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Speaker 1: Welcome back to D Boy and Joe. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: James D. Bo Harrison. I'm here with my co hosts

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Speaker 1: Joe Hayden. Please make sure your life and subscribe. You

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Speaker 2: How you're doing the day, Joe bro I'm doing I'm

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Speaker 2: doing pretty good. Debo, I'm doing good. Another day the

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Speaker 2: Lord has made. But honestly, with Coach T stepping off,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was I was a little I was

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Speaker 2: a little emotional. I'm happy if we're gonna get into it.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy with how it happened and how he's able

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Speaker 2: to walk away. But you know, I legitimately, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying that it hit me for a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But I rock with Coach T big time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, with with all the you know, all the

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Speaker 1: stuff coming out. You know, he's the all time, He's

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Speaker 1: one of the all time greats and all that.

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Speaker 3: Do you do you agree with that? Do you disagree

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Speaker 3: with that? This is?

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Speaker 1: You know, hold up before you answer that, though, I

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Speaker 1: also want to know what's your measurement for all time.

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Speaker 3: That That's what I have to tell you too.

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Speaker 2: When we have the conversation of all time grades, that's

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Speaker 2: the same conversation I feel like I have when we

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Speaker 2: talk about Hall of Fame, like is he in the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame? There's different classes? Are we talking like

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan? You know what I'm saying, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James,

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Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving is in that same Hall of Fame, But

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Speaker 2: I feel like there might be a different class.

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Speaker 3: So when we talk about the greatest coach.

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Speaker 2: Of all time, I don't think Mike Tomlin might not

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Speaker 2: go now it's the greatest coach of all time.

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Speaker 3: No, there's plenty of coach.

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Speaker 2: You can go with Bill Belichick, you can go with

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Speaker 2: Chuck No, you can go with other coaches for sure

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Speaker 2: that are in a different class that you could.

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Speaker 3: Say that they have done it in a way higher level.

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Speaker 2: But when we talk about greatness, when we talk about

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame status, I don't like to bash coach

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Speaker 2: Tomlin and put another man down to raise another man up.

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Speaker 2: So I would say, when you say greatest of all time,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, you know what I'm saying, hall

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Speaker 2: of fame is why I say, yes, he's in the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame for sure, Like there's a room for

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Speaker 2: the Lebron James and the Michael Jordan's in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame. But still Kyrie Irving is a Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame player and that's why I put it where like

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Speaker 2: Bill Bellich check Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You can put greatness of other coaches that are better

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Speaker 2: than him, that I've seen before, that have done it to.

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Speaker 3: The greatest level.

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Speaker 2: But when you say it's Goes Tomlin a great coach,

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Speaker 2: I can say, yes, he's a great coach. Maybe not

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Speaker 2: the greatest of all time. There's plenty of other coaches

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Speaker 2: you can pick, but I can put him. I can

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Speaker 2: put him in that class. I can put him in

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Speaker 2: that room. So with me, I think he is a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame coach. I think he's a great coach.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the best coach. He's the best football

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Speaker 2: NFL football coach that I've ever played for. So there's

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Speaker 2: certain people that played for you played for other coaches,

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Speaker 2: but for me personally, I played for Eric Mangini, I

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Speaker 2: played for Pat Shermer, I played for Rob Chaczinski. I

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Speaker 2: played for Mike Pedton, and I played for Hugh Jackson.

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Speaker 2: And then when I went to the Steelers. I played

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Speaker 2: for Mike Tomlin. Out of my NFL career, I played

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Speaker 2: twelve years in the league. I would like to call

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Speaker 2: myself a great NFL player, a dude that comes in

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Speaker 2: there and does his job at a very high level.

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Speaker 2: My best coach ever, by far, was Mike Tomlin. I

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Speaker 2: never went into a game ill prepared. I felt like

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Speaker 2: when I was there, he gave us the keys to victory.

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Speaker 2: He let us know the winning edge. I never had

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Speaker 2: a winning edge meeting with the head coach before, where

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Speaker 2: you would go and meet with just the dbs and

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Speaker 2: of while we're running these plays, while we're doing these

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Speaker 2: certain schemes, and what to expect so for in my position,

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Speaker 2: Coach Tomlin, great coach, great leader of men, great raw

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Speaker 2: raw his team meetings, the way that he did that

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Speaker 2: stuff nineteen years thirteen player for appearances, seven AFC championships

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Speaker 2: I like the way that he was able to I

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Speaker 2: think at the same time both two things could be right.

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Speaker 2: I think his time was up in Pittsburgh for sure,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: and you start hearing the booze, coach Tomlin's not stupid.

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Speaker 2: He's not blow or death when he's been hearing the

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Speaker 2: rumblings for years of all these play all these eight

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Speaker 2: hundred seasons aren't good enough for us.

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Speaker 3: This isn't going to be good enough. So him to

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Speaker 2: There and keep it where TJ. Watt, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Heigh Smith. I don't think dudes really knew that he

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Speaker 2: was probably about to leave. But to go in there,

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Speaker 2: keep it going, still make the playoffs, and then once

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Speaker 2: the season was over and they didn't.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't been doing as well as he should have

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Speaker 2: He gracefully bowed out, told him like Rooney, I'm ready

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Speaker 2: to step off. I'm ready to go, Like this isn't

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Speaker 2: really what's going on for me. So I think it

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Speaker 2: was his time to go. I loved the way he

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Speaker 2: force his way to come back next year and do

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. I think coach he liked to be

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Speaker 2: in there. Loves win, love feeling wanted, likes when you

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Speaker 3: For you, to room for you.

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Speaker 2: But the back end of the fans and hearing what

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Speaker 2: was going on and seven straight years of them not

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Speaker 2: winning any playoff games. That's real, live, that's happening on

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Speaker 2: the football field. So him taking some accountability for that

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Speaker 2: a great coach. But there's levels to greatness, and I

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Speaker 2: can say how other people could think. There's other great coaches.

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Speaker 2: But in my eyes and from my perspective of knowing

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Speaker 2: how to go into the games, what he gave me

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Speaker 2: when I.

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Speaker 3: Was there, I love that man. And yeah, so that's

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Speaker 3: what it is with me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're not saying the greatest to one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest.

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Speaker 3: To ever do it? Right? No?

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Speaker 1: No, okay, all right, that's all right. I'm cool with

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Speaker 1: you on that. Now, great, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say I can agree with you on that. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The reason I can't agree with you on that is

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Speaker 1: because I feel that just looking at what I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: right now from guys saying, you know, you know, coach

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Speaker 1: Tomlin is the greatest coach to ever do it, one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest to ever do it. He's a leader

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Speaker 1: of men, you know, blah blah blah, all all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I will agree with him. He is a leader of men.

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Speaker 1: But to be a good coach, you have to be

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Speaker 1: a leader of men. The guys have to respect you.

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Speaker 1: They have to know that you're what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: That the decisions that you make, like you said, going

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Speaker 1: into the game, it works, it pans out. You're able

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Speaker 1: to do it. You got to buy into it, Okay.

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Speaker 1: But the major reason I feel a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: is saying he's a great coach is because Coach T

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Speaker 1: is a awe time great motivator.

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he is a all time great motivator. He has

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Speaker 1: the gift of gad that's coach T okay. And he's

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Speaker 1: great at getting guys to you know, feel good about

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Speaker 1: their self, boost the confidence, you know, he hitting them

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Speaker 1: with the the tomlinisms and and and all that. You know, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a five star matchup. Because we in it. Standard

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Speaker 1: is the standard. Uh, don't blink. If you blink, peel

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Speaker 1: your eyelids off, you know. On Yeah, and players like

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Speaker 1: like they're taking that motivation and the leader of men

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Speaker 1: and they're calling it greatness. You can be a leader

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Speaker 1: don't have to get the gad. Joe tell you. And

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Speaker 1: I know we're in the game. We're sitting there before

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Speaker 1: the game and we're about to go out, and the

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Speaker 1: coach says, hey, so and so, get up and do

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Speaker 1: the pregame before we walk out in the first yourself.

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Speaker 3: Is hell, not him.

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Speaker 1: Him. It's not that he is not a leader of men.

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Speaker 1: Nine times out of ten, he got that.

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Speaker 1: But his motivation game is trash. And to me, a

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Speaker 3: And that's mentor.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about personal and emotional, because that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from a lot of guys. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about you learned enough from this person that they took

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Speaker 1: your teachings, your guidance and went on to become a

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Speaker 3: I e a coaching tree.

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Speaker 1: It's been almost twenty years and Mike T don't have

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Speaker 3: Why is that, Joe, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You got no answer, You have no answer why he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a coaching tree after being in the NFL

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Speaker 1: almost twenty years. But he is one of the all

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Speaker 1: time greats. And no owner, no TM, nobody has cam

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Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I want one of your

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Speaker 1: coaches that are under you, and I want that for

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Speaker 1: my team. I can use that person to lead my team,

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Speaker 1: to lead my defense, to leave my offense. Can I

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Speaker 1: ask you this? Can I ask you this at the

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Speaker 1: same as the same time. Must men you back with

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Speaker 1: one question?

