WEBVTT - Deebo & Joe - Mike Tomlin Steps Down as Steelers Coach + Giants Hire John Harbaugh

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to D Boy and Joe. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>James D. Bo Harrison. I'm here with my co hosts

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<v Speaker 2>How you're doing the day, Joe bro I'm doing I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing pretty good. Debo, I'm doing good. Another day the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord has made. But honestly, with Coach T stepping off,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was I was a little I was

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<v Speaker 2>a little emotional. I'm happy if we're gonna get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy with how it happened and how he's able

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<v Speaker 2>to walk away. But you know, I legitimately, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying that it hit me for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>But I rock with Coach T big time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, with with all the you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff coming out. You know, he's the all time, He's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the all time greats and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you do you agree with that? Do you disagree

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<v Speaker 3>with that? This is?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, hold up before you answer that, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to know what's your measurement for all time.

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<v Speaker 3>That That's what I have to tell you too.

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<v Speaker 2>When we have the conversation of all time grades, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the same conversation I feel like I have when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Hall of Fame, like is he in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame? There's different classes? Are we talking like

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jordan? You know what I'm saying, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James,

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<v Speaker 2>Kyrie Irving is in that same Hall of Fame, But

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there might be a different class.

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<v Speaker 3>So when we talk about the greatest coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all time, I don't think Mike Tomlin might not

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<v Speaker 2>go now it's the greatest coach of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's plenty of coach.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go with Bill Belichick, you can go with

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck No, you can go with other coaches for sure

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<v Speaker 2>that are in a different class that you could.

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<v Speaker 3>Say that they have done it in a way higher level.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we talk about greatness, when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame status, I don't like to bash coach

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<v Speaker 2>Tomlin and put another man down to raise another man up.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say, when you say greatest of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, you know what I'm saying, hall

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<v Speaker 2>of fame is why I say, yes, he's in the

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame for sure, Like there's a room for

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<v Speaker 2>the Lebron James and the Michael Jordan's in the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame. But still Kyrie Irving is a Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>Fame player and that's why I put it where like

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Bellich check Mike Tomlin.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You can put greatness of other coaches that are better

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<v Speaker 2>than him, that I've seen before, that have done it to.

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<v Speaker 3>The greatest level.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you say it's Goes Tomlin a great coach,

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<v Speaker 2>I can say, yes, he's a great coach. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest of all time. There's plenty of other coaches

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<v Speaker 2>you can pick, but I can put him. I can

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<v Speaker 2>put him in that class. I can put him in

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<v Speaker 2>that room. So with me, I think he is a

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame coach. I think he's a great coach.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the best coach. He's the best football

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<v Speaker 2>NFL football coach that I've ever played for. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>certain people that played for you played for other coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>but for me personally, I played for Eric Mangini, I

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<v Speaker 2>played for Pat Shermer, I played for Rob Chaczinski. I

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<v Speaker 2>played for Mike Pedton, and I played for Hugh Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when I went to the Steelers. I played

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<v Speaker 2>for Mike Tomlin. Out of my NFL career, I played

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years in the league. I would like to call

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<v Speaker 2>myself a great NFL player, a dude that comes in

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<v Speaker 2>there and does his job at a very high level.

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<v Speaker 2>My best coach ever, by far, was Mike Tomlin. I

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<v Speaker 2>never went into a game ill prepared. I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>when I was there, he gave us the keys to victory.

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<v Speaker 2>He let us know the winning edge. I never had

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<v Speaker 2>a winning edge meeting with the head coach before, where

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<v Speaker 2>you would go and meet with just the dbs and

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the outside linebackers and get the breakdown

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<v Speaker 2>of while we're running these plays, while we're doing these

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<v Speaker 2>certain schemes, and what to expect so for in my position,

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<v Speaker 2>Coach Tomlin, great coach, great leader of men, great raw

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<v Speaker 2>raw his team meetings, the way that he did that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff nineteen years thirteen player for appearances, seven AFC championships

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<v Speaker 2>and the Super Bowl and went to two that's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to shun on or shy about or take lightly. So

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<v Speaker 2>I like the way that he was able to I

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<v Speaker 2>think at the same time both two things could be right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his time was up in Pittsburgh for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Like the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>he just hasn't been able to do it. So him

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<v Speaker 2>being able to read the room not get kicked out

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<v Speaker 2>of the room. You want to be desired and not

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<v Speaker 2>be putting up with. So when you're in the stadiums

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<v Speaker 2>and you start hearing the booze, coach Tomlin's not stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not blow or death when he's been hearing the

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<v Speaker 2>rumblings for years of all these play all these eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred seasons aren't good enough for us.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't going to be good enough. So him to

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<v Speaker 3>go in.

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<v Speaker 2>There and keep it where TJ. Watt, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Heigh Smith. I don't think dudes really knew that he

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<v Speaker 2>was probably about to leave. But to go in there,

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<v Speaker 2>keep it going, still make the playoffs, and then once

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<v Speaker 2>the season was over and they didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He hasn't been doing as well as he should have

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<v Speaker 3>been doing.

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<v Speaker 2>He gracefully bowed out, told him like Rooney, I'm ready

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<v Speaker 2>to step off. I'm ready to go, Like this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>really what's going on for me. So I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was his time to go. I loved the way he

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<v Speaker 2>was an adult read the room, didn't have to either

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<v Speaker 2>force his way to come back next year and do

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. I think coach he liked to be

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<v Speaker 2>in there. Loves win, love feeling wanted, likes when you

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<v Speaker 2>come into in the stadium knowing their cheering.

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<v Speaker 3>For you, to room for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But the back end of the fans and hearing what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on and seven straight years of them not

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<v Speaker 2>winning any playoff games. That's real, live, that's happening on

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<v Speaker 2>the football field. So him taking some accountability for that

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<v Speaker 2>too is legit. But for me, I think he is

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<v Speaker 2>a great coach. But there's levels to greatness, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can say how other people could think. There's other great coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>But in my eyes and from my perspective of knowing

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<v Speaker 2>how to go into the games, what he gave me

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<v Speaker 2>when I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was there, I love that man. And yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 3>what it is with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're not saying the greatest to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest.

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<v Speaker 3>To ever do it? Right? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, okay, all right, that's all right. I'm cool with

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<v Speaker 1>you on that. Now, great, I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna say I can agree with you on that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I can't agree with you on that is

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel that just looking at what I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 1>right now from guys saying, you know, you know, coach

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<v Speaker 1>Tomlin is the greatest coach to ever do it, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest to ever do it. He's a leader

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<v Speaker 1>of men, you know, blah blah blah, all all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I will agree with him. He is a leader of men.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be a good coach, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>a leader of men. The guys have to respect you.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to know that you're what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That the decisions that you make, like you said, going

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<v Speaker 1>into the game, it works, it pans out. You're able

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. You got to buy into it, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But the major reason I feel a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 1>is saying he's a great coach is because Coach T

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<v Speaker 1>is a awe time great motivator.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he is a all time great motivator. He has

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<v Speaker 1>the gift of gad that's coach T okay. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>great at getting guys to you know, feel good about

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<v Speaker 1>their self, boost the confidence, you know, he hitting them

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<v Speaker 1>with the the tomlinisms and and and all that. You know, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a five star matchup. Because we in it. Standard

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<v Speaker 1>is the standard. Uh, don't blink. If you blink, peel

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<v Speaker 1>your eyelids off, you know. On Yeah, and players like

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<v Speaker 1>like they're taking that motivation and the leader of men

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<v Speaker 1>and they're calling it greatness. You can be a leader

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<v Speaker 1>of men and not be a great motivator. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to get the gad. Joe tell you. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know we're in the game. We're sitting there before

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<v Speaker 1>the game and we're about to go out, and the

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<v Speaker 1>coach says, hey, so and so, get up and do

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<v Speaker 1>the pregame before we walk out in the first yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Is hell, not him.

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<v Speaker 1>Him. It's not that he is not a leader of men.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine times out of ten, he got that.

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<v Speaker 3>C on his chest.

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<v Speaker 1>But his motivation game is trash. And to me, a

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<v Speaker 1>great coach dude has an added dynamic to it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's mentor.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not talking about personal and emotional, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm hearing from a lot of guys. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about you learned enough from this person that they took

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<v Speaker 1>your teachings, your guidance and went on to become a

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<v Speaker 1>version of you.

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<v Speaker 3>I e a coaching tree.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been almost twenty years and Mike T don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a coaching tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that, Joe, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You got no answer, You have no answer why he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a coaching tree after being in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>almost twenty years. But he is one of the all

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<v Speaker 1>time greats. And no owner, no TM, nobody has cam

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you know what, I want one of your

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<v Speaker 1>coaches that are under you, and I want that for

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<v Speaker 1>my team. I can use that person to lead my team,

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<v Speaker 1>to lead my defense, to leave my offense. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>ask you this? Can I ask you this at the

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<v Speaker 1>same as the same time. Must men you back with

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<v Speaker 1>one question?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not as sure of the coaching with the hiring process.

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<v Speaker 2>Are these all coach T's Is he he brings in

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<v Speaker 2>the coach I remember? Remember Coach T promotes from within?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, no, no, I hear, I hear that. I'm just asking.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just asking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm blind asking because I don't know certain coaches don't

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<v Speaker 2>have that pool. I don't know where I was at

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<v Speaker 2>coach coaches was getting fired, gms are staying, gems are staying,

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<v Speaker 2>coaches are getting fired.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, you don't know how I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't and I need to know the level of the

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<v Speaker 2>level of pool makes it easier for me to give accountability.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're able to bring in your coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, if you have reason to bring in

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<v Speaker 2>your coaches, and you do bring in these coaches and

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<v Speaker 2>then they don't happen to pan out and they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>fired and they're not treeing off and they're not doing well,

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<v Speaker 2>then you're then that's stuff that I did not know.

