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Speaker 2: How you're doing the day, Joe bro I'm doing I'm
Speaker 2: doing pretty good. Debo, I'm doing good. Another day the
Speaker 2: Lord has made. But honestly, with Coach T stepping off,
Speaker 2: you know, it was I was a little I was
Speaker 2: a little emotional. I'm happy if we're gonna get into it.
Speaker 2: I'm happy with how it happened and how he's able
Speaker 2: to walk away. But you know, I legitimately, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying that it hit me for a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I rock with Coach T big time.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, with with all the you know, all the
Speaker 1: stuff coming out. You know, he's the all time, He's
Speaker 1: one of the all time greats and all that.
Speaker 3: Do you do you agree with that? Do you disagree
Speaker 3: with that? This is?
Speaker 1: You know, hold up before you answer that, though, I
Speaker 1: also want to know what's your measurement for all time.
Speaker 3: That That's what I have to tell you too.
Speaker 2: When we have the conversation of all time grades, that's
Speaker 2: the same conversation I feel like I have when we
Speaker 2: talk about Hall of Fame, like is he in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame? There's different classes? Are we talking like
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan? You know what I'm saying, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James,
Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving is in that same Hall of Fame, But
Speaker 2: I feel like there might be a different class.
Speaker 3: So when we talk about the greatest coach.
Speaker 2: Of all time, I don't think Mike Tomlin might not
Speaker 2: go now it's the greatest coach of all time.
Speaker 3: No, there's plenty of coach.
Speaker 2: You can go with Bill Belichick, you can go with
Speaker 2: Chuck No, you can go with other coaches for sure
Speaker 2: that are in a different class that you could.
Speaker 3: Say that they have done it in a way higher level.
Speaker 2: But when we talk about greatness, when we talk about
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame status, I don't like to bash coach
Speaker 2: Tomlin and put another man down to raise another man up.
Speaker 2: So I would say, when you say greatest of all time,
Speaker 2: I don't think so, you know what I'm saying, hall
Speaker 2: of fame is why I say, yes, he's in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame for sure, Like there's a room for
Speaker 2: the Lebron James and the Michael Jordan's in the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame. But still Kyrie Irving is a Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame player and that's why I put it where like
Speaker 2: Bill Bellich check Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You can put greatness of other coaches that are better
Speaker 2: than him, that I've seen before, that have done it to.
Speaker 3: The greatest level.
Speaker 2: But when you say it's Goes Tomlin a great coach,
Speaker 2: I can say, yes, he's a great coach. Maybe not
Speaker 2: the greatest of all time. There's plenty of other coaches
Speaker 2: you can pick, but I can put him. I can
Speaker 2: put him in that class. I can put him in
Speaker 2: that room. So with me, I think he is a
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame coach. I think he's a great coach.
Speaker 2: He's one of the best coach. He's the best football
Speaker 2: NFL football coach that I've ever played for. So there's
Speaker 2: certain people that played for you played for other coaches,
Speaker 2: but for me personally, I played for Eric Mangini, I
Speaker 2: played for Pat Shermer, I played for Rob Chaczinski. I
Speaker 2: played for Mike Pedton, and I played for Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 2: And then when I went to the Steelers. I played
Speaker 2: for Mike Tomlin. Out of my NFL career, I played
Speaker 2: twelve years in the league. I would like to call
Speaker 2: myself a great NFL player, a dude that comes in
Speaker 2: there and does his job at a very high level.
Speaker 2: My best coach ever, by far, was Mike Tomlin. I
Speaker 2: never went into a game ill prepared. I felt like
Speaker 2: when I was there, he gave us the keys to victory.
Speaker 2: He let us know the winning edge. I never had
Speaker 2: a winning edge meeting with the head coach before, where
Speaker 2: you would go and meet with just the dbs and
Speaker 2: a couple of the outside linebackers and get the breakdown
Speaker 2: of while we're running these plays, while we're doing these
Speaker 2: certain schemes, and what to expect so for in my position,
Speaker 2: Coach Tomlin, great coach, great leader of men, great raw
Speaker 2: raw his team meetings, the way that he did that
Speaker 2: stuff nineteen years thirteen player for appearances, seven AFC championships
Speaker 2: and the Super Bowl and went to two that's nothing
Speaker 2: to shun on or shy about or take lightly. So
Speaker 2: I like the way that he was able to I
Speaker 2: think at the same time both two things could be right.
Speaker 2: I think his time was up in Pittsburgh for sure,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: he just hasn't been able to do it. So him
Speaker 2: being able to read the room not get kicked out
Speaker 2: of the room. You want to be desired and not
Speaker 2: be putting up with. So when you're in the stadiums
Speaker 2: and you start hearing the booze, coach Tomlin's not stupid.
Speaker 2: He's not blow or death when he's been hearing the
Speaker 2: rumblings for years of all these play all these eight
Speaker 2: hundred seasons aren't good enough for us.
Speaker 3: This isn't going to be good enough. So him to
Speaker 3: go in.
Speaker 2: There and keep it where TJ. Watt, I don't think
Speaker 2: Heigh Smith. I don't think dudes really knew that he
Speaker 2: was probably about to leave. But to go in there,
Speaker 2: keep it going, still make the playoffs, and then once
Speaker 2: the season was over and they didn't.
Speaker 3: He hasn't been doing as well as he should have
Speaker 3: been doing.
Speaker 2: He gracefully bowed out, told him like Rooney, I'm ready
Speaker 2: to step off. I'm ready to go, Like this isn't
Speaker 2: really what's going on for me. So I think it
Speaker 2: was his time to go. I loved the way he
Speaker 2: was an adult read the room, didn't have to either
Speaker 2: force his way to come back next year and do
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I think coach he liked to be
Speaker 2: in there. Loves win, love feeling wanted, likes when you
Speaker 2: come into in the stadium knowing their cheering.
Speaker 3: For you, to room for you.
Speaker 2: But the back end of the fans and hearing what
Speaker 2: was going on and seven straight years of them not
Speaker 2: winning any playoff games. That's real, live, that's happening on
Speaker 2: the football field. So him taking some accountability for that
Speaker 2: too is legit. But for me, I think he is
Speaker 2: a great coach. But there's levels to greatness, and I
Speaker 2: can say how other people could think. There's other great coaches.
Speaker 2: But in my eyes and from my perspective of knowing
Speaker 2: how to go into the games, what he gave me
Speaker 2: when I.
Speaker 3: Was there, I love that man. And yeah, so that's
Speaker 3: what it is with me.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're not saying the greatest to one of
Speaker 1: the greatest.
Speaker 3: To ever do it? Right? No?
Speaker 1: No, okay, all right, that's all right. I'm cool with
Speaker 1: you on that. Now, great, I can't.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say I can agree with you on that. Okay.
Speaker 1: The reason I can't agree with you on that is
Speaker 1: because I feel that just looking at what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: right now from guys saying, you know, you know, coach
Speaker 1: Tomlin is the greatest coach to ever do it, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest to ever do it. He's a leader
Speaker 1: of men, you know, blah blah blah, all all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I will agree with him. He is a leader of men.
Speaker 1: But to be a good coach, you have to be
Speaker 1: a leader of men. The guys have to respect you.
Speaker 1: They have to know that you're what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: That the decisions that you make, like you said, going
Speaker 1: into the game, it works, it pans out. You're able
Speaker 1: to do it. You got to buy into it, Okay.
Speaker 1: But the major reason I feel a lot of guys
Speaker 1: is saying he's a great coach is because Coach T
Speaker 1: is a awe time great motivator.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Yes, he is a all time great motivator. He has
Speaker 1: the gift of gad that's coach T okay. And he's
Speaker 1: great at getting guys to you know, feel good about
Speaker 1: their self, boost the confidence, you know, he hitting them
Speaker 1: with the the tomlinisms and and and all that. You know, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a five star matchup. Because we in it. Standard
Speaker 1: is the standard. Uh, don't blink. If you blink, peel
Speaker 1: your eyelids off, you know. On Yeah, and players like
Speaker 1: like they're taking that motivation and the leader of men
Speaker 1: and they're calling it greatness. You can be a leader
Speaker 1: of men and not be a great motivator. Some people
Speaker 1: don't have to get the gad. Joe tell you. And
Speaker 1: I know we're in the game. We're sitting there before
Speaker 1: the game and we're about to go out, and the
Speaker 1: coach says, hey, so and so, get up and do
Speaker 1: the pregame before we walk out in the first yourself.
Speaker 3: Is hell, not him.
Speaker 1: Him. It's not that he is not a leader of men.
Speaker 1: Nine times out of ten, he got that.
Speaker 3: C on his chest.
Speaker 1: But his motivation game is trash. And to me, a
Speaker 1: great coach dude has an added dynamic to it.
Speaker 3: And that's mentor.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about personal and emotional, because that's
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from a lot of guys. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about you learned enough from this person that they took
Speaker 1: your teachings, your guidance and went on to become a
Speaker 1: version of you.
Speaker 3: I e a coaching tree.
Speaker 1: It's been almost twenty years and Mike T don't have
Speaker 1: a coaching tree.
Speaker 3: Why is that, Joe, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You got no answer, You have no answer why he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a coaching tree after being in the NFL
Speaker 1: almost twenty years. But he is one of the all
Speaker 1: time greats. And no owner, no TM, nobody has cam
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I want one of your
Speaker 1: coaches that are under you, and I want that for
Speaker 1: my team. I can use that person to lead my team,
Speaker 1: to lead my defense, to leave my offense. Can I
Speaker 1: ask you this? Can I ask you this at the
Speaker 1: same as the same time. Must men you back with
Speaker 1: one question?
Speaker 2: I'm not as sure of the coaching with the hiring process.
Speaker 2: Are these all coach T's Is he he brings in
Speaker 2: the coach I remember? Remember Coach T promotes from within?
Speaker 3: Okay, no, no, I hear, I hear that. I'm just asking.
Speaker 3: I'm just asking.
Speaker 2: I'm blind asking because I don't know certain coaches don't
Speaker 2: have that pool. I don't know where I was at
Speaker 2: coach coaches was getting fired, gms are staying, gems are staying,
Speaker 2: coaches are getting fired.