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Speaker 2: I'm not as sure of the coaching with the hiring process.

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Speaker 2: Are these all coach T's Is he he brings in

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Speaker 2: the coach I remember? Remember Coach T promotes from within?

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Speaker 3: Okay, no, no, I hear, I hear that. I'm just asking.

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Speaker 3: I'm just asking.

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Speaker 2: I'm blind asking because I don't know certain coaches don't

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Speaker 2: have that pool. I don't know where I was at

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Speaker 2: coach coaches was getting fired, gms are staying, gems are staying,

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Speaker 2: coaches are getting fired.

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Speaker 3: So okay, you don't know how I.

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Speaker 2: Don't and I need to know the level of the

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Speaker 2: level of pool makes it easier for me to give accountability.

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Speaker 3: So if you're able to bring in your coaches.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, if you have reason to bring in

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Speaker 2: your coaches, and you do bring in these coaches and

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Speaker 2: then they don't happen to pan out and they're getting

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Speaker 2: fired and they're not treeing off and they're not doing well,

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Speaker 2: then you're then that's stuff that I did not know.

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Speaker 2: So that brings knowledge to me, that puts that on

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Speaker 2: the head coach. I'm thinking more. It got to be

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Speaker 2: everybody's in Cahoo's we gotta it's more than you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It takes more than two to tang up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, no question, but this this is something like I

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Speaker 1: said that I know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you don't. You don't have an answer for that. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they agreeable, right, Okay, now a snitcher right right,

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Now, the reason this doesn't happen is because a lot

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Speaker 1: it's highly unlikely you're going to get in because if

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? Debo stamp? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now we're getting somewhere, Joe. So this is what

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Speaker 3: Would you would you would? Would that make sense to

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a reason.

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Speaker 2: And when you broke down what you just said, that

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Speaker 1: Now you add that to a statement that was released

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Speaker 1: where Art said none of his coaches are up for

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Speaker 3: Okay, would you would would you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: But I would say he made Look if you don't

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Speaker 3: Okay, the things we're not good, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Like I could say that, you can say, you can

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I can say that. I can say I

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Speaker 2: can say that if he was accountable for hiring these

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Speaker 3: But yes, yes, So so at.

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Speaker 1: Some point we had almost six seven eight openings and

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, uh, fuck his name? You know what I'm

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Speaker 1: Right, So now they go with the oh, he's did

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Speaker 1: so Oh, he's did so much with so little. Right, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I give him credit because that's what the coach good

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, but I also have to take credit away

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Speaker 1: because he's been there nineteen years and he's one hundred

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Speaker 3: For that roster. I got my kind of thing, man,

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Speaker 3: that's all. That's okay.

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Speaker 1: And like the Ravens owner said, he said, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: Mum hmm. That was that. That was how he operated.

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Speaker 1: And I honestly I don't have a problem with that

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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna head coach. Yeah, I'm the one that's

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Speaker 3: If this goes wrong. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Who's who's when we just right before Omar we had

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Speaker 1: I would say sometime between thirteen to fifteen, Coach T

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we ain't want to playoff games since what

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Speaker 3: Why why is that? Why an't you give more guys extensions?

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Speaker 2: That was God was a good pick Chase he got hurt,

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Speaker 1: We had fifteen altogether, only two of them got long

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Speaker 1: it's no, it's not. It's not it's not. But a

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Speaker 1: great coach. Made made made those made those decisions, and

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Speaker 1: and he got all that power.

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Speaker 3: You can't really.

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Speaker 1: Let that go because if you let that go in

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Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying that you can't blame it

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Speaker 2: that that's smart.

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Speaker 3: If you see you.

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Speaker 1: Got smart, that's what I'm saying. That's a good coach.

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Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you. Yes, Okay. Now he went in

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Speaker 1: He was brought in under Kowar. But you got Ben

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Speaker 1: the new system. That wouldn't be a good decision. That's

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Speaker 1: very smart on his behalf. That is a good coaching decision.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I give him credit for that. Okay, good, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Those are Bill Coward's players.

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Speaker 1: And that again is another reason why I believe he

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Speaker 1: I think Woodley was was was one, and Timmys I

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Speaker 1: think was rotating with foot.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, Okay.

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Speaker 1: The one we went back and we ended up losing,

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Speaker 2: Joe, I would say, the two years you're correct, this sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Told it on us and we gave up forty five points.

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Speaker 3: So I think those.

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Speaker 2: Two years sixteen seventeen that bad bad luck, bad luck.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hold up, great teams, bad luck, all right.

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Speaker 2: So from that point on after you said that, from

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Speaker 3: Then i'm a few things we didn't look good.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's when coach he started realizing that

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Speaker 1: Now hold on, I want you to, I want you to,

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Speaker 1: I want you to think about this. Now, what year

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Speaker 2: You got there in seventeen, right, I got there at seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So from fifteen until eighteen, the offense was never

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Speaker 3: You talking about offense.

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Speaker 3: And didn't even make it one year to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Along with that, as you said, you came in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: As you just said.

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Speaker 1: And we had a sixth defense in twenty eighteen, and

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Speaker 3: But got it.

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Speaker 1: You don't even make the playoffs. But again you're saying,

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Speaker 3: Not all time, that's what he's a great. He's a great,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you don't see this as maybe a dismantlement.

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Speaker 2: It's no, no, no, no, no. Look, the coaches come in

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00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: the league like for the consistency is still something we

442
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: can't say, like he underput you. We could say he

443
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 2: underperformed in some of these years. It should have been

444
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: more super Bowls than not. He did go to the

445
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 2: big game and win it. You say it was the

446
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 2: other people's team. You still got to go out there

447
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: and coach.

448
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: You still be able to leave him the whole season everything,

449
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: keep them motivated.

450
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 3: Keep them going. So all that stuff is difficult.

451
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: It's difficult to do when you go with no years

452
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: of having Duck Hodges. Then when people start getting hurt

453
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Speaker 2: and I'm just saying, no matter who's there, you coach,

454
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Speaker 2: that's what you're saying. When he's getting more, if that's

455
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: his right, he's getting more, we're gonna give him more reason, Okay, right,

456
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: he's getting more with less.

457
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: We can say that.

458
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Speaker 1: It was times where they're like, oh, the Stills won't

459
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and Stillers make the playoffs and get

460
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: popped out in the first round. He got more with less,

461
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: but he get way less with far more. A great coach,

462
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: don't do that, Joe, great coach don't do that, Joe, Joe,

463
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: you came from Cleveland knocking you and nothing like that.

464
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Speaker 3: But you went from Cleveland to what you had to

465
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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin.

466
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Speaker 1: I went from Bill Cower, Mike Tomlin to uh so,

467
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: Cincinnati with Lewis and then my last ended up coming

468
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: back to the Stillers and then finishing off with with Belichick.

469
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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So what would you rank your coaches?

470
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Speaker 2: Where would you rank the order of Mike Tomlin with them,

471
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Speaker 2: with them, with those other coaches.

472
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Speaker 3: I would rank.

473
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Speaker 1: Bill oh well, hold on, I would rank Belichick, Coyle, Tomlin,

474
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: and then.

475
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Lewis. Okay, that's where I would rank him. Okay.

476
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Speaker 1: Now he's a good coach, Okay. A good coach finds

477
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Speaker 1: a way to motivate his player, to lead his players, okay, and.

478
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: He gets the potential out of his players. Okay.

479
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: But the only problem with motivation, because he's a great motivator,

480
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: is it doesn't last long. It's very inconsistent. Bro It's

481
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: a filling based thing. Motivation is, and that's what we've

482
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: been seeing in Pittsburgh. It is emotional fillings based is

483
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: inconsistent play coaching for the last decade could because our

484
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: coach is a great motivator, not a great coach. Just

485
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: like what you're seeing right now with all these guys

486
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: with these emotional attachments, you being one of the guys,

487
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: included that the it's not performance based on the field,

488
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: it is personal experience and relationship based. You came from

489
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: a situation where you didn't even know what a good

490
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: coach was to now you're seeing that's a great I

491
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: know what great coaches look like.

492
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 3: I know what great coaches look, I know how mean,

493
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 3: I know how they move, I know how they approach.

494
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: I know what my measurement of greatness is.

495
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Speaker 2: A hall of fame coach in your opinion?

496
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: Say what it is?

497
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: Coach to a Hall of fame coach in your opinion? No, okay,

498
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: so now that's yeah, that that's actually crazy. Okay, Yeah,

499
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: so we're we're we're just.

500
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Speaker 1: Saying I can't give him a Hall of Fame coach

501
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: for it's because he hasn't made disciples. You're telling me

502
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: you're a hall of fame coach that no one has

503
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: followed you. Mind that that that can't be the thing.

504
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: He's the only candid coach this loan and does not

505
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: have a Tree Bros.

506
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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say no, no, no,

507
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna not give him

508
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame nod because he's bad at hiring

509
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: offensive offensive coordinators.