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<v Speaker 2>So that brings knowledge to me, that puts that on

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<v Speaker 2>the head coach. I'm thinking more. It got to be

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's in Cahoo's we gotta it's more than you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes more than two to tang up.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no question, but this this is something like I

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<v Speaker 1>said that I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, you don't. You don't have an answer for that. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, So with that said, let's give the little people.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get the people a little insight. Because they say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hating that's what that's that's been a story since

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<v Speaker 1>they released James in twenty seventeen, was James is hating

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<v Speaker 1>on coach t Okay, Joe. So this is what we

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<v Speaker 1>go through, Joe, we go give we're gonna give these

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<v Speaker 1>people that are here. I wanted to call them something else,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not a little lessen like. Okay, So, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have both played in this.

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<v Speaker 3>League for a long time, right, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's things that goes on in this league that

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<v Speaker 1>we will never talk about to the regular public because

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an unspoken rule that you don't do if

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<v Speaker 1>you agree, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a thousand mist an agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's unless somebody speaks out against you. Then that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little different. And the crazy thing is usually when

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<v Speaker 1>that happens, the people don't believe it. And when somebody

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<v Speaker 1>speak that out loud, they don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because they agreeable, right, Okay, now a snitcher right right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Believed he's saying this because of this. He's saying this

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<v Speaker 1>because of that. Okay, So we're giving we're both an

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<v Speaker 1>agreeing on that statement. It's a valid thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the reason this doesn't happen is because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of guys are trying to get back into the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>when they're done. So if you break that unspoken rule,

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<v Speaker 1>it's highly unlikely you're going to get in because if

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<v Speaker 1>you did it to them, you could do it to me?

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<v Speaker 3>Would you agree with that? Debo stamp? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now now that that said, also know what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on at other teams at other leagues, especially now, because

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<v Speaker 1>guys are friends with other players on other teams and

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<v Speaker 1>they talk to each other and tell each other what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on at other teams, and the coaches and management

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<v Speaker 1>of those teams do the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now we're getting somewhere, Joe. So this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I believe is been happening in Pittsburgh and why coach

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<v Speaker 1>Tomlin doesn't have a coaching tree after almost twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>because these gms and these owners know what's happening behind

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<v Speaker 1>closed doors. So it would make zero sense for them

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<v Speaker 1>to go and get a guy and promote him when

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<v Speaker 1>they already know he doesn't have the skills to do

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<v Speaker 1>the job.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you would you would? Would that make sense to

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<v Speaker 3>your job? I mean, I mean I didn't have it.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't have a reason.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you broke down what you just said, that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a reason that would make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you add that to a statement that was released

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<v Speaker 1>where Art said none of his coaches are up for

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<v Speaker 1>the head coaching job. Go find another job that would

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<v Speaker 1>be more highly likely that they would go on or

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<v Speaker 1>that or or the reason why he doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>coaching tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, would you would would you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say he made Look if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a coaching tree, I said that he hired he

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<v Speaker 2>was bad at hiring coaches, dudes he thought were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the things we're not good, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I could say that, you can say, you can

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<v Speaker 1>say that he made a mistake in hiring coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I can say that. I can say I

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<v Speaker 2>can say that if he was accountable for hiring these

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinators that haven't been really doing too well, then

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say, yes, right, defensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, yes, So so at.

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<v Speaker 1>Some point we had almost six seven eight openings and

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<v Speaker 1>not one of these other coaches were mentioned for the

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<v Speaker 1>head job except for what's his name, the OC, But

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<v Speaker 1>he already had a head job, so he's not considered

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<v Speaker 1>to be a tree that would come from Tomland anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, uh, fuck his name? You know what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>talking about, the OC?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So now they go with the oh, he's did

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<v Speaker 1>so Oh, he's did so much with so little. Right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he's did so much with so little, and I give

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<v Speaker 1>him credit for that, you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>I give him credit because that's what the coach good

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<v Speaker 3>coach does.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yes, but I also have to take credit away

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<v Speaker 1>because he's been there nineteen years and he's one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent responsible.

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<v Speaker 3>For that roster. I got my kind of thing, man,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And like the Ravens owner said, he said, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give him say, but no power.

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<v Speaker 3>Mum hmm. That was that. That was how he operated.

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<v Speaker 1>He gonna get you saved, but at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, he's gonna have the power to make the

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<v Speaker 1>pick or decision of the player that he wants, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And I honestly I don't have a problem with that

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm gonna head coach. Yeah, I'm the one that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get fired.

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<v Speaker 3>If this goes wrong. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's who's when we just right before Omar we had

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<v Speaker 2>it was Kevin Cobert. So you're telling me now that

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<v Speaker 2>they were working together, but Coach T had the final sack.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say sometime between thirteen to fifteen, Coach T

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<v Speaker 1>got say of what it was he wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>who he would be able to pick when it came

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<v Speaker 1>down to a decision of who has to say Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good knowledge for me.

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<v Speaker 3>D Now now now go back to that. Now go

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<v Speaker 3>back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we ain't want to playoff games since what

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen sixteen? Right, And that's on him. He's done a

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<v Speaker 1>horrible job in the draft process, a horrible job. If

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<v Speaker 1>you go back to twenty fifteen to now, we have

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<v Speaker 1>only given two players in those first two rounds long

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<v Speaker 1>term extensions. Okay, TJ and Friar move two out of fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That is one hundred percent him. That is one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent him.

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<v Speaker 3>Why why is that? Why an't you give more guys extensions?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess the main ones was like I say,

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking Juju.

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<v Speaker 3>We say shay Zeer got hurt, so.

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<v Speaker 2>That was God was a good pick Chase he got hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>Juju Deonte.

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<v Speaker 1>We had fifteen altogether, only two of them got long

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<v Speaker 1>term extensions. Say it could have been three or saxt

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<v Speaker 1>year didn't getting hurt? Is that still a good percentage? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's no, it's not. It's not it's not. But a

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<v Speaker 1>great coach. Made made made those made those decisions, and

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<v Speaker 1>and he got all that power.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And another reason I believe he wanted to get that

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<v Speaker 1>power is he came in. He came in, he made

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<v Speaker 1>great coaching decisions when he came in the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>he did he kept the whole defensive staff. You got

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<v Speaker 1>a defense that was ranked one, four and a nine

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<v Speaker 1>in the three years before that.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't really.

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<v Speaker 1>Let that go because if you let that go in

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<v Speaker 1>the defense you're throwing there don't do no better. You

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<v Speaker 1>might be out of a job before it even starts.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I'm saying that you can't blame it

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<v Speaker 2>that that's smart.

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<v Speaker 3>If you see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Got smart, that's what I'm saying. That's a good coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm agreeing with you. Yes, Okay. Now he went in

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<v Speaker 1>BA Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians was promoted to the offensive coordinator. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>a good coaching decision. Why be able to receive his coach?

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<v Speaker 1>He was brought in under Kowar. But you got Ben

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<v Speaker 1>who was just now starting to come into his own

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to tell him he got to learn

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<v Speaker 1>the new system. That wouldn't be a good decision. That's

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<v Speaker 1>very smart on his behalf. That is a good coaching decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of that, he went and won a super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>in year two and went back again and ten years later.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, I give him credit for that. Okay, good, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I don't give him credit for is because

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<v Speaker 1>he did not pick those players.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are Bill Coward's players.

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<v Speaker 1>And that again is another reason why I believe he

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for power as much as he said he

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<v Speaker 1>don't hear the outside noise he heard people talking about

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<v Speaker 1>that was Coward's team. You just took Coyver's team to

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<v Speaker 1>the super Bowl year and year two, you go and

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<v Speaker 1>win the Super Bowl. You go back again two years

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<v Speaker 1>after that, and when you look at the roster, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the most was like three three starters on defense,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first one might have been one or two.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Woodley was was was one, and Timmys I

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<v Speaker 1>think was rotating with foot.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The one we went back and we ended up losing,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Timmins and Woodley. Those were his two, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was one more. I don't remember who

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<v Speaker 1>it was. Okay, So now you go from there. Since

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<v Speaker 1>our last playoff win in twenty sixteen bro under his guidance,

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<v Speaker 1>him being able to pick who he want. We are

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<v Speaker 1>getting further and further away from a championship.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe, I would say, the two years you're correct, this sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that year when you won the playoffs, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the that was that was the that was

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<v Speaker 2>the beating Jesse James. Year, that was the beating Jesse James.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the next year, twenty seventeen, that was when

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<v Speaker 2>we went thirteen and three had to buy and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what Shazier got hurt and we brought up my man

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Spence from the couch at the crib and Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 3>Told it on us and we gave up forty five points.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think those.

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<v Speaker 2>Two years sixteen seventeen that bad bad luck, bad luck.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, hold up, great teams, bad luck, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So from that point on after you said that, from

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<v Speaker 2>that point on after seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Then i'm a few things we didn't look good.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's when coach he started realizing that

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<v Speaker 2>it was it wasn't looking good either.

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<v Speaker 1>Now hold on, I want you to, I want you to,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to think about this. Now, what year

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you got there?

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<v Speaker 2>You got there in seventeen, right, I got there at seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So from fifteen until eighteen, the offense was never

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.439
<v Speaker 1>ranked lower than of four. So all these people that

0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.880
<v Speaker 1>want to say he never had a quarterback, he never

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<v Speaker 1>had this. Aaron Rodgers is the first quarterback he had,

0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:09.520
<v Speaker 1>y'all just throwing bean out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>You talking about offense.

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<v Speaker 1>That was ranked four, three, three and seven, okay. And

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<v Speaker 1>in that time we made an AFC Championship game, and

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<v Speaker 1>we lost two times in the first round.