Speaker 3: So okay, you don't know how I.
Speaker 2: Don't and I need to know the level of the
Speaker 2: level of pool makes it easier for me to give accountability.
Speaker 3: So if you're able to bring in your coaches.
Speaker 2: Like you said, if you have reason to bring in
Speaker 2: your coaches, and you do bring in these coaches and
Speaker 2: then they don't happen to pan out and they're getting
Speaker 2: fired and they're not treeing off and they're not doing well,
Speaker 2: then you're then that's stuff that I did not know.
Speaker 2: So that brings knowledge to me, that puts that on
Speaker 2: the head coach. I'm thinking more. It got to be
Speaker 2: everybody's in Cahoo's we gotta it's more than you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It takes more than two to tang up.
Speaker 1: Okay, no question, but this this is something like I
Speaker 1: said that I know.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you don't. You don't have an answer for that. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, So with that said, let's give the little people.
Speaker 1: Let's get the people a little insight. Because they say
Speaker 1: I'm hating that's what that's that's been a story since
Speaker 1: they released James in twenty seventeen, was James is hating
Speaker 1: on coach t Okay, Joe. So this is what we
Speaker 1: go through, Joe, we go give we're gonna give these
Speaker 1: people that are here. I wanted to call them something else,
Speaker 1: but I'm not a little lessen like. Okay, So, Joe,
Speaker 1: you and I have both played in this.
Speaker 3: League for a long time, right, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And there's things that goes on in this league that
Speaker 1: we will never talk about to the regular public because
Speaker 1: it's just an unspoken rule that you don't do if
Speaker 1: you agree, I.
Speaker 3: Was a thousand mist an agree.
Speaker 1: Well, that's unless somebody speaks out against you. Then that's
Speaker 1: a little different. And the crazy thing is usually when
Speaker 1: that happens, the people don't believe it. And when somebody
Speaker 1: speak that out loud, they don't believe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they agreeable, right, Okay, now a snitcher right right,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 1: Believed he's saying this because of this. He's saying this
Speaker 1: because of that. Okay, So we're giving we're both an
Speaker 1: agreeing on that statement. It's a valid thing.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Now, the reason this doesn't happen is because a lot
Speaker 1: of guys are trying to get back into the NFL
Speaker 1: when they're done. So if you break that unspoken rule,
Speaker 1: it's highly unlikely you're going to get in because if
Speaker 1: you did it to them, you could do it to me?
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? Debo stamp? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now now that that said, also know what's going
Speaker 1: on at other teams at other leagues, especially now, because
Speaker 1: guys are friends with other players on other teams and
Speaker 1: they talk to each other and tell each other what's
Speaker 1: going on at other teams, and the coaches and management
Speaker 1: of those teams do the same.
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now we're getting somewhere, Joe. So this is what
Speaker 1: I believe is been happening in Pittsburgh and why coach
Speaker 1: Tomlin doesn't have a coaching tree after almost twenty years,
Speaker 1: because these gms and these owners know what's happening behind
Speaker 1: closed doors. So it would make zero sense for them
Speaker 1: to go and get a guy and promote him when
Speaker 1: they already know he doesn't have the skills to do
Speaker 1: the job.
Speaker 3: Would you would you would? Would that make sense to
Speaker 3: your job? I mean, I mean I didn't have it.
Speaker 3: I didn't have a reason.
Speaker 2: And when you broke down what you just said, that
Speaker 2: sounds like a reason that would make sense.
Speaker 1: Now you add that to a statement that was released
Speaker 1: where Art said none of his coaches are up for
Speaker 1: the head coaching job. Go find another job that would
Speaker 1: be more highly likely that they would go on or
Speaker 1: that or or the reason why he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: coaching tree.
Speaker 3: Okay, would you would would you agree with that?
Speaker 2: But I would say he made Look if you don't
Speaker 2: have a coaching tree, I said that he hired he
Speaker 2: was bad at hiring coaches, dudes he thought were going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: Okay, the things we're not good, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I could say that, you can say, you can
Speaker 1: say that he made a mistake in hiring coaches.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I can say that. I can say I
Speaker 2: can say that if he was accountable for hiring these
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators that haven't been really doing too well, then
Speaker 2: I'll say, yes, right, defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: But yes, yes, So so at.
Speaker 1: Some point we had almost six seven eight openings and
Speaker 1: not one of these other coaches were mentioned for the
Speaker 1: head job except for what's his name, the OC, But
Speaker 1: he already had a head job, so he's not considered
Speaker 1: to be a tree that would come from Tomland anyway.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, uh, fuck his name? You know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about, the OC?
Speaker 1: Right, So now they go with the oh, he's did
Speaker 1: so Oh, he's did so much with so little. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: he's did so much with so little, and I give
Speaker 1: him credit for that, you know what.
Speaker 3: I give him credit because that's what the coach good
Speaker 3: coach does.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, but I also have to take credit away
Speaker 1: because he's been there nineteen years and he's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent responsible.
Speaker 3: For that roster. I got my kind of thing, man,
Speaker 3: that's all. That's okay.
Speaker 1: And like the Ravens owner said, he said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give him say, but no power.
Speaker 3: Mum hmm. That was that. That was how he operated.
Speaker 1: He gonna get you saved, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, he's gonna have the power to make the
Speaker 1: pick or decision of the player that he wants, Okay,
Speaker 1: And I honestly I don't have a problem with that
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna head coach. Yeah, I'm the one that's
Speaker 1: gonna get fired.
Speaker 3: If this goes wrong. Okay.
Speaker 2: Who's who's when we just right before Omar we had
Speaker 2: it was Kevin Cobert. So you're telling me now that
Speaker 2: they were working together, but Coach T had the final sack.
Speaker 1: I would say sometime between thirteen to fifteen, Coach T
Speaker 1: got say of what it was he wanted to do
Speaker 1: who he would be able to pick when it came
Speaker 1: down to a decision of who has to say Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this is a good knowledge for me.
Speaker 3: D Now now now go back to that. Now go
Speaker 3: back to that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we ain't want to playoff games since what
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen? Right, And that's on him. He's done a
Speaker 1: horrible job in the draft process, a horrible job. If
Speaker 1: you go back to twenty fifteen to now, we have
Speaker 1: only given two players in those first two rounds long
Speaker 1: term extensions. Okay, TJ and Friar move two out of fifteen.
Speaker 1: That is one hundred percent him. That is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent him.
Speaker 3: Why why is that? Why an't you give more guys extensions?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the main ones was like I say,
Speaker 2: I was thinking Juju.
Speaker 3: We say shay Zeer got hurt, so.
Speaker 2: That was God was a good pick Chase he got hurt,
Speaker 2: Juju Deonte.
Speaker 1: We had fifteen altogether, only two of them got long
Speaker 1: term extensions. Say it could have been three or saxt
Speaker 1: year didn't getting hurt? Is that still a good percentage? No,
Speaker 1: it's no, it's not. It's not it's not. But a
Speaker 1: great coach. Made made made those made those decisions, and
Speaker 1: and he got all that power.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: And another reason I believe he wanted to get that
Speaker 1: power is he came in. He came in, he made
Speaker 1: great coaching decisions when he came in the first thing
Speaker 1: he did he kept the whole defensive staff. You got
Speaker 1: a defense that was ranked one, four and a nine
Speaker 1: in the three years before that.
Speaker 3: You can't really.
Speaker 1: Let that go because if you let that go in
Speaker 1: the defense you're throwing there don't do no better. You
Speaker 1: might be out of a job before it even starts.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying that you can't blame it
Speaker 2: that that's smart.
Speaker 3: If you see you.
Speaker 1: Got smart, that's what I'm saying. That's a good coach.
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you. Yes, Okay. Now he went in
Speaker 1: BA Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians was promoted to the offensive coordinator. Again,
Speaker 1: a good coaching decision. Why be able to receive his coach?
Speaker 1: He was brought in under Kowar. But you got Ben
Speaker 1: who was just now starting to come into his own
Speaker 1: and you want to tell him he got to learn
Speaker 1: the new system. That wouldn't be a good decision. That's
Speaker 1: very smart on his behalf. That is a good coaching decision.
Speaker 1: Because of that, he went and won a super Bowl
Speaker 1: in year two and went back again and ten years later.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I give him credit for that. Okay, good, Okay.
Speaker 1: But what I don't give him credit for is because
Speaker 1: he did not pick those players.
Speaker 3: Those are Bill Coward's players.
Speaker 1: And that again is another reason why I believe he
Speaker 1: was looking for power as much as he said he
Speaker 1: don't hear the outside noise he heard people talking about
Speaker 1: that was Coward's team. You just took Coyver's team to
Speaker 1: the super Bowl year and year two, you go and
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. You go back again two years
Speaker 1: after that, and when you look at the roster, I
Speaker 1: believe the most was like three three starters on defense,
Speaker 1: and the first one might have been one or two.
Speaker 1: I think Woodley was was was one, and Timmys I
Speaker 1: think was rotating with foot.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, Okay.
Speaker 1: The one we went back and we ended up losing,
Speaker 1: it was Timmins and Woodley. Those were his two, and
Speaker 1: I think it was one more. I don't remember who
Speaker 1: it was. Okay, So now you go from there. Since
Speaker 1: our last playoff win in twenty sixteen bro under his guidance,
Speaker 1: him being able to pick who he want. We are
Speaker 1: getting further and further away from a championship.
Speaker 2: Joe, I would say, the two years you're correct, this sixteen.
Speaker 2: I feel like that year when you won the playoffs, Oh,
Speaker 2: that was the that was that was the that was
Speaker 2: the beating Jesse James. Year, that was the beating Jesse James.
Speaker 2: And then the next year, twenty seventeen, that was when
Speaker 2: we went thirteen and three had to buy and that's
Speaker 2: what Shazier got hurt and we brought up my man
Speaker 2: Sean Spence from the couch at the crib and Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: Told it on us and we gave up forty five points.
Speaker 3: So I think those.
Speaker 2: Two years sixteen seventeen that bad bad luck, bad luck.
Speaker 3: Okay, hold up, great teams, bad luck, all right.
Speaker 2: So from that point on after you said that, from
Speaker 2: that point on after seventeen.
