Speaker 1: Lookay, it's only films to be bettered with the Resurrection. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with the Resurrection.
Speaker 1: My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor,
Speaker 1: a writer, a director, a government man, and I love film.
Speaker 1: As Tony Morrison famously once said, if there's a book
Speaker 1: that you want to read but it hasn't been written,
Speaker 1: then you must write it. And if there's a film
Speaker 1: you want to see but you haven't seen it, and
Speaker 1: you must track down the bastard and watch it. Yes, Tony,
Speaker 1: I love that kind of proactiveness. It's very inspiring. Every
Speaker 1: week I invite a special guest over, I tell them
Speaker 1: they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life
Speaker 1: through the films that meant the most of them. But
Speaker 1: not this week. This week I use my newly acquired
Speaker 1: shamanic powers to bring back a former guest from the
Speaker 1: dead and ask them twelve new questions. And this week
Speaker 1: it's the return of the amazing, incredible Camille ou Chan.
Speaker 1: Head over to the Patreon at patreon dot com forward
Speaker 1: slash Brett Goldstein, where you get an extra twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes of chat with Camille. You get more questions, you
Speaker 1: get a secret. You also get the whole thing uncut
Speaker 1: and as a video. All that and more over at
Speaker 1: patreon dot com. Forward slash Brett Golstein your TV homework
Speaker 1: as usual, get caught up on season two of Ted
Speaker 1: Lasso on an Apple TV Plus app. Then What Soulmates
Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime. One will make you happy, the other
Speaker 1: will make you thinky thin key. Yes, this is episode
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty one. Camire lu Chan is a sketcho,
Speaker 1: a podcaster, an award winning writer, and an incredible actor.
Speaker 1: If you never heard her first episode on this podcast,
Speaker 1: go back and find it. It is truly one of
Speaker 1: the top five episodes. I was delighted to bring her
Speaker 1: back from the dead so we could check in on
Speaker 1: her severe death anxiety. We got to talk about her work,
Speaker 1: we talked about her life, and we even discussed her husband,
Speaker 1: James McNicholas, the amazing other guest I've had before twice
Speaker 1: his book. He has written The Champ and the Chump,
Speaker 1: which is incredible and what that book means to her.
Speaker 1: We checked with James. He was happy with us talking
Speaker 1: about him on this He said, yes, So when you
Speaker 1: hear that bit, don't worry. We checked it with him.
Speaker 1: He's all out of it. He's amazing like that. As always,
Speaker 1: Camille was the best and I think you will love
Speaker 1: this one. So that is it for now. I very
Speaker 1: much hope you enjoy episode one hundred and sixty one
Speaker 1: of Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to Films to be Buried with the Resurrection. It
Speaker 1: is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by
Speaker 1: a sketch, a stand up, a writer, a playwright, an
Speaker 1: award nominee and award winner, the head of all of
Speaker 1: children's television, and the wife and of an incredible guest,
Speaker 1: and her herself being one of the top five episodes
Speaker 1: of all time on this podcast, Please welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show. To defend her title, it's the brilliant, it's
Speaker 1: the wonderful, it's the amazing. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: It's completely change lovely to be back. You're I feel
Speaker 1: like when I first did your pod it was successful,
Speaker 1: but not the dizzy heights that it is today. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think most of that's down to you. I
Speaker 1: think most people would agree that your episode is the favorite,
Speaker 1: certainly top five, and I've had a lot genuinely contact
Speaker 1: me to say that your episode taught them to handle
Speaker 1: their death anxiety better, which only makes me think that
Speaker 1: they must have listened to you and going, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not that bad. Yeah, exactly that. I mean when you
Speaker 1: told me that someone had messaged you that that baffled
Speaker 1: me because I I when I listened to it back,
Speaker 1: I thought, God, I'm buying on about its films to
Speaker 1: be buried with when you talk about death, but are
Speaker 1: really lean into death rather than film in that in
Speaker 1: that recording. Oh, I love it. I love the deaths. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad to help people. I think. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people have death anxiety, don't they? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that this past year is either
Speaker 1: it made that worse or better for some people. Now
Speaker 1: in your case, probably two years since we did the episode,
Speaker 1: a year and a half. Yeah, is your mayor ask
Speaker 1: how your death anxiety is treating you these days? It
Speaker 1: it's up and down. Yeah, like all the Love Island
Speaker 1: relationships happened down. It's Yeah. Obviously during the pandemic, you're
Speaker 1: watching the news every day literally seeing a death toll,
Speaker 1: and you're reading about death a lot that the threat
Speaker 1: of death is suddenly all around you, especially in the
Speaker 1: early days of the pandemic where no one really oh
Speaker 1: in the good old days, yea, oh, in the good
Speaker 1: old days when no one really knew, you know, what
Speaker 1: was what were far away from a vaccine and all
Speaker 1: that blah blah blah. Yeah, it got quite bad, and
Speaker 1: I was working as well a bit. Obviously, all acting
Speaker 1: got canceled. I was able to write from home, which
Speaker 1: was I was very lucky. But I carried on doing
Speaker 1: a bit of support work and going there and working
Speaker 1: there and having to try and explain what was, you know,
Speaker 1: going on when people were asking about the virus and
Speaker 1: why can't we go out, and why can't we do this?
Speaker 1: And you know, what's going to happen and all these
Speaker 1: questions that what did you used to say? I used
Speaker 1: to say. I used to basically say, no one knows
Speaker 1: for sure exactly what's going to happen. But I used
Speaker 1: to try and say that in the most sort of positive,
Speaker 1: upbeat way possible to try and not worry anybody. And
Speaker 1: actually the adults that I work, we've all dealt with
Speaker 1: it really well. And I felt really lucky actually that
Speaker 1: I also to do care work, and I was able
Speaker 1: to go out to work and see people and work
Speaker 1: with people. I think sort of I was doing that
Speaker 1: every week, and for me, I felt like I was
Speaker 1: so lucky that I got to go out, you know,
Speaker 1: and work. But yeah, it was hard to talk about
Speaker 1: something that you are yourself sort of scared of and
Speaker 1: don't really understand. So it got bad. But I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of people talked to you about this
Speaker 1: on the pod. I started therapy and it's helped a lot.
Speaker 1: Started therapy in January of this year, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we've talked about death anxiety among lots of
Speaker 1: other things. And interestingly, yes, please, she I don't think
Speaker 1: I've told you this. She thinks a lot of my
Speaker 1: death anxiety is linked to the job that I do,
Speaker 1: and that feeling of every new project you start it's
Speaker 1: going to come to an end, and you don't know
Speaker 1: where your next project is necessarily going to come from,
Speaker 1: and you're constantly doing things that they don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a sort of life longevity or long life. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: always ending, they're always dying. Yeah, and you can literally
Speaker 1: die on stage. Well, there you go. Yeah, here's my question.
Speaker 1: Do you think your death anxiety comes from the work
Speaker 1: you do, or do you think the work you do
Speaker 1: you were drawn to because of your death anxiety. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I feel like I have always had, even
Speaker 1: before I started acting and writing. I feel like as
Speaker 1: a child, I always had an anxious brain and would
Speaker 1: get worried about, you know, the prospect of death. So
Speaker 1: I think it came before the job. Maybe it's maybe
Speaker 1: it's what drew me to it. Yeah, maybe the job
Speaker 1: is like better the devil, you know, invented for a song? Yeah.