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<v Speaker 3>And didn't even make it one year to the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with that, as you said, you came in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a fifth ranked defense in twenty seventeen that

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<v Speaker 1>lost in the first round.

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<v Speaker 3>As you just said.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had a sixth defense in twenty eighteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're pairing that with a three and a four offense.

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<v Speaker 3>But got it.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't even make the playoffs. But again you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the great coaches of all time, right, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>bro great.

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<v Speaker 3>Not all time, that's what he's a great. He's a great,

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<v Speaker 3>great Hall of Fame coach for sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you don't see this as maybe a dismantlement.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no, no, no, no, no. Look, the coaches come in

0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the league like for the consistency is still something we

0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.800
<v Speaker 2>can't say, like he underput you. We could say he

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<v Speaker 2>underperformed in some of these years. It should have been

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<v Speaker 2>more super Bowls than not. He did go to the

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:24.399
<v Speaker 2>big game and win it. You say it was the

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.159
<v Speaker 2>other people's team. You still got to go out there

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<v Speaker 2>and coach.

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<v Speaker 1>You still be able to leave him the whole season everything,

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<v Speaker 1>keep them motivated.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep them going. So all that stuff is difficult.

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 2>It's difficult to do when you go with no years

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 2>of having Duck Hodges. Then when people start getting hurt

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just saying, no matter who's there, you coach,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you're saying. When he's getting more, if that's

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.640
<v Speaker 2>his right, he's getting more, we're gonna give him more reason, Okay, right,

0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 2>he's getting more with less.

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<v Speaker 3>We can say that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was times where they're like, oh, the Stills won't

0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:56.119
<v Speaker 1>make the playoffs and Stillers make the playoffs and get

0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.680
<v Speaker 1>popped out in the first round. He got more with less,

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<v Speaker 1>but he get way less with far more. A great coach,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that, Joe, great coach don't do that, Joe, Joe,

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you came from Cleveland knocking you and nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But you went from Cleveland to what you had to

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Tomlin.

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<v Speaker 1>I went from Bill Cower, Mike Tomlin to uh so,

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati with Lewis and then my last ended up coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Stillers and then finishing off with with Belichick.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, So what would you rank your coaches?

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<v Speaker 2>Where would you rank the order of Mike Tomlin with them,

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<v Speaker 2>with them, with those other coaches.

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<v Speaker 3>I would rank.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill oh well, hold on, I would rank Belichick, Coyle, Tomlin,

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<v Speaker 1>and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Lewis. Okay, that's where I would rank him. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's a good coach, Okay. A good coach finds

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<v Speaker 1>a way to motivate his player, to lead his players, okay, and.

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 3>He gets the potential out of his players. Okay.

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 1>But the only problem with motivation, because he's a great motivator,

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>is it doesn't last long. It's very inconsistent. Bro It's

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a filling based thing. Motivation is, and that's what we've

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 1>been seeing in Pittsburgh. It is emotional fillings based is

0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 1>inconsistent play coaching for the last decade could because our

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:35.679
<v Speaker 1>coach is a great motivator, not a great coach. Just

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>like what you're seeing right now with all these guys

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.720
<v Speaker 1>with these emotional attachments, you being one of the guys,

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:46.359
<v Speaker 1>included that the it's not performance based on the field,

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it is personal experience and relationship based. You came from

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>a situation where you didn't even know what a good

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 1>coach was to now you're seeing that's a great I

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 1>know what great coaches look like.

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:00.239
<v Speaker 3>I know what great coaches look, I know how mean,

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:02.159
<v Speaker 3>I know how they move, I know how they approach.

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I know what my measurement of greatness is.

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<v Speaker 2>A hall of fame coach in your opinion?

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<v Speaker 3>Say what it is?

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Coach to a Hall of fame coach in your opinion? No, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so now that's yeah, that that's actually crazy. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're we're we're just.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying I can't give him a Hall of Fame coach

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<v Speaker 1>for it's because he hasn't made disciples. You're telling me

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<v Speaker 1>you're a hall of fame coach that no one has

0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>followed you. Mind that that that can't be the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the only candid coach this loan and does not

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.320
<v Speaker 1>have a Tree Bros.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say no, no, no,

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna not give him

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the Hall of Fame nod because he's bad at hiring

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.480
<v Speaker 2>offensive offensive coordinators.

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<v Speaker 1>But I talked you think that is a thing that

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>he's bad at doing, or do you think that is

0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>a thing that he purposely does to keep position in power?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, No, I don't think he's self sabotages.

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't saying your self sabotage if you're hiring.

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 2>That, if you're hiring other coaches that aren't good enough,

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 2>because you're neither.

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Going to take the spotlight out of Aha? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>enough spotlight? Is it enough spotlight?

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 3>No? Is that what you were saying?

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Listen, listen, Joe, is it enough spotlight to go around?

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 1>You gotta realize a lot of coaches when they get

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>this head coach thing, it's a lot of ego that

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.639
<v Speaker 1>go with that. It's a lot of ego that go

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>with that. Okay, No, a great coach, dude, Like the

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>measurement of greatness like it's not based on personal experiences

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>and relationship you have with them. It is purely on

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>what you did as a coach. Did you get champions

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>what disciples? Yes, wins and losses is great and losses

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<v Speaker 1>have to add.

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<v Speaker 3>Up to championships. Brother, he has a ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm the greatest of all time as a

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<v Speaker 1>linebacker because.

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I got two Super Bowls. No, no, no, no, that's what

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. That's what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I don't like I don't he But why not?

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 2>He went to the playoffs thirteen times out of his

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seasons he went. He won the AFC championship seven times.

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 3>How many times did he win? One? He won?

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<v Speaker 2>We're not saying that he's the great.

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, no. How many playoff games did he win?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when you look at the greats, the measurement of

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>greatness for all time greats, like everybody is saying right now,

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 1>nobody has a negative postseason record. And I can go

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 1>back back, like you go back to George Hallis six

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and three, you go back to Don Shuler nineteen and seventeen.

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 1>It's still better than what he had. That like even

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Paul Brown ninety eight, Bill Belichick thirty one and thirteen,

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>bro Andy Reid twenty eight and seventeen.

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Like you want to hear what's Timelin's playoff record?

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:55.919
<v Speaker 2>We have?

0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 3>We have at least we have one, Bud, Gret, can

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 3>you tell me? Can you tell me what Thomas playoff record? No?

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, why now because what is it? What

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 3>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Eight and twelve?

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<v Speaker 3>Huh? What is it? Which is playoff record? You don't

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 3>know what.

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it.

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 3>What is it? But that's a measure. But hall of

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:17.439
<v Speaker 3>Fame he fough the Hall of Fame record, he met

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 3>playoff record debo. I don't know, Joe, I don't know.

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 3>You don't know either.

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>You said it was because of playoffs, But I'm just

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out. I mean, if you're gonna are

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you one number? I mean, look, he won a ship.

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>He hasn't had more losing seasons than winning season.

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna win.

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 3>It every year. One team is going to win twelve, bro,

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 3>he eight and twelve? Oh that's what I thought. It

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 3>was a twelve.

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:37.959
<v Speaker 2>One team's gonna win it.

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 3>So him being right into the dance, Like, why, okay,

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 3>so a Hall.

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Of Fame listen, Joe, So a Hall of Fame coach

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>should be making history for maybe having the longest losing

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:54.679
<v Speaker 1>streak and playoff history since it began. You're tied with UH,

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>with with with UH Marvin Lewis as the longest head

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 1>coach to NFL history.

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 3>You're tired.

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 1>That's the longest Logan Street seven games straight. That should

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>be that should be a. That's that's a great coach.

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a that's definitely not It doesn't. It's not a

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 2>good stat But you got to put the good with

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 2>the bad. You can't just take away all of the

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff we said before when he first got out there, you.

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.479
<v Speaker 3>Just said hall of fame was because which one is it? Joe,

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 3>He's a Hall of Fame coach because of what?

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Because that he's went because we went nineteen seasons with

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>zero losing records.

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't happen.

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 2>That's just not easy when you you just overshadow that,

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.639
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. Thirteen he did go to

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs thirteen times. He did go to the super

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Bowl two times he did were.

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've been his record is better than eight

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>because it was one hundred and ninety eight.

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 4>He's won one hundred and ninety two of a Pittsburgh Stiller.

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 4>He's one hundred and ninety two and one hundred and fourteen.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 4>So he's better than eight and eight. His overall record

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 4>is better than eight and eight, and he's won a

0:28:58.600 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 4>super Bowl.

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>So I under if you have time, it's his time. Well,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm still not saying it's not his time to go.

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Like his time is good.

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's not his time to go. I'm

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about great. Yes, what's his hall of same qualification?

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 3>For me? For you? I just was giving it to you.

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna keep you want me to keep saying the

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 2>same thing over and over again.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 3>You said playoff record, then you said, I said, he

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 3>went to the he's playing.

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 2>He was a coach nineteen years, right, thirteen playoff appearances,

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 2>seven AFC championships, two super Bowl appearances, one super Bowl victory.

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so anybody that wins the Super Bowl should be

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a great coach.

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Whoever keeps this long line longevity of consistency of winning,

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 2>keeping a team in the in the fight. You got

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 2>a dog, have a dog in the fight.

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.239
<v Speaker 1>So you gotta have nineteen years, and you gotta no, no, no,

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>no no, you don't have.

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>To have nineteen years. You don't have to have nineteen years.

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 2>He could have done better, he could have done more

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>than this. But that's why I'm still saying at the

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>same time, that's why he's not the greatest coach of

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 2>all time. But he's a damn sure great coach that

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>deserves to be in the Hall of That's all I'm saying.