Speaker 3: Then i'm a few things we didn't look good.
Speaker 2: And I think that's when coach he started realizing that
Speaker 2: it was it wasn't looking good either.
Speaker 1: Now hold on, I want you to, I want you to,
Speaker 1: I want you to think about this. Now, what year
Speaker 1: you got there?
Speaker 2: You got there in seventeen, right, I got there at seventeen.
Speaker 1: Okay, So from fifteen until eighteen, the offense was never
Speaker 1: ranked lower than of four. So all these people that
Speaker 1: want to say he never had a quarterback, he never
Speaker 1: had this. Aaron Rodgers is the first quarterback he had,
Speaker 1: y'all just throwing bean out the window.
Speaker 3: You talking about offense.
Speaker 1: That was ranked four, three, three and seven, okay. And
Speaker 1: in that time we made an AFC Championship game, and
Speaker 1: we lost two times in the first round.
Speaker 3: And didn't even make it one year to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Along with that, as you said, you came in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: We had a fifth ranked defense in twenty seventeen that
Speaker 1: lost in the first round.
Speaker 3: As you just said.
Speaker 1: And we had a sixth defense in twenty eighteen, and
Speaker 1: you're pairing that with a three and a four offense.
Speaker 3: But got it.
Speaker 1: You don't even make the playoffs. But again you're saying,
Speaker 1: that's one of the great coaches of all time, right, bro,
Speaker 1: bro great.
Speaker 3: Not all time, that's what he's a great. He's a great,
Speaker 3: great Hall of Fame coach for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you don't see this as maybe a dismantlement.
Speaker 2: It's no, no, no, no, no. Look, the coaches come in
Speaker 2: the league like for the consistency is still something we
Speaker 2: can't say, like he underput you. We could say he
Speaker 2: underperformed in some of these years. It should have been
Speaker 2: more super Bowls than not. He did go to the
Speaker 2: big game and win it. You say it was the
Speaker 2: other people's team. You still got to go out there
Speaker 2: and coach.
Speaker 1: You still be able to leave him the whole season everything,
Speaker 1: keep them motivated.
Speaker 3: Keep them going. So all that stuff is difficult.
Speaker 2: It's difficult to do when you go with no years
Speaker 2: of having Duck Hodges. Then when people start getting hurt
Speaker 2: and I'm just saying, no matter who's there, you coach,
Speaker 2: that's what you're saying. When he's getting more, if that's
Speaker 2: his right, he's getting more, we're gonna give him more reason, Okay, right,
Speaker 2: he's getting more with less.
Speaker 3: We can say that.
Speaker 1: It was times where they're like, oh, the Stills won't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and Stillers make the playoffs and get
Speaker 1: popped out in the first round. He got more with less,
Speaker 1: but he get way less with far more. A great coach,
Speaker 1: don't do that, Joe, great coach don't do that, Joe, Joe,
Speaker 1: you came from Cleveland knocking you and nothing like that.
Speaker 3: But you went from Cleveland to what you had to
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1: I went from Bill Cower, Mike Tomlin to uh so,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati with Lewis and then my last ended up coming
Speaker 1: back to the Stillers and then finishing off with with Belichick.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So what would you rank your coaches?
Speaker 2: Where would you rank the order of Mike Tomlin with them,
Speaker 2: with them, with those other coaches.
Speaker 3: I would rank.
Speaker 1: Bill oh well, hold on, I would rank Belichick, Coyle, Tomlin,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 3: Okay, Lewis. Okay, that's where I would rank him. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now he's a good coach, Okay. A good coach finds
Speaker 1: a way to motivate his player, to lead his players, okay, and.
Speaker 3: He gets the potential out of his players. Okay.
Speaker 1: But the only problem with motivation, because he's a great motivator,
Speaker 1: is it doesn't last long. It's very inconsistent. Bro It's
Speaker 1: a filling based thing. Motivation is, and that's what we've
Speaker 1: been seeing in Pittsburgh. It is emotional fillings based is
Speaker 1: inconsistent play coaching for the last decade could because our
Speaker 1: coach is a great motivator, not a great coach. Just
Speaker 1: like what you're seeing right now with all these guys
Speaker 1: with these emotional attachments, you being one of the guys,
Speaker 1: included that the it's not performance based on the field,
Speaker 1: it is personal experience and relationship based. You came from
Speaker 1: a situation where you didn't even know what a good
Speaker 1: coach was to now you're seeing that's a great I
Speaker 1: know what great coaches look like.
Speaker 3: I know what great coaches look, I know how mean,
Speaker 3: I know how they move, I know how they approach.
Speaker 1: I know what my measurement of greatness is.
Speaker 2: A hall of fame coach in your opinion?
Speaker 3: Say what it is?
Speaker 2: Coach to a Hall of fame coach in your opinion? No, okay,
Speaker 2: so now that's yeah, that that's actually crazy. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we're we're we're just.
Speaker 1: Saying I can't give him a Hall of Fame coach
Speaker 1: for it's because he hasn't made disciples. You're telling me
Speaker 1: you're a hall of fame coach that no one has
Speaker 1: followed you. Mind that that that can't be the thing.
Speaker 1: He's the only candid coach this loan and does not
Speaker 1: have a Tree Bros.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna not give him
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame nod because he's bad at hiring
Speaker 2: offensive offensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: But I talked you think that is a thing that
Speaker 1: he's bad at doing, or do you think that is
Speaker 1: a thing that he purposely does to keep position in power?
Speaker 3: No? No, No, I don't think he's self sabotages.
Speaker 1: I don't saying your self sabotage if you're hiring.
Speaker 2: That, if you're hiring other coaches that aren't good enough,
Speaker 2: because you're neither.
Speaker 1: Going to take the spotlight out of Aha? Is it
Speaker 1: enough spotlight? Is it enough spotlight?
Speaker 3: No? Is that what you were saying?
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, Joe, is it enough spotlight to go around?
Speaker 1: You gotta realize a lot of coaches when they get
Speaker 1: this head coach thing, it's a lot of ego that
Speaker 1: go with that. It's a lot of ego that go
Speaker 1: with that. Okay, No, a great coach, dude, Like the
Speaker 1: measurement of greatness like it's not based on personal experiences
Speaker 1: and relationship you have with them. It is purely on
Speaker 1: what you did as a coach. Did you get champions
Speaker 1: what disciples? Yes, wins and losses is great and losses
Speaker 1: have to add.
Speaker 3: Up to championships. Brother, he has a ship.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm the greatest of all time as a
Speaker 1: linebacker because.
Speaker 3: I got two Super Bowls. No, no, no, no, that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't like I don't he But why not?
Speaker 2: He went to the playoffs thirteen times out of his
Speaker 2: nineteen seasons he went. He won the AFC championship seven times.
Speaker 3: How many times did he win? One? He won?
Speaker 2: We're not saying that he's the great.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. How many playoff games did he win?
Speaker 1: Because when you look at the greats, the measurement of
Speaker 1: greatness for all time greats, like everybody is saying right now,
Speaker 1: nobody has a negative postseason record. And I can go
Speaker 1: back back, like you go back to George Hallis six
Speaker 1: and three, you go back to Don Shuler nineteen and seventeen.
Speaker 1: It's still better than what he had. That like even
Speaker 1: Paul Brown ninety eight, Bill Belichick thirty one and thirteen,
Speaker 1: bro Andy Reid twenty eight and seventeen.
Speaker 3: Like you want to hear what's Timelin's playoff record?
Speaker 2: We have?
Speaker 3: We have at least we have one, Bud, Gret, can
Speaker 3: you tell me? Can you tell me what Thomas playoff record? No?
Speaker 3: I don't know, why now because what is it? What
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: Eight and twelve?
Speaker 3: Huh? What is it? Which is playoff record? You don't
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 2: I don't know it.
Speaker 3: What is it? But that's a measure. But hall of
Speaker 3: Fame he fough the Hall of Fame record, he met
Speaker 3: playoff record debo. I don't know, Joe, I don't know.
Speaker 3: You don't know either.
Speaker 1: You said it was because of playoffs, But I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I mean, if you're gonna are
Speaker 1: you one number? I mean, look, he won a ship.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had more losing seasons than winning season.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna win.
Speaker 3: It every year. One team is going to win twelve, bro,
Speaker 3: he eight and twelve? Oh that's what I thought. It
Speaker 3: was a twelve.
Speaker 2: One team's gonna win it.
Speaker 3: So him being right into the dance, Like, why, okay,
Speaker 3: so a Hall.
Speaker 1: Of Fame listen, Joe, So a Hall of Fame coach
Speaker 1: should be making history for maybe having the longest losing
Speaker 1: streak and playoff history since it began. You're tied with UH,
Speaker 1: with with with UH Marvin Lewis as the longest head
Speaker 1: coach to NFL history.
Speaker 3: You're tired.
Speaker 1: That's the longest Logan Street seven games straight. That should
Speaker 1: be that should be a. That's that's a great coach.
Speaker 2: That's a that's definitely not It doesn't. It's not a
Speaker 2: good stat But you got to put the good with
Speaker 2: the bad. You can't just take away all of the
Speaker 2: stuff we said before when he first got out there, you.
Speaker 3: Just said hall of fame was because which one is it? Joe,
Speaker 3: He's a Hall of Fame coach because of what?
Speaker 2: Because that he's went because we went nineteen seasons with
Speaker 2: zero losing records.
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: That's just not easy when you you just overshadow that,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Thirteen he did go to
Speaker 2: the playoffs thirteen times. He did go to the super
Speaker 2: Bowl two times he did were.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been his record is better than eight
Speaker 1: because it was one hundred and ninety eight.
Speaker 4: He's won one hundred and ninety two of a Pittsburgh Stiller.
Speaker 4: He's one hundred and ninety two and one hundred and fourteen.
Speaker 4: So he's better than eight and eight. His overall record
Speaker 4: is better than eight and eight, and he's won a
Speaker 4: super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So I under if you have time, it's his time. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm still not saying it's not his time to go.
Speaker 2: Like his time is good.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not his time to go. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about great. Yes, what's his hall of same qualification?
Speaker 3: For me? For you? I just was giving it to you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep you want me to keep saying the
Speaker 2: same thing over and over again.