510
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: But I talked you think that is a thing that

511
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: he's bad at doing, or do you think that is

512
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: a thing that he purposely does to keep position in power?

513
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: No? No, No, I don't think he's self sabotages.

514
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't saying your self sabotage if you're hiring.

515
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 2: That, if you're hiring other coaches that aren't good enough,

516
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: because you're neither.

517
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: Going to take the spotlight out of Aha? Is it

518
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: enough spotlight? Is it enough spotlight?

519
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: No? Is that what you were saying?

520
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, Joe, is it enough spotlight to go around?

521
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: You gotta realize a lot of coaches when they get

522
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: this head coach thing, it's a lot of ego that

523
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: go with that. It's a lot of ego that go

524
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: with that. Okay, No, a great coach, dude, Like the

525
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: measurement of greatness like it's not based on personal experiences

526
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: and relationship you have with them. It is purely on

527
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: what you did as a coach. Did you get champions

528
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: what disciples? Yes, wins and losses is great and losses

529
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: have to add.

530
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Speaker 3: Up to championships. Brother, he has a ship.

531
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm the greatest of all time as a

532
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: linebacker because.

533
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: I got two Super Bowls. No, no, no, no, that's what

534
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying. That's what you're saying.

535
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't like I don't he But why not?

536
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: He went to the playoffs thirteen times out of his

537
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: nineteen seasons he went. He won the AFC championship seven times.

538
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: How many times did he win? One? He won?

539
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: We're not saying that he's the great.

540
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. How many playoff games did he win?

541
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Speaker 1: Because when you look at the greats, the measurement of

542
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: greatness for all time greats, like everybody is saying right now,

543
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: nobody has a negative postseason record. And I can go

544
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: back back, like you go back to George Hallis six

545
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: and three, you go back to Don Shuler nineteen and seventeen.

546
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: It's still better than what he had. That like even

547
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: Paul Brown ninety eight, Bill Belichick thirty one and thirteen,

548
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: bro Andy Reid twenty eight and seventeen.

549
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: Like you want to hear what's Timelin's playoff record?

550
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: We have?

551
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: We have at least we have one, Bud, Gret, can

552
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 3: you tell me? Can you tell me what Thomas playoff record? No?

553
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: I don't know, why now because what is it? What

554
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: is it?

555
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: Eight and twelve?

556
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: Huh? What is it? Which is playoff record? You don't

557
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: know what.

558
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I don't know it.

559
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: What is it? But that's a measure. But hall of

560
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 3: Fame he fough the Hall of Fame record, he met

561
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: playoff record debo. I don't know, Joe, I don't know.

562
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: You don't know either.

563
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: You said it was because of playoffs, But I'm just

564
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: trying to figure out. I mean, if you're gonna are

565
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: you one number? I mean, look, he won a ship.

566
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: He hasn't had more losing seasons than winning season.

567
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: You're not gonna win.

568
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: It every year. One team is going to win twelve, bro,

569
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: he eight and twelve? Oh that's what I thought. It

570
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: was a twelve.

571
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: One team's gonna win it.

572
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: So him being right into the dance, Like, why, okay,

573
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: so a Hall.

574
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: Of Fame listen, Joe, So a Hall of Fame coach

575
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: should be making history for maybe having the longest losing

576
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: streak and playoff history since it began. You're tied with UH,

577
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: with with with UH Marvin Lewis as the longest head

578
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: coach to NFL history.

579
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: You're tired.

580
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: That's the longest Logan Street seven games straight. That should

581
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: be that should be a. That's that's a great coach.

582
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: That's a that's definitely not It doesn't. It's not a

583
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: good stat But you got to put the good with

584
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: the bad. You can't just take away all of the

585
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: stuff we said before when he first got out there, you.

586
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 3: Just said hall of fame was because which one is it? Joe,

587
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: He's a Hall of Fame coach because of what?

588
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 2: Because that he's went because we went nineteen seasons with

589
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: zero losing records.

590
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen.

591
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: That's just not easy when you you just overshadow that,

592
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Thirteen he did go to

593
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: the playoffs thirteen times. He did go to the super

594
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: Bowl two times he did were.

595
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been his record is better than eight

596
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: because it was one hundred and ninety eight.

597
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: He's won one hundred and ninety two of a Pittsburgh Stiller.

598
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: He's one hundred and ninety two and one hundred and fourteen.

599
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 4: So he's better than eight and eight. His overall record

600
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 4: is better than eight and eight, and he's won a

601
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 4: super Bowl.

602
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: So I under if you have time, it's his time. Well,

603
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm still not saying it's not his time to go.

604
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: Like his time is good.

605
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not his time to go. I'm

606
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: talking about great. Yes, what's his hall of same qualification?

607
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: For me? For you? I just was giving it to you.

608
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep you want me to keep saying the

609
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: same thing over and over again.

610
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: You said playoff record, then you said, I said, he

611
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: went to the he's playing.

612
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: He was a coach nineteen years, right, thirteen playoff appearances,

613
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: seven AFC championships, two super Bowl appearances, one super Bowl victory.

614
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so anybody that wins the Super Bowl should be

615
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: a great coach.

616
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: Whoever keeps this long line longevity of consistency of winning,

617
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: keeping a team in the in the fight. You got

618
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: a dog, have a dog in the fight.

619
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 1: So you gotta have nineteen years, and you gotta no, no, no,

620
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: no no, you don't have.

621
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: To have nineteen years. You don't have to have nineteen years.

622
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: He could have done better, he could have done more

623
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: than this. But that's why I'm still saying at the

624
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: same time, that's why he's not the greatest coach of

625
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: all time. But he's a damn sure great coach that

626
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: deserves to be in the Hall of That's all I'm saying.

627
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So again, for me, what I'm seeing, what it's

628
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: being said out here is the emotional attachments these guys

629
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: have to Mike Tomlin, and for me, I didn't have

630
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: that emotional attachment with him.

631
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: I can't respect you the emotion I had.

632
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: If I had stopped playing maybe in two thy twelve,

633
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: I might be one of those guys that was saying

634
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: the same thing.

635
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: Okay, you know why devote because then we speak this too.

636
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: It's a relationship thing you and Coach Tomlin have years

637
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: with each other that at the semi one time we

638
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: were falling, hooping everything. Then another relationship where you like

639
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: you felt like you was probably done dirty, did you wrong,

640
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: said some things, lied, you know what I'm saying. So

641
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: a whole different thing going on where you know what

642
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying, How how can people? Then that's why you

643
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: can sit there and say that it's that that type

644
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: of way me too. At the same way, when I

645
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: wanted to redo my deal, we were talking, Oh yeah, Joe,

646
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna finish your career here, and then all of

647
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: a sudden it went crickets. I could feel some type

648
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: of way like coach.

649
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: See, it's totally different.

650
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: You're saying that, oh you thought you were going to

651
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: finish your career there, and see when what that gives

652
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: me is I have clarity because our relationship was business.

653
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: It was just that it was yeah, okay, So how

654
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: to saying, go, Joe, I lied for you before I

655
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: lie to you.

656
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: Right.

657
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: The number one thing that I was taught about my

658
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: parents is you never lied to me, because if you

659
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: lied to me, I can't help you, and then I

660
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: can't trust you.

661
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

662
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: The first time I know he lied to me was

663
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: twenty ten, but that wasn't the biggest thing because I

664
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: didn't have that relationship with him that I understood it

665
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: was no.

666
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: Obligation for him to tell me the truth.

667
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: But the big thing was the first time I know

668
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: he lied on me, and that was twenty thirteen. M

669
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: And as much as he doesn't say or as much

670
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: as he says he doesn't listen to the outside noise.

671
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: I found that to be a lie. In twenty eighteen.

672
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: You want to know how I know Joe, how you

673
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: know Debo because he texts me he was into his

674
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: feelings though, because I said that.

675
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: Belichick was a better coach than him.

676
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: They asked me a question, and I asked, I was

677
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: on Fox then twenty eighteen.

678
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: Brother, I'll never forget it.

679
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I was on the skipping Shannon and they asked me,

680
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: and I, hey, gave I.

681
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: Gave my opinion. Yeah it was, and why it was? Okay? Now?

682
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: He responded with something like wood Lee was a smarter

683
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: player than you.

684
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: Blah blah. You know what.

685
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't even want I want to give you this verbatim.

686
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: You know that I don't want to. I don't want to.

687
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know you mess words. I don't want to

688
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: mince words and and say and because it is very

689
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: betim matter of fact, like a sa say. It was

690
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. I was doing commentating for Fox, and I

691
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: would go up there like maybe once or twice a

692
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: month and be there for like two three days and

693
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: go on all the shows. You know, do to commentation

694
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: and they'd ask me whatever, da da da da. So

695
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: now this text I get from him, Oh, look you're

696
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: there in twenty eighteen. Yeahat so the text I get

697
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: from him. Here's the crazy thing. It's almost three four

698
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: weeks after it was said. Okay, August seventh, two thy eighteen,

699
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: at one thirty five, Joe, what time do y'all go

700
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: to practice.