Speaker 1: What what do you remember the first time you worried
Speaker 1: about death? Yeah? I think I was very young, like
Speaker 1: probably primary school age, and I think i'd seen I
Speaker 1: went through a phase I'd seen I'd seen something on
Speaker 1: the news or a program about a brain tumor, and
Speaker 1: I think I've sort of got fixated on this idea
Speaker 1: of you could just you could just have that right,
Speaker 1: and that could kill that could maybe kill you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I started sort of, yeah, being really worried about it,
Speaker 1: talking to my mom about it. Yeah. I haven't got
Speaker 1: a brain to you, but I haven't got a brain
Speaker 1: to about that kind of thing. Oh we can laugh
Speaker 1: about it now, Yeah, it's very sweet, a little three
Speaker 1: year old constantly asking if you've got a brain tumor.
Speaker 1: Even before that, I think I was aware of the
Speaker 1: concept of death in a scary way of My mum
Speaker 1: remembers when my sister was born. There's about five years
Speaker 1: between us, and I didn't deal very well with the
Speaker 1: fact that there was another child on the scene. And
Speaker 1: at five years old, I think I was actually watching
Speaker 1: Telly or watching a film and my baby sister was
Speaker 1: crying and it was pissing me off. So I put
Speaker 1: her in the hallway, shut the door, and my mum
Speaker 1: came in and I was like, why have you put
Speaker 1: her in the hallway? I was like, she was really
Speaker 1: annoying me. And then I followed it up by saying,
Speaker 1: if there was a fire in the house, would yasm
Speaker 1: and burn and die? Really love her? I love her now.
Speaker 1: I love spending time with her. Could this happened before
Speaker 1: this brain tumor? Gets me? Well? Where we were? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel so morbid about you know,
Speaker 1: I don't get so mordal. And when I talk about
Speaker 1: it now, I think I've sort of a try and
Speaker 1: try and keep it light. Has the therapy therapist, as
Speaker 1: they're known in the trade, the therapy therapist is she
Speaker 1: has she given you any kind of practical tool or
Speaker 1: something when you're overwhelmed by death anxiety, and if so,
Speaker 1: could you save us or some therapy and tell us.
Speaker 1: There is something called a thought record, and she sent
Speaker 1: me this, um, this little do you know what? I
Speaker 1: might have it here that I can quickly reference it
Speaker 1: here it is. Yeah, so the thought record. Absolutely love this, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's brilliant. I don't know if this is like trademarks
Speaker 1: to her and I'm giving this away. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of universal thing giving it away,
Speaker 1: But you know, helping people for free. And that's what
Speaker 1: we're about one exactly, exactly exactly, especially the res action.
Speaker 1: I've come back to life with all this wisdom. Exactly. So,
Speaker 1: you're in the situation you've got a hot thought, that's
Speaker 1: what she calls it, a hot thought that you're spiraling
Speaker 1: into that hot thought that's bringing you down. You've got
Speaker 1: to write down exactly what situation you're in, who's there,
Speaker 1: what's happening, when is it happening, where are you? Then
Speaker 1: you've got to think about the mood that you're in,
Speaker 1: you're what you're actually feeling, and like describe that mood
Speaker 1: and detail, like what what is it that you're literally feeling?
Speaker 1: And then you have to think about the automatic thoughts
Speaker 1: that come into your mind with that. So with me,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, my god, everyone's going to die, and
Speaker 1: then what I think about that? Like I'm thinking that
Speaker 1: that's you know, I'm fearful, I'm full of dread. I
Speaker 1: think it's unfair. Why can't we all live forever? That
Speaker 1: kind of thing. You write that down, then you have
Speaker 1: to write down It's a tricky one with death because
Speaker 1: you have to write down evidence that supports that thought.
Speaker 1: So the idea is that you're having these mad thoughts
Speaker 1: that that probably you're having because you're anxious about something.
Speaker 1: They might not come to light. So by thinking about
Speaker 1: the evidence you're you're being you're making yourself think, well, actually,
Speaker 1: I don't have that much evidence that's supporting this anxious thought,
Speaker 1: like why am I worried about it? Unfortunately, with the
Speaker 1: death one, you there's a lot of evidence that everyone's
Speaker 1: going to die. You've got quite a bit of evidence,
Speaker 1: but it's a thought associated to it, like oh, that's
Speaker 1: necessary I'm going to be sad. Well, it's like there's
Speaker 1: no evidence that you're sad when you die because you literally, yeah,
Speaker 1: no one's come back, and going no one's come back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like so so you're trying to make yourself remove remove
Speaker 1: from that that being like such a negative thing, Like
Speaker 1: there's no evidence that that's negative once that happens. So
Speaker 1: then you think about evidence that does not support this
Speaker 1: anxious hot thought you're having. Yeah, and then you have
Speaker 1: to think about alternative thoughts. If you were, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to a mate saying that this is an alternative,
Speaker 1: this is what you can think instead, give me, give
Speaker 1: me some molts to why can't we all live forever?
Speaker 1: Alternative for me would be like, um, okay, well friends
Speaker 1: have said this to me. They've been like, okay, if
Speaker 1: you live forever, but you see the world end, how
Speaker 1: awful would that be to actually be here when the
Speaker 1: world ends? Or yeah, if you live forever, wouldn't you
Speaker 1: get bored? Yeah? Exactly what you're going to do. Isn't
Speaker 1: the meaning of life that you know it's going to
Speaker 1: end and that's what makes it special? Like what is
Speaker 1: what is the point of anything if it's just never ending?
Speaker 1: Why does anything matter if it's not going to end?
Speaker 1: Isn't that what makes it so precious? They're the alternatives
Speaker 1: you could tell yourself. Well, tell that to the writers
Speaker 1: of Neighbors. So, yeah, that's one of the that's one
Speaker 1: of the methods. And then after you've done through that
Speaker 1: whole process, you rate how you're feeling down. Yeah, hopefully
Speaker 1: you're feeling a bit better. Thoughts are very different to
Speaker 1: my hot thoughts. It's really fascinating. Oh, you can have
Speaker 1: different hot thoughts every day. You know. One of my
Speaker 1: hot thoughts, it's what I've actually written down on here,
Speaker 1: was that I was waking up at three am panicking
Speaker 1: about my puppy barking. That became a hot thought for me. Now,
Speaker 1: this is the other thing that's happened since you did this.
Speaker 1: You've had a baby. I've had a fairy baby. You've
Speaker 1: fairy baby. You've had a dog baby. I have no disrespect.
Speaker 1: I think it is a dog, but it's a natural dog.
Speaker 1: You've had a dog baby, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a baby. Yeah, but it is also a baby that's
Speaker 1: a dog. Oh god, yah, yeah, game changing. My life
Speaker 1: has completely changed, life changing. You've met her, you like it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a big fan of that dog. Baby.
Speaker 1: Has she changed your life for the better? Yes? I
Speaker 1: feel like if we've done this a couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: I would have said to anyone listening, never get a dog.