Speaker 3: You said playoff record, then you said, I said, he
Speaker 3: went to the he's playing.
Speaker 2: He was a coach nineteen years, right, thirteen playoff appearances,
Speaker 2: seven AFC championships, two super Bowl appearances, one super Bowl victory.
Speaker 1: Okay, so anybody that wins the Super Bowl should be
Speaker 1: a great coach.
Speaker 2: Whoever keeps this long line longevity of consistency of winning,
Speaker 2: keeping a team in the in the fight. You got
Speaker 2: a dog, have a dog in the fight.
Speaker 1: So you gotta have nineteen years, and you gotta no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, you don't have.
Speaker 2: To have nineteen years. You don't have to have nineteen years.
Speaker 2: He could have done better, he could have done more
Speaker 2: than this. But that's why I'm still saying at the
Speaker 2: same time, that's why he's not the greatest coach of
Speaker 2: all time. But he's a damn sure great coach that
Speaker 2: deserves to be in the Hall of That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Okay, So again, for me, what I'm seeing, what it's
Speaker 1: being said out here is the emotional attachments these guys
Speaker 1: have to Mike Tomlin, and for me, I didn't have
Speaker 1: that emotional attachment with him.
Speaker 3: I can't respect you the emotion I had.
Speaker 1: If I had stopped playing maybe in two thy twelve,
Speaker 1: I might be one of those guys that was saying
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know why devote because then we speak this too.
Speaker 2: It's a relationship thing you and Coach Tomlin have years
Speaker 2: with each other that at the semi one time we
Speaker 2: were falling, hooping everything. Then another relationship where you like
Speaker 2: you felt like you was probably done dirty, did you wrong,
Speaker 2: said some things, lied, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: a whole different thing going on where you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, How how can people? Then that's why you
Speaker 2: can sit there and say that it's that that type
Speaker 2: of way me too. At the same way, when I
Speaker 2: wanted to redo my deal, we were talking, Oh yeah, Joe,
Speaker 2: you're gonna finish your career here, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden it went crickets. I could feel some type
Speaker 2: of way like coach.
Speaker 3: See, it's totally different.
Speaker 1: You're saying that, oh you thought you were going to
Speaker 1: finish your career there, and see when what that gives
Speaker 1: me is I have clarity because our relationship was business.
Speaker 1: It was just that it was yeah, okay, So how
Speaker 1: to saying, go, Joe, I lied for you before I
Speaker 1: lie to you.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: The number one thing that I was taught about my
Speaker 1: parents is you never lied to me, because if you
Speaker 1: lied to me, I can't help you, and then I
Speaker 1: can't trust you.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: The first time I know he lied to me was
Speaker 1: twenty ten, but that wasn't the biggest thing because I
Speaker 1: didn't have that relationship with him that I understood it
Speaker 1: was no.
Speaker 3: Obligation for him to tell me the truth.
Speaker 1: But the big thing was the first time I know
Speaker 1: he lied on me, and that was twenty thirteen. M
Speaker 1: And as much as he doesn't say or as much
Speaker 1: as he says he doesn't listen to the outside noise.
Speaker 1: I found that to be a lie. In twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: You want to know how I know Joe, how you
Speaker 1: know Debo because he texts me he was into his
Speaker 1: feelings though, because I said that.
Speaker 3: Belichick was a better coach than him.
Speaker 1: They asked me a question, and I asked, I was
Speaker 1: on Fox then twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: Brother, I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was on the skipping Shannon and they asked me,
Speaker 1: and I, hey, gave I.
Speaker 3: Gave my opinion. Yeah it was, and why it was? Okay? Now?
Speaker 1: He responded with something like wood Lee was a smarter
Speaker 1: player than you.
Speaker 3: Blah blah. You know what.
Speaker 1: I don't even want I want to give you this verbatim.
Speaker 1: You know that I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't know you mess words. I don't want to
Speaker 1: mince words and and say and because it is very
Speaker 1: betim matter of fact, like a sa say. It was
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. I was doing commentating for Fox, and I
Speaker 1: would go up there like maybe once or twice a
Speaker 1: month and be there for like two three days and
Speaker 1: go on all the shows. You know, do to commentation
Speaker 1: and they'd ask me whatever, da da da da. So
Speaker 1: now this text I get from him, Oh, look you're
Speaker 1: there in twenty eighteen. Yeahat so the text I get
Speaker 1: from him. Here's the crazy thing. It's almost three four
Speaker 1: weeks after it was said. Okay, August seventh, two thy eighteen,
Speaker 1: at one thirty five, Joe, what time do y'all go
Speaker 1: to practice.
Speaker 3: To?
Speaker 1: He saw probably like two, like two two thirty something
Speaker 1: like that. But this is what's on your mind. He's
Speaker 1: watching me on TV. This has gotten to him somehow.
Speaker 1: Here is his text. He says Wood was a smart
Speaker 1: player than you. But I would never say that to
Speaker 1: anybody but you. I'm not with you for what you say.
Speaker 1: I'm always with you because of your relationship with the
Speaker 1: game and what you were willing to do.
Speaker 3: Don't act funny.
Speaker 1: I will always be with you no matter how fucked
Speaker 1: up you are.
Speaker 3: Lol.
Speaker 1: Now my response to him was, quote, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to tell the world that I would not be upset,
Speaker 1: that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, just like
Speaker 1: I'm entitled to mine. No disrespect meant by it. It
Speaker 1: was just my honest answer to a question that was asked.
Speaker 1: Good luck Thursday. I'll always be with you, no matter
Speaker 1: how fucked up you are. One hundred. Now you're telling
Speaker 1: me someone who doesn't listen to the outside noise is
Speaker 1: texting me that on a Tuesday before he's playing a
Speaker 1: Thursday a game.
Speaker 2: If it's a Tuesday, look it could have been a
Speaker 2: day off tuesdays.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no no. I made sure
Speaker 1: I looked at it. I made sure I looked at it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a day off. Okay, it was a Thursday game.
Speaker 1: Oh practice. So again, my relationship with him, it is
Speaker 1: totally different. I can separate, I can separate the great
Speaker 1: coach from the great motivator and see it. Guys that
Speaker 1: are in that position now, they still have that emotional
Speaker 1: attachment and that makes them overshadow when you start looking
Speaker 1: at pure numbers, because coaching is something that is based
Speaker 1: on numbers and development, and he does not have the ability,
Speaker 1: because he does not have a coaching tree to actually
Speaker 1: get coaches out and in through his toolage.
Speaker 3: But that's a great coach.
Speaker 2: I think, like, when, why don't you think he would
Speaker 2: just hire? Do you think he's purposely not high?
Speaker 1: Like I just don't lets me know, you feel a
Speaker 1: certain type of way.
Speaker 3: He this is.
Speaker 1: This is the one thing I thought I said, I
Speaker 1: might have said it to you. I said, the only
Speaker 1: way Mike tim to get us out of here is
Speaker 1: if he wants to leave. And it was one of
Speaker 1: two things. Okay, it was going to be his ego
Speaker 1: or it was going to be.
Speaker 3: His pride. It was going to be his or his pride.
Speaker 3: Why he why he left, why he would.
Speaker 1: Leave or stay? Okay, okay, his pride is the part
Speaker 1: that would make him leave. He wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: take the outside noise. He doesn't listen to her, He says,
Speaker 1: he doesn't hear. His ego would make him stay because
Speaker 1: I don't care what they say. I'm staying. I'll leave
Speaker 1: when I want to leave. And I think maybe the
Speaker 1: pride spoke a little loud, deebo.
Speaker 2: I just say one thing, man, the fact that you
Speaker 2: have you can speak on, like you said, the emotional part,
Speaker 2: and people get really in their feelings and get them
Speaker 2: mostly attached to coach t because like you said, he
Speaker 2: is a great speaker.
Speaker 3: He is a great when they say leader of men.
Speaker 2: But I cause, like when I can only know from
Speaker 2: where I came from, And the one thing too I
Speaker 2: can say is when I was in Florida. When I
Speaker 2: was at Florida when we didn't win national championships, Ervin
Speaker 2: Meyer was a special teams coach. We had a great
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator and Charlie Strong, we had a great offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator and a damn mullen. So he like put off
Speaker 2: things to other people that made sure those dudes knew
Speaker 2: exactly what was going on. And you gotta kind of
Speaker 2: give off task and make sure you can't just be
Speaker 2: the only one running the whole kitchen, because it takes
Speaker 2: it takes a village, you know what I'm saying. Your
Speaker 2: GM got to be on your same page with you,
Speaker 2: Your coaches got to be on the same page. Your
Speaker 2: owner ship has to be kind of following kind of
Speaker 2: everybody's got to be working together.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm with you on not being emotional.
Speaker 2: On my part is I don't know all the nuances
Speaker 2: of what coach he really had the power to do,
Speaker 2: what pool he had, what say so he had. So
Speaker 2: when I'm coming in, I'm knowing I'm gonna do my
Speaker 2: job and if my coach gives me the tools to
Speaker 2: make sure I can go out there and do what
Speaker 2: I gotta.
Speaker 3: Do to make sure we win.
Speaker 2: And if we don't win, we see why we didn't
Speaker 2: and he gives us the facts and tools and the
Speaker 2: keys the victory. And if we go do this, we're
Speaker 2: gonna go win these games every week.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I never went in there ill prepared, So I hear
Speaker 2: what you're saying too. With a great coach, if you're
Speaker 2: really gonna do.
Speaker 1: It, And this is kind of bringing it to me
Speaker 1: where you grand coach, You gotta have the GM right,
Speaker 1: You got to make sure your offense coordinated.
Speaker 3: You got to be able to set people up and put.
Speaker 2: Them in positions to where now that that's kind of
Speaker 2: how you build a tree. How Belichick and how these
Speaker 2: dudes have dudes that are disciples of them because they
Speaker 2: kind of taught them, put them in positions and they
Speaker 2: kind of got it. That's That's the part of where
Speaker 2: I'm always understanding, great coach, is what are you telling
Speaker 2: me to do? Are you making sure I know exactly
Speaker 2: what to do and when I need to do it
Speaker 2: to go win? And then coaching me up to like
Speaker 2: not just bad tape is bad tape. I and the
Speaker 2: sky don't lie being accountable for everybody, like showing the stuff.