701
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: To?

702
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: He saw probably like two, like two two thirty something

703
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: like that. But this is what's on your mind. He's

704
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: watching me on TV. This has gotten to him somehow.

705
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: Here is his text. He says Wood was a smart

706
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: player than you. But I would never say that to

707
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: anybody but you. I'm not with you for what you say.

708
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm always with you because of your relationship with the

709
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: game and what you were willing to do.

710
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: Don't act funny.

711
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: I will always be with you no matter how fucked

712
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: up you are.

713
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 3: Lol.

714
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: Now my response to him was, quote, if you wanted

715
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: to tell the world that I would not be upset,

716
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, just like

717
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm entitled to mine. No disrespect meant by it. It

718
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: was just my honest answer to a question that was asked.

719
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Good luck Thursday. I'll always be with you, no matter

720
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: how fucked up you are. One hundred. Now you're telling

721
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: me someone who doesn't listen to the outside noise is

722
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: texting me that on a Tuesday before he's playing a

723
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: Thursday a game.

724
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: If it's a Tuesday, look it could have been a

725
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: day off tuesdays.

726
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no no. I made sure

727
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: I looked at it. I made sure I looked at it.

728
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't a day off. Okay, it was a Thursday game.

729
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Oh practice. So again, my relationship with him, it is

730
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: totally different. I can separate, I can separate the great

731
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: coach from the great motivator and see it. Guys that

732
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: are in that position now, they still have that emotional

733
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: attachment and that makes them overshadow when you start looking

734
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: at pure numbers, because coaching is something that is based

735
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: on numbers and development, and he does not have the ability,

736
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: because he does not have a coaching tree to actually

737
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: get coaches out and in through his toolage.

738
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: But that's a great coach.

739
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: I think, like, when, why don't you think he would

740
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: just hire? Do you think he's purposely not high?

741
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: Like I just don't lets me know, you feel a

742
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: certain type of way.

743
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 3: He this is.

744
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: This is the one thing I thought I said, I

745
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: might have said it to you. I said, the only

746
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: way Mike tim to get us out of here is

747
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: if he wants to leave. And it was one of

748
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: two things. Okay, it was going to be his ego

749
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: or it was going to be.

750
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: His pride. It was going to be his or his pride.

751
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: Why he why he left, why he would.

752
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: Leave or stay? Okay, okay, his pride is the part

753
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: that would make him leave. He wouldn't be able to

754
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: take the outside noise. He doesn't listen to her, He says,

755
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't hear. His ego would make him stay because

756
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't care what they say. I'm staying. I'll leave

757
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: when I want to leave. And I think maybe the

758
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: pride spoke a little loud, deebo.

759
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: I just say one thing, man, the fact that you

760
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: have you can speak on, like you said, the emotional part,

761
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: and people get really in their feelings and get them

762
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: mostly attached to coach t because like you said, he

763
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: is a great speaker.

764
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: He is a great when they say leader of men.

765
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: But I cause, like when I can only know from

766
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: where I came from, And the one thing too I

767
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: can say is when I was in Florida. When I

768
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 2: was at Florida when we didn't win national championships, Ervin

769
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Meyer was a special teams coach. We had a great

770
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator and Charlie Strong, we had a great offensive

771
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 2: coordinator and a damn mullen. So he like put off

772
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: things to other people that made sure those dudes knew

773
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: exactly what was going on. And you gotta kind of

774
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: give off task and make sure you can't just be

775
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: the only one running the whole kitchen, because it takes

776
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: it takes a village, you know what I'm saying. Your

777
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: GM got to be on your same page with you,

778
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Your coaches got to be on the same page. Your

779
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: owner ship has to be kind of following kind of

780
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: everybody's got to be working together.

781
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm with you on not being emotional.

782
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: On my part is I don't know all the nuances

783
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: of what coach he really had the power to do,

784
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: what pool he had, what say so he had. So

785
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: when I'm coming in, I'm knowing I'm gonna do my

786
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: job and if my coach gives me the tools to

787
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: make sure I can go out there and do what

788
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: I gotta.

789
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: Do to make sure we win.

790
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: And if we don't win, we see why we didn't

791
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: and he gives us the facts and tools and the

792
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: keys the victory. And if we go do this, we're

793
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: gonna go win these games every week.

794
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

795
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: I never went in there ill prepared, So I hear

796
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: what you're saying too. With a great coach, if you're

797
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: really gonna do.

798
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: It, And this is kind of bringing it to me

799
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: where you grand coach, You gotta have the GM right,

800
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: You got to make sure your offense coordinated.

801
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: You got to be able to set people up and put.

802
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: Them in positions to where now that that's kind of

803
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: how you build a tree. How Belichick and how these

804
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: dudes have dudes that are disciples of them because they

805
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: kind of taught them, put them in positions and they

806
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: kind of got it. That's That's the part of where

807
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm always understanding, great coach, is what are you telling

808
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: me to do? Are you making sure I know exactly

809
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: what to do and when I need to do it

810
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: to go win? And then coaching me up to like

811
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: not just bad tape is bad tape. I and the

812
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: sky don't lie being accountable for everybody, like showing the stuff.

813
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: I was with that so I can That part is

814
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: where I say great coach. On the other part is

815
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: where like there's a whole lot more where if you're

816
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 2: not if you're in the GM, aren't on the same page.

817
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: If you're actually the one bringing in the talent, if

818
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: you're bringing in these quarterbacks, signing these guys, drafting these people,

819
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: then the then the then the buck really does have

820
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: to stop on you if everything's not performing, if you're

821
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 2: not getting the best out the people that you hand selected.

822
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: So I'm with you one thousand percent, debo.

823
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: You kind of giving me a lot of more knowledge

824
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: where like I as coaching leader of men, making sure

825
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: I knew what I was doing.

826
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: Great coach as far as bringing in talent.

827
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: Hey, that's what I'm trying to say, Joe. You're saying

828
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: great coach, leader of men, telling me what afact a

829
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: good coach?

830
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: To me, a great.

831
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: Coach gets you beyond what your actual uh uh level

832
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: of play is. Like dick Lebaum. If it wasn't for

833
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: dick Lebone, there is no James Harrison. Dick Lebaux got

834
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: me to play beyond the potential of what James Harrison

835
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: was because he was an undrafted nobody that would be

836
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: nothing but a whole life special teams player. Go to that,

837
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: and you go to Keith Butler, my linebacker coach, the

838
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: greatest linebacker coach I ever had. Okay, he is the

839
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: person that developed me, turn me into what I am,

840
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: made me what I am, showed me how to do

841
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: this job, the nuances of doing it in and out,

842
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: and I played it in Dick Lebo's defense. Okay, and

843
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: that was Taylor made for me, the same defense I

844
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: thought was so hard and difficult for.

845
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: Me to learn. Once I actually sat down, became.

846
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: A truth professional, understood what I needed to do and

847
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: learned it and put it on tape, it was easy

848
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: for me to go out there and play and excel

849
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: in it because those were two great people that were

850
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, I want to tie it on the Tomlin. Yes,

851
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: I give him that. Good coach. Good coach. He did

852
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: the things necessary to keep the people in place, because

853
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: that's what was there. It would be foolish to leave

854
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: to let those people go.

855
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: Okay.

856
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: And also something when we were sitting there at the game,

857
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: what the hamp say ninety five is a good player, right,

858
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: he said he's a good player. I looked it up,

859
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: BROI is a good player. Nine five is a good

860
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: player as much as I said he's not. But you

861
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: know why he's not a good player because they planned

862
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: him out a position. You're telling me, a great coach

863
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: takes an athlete like that that could be great and

864
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: puts him in a position to not excel.

865
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: What position we need to play him at though he

866
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: needs to be on the end. Okay, okay, he needs

867
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: to be on the end.

868
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: He's a rush in dude, all right, he actually got dude, like.

869
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: Like, for real?

870
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: Is it because he's too leads to It's just's quick,

871
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: but he's too light.

872
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: Dude.

873
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: Here's here's a here's a funny thing. Before TJ moved

874
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: to the left, PZ, what's the linebacker, coach? I said, PZ.

875
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I know, y'all ain't gonna do nothing with me and

876
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: let me play on the right. But move TJ to

877
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: the left. I would see every time in practice when

878
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: TJ got the practice rushing on the left, he had

879
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: that move.

880
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: Can't nobody stop. I'm like, just moving to the left,

881
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: like just moving to the left.

882
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: They thinking I want to, I want to, I want

883
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: to get in there and play that. I know you're

884
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: not gonna blame me already. No, I want to move

885
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: to TJ to left. Automatically he could get that. They

886
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: don't do it. TJ finally was like yo, and one

887
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: of the off season, I want to move to the left,

888
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: move to the left.

889
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: Boom gone gone should have moved on to the left.

890
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: Quicker should have moved into the left.

