socially friendship
Speaker 1: wise really no. But I also don't think you're dominant.
Speaker 1: I just think you're the top.
Speaker 2: God, can I just say God, this is gonna sound
Speaker 2: so annoying, but with like the night that I had off,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna go and meet this guy
Speaker 2: for drinks. Sure barely got a word of note adries.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is my biggest pet peel. And you know,
Speaker 2: I was talking to Lily Glad Lily about this during press.
Speaker 2: I was like, we did this like them speed dating thing.
Speaker 2: I don't think they used this part, but they're But
Speaker 2: one of the questions was what's your biggest pet peeve dating?
Speaker 2: I was like, I think mine is just just not
Speaker 2: saying a peep. I've gotten so many dates lately where
Speaker 2: I just don't say a peep. I don't get asked anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then Lily was like, that's probably because they it's
Speaker 2: people who know it to you, and also they are
Speaker 2: nervous and all these things. I'm like, but like, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, no matter what the dynamic is,
Speaker 2: if it's a date, it's like, it should be equitable.
Speaker 2: It should be an equitable conversation. That's that's that's my
Speaker 2: radical opinion. Am I am I wrong? No, you're one
Speaker 2: hundred percent right.
Speaker 1: I think I do think Lily is probably right, like
Speaker 1: I would imagine, and that that people obviously come with
Speaker 1: a with an idea of recognition for you, and they're
Speaker 1: therefore baggage about the situation, and so they're probably coming
Speaker 1: to the table thinking, well, I'm going to show that
Speaker 1: I'm valuable as well by sharing a lot. Meanwhile, it's like,
Speaker 1: what you really want to do is be actually understood
Speaker 1: or just on a date. Yeah, just on it, Just
Speaker 1: be on a date.
Speaker 2: You know what I know about you, even though I
Speaker 2: have not witnessed it firsthand. I bet you're a great
Speaker 2: fucking date. And I'm going to say I'm a great
Speaker 2: fucking date. I bet you are. One hundred I try,
Speaker 2: I try. I try to make it so easy for
Speaker 2: the other person. Hence me like nodding along, listening. I'm
Speaker 2: with them every every step of the way as they
Speaker 2: unfurther life towards like towards me, and I retain all
Speaker 2: that information, I really do, so that the next time,
Speaker 2: if there's the next time, I like follow up, I.
Speaker 1: Just I wish I could be afforded that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's well. And now I think, in stating it
Speaker 1: out loud, this is one way to do that. Sure,
Speaker 1: hopefully people someone out there takes the note. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm wondering now to myself because I always feel like
Speaker 1: when you're when we're talking about dating, it's so easy
Speaker 1: to be like other people be like or like I
Speaker 1: hate my totally, and I'm trying to ask myself the
Speaker 1: question of, like, if I could take accountability, what could
Speaker 1: I do better with dating? I know I know already
Speaker 1: what mine is, what's yours.
Speaker 2: It's I'm so bad at the texting back, and that
Speaker 2: is just across the border problem I have. That's just
Speaker 2: across the board, something that I have with you with
Speaker 2: no our friends, like like it's like it's it's just
Speaker 2: something that infects every part of my life.
Speaker 1: I don't feel left on red by you ever, it's
Speaker 1: it's great to think that I could get even swifter
Speaker 1: response you can leverage. I think my thing is I
Speaker 1: just bring other experiences into That's okay, but it's so
Speaker 1: hard not to. Yeah, I sometimes have to extra remind
Speaker 1: myself that, you know, other people I've been, I've dated
Speaker 1: are not in the room with us when I'm on
Speaker 1: a new one, and like, I don't like like I'm
Speaker 1: talking to a new person, not someone I can project
Speaker 1: something on from all older situations. But that's my thing.
Speaker 1: And also just knowing what I want to begin with totally,
Speaker 1: because I think we could. I could personally save a
Speaker 1: lot of people a lot of time if I were
Speaker 1: just like, maybe this is not what you want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because for me, it's no longer the thing of like
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm performing on a date or I
Speaker 1: feel the need to stunt on a date, or like
Speaker 1: win a date, like that's something I'm I'm I'm over.