Speaker 2: I was with that so I can That part is
Speaker 2: where I say great coach. On the other part is
Speaker 2: where like there's a whole lot more where if you're
Speaker 2: not if you're in the GM, aren't on the same page.
Speaker 2: If you're actually the one bringing in the talent, if
Speaker 2: you're bringing in these quarterbacks, signing these guys, drafting these people,
Speaker 2: then the then the then the buck really does have
Speaker 2: to stop on you if everything's not performing, if you're
Speaker 2: not getting the best out the people that you hand selected.
Speaker 3: So I'm with you one thousand percent, debo.
Speaker 2: You kind of giving me a lot of more knowledge
Speaker 2: where like I as coaching leader of men, making sure
Speaker 2: I knew what I was doing.
Speaker 3: Great coach as far as bringing in talent.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's what I'm trying to say, Joe. You're saying
Speaker 1: great coach, leader of men, telling me what afact a
Speaker 1: good coach?
Speaker 3: To me, a great.
Speaker 1: Coach gets you beyond what your actual uh uh level
Speaker 1: of play is. Like dick Lebaum. If it wasn't for
Speaker 1: dick Lebone, there is no James Harrison. Dick Lebaux got
Speaker 1: me to play beyond the potential of what James Harrison
Speaker 1: was because he was an undrafted nobody that would be
Speaker 1: nothing but a whole life special teams player. Go to that,
Speaker 1: and you go to Keith Butler, my linebacker coach, the
Speaker 1: greatest linebacker coach I ever had. Okay, he is the
Speaker 1: person that developed me, turn me into what I am,
Speaker 1: made me what I am, showed me how to do
Speaker 1: this job, the nuances of doing it in and out,
Speaker 1: and I played it in Dick Lebo's defense. Okay, and
Speaker 1: that was Taylor made for me, the same defense I
Speaker 1: thought was so hard and difficult for.
Speaker 3: Me to learn. Once I actually sat down, became.
Speaker 1: A truth professional, understood what I needed to do and
Speaker 1: learned it and put it on tape, it was easy
Speaker 1: for me to go out there and play and excel
Speaker 1: in it because those were two great people that were
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, I want to tie it on the Tomlin. Yes,
Speaker 1: I give him that. Good coach. Good coach. He did
Speaker 1: the things necessary to keep the people in place, because
Speaker 1: that's what was there. It would be foolish to leave
Speaker 1: to let those people go.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: And also something when we were sitting there at the game,
Speaker 1: what the hamp say ninety five is a good player, right,
Speaker 1: he said he's a good player. I looked it up,
Speaker 1: BROI is a good player. Nine five is a good
Speaker 1: player as much as I said he's not. But you
Speaker 1: know why he's not a good player because they planned
Speaker 1: him out a position. You're telling me, a great coach
Speaker 1: takes an athlete like that that could be great and
Speaker 1: puts him in a position to not excel.
Speaker 3: What position we need to play him at though he
Speaker 3: needs to be on the end. Okay, okay, he needs
Speaker 3: to be on the end.
Speaker 1: He's a rush in dude, all right, he actually got dude, like.
Speaker 3: Like, for real?
Speaker 2: Is it because he's too leads to It's just's quick,
Speaker 2: but he's too light.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Here's here's a here's a funny thing. Before TJ moved
Speaker 1: to the left, PZ, what's the linebacker, coach? I said, PZ.
Speaker 1: I know, y'all ain't gonna do nothing with me and
Speaker 1: let me play on the right. But move TJ to
Speaker 1: the left. I would see every time in practice when
Speaker 1: TJ got the practice rushing on the left, he had
Speaker 1: that move.
Speaker 3: Can't nobody stop. I'm like, just moving to the left,
Speaker 3: like just moving to the left.
Speaker 1: They thinking I want to, I want to, I want
Speaker 1: to get in there and play that. I know you're
Speaker 1: not gonna blame me already. No, I want to move
Speaker 1: to TJ to left. Automatically he could get that. They
Speaker 1: don't do it. TJ finally was like yo, and one
Speaker 1: of the off season, I want to move to the left,
Speaker 1: move to the left.
Speaker 3: Boom gone gone should have moved on to the left.
Speaker 3: Quicker should have moved into the left.
Speaker 1: Quicker Quicker like, we're at a point right now where
Speaker 1: or we got to a point where when Coward was there,
Speaker 1: Coward drafted talent for the position that was needed to
Speaker 1: get the job done at that position. I think around
Speaker 1: that thirteen fifteen time frame, coach Townlan got into drafting athletes, numbers, speed,
Speaker 1: all that, and not getting players that could do the
Speaker 1: skill needed at the position, which in thirteen led to
Speaker 1: dick Lebo's defense dropping in thirteen and fourteen and then
Speaker 1: them not renewing him because now you have him at
Speaker 1: a I think it was A thirteen and thirteen and
Speaker 1: eighteen in fourteen and now you can say, you know what,
Speaker 1: his defense don't work? That was that was called his
Speaker 1: defense don't work no more? It just don't work. It
Speaker 1: don't work. That's not true. His defense works. It was
Speaker 1: younger and younger players starting pick Lar Bose defense.
Speaker 3: He don't start rookies.
Speaker 1: It's only been one rookie before twenty thirteen that started
Speaker 1: in Addicularbo defense, and that was Ken dro Bell, And
Speaker 1: we ran I don't even know if y'all ran this.
Speaker 1: We ran Gap Mac. We ran Mac games, so we
Speaker 1: ran Mac Mac game. So it was either Gap Mac, knife, sword, gun,
Speaker 1: switch whatever whatever it was.
Speaker 3: So it was no.
Speaker 1: Telling that exactly exactly. You don't even know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. You got there seventeen. That's why you think
Speaker 1: he's right and I'm wrong, and we have a difference opinion.
Speaker 1: That told the Mac backer to hit gaps A through
Speaker 1: B I mean a through d over here or a
Speaker 1: through d over here. Why because I don't want him
Speaker 1: thinking I need to get him to where he knows
Speaker 1: where he's going. Because in that defense, you didn't play
Speaker 1: in the pure Diclobo fire zone defense. When I got
Speaker 1: there and at fourteen, I was like, yo, why were
Speaker 1: we changing this? When I unretired and came back, I'm like,
Speaker 1: some thing's gonna changed, and it's like Yo, we had
Speaker 1: to change some things so players didn't have to think
Speaker 1: so much and they could be able to play.
Speaker 3: Now, now, when.
Speaker 1: You do that in the Diculable defense and you take that.
Speaker 3: Away with that baumbing it down.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're dumbing it down, and you take away two
Speaker 1: or three other defenses that looked the same as that
Speaker 1: one defense, but it's doing something totally different. And that's
Speaker 1: why when rookie quarterbacks see a Diculable defense, a true
Speaker 1: Diclabo defense, they are talking about their seeing ghosts. Why
Speaker 1: because you're looking at the same thing, the same lineup,
Speaker 1: the same look, and it's four different ways those people
Speaker 1: can come. But now you have to take that one out,
Speaker 1: so now it's no teeth to the other one because
Speaker 1: you didn't get the player that needed to play the
Speaker 1: position to do what was necessary. As an inside linebacker
Speaker 1: and our def you got to come downhill, bang a dude,
Speaker 1: and get off of me. As an outside linebacker, you
Speaker 1: have to dominate the tight end. The tight ends never
Speaker 1: block you one on one, and you have to be
Speaker 1: able to get out and coverage to a claral flat.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to go seem Sometimes you
Speaker 1: got to run down with the number two.
Speaker 3: All that got taken away.
Speaker 1: So you see what I'm saying, Like, no, you have
Speaker 1: different parameter than you does, but fective in your perspective
Speaker 1: or two different things.
Speaker 2: Dude, I feel you, I hear you, but I'm just
Speaker 2: telling you what I know from being the cornerback and.
Speaker 3: Getting coached up.
Speaker 2: It just I feel like if the dude, dude, if you,
Speaker 2: if you, if you could have played in Dick Labo system,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you your numbers would have jumped by three.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, the cornerback it was easy, though,
Speaker 2: d BO, I think I'm The thing is there's there's
Speaker 2: there's nuances and stuff that we didn't get. But I
Speaker 2: don't think some people are just not smart enough to
Speaker 2: get defenses. Sometimes some things are a little bit confusing.
Speaker 2: I think I think my mind kind of works. But
Speaker 2: but that's the big draw, Like it's easy.
Speaker 1: Even the offenses that are facing us saying, oh it's easy,
Speaker 1: we know what they're gonna do. Why because you had
Speaker 1: to dumb it down so much because you're trying to
Speaker 1: make guys play now, like you have to have some
Speaker 1: complication to your defense. You have for sure we're playing chess,
Speaker 1: not checkers. Right, what you said, But guess what, we're
Speaker 1: playing tic tac toe because everybody and they mom see
Speaker 1: it and we're going to a game like TJ just said,
Speaker 1: this past game. We we we felt good about the
Speaker 1: week we went in, everything was you know, it was good.
Speaker 3: We felt prepared. And what happened the offenship down their leg.
Speaker 1: They're they're they're part of the preparation on the other.
Speaker 2: Side, right man, what so look so this this this
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So what what what? What are you expecting?
Speaker 2: What are you expecting to happen?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm expecting a great head coach to put
Speaker 1: people in position to get coaches that can Actually, how
Speaker 1: many coaches did you learn anything from at the stillers
Speaker 1: when you were there in your tenure?
Speaker 3: Who gave you, Who.
Speaker 1: Gave you nuggets that made you a better player, Who
Speaker 1: gave you who increased your knowledge? Who increased your capabilities?
Speaker 2: Coach Blake? Okay, coach Lake? Where's coach Lake? He was hired,
Speaker 2: He went to go see his son play out and
Speaker 2: in l A. You know what happened after that?
Speaker 3: No, then it got yeah, then it was then it
Speaker 3: was scrap he wasn't. He did not. He didn't help
Speaker 3: too much. Who was my third one? You can't remember,
Speaker 3: that's the problem.