Speaker 1: Just don't do it. Even if, like me, you've wanted
Speaker 1: a dog your whole entire life, you've really thought it
Speaker 1: would make you happy, bring a real happiness to your life,
Speaker 1: and you've read all the books you know, you think
Speaker 1: you'd be great at it. Don't do it. Just don't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm a bit more used to it, I'm still like, really,
Speaker 1: think about it. You think you've thought about it, think
Speaker 1: about it some more, but maybe then do it. Remember
Speaker 1: that you might have a hot thought such as what
Speaker 1: if the dog bucks? Yeah, what if the dog doesn't
Speaker 1: stop barking? What if I can never leave my house again?
Speaker 1: What if I've in my life? There's some other hot thoughts.
Speaker 1: One other thing that we must talk about briefly, because
Speaker 1: I could talk to you forever, as you know, and
Speaker 1: probably when this podcast wings is I will the question
Speaker 1: is this? The point is this your husband? Based James McNicholas,
Speaker 1: when he was last on the show, was writing his book,
Speaker 1: The Champ and the Champ. He's now finished his book,
Speaker 1: The Champ and the Champ, and I read it last week.
Speaker 1: It is magnificent. It's he's a brilliant writer. It's a
Speaker 1: really brilliant book. I'd recommend it to anyone. However, within
Speaker 1: it he does talk about his illness, which he did
Speaker 1: talk about when he did The Resurrection. Yeah, and obviously,
Speaker 1: as a friend of his and yours, I knew about
Speaker 1: the illness, but I guess reading that book, you've got
Speaker 1: a lot more detail on it and a lot more
Speaker 1: understanding of it. And it made me very sad as
Speaker 1: an awful thing that he has been experiencing, and also
Speaker 1: you've been experiencing it because you're married and you live
Speaker 1: with him, and you've lived through a pandemic together with
Speaker 1: someone who has I don't know what we call it.
Speaker 1: Is that a chronic illness? That what we call it?
Speaker 1: I think you'd call it, yeah, chronic? Yeah, something that's
Speaker 1: long lasting. And I feel tremendous respect and empathy for
Speaker 1: both of you, and I wondered how that has been
Speaker 1: because reading it as a friend, there's even a bit
Speaker 1: in it where he says in the book, friends of
Speaker 1: mine reading this might be shocked to discover these sort
Speaker 1: of depths of this. And I thought, yeah, I am,
Speaker 1: and I'm sort of it's so difficult and so amazing
Speaker 1: what he's done and survived and done and both of you,
Speaker 1: and I wondered for you as someone who is a
Speaker 1: carer literally in their life, but then having this in
Speaker 1: your house, has it been what's it been like? I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it has been a challenge, There's no way
Speaker 1: around that. It definitely has been. And it's yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been been testing at times. But also it's made me, really,
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, to say, oh, I'm proud, like
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm a teacher or his mum. No,
Speaker 1: but I feel proud. Yeah, I do get that. I
Speaker 1: felt proud reading that book. I feel immense pride that
Speaker 1: he has well, first of all, that he's written a
Speaker 1: whole bloody book. I've got it here. Actually, here you go,
Speaker 1: the lovely cover. Lovely cover. Don't judge a book by it,
Speaker 1: but it's a good one. Yeah, Proud that he's written
Speaker 1: a book, and he wrote a lot of it here
Speaker 1: actually sat at this desk, and when I'm reading it,
Speaker 1: it is weird thinking because I hear he is an
Speaker 1: amazing writer, Like, yeah, the book is very interesting and
Speaker 1: it made me laugh, made me cry. But the way
Speaker 1: he writes, I think he's a very beautiful. He's very
Speaker 1: writes beautiful prose. And it is weird when I read
Speaker 1: it that I think, God, you you just you. You
Speaker 1: were sitting here writing that when I was fatting about,
Speaker 1: you know, playing with the puppy or having a wee
Speaker 1: next door, Like, it's so weird that you were doing
Speaker 1: that here. And in terms of the yeah, he has
Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to his podcast, he has mdds
Speaker 1: MAWD Debauchmont syndrome, which is basically when you well. It
Speaker 1: can happen in different scenarios. But for James, he got
Speaker 1: on a boat in our honeymoon, and then when he
Speaker 1: got off the boat, he just forever felt like he
Speaker 1: was still on a boat. And it's a neurological condition.
Speaker 1: And I think in the beginning I did find it difficult,
Speaker 1: especially someone who has sort of death anxiety and some
Speaker 1: health anxiety, to for this thing to suddenly happen to
Speaker 1: him and for a while for it to be you know,
Speaker 1: no one could really explain it and it was one
Speaker 1: of those things that was like friends and family members
Speaker 1: were like, oh, yeah, that happens. Is you get off
Speaker 1: a boat and sometimes you have this weird thing for
Speaker 1: a week and then it goes away. And that's what
Speaker 1: I would try and say, and I always try and believe.
Speaker 1: I had to make myself think, oh, this is just
Speaker 1: going to go away in a few days or a week,
Speaker 1: and then when it carried on and carried on and it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I found it sort of, I sort of, I don't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say. On the one hand, yeah, sometimes you
Speaker 1: panic and you're like, what is this thing? What's going
Speaker 1: to happen? What's going on? But then also once you
Speaker 1: actually are in a situation and you are literally just
Speaker 1: living in that situation, you just get on with it
Speaker 1: and you just have to just carry on and deal
Speaker 1: with it. And that's what we did, I guess, and
Speaker 1: he dealt with it brilliantly. And I think in the beginning, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had a lot of fear around it, and I
Speaker 1: think he felt a lot of guilt because we just
Speaker 1: got married, we were just on our honeymoon and suddenly
Speaker 1: this this thing happened. But I suppose in a way
Speaker 1: it's it's made us closer because you know, we've we're
Speaker 1: still happily married, and and you know we've had a
Speaker 1: brilliant time together, even though we are having a brilliant time,
Speaker 1: even though he's got this thing he's dealing with. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going to make me crying, We're ready funny. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you so much, and thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1: For the record, If people thinking of reading this book,
Speaker 1: and I've made it sound like it's really heavy and sad,
Speaker 1: oh it's funny. It's funny, people get looking at him.
Speaker 1: Why is he laughing so much? It was like, because
Speaker 1: this book is funny. It's very funny. It's very very funny.
Speaker 1: It's brilliant. And yeah, he is an amazing man, amazing guy.
Speaker 1: I love him, an amazing guy. I mean, is he
Speaker 1: going to mind us saying he's an amazing guy. We've
Speaker 1: both saying it. He's an amazing guy. I love him,
Speaker 1: bloody love him. I love him all right. Why don't
Speaker 1: you marry him, bloody? Yeah, yeah, I wish I could,
Speaker 1: but he's taken Camille Chan, you have been brought back
Speaker 1: to life. Resurrected is the exact word. What point of
Speaker 1: your life would you like to come back to? Firstly,
Speaker 1: oh sorry, no, sorry, carry on, carry on? Do you
Speaker 1: would you? Would you change anything or leave everything as
Speaker 1: it was? Camille Chan Okay? Firstly, absolutely obviously delighted that
Speaker 1: I've been brought back to life. Yes, believed. Please don't
Speaker 1: it back on the pod again where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: actually you're dying again. Just let's let's keep it here.
Speaker 1: I'm resurrected. Sorry for the for the people like yourself
Speaker 1: who were worried that dying will make you sad? Were
Speaker 1: you said when you were dead? Do you know? No?