891
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: Quicker Quicker like, we're at a point right now where

892
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: or we got to a point where when Coward was there,

893
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: Coward drafted talent for the position that was needed to

894
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: get the job done at that position. I think around

895
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: that thirteen fifteen time frame, coach Townlan got into drafting athletes, numbers, speed,

896
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: all that, and not getting players that could do the

897
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: skill needed at the position, which in thirteen led to

898
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: dick Lebo's defense dropping in thirteen and fourteen and then

899
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: them not renewing him because now you have him at

900
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: a I think it was A thirteen and thirteen and

901
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: eighteen in fourteen and now you can say, you know what,

902
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: his defense don't work? That was that was called his

903
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: defense don't work no more? It just don't work. It

904
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: don't work. That's not true. His defense works. It was

905
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: younger and younger players starting pick Lar Bose defense.

906
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: He don't start rookies.

907
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: It's only been one rookie before twenty thirteen that started

908
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: in Addicularbo defense, and that was Ken dro Bell, And

909
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: we ran I don't even know if y'all ran this.

910
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: We ran Gap Mac. We ran Mac games, so we

911
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: ran Mac Mac game. So it was either Gap Mac, knife, sword, gun,

912
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: switch whatever whatever it was.

913
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: So it was no.

914
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Telling that exactly exactly. You don't even know what I'm

915
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: talking about. You got there seventeen. That's why you think

916
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: he's right and I'm wrong, and we have a difference opinion.

917
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: That told the Mac backer to hit gaps A through

918
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: B I mean a through d over here or a

919
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: through d over here. Why because I don't want him

920
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: thinking I need to get him to where he knows

921
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: where he's going. Because in that defense, you didn't play

922
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: in the pure Diclobo fire zone defense. When I got

923
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: there and at fourteen, I was like, yo, why were

924
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: we changing this? When I unretired and came back, I'm like,

925
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: some thing's gonna changed, and it's like Yo, we had

926
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: to change some things so players didn't have to think

927
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: so much and they could be able to play.

928
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: Now, now, when.

929
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: You do that in the Diculable defense and you take that.

930
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: Away with that baumbing it down.

931
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: Yes, you're dumbing it down, and you take away two

932
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: or three other defenses that looked the same as that

933
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: one defense, but it's doing something totally different. And that's

934
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: why when rookie quarterbacks see a Diculable defense, a true

935
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: Diclabo defense, they are talking about their seeing ghosts. Why

936
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: because you're looking at the same thing, the same lineup,

937
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: the same look, and it's four different ways those people

938
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: can come. But now you have to take that one out,

939
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: so now it's no teeth to the other one because

940
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: you didn't get the player that needed to play the

941
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: position to do what was necessary. As an inside linebacker

942
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: and our def you got to come downhill, bang a dude,

943
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: and get off of me. As an outside linebacker, you

944
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: have to dominate the tight end. The tight ends never

945
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: block you one on one, and you have to be

946
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: able to get out and coverage to a claral flat.

947
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: You have to be able to go seem Sometimes you

948
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: got to run down with the number two.

949
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 3: All that got taken away.

950
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: So you see what I'm saying, Like, no, you have

951
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: different parameter than you does, but fective in your perspective

952
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: or two different things.

953
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: Dude, I feel you, I hear you, but I'm just

954
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: telling you what I know from being the cornerback and.

955
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: Getting coached up.

956
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: It just I feel like if the dude, dude, if you,

957
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: if you, if you could have played in Dick Labo system,

958
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: I guarantee you your numbers would have jumped by three.

959
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: But the thing is, the cornerback it was easy, though,

960
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: d BO, I think I'm The thing is there's there's

961
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: there's nuances and stuff that we didn't get. But I

962
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: don't think some people are just not smart enough to

963
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: get defenses. Sometimes some things are a little bit confusing.

964
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: I think I think my mind kind of works. But

965
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: but that's the big draw, Like it's easy.

966
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: Even the offenses that are facing us saying, oh it's easy,

967
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: we know what they're gonna do. Why because you had

968
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: to dumb it down so much because you're trying to

969
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: make guys play now, like you have to have some

970
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: complication to your defense. You have for sure we're playing chess,

971
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: not checkers. Right, what you said, But guess what, we're

972
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: playing tic tac toe because everybody and they mom see

973
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: it and we're going to a game like TJ just said,

974
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: this past game. We we we felt good about the

975
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: week we went in, everything was you know, it was good.

976
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: We felt prepared. And what happened the offenship down their leg.

977
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: They're they're they're part of the preparation on the other.

978
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: Side, right man, what so look so this this this

979
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So what what what? What are you expecting?

980
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: What are you expecting to happen?

981
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm expecting a great head coach to put

982
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: people in position to get coaches that can Actually, how

983
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: many coaches did you learn anything from at the stillers

984
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: when you were there in your tenure?

985
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: Who gave you, Who.

986
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: Gave you nuggets that made you a better player, Who

987
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: gave you who increased your knowledge? Who increased your capabilities?

988
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: Coach Blake? Okay, coach Lake? Where's coach Lake? He was hired,

989
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: He went to go see his son play out and

990
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: in l A. You know what happened after that?

991
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: No, then it got yeah, then it was then it

992
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: was scrap he wasn't. He did not. He didn't help

993
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: too much. Who was my third one? You can't remember,

994
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: that's the problem.

995
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: No, it was good, man, My third one was good.

996
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: We had a good d B coach telling you was

997
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: just yeah man, yeah, but it was I promise you,

998
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: I promise you going.

999
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: But I only had one bad d B coach there,

1000
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: so good equates to a great coach hiring.

1001
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: No, but I already you want to sat with a

1002
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: lot of great.

1003
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: I already told you what I believe.

1004
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: I do believe he will get into the hall just

1005
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: because of the number.

1006
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: Do I believe he should be in there? Wow? This

1007
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: coach is? That happened so the same.

1008
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: Reasons I don't believe I should be in there. My

1009
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: numbers aren't what they are. I said it multiple times.

1010
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: I've said that so many times. It's ridiculous. Even though

1011
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: we played in the defense where we drive damn near

1012
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time, and anytime you got a

1013
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: pass rush, it may not be a pure rush.

1014
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: It could be a run.

1015
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: So you may get maybe eight to ten pure pass

1016
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: rushes in the game if you're lucky. And that wasn't

1017
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: That was if coach Laboul decided that a.

1018
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: We're not going to rush our outside guys.

1019
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: We need you guys to head up the tight end

1020
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: and just whip his ass to gap him and dominating

1021
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: the run game, and we'll pick everything else up with

1022
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: the corners coming in.

1023
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: No, you're gonna get in there though. You're gonna get

1024
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: in that bit, de bo, that's for sure. I respectfully listen.

1025
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, you don't you don't understand.

1026
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: You understand I don't care I'm get in. I ain't

1027
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: even the only thing making my daddy proud, bro, and

1028
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: I did that, don't I don't think they understand you

1029
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: right now? Think about this. Think about this. Ab ab

1030
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: should be.

1031
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: First Battle of Hall of Fame.

1032
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: A thousand per a thousand.

1033
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: Get first Battle of Hall of Fame.

1034
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: Okay, they get their chance to make that, to make

1035
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: that thing to where they can do.

1036
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: Whatever they want to do. It is not didn't go first,

1037
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: stylid numbers based.

1038
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: And that is why I'm telling you Toman will get

1039
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: in because I don't think he should get in because

1040
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: guys are saying the things.

1041
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: He's going to get in for show. Yes, you're gonna

1042
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: get in for show. I can hear what you're saying.

1043
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: You just like it sist to leave or not, it's

1044
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna be the same thing.

1045
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: Mm hm, no question. He's gonna be able to do

1046
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: what he wants though.

1047
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's up, hardball Giants? The Browns ain't getting there?

1048
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: Man, it's all It's all good, Joe, it's all good, Hey, Joe, Yeah,

1049
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: it's all good.

1050
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: Who who you?

1051
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: Who you?

1052
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: Who you hope? Who you're hoping for now? Joe? Man? Bruh?

1053
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 3: After that?

1054
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: After that, that one flustered me because I put all

1055
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: my eggs in one basket. I ain't even gonna lie

1056
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: to so uh yeah, right now, I'm just waiting to

1057
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: see what they were. Mister Haslam, well he's looking to

1058
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: come up with him and mister Barry. See what they

1059
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: looking for. So, you know, I'm just here, I'm just waiting.

1060
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm just waiting. I'm just hoping and praying. I'm hoping

1061
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: something good happens. I'm gonna let them. I'm gonna let

1062
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: them do it because you know what, No, let's because

1063
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: what the because look we heard about that. What the

1064
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 2: what the stealer's gonna do though with the coach, because

1065
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: like you said, you want a great coach. You want

1066
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: a great coach obviously, and y'all ain't been doing it

1067
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: for a long time, only had three How much how

1068
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: much wiggle room a y'all, how much wiggle room are

1069
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: you giving the coach?

1070
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent ready, and no, we're gonna be

1071
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: in the basement. If we're trying to rebuild this, and

1072
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: I think we need to rebuild this, I don't know

1073
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: if Steller fans can handle that.