Speaker 2: No, it was good, man, My third one was good.
Speaker 2: We had a good d B coach telling you was
Speaker 2: just yeah man, yeah, but it was I promise you,
Speaker 2: I promise you going.
Speaker 3: But I only had one bad d B coach there,
Speaker 3: so good equates to a great coach hiring.
Speaker 1: No, but I already you want to sat with a
Speaker 1: lot of great.
Speaker 3: I already told you what I believe.
Speaker 1: I do believe he will get into the hall just
Speaker 1: because of the number.
Speaker 3: Do I believe he should be in there? Wow? This
Speaker 3: coach is? That happened so the same.
Speaker 1: Reasons I don't believe I should be in there. My
Speaker 1: numbers aren't what they are. I said it multiple times.
Speaker 1: I've said that so many times. It's ridiculous. Even though
Speaker 1: we played in the defense where we drive damn near
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time, and anytime you got a
Speaker 1: pass rush, it may not be a pure rush.
Speaker 3: It could be a run.
Speaker 1: So you may get maybe eight to ten pure pass
Speaker 1: rushes in the game if you're lucky. And that wasn't
Speaker 1: That was if coach Laboul decided that a.
Speaker 3: We're not going to rush our outside guys.
Speaker 1: We need you guys to head up the tight end
Speaker 1: and just whip his ass to gap him and dominating
Speaker 1: the run game, and we'll pick everything else up with
Speaker 1: the corners coming in.
Speaker 3: No, you're gonna get in there though. You're gonna get
Speaker 3: in that bit, de bo, that's for sure. I respectfully listen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't you don't understand.
Speaker 1: You understand I don't care I'm get in. I ain't
Speaker 1: even the only thing making my daddy proud, bro, and
Speaker 1: I did that, don't I don't think they understand you
Speaker 1: right now? Think about this. Think about this. Ab ab
Speaker 1: should be.
Speaker 3: First Battle of Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: A thousand per a thousand.
Speaker 3: Get first Battle of Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Okay, they get their chance to make that, to make
Speaker 1: that thing to where they can do.
Speaker 3: Whatever they want to do. It is not didn't go first,
Speaker 3: stylid numbers based.
Speaker 1: And that is why I'm telling you Toman will get
Speaker 1: in because I don't think he should get in because
Speaker 1: guys are saying the things.
Speaker 2: He's going to get in for show. Yes, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get in for show. I can hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You just like it sist to leave or not, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the same thing.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, no question. He's gonna be able to do
Speaker 2: what he wants though.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's up, hardball Giants? The Browns ain't getting there?
Speaker 2: Man, it's all It's all good, Joe, it's all good, Hey, Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all good.
Speaker 3: Who who you?
Speaker 2: Who you?
Speaker 3: Who you hope? Who you're hoping for now? Joe? Man? Bruh?
Speaker 3: After that?
Speaker 2: After that, that one flustered me because I put all
Speaker 2: my eggs in one basket. I ain't even gonna lie
Speaker 2: to so uh yeah, right now, I'm just waiting to
Speaker 2: see what they were. Mister Haslam, well he's looking to
Speaker 2: come up with him and mister Barry. See what they
Speaker 2: looking for. So, you know, I'm just here, I'm just waiting.
Speaker 2: I'm just waiting. I'm just hoping and praying. I'm hoping
Speaker 2: something good happens. I'm gonna let them. I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: them do it because you know what, No, let's because
Speaker 2: what the because look we heard about that. What the
Speaker 2: what the stealer's gonna do though with the coach, because
Speaker 2: like you said, you want a great coach. You want
Speaker 2: a great coach obviously, and y'all ain't been doing it
Speaker 2: for a long time, only had three How much how
Speaker 2: much wiggle room a y'all, how much wiggle room are
Speaker 2: you giving the coach?
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent ready, and no, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: in the basement. If we're trying to rebuild this, and
Speaker 1: I think we need to rebuild this, I don't know
Speaker 1: if Steller fans can handle that.
Speaker 3: That's what I want to say. That's what I don't care.
Speaker 1: If I'm the if I'm the person making the decision,
Speaker 1: I don't care. This is what's going to have to happen,
Speaker 1: just like it happened over there with the Patriots. Look
Speaker 1: where they're at right now. Look where they're at right now.
Speaker 1: You've got to go to the basement to get back
Speaker 1: up unless you go give up everything that you have
Speaker 1: to find a quarterback that is out there right now
Speaker 1: and get him. We're going to be in the basement,
Speaker 1: and this draft is not it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the next draft is it. We're going to be in
Speaker 1: the basement to be able. We're going to have to
Speaker 1: be in the basement to be able. To draft a
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback can be a franchise quarterback. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: going to be in a we're going to I understand that,
Speaker 1: and we're going to have to draft far better than
Speaker 1: we have been doing the last ten to fifteen years. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for them. I'm I'm ready to accept. As
Speaker 1: long as we get a person that can get that done,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to accept. I'm willing to accept.
Speaker 2: Because basement, Because this is what I'm saying, your coach,
Speaker 2: when I'm telling you being in the basement, do we
Speaker 2: need to see something? Because the Steelers, they ain't had
Speaker 2: to really be dealing with another different head coaches. So
Speaker 2: I'm saying, how long are you giving him to look
Speaker 2: terrible in the basement, because we're gonna have Will Howard.
Speaker 2: We're still gonna obviously try to play and see what's up.
Speaker 1: So you mean so you're telling me, so you're telling
Speaker 1: me that we could take Will Howard and put him
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: Let's let's stop all save this team.
Speaker 1: That that is a great decision that Mike getting Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I will say that I don't know without him, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 3: It been looking no, for sure, it would have been his.
Speaker 1: First losing season ever if Aaron Rodgers wasn't there. Look
Speaker 1: at the games he won, Look how he want them,
Speaker 1: Look how our defense played in him, and look how
Speaker 1: we had to win them. You're telling me that this
Speaker 1: still would be a ten to seven team with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers not there.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that we obviously are going to go need
Speaker 2: to get a quarterback. If will is going to be
Speaker 2: the one that's going to be playing, we need to get.
Speaker 3: A vet obviously or we lose, lose.
Speaker 2: We're going to get hopefully a high pick where we
Speaker 2: get Caleb Williams like the Bears did, or Drake may
Speaker 2: for number three. You know what I'm saying, Like like
Speaker 2: the Patriots this so you're obviously going to.
Speaker 3: Have to lose.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying with the coach wise giving them a
Speaker 2: little bit of leeway because I'm.
Speaker 1: Giving you leeway. I ain't find I ain't signing up to
Speaker 1: a five year deal.
Speaker 3: I'm loving the way that I'm loving though.
Speaker 2: I think Robert Craft, I mean Robert Kraft, the way
Speaker 2: that he did it with New England. He put Mayo
Speaker 2: in there for a year, fired him, and then we're
Speaker 2: still able to get what's my man right now? That's
Speaker 2: that the Patriots, the one that we that I wish
Speaker 2: we could get. But he's not going nowhere. Oh no,
Speaker 2: he ain't leaving because from Tennessee. Yes, yes, yes, so
Speaker 2: we got to get we got to get a great coach.
Speaker 2: Bruh that you saying that's going to be able to
Speaker 2: bring offensive and defensive coordinators because it's still definitely.
Speaker 3: And I'm not listening.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has to be a great coach
Speaker 1: right now, but I need to have the potential of
Speaker 1: being able to grow into that. You've seen something in
Speaker 1: him from year whatever it is to year whatever.
Speaker 3: And he can grow.
Speaker 1: On top of that, I want to know that he
Speaker 1: can put a staff in place. I want to know
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be somebody that feels like
Speaker 1: he can't put somebody at X y Z because it
Speaker 1: may take attention.
Speaker 3: Away from him.
Speaker 2: So let me tell you this, all right, let me go,
Speaker 2: This is a question I really wanted to know. Since
Speaker 2: you talking about we're gonna have to be trash for
Speaker 2: a little bit and everything, are we still saying with
Speaker 2: these same players, are you trying to Are you trying
Speaker 2: to dump? Are you trying to get rid of contracts?
Speaker 2: Are you trying to look and see what's going on?
Speaker 3: I'm dumping for sure. Okay, I'm gonna have to because
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna have to do. If we're talking
Speaker 3: about I.
Speaker 2: Have to with this bread out there and it's young,
Speaker 2: you can try to really go reset are If you're
Speaker 2: really trying and.
Speaker 3: Refigure it out, that's then I got it. I got Okay,
Speaker 3: that's just the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say it, but I'm getting
Speaker 1: rid of older, expensive talent.
Speaker 3: Okay, you have to.
Speaker 1: I gotta start younger. I got I gotta start younger
Speaker 1: because I need to be able. I need to be
Speaker 1: able to grow with this. I gotta teach him. I
Speaker 1: gotta bring him in and and to be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't just as you know, I don't want to deal
Speaker 1: with the past, you know, of whatever they may expect
Speaker 1: from me because of what their dealings were with Tom.
Speaker 3: So I'm cleaning. I'm cleaning house. I have to. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but I have to start off fresh.
Speaker 1: And I look at look at Rabel, dude, he let
Speaker 1: go and signed so many people. I think it was
Speaker 1: like twenty something dudes in his first week to there.
Speaker 3: Before that, he went and got the coaches. He got
Speaker 3: the coaches.
Speaker 1: I need the coaches that I need like he put together,
Speaker 1: he get, he get an all.
Speaker 3: Star coaching style. He got. He got that together, And
Speaker 3: I need guys to be there that when the.
Speaker 1: Player see him or or or hear their name or
Speaker 1: or whatever that may be, it's automatic buying. My My
Speaker 1: DV coach is Joe Hayden. Come on, brying right, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. I'm coaching them up. I got I got,
Speaker 1: you know, I got My DV coach is blah blah
Speaker 1: blah that I brought up from the scouting department and
Speaker 1: now he's my DV coach.
Speaker 2: Huh no kind of but no, no credibility none.
Speaker 1: So now when he tells you like you you can't
Speaker 1: even relate the game to me, like it's something that's
Speaker 1: not going on, that's not being translated.
Speaker 3: When I'm seeing every corner, every dB.