Speaker 1: Carried on, carried on with my life in this in
Speaker 1: this new sort of dead Rell. Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: Put that in your alternative thoughts. There you go, There
Speaker 1: you go. Where would I come back to? I would
Speaker 1: come back to his gool would have got a lot
Speaker 1: of airtime on this, but basically I would come back to.
Speaker 1: What's Leap Year day twenty ninth of Feb. Twenty eighth
Speaker 1: of Feb. Seven ninth, Yeah, twenty ninth of Feb. When
Speaker 1: the yeah, so late leap year? I think it's must
Speaker 1: be twenty seventeen. Was that Leap Year Day twenty twenty
Speaker 1: sixty twenty sixteen. Yeah, okay, okay, twenty ninth of February
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I would come back to that day because
Speaker 1: at the start of that year, So January twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: I became boyfriend and girlfriend with with James, and is
Speaker 1: that what you still say? Became boyfriend and girlfriend anyway, Candy, Candy,
Speaker 1: And it was after I had a new Actually you
Speaker 1: were there. I had a New Year's Eve party at
Speaker 1: the house I was then living in it very well,
Speaker 1: and I think it's maybe it was maybe like New
Speaker 1: Year's Day or the day after that, we me and
Speaker 1: James properly became a couple. I remember you consummated in
Speaker 1: front of us all on New Years Day. We had
Speaker 1: a ceremony around you. Everyone should We all carried torches,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was lovely. It was really lovely, and
Speaker 1: you became boyfriend and girlfriend just as the ceremony dictates.
Speaker 1: We can exactly everyone was naked. Um, So that was
Speaker 1: January twenty sixteen, and then so it must have been
Speaker 1: a couple months later twenty ninth of fab twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I got into my head that I was going to
Speaker 1: propose to him on that day because there's that whole
Speaker 1: tradition of like on a leap year day the woman
Speaker 1: can propose. Of course, you can propose whenever you like,
Speaker 1: but that's a sort of tradition thing. But if you
Speaker 1: don't do it on leap year, it doesn't count, that's apparently.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you did it on not leap year,
Speaker 1: you're not actually engaged. So yeah, I was going to
Speaker 1: do it on that day, and I talked myself out
Speaker 1: of it because we don't even go in out two
Speaker 1: months and I was like, for me, oh, that's mental.
Speaker 1: But then a month after that, I told James that
Speaker 1: I was going to do that and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would have said yes, And so then we just
Speaker 1: got engaged anyway. So I kind of wish I had
Speaker 1: just done it because I do think he would have
Speaker 1: said yes, And even though it's crazy after being together
Speaker 1: two months, you know, I think the outcome would have
Speaker 1: still been the same, So I should have just So
Speaker 1: the message here is if you want to propose to someone,
Speaker 1: just do it. So that's why I'm going back to.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most inspiration two episodes we've
Speaker 1: ever done. Seize the day, do what you want. If
Speaker 1: you ever proposed it. Someone, Just do it, Just fucking
Speaker 1: do it. I knew we were going to get married
Speaker 1: before we even started going out. I just knew it.
Speaker 1: And I never wanted to get married before that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd go back to that day and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'd think of some elaborate way of doing it that was,
Speaker 1: you know, a bit fun? What in your head? Yet? No,
Speaker 1: that's that's let means, let's decide, Now what would I do?
Speaker 1: I would, Oh, I'd do a treasure hunt around London.
Speaker 1: That'd be fun, wouldn't it. Oh, I'd get all of
Speaker 1: you got I get friends to be at different points
Speaker 1: in London and you give him the next clue. But
Speaker 1: are we like doing characters? Can I have a top
Speaker 1: pattern the star? Yeah? Yeah, you're in a top hat
Speaker 1: and tails and you're like Jack the Ripper. He comes
Speaker 1: finds me in East London. Yeah, there's a lovely girl
Speaker 1: down there I'm looking for and I appointed in the
Speaker 1: direct perfect you. I mean you were just doing Roy Kent.
Speaker 1: Then you're Roy Ken in top hat and tails plus
Speaker 1: Roy Kid. Yeah. So there we go, friends giving him
Speaker 1: a clue and we end up in where do we
Speaker 1: end up? Let's say where's somewhere in London that we
Speaker 1: let's say we end up. Oh, let's just let's just
Speaker 1: end up in Soho outside Soho Theater. Predictable, we've both
Speaker 1: done gigs there. No, it's a lovely place to end
Speaker 1: up there. We go at Soho Theater and I get
Speaker 1: down on one knee on stage. He thinks he's going
Speaker 1: into a show, right, Yes, stage on stage we all
Speaker 1: you've dreamed of. We move, we part like the sea,
Speaker 1: and in the middle of it is you, and you
Speaker 1: go down on one knee. Yeah, and I go, will
Speaker 1: you marry me? He says yes, and then we all
Speaker 1: get hammered. I love it. Okay, that's a really good
Speaker 1: that's a really good place to come back to you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I do. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: at some point we've got to talk about films better.
Speaker 1: You've been brought back to life, and the living are
Speaker 1: very excited to see you, especially as a lot helps
Speaker 1: you with this treasure. And I'm just happy to wear
Speaker 1: a top at and tels. Thank you for that. Living.
Speaker 1: They want to know about your life with the choices
Speaker 1: with film. Interesting, nothing wrong with this concept, Yeah, weird that,
Speaker 1: But first it's a flawless format. The first question they
Speaker 1: want to know, what was the last film you saw?
Speaker 1: The last film I saw was Kung Fu Panda. What's
Speaker 1: a movie? Brilliant movie? Watched it at home. The reason
Speaker 1: I watched it was because I'm writing on a kid's
Speaker 1: show at the moment. I write on a few different
Speaker 1: kids TV shows, and this is a new one. I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm allowed to say I've signed an NDA,
Speaker 1: but it's a new as a new kids show in development,
Speaker 1: and one of the references for the main character was
Speaker 1: Kung Fu Panda, and I hadn't seen it, so I
Speaker 1: thought I'd better watch it. I mean, can I tell?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not even I don't get NDA's I
Speaker 1: get it that it's like, oh, we don't want people
Speaker 1: to steal the idea. But part of me, whenever I
Speaker 1: get an NDA three for anything I read it, I'm like,
Speaker 1: no one gives a shit that you're doing this. I
Speaker 1: often think no one gives a ship. And also, what
Speaker 1: are you going to do? Yeah, what do you mean
Speaker 1: you'll sue me for three million? I don't have three million,
Speaker 1: So what are you going to do? If I went
Speaker 1: out on the street and said listen, guess what kids
Speaker 1: TV show I'm developing. And I just said the name
Speaker 1: of it, they'd be like, all right, I never heard
Speaker 1: of it. Crack on, I don't give a shit. Do
Speaker 1: you make people sign an NDA for Ted Lasse? No?
Speaker 1: I make people sign an NDA before I engage in
Speaker 1: any conversation with it. Yeah you do. Actually, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's like, that's that's just your own personal preference, because
Speaker 1: you're very if we're going to the cinema, if we're
Speaker 1: just hanging out, hey, how you doing? Sign this? And
Speaker 1: then what's your name? Sign my endio? So anyway, Kungfrey Pounder.