Speaker 1: It's other things now, it's like why am I here
Speaker 1: to begin with? And while I'm here, what am I
Speaker 1: thinking about? And what am I anticipating?
Speaker 2: Yes, that gets in the way that that that like
Speaker 2: that like colors the rest of it within the date.
Speaker 1: It's unfair to the other person and myself. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I've had a dating trauma and
Speaker 1: I feel like, no matter how hard I try. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's like it's it's it's much of
Speaker 1: a problem as it's been. I'm just saying that is
Speaker 1: my challenge now is like this person isn't gonna hurt
Speaker 1: you necessarily, Like if you can actually trust what this
Speaker 1: person says, you know what I mean. Like, it's especially
Speaker 1: as you get into your mid thirties, it's it kind
Speaker 1: of feels like less people are likely to bullshit, so
Speaker 1: give them the opportunity to be gene. Just because you
Speaker 1: had one bad experience doesn't mean they're all going to
Speaker 1: be like that.
Speaker 2: I will say, what was done to you is so unusual.
Speaker 2: Your dating trauma as it was inflicted upon you was
Speaker 2: of such a durrain.
Speaker 1: Nature.
Speaker 2: I was just saying, I was gonna say nature it was.
Speaker 2: It was so extreme and like something that I would
Speaker 2: not wish upon my worst enemy.
Speaker 1: But this is where the accountability comes in totally.
Speaker 2: But I just want to I just want to put
Speaker 2: that out there and like it just I feel for
Speaker 2: you constantly in this regard because it's like God, it
Speaker 2: could not have happened to like a more undeserving person
Speaker 2: whatever deserving means. But you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like God, like you, you can't fucking like, why would
Speaker 2: you do that?
Speaker 1: Don't do it to Matt, don't do it to anyone? Okay,
Speaker 1: what were you saying? Accountability? I think the accountability part
Speaker 1: is is also being like, Okay, a shitty thing happened
Speaker 1: to you in your life. Forget about dating whatever, it's
Speaker 1: like a relationship, whatever it is, Like where's the accountability
Speaker 1: Because at a certain point you do have to stop
Speaker 1: saying like, well it's because this person was this or
Speaker 1: wrong place, wrong time, or whatever. Like I've been able
Speaker 1: to make so many positive changes just about like managing
Speaker 1: my energy and knowing about people's capabilities through certain situations,
Speaker 1: and also it has made a lot of other things
Speaker 1: in my life make sense, Like I will never say
Speaker 1: to anyone now like you have to get over it. It's
Speaker 1: been a long time, you know what I mean, or
Speaker 1: you know what it's like. I'm grateful for the ups
Speaker 1: and downs of dating in general, because they fill out
Speaker 1: a landscape of what that experience is really like In
Speaker 1: totality so that you can be more sensitive and more
Speaker 1: generous and more understanding and empathetic with people. That they
Speaker 1: do say that about like heartbreak and about grief is
Speaker 1: it is miserable to go through. But then ultimately that
Speaker 1: is what makes you a three sixty full human. That's
Speaker 1: what colors in the coloring book that of your emotional
Speaker 1: life are the hard things. It's just fucking tough while
Speaker 1: you're going through them. And I do think like accountability
Speaker 1: is important. Sure, you can give as much as you
Speaker 1: can get, and like there's one thing being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick this around with my girlfriends and my
Speaker 1: sisters and my best friends about like how shitty the
Speaker 1: situation was. But then there's another element of it, which
Speaker 1: is like, and I could do better too, of course.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you even have that mechanism to
Speaker 2: be like, let me examine myself is something that the
Speaker 2: vast majority of people don't have yet because we're just
Speaker 2: people in our thirties dating I think for the most part,
Speaker 2: other people in our thirties and we're all figuring this
Speaker 2: out together. That's the thing about dating within your age.
Speaker 2: Everyone on some levels developmentally on the same track. But
Speaker 2: also there is something appealing about dating for me older,
Speaker 2: but then that becomes but then you have to like
Speaker 2: parse out, well is that a flag of any color
Speaker 2: for them? You know, It's like there's just so many
Speaker 2: different things that you have.