1074
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 3: That's what I want to say. That's what I don't care.

1075
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: If I'm the if I'm the person making the decision,

1076
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't care. This is what's going to have to happen,

1077
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: just like it happened over there with the Patriots. Look

1078
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: where they're at right now. Look where they're at right now.

1079
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: You've got to go to the basement to get back

1080
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: up unless you go give up everything that you have

1081
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: to find a quarterback that is out there right now

1082
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: and get him. We're going to be in the basement,

1083
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: and this draft is not it. I don't know if

1084
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: the next draft is it. We're going to be in

1085
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: the basement to be able. We're going to have to

1086
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: be in the basement to be able. To draft a

1087
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback can be a franchise quarterback. Okay, we're

1088
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: going to be in a we're going to I understand that,

1089
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: and we're going to have to draft far better than

1090
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: we have been doing the last ten to fifteen years. Yep,

1091
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm ready for them. I'm I'm ready to accept. As

1092
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: long as we get a person that can get that done,

1093
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm willing to accept. I'm willing to accept.

1094
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 2: Because basement, Because this is what I'm saying, your coach,

1095
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: when I'm telling you being in the basement, do we

1096
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: need to see something? Because the Steelers, they ain't had

1097
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: to really be dealing with another different head coaches. So

1098
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying, how long are you giving him to look

1099
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: terrible in the basement, because we're gonna have Will Howard.

1100
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: We're still gonna obviously try to play and see what's up.

1101
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: So you mean so you're telling me, so you're telling

1102
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: me that we could take Will Howard and put him

1103
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: in there.

1104
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 3: Let's let's stop all save this team.

1105
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: That that is a great decision that Mike getting Aaron Rodgers.

1106
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: I will say that I don't know without him, what

1107
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: are you talking about?

1108
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: It been looking no, for sure, it would have been his.

1109
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: First losing season ever if Aaron Rodgers wasn't there. Look

1110
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: at the games he won, Look how he want them,

1111
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: Look how our defense played in him, and look how

1112
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: we had to win them. You're telling me that this

1113
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: still would be a ten to seven team with Aaron

1114
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: Rodgers not there.

1115
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not saying that.

1116
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying that we obviously are going to go need

1117
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: to get a quarterback. If will is going to be

1118
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: the one that's going to be playing, we need to get.

1119
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 3: A vet obviously or we lose, lose.

1120
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: We're going to get hopefully a high pick where we

1121
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: get Caleb Williams like the Bears did, or Drake may

1122
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: for number three. You know what I'm saying, Like like

1123
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots this so you're obviously going to.

1124
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: Have to lose.

1125
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: But I'm saying with the coach wise giving them a

1126
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 2: little bit of leeway because I'm.

1127
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: Giving you leeway. I ain't find I ain't signing up to

1128
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: a five year deal.

1129
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: I'm loving the way that I'm loving though.

1130
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: I think Robert Craft, I mean Robert Kraft, the way

1131
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: that he did it with New England. He put Mayo

1132
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: in there for a year, fired him, and then we're

1133
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: still able to get what's my man right now? That's

1134
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: that the Patriots, the one that we that I wish

1135
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: we could get. But he's not going nowhere. Oh no,

1136
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: he ain't leaving because from Tennessee. Yes, yes, yes, so

1137
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: we got to get we got to get a great coach.

1138
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: Bruh that you saying that's going to be able to

1139
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: bring offensive and defensive coordinators because it's still definitely.

1140
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: And I'm not listening.

1141
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has to be a great coach

1142
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: right now, but I need to have the potential of

1143
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: being able to grow into that. You've seen something in

1144
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: him from year whatever it is to year whatever.

1145
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: And he can grow.

1146
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: On top of that, I want to know that he

1147
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: can put a staff in place. I want to know

1148
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be somebody that feels like

1149
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: he can't put somebody at X y Z because it

1150
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: may take attention.

1151
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: Away from him.

1152
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: So let me tell you this, all right, let me go,

1153
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 2: This is a question I really wanted to know. Since

1154
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: you talking about we're gonna have to be trash for

1155
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: a little bit and everything, are we still saying with

1156
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 2: these same players, are you trying to Are you trying

1157
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: to dump? Are you trying to get rid of contracts?

1158
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: Are you trying to look and see what's going on?

1159
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 3: I'm dumping for sure. Okay, I'm gonna have to because

1160
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 3: that's what you're gonna have to do. If we're talking

1161
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: about I.

1162
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 2: Have to with this bread out there and it's young,

1163
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 2: you can try to really go reset are If you're

1164
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: really trying and.

1165
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: Refigure it out, that's then I got it. I got Okay,

1166
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 3: that's just the same.

1167
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say it, but I'm getting

1168
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: rid of older, expensive talent.

1169
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: Okay, you have to.

1170
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: I gotta start younger. I got I gotta start younger

1171
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: because I need to be able. I need to be

1172
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: able to grow with this. I gotta teach him. I

1173
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: gotta bring him in and and to be honest, I

1174
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: don't just as you know, I don't want to deal

1175
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: with the past, you know, of whatever they may expect

1176
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: from me because of what their dealings were with Tom.

1177
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 3: So I'm cleaning. I'm cleaning house. I have to. I'm sorry,

1178
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: but I have to start off fresh.

1179
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: And I look at look at Rabel, dude, he let

1180
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: go and signed so many people. I think it was

1181
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: like twenty something dudes in his first week to there.

1182
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: Before that, he went and got the coaches. He got

1183
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: the coaches.

1184
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: I need the coaches that I need like he put together,

1185
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: he get, he get an all.

1186
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: Star coaching style. He got. He got that together, And

1187
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: I need guys to be there that when the.

1188
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: Player see him or or or hear their name or

1189
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: or whatever that may be, it's automatic buying. My My

1190
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: DV coach is Joe Hayden. Come on, brying right, Yes, okay,

1191
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. I'm coaching them up. I got I got,

1192
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, I got My DV coach is blah blah

1193
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: blah that I brought up from the scouting department and

1194
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: now he's my DV coach.

1195
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: Huh no kind of but no, no credibility none.

1196
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: So now when he tells you like you you can't

1197
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: even relate the game to me, like it's something that's

1198
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: not going on, that's not being translated.

1199
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: When I'm seeing every corner, every dB.

1200
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: Except for a few, when they get beat, first thing

1201
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: they do is look back.

1202
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody grabbed like stop. That's when d We're gonna

1203
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: have that. That's what we gotta y. Literally, it's eyes.

1204
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: It's straight eyes in the metingrom. We're doing it the

1205
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: whole time.

1206
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: And if you're doing that in practice, you're not going

1207
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: to get in the game.

1208
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: No, that's what you're gonna do.

1209
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: You're gonna do if you practice doing that. Kid, stop

1210
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: looking back crazy. I'm having dudes boxing gloves.

1211
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm treating them like kid until you get that credibility.

1212
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: Way. Okay, you showing me you know how to play? Okay,

1213
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 3: I might give you a.

1214
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: Little everybody coward did, dude, everybody think coward.

1215
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 3: You earned what everything was.

1216
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: Ye you were if you was a first rounder or round,

1217
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: you earned everything. And that's when it came time around that.

1218
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: Like I said that thirteen fourteen timeframe, bruh, guys were

1219
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: giving it. Hey, you my first rounder. You you're my

1220
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: first rounder. Here here, guys, go ahead, get out there.

1221
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna fix whatever it is we need to adjust

1222
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 1: so you can play.

1223
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: See, I ain't gonna lie to you coming out of

1224
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: that Belichick. I had Eric man Jinny and I was

1225
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: a first round pick and he did not give me nothing.

1226
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: I didn't start until game week six. I was special

1227
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: teams four phase guy, working my ass learning and then

1228
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: on me find it showing I'm like this, I'm going

1229
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: to show you I deserve it. I get in that

1230
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: thing after the sixth game of the season, I never

1231
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: come back out. But you gotta just you're not just Joe.

1232
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 2: You're Joe Hayden.

1233
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: First round pick. Here, you go about that.

1234
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: We won't care about none of that because unless you

1235
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: Sheldon Brown, Eric Wright.

1236
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: No, that's college. There's like, that's college. You did that

1237
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: in college. Somebody here, you gotta show me some here.

1238
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: M H'm not about to just hand this to you.

1239
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: They talking about the head coaching job for Pittsburgh. They

1240
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: got a rank that's the third. They got Ravens one

1241
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: Falcons too. You agree with that? Man? You think Baltimore

1242
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: in uh Atlanta is more desirable than Pittsburgh.

1243
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I think only Baltimore. Maybe only Baltimore right now,

1244
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: just because they got Lamar, just because they.

1245
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: Got real, real disrespectful right now. But brother, the brother, brother, brother, brother.

1246
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I mean, look, we don't got no

1247
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: coach either, So I mean trying.

1248
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: That's what it is for the head coaching job. When

1249
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: you want to be able to come in there and

1250
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: say I can't bring coach.

1251
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: I could pick my quarterback.