Speaker 1: Except for a few, when they get beat, first thing
Speaker 1: they do is look back.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody grabbed like stop. That's when d We're gonna
Speaker 2: have that. That's what we gotta y. Literally, it's eyes.
Speaker 2: It's straight eyes in the metingrom. We're doing it the
Speaker 2: whole time.
Speaker 3: And if you're doing that in practice, you're not going
Speaker 3: to get in the game.
Speaker 2: No, that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3: You're gonna do if you practice doing that. Kid, stop
Speaker 3: looking back crazy. I'm having dudes boxing gloves.
Speaker 2: I'm treating them like kid until you get that credibility.
Speaker 3: Way. Okay, you showing me you know how to play? Okay,
Speaker 3: I might give you a.
Speaker 1: Little everybody coward did, dude, everybody think coward.
Speaker 3: You earned what everything was.
Speaker 1: Ye you were if you was a first rounder or round,
Speaker 1: you earned everything. And that's when it came time around that.
Speaker 1: Like I said that thirteen fourteen timeframe, bruh, guys were
Speaker 1: giving it. Hey, you my first rounder. You you're my
Speaker 1: first rounder. Here here, guys, go ahead, get out there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna fix whatever it is we need to adjust
Speaker 1: so you can play.
Speaker 2: See, I ain't gonna lie to you coming out of
Speaker 2: that Belichick. I had Eric man Jinny and I was
Speaker 2: a first round pick and he did not give me nothing.
Speaker 2: I didn't start until game week six. I was special
Speaker 2: teams four phase guy, working my ass learning and then
Speaker 2: on me find it showing I'm like this, I'm going
Speaker 2: to show you I deserve it. I get in that
Speaker 2: thing after the sixth game of the season, I never
Speaker 2: come back out. But you gotta just you're not just Joe.
Speaker 2: You're Joe Hayden.
Speaker 3: First round pick. Here, you go about that.
Speaker 2: We won't care about none of that because unless you
Speaker 2: Sheldon Brown, Eric Wright.
Speaker 1: No, that's college. There's like, that's college. You did that
Speaker 1: in college. Somebody here, you gotta show me some here.
Speaker 1: M H'm not about to just hand this to you.
Speaker 1: They talking about the head coaching job for Pittsburgh. They
Speaker 1: got a rank that's the third. They got Ravens one
Speaker 1: Falcons too. You agree with that? Man? You think Baltimore
Speaker 1: in uh Atlanta is more desirable than Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think only Baltimore. Maybe only Baltimore right now,
Speaker 2: just because they got Lamar, just because they.
Speaker 3: Got real, real disrespectful right now. But brother, the brother, brother, brother, brother.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I mean, look, we don't got no
Speaker 2: coach either, So I mean trying.
Speaker 1: That's what it is for the head coaching job. When
Speaker 1: you want to be able to come in there and
Speaker 1: say I can't bring coach.
Speaker 3: I could pick my quarterback.
Speaker 1: I could do what I want to and I'm not
Speaker 1: stuck saying that I need to have. You got to
Speaker 1: keep the OC because that is a defense all right,
Speaker 1: offense that is ran totally different than what the regular
Speaker 1: offenses are ran in the NFL, because you will have
Speaker 1: a quarterback that is a running back in a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Now you're you're cutting your You're cutting yourself down.
Speaker 1: To have to pick a backup that is that is
Speaker 1: something him or exactly like him.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm look, I'm look me. I'm not turning down.
Speaker 2: I mean, Lamar is still Lamar Jackson. And if you
Speaker 2: understand with it, and if that's your type of offense,
Speaker 2: that you know what I'm saying. You are the type
Speaker 2: of offense that runs that. You are the type of
Speaker 2: head coach that likes the r p o s that
Speaker 2: likes to do that.
Speaker 3: And you're a big defensive guy too. So I think
Speaker 3: that could be a.
Speaker 2: Fit where that coach could be like, hey, I do
Speaker 2: have Lamar Jackson, but at the same time, I'm with
Speaker 2: you to at Pittsburgh where I can pick whatever quarterback
Speaker 2: I do want. We don't really have one there, Like
Speaker 2: go talk to what what leadership role, What what?
Speaker 3: What ability do I have to bring in whoever I want?
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm going, I'm I'm still I'm still. I'm
Speaker 1: still thinking. It's still the job is not you're going
Speaker 1: agree with that. I'm going to still the first I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta put in my I gotta put in
Speaker 1: my my requests for interview and all that. So when
Speaker 1: I do, you know, when I do that and everything,
Speaker 1: I'll let you know how to how to process. Go please,
Speaker 1: I like I said, listen, I'm I'm going I'm going
Speaker 1: to make I'm going to make my job so easy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire the coldest position coaches and coordinators around.
Speaker 3: I want to make my job as easy as possible
Speaker 3: as a head coach.
Speaker 1: I do not care who gets the credit because at
Speaker 1: the end, I'm going to get the credit because I
Speaker 1: hired them and put it in a show. Okay, I understand.
Speaker 1: I don't listen. I do not want teachers. I want
Speaker 1: professors of the game. You understand what I'm saying that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not promoting from within. That's gonna look
Speaker 1: No unless you done showed me something, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: pluck somebody from I'm going to pluck them out of
Speaker 1: the sky.
Speaker 3: You come on over here, you come thank you, come
Speaker 3: on over here, dou Hey, what you know about a college?
Speaker 3: What do you think about a college? What about that
Speaker 3: college football coach?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 3: Now I'm talking about Indiana too nice too.
Speaker 1: He from PA and he from p A Hey, but
Speaker 1: you got to be able to get him to leave.
Speaker 1: He already said he ain't leaving, and that meant it
Speaker 1: sounded like he a man of his word right now.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, sound like a person
Speaker 1: that it has a conviction if look, you know, he
Speaker 1: makes his players, hold his players accountable.
Speaker 2: I tell you one thing, and that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: He's over He looked like he's no, he's not boy.
Speaker 3: I like him. Hey, listen, we gonna give it a shot.
Speaker 1: This could be a This could be one of those
Speaker 1: chances where we go ahead, talk to him. Get hey,
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do to get him to at
Speaker 1: least come on through, do an interview. You listen, you
Speaker 1: could be here next twenty five thirty year coach here.
Speaker 1: I like what he's doing over there in Indiana.
Speaker 3: Now, I love what he's doing over there.
Speaker 1: I like what he's doing over there, like, hey, he
Speaker 1: he came from the basement too. People make everybody enter.
Speaker 1: That's why he make them earning. Yep, that's why he
Speaker 1: make them earning. Look here, man, we got a playoff
Speaker 1: game two. We got the Bears over there with the Rams,
Speaker 1: the playoff game, Bro.
Speaker 3: Game History, Joe. Hey, we got a video.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Look at the Blizzard conditions right now, Michigan. Baby, See
Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling you. I'm I'm I'm the lean.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey boy.
Speaker 5: Man, Matthew Stafford hurt his little finger, too cool. His
Speaker 5: thing is gonna be tingling, Bro. They are not They
Speaker 5: are not looking good in cold weather.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: You're talking about what they say zero the negative ten wind.
Speaker 3: Chill something like that. Let me chell you many mile
Speaker 3: an hour, gus.
Speaker 1: And they said the Rams, I ain't playing a game
Speaker 1: below fifty off season one in eight fifty completion for Stafford,
Speaker 1: the eight record, fourteen touchdowns, eleven interceptions.
Speaker 2: Brother, dang, yeah, man, that's why I look. And it's colder.
Speaker 2: It looks freezing out there. And my man hit his
Speaker 2: his a pointer finger off his throwing hand.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be that might help him because this is
Speaker 3: gonna be nominant. Man, deebo, I'm not I'm not rocking
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: What's the coldest weather game you ever played?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 3: I know what mine is. I think it was against y'all.
Speaker 2: Man. I know I played in Cleveland, like negative three.
Speaker 3: Bruh. It was the game. I want to say.
Speaker 1: It was like two thousand and eight or something in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: It was like wind hell snow is.
Speaker 1: Freezing off the lake, Bro, and everybody out there they
Speaker 1: talking about, Man, it's so cold. Man. It's cold as
Speaker 1: this is that man, And I'm like, man, y'all shut
Speaker 1: up in except around here.
Speaker 3: I been here, I live here.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 3: This ain't nothing. Man. BRO. When I say I stepped
Speaker 3: out that tunnel.
Speaker 1: And the tea, it felt like real life needles, yes,
Speaker 1: sticking through my arm.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: We had a you get fined thousand dollars. You were
Speaker 1: sleeve run. If it wasn't for me talking so reckless
Speaker 1: and crazy, I almost turned around immediately and went back
Speaker 1: into the locker room.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure you had none of you couldn't. You didn't.
Speaker 3: I couldn't all that. I couldn't, bruh. That is the
Speaker 3: only game we lost. We lost.
Speaker 1: You lost, and I did not give a fiddle faddle.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get off that field because even a halftime. Bro,
Speaker 1: you know how you get in there at halftime and
Speaker 1: when you're hot, you feel the heat coming off your body.
Speaker 1: I felt the ice rising. I felt cold like I
Speaker 1: was in a freezer from the cold and it's rising
Speaker 1: off my body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that.
Speaker 2: That's that. That's that weather. It's no joke. I don't
Speaker 2: I can't stand the cold. So we just be out there,
Speaker 2: but you better get it three and out so I
Speaker 2: can get over to that heated bench.
Speaker 3: Please listen, bro, we was going over there on timeouts.
Speaker 3: You no, for sure, thirty second timeouts, Joe. I ain't
Speaker 3: never did that day in my life. Bro.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting, Bro, I'm looking at debo. I was doing
Speaker 2: that the whole time, waiting for the looking at the reft,
Speaker 2: waiting to blow the whistle.
Speaker 1: So as you come out there, Hey, we got TV
Speaker 1: or not? We got t ain't about to leave? We
Speaker 1: got TV or not? We're rolling or we got this
Speaker 1: or that man on.
Speaker 2: The field with the gloves or not.
Speaker 3: You want to feel with the gloves. I'm on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Washington Morris gloves right there, Joe, Yes, man, we gotta
Speaker 1: get to this man. It's twelve ten, man, Oh you
Speaker 1: know what time it is. Play a fad, all right, Joe.