Speaker 1: To think about. Study is like positive, we both have
Speaker 1: to date older. She's positive. She says it all the time.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, you both need someone who's going to
Speaker 1: take control in her like way of saying that, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, see, I wonder though, I wonder, all right,
Speaker 1: dating older quote unquote is different saying that at thirty five,
Speaker 1: saying that at twenty five, You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like when I was twenty five, dating older like a
Speaker 1: guy in his thirties. Now dating older at thirty five
Speaker 1: is like, I don't know what guy in his fifties,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's that's someone that's looking for something
Speaker 1: totally different. Probably, It's like it's so it's I certainly
Speaker 1: watch a lot of Daddy Ploorn and I'll tell you that,
Speaker 1: I tell you that.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, uh, in terms of taking control, I
Speaker 2: don't know about that either. All I want this is
Speaker 2: all I want. I want someone to know what restaurants
Speaker 2: to go to. Mm hmm, that's all I actually want.
Speaker 1: And when you say that, do you mean like you
Speaker 1: want someone that's going to take care of the decisions
Speaker 1: of the law of the life. Yeah. Yeah, I made
Speaker 1: a reservation for us here. Meet me here. The cleaning
Speaker 1: person is coming on Thursday. Like not a nurser of me,
Speaker 1: but just someone someone that has that on their mind,
Speaker 1: take care of you.
Speaker 2: I have my like dashboard of life all kind of
Speaker 2: laid out the way that I wanted to accept in
Speaker 2: some few deficiencies, and it would be so nice. And
Speaker 2: this is not a requirement obviously, and we're just talking,
Speaker 2: we're just shooting from the hep here. But it's like,
Speaker 2: would be so cool if like there was a puzzle
Speaker 2: piece like like completing that, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so funny.
Speaker 2: It's so fun to fantasize about these things.
Speaker 1: I know, because and I'll tell you what, it's a
Speaker 1: lot more fun then going on the actual dates talking
Speaker 1: about how many and shit totally because like again, like
Speaker 1: it's like we're talking about earlier about like you know,
Speaker 1: gay guys not supporting other gay guys. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but wouldn't it be fun to think about one that
Speaker 1: does you know what I mean, and they do exist.
Speaker 1: Not to say that every time a song like Manchild
Speaker 1: by Sabrina Carpenter comes out that I'm not absolutely down
Speaker 1: to ride load the shotgun, let's go into town, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I am down to talk
Speaker 1: about how many and shit like it went in little
Speaker 1: tiny fun flairs. But in terms of a life ideology,
Speaker 1: I had to, and you know, I think we all
Speaker 1: have to at a certain point, like clock the stories
Speaker 1: that we've been telling ourselves and being like, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not helping myself by consistently telling myself the same story.
Speaker 1: Because not everyone is the person that love bombed you.
Speaker 1: Not everyone is the person that cheated on you. Not
Speaker 1: everyone is the person that you know stole your money.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know why that was the third thing?
Speaker 1: Have you been pilfered by a man? No body know
Speaker 1: people that have yikes. Someone that we know was dating
Speaker 1: someone it was found out was only dating them so
Speaker 1: that they could finance projects of theirs, and then they bailed.
Speaker 1: Like people are sick.
Speaker 2: Well, there's one fucking person out there who has never
Speaker 2: dated me, but he owes me money. You got to
Speaker 2: tell me after I gotta tell you, no, I follow
Speaker 2: it up after years and you know who it is.
Speaker 1: Oh, I do know who it is? And can I
Speaker 1: tear something? That's crazy?
Speaker 2: I emailed again. I was like, Hey, where's my money?
Speaker 2: And if I see him out in these streets.
Speaker 1: Say it, say it. It's on site site. Man, why
Speaker 1: are you not paying me four hundred dollars?
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not confrontational at all in moments like this,
Speaker 2: I have no problem bring it up. And this person's
Speaker 2: avoided me out in the public, and I'm like, dude, well,
Speaker 2: of course, how much money is it? Like a seven
Speaker 2: hundred dollars? Yeah, see, that's not a small amount at all.
Speaker 2: I want seven hundred dollars please.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That is owed to me in the form of services
Speaker 2: and lodging that I was providing to you, and that
Speaker 2: was agreed upon God whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. You know what's a crazy thing about me?