Speaker 1: It was brilliant. Actually really enjoyed it. So I went
Speaker 1: into it because I sort of like, oh, I've got
Speaker 1: to watch this kind of for work, so I'm not
Speaker 1: really that bothered. But then I really loved it. Poe
Speaker 1: loves Kung fit for anyone that doesn't know it, Poe
Speaker 1: loves Kung Fu. Wants to be a dragon warrior. His
Speaker 1: dad wants him to work in the noodle shop, but
Speaker 1: he's to follow your dream story. Yeah, And it's like,
Speaker 1: even if you're not necessarily good at something, you can
Speaker 1: work at it and be the best. Have you seen
Speaker 1: a Soul, the Pixar film Soul, Yes, I have, and
Speaker 1: I loved it. I love it. I love every single day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Soul was incredibly extraordinary film that the message was, like
Speaker 1: all films the messages follow your dream and achieve your dream.
Speaker 1: Follow your dream, achieve your dream. Realize that that's not enough.
Speaker 1: You need to look at some fucking leaves incredible. As
Speaker 1: someone with death anxiety, that film, I did really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: But the bit that I find uncomfortable watching is when
Speaker 1: they're on the convey about yeah at the end, at
Speaker 1: the end end, that bit I can't quite handle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I loved it, so Yeah, Kung Fu Panda, I
Speaker 1: would recommend it. By the way, as secretive is as
Speaker 1: open as you were. You and a friends of the
Speaker 1: podcast Raised Johnson are quite secretive about your career, in
Speaker 1: which you seem to run and win awards for all
Speaker 1: the teachers TV as in you don't talk if like
Speaker 1: the amount of awards you've won and the fact that
Speaker 1: you write four of the biggest children's TV shows ever
Speaker 1: and it's not all you talk about is weird to me.
Speaker 1: I guess it's because never talk about it. And then
Speaker 1: I find out, Oh, you've just won another Oscar for Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we sort of fell into it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why we feel like we still write, you know,
Speaker 1: we still write adult stuff, or we're still sort of
Speaker 1: performers of adult stuff. So I get sometimes a bit
Speaker 1: nervous to promote the kids Telly stuff too much, because
Speaker 1: I sort of if I tweet an Instagram about our birthday,
Speaker 1: I'm in a sketch group called birthday Girls. If I'm
Speaker 1: promoting that, the content of that is often quite rude
Speaker 1: and sweary. So I feel a bit of a responsibility
Speaker 1: not to have loads of kids following me on social media.
Speaker 1: That's part of it, but I'm very proud of it,
Speaker 1: very proud of it. I love writing for kids, Telly. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll start talking about it more. If you
Speaker 1: want me, please talk about it. Who do you think
Speaker 1: should play you in the film of your Life? I
Speaker 1: struggled with this a bit, and I started googling half
Speaker 1: Guyanese actors because I'm half Guyanese. I was thinking who
Speaker 1: could I get. The only person I could really find
Speaker 1: was Letitia Right, who is Guyanese but she looks nothing
Speaker 1: like me. I love her and I know she is incredible,
Speaker 1: but I've said, Okay, who've who I've gone for. This
Speaker 1: isn't because I I think I look like her. This
Speaker 1: is like the Hollywood version if it's like someone who's
Speaker 1: like a hundred times fitter than me, and she's playing
Speaker 1: like the Hollywood version of me. Okay, okay, when I
Speaker 1: say I don't want to be like, oh, you think
Speaker 1: you're like her, Mela Cooness, Oh that's what I've gone with. That.
Speaker 1: That's perfectly reasonable because I feel like she does comedy
Speaker 1: and drama my dream career, you know, having your finger
Speaker 1: in both pies. She's got Yeah, she's got comedy chops.
Speaker 1: But I think she's a good actor, brilliant and black Swan.
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, if I could have anyone, why
Speaker 1: not her. I think that's a really good answer. And
Speaker 1: you are equally as as as fit as as Mela Coo.
Speaker 1: Don't you ever talk about less than Yeah? But you
Speaker 1: know everyone's got the Hollywood version of themselves. You know
Speaker 1: you're thinking, no, it's just me, Actually i'd play me. No,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the Hollywood version of me is a Spanish
Speaker 1: guy in a show called Sense that I have that
Speaker 1: people say I look like and then and I always like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is it just to go with big eyeballs? And
Speaker 1: then I looked him up and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he really is. He's a he's a fear. He's me
Speaker 1: about fit. I'll google him anyway. What is the most
Speaker 1: romantic film you've ever seen? The most romantic film I've
Speaker 1: ever seen is The Last Black Man in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: I love that film. It's not love. It's not about
Speaker 1: sexual romance or a sort of you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a love affair between between two people. But
Speaker 1: I find it very romantic to watch that. His love
Speaker 1: for his childhood home and his desire it is like
Speaker 1: it is, It's like it's a it's a real passion
Speaker 1: and desire he has to be in that home, and
Speaker 1: also the love he has for his city, for San Francisco,
Speaker 1: which is changing, becoming gentrified. And it's not necessarily a
Speaker 1: happy sort of romance, but I do think it's very romantic.
Speaker 1: And as a film, it looks beautiful and the soundtrack
Speaker 1: is beautiful, which I think really adds to the romance
Speaker 1: of it. The music by Emil Messei I listened to.
Speaker 1: I listened to that soundtrack quite a lot. It's quite melancholy.
Speaker 1: But this is a fantastic thank you. It's such a
Speaker 1: brilliant answer. It's a very romantic film, and it looks incredible,
Speaker 1: and it's all about longing it is. I would recommend
Speaker 1: everyone watched the film, and even if you aren't sure,
Speaker 1: just watched the first five minutes. I think the first
Speaker 1: five minutes usually alone. It's beautiful. Yeah, and even though
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have a sort of a happy ending,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, with some amazing romances Romeo
Speaker 1: and Juliet for example, like not the happiest ending. They
Speaker 1: don't have a happy ending, but the romance of it
Speaker 1: was still so beautiful and intense. Well, there we go.
Speaker 1: But the families do stop fighting, don't they? So in
Speaker 1: a way it is a really done them for both.
Speaker 1: What's the best film you ever saw that you never
Speaker 1: want to see again? A Star is Born? Why are
Speaker 1: you laughing at that? I don't know. It just surprised me.
Speaker 1: You always surprised me. I don't, yeah, because it was
Speaker 1: so Yeah, I'm just fascinated. Why you never want to
Speaker 1: see it again? But you loved it? Okay? I it
Speaker 1: had so much hype before I went to see it.
Speaker 1: Right that, I was like, Okay, it's had so much high,
Speaker 1: am I going to love it. I've never seen the
Speaker 1: other versions. I've only seen the most recent one, The
Speaker 1: Lady gargat One, and I did love it. My one
Speaker 1: of my dad's loves country music and plays the guitar.
Speaker 1: I used to used to. I had a phase where
Speaker 1: I loved Tricia Yearwood when I was younger. I really
Speaker 1: like country music, and so I loved the music in it,
Speaker 1: and I loved their relationship in it, and I just
Speaker 1: loved the heart. I love the film, but it made
Speaker 1: me cry so so much. I found it so sad
Speaker 1: and painful to watch that I never want to watch
Speaker 1: it again. I thought about it loads afterwards, and it
Speaker 1: just made me feel so sad. I can appreciate that
Speaker 1: I loved it, but yeah, I never need to see
Speaker 1: it again. Okay, I can get that very good answer,
Speaker 1: thank you. What's the best action film you've ever seen?