Speaker 1: You know how it works. You play it or you faded?
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I got Josh Allen over here, buff more on Russian.
Speaker 1: I already know that he go do what he gotta do.
Speaker 1: He goes scramble, get loose on that thing he got,
Speaker 1: got purty, he go he go throw a pick.
Speaker 3: That's just what he do.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: He had gunslinger, he you know.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, like last week when the
Speaker 1: tight end didn't relate and come down on that route. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he gonna have some issues where you know
Speaker 1: where that may happen.
Speaker 3: C J. I'm gonna say he gonna have more on rushing.
Speaker 1: The reason I say he's gonna have Russian is I
Speaker 1: believe they probably told him you cannot turn the ball
Speaker 1: over if you don't do anything else. Take off off,
Speaker 1: do not do not. Do not turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you get sack. Do not throw
Speaker 1: the ball into a ill avised situation.
Speaker 3: That is the only way that they're going to have.
Speaker 1: A chance to be able to beat New England in
Speaker 1: New England now and the other one.
Speaker 3: We just talked about that. Oh that is obvious. Less,
Speaker 3: that's less. Let's what you go do, Joe.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna play this. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: play this, and I'm gonna just be watching because once
Speaker 2: the first once my man if c j strout, my.
Speaker 3: Good man gets over ten and a half.
Speaker 2: This joint is good as were good as one good
Speaker 2: a watching this strout after that man's were getting the bucks.
Speaker 3: Listen, your boy, Joe, go play with your boy. Don't
Speaker 3: put out there.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure your guys download that after day and
Speaker 1: use their code debout Joe, Yes in lineups, after you
Speaker 1: play your first five dollar lineup. All right, look here
Speaker 1: we got some super chats. We got Kenneth Pile twenty
Speaker 1: seventy nine. He donated five dollars. He said, I say
Speaker 1: they need to hire d boys head coach.
Speaker 3: What do you think of that? Joe? I agree wholeheartedly,
Speaker 3: because yes, gonna do.
Speaker 2: You're gonna yeah, because you want a job, right, you
Speaker 2: know what you don't I know I would like the
Speaker 2: cornerback position.
Speaker 3: I got you know, you in there and you know.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a.
Speaker 2: Coaching boys all the way up, folks show we're gonna
Speaker 2: be out there getting all the picks, and then I
Speaker 2: know you're gonna hire an offensive mine that we need
Speaker 2: to make sure an offense is ran a proper way.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, what we got here? What does that?
Speaker 3: Because the Ruins don't what let me see if it's
Speaker 3: on here.
Speaker 1: Stelson fourteen donated ten dollars said Tomman got a chance
Speaker 1: to be in the Great Coach Conversation because the rumors
Speaker 1: don't fire coaches any other owner and he'd been gone
Speaker 1: by twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: What do you think of that, Joe.
Speaker 2: I would say, I think after they won it in
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, went back to the super Bowl
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, I think the Steelers just the fans
Speaker 2: you get, you get kinda you want to be, you
Speaker 2: want to win every single year.
Speaker 3: I understand that.
Speaker 2: I can say twenty twenty, he's I think it's I
Speaker 2: think it's right about time. Could have been two years,
Speaker 2: could have been last year, maybe the year before, but
Speaker 2: right now I think it's a grateful time for him
Speaker 2: to gracefully ballow out like it is what it is.
Speaker 2: I think he did he did it long enough at
Speaker 2: a great pace where it's not great base but just
Speaker 2: you know, you were making the playoffs, you were doing good,
Speaker 2: you won a Super Bowl, brought you back to another one.
Speaker 2: Since twenty ten, so it's been a minute. So I
Speaker 2: think it right now is the time that it's time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I personally I don't know about twenty but I
Speaker 1: think it should have been done.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I think it should have been a little a little sooner.
Speaker 1: We got diamond for underscore. One donated five dollars. Said,
Speaker 1: I like Brian Florash for head coach. Nate what is
Speaker 1: that Silhouse for oc raheem Moors for DC her Dad
Speaker 1: tremblest or Taylor Green for to complete, to complete, to
Speaker 1: compete with Will for quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I like, I like, I like
Speaker 1: floor Ass, but I.
Speaker 3: Like him as a as a coordinator, as d C. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like him as a d C. I'm with you,
Speaker 3: Uh you know that as the head coach? Yeah, what
Speaker 3: are you thinking, Nate? That's the o C. Nate?
Speaker 2: Sure, where's Nate at shell House?
Speaker 3: It's sill.
Speaker 1: It's it's like shoe but it's it's too so it's
Speaker 1: shell has Where is he out of us?
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's why I was asking where. I
Speaker 3: don't know where. No house is either.
Speaker 2: Rams Okay, okay, okay, Hey, that's look for offensive coordina.
Speaker 2: I want if you learn from m Let's see what McVeigh.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that that that that
Speaker 1: don't don't give me that instant, But it.
Speaker 3: Don't give you that instant. That's what we need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need I need I need that
Speaker 1: instant as soon as I hear the name, as soon
Speaker 1: as I think like, I need that, and I just
Speaker 1: you know, we got Mike, and Mike donated Mike and
Speaker 1: Mike dashed one hundred donated ten bucks.
Speaker 3: Said, what's up, d one Joe.
Speaker 1: That's the next Steeler coach last as long as Timlin did?
Speaker 1: Or do they have to step down a few seasons
Speaker 1: if they can.
Speaker 3: Get a ring.
Speaker 1: After a few seasons, Or do they have to step
Speaker 1: down after a few seasons if they can't get a ring?
Speaker 1: Hell no, listen, I'm trying to tell y'all the next
Speaker 1: coach with me. I'm giving me five years, give me,
Speaker 1: I'm giving me time to build up for the first
Speaker 1: three and then after that I got to see grave improvements. Indeed,
Speaker 1: that's what I got it, that's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: I'm rocking with that. But and this is what you don't.
Speaker 2: You need to see like a legitimate change, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, the legitimate Like I need to see
Speaker 2: the culture change.
Speaker 3: And like if I like the.
Speaker 2: Way that when the Patriots they ended up getting rid
Speaker 2: of Belichick and then my man, what's my man name,
Speaker 2: Jared Mayo, he went out there for a year and
Speaker 2: they went four and thirteen, and he's like they had
Speaker 2: Bell Belichick for twenty years and he quickly was able
Speaker 2: to fire Mayo because it just wasn't what he was
Speaker 2: with and now able to hire the coach they have now, Rabel.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I think the Steelers are going to
Speaker 2: have to do a really good job of really like
Speaker 2: this the guy that you're gonna be with, because they
Speaker 2: don't really having to pick the guy too many times,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to be able to find that guy.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you gotta realize it ain't nobody.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's nobody in that workmization right now
Speaker 1: that actually went through the process of finally, uh, coach
Speaker 1: t or that was truly.
Speaker 3: Involved in it. So that's the point where it's like
Speaker 3: coaches aren't easy.
Speaker 2: When you find the man that you really kind of
Speaker 2: believe in, you gotta gotta stick to us.
Speaker 3: I'm respect I don't, I don't know you.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a problem that that a
Speaker 1: lot of like coaches have, especially with their higher drave choices.
Speaker 1: They stick with him until it's too late, and they
Speaker 1: stick with him too long, so they'll just hold on
Speaker 1: to him, knowing that after year or two that's not
Speaker 1: what they want or need, but instead of letting go,
Speaker 1: they'll hold on to him to.
Speaker 2: The being like, look, they got to be able to
Speaker 2: say I messed up.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys, A lot of guys won't do that.
Speaker 1: I mean some some some some guys. Do you see
Speaker 1: guys getting up out of there, you see a first
Speaker 1: round or that you know, year after year or two
Speaker 1: he done went to two three other teams and you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, but you gotta be willing and ready
Speaker 1: to do that in the mid fault and when that happens.
Speaker 3: I don't think we had that. I know ain't had that.
Speaker 1: I mean we held on to guys for for longer
Speaker 1: than we we should have. And we know that because
Speaker 1: we didn't re sign up to long term deals. We
Speaker 1: just held on to them because it was there, and
Speaker 1: you know, so on and so forth. So South still
Speaker 1: has thirty six donated two bucks. Said Deebo, are you
Speaker 1: serious about d C? No, I am not serious about
Speaker 1: d C. He said, you got my vote. I'm serious
Speaker 1: about head coach. I ain't coming in there. I ain't
Speaker 1: coming in there on no bottom, I ain't coming in
Speaker 1: on the side.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't be on the side. Gotta be
Speaker 3: on I gotta. I gotta be on top because I got.
Speaker 1: To put the people in place to make sure that
Speaker 1: everything flows smoothly.
Speaker 3: Your staff, it's gonna be automatic.
Speaker 1: Your staff has to be sitting there and buying into
Speaker 1: what it is you're doing and everybody else is doing.
Speaker 1: We got to be speaking the same language. Got to
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. Nobody can be saying something different.
Speaker 1: I know it was times where it was coaches where
Speaker 1: they were saying two different things about the same play.
Speaker 3: You can't have that.
Speaker 2: You can now, that's as a thing as us recipe fulfilm.
Speaker 1: I did it this way or I think you should
Speaker 1: do it that way. It's the I think you should
Speaker 1: do it this way ones that kill me because you
Speaker 1: ain't played the game. How you gonna tell me how
Speaker 1: to do it? You ain't even never went out here
Speaker 1: and did it. That's why I need a coach that
Speaker 1: played the position that I played and did it successfully.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I think you should do
Speaker 1: it this way is crazy, Like I dude, I just don't.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't want to. I don't understand that. Dude. Right, Oh,
Speaker 3: d we had twenty coach. Yeah, let's get up out it. Hey.
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Speaker 3: Baby. Hey, Joe, Yes, got to say, Joe say.
Speaker 2: I will see y'all on Monday on another episode of
Speaker 2: Debo and Joe.
Speaker 1: Hey, we're about to watch these games this weekend. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be right back on this thing on Monday. Letting
Speaker 1: y'all know how go y'all know how we break it down.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all, Come, y'all, come, y'all,
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