Speaker 1: I have the I had the instinct. For three quarters
Speaker 1: of a second. I was like, I'll just send him
Speaker 1: the money. Then I was like, no, it's not about that. No,
Speaker 1: it's the principle of it is the principle of pleasure.
Speaker 1: One of the great songs I feel like people are
Speaker 1: gonna be furious if we don't address, and just like that, okay, address,
Speaker 1: and just like that we have to address, and just
Speaker 1: like that one thing, I'll say I loved the choice
Speaker 1: for the virgin nun played by Rosie o'donald to say
Speaker 1: I've never been to New York before in a New
Speaker 1: York accent. Ah, that's how I knew we were still cooking,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean for ros o'donald to just
Speaker 1: launch I've never been to New York before, like in
Speaker 1: that accent as a virgin nun, lesbian nun who focks Miranda.
Speaker 1: Like more of that, like if I'm behind the wheel,
Speaker 1: my foot is on the gas for more of that.
Speaker 2: Right, I am really disoriented by the aid and stuff.
Speaker 2: Gotta say, so, this five year thing is loose and
Speaker 2: then he shows up for a random thing because he
Speaker 2: was just in town unannounced, comes to the house like
Speaker 2: a lot of things need some sort of realist texture there,
Speaker 2: and it just there's it's just a slippery fantasy, which
Speaker 2: is I guess what Sex and the City always kind
Speaker 2: of was. But then at the same time, there were
Speaker 2: moments of that show that were truly for lack of
Speaker 2: a better word like gritty.
Speaker 1: They've got Carrie in a long distance relationship dealing with rats.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't see this from my girl. It's
Speaker 1: hard when you have a character that you know always
Speaker 1: smarter than this, and we're watching her go through this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, look, I understand, like I have. I've
Speaker 1: been there with really trying to make it work with
Speaker 1: the guy that you believe is the one, but at
Speaker 1: a certain point, like she's too old for this shit.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if it's like, Okay, we're building up
Speaker 2: to like her losing patience with this kind of domesticity
Speaker 2: and then this breaks off of Aiden and then she
Speaker 2: goes out into the dating world again. But I don't
Speaker 2: know that two episodes in a row of home maintenance
Speaker 2: is this thing that is Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think, but I think we are because this guy that's
Speaker 1: coming in to do her backyard had they had a
Speaker 1: lot of sexual attention, and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: what they've done is they're they're essentially putting in an
Speaker 1: Aiden who's actually available, because didn't you feel he gave Aiden?
Speaker 2: Of course, I mean l o el at that hair
Speaker 2: and then the just the belt being loose off of
Speaker 2: it off of a loop like I'm like, okay, this
Speaker 2: is so telegraphed.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, he's aiden. Aiden has come in
Speaker 1: and suddenly there's an Aiden there that can be available
Speaker 1: to her, and I'm hoping she jumps his bones quick,
Speaker 1: like right quick. I just I need Carrie to be
Speaker 1: doing more sex in the city. That's that's what I
Speaker 1: want from it. That's what that's what we all want.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I love the the Miranda plot
Speaker 1: line of she fucks the virgin None. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: miss like that. This feels like it Okay. Any feelings, thoughts,
Speaker 1: things you want to say about The Wicked for a
Speaker 1: good trailer, she hit the web hard.
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to say that the Wicked trailer is
Speaker 2: but a glimpse.
Speaker 1: I mean, what can I say? I can't I love
Speaker 1: I love Ruler Culture number ninety the trailer trailers, but
Speaker 1: a glimpse. That's all we can say about that.
Speaker 2: I want to say that Alphab's hair literally coming down
Speaker 2: is a sligh to me.
Speaker 1: I think that. I'm so I'm looking for a big
Speaker 1: piece of art to put over my new couch, and
Speaker 1: I think that Albaba with her hair down, I think
Speaker 1: I would like a let's say eighty by thirty. God,
Speaker 1: that's a huge piece of state an art for my
Speaker 1: living room, which is Alphaba with her hair down, having
Speaker 1: just like fucked it up. I need that.