Speaker 1: Camlely Chan. Okay, So I was going to go in
Speaker 1: with the kill Bills, especially Kill Bill number one. I
Speaker 1: love Kill Bill, absolutely love it, but I felt like
Speaker 1: maybe that was a bit trad So I've actually gone for.
Speaker 1: No one said it, no one said the kill they
Speaker 1: really maybe I have to stop it. I want to
Speaker 1: hear your what. I went for tread I went for Hannah. Oh,
Speaker 1: very old, very old, very old. Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 1: Sorcaronan is amazing. And there's a bit in that film
Speaker 1: which isn't the most like hot, sort of like fast
Speaker 1: paced action bit of it. But I think about it.
Speaker 1: Loads that scene where she's in the Cia Cia place
Speaker 1: and she's in the room and Cape Blanchet baddy. She
Speaker 1: wants to see Cape Blanchet the baddy, but they send
Speaker 1: it a dummy Cape Blanchet as a decoy, and then
Speaker 1: she's hugging her and then she breaks her neck. I
Speaker 1: hate that bit. I hate I hate it. Next stuff
Speaker 1: makes me feel weird? Next is it? But I just
Speaker 1: thought that was a I think that's quite a yeah.
Speaker 1: I find that an interesting action thriller. You ever seen
Speaker 1: the film Frozen, it's the Disney one. It's the one
Speaker 1: where people are stuck up a ski lift for a weekend.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no I haven't. There's a scene in
Speaker 1: that that has haunted me forever, and I probably I
Speaker 1: probably also think about this every days. I think about
Speaker 1: all the things I think about every day where one
Speaker 1: of the It's one of the worst things I've ever
Speaker 1: seen on film, and it's like your neck fear. It's
Speaker 1: made me scared of Are you going to say it? Now?
Speaker 1: Should I watch it? Do you want me to say it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You definitely shouldn't watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Well they're like
Speaker 1: they've been left up this ski lift and their mars
Speaker 1: up in the air already. That terrible. I don't like.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of that. And the things shut
Speaker 1: down for the weekend, so they're stuck up there and
Speaker 1: they're freezing to death. And one of the guys are like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I could jump, Maybe I could just jump down
Speaker 1: and get out, but they're very high up and he's like,
Speaker 1: what else can we do? And he's I'm wearing ski boots.
Speaker 1: Oh god, jumps and he lands and you like, the
Speaker 1: camera's like on his legs and then all his bones
Speaker 1: shoot up through is I mean, it's so horrible. I
Speaker 1: think about it every single day. That's horrible, and it
Speaker 1: scares me. I would rather break my neck than my
Speaker 1: leg My leg bones shoot up through my guys, How
Speaker 1: how have they filmed that? I mean, it's horrible. But
Speaker 1: that's what I think about the scene Hannah as well
Speaker 1: as an actor. I don't know if I could be
Speaker 1: the dummy decoy with with the person pretending to break
Speaker 1: my neck, because I'd be like, what if you actually
Speaker 1: by accident, you get too into it and you twist
Speaker 1: a bit too hot. It's making me feel funny. I no, okay,
Speaker 1: probably put a trigger warning on all this. What's the
Speaker 1: of all the films? If you had to come, which
Speaker 1: film do you think you could have made? And why?
Speaker 1: Happy Feet? Happy Feet? You've got? I love that happy
Speaker 1: an incredible animated film. Yeah, penguins. Yeah, because Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't rale really very well. So I'm I'm when you
Speaker 1: ask me this question, I'm basically imagining myself is like
Speaker 1: the overseer of the project. I'm like the director of
Speaker 1: the project. So I'm hiring in the animators. Fine. I
Speaker 1: connect with that film because, just like Mumble, I've got
Speaker 1: a terrible singing voice. I agreed to disagree, hard agreed
Speaker 1: to disagree, Brett my singing. My singing makes you cry
Speaker 1: with laughter because it's so bad. Cry because I'm so mood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Mumble can't sing, but I'd like to think of
Speaker 1: myself as a bit of a dancer, just like Mumble.
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's so brilliant, It's got incredible music,
Speaker 1: It's got a lovely message, like the socially conscious message
Speaker 1: of don't over fish, over fishing game demons, don't ruin
Speaker 1: the natural habitat. I feel like if I made a film,
Speaker 1: I would want to have some kind of message or
Speaker 1: like something that people are talking about and making them
Speaker 1: think about. And I kind of like the idea of
Speaker 1: the first film I make being animated because I think
Speaker 1: it takes away the ego of the actor being seen
Speaker 1: on screen. I think it'd be quite fun working with
Speaker 1: actors with just their voices. I watched the back I
Speaker 1: watched the behind the scenes of Mohanna where they're all
Speaker 1: doing the you know, singing the songs, and Lin Manuel's like,
Speaker 1: do it a bit like this, do it a bit
Speaker 1: like that? I could do that, just say it, but
Speaker 1: maybe maybe think about this and try it again. And
Speaker 1: I just say, it'd be quite fun directing a film that, yeah,
Speaker 1: just actors voices and then getting to work with animators
Speaker 1: who I mean it means I'm not giving any work
Speaker 1: to the makeup and the costume departments worry about that.
Speaker 1: But I think animation is so like I sort of
Speaker 1: I know, I should have picked something that I feel
Speaker 1: like I could do because of my skills, but I think,
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a dream world where I can
Speaker 1: do anything. I think animated films are so collaborative and
Speaker 1: seems so fun to make, and of recent years have
Speaker 1: been some of my favorite films. You are you never
Speaker 1: failed to surprise me. That's an excellent answer, Thank you. Also,
Speaker 1: do you know that film's directed by the Mad Max
Speaker 1: director Happy Feet? The same man made Happy Feet, made
Speaker 1: Mad Max, Fury Raid Max, Right Max? Two? Well, there
Speaker 1: we go. I'm starting with Happy Feet. I'm moving on
Speaker 1: to Mad Max. Oh yeah, that's your next film that
Speaker 1: you make. Yeah, exactly. I love that that he's done
Speaker 1: Happy Feet and then done that Mac. That's brilliant film.
Speaker 1: You pretended to like to impress people. What's the film
Speaker 1: you pretended to like to impress people? Comarche Basic in Stinct,
Speaker 1: And it's not so much that I pretend to like it.
Speaker 1: This is going to shock you, is that I pretend
Speaker 1: to have seen it. I have never seen Basic Instinct.
Speaker 1: I know. Wow, I know and to the point where
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even so. I watched that documentary, Um,
Speaker 1: Don't Fuck with Cats about the killer. Have you seen it?