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So again, for me, what I'm seeing, what it's

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>being said out here is the emotional attachments these guys

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.239
<v Speaker 1>have to Mike Tomlin, and for me, I didn't have

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>that emotional attachment with him.

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 3>I can't respect you the emotion I had.

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>If I had stopped playing maybe in two thy twelve,

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I might be one of those guys that was saying

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the same thing.

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know why devote because then we speak this too.

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a relationship thing you and Coach Tomlin have years

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>with each other that at the semi one time we

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>were falling, hooping everything. Then another relationship where you like

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>you felt like you was probably done dirty, did you wrong,

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 2>said some things, lied, you know what I'm saying. So

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>a whole different thing going on where you know what

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, How how can people? Then that's why you

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>can sit there and say that it's that that type

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 2>of way me too. At the same way, when I

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>wanted to redo my deal, we were talking, Oh yeah, Joe,

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna finish your career here, and then all of

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>a sudden it went crickets. I could feel some type

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>of way like coach.

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 3>See, it's totally different.

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>You're saying that, oh you thought you were going to

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>finish your career there, and see when what that gives

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>me is I have clarity because our relationship was business.

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>It was just that it was yeah, okay, So how

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to saying, go, Joe, I lied for you before I

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>lie to you.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>The number one thing that I was taught about my

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>parents is you never lied to me, because if you

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 1>lied to me, I can't help you, and then I

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 1>can't trust you.

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>The first time I know he lied to me was

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty ten, but that wasn't the biggest thing because I

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't have that relationship with him that I understood it

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>was no.

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 3>Obligation for him to tell me the truth.

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>But the big thing was the first time I know

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 1>he lied on me, and that was twenty thirteen. M

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And as much as he doesn't say or as much

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>as he says he doesn't listen to the outside noise.

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I found that to be a lie. In twenty eighteen.

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.479
<v Speaker 1>You want to know how I know Joe, how you

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>know Debo because he texts me he was into his

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>feelings though, because I said that.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Belichick was a better coach than him.

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>They asked me a question, and I asked, I was

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>on Fox then twenty eighteen.

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Brother, I'll never forget it.

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I was on the skipping Shannon and they asked me,

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and I, hey, gave I.

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Gave my opinion. Yeah it was, and why it was? Okay? Now?

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>He responded with something like wood Lee was a smarter

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>player than you.

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 3>Blah blah. You know what.

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't even want I want to give you this verbatim.

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 1>You know that I don't want to. I don't want to.

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know you mess words. I don't want to

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 1>mince words and and say and because it is very

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 1>betim matter of fact, like a sa say. It was

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen. I was doing commentating for Fox, and I

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>would go up there like maybe once or twice a

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>month and be there for like two three days and

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>go on all the shows. You know, do to commentation

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>and they'd ask me whatever, da da da da. So

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>now this text I get from him, Oh, look you're

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>there in twenty eighteen. Yeahat so the text I get

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>from him. Here's the crazy thing. It's almost three four

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 1>weeks after it was said. Okay, August seventh, two thy eighteen,

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>at one thirty five, Joe, what time do y'all go

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<v Speaker 1>to practice.

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 3>To?

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>He saw probably like two, like two two thirty something

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>like that. But this is what's on your mind. He's

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>watching me on TV. This has gotten to him somehow.

0:33:56.080 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Here is his text. He says Wood was a smart

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>player than you. But I would never say that to

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 1>anybody but you. I'm not with you for what you say.

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm always with you because of your relationship with the

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>game and what you were willing to do.

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Don't act funny.

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I will always be with you no matter how fucked

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 1>up you are.

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Lol.

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Now my response to him was, quote, if you wanted

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to tell the world that I would not be upset,

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 1>that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, just like

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm entitled to mine. No disrespect meant by it. It

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>was just my honest answer to a question that was asked.

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Good luck Thursday. I'll always be with you, no matter

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:52.760
<v Speaker 1>how fucked up you are. One hundred. Now you're telling

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 1>me someone who doesn't listen to the outside noise is

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>texting me that on a Tuesday before he's playing a

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Thursday a game.

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>If it's a Tuesday, look it could have been a

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>day off tuesdays.

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, no, no, no no. I made sure

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>I looked at it. I made sure I looked at it.

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a day off. Okay, it was a Thursday game.

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh practice. So again, my relationship with him, it is

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>totally different. I can separate, I can separate the great

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>coach from the great motivator and see it. Guys that

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:35.840
<v Speaker 1>are in that position now, they still have that emotional

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>attachment and that makes them overshadow when you start looking

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>at pure numbers, because coaching is something that is based

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>on numbers and development, and he does not have the ability,

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>because he does not have a coaching tree to actually

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>get coaches out and in through his toolage.

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 3>But that's a great coach.

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 2>I think, like, when, why don't you think he would

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 2>just hire? Do you think he's purposely not high?

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I just don't lets me know, you feel a

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>certain type of way.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 3>He this is.

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 1>This is the one thing I thought I said, I

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>might have said it to you. I said, the only

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>way Mike tim to get us out of here is

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>if he wants to leave. And it was one of

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.320
<v Speaker 1>two things. Okay, it was going to be his ego

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>or it was going to be.

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 3>His pride. It was going to be his or his pride.

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Why he why he left, why he would.

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Leave or stay? Okay, okay, his pride is the part

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 1>that would make him leave. He wouldn't be able to

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>take the outside noise. He doesn't listen to her, He says,

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't hear. His ego would make him stay because

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't care what they say. I'm staying. I'll leave

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>when I want to leave. And I think maybe the

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>pride spoke a little loud, deebo.

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I just say one thing, man, the fact that you

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 2>have you can speak on, like you said, the emotional part,

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 2>and people get really in their feelings and get them

0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 2>mostly attached to coach t because like you said, he

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 2>is a great speaker.

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 3>He is a great when they say leader of men.

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 2>But I cause, like when I can only know from

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 2>where I came from, And the one thing too I

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 2>can say is when I was in Florida. When I

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.959
<v Speaker 2>was at Florida when we didn't win national championships, Ervin

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Meyer was a special teams coach. We had a great

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator and Charlie Strong, we had a great offensive

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.959
<v Speaker 2>coordinator and a damn mullen. So he like put off

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 2>things to other people that made sure those dudes knew

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 2>exactly what was going on. And you gotta kind of

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>give off task and make sure you can't just be

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:11.919
<v Speaker 2>the only one running the whole kitchen, because it takes

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>it takes a village, you know what I'm saying. Your

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>GM got to be on your same page with you,

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Your coaches got to be on the same page. Your

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 2>owner ship has to be kind of following kind of

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody's got to be working together.

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 3>So I'm I'm with you on not being emotional.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 2>On my part is I don't know all the nuances

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 2>of what coach he really had the power to do,

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>what pool he had, what say so he had. So

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.319
<v Speaker 2>when I'm coming in, I'm knowing I'm gonna do my

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>job and if my coach gives me the tools to

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>make sure I can go out there and do what

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 2>I gotta.

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 3>Do to make sure we win.

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And if we don't win, we see why we didn't

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>and he gives us the facts and tools and the

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>keys the victory. And if we go do this, we're

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna go win these games every week.

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 2>I never went in there ill prepared, So I hear

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying too. With a great coach, if you're

0:38:58.880 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 2>really gonna do.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>It, And this is kind of bringing it to me

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.359
<v Speaker 1>where you grand coach, You gotta have the GM right,

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 1>You got to make sure your offense coordinated.

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 3>You got to be able to set people up and put.

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Them in positions to where now that that's kind of

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 2>how you build a tree. How Belichick and how these

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 2>dudes have dudes that are disciples of them because they

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of taught them, put them in positions and they

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of got it. That's That's the part of where

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm always understanding, great coach, is what are you telling

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:28.240
<v Speaker 2>me to do? Are you making sure I know exactly

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 2>what to do and when I need to do it

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>to go win? And then coaching me up to like

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 2>not just bad tape is bad tape. I and the

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 2>sky don't lie being accountable for everybody, like showing the stuff.

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I was with that so I can That part is

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 2>where I say great coach. On the other part is

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 2>where like there's a whole lot more where if you're

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.720
<v Speaker 2>not if you're in the GM, aren't on the same page.

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 2>If you're actually the one bringing in the talent, if

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you're bringing in these quarterbacks, signing these guys, drafting these people,

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>then the then the then the buck really does have

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 2>to stop on you if everything's not performing, if you're

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 2>not getting the best out the people that you hand selected.

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.560
<v Speaker 3>So I'm with you one thousand percent, debo.

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>You kind of giving me a lot of more knowledge

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 2>where like I as coaching leader of men, making sure

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I knew what I was doing.

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 3>Great coach as far as bringing in talent.

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Hey, that's what I'm trying to say, Joe. You're saying

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>great coach, leader of men, telling me what afact a

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:20.720
<v Speaker 1>good coach?

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.319
<v Speaker 3>To me, a great.

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Coach gets you beyond what your actual uh uh level

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>of play is. Like dick Lebaum. If it wasn't for

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 1>dick Lebone, there is no James Harrison. Dick Lebaux got

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 1>me to play beyond the potential of what James Harrison

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>was because he was an undrafted nobody that would be

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>nothing but a whole life special teams player. Go to that,

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and you go to Keith Butler, my linebacker coach, the

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>greatest linebacker coach I ever had. Okay, he is the

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.439
<v Speaker 1>person that developed me, turn me into what I am,

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>made me what I am, showed me how to do

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>this job, the nuances of doing it in and out,

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and I played it in Dick Lebo's defense. Okay, and

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>that was Taylor made for me, the same defense I

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 1>thought was so hard and difficult for.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Me to learn. Once I actually sat down, became.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>A truth professional, understood what I needed to do and

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:20.760
<v Speaker 1>learned it and put it on tape, it was easy

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>for me to go out there and play and excel

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 1>in it because those were two great people that were

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 1>in it. Yeah, I want to tie it on the Tomlin. Yes,

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I give him that. Good coach. Good coach. He did

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the things necessary to keep the people in place, because

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>that's what was there. It would be foolish to leave

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:40.399
<v Speaker 1>to let those people go.