Speaker 2: Eighty inches is almost I would say seven feet.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so big. Seven feet. So right now I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hired an interior designer and I fucking
Speaker 1: love her. I'm so excited and we're talking about like,
Speaker 1: so you have to make a big decision once you
Speaker 1: put in your couch. It's like when you think about
Speaker 1: what's going to go above it, is it like a
Speaker 1: lot of different things? Is it shelving, is it asymmetry
Speaker 1: or is it one big art?
Speaker 2: I think you want one big art. I think I
Speaker 2: want one big art.
Speaker 1: And I'm joking that it's Alphaba, But am I Can
Speaker 1: you imagine if I if I if Trade came over
Speaker 1: here and they're like, hey, so excited we finally connected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really good meal and drinks as well. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the film we saw and when we ice
Speaker 1: skated on our date, excited to go into your apartment
Speaker 1: opens the door comes in, Dick a little hard sees
Speaker 1: Alphaba on the wall.
Speaker 2: What's the craziest core you've you've you've seen Trade have
Speaker 2: when they've hosted.
Speaker 1: This is a good question. I have an answer, so immediate.
Speaker 1: What is what if Bowen Yang? What is the craziest
Speaker 1: core you've seen Trade display? Sweet older gentleman in Midtown.
Speaker 1: I walk in and.
Speaker 2: There's no inch of wall in this apartment that was
Speaker 2: not covered in like a plastic I should say, like
Speaker 2: a little tiny sculptural disney.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's so rough in a way.
Speaker 2: In a way because and by the way, I am
Speaker 2: not unreceptive to that, but it was, you know, you
Speaker 2: love us. It was a maximalism to a degree that
Speaker 2: I was like, this is this is a lot? And
Speaker 2: he was like, I know, it's a lot. I was like,
Speaker 2: it's a lot.
Speaker 1: You weren't ready much less horny for it. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: so you actually were? Okay.
Speaker 2: I I looked past it, but on the way out,
Speaker 2: I was like, God, damn, that's a giant moleficent, you know,
Speaker 2: like it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the Ryan Murphy's grotesquerie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I guess I have two one none
Speaker 1: none as specific as that, but one I went over
Speaker 1: a guy's apartment to hook up, and I was he
Speaker 1: had so much art hung up and it was kind
Speaker 1: of beautiful. But everything I asked about, he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's this? He told me that his ex boyfriend had
Speaker 1: hung it up. Shut up. He's like, oh yeah, my
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend hung that up. You can leave that out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my ex boyfriend put that on that wall.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this this is a picture that my ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend framed. I was just like, what, what about the
Speaker 1: contents of the picture. It was always secondary so that
Speaker 1: and then one time I took it doggy from someone
Speaker 1: in a room that was a hoarders room. It was
Speaker 1: I just it's like when you you meet someone in
Speaker 1: there incredibly put together and you're like, well, there's no
Speaker 1: way that it's gonna be two feet of clothes on
Speaker 1: the ground that we have to climb over. If you're
Speaker 1: even thinking about having someone come over, there has to
Speaker 1: be a path to the bed. Yeah, oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, if there's no path to
Speaker 1: the bed, there's no path forward. That's actually real Coach
Speaker 1: number forty. If there's no path to the bed, there
Speaker 1: is no path forward. Some of these girls the bedding
Speaker 1: is barely on, like the just just the sheets are
Speaker 1: just like you know, I don't have to have a
Speaker 1: full bedding set, but sometimes the Mattres protector is like
Speaker 1: halfway off and I go, oh, well we should figure
Speaker 1: this out. Also, yes, and what do you feel about
Speaker 1: pageantry with a towel on the bed? No? No, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, can we not? Like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to fuck on a towel.
Speaker 2: No. Although I did have the algorithm work, it's work
Speaker 2: on me once and I bought one of those like
Speaker 2: those like coum throws.
Speaker 1: Like anal sex throw, like a com throw.
Speaker 2: I've used it once, but it does kind of break
Speaker 2: it where I'm like hold on, hold on, and I
Speaker 2: got to like fish it out of the closet and
Speaker 2: put it.