1252
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: I could do what I want to and I'm not

1253
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: stuck saying that I need to have. You got to

1254
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: keep the OC because that is a defense all right,

1255
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: offense that is ran totally different than what the regular

1256
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: offenses are ran in the NFL, because you will have

1257
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: a quarterback that is a running back in a quarterback.

1258
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 3: Now you're you're cutting your You're cutting yourself down.

1259
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: To have to pick a backup that is that is

1260
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: something him or exactly like him.

1261
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: Man, I'm look, I'm look me. I'm not turning down.

1262
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Lamar is still Lamar Jackson. And if you

1263
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: understand with it, and if that's your type of offense,

1264
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: that you know what I'm saying. You are the type

1265
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: of offense that runs that. You are the type of

1266
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: head coach that likes the r p o s that

1267
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 2: likes to do that.

1268
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: And you're a big defensive guy too. So I think

1269
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: that could be a.

1270
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: Fit where that coach could be like, hey, I do

1271
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: have Lamar Jackson, but at the same time, I'm with

1272
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: you to at Pittsburgh where I can pick whatever quarterback

1273
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: I do want. We don't really have one there, Like

1274
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: go talk to what what leadership role, What what?

1275
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: What ability do I have to bring in whoever I want?

1276
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm going, I'm I'm still I'm still. I'm

1277
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: still thinking. It's still the job is not you're going

1278
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: agree with that. I'm going to still the first I

1279
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta put in my I gotta put in

1280
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: my my requests for interview and all that. So when

1281
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: I do, you know, when I do that and everything,

1282
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: I'll let you know how to how to process. Go please,

1283
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: I like I said, listen, I'm I'm going I'm going

1284
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: to make I'm going to make my job so easy.

1285
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: Man.

1286
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire the coldest position coaches and coordinators around.

1287
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 3: I want to make my job as easy as possible

1288
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: as a head coach.

1289
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: I do not care who gets the credit because at

1290
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: the end, I'm going to get the credit because I

1291
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: hired them and put it in a show. Okay, I understand.

1292
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't listen. I do not want teachers. I want

1293
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: professors of the game. You understand what I'm saying that. Yes,

1294
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not promoting from within. That's gonna look

1295
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: No unless you done showed me something, I'm gonna go

1296
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: pluck somebody from I'm going to pluck them out of

1297
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: the sky.

1298
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 3: You come on over here, you come thank you, come

1299
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: on over here, dou Hey, what you know about a college?

1300
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 3: What do you think about a college? What about that

1301
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: college football coach?

1302
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: Bro?

1303
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: Now I'm talking about Indiana too nice too.

1304
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: He from PA and he from p A Hey, but

1305
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: you got to be able to get him to leave.

1306
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: He already said he ain't leaving, and that meant it

1307
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 1: sounded like he a man of his word right now.

1308
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, sound like a person

1309
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: that it has a conviction if look, you know, he

1310
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: makes his players, hold his players accountable.

1311
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 2: I tell you one thing, and that's what I'm talking about.

1312
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: He's over He looked like he's no, he's not boy.

1313
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: I like him. Hey, listen, we gonna give it a shot.

1314
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: This could be a This could be one of those

1315
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: chances where we go ahead, talk to him. Get hey,

1316
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do to get him to at

1317
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: least come on through, do an interview. You listen, you

1318
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: could be here next twenty five thirty year coach here.

1319
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: I like what he's doing over there in Indiana.

1320
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: Now, I love what he's doing over there.

1321
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: I like what he's doing over there, like, hey, he

1322
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: he came from the basement too. People make everybody enter.

1323
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: That's why he make them earning. Yep, that's why he

1324
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: make them earning. Look here, man, we got a playoff

1325
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: game two. We got the Bears over there with the Rams,

1326
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: the playoff game, Bro.

1327
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 3: Game History, Joe. Hey, we got a video.

1328
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1329
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: Look at the Blizzard conditions right now, Michigan. Baby, See

1330
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling you. I'm I'm I'm the lean.

1331
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: Hey, hey boy.

1332
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 5: Man, Matthew Stafford hurt his little finger, too cool. His

1333
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 5: thing is gonna be tingling, Bro. They are not They

1334
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 5: are not looking good in cold weather.

1335
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 3: Dude.

1336
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: You're talking about what they say zero the negative ten wind.

1337
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 3: Chill something like that. Let me chell you many mile

1338
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: an hour, gus.

1339
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: And they said the Rams, I ain't playing a game

1340
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: below fifty off season one in eight fifty completion for Stafford,

1341
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: the eight record, fourteen touchdowns, eleven interceptions.

1342
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: Brother, dang, yeah, man, that's why I look. And it's colder.

1343
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: It looks freezing out there. And my man hit his

1344
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: his a pointer finger off his throwing hand.

1345
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: It's gonna be that might help him because this is

1346
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 3: gonna be nominant. Man, deebo, I'm not I'm not rocking

1347
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 3: with that.

1348
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: Man.

1349
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: What's the coldest weather game you ever played?

1350
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: It?

1351
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: I know what mine is. I think it was against y'all.

1352
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: Man. I know I played in Cleveland, like negative three.

1353
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 3: Bruh. It was the game. I want to say.

1354
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: It was like two thousand and eight or something in Cleveland.

1355
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 4: Bro.

1356
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: It was like wind hell snow is.

1357
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: Freezing off the lake, Bro, and everybody out there they

1358
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: talking about, Man, it's so cold. Man. It's cold as

1359
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: this is that man, And I'm like, man, y'all shut

1360
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: up in except around here.

1361
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 3: I been here, I live here.

1362
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 5: Bro.

1363
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 3: This ain't nothing. Man. BRO. When I say I stepped

1364
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 3: out that tunnel.

1365
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: And the tea, it felt like real life needles, yes,

1366
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: sticking through my arm.

1367
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 3: Bro.

1368
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: We had a you get fined thousand dollars. You were

1369
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: sleeve run. If it wasn't for me talking so reckless

1370
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: and crazy, I almost turned around immediately and went back

1371
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: into the locker room.

1372
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: Oh for sure you had none of you couldn't. You didn't.

1373
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't all that. I couldn't, bruh. That is the

1374
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 3: only game we lost. We lost.

1375
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: You lost, and I did not give a fiddle faddle.

1376
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to get off that field because even a halftime. Bro,

1377
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: you know how you get in there at halftime and

1378
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: when you're hot, you feel the heat coming off your body.

1379
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: I felt the ice rising. I felt cold like I

1380
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: was in a freezer from the cold and it's rising

1381
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: off my body.

1382
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that.

1383
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: That's that. That's that weather. It's no joke. I don't

1384
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: I can't stand the cold. So we just be out there,

1385
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: but you better get it three and out so I

1386
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: can get over to that heated bench.

1387
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 3: Please listen, bro, we was going over there on timeouts.

1388
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: You no, for sure, thirty second timeouts, Joe. I ain't

1389
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 3: never did that day in my life. Bro.

1390
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm waiting, Bro, I'm looking at debo. I was doing

1391
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: that the whole time, waiting for the looking at the reft,

1392
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: waiting to blow the whistle.

1393
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: So as you come out there, Hey, we got TV

1394
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: or not? We got t ain't about to leave? We

1395
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: got TV or not? We're rolling or we got this

1396
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: or that man on.

1397
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: The field with the gloves or not.

1398
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: You want to feel with the gloves. I'm on the sideline.

1399
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 1: Washington Morris gloves right there, Joe, Yes, man, we gotta

1400
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: get to this man. It's twelve ten, man, Oh you

1401
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: know what time it is. Play a fad, all right, Joe.

1402
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: You know how it works. You play it or you faded?

1403
01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: Now.

1404
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: I got Josh Allen over here, buff more on Russian.

1405
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: I already know that he go do what he gotta do.

1406
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: He goes scramble, get loose on that thing he got,

1407
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: got purty, he go he go throw a pick.

1408
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: That's just what he do.

1409
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 4: Man.

1410
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 3: He had gunslinger, he you know.

1411
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: And on top of that, like last week when the

1412
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: tight end didn't relate and come down on that route. Yeah,

1413
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: I think he gonna have some issues where you know

1414
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: where that may happen.

1415
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 3: C J. I'm gonna say he gonna have more on rushing.

1416
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: The reason I say he's gonna have Russian is I

1417
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: believe they probably told him you cannot turn the ball

1418
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: over if you don't do anything else. Take off off,

1419
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: do not do not. Do not turn the ball over.

1420
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: I don't care if you get sack. Do not throw

1421
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: the ball into a ill avised situation.

1422
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: That is the only way that they're going to have.

1423
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: A chance to be able to beat New England in

1424
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: New England now and the other one.

1425
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 3: We just talked about that. Oh that is obvious. Less,

1426
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: that's less. Let's what you go do, Joe.

1427
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna play this. I'm gonna

1428
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: play this, and I'm gonna just be watching because once

1429
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: the first once my man if c j strout, my.

1430
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: Good man gets over ten and a half.