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.319
<v Speaker 1>And also something when we were sitting there at the game,

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.439
<v Speaker 1>what the hamp say ninety five is a good player, right,

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 1>he said he's a good player. I looked it up,

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 1>BROI is a good player. Nine five is a good

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 1>player as much as I said he's not. But you

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 1>know why he's not a good player because they planned

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>him out a position. You're telling me, a great coach

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 1>takes an athlete like that that could be great and

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 1>puts him in a position to not excel.

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 3>What position we need to play him at though he

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 3>needs to be on the end. Okay, okay, he needs

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 3>to be on the end.

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>He's a rush in dude, all right, he actually got dude, like.

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:19.879
<v Speaker 3>Like, for real?

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Is it because he's too leads to It's just's quick,

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>but he's too light.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:24.280
<v Speaker 3>Dude.

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Here's here's a here's a funny thing. Before TJ moved

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to the left, PZ, what's the linebacker, coach? I said, PZ.

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I know, y'all ain't gonna do nothing with me and

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>let me play on the right. But move TJ to

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 1>the left. I would see every time in practice when

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>TJ got the practice rushing on the left, he had

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:40.879
<v Speaker 1>that move.

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Can't nobody stop. I'm like, just moving to the left,

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 3>like just moving to the left.

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>They thinking I want to, I want to, I want

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 1>to get in there and play that. I know you're

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 1>not gonna blame me already. No, I want to move

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 1>to TJ to left. Automatically he could get that. They

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>don't do it. TJ finally was like yo, and one

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of the off season, I want to move to the left,

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 1>move to the left.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:05.879
<v Speaker 3>Boom gone gone should have moved on to the left.

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 3>Quicker should have moved into the left.

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Quicker Quicker like, we're at a point right now where

0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 1>or we got to a point where when Coward was there,

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Coward drafted talent for the position that was needed to

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 1>get the job done at that position. I think around

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that thirteen fifteen time frame, coach Townlan got into drafting athletes, numbers, speed,

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:46.240
<v Speaker 1>all that, and not getting players that could do the

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>skill needed at the position, which in thirteen led to

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:56.399
<v Speaker 1>dick Lebo's defense dropping in thirteen and fourteen and then

0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>them not renewing him because now you have him at

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a I think it was A thirteen and thirteen and

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 1>eighteen in fourteen and now you can say, you know what,

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>his defense don't work? That was that was called his

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 1>defense don't work no more? It just don't work. It

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 1>don't work. That's not true. His defense works. It was

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>younger and younger players starting pick Lar Bose defense.

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 3>He don't start rookies.

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:31.360
<v Speaker 1>It's only been one rookie before twenty thirteen that started

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 1>in Addicularbo defense, and that was Ken dro Bell, And

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>we ran I don't even know if y'all ran this.

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>We ran Gap Mac. We ran Mac games, so we

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>ran Mac Mac game. So it was either Gap Mac, knife, sword, gun,

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.799
<v Speaker 1>switch whatever whatever it was.

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 3>So it was no.

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Telling that exactly exactly. You don't even know what I'm

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.439
<v Speaker 1>talking about. You got there seventeen. That's why you think

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>he's right and I'm wrong, and we have a difference opinion.

0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>That told the Mac backer to hit gaps A through

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 1>B I mean a through d over here or a

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 1>through d over here. Why because I don't want him

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 1>thinking I need to get him to where he knows

0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 1>where he's going. Because in that defense, you didn't play

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in the pure Diclobo fire zone defense. When I got

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 1>there and at fourteen, I was like, yo, why were

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 1>we changing this? When I unretired and came back, I'm like,

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:28.920
<v Speaker 1>some thing's gonna changed, and it's like Yo, we had

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to change some things so players didn't have to think

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>so much and they could be able to play.

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Now, now, when.

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>You do that in the Diculable defense and you take that.

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Away with that baumbing it down.

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're dumbing it down, and you take away two

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>or three other defenses that looked the same as that

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:51.919
<v Speaker 1>one defense, but it's doing something totally different. And that's

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.879
<v Speaker 1>why when rookie quarterbacks see a Diculable defense, a true

0:45:55.880 --> 0:46:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Diclabo defense, they are talking about their seeing ghosts. Why

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.320
<v Speaker 1>because you're looking at the same thing, the same lineup,

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the same look, and it's four different ways those people

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>can come. But now you have to take that one out,

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>so now it's no teeth to the other one because

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>you didn't get the player that needed to play the

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>position to do what was necessary. As an inside linebacker

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and our def you got to come downhill, bang a dude,

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and get off of me. As an outside linebacker, you

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 1>have to dominate the tight end. The tight ends never

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 1>block you one on one, and you have to be

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:33.760
<v Speaker 1>able to get out and coverage to a claral flat.

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 1>You have to be able to go seem Sometimes you

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 1>got to run down with the number two.

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:39.240
<v Speaker 3>All that got taken away.

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So you see what I'm saying, Like, no, you have

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 1>different parameter than you does, but fective in your perspective

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 1>or two different things.

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I feel you, I hear you, but I'm just

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:57.280
<v Speaker 2>telling you what I know from being the cornerback and.

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 3>Getting coached up.

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>It just I feel like if the dude, dude, if you,

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>if you, if you could have played in Dick Labo system,

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.439
<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you your numbers would have jumped by three.

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, the cornerback it was easy, though,

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.800
<v Speaker 2>d BO, I think I'm The thing is there's there's

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 2>there's nuances and stuff that we didn't get. But I

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think some people are just not smart enough to

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 2>get defenses. Sometimes some things are a little bit confusing.

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 2>I think I think my mind kind of works. But

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 2>but that's the big draw, Like it's easy.

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Even the offenses that are facing us saying, oh it's easy,

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 1>we know what they're gonna do. Why because you had

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to dumb it down so much because you're trying to

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>make guys play now, like you have to have some

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>complication to your defense. You have for sure we're playing chess,

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.680
<v Speaker 1>not checkers. Right, what you said, But guess what, we're

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 1>playing tic tac toe because everybody and they mom see

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>it and we're going to a game like TJ just said,

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 1>this past game. We we we felt good about the

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.399
<v Speaker 1>week we went in, everything was you know, it was good.

0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 3>We felt prepared. And what happened the offenship down their leg.

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>They're they're they're part of the preparation on the other.

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Side, right man, what so look so this this this

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. So what what what? What are you expecting?

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:19.800
<v Speaker 2>What are you expecting to happen?

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:25.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm I'm expecting a great head coach to put

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 1>people in position to get coaches that can Actually, how

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>many coaches did you learn anything from at the stillers

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 1>when you were there in your tenure?

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Who gave you, Who.

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Gave you nuggets that made you a better player, Who

0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>gave you who increased your knowledge? Who increased your capabilities?

0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Coach Blake? Okay, coach Lake? Where's coach Lake? He was hired,

0:48:57.480 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 2>He went to go see his son play out and

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 2>in l A. You know what happened after that?

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:04.400
<v Speaker 3>No, then it got yeah, then it was then it

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 3>was scrap he wasn't. He did not. He didn't help

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 3>too much. Who was my third one? You can't remember,

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 3>that's the problem.

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>No, it was good, man, My third one was good.

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 2>We had a good d B coach telling you was

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 2>just yeah man, yeah, but it was I promise you,

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I promise you going.

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 3>But I only had one bad d B coach there,

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 3>so good equates to a great coach hiring.

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 1>No, but I already you want to sat with a

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:37.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of great.

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I already told you what I believe.

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I do believe he will get into the hall just

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:42.800
<v Speaker 1>because of the number.

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Do I believe he should be in there? Wow? This

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 3>coach is? That happened so the same.

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Reasons I don't believe I should be in there. My

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:55.040
<v Speaker 1>numbers aren't what they are. I said it multiple times.

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I've said that so many times. It's ridiculous. Even though

0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>we played in the defense where we drive damn near

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of the time, and anytime you got a

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.120
<v Speaker 1>pass rush, it may not be a pure rush.

0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 3>It could be a run.

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 1>So you may get maybe eight to ten pure pass

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 1>rushes in the game if you're lucky. And that wasn't

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 1>That was if coach Laboul decided that a.

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:16.840
<v Speaker 3>We're not going to rush our outside guys.

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 1>We need you guys to head up the tight end

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and just whip his ass to gap him and dominating

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 1>the run game, and we'll pick everything else up with

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the corners coming in.

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.279
<v Speaker 3>No, you're gonna get in there though. You're gonna get

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 3>in that bit, de bo, that's for sure. I respectfully listen.

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't you don't understand.

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 1>You understand I don't care I'm get in. I ain't

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 1>even the only thing making my daddy proud, bro, and

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I did that, don't I don't think they understand you

0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 1>right now? Think about this. Think about this. Ab ab

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 1>should be.

0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 3>First Battle of Hall of Fame.

0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:52.919
<v Speaker 2>A thousand per a thousand.

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Get first Battle of Hall of Fame.

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:57.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay, they get their chance to make that, to make

0:50:57.880 --> 0:50:59.239
<v Speaker 1>that thing to where they can do.

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Whatever they want to do. It is not didn't go first,

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:03.400
<v Speaker 3>stylid numbers based.

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 1>And that is why I'm telling you Toman will get

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:09.280
<v Speaker 1>in because I don't think he should get in because

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>guys are saying the things.