Speaker 1: I've not seen it. Oh yeah, you're against You're against documentaries,
Speaker 1: aren't you. I'm not again to documentaries. I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge fan of You're just not a mad a mad
Speaker 1: doc fan. Yeah. Any in time? Oh yeah, ain't got
Speaker 1: a lot of time of time. You've already watched every
Speaker 1: single film in the world. I've got to watch all
Speaker 1: the films in the world. Difficult to whack in a
Speaker 1: temperature crimer. Yeah wow, I'm sure it's excellent. This documentary,
Speaker 1: Don't Fuck with Cats. It's about a killer called Luke Manyotta,
Speaker 1: and it transpires this is a huge spoiler, so turn
Speaker 1: away now if you don't want to hear this, But
Speaker 1: your transpires that he is obsessed with the film Basic Instinct,
Speaker 1: and there are things that happen in the documentary in
Speaker 1: the true life story that they start to realize it's
Speaker 1: been inspired by Basic Instinct, to the point where he
Speaker 1: goes to a lawyer who basically looks exactly like Michael Douglas.
Speaker 1: Is it Michael Douglas is in basic and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're doing very well. Okay, thank you. And I remember
Speaker 1: watching that with James. I need to check with James
Speaker 1: if I've told him that I'm not seeing basic instinct,
Speaker 1: because when that's when we were watching the documentary and
Speaker 1: stuff's happening, James is like, wow, that's mental. That's just
Speaker 1: like a basic instinct. And I'm like, yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is so mad. Oh yeah, it looks like yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: and that's when she does she's got the cigarette and
Speaker 1: the oh that is mad. And I've not seen it,
Speaker 1: so yeah, and I feel like it's bad not to
Speaker 1: have seen that. Well, you've taken that question made it
Speaker 1: similar to the next the next one, which is, what
Speaker 1: is the film you've never seen that you think it's mad?
Speaker 1: You've never seen it. So I realized that, yeah, that
Speaker 1: could be basic instinct. But another film that I've never
Speaker 1: seen that I do think is absolutely insane. I've not
Speaker 1: seen is Chitty Chitty Bang Bang That is mad? What
Speaker 1: is the film you love that you don't expect anyone
Speaker 1: else to like? Patrick? Oh? That oh con okay, let
Speaker 1: me explain I've chosen Patrick, it's a film. To explain
Speaker 1: what Patrick is. I actually do love it. It's a
Speaker 1: film that my best friend BT Edmondson is in. She's
Speaker 1: the main part, and it's about she inherits a pug,
Speaker 1: a dog, and then it's a sort of love story
Speaker 1: and it's you know, she's she's the pug helps her
Speaker 1: overcome a period in her life, and it has a
Speaker 1: happy ending and the pugs with her and she meets
Speaker 1: the guy. And I do love it. I think Beatie
Speaker 1: would say herself that maybe, you know, maybe critically so,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not the best film in the world. But
Speaker 1: I'm such a bit for picking this. I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell her she's gonna I think she'll laugh. I hope
Speaker 1: she's gonna laugh. But I genuinely do love it, but
Speaker 1: partly because Beatie's in it, and I think she is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I remember going to the premiere of it and
Speaker 1: we went and I remember, you know, she was all
Speaker 1: dressed up and she's having her picture taken and we
Speaker 1: went to watch it and it was a screening where
Speaker 1: loads of dogs were allowed to come and watch it,
Speaker 1: and of course I love that love dogs, and she's
Speaker 1: brilliant in it, and I just remember feeling so like
Speaker 1: this is so cool. My friend is the main part
Speaker 1: in a film, and I love it and I stand
Speaker 1: by it. I would watch that film again. I would
Speaker 1: watch that over A Star is Born any day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great film. That's a that's that's absolutely lovely.
Speaker 1: You've said that in a way, in a way, what
Speaker 1: is the film you would show a lover as a
Speaker 1: test to see if you should be together in the heights? Ah? Yes,
Speaker 1: good morning, Lesnarvy. I love that. I love that film
Speaker 1: with all my heart. Yeah, I loved it. I know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've not read the reviews, but I've
Speaker 1: been told it had mixed reviews mixed to good. I'd
Speaker 1: say too mixed to mainly good, okay good. I'm glad
Speaker 1: about that. I thought it was brilliant, brilliant. It's the
Speaker 1: first film I saw in the cinema since the pandemic,
Speaker 1: so I hadn't been to the cinema in ages, and
Speaker 1: I want to see that, and so I think I'll
Speaker 1: always remember it for that as well. That was like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, back in the cinema, and I love I
Speaker 1: love it. And I'm not even a crazy fan of
Speaker 1: like musical theater or musical films necessarily, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I think if I took someone to see that, a
Speaker 1: potential lover and they're not enjoying that, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: what do you not enjoy life? Yeah? Yeah, completely. I
Speaker 1: can't get on board with you if you don't enjoy
Speaker 1: that film. If you don't enjoy In the Heights, you're
Speaker 1: not good at sex. It is a sexy film actually
Speaker 1: for a family film. You can put that on the poster.
Speaker 1: Brett Girls seeing the films through very weird says, if
Speaker 1: you do not like In the Heights, you are not
Speaker 1: good at sex. I'll agree with you. Yeah. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is the film that made you the most uncomfortable? Or
Speaker 1: was it when I took you to In the Heights
Speaker 1: and it turned to you and said, okay, I've gone
Speaker 1: for the Octopus teacher. Have you seen it? You have
Speaker 1: seen it? Thumbs up a perfect answer. Okay, if you've
Speaker 1: not seen it. It follows a filmmaker, a man who
Speaker 1: goes to the same bit of sea every day near
Speaker 1: Cape Town, goes dive in, and he basically he forms
Speaker 1: a relationship with an octopus. Yeah. I loved it, absolutely
Speaker 1: loved it, and you know as a whole, which doesn't
Speaker 1: maybe uncomfortable. But I just remember there being a moment
Speaker 1: in it where I thought to myself, oh my god,
Speaker 1: am I about to watch a man have sex with
Speaker 1: an octopus? And that that's wrong? Please tell me that's
Speaker 1: not going. I really felt like that's where it was going.
Speaker 1: It isn't where it's going. It's actually a beautiful comment
Speaker 1: on the relationship between animals and humans and yeah, life,
Speaker 1: the fragility of life, like it's amazing. But there were
Speaker 1: parts of it that made me feel uncomfortable. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: kept checking the rating in the rate. I think it's
Speaker 1: a you that film, and I kept thinking, how is
Speaker 1: I fucked an octopus? You? It does really a film,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's a romantic drama about a man an octoperson.