Speaker 1: Out uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 2: And it's a nice feeling. And it's not a towel,
Speaker 2: for God's sake.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, one time I'm getting fucked by a
Speaker 1: guy and trust me, like I've taken care of this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm in the anal sex game now almost
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years, we're we're good at this. So
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like around twenty seven twenty eight, you kind
Speaker 1: of you kind of learn like, Okay, I'm not the
Speaker 1: age where I can just like hop on Dix anymore.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's not always a perfect science.
Speaker 1: But now I'm at the point where like if I'm
Speaker 1: going to be bottoming, like, don't worry about it. I've
Speaker 1: figured it out. And if there if something goes down,
Speaker 1: like it's not crazy, like we're all adults here whatever.
Speaker 1: So I was, you know, recently, not recently, about a
Speaker 1: year ago, like I was like, uh, can I fuck you?
Speaker 1: And I was like yes, and then he's like we
Speaker 1: should get a towel. I'm like, it's really okay, and
Speaker 1: he was like, let's get a towel at my at
Speaker 1: my house and I'm like no, I'm like, what about
Speaker 1: looking at me in my beautiful eyes? Says I'm in
Speaker 1: a ship everywhere. I don't think I was giving that,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I give that. I'm one of
Speaker 1: those gay guys that's like I don't farre. Ask Jared,
Speaker 1: I don't fart. You don't far dated me a year.
Speaker 1: I'm one of those I don't fart gays, Like I
Speaker 1: don't like it.
Speaker 2: Because anytime I far you really get scandalized.
Speaker 1: I have what I would describe as a full body response.
Speaker 1: But you're far. Its sound like an angry Egyptian king.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're pretty bad. I should get that chat yours.
Speaker 1: Yours are the loudest sounds on on the on the
Speaker 1: scale of sound, and mine are silent. But I can't
Speaker 1: believe not saying this, but they're bad. See you too far? No,
Speaker 1: that was just for you. I really don't fart.
Speaker 2: The only reason I have a butthole is for sex
Speaker 2: promise promise entrance only.
Speaker 1: Anyways, But I was so much I was like, shut up,
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you it's fine.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's disgusting. Now get out. You're not fucking me.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, okay, let me get up and
Speaker 1: get it. Like I'm like, I'm telling you it's fine.
Speaker 1: Oh so if we're in my house and I say
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, totally. Oh I don't like that,
Speaker 1: And just like that we've arrived at I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: it's time. Yeah, this is our segment where we take
Speaker 1: one minute to really take the piss out of something
Speaker 1: in culture. And I have something? Do you have something?
Speaker 2: I do have something. Okay, this is great. This is
Speaker 2: Matt Rodgers's I don't think so honey, as time starts now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so honey that the actress Jen Lyon is
Speaker 1: not a household name. So I watched The English Teacher
Speaker 1: again and so enjoyed it. And she does the best
Speaker 1: guest acting in a comedy performance I have ever seen.
Speaker 1: Literally start the conversation right now. That needs to be
Speaker 1: an Emmy nomination for gen Lyon in English Teacher. This
Speaker 1: performance is funny, It was layered, it was everything, and
Speaker 1: I was like, where have I seen her before? The
Speaker 1: answer everywhere. She was on the show Clause, which was
Speaker 1: an underrated show with Nisi Nash. It was a Nissi
Speaker 1: Nash vehicle that also had a really great performance from
Speaker 1: Kruci Tran. By the way, like this show was gold
Speaker 1: and then you'll peel back the layers and you realize
Speaker 1: gen Lyon slays it in so many things. This is
Speaker 1: one of the funniest, most like complex, like I am
Speaker 1: s depths giving actresses that's out there and I need
Speaker 1: her to be known and I need her to be
Speaker 1: cast in all things. I don't think so honey that
Speaker 1: she's not.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute thank you, but also she is
Speaker 2: but also she is, so it's like it's yeah, she's
Speaker 2: this is what we call, you know, a rising star.
Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to serve on the jury of
Speaker 1: the Gotham TV Awards and I did Supporting Performance in
Speaker 1: a Comedy Series and that was one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why I was rewatching English Teacher because Sean Patton was nominated.