1431
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: This joint is good as were good as one good

1432
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 2: a watching this strout after that man's were getting the bucks.

1433
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 3: Listen, your boy, Joe, go play with your boy. Don't

1434
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 3: put out there.

1435
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: Let's make sure your guys download that after day and

1436
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: use their code debout Joe, Yes in lineups, after you

1437
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: play your first five dollar lineup. All right, look here

1438
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 1: we got some super chats. We got Kenneth Pile twenty

1439
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: seventy nine. He donated five dollars. He said, I say

1440
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: they need to hire d boys head coach.

1441
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: What do you think of that? Joe? I agree wholeheartedly,

1442
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 3: because yes, gonna do.

1443
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna yeah, because you want a job, right, you

1444
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: know what you don't I know I would like the

1445
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 2: cornerback position.

1446
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 3: I got you know, you in there and you know.

1447
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a.

1448
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: Coaching boys all the way up, folks show we're gonna

1449
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 2: be out there getting all the picks, and then I

1450
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: know you're gonna hire an offensive mine that we need

1451
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 2: to make sure an offense is ran a proper way.

1452
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, what we got here? What does that?

1453
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: Because the Ruins don't what let me see if it's

1454
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 3: on here.

1455
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: Stelson fourteen donated ten dollars said Tomman got a chance

1456
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: to be in the Great Coach Conversation because the rumors

1457
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: don't fire coaches any other owner and he'd been gone

1458
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: by twenty twenty.

1459
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: What do you think of that, Joe.

1460
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: I would say, I think after they won it in

1461
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, went back to the super Bowl

1462
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,839
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, I think the Steelers just the fans

1463
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: you get, you get kinda you want to be, you

1464
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: want to win every single year.

1465
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 3: I understand that.

1466
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: I can say twenty twenty, he's I think it's I

1467
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: think it's right about time. Could have been two years,

1468
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: could have been last year, maybe the year before, but

1469
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: right now I think it's a grateful time for him

1470
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: to gracefully ballow out like it is what it is.

1471
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 2: I think he did he did it long enough at

1472
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 2: a great pace where it's not great base but just

1473
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 2: you know, you were making the playoffs, you were doing good,

1474
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: you won a Super Bowl, brought you back to another one.

1475
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: Since twenty ten, so it's been a minute. So I

1476
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: think it right now is the time that it's time.

1477
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I personally I don't know about twenty but I

1478
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: think it should have been done.

1479
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

1480
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: I think it should have been a little a little sooner.

1481
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: We got diamond for underscore. One donated five dollars. Said,

1482
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: I like Brian Florash for head coach. Nate what is

1483
01:11:52,600 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: that Silhouse for oc raheem Moors for DC her Dad

1484
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: tremblest or Taylor Green for to complete, to complete, to

1485
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,919
Speaker 1: compete with Will for quarterback.

1486
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1487
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, I like, I like, I like

1488
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: floor Ass, but I.

1489
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 3: Like him as a as a coordinator, as d C. Yeah,

1490
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 3: I like him as a d C. I'm with you,

1491
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: Uh you know that as the head coach? Yeah, what

1492
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 3: are you thinking, Nate? That's the o C. Nate?

1493
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: Sure, where's Nate at shell House?

1494
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: It's sill.

1495
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: It's it's like shoe but it's it's too so it's

1496
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: shell has Where is he out of us?

1497
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's why I was asking where. I

1498
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: don't know where. No house is either.

1499
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 2: Rams Okay, okay, okay, Hey, that's look for offensive coordina.

1500
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: I want if you learn from m Let's see what McVeigh.

1501
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that that that that

1502
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: don't don't give me that instant, But it.

1503
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 3: Don't give you that instant. That's what we need.

1504
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need I need I need that

1505
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: instant as soon as I hear the name, as soon

1506
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: as I think like, I need that, and I just

1507
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, we got Mike, and Mike donated Mike and

1508
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: Mike dashed one hundred donated ten bucks.

1509
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 3: Said, what's up, d one Joe.

1510
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: That's the next Steeler coach last as long as Timlin did?

1511
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: Or do they have to step down a few seasons

1512
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 1: if they can.

1513
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,879
Speaker 3: Get a ring.

1514
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: After a few seasons, Or do they have to step

1515
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: down after a few seasons if they can't get a ring?

1516
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: Hell no, listen, I'm trying to tell y'all the next

1517
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: coach with me. I'm giving me five years, give me,

1518
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm giving me time to build up for the first

1519
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: three and then after that I got to see grave improvements. Indeed,

1520
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: that's what I got it, that's what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 3: I'm rocking with that. But and this is what you don't.

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Speaker 2: You need to see like a legitimate change, you know

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01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, the legitimate Like I need to see

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Speaker 2: the culture change.

1525
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Speaker 3: And like if I like the.

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Speaker 2: Way that when the Patriots they ended up getting rid

1527
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 2: of Belichick and then my man, what's my man name,

1528
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Speaker 2: Jared Mayo, he went out there for a year and

1529
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: they went four and thirteen, and he's like they had

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01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: Bell Belichick for twenty years and he quickly was able

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: to fire Mayo because it just wasn't what he was

1532
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: with and now able to hire the coach they have now, Rabel.

1533
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Speaker 2: So it's like, I think the Steelers are going to

1534
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: have to do a really good job of really like

1535
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 2: this the guy that you're gonna be with, because they

1536
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 2: don't really having to pick the guy too many times,

1537
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: so it's hard to be able to find that guy.

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you gotta realize it ain't nobody.

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it's nobody in that workmization right now

1540
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: that actually went through the process of finally, uh, coach

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Speaker 1: t or that was truly.

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Speaker 3: Involved in it. So that's the point where it's like

1543
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Speaker 3: coaches aren't easy.

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Speaker 2: When you find the man that you really kind of

1545
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: believe in, you gotta gotta stick to us.

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01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm respect I don't, I don't know you.

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01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a problem that that a

1548
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 1: lot of like coaches have, especially with their higher drave choices.

1549
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: They stick with him until it's too late, and they

1550
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: stick with him too long, so they'll just hold on

1551
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: to him, knowing that after year or two that's not

1552
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: what they want or need, but instead of letting go,

1553
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: they'll hold on to him to.

1554
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: The being like, look, they got to be able to

1555
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 2: say I messed up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yeah.

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: A lot of guys, A lot of guys won't do that.

1558
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean some some some some guys. Do you see

1559
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: guys getting up out of there, you see a first

1560
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: round or that you know, year after year or two

1561
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: he done went to two three other teams and you know, yeah,

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01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: So I mean, but you gotta be willing and ready

1563
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: to do that in the mid fault and when that happens.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we had that. I know ain't had that.

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: I mean we held on to guys for for longer

1566
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: than we we should have. And we know that because

1567
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: we didn't re sign up to long term deals. We

1568
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: just held on to them because it was there, and

1569
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, so on and so forth. So South still

1570
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: has thirty six donated two bucks. Said Deebo, are you

1571
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: serious about d C? No, I am not serious about

1572
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: d C. He said, you got my vote. I'm serious

1573
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: about head coach. I ain't coming in there. I ain't

1574
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: coming in there on no bottom, I ain't coming in

1575
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: on the side.

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01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't be on the side. Gotta be

1577
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 3: on I gotta. I gotta be on top because I got.

1578
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: To put the people in place to make sure that

1579
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: everything flows smoothly.

1580
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,879
Speaker 3: Your staff, it's gonna be automatic.

1581
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: Your staff has to be sitting there and buying into

1582
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: what it is you're doing and everybody else is doing.

1583
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: We got to be speaking the same language. Got to

1584
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. Nobody can be saying something different.

1585
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: I know it was times where it was coaches where

1586
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: they were saying two different things about the same play.

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Speaker 3: You can't have that.

1588
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: You can now, that's as a thing as us recipe fulfilm.

1589
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: I did it this way or I think you should

1590
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: do it that way. It's the I think you should

1591
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: do it this way ones that kill me because you

1592
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: ain't played the game. How you gonna tell me how

1593
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: to do it? You ain't even never went out here

1594
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: and did it. That's why I need a coach that

1595
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: played the position that I played and did it successfully.

1596
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I think you should do

1597
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: it this way is crazy, Like I dude, I just don't.

1598
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't want to. I don't understand that. Dude. Right, Oh,

1599
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 3: d we had twenty coach. Yeah, let's get up out it. Hey.

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Speaker 1: We want to thank you guys for joining us on

1601
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: this episode the Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like,

1602
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: subscribe and download whereas possible this show.

1603
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Speaker 3: Baby. Hey, Joe, Yes, got to say, Joe say.

1604
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Speaker 2: I will see y'all on Monday on another episode of

1605
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: Debo and Joe.

1606
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: Hey, we're about to watch these games this weekend. We're

1607
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: gonna be right back on this thing on Monday. Letting

1608
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: y'all know how go y'all know how we break it down.

1609
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all, Come, y'all, come, y'all,

1610
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: come to here, y'all know you know what it is,

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Speaker 1: you know what it is, Hey, and we are