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 2>He's going to get in for show. Yes, you're gonna

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 2>get in for show. I can hear what you're saying.

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 1>You just like it sist to leave or not, it's

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:21.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna be the same thing.

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Mm hm, no question. He's gonna be able to do

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:28.440
<v Speaker 2>what he wants though.

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, what's up, hardball Giants? The Browns ain't getting there?

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Man, it's all It's all good, Joe, it's all good, Hey, Joe, Yeah,

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 2>it's all good.

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Who who you?

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Who you?

0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:54.279
<v Speaker 3>Who you hope? Who you're hoping for now? Joe? Man? Bruh?

0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:54.919
<v Speaker 3>After that?

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 2>After that, that one flustered me because I put all

0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.399
<v Speaker 2>my eggs in one basket. I ain't even gonna lie

0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to so uh yeah, right now, I'm just waiting to

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 2>see what they were. Mister Haslam, well he's looking to

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 2>come up with him and mister Barry. See what they

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:13.320
<v Speaker 2>looking for. So, you know, I'm just here, I'm just waiting.

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just waiting. I'm just hoping and praying. I'm hoping

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:19.000
<v Speaker 2>something good happens. I'm gonna let them. I'm gonna let

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:20.640
<v Speaker 2>them do it because you know what, No, let's because

0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 2>what the because look we heard about that. What the

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:25.760
<v Speaker 2>what the stealer's gonna do though with the coach, because

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 2>like you said, you want a great coach. You want

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:32.799
<v Speaker 2>a great coach obviously, and y'all ain't been doing it

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:37.680
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, only had three How much how

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 2>much wiggle room a y'all, how much wiggle room are

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:40.399
<v Speaker 2>you giving the coach?

0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm one hundred percent ready, and no, we're gonna be

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>in the basement. If we're trying to rebuild this, and

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I think we need to rebuild this, I don't know

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:51.880
<v Speaker 1>if Steller fans can handle that.

0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:53.879
<v Speaker 3>That's what I want to say. That's what I don't care.

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 1>If I'm the if I'm the person making the decision,

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. This is what's going to have to happen,

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>just like it happened over there with the Patriots. Look

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>where they're at right now. Look where they're at right now.

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 1>You've got to go to the basement to get back

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:10.399
<v Speaker 1>up unless you go give up everything that you have

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to find a quarterback that is out there right now

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and get him. We're going to be in the basement,

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and this draft is not it. I don't know if

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the next draft is it. We're going to be in

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the basement to be able. We're going to have to

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 1>be in the basement to be able. To draft a

0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 1>draft a quarterback can be a franchise quarterback. Okay, we're

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be in a we're going to I understand that,

0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to have to draft far better than

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 1>we have been doing the last ten to fifteen years. Yep,

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for them. I'm I'm ready to accept. As

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 1>long as we get a person that can get that done,

0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to accept. I'm willing to accept.

0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Because basement, Because this is what I'm saying, your coach,

0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 2>when I'm telling you being in the basement, do we

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:09.080
<v Speaker 2>need to see something? Because the Steelers, they ain't had

0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 2>to really be dealing with another different head coaches. So

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, how long are you giving him to look

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:16.400
<v Speaker 2>terrible in the basement, because we're gonna have Will Howard.

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:19.359
<v Speaker 2>We're still gonna obviously try to play and see what's up.

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>So you mean so you're telling me, so you're telling

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>me that we could take Will Howard and put him

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 1>in there.

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Let's let's stop all save this team.

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 1>That that is a great decision that Mike getting Aaron Rodgers.

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I will say that I don't know without him, what

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about?

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:41.759
<v Speaker 3>It been looking no, for sure, it would have been his.

0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 1>First losing season ever if Aaron Rodgers wasn't there. Look

0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:46.879
<v Speaker 1>at the games he won, Look how he want them,

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Look how our defense played in him, and look how

0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 1>we had to win them. You're telling me that this

0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.680
<v Speaker 1>still would be a ten to seven team with Aaron

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Rodgers not there.

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.319
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'm not saying that.

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that we obviously are going to go need

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 2>to get a quarterback. If will is going to be

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the one that's going to be playing, we need to get.

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.240
<v Speaker 3>A vet obviously or we lose, lose.

0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:13.400
<v Speaker 2>We're going to get hopefully a high pick where we

0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:15.880
<v Speaker 2>get Caleb Williams like the Bears did, or Drake may

0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 2>for number three. You know what I'm saying, Like like

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots this so you're obviously going to.

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Have to lose.

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 2>But I'm saying with the coach wise giving them a

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.280
<v Speaker 2>little bit of leeway because I'm.

0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Giving you leeway. I ain't find I ain't signing up to

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:28.839
<v Speaker 1>a five year deal.

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm loving the way that I'm loving though.

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:33.839
<v Speaker 2>I think Robert Craft, I mean Robert Kraft, the way

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 2>that he did it with New England. He put Mayo

0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>in there for a year, fired him, and then we're

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:42.000
<v Speaker 2>still able to get what's my man right now? That's

0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 2>that the Patriots, the one that we that I wish

0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 2>we could get. But he's not going nowhere. Oh no,

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.759
<v Speaker 2>he ain't leaving because from Tennessee. Yes, yes, yes, so

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 2>we got to get we got to get a great coach.

0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Bruh that you saying that's going to be able to

0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:00.880
<v Speaker 2>bring offensive and defensive coordinators because it's still definitely.

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:01.360
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not listening.

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he has to be a great coach

0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 1>right now, but I need to have the potential of

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>being able to grow into that. You've seen something in

0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 1>him from year whatever it is to year whatever.

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 3>And he can grow.

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 1>On top of that, I want to know that he

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.799
<v Speaker 1>can put a staff in place. I want to know

0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 1>that he's not going to be somebody that feels like

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>he can't put somebody at X y Z because it

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.320
<v Speaker 1>may take attention.

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:28.799
<v Speaker 3>Away from him.

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:30.960
<v Speaker 2>So let me tell you this, all right, let me go,

0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.800
<v Speaker 2>This is a question I really wanted to know. Since

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.640
<v Speaker 2>you talking about we're gonna have to be trash for

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and everything, are we still saying with

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.919
<v Speaker 2>these same players, are you trying to Are you trying

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:43.880
<v Speaker 2>to dump? Are you trying to get rid of contracts?

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to look and see what's going on?

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:49.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm dumping for sure. Okay, I'm gonna have to because

0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 3>that's what you're gonna have to do. If we're talking

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 3>about I.

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Have to with this bread out there and it's young,

0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:56.399
<v Speaker 2>you can try to really go reset are If you're

0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:56.880
<v Speaker 2>really trying and.

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Refigure it out, that's then I got it. I got Okay,

0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:01.280
<v Speaker 3>that's just the same.

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hate to say it, but I'm getting

0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:05.440
<v Speaker 1>rid of older, expensive talent.

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you have to.

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I gotta start younger. I got I gotta start younger

0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 1>because I need to be able. I need to be

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 1>able to grow with this. I gotta teach him. I

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:17.160
<v Speaker 1>gotta bring him in and and to be honest, I

0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>don't just as you know, I don't want to deal

0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 1>with the past, you know, of whatever they may expect

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:29.200
<v Speaker 1>from me because of what their dealings were with Tom.

0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 3>So I'm cleaning. I'm cleaning house. I have to. I'm sorry,

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:35.800
<v Speaker 3>but I have to start off fresh.

0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>And I look at look at Rabel, dude, he let

0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>go and signed so many people. I think it was

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 1>like twenty something dudes in his first week to there.

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Before that, he went and got the coaches. He got

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 3>the coaches.

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I need the coaches that I need like he put together,

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:54.400
<v Speaker 1>he get, he get an all.

0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Star coaching style. He got. He got that together, And

0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 3>I need guys to be there that when the.

0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Player see him or or or hear their name or

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 1>or whatever that may be, it's automatic buying. My My

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:10.920
<v Speaker 1>DV coach is Joe Hayden. Come on, brying right, Yes, okay,

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm coaching. I'm coaching them up. I got I got,

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:17.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I got My DV coach is blah blah

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 1>blah that I brought up from the scouting department and

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 1>now he's my DV coach.

0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Huh no kind of but no, no credibility none.

0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 1>So now when he tells you like you you can't

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>even relate the game to me, like it's something that's

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:32.400
<v Speaker 1>not going on, that's not being translated.

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:34.840
<v Speaker 3>When I'm seeing every corner, every dB.

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Except for a few, when they get beat, first thing

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 1>they do is look back.

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Ain't nobody grabbed like stop. That's when d We're gonna

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:44.880
<v Speaker 2>have that. That's what we gotta y. Literally, it's eyes.

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 2>It's straight eyes in the metingrom. We're doing it the

0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:47.760
<v Speaker 2>whole time.

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 3>And if you're doing that in practice, you're not going

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 3>to get in the game.

0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 2>No, that's what you're gonna do.

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna do if you practice doing that. Kid, stop

0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.080
<v Speaker 3>looking back crazy. I'm having dudes boxing gloves.

0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm treating them like kid until you get that credibility.

0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Way. Okay, you showing me you know how to play? Okay,

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:05.280
<v Speaker 3>I might give you a.

0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Little everybody coward did, dude, everybody think coward.

0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 3>You earned what everything was.

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Ye you were if you was a first rounder or round,

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 1>you earned everything. And that's when it came time around that.

0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Like I said that thirteen fourteen timeframe, bruh, guys were

0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:27.600
<v Speaker 1>giving it. Hey, you my first rounder. You you're my

0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.920
<v Speaker 1>first rounder. Here here, guys, go ahead, get out there.

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:32.840
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna fix whatever it is we need to adjust

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.439
<v Speaker 1>so you can play.