Speaker 1: It's building towards then and the way he either way
Speaker 1: he talks about it is like, yeah, we were sucking,
Speaker 1: well yeah, yeah, but fucking what's wrong with that? But
Speaker 1: then when she mates, I'm thinking, you are jealous of
Speaker 1: that other octopus? Yeah, and when yeah, and then they
Speaker 1: have a cuddle. The thing is also there's bits missing
Speaker 1: because it's an editor, you know, it's edited. It was
Speaker 1: like a year's worth of footage. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: see the unseen bits if you cut out all the
Speaker 1: times you were fucking yeah, but it's very moving and
Speaker 1: but you're right, there is an element of I don't
Speaker 1: know if we should be watching you fucking an octopus,
Speaker 1: which I guess is why that those bits have been
Speaker 1: edited out exactly. Yeah, and you know he doesn't want
Speaker 1: everyone to know that that's what he was like every
Speaker 1: time he says there's some days he went diving he
Speaker 1: didn't see her. Come on, mate, Sa, we know that
Speaker 1: you're Saura. But it is brilliant. It's brilliant, if uncomfortable
Speaker 1: at times. No, and to be fair, I don't know
Speaker 1: how octopus is consent. But the octopus always did seem
Speaker 1: pleased to see him. Oh yeah, she was putting her
Speaker 1: tentacles out, wasn't she. Yeah, they did. It did seem
Speaker 1: like a consensual, you know, relationship in which she was
Speaker 1: always please see him, please see her, you know, good
Speaker 1: luck to them, whatever they got up to, good luck
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. It's a free country. If you could
Speaker 1: show a child one film, what would it be? Beethoven,
Speaker 1: the first one of the series, A magnifique. Oh, just
Speaker 1: such a good film. I remember watching that as a
Speaker 1: kid with my family. Just such a good film, and
Speaker 1: it teaches kids a lot. Don't always trust men in
Speaker 1: positions of power. In this case the veterinarian. Don't trust
Speaker 1: that guy. Don't trust it. Having big dogs around the house,
Speaker 1: they can cause a bit of chaos exactly. Think about
Speaker 1: getting a dog before you get it. But the families
Speaker 1: all coming together in the end, you know, fighting against
Speaker 1: the evil that you know. I think actually doing this,
Speaker 1: I've realized so many of my films do have animals,
Speaker 1: in which I didn't intend for that to be the
Speaker 1: case until I've finished answering them and realized obsessed with animals.
Speaker 1: I'm bloody obsessed, I think I am. It's just happened
Speaker 1: that way. I don't know how. Yeah, that's the theme
Speaker 1: of the pod. I suppose Beethoven does have the eighties,
Speaker 1: eighties slash nineties Hollywood template of to be your man.
Speaker 1: The other of the family has to punch someone, and
Speaker 1: then the worst goes, I've never been more attracted to you.
Speaker 1: It does it? Does it? Definitely does have it, definitely
Speaker 1: does have that to it. He punches the vet, doesn't
Speaker 1: it Yeah yeah, and then goes, oh wow, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: so manly finally, Yeah, it does. I can respect you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and before that they only respected the dog biteven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the dog was ruling the house until he punched someone
Speaker 1: and then then bathe heaven goes you're the king. But
Speaker 1: I would say that, and you know, any of that
Speaker 1: kind of ilk of film, any of that free willye
Speaker 1: Andre Babe, something with an animal in it. Hey, guess
Speaker 1: who made bait? Who the man who made Happy Feet,
Speaker 1: mad Max Fury Road, let's call him your favorite. I
Speaker 1: think he's my favorite director. Yeah, wow, he made Babe
Speaker 1: made Babe Babies is a top tener probably, if you
Speaker 1: think about it. Definitely. I'm finding it hard to get
Speaker 1: my head around that he's gone from those to Mad
Speaker 1: Max great masterpieces. Yeah, completely, Chan, you've been absolutely magnificent
Speaker 1: again Top five? Can you have both episodes in the
Speaker 1: top five? You could certainly think about it. Now, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. I've brought you back to life because I
Speaker 1: like you, and you know what, having listened to everything
Speaker 1: you've said, I'm going to let you live for a while.
Speaker 1: What until I naturally, my life naturally comes to an end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see if I come up with a
Speaker 1: trilogy Okay, purgatory, you should do purgatory. Yeah, in the meantime,
Speaker 1: just a thought in the meantime when you you still
Speaker 1: have to write a will because you know you might die,
Speaker 1: I might come come looking for you any time. Just
Speaker 1: see you know you're not entirely safe in your will.
Speaker 1: Would you like to leave one DVD for the people
Speaker 1: you love? And would it be after lots of regrets
Speaker 1: for going with what I went with the previous pod? Mhmm,
Speaker 1: I think I went with free Willy in the previous part.
Speaker 1: I think I take back all my regrets and I'm
Speaker 1: going to stick with it. Free Willy. You put you
Speaker 1: You've got buried with free Willy. You've come back, You've
Speaker 1: picked three Willy out of your own coffin, and you've
Speaker 1: gone to the lawyer. Put that in my wheel, you
Speaker 1: know what, Free Willy. I want people to think I
Speaker 1: have fucked animals and it is very important, but that
Speaker 1: is their last thing memory dramatically and actually, so here's
Speaker 1: here's a DVD. Yeah, yeah, why not? Okay, Camille, you've
Speaker 1: been ah, haven't you have? I I hope? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there anything you'd like to tell people to look
Speaker 1: out for to watch to listen to. I think you've
Speaker 1: got a show coming up. Oh yes, I don't know
Speaker 1: when this pod is going out. When do you think
Speaker 1: this pod might go out? A couple of weeks? Could
Speaker 1: it go out before the twenty sixth of August? We
Speaker 1: are doing Me and a friend of the pod, Rose Johnson,
Speaker 1: are doing some live shows. Very exciting. Performed live for
Speaker 1: the first time in eighteen months last week, doing it
Speaker 1: again in a couple of weeks twenty sixth and twenty
Speaker 1: eighth of August above the Stag Theater. We're doing an
Speaker 1: hour together of sketches and characters, so look out for that.
Speaker 1: I've written my first play which is going to be
Speaker 1: on in a theater next year called Redding Rep. They're launching,
Speaker 1: They're they're launching their fit. They're obviously meant to launch
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, and luckily they're still able to, you know,
Speaker 1: go ahead and do their launch towards the end of
Speaker 1: this year. And yep, so my play should be going
Speaker 1: on there next year. It's called Three Hens in a
Speaker 1: Boat and that will be on a rereading rep. I
Speaker 1: think that's all a plug for now you. I'm on Twitter,
Speaker 1: I'm on Insta, I think I'm just Camille Uchan on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram. I've got a podcast, Birthday, Girls, house Party.
Speaker 1: It's great. Please listen to that. Brett's done it before.
Speaker 1: This is an award winning trin TV right, just doesn't
Speaker 1: like to talk about it. So you can do it.
Speaker 1: Oh this one, Camille, Thank you for doing the show
Speaker 1: again live. Thank you for having me again. Thank you
Speaker 1: for bringing back to life relieved. May you live forever.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and good day to you. Good day yeay.
Speaker 1: So that was episode one hundred and sixty one. Head
Speaker 1: over to patreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein for
Speaker 1: the extra twenty five minutes of chat, secrets and video
Speaker 1: with Camille. Go to Apple Podcast give us a five
Speaker 1: star rating, but don't write about the show. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about the show. Write about
Speaker 1: the film that means the most to you and why
Speaker 1: it means the most to you. That's the ship I
Speaker 1: want to read. That's the ship Mooring wants to read.
Speaker 1: We love all that. Thank you very much, Thank you
Speaker 1: all for listening to the show. Thanks to Camille for
Speaker 1: doing it. Thanks to Screaming Pip and the Distraction Pieces Network.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Buddy Piece for producing it, thanks to a
Speaker 1: Cars for hosting it, Thanks to Adam Richardson for the graphics,
Speaker 1: at least a law them for the photography. Come and
Speaker 1: join me next week. I've got a really good guest
Speaker 1: next week. Could you believe it? Of course you can.
Speaker 1: Every week they're all good. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: you Hu though it's a surprise. I hope you love it.
Speaker 1: I hope everyone as well. Please take care of yourselves.
Speaker 1: So that is it for now. In the meantime, have
Speaker 1: a lovely week and please be excellent to each other.
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