Speaker 1: He's excellent. We ultimately gave the award to Pirna Jaganathan
Speaker 1: from Deli Boys, a show that study wrote for, and
Speaker 1: she's also great on. But I feel like people aren't
Speaker 1: talking about and it's a really great show. So basically
Speaker 1: I come here to say, watch those shows that you've
Speaker 1: been meeting to watch that people have been telling you about,
Speaker 1: because they've got stuff like this gen Lion performance which
Speaker 1: just affected me in such a way and I was laughing,
Speaker 1: I laugh out loud at that show, like the kids
Speaker 1: in it are It's the best like kid acting I've
Speaker 1: seen in a really long time. Mmmmm, oh that's so fun. No,
Speaker 1: just to have like authentic teens like saying these lines
Speaker 1: that are really really well written comedy, but the way
Speaker 1: that say it is so dropped in like it feels real.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like kids are acting, which is so hard.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Shout out if a lot of plays.
Speaker 2: We were pointing out to Tony's oh yeah, and shows
Speaker 2: taking place at schools in the classroom. A shout out
Speaker 2: to anyone who runs a production or does has to
Speaker 2: corral children.
Speaker 1: Of any kind. You deserve a billion dollars. Okay, when
Speaker 1: are you seeing John Proferter as the Villain?
Speaker 2: I cannot wait. I'm seeing it on the fourteenth, right
Speaker 2: before we go to France. I can't wait for you
Speaker 2: to see it and talk to you about it. I'm
Speaker 2: so excited.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Bowen Yang you had and I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey to do mm hmm. And I'm excited about
Speaker 1: that to hear it. Great, this is Bowe Yang's. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. As time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey.
Speaker 2: Having a matinee on Tony Sunday, I think was making
Speaker 2: these poor people. Some of them love to do it
Speaker 2: and shout out, but I say, you give them a
Speaker 2: day to pamper themselves up to really, you know, get
Speaker 2: the micro current machine going on the face or get
Speaker 2: the little whax that they might have not had time
Speaker 2: during the rest of the week when they have seven
Speaker 2: other shows, maybe six other shows. Let's say, fine, they
Speaker 2: don't have a Sunday night show. I just think these
Speaker 2: people deserve a day off, a third and dated day
Speaker 2: off on Tony Sunday.
Speaker 1: And then I was thinking, you know what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Last night, my girl Audra changes into the Mama Rose
Speaker 2: get up, then has to We know Broadway loves a
Speaker 2: quick change. These actors love a quick change. That has
Speaker 2: to quick change back into her gorgeous gown. I say,
Speaker 2: take the stress out. I used to love a quick change,
Speaker 2: but now I go, don't touch, let me just sit
Speaker 2: because you want to just these people deserve to just sit.
Speaker 2: I know they're working with a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: inertia and momentum, and they have to keep moving, but
Speaker 2: just I give them a moment to just be still.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I couldn't believe that that was
Speaker 1: the second time Audre had done that that day, in
Speaker 1: that day, giving one hundred and ten percent, like you
Speaker 1: were saying, I was so shook by the end of
Speaker 1: that PHO. Now, I think if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: you if you listen back to when I first saw it,
Speaker 1: which was in previews, you kind of get what I
Speaker 1: mean when I say, we're gonna go on Wednesday. By
Speaker 1: the way, we're taking Sudie. I can't wait. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited for you to see it. It's great. But you
Speaker 1: get what I mean when I say that I believe
Speaker 1: that this angle on Rose was talking more about her
Speaker 1: as someone who was like mentally ill, Like you're not
Speaker 1: frightened of Rose in Roses Turn, You're frightened for her, Yes,
Speaker 1: And by the end I was like, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt her anguish in a way where I was
Speaker 1: just like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, like in such
Speaker 1: a crazy way. And also, she does eight shows a week.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have an understudy going on, not one day,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the other people can't say that
Speaker 1: she does eight. She does eight. That is Odra Mick duh,
Speaker 1: fucking legend, fucking legend, fucking legend for all time.
Speaker 2: And I thought just the right amount of addressing it
Speaker 2: at the show last night with Oprah saying a lot
Speaker 2: of people talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was absolutely lovely to get to know you better,
Speaker 1: I really got to know you and your sexual experiences.
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Speaker 1: not without a clear path to the bed. That's that's hiking.
Speaker 1: That's a hike. Doggy in a messy room without a
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