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:36.760
<v Speaker 2>See, I ain't gonna lie to you coming out of

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.080
<v Speaker 2>that Belichick. I had Eric man Jinny and I was

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.560
<v Speaker 2>a first round pick and he did not give me nothing.

0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't start until game week six. I was special

0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 2>teams four phase guy, working my ass learning and then

0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>on me find it showing I'm like this, I'm going

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 2>to show you I deserve it. I get in that

0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:54.680
<v Speaker 2>thing after the sixth game of the season, I never

0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.640
<v Speaker 2>come back out. But you gotta just you're not just Joe.

0:59:57.680 --> 0:59:58.439
<v Speaker 2>You're Joe Hayden.

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.760
<v Speaker 3>First round pick. Here, you go about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't care about none of that because unless you

1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Sheldon Brown, Eric Wright.

1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.280
<v Speaker 1>No, that's college. There's like, that's college. You did that

1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:10.280
<v Speaker 1>in college. Somebody here, you gotta show me some here.

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<v Speaker 1>M H'm not about to just hand this to you.

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<v Speaker 1>They talking about the head coaching job for Pittsburgh. They

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:19.160
<v Speaker 1>got a rank that's the third. They got Ravens one

1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Falcons too. You agree with that? Man? You think Baltimore

1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:24.320
<v Speaker 1>in uh Atlanta is more desirable than Pittsburgh.

1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think only Baltimore. Maybe only Baltimore right now,

1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:28.760
<v Speaker 2>just because they got Lamar, just because they.

1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Got real, real disrespectful right now. But brother, the brother, brother, brother, brother.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, I mean, look, we don't got no

1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.280
<v Speaker 2>coach either, So I mean trying.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it is for the head coaching job. When

1:00:43.480 --> 1:00:45.240
<v Speaker 1>you want to be able to come in there and

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:46.840
<v Speaker 1>say I can't bring coach.

1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:48.120
<v Speaker 3>I could pick my quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>I could do what I want to and I'm not

1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:52.680
<v Speaker 1>stuck saying that I need to have. You got to

1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:56.560
<v Speaker 1>keep the OC because that is a defense all right,

1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.880
<v Speaker 1>offense that is ran totally different than what the regular

1:01:00.640 --> 1:01:05.360
<v Speaker 1>offenses are ran in the NFL, because you will have

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback that is a running back in a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're you're cutting your You're cutting yourself down.

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<v Speaker 1>To have to pick a backup that is that is

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<v Speaker 1>something him or exactly like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm look, I'm look me. I'm not turning down.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Lamar is still Lamar Jackson. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>understand with it, and if that's your type of offense,

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<v Speaker 2>that you know what I'm saying. You are the type

1:01:25.160 --> 1:01:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of offense that runs that. You are the type of

1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:28.800
<v Speaker 2>head coach that likes the r p o s that

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<v Speaker 2>likes to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're a big defensive guy too. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>that could be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fit where that coach could be like, hey, I do

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<v Speaker 2>have Lamar Jackson, but at the same time, I'm with

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<v Speaker 2>you to at Pittsburgh where I can pick whatever quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>I do want. We don't really have one there, Like

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<v Speaker 2>go talk to what what leadership role, What what?

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<v Speaker 3>What ability do I have to bring in whoever I want?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I'm going, I'm I'm still I'm still. I'm

1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:54.400
<v Speaker 1>still thinking. It's still the job is not you're going

1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:56.720
<v Speaker 1>agree with that. I'm going to still the first I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta I gotta put in my I gotta put in

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<v Speaker 1>my my requests for interview and all that. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I do, you know, when I do that and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you know how to how to process. Go please,

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<v Speaker 1>I like I said, listen, I'm I'm going I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to make I'm going to make my job so easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to hire the coldest position coaches and coordinators around.

1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:23.240
<v Speaker 3>I want to make my job as easy as possible

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<v Speaker 3>as a head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not care who gets the credit because at

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<v Speaker 1>the end, I'm going to get the credit because I

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<v Speaker 1>hired them and put it in a show. Okay, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't listen. I do not want teachers. I want

1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:43.200
<v Speaker 1>professors of the game. You understand what I'm saying that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm not promoting from within. That's gonna look

1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:51.280
<v Speaker 1>No unless you done showed me something, I'm gonna go

1:02:51.360 --> 1:02:54.640
<v Speaker 1>pluck somebody from I'm going to pluck them out of

1:02:54.680 --> 1:02:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>You come on over here, you come thank you, come

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<v Speaker 3>on over here, dou Hey, what you know about a college?

1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:04.360
<v Speaker 3>What do you think about a college? What about that

1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:05.320
<v Speaker 3>college football coach?

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<v Speaker 1>Bro?

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm talking about Indiana too nice too.

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<v Speaker 1>He from PA and he from p A Hey, but

1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:15.320
<v Speaker 1>you got to be able to get him to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>He already said he ain't leaving, and that meant it

1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:18.919
<v Speaker 1>sounded like he a man of his word right now.

1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:20.520
<v Speaker 1>And you know what I'm saying, sound like a person

1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that it has a conviction if look, you know, he

1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:27.760
<v Speaker 1>makes his players, hold his players accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you one thing, and that's what I'm talking about.

1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:32.720
<v Speaker 2>He's over He looked like he's no, he's not boy.

1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:36.000
<v Speaker 3>I like him. Hey, listen, we gonna give it a shot.

1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:37.720
<v Speaker 1>This could be a This could be one of those

1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:40.560
<v Speaker 1>chances where we go ahead, talk to him. Get hey,

1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:43.040
<v Speaker 1>do what you gotta do to get him to at

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<v Speaker 1>least come on through, do an interview. You listen, you

1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:50.480
<v Speaker 1>could be here next twenty five thirty year coach here.

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<v Speaker 1>I like what he's doing over there in Indiana.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I love what he's doing over there.

1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I like what he's doing over there, like, hey, he

1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:01.120
<v Speaker 1>he came from the basement too. People make everybody enter.

1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:03.520
<v Speaker 1>That's why he make them earning. Yep, that's why he

1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:06.280
<v Speaker 1>make them earning. Look here, man, we got a playoff

1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:09.600
<v Speaker 1>game two. We got the Bears over there with the Rams,

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff game, Bro.

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<v Speaker 3>Game History, Joe. Hey, we got a video.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at the Blizzard conditions right now, Michigan. Baby, See

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm telling you. I'm I'm I'm the lean.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, hey boy.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, Matthew Stafford hurt his little finger, too cool. His

1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:37.240
<v Speaker 5>thing is gonna be tingling, Bro. They are not They

1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:40.400
<v Speaker 5>are not looking good in cold weather.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about what they say zero the negative ten wind.

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<v Speaker 3>Chill something like that. Let me chell you many mile

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<v Speaker 3>an hour, gus.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said the Rams, I ain't playing a game

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<v Speaker 1>below fifty off season one in eight fifty completion for Stafford,

1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the eight record, fourteen touchdowns, eleven interceptions.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother, dang, yeah, man, that's why I look. And it's colder.

1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:13.880
<v Speaker 2>It looks freezing out there. And my man hit his

1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:15.880
<v Speaker 2>his a pointer finger off his throwing hand.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be that might help him because this is

1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:23.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna be nominant. Man, deebo, I'm not I'm not rocking

1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:23.920
<v Speaker 3>with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the coldest weather game you ever played?

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<v Speaker 1>It?

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<v Speaker 3>I know what mine is. I think it was against y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. I know I played in Cleveland, like negative three.

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<v Speaker 3>Bruh. It was the game. I want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like two thousand and eight or something in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like wind hell snow is.

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<v Speaker 1>Freezing off the lake, Bro, and everybody out there they

1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:45.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about, Man, it's so cold. Man. It's cold as

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<v Speaker 1>this is that man, And I'm like, man, y'all shut

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<v Speaker 1>up in except around here.

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<v Speaker 3>I been here, I live here.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro.

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<v Speaker 3>This ain't nothing. Man. BRO. When I say I stepped

1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:57.040
<v Speaker 3>out that tunnel.

1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:01.760
<v Speaker 1>And the tea, it felt like real life needles, yes,

1:06:02.120 --> 1:06:03.160
<v Speaker 1>sticking through my arm.

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<v Speaker 3>Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a you get fined thousand dollars. You were

1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:13.640
<v Speaker 1>sleeve run. If it wasn't for me talking so reckless

1:06:13.640 --> 1:06:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and crazy, I almost turned around immediately and went back

1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:20.200
<v Speaker 1>into the locker room.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure you had none of you couldn't. You didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't all that. I couldn't, bruh. That is the

1:06:26.200 --> 1:06:28.480
<v Speaker 3>only game we lost. We lost.

1:06:28.480 --> 1:06:34.640
<v Speaker 1>You lost, and I did not give a fiddle faddle.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get off that field because even a halftime. Bro,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how you get in there at halftime and

1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:44.080
<v Speaker 1>when you're hot, you feel the heat coming off your body.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the ice rising. I felt cold like I

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<v Speaker 1>was in a freezer from the cold and it's rising

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<v Speaker 1>off my body.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that. That's that weather. It's no joke. I don't

1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I can't stand the cold. So we just be out there,

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<v Speaker 2>but you better get it three and out so I

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<v Speaker 2>can get over to that heated bench.

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<v Speaker 3>Please listen, bro, we was going over there on timeouts.

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<v Speaker 3>You no, for sure, thirty second timeouts, Joe. I ain't

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<v Speaker 3>never did that day in my life. Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting, Bro, I'm looking at debo. I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>that the whole time, waiting for the looking at the reft,

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to blow the whistle.

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<v Speaker 1>So as you come out there, Hey, we got TV

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<v Speaker 1>or not? We got t ain't about to leave? We

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<v Speaker 1>got TV or not? We're rolling or we got this

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<v Speaker 1>or that man on.

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<v Speaker 2>The field with the gloves or not.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to feel with the gloves. I'm on the sideline.

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Morris gloves right there, Joe, Yes, man, we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get to this man. It's twelve ten, man, Oh you

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<v Speaker 1>know what time it is. Play a fad, all right, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how it works. You play it or you faded?

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I got Josh Allen over here, buff more on Russian.

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<v Speaker 1>I already know that he go do what he gotta do.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes scramble, get loose on that thing he got,

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<v Speaker 1>got purty, he go he go throw a pick.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just what he do.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>He had gunslinger, he you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And on top of that, like last week when the

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<v Speaker 1>tight end didn't relate and come down on that route. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he gonna have some issues where you know

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<v Speaker 1>where that may happen.

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<v Speaker 3>C J. I'm gonna say he gonna have more on rushing.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I say he's gonna have Russian is I

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<v Speaker 1>believe they probably told him you cannot turn the ball

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<v Speaker 1>over if you don't do anything else. Take off off,

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<v Speaker 1>do not do not. Do not turn the ball over.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if you get sack. Do not throw

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<v Speaker 1>the ball into a ill avised situation.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the only way that they're going to have.

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<v Speaker 1>A chance to be able to beat New England in

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<v Speaker 1>New England now and the other one.

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<v Speaker 3>We just talked about that. Oh that is obvious. Less,

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<v Speaker 3>that's less. Let's what you go do, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna play this. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>play this, and I'm gonna just be watching because once

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<v Speaker 2>the first once my man if c j strout, my.

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<v Speaker 3>Good man gets over ten and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>This joint is good as were good as one good

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<v Speaker 2>a watching this strout after that man's were getting the bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, your boy, Joe, go play with your boy. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>put out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's make sure your guys download that after day and

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<v Speaker 1>use their code debout Joe, Yes in lineups, after you

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<v Speaker 1>play your first five dollar lineup. All right, look here

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<v Speaker 1>we got some super chats. We got Kenneth Pile twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine. He donated five dollars. He said, I say

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<v Speaker 1>they need to hire d boys head coach.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think of that? Joe? I agree wholeheartedly,

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<v Speaker 3>because yes, gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna yeah, because you want a job, right, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what you don't I know I would like the

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<v Speaker 2>cornerback position.

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<v Speaker 3>I got you know, you in there and you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm a.

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<v Speaker 2>Coaching boys all the way up, folks show we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be out there getting all the picks, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're gonna hire an offensive mine that we need

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure an offense is ran a proper way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, what we got here? What does that?

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<v Speaker 3>Because the Ruins don't what let me see if it's

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<v Speaker 3>on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Stelson fourteen donated ten dollars said Tomman got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the Great Coach Conversation because the rumors

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<v Speaker 1>don't fire coaches any other owner and he'd been gone

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think of that, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, I think after they won it in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight, went back to the super Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty ten, I think the Steelers just the fans

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<v Speaker 2>you get, you get kinda you want to be, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to win every single year.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can say twenty twenty, he's I think it's I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's right about time. Could have been two years,

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<v Speaker 2>could have been last year, maybe the year before, but

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<v Speaker 2>right now I think it's a grateful time for him

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<v Speaker 2>to gracefully ballow out like it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he did he did it long enough at

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<v Speaker 2>a great pace where it's not great base but just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you were making the playoffs, you were doing good,

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<v Speaker 2>you won a Super Bowl, brought you back to another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Since twenty ten, so it's been a minute. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think it right now is the time that it's time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I personally I don't know about twenty but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it should have been done.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it should have been a little a little sooner.

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<v Speaker 1>We got diamond for underscore. One donated five dollars. Said,

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<v Speaker 1>I like Brian Florash for head coach. Nate what is

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<v Speaker 1>that Silhouse for oc raheem Moors for DC her Dad

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<v Speaker 1>tremblest or Taylor Green for to complete, to complete, to

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<v Speaker 1>compete with Will for quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like, I like, I like, I like

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<v Speaker 1>floor Ass, but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Like him as a as a coordinator, as d C. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I like him as a d C. I'm with you,

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<v Speaker 3>Uh you know that as the head coach? Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 3>are you thinking, Nate? That's the o C. Nate?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, where's Nate at shell House?

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<v Speaker 3>It's sill.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like shoe but it's it's too so it's

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<v Speaker 1>shell has Where is he out of us?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's why I was asking where. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know where. No house is either.

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<v Speaker 2>Rams Okay, okay, okay, Hey, that's look for offensive coordina.

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<v Speaker 2>I want if you learn from m Let's see what McVeigh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know that that that that

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't give me that instant, But it.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't give you that instant. That's what we need.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need I need I need that

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<v Speaker 1>instant as soon as I hear the name, as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as I think like, I need that, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we got Mike, and Mike donated Mike and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike dashed one hundred donated ten bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, what's up, d one Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the next Steeler coach last as long as Timlin did?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do they have to step down a few seasons

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<v Speaker 1>if they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a ring.

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<v Speaker 1>After a few seasons, Or do they have to step

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<v Speaker 1>down after a few seasons if they can't get a ring?

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<v Speaker 1>Hell no, listen, I'm trying to tell y'all the next

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<v Speaker 1>coach with me. I'm giving me five years, give me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving me time to build up for the first

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<v Speaker 1>three and then after that I got to see grave improvements. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I got it, that's what I'm gonna do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm rocking with that. But and this is what you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to see like a legitimate change, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, the legitimate Like I need to see

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<v Speaker 2>the culture change.

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<v Speaker 3>And like if I like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way that when the Patriots they ended up getting rid

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<v Speaker 2>of Belichick and then my man, what's my man name,

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Mayo, he went out there for a year and

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<v Speaker 2>they went four and thirteen, and he's like they had

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<v Speaker 2>Bell Belichick for twenty years and he quickly was able

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<v Speaker 2>to fire Mayo because it just wasn't what he was

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<v Speaker 2>with and now able to hire the coach they have now, Rabel.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, I think the Steelers are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to do a really good job of really like

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<v Speaker 2>this the guy that you're gonna be with, because they

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<v Speaker 2>don't really having to pick the guy too many times,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's hard to be able to find that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, you gotta realize it ain't nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's nobody in that workmization right now

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<v Speaker 1>that actually went through the process of finally, uh, coach

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<v Speaker 1>t or that was truly.

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<v Speaker 3>Involved in it. So that's the point where it's like

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<v Speaker 3>coaches aren't easy.

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<v Speaker 2>When you find the man that you really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>believe in, you gotta gotta stick to us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm respect I don't, I don't know you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's a problem that that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like coaches have, especially with their higher drave choices.

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<v Speaker 1>They stick with him until it's too late, and they

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<v Speaker 1>stick with him too long, so they'll just hold on

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<v Speaker 1>to him, knowing that after year or two that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what they want or need, but instead of letting go,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll hold on to him to.

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<v Speaker 2>The being like, look, they got to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>say I messed up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of guys, A lot of guys won't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean some some some some guys. Do you see

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<v Speaker 1>guys getting up out of there, you see a first

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<v Speaker 1>round or that you know, year after year or two

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<v Speaker 1>he done went to two three other teams and you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, but you gotta be willing and ready

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<v Speaker 1>to do that in the mid fault and when that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we had that. I know ain't had that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we held on to guys for for longer

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<v Speaker 1>than we we should have. And we know that because

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't re sign up to long term deals. We

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<v Speaker 1>just held on to them because it was there, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so on and so forth. So South still

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<v Speaker 1>has thirty six donated two bucks. Said Deebo, are you

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<v Speaker 1>serious about d C? No, I am not serious about

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<v Speaker 1>d C. He said, you got my vote. I'm serious

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<v Speaker 1>about head coach. I ain't coming in there. I ain't

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<v Speaker 1>coming in there on no bottom, I ain't coming in

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<v Speaker 1>on the side.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't. I can't be on the side. Gotta be

1:16:29.320 --> 1:16:30.960
<v Speaker 3>on I gotta. I gotta be on top because I got.

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<v Speaker 1>To put the people in place to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>everything flows smoothly.

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<v Speaker 3>Your staff, it's gonna be automatic.

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<v Speaker 1>Your staff has to be sitting there and buying into

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<v Speaker 1>what it is you're doing and everybody else is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to be speaking the same language. Got to

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<v Speaker 1>saying the same thing. Nobody can be saying something different.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it was times where it was coaches where

1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:57.080
<v Speaker 1>they were saying two different things about the same play.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can now, that's as a thing as us recipe fulfilm.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it this way or I think you should

1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:08.360
<v Speaker 1>do it that way. It's the I think you should

1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:10.559
<v Speaker 1>do it this way ones that kill me because you

1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:12.599
<v Speaker 1>ain't played the game. How you gonna tell me how

1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to do it? You ain't even never went out here

1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and did it. That's why I need a coach that

1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:20.200
<v Speaker 1>played the position that I played and did it successfully.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, I think you should do

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<v Speaker 1>it this way is crazy, Like I dude, I just don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't want to. I don't understand that. Dude. Right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>d we had twenty coach. Yeah, let's get up out it. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to thank you guys for joining us on

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<v Speaker 1>this episode the Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like,

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<v Speaker 3>Baby. Hey, Joe, Yes, got to say, Joe say.

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<v Speaker 2>I will see y'all on Monday on another episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Debo and Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we're about to watch these games this weekend. We're

1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:59.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be right back on this thing on Monday. Letting

1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:01.479
<v Speaker 1>y'all know how go y'all know how we break it down.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, y'all, Come, y'all, come, y'all,

1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:05.519
<v Speaker 1>come to here, y'all know you know what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what it is, Hey, and we are