WEBVTT - Ep. 103 Thirteen Bullets 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.680 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening n E podcast, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:23.520 you can't predict anything presented by first light. Go farther, 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:38.120 stay longer, All right? Start? What why? Why are you 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.559 guys uncomfortable? How? How I'm sitting at a desk like 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:45.040 an evening newscaster. Well you have your pants on, right? Yes? Okay, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.440 because nowadays there was a time when you could do that, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.640 but nowadays you need to have I'm at a desk 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.720 with a computer and papers in front of me, and 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:59.720 it's intimidating to uh Ryan Callahan and Janice Poodles. It is. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.000 It's seems like we're just not all part of the 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.400 conversation here. I'm not to swivel. Well, I'm leading from 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:10.160 over here at this desk. Like the old time. There 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.280 was a time when America would tune in at night 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:19.600 in a and a middle aged white gentleman would explain 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.360 to you what's going on in the world, and it 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.480 was a shared experience, and oftentimes they were pantless. And 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.920 we're hearkening back to those days with me here at 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:34.640 this desk with these pieces of paper. Um Callahan, do 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.520 you remember the last time we spoke, we talked about 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.360 a fellow by the name of Kaido. Oh. He was 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:48.600 breaking down how he does sushi salmon. That he berries 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.760 it in kashr salt for eight minutes. So he takes 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.000 a fish flat skin on, berries it in kashr salt 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.639 for eight minutes. There's berries in salt for eight minutes. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.800 And then rinse is the flay, and that's where you 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:06.560 how you get buttery. Yeah, I feel like he must 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:11.200 have broken some unspoken rule, like some smoking mirrors of 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:16.760 the sushi industry. Everybody's blown away by that. He wrote back, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:23.600 he wants you to know this. Yes, that's what he does. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.959 We did not have it wrong. He says, he does 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:34.640 half flay's um, leaves the skin on it when he 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.320 salts it. Cat he thinks it controls a little bit 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.200 of the moisture loss. And then he says when because 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.360 you gotta pull the pin bones pull him after you 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.040 salt the flame. So cover the whole flay in salt. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.640 Count to count what's eight times sixty? That is a 0:02:54.680 --> 0:03:00.560 hard math problem. Count to four and then the count 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:05.799 to four like one Mississippi four times. Then rinse all 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:10.240 the salt off, then pull the the then pull the pinbones, 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.120 because he said absolutely no longer than ten minutes. Tracks. Yeah, 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.120 And he says that when you pull those pinbones, it 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.040 doesn't do any damage to the meat. It's just they 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.440 just slip right out. I've seen that, because if you 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.440 freeze a flay and then pull the pinbones after you 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.560 freeze it, it it does a lot less damage. It loses 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.160 its grip on the pin bones. When you pin bone 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.959 a fresh fish, you're pulling up little popsicles. Yes, bone 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.000 with meat hanging off the end. Yeah, you can make 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.280 him look like junk fast. What he also says is this, 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.160 and I do. I learned this from my old man. Well, 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.880 my old man learned it from Eugene Grotors. Lord knows 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.840 where Eugene grots learned it from. But when he's handling 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.480 salmon flays, and this kind of goes for all fish flays, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.040 he makes a hole at the tail through the skin 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.680 to make a little finger gripper hole, and that's how 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.800 he handles it. He doesn't carried around by holding the 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.720 meat and doesn't maneuver it that way. He makes at 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.720 the tail cuts a little hole and that's how it 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.560 isn't that isn't that right? Yeah, it's back me up. 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.520 We make a little finger hole and fish flats oftentimes 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.880 to tote them around and to skin him because he 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.000 gives you something to grab onto. He says, he does that. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:24.919 This from a this from a full on sushi chef. Um. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.200 That way you handle the flay, all the stresses on 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.800 the skin and not on the meat. The skin never breaks. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.120 He goes on to say this Callahan, He says, it 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:38.080 spells your name right. Loves to use call fat. He 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.720 soaks it in buttermilk to purge it and flavor it. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.680 He likes to add a tablespoon of old bass spice 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.680 mix to the buttermilk and then soak his call fat 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.560 in air and also his liver. That's gonna make a 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.680 young Ford van Fasten at the First Light office very happy. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.760 He's a Marylander and he thinks the sun rises and 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.280 sets on old bay. Uh. That's good ship. I like it, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.560 I mean for like just like an all purpose It's 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.200 right up there with Tony Seas. Oh yeah, I think 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.880 it is very distinct, No, from my desk, from my 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.839 desk in a in a position that would suggest authority 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:27.960 over those around me, No, Tony sees. I don't know 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.000 why we always called Uncle Tom's seasoning. I have no 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.919 idea where that came from, Like something to do with 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:38.320 Uncle Tom's cabin. But um, Tony, how does it? Someone? 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.960 You know what? I had some Cajun boys I said 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:42.919 that one time. Some Cajun boys told me that I 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.960 had it. I was so far off I don't even 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:50.880 say it anymore. Oh yeah, I get shell shocked by cherries. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.839 That's not it, Sash. No family is safe when I 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.640 say that's a rock song. But that stuff? You like 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.120 Old Bay as much as that? Yeah, in its place 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.360 for sure. Yeah, that's because you hang out in North 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.240 Carolina all the time. I like. I eat a lot 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.920 of seafood too, from North Carolina. That's what I'm saying. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.520 They probably use a lot of Old Bay down there. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.000 Not a ton My father in law doesn't. He likes it, 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:26.359 playing it simple, you know. Kido also says this on 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.840 the subject of Morrell's he's talking to you and this, well, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.520 he's talking to me and this. He spells your name 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.200 right in my name wrong. He spells me Steve ste 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.760 a v e Um. He says Morrell's Yeah, man, you 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.800 gotta rinse them place, don't run water over him. He 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:47.080 places them in water, let some salt for a while, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:53.119 the dirt falls away, and then he lifts them out 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.760 of the water gently. Is a denser than the mushroom 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.000 stuff and will sink to the bottom. And he doesn't 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.400 then use that water. If he does, he just imagine, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.880 just use the top and not get down in the silt. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.479 I told you guys this year that the few that 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.160 we found last spring turkey hunting, um, I did the 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:16.480 steam and freeze method and uh just had them frozen. Bay. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.960 I froze them on cookie sheets and then when once 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.320 they were frozen and dried, I just threw them into 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:26.520 gallons ziplock bags and uh, great products. Very happy when 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.840 it came back. I messed around freeze mushrooms. Was never 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:33.480 that happy about it steaming and freeze. So uh. Another 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.680 little thing I noticed is you really don't have to 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.040 go to cheese cloth if you want to reserve that liquid, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:44.880 because as you reduce that all those heavy parts, once 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.640 it gets down to like the bottom inch of liquid, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.680 they just start plaster into the side of your saucepan. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.560 Oh really, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I mean it is 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.320 clean as clean as a whistle. Yeah, uh, can I 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:04.480 tell you a little more? Call fat? A uh emergency 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:09.920 room doctor wrote in from Jackson, Michigan. He's an emergency 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.960 room doctor in Jackson does an ann arbor. He says 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.720 there's something we need to know about. The couple things 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.440 we should know about. Speaking of call fat, he says 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.800 humans have something similar to call fat Anatomically, it's called 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:29.080 momentum okay, and it hangs off the greater curvature of 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.000 the stomach and an overweight people, this cann cottain considerable 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:40.160 size due to fat deposition. When cleaning our dear, he 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.720 gives a basic anatomy class to his hunting tribe and 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.640 reminds him how similar human anatomy is the white tails 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.640 and most mammals for that matter. And he says, there's 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.959 some words we ought to know about for the stuff 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:57.200 we like to talk about. The paritoneal cavity is everything 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:01.280 below the diaphragm. The pair it to neil cavity that 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:06.240 contains below the diaphragm is in uh diaphragm to an 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:11.800 section Yeah downstream downstream um that's having deliver large and 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:17.280 small intestines spleen stomach and everything. So the pair ton 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:23.480 neal cavity when you're gutting a deer is below above 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.880 upstream is the thoracic cavity. This is where you got giosophagus, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.160 heart lungs, and your great vessels like the aorta and 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:36.400 vena cavin in Scotland. Hunted in Scotland one time with 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.000 the gamekeeper and they have a thing called like a 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:44.160 They like they got deer out in the field. They 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:52.240 got dear only below the diaphragm. You know what I'm saying, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.040 Like it's like the word they uses, like the glad. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.079 I don't know, glad. I'm screwing it up just because 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.480 the diaphragm is holding everything else. All this stuff that's 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.960 gonna sour fast is blow. You get all that out. 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.240 But then in the field you don't got diaphragm up 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.160 anything with the esophagus. They pull that, they cut the 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.520 windpipe or anything like that and pull the windpipe out. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.120 Remember this stuff is not gonna sit around though, But 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.800 I remember it was like that was He's like when 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.320 you got something, they got it like that, And we 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.040 got the parrot tonal and thrasc we remove the contents 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.440 of both the parrots and neil and thoracic cavities, and 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:38.040 those guys just removed the contents of the parrot toneal cavity. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.760 He goes on to have a whole lot to say 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:51.280 about getting poisoned by mushrooms man harrowing stuff which I'll 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.559 not get into right now. Um quick, oly thing I 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.840 want to touch on just from like feedback to feedback. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.720 I had two guys right in to say that in 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.440 the old days, no one bled Wally, but now people 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:09.400 bleed Walleye. This guy says, about ten years ago everyone 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:15.160 in lake Erie started bleeding Walleye. This guy says the 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.000 same thing. He fishes the western basin of Lake Erie, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.840 and he says, twenty years ago no one bled Walleye. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.720 Nowadays everyone bleeds Wally. They're using buckets of slash ice 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:32.560 and getting real particular about field care in Lake Erie. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.040 He says, better text your better flavor. When he got 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.120 when he bleeds him, he says, the meats whiter and 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.480 firmer fish last longer. I have not actually been able 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:48.520 to detect a flavor, and those ultra white fish. But yeah, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.000 I know you complain about Walleye about that, well, here's 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.480 how he does. Here's how he handles his walleye. Standard 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:57.040 practice is unhooked legal fish clip the front of the 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:01.560 gills with pruners. Picture he's talk about where to come 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.400 up together. Okay, right, blow the chin and then drop 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.920 the fish head first into a five gallon bucket half 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.720 filled with water. Fish and bleed out and dive very quickly. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:19.240 Then it's removed and iced. He's enjoying great success with 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:26.640 that method. That's cool. That's really cool. Now here's the 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.160 guy saying that when he breaks something and gotta fix it. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.240 He says, so it not with thread, you dumbass, but 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:38.440 with braided fishing line. Here's a guy. Wants to know 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:44.040 your guy's opinion on this. It's smart. Yeah, dental floss, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.320 he says, this is better than donal floss. Downal floss 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.800 strong step, braided fishing line strong. Yeah, but you don't 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.120 flash your teeth. I know, but yeah, I carry donal 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.280 floss and do my field repairs with dental floss. I've 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.839 got field repairs. I made a way ago. I sold 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.240 my sling up a long time ago with dental floss. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.280 I carry a little mini travel dental floss in my 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.800 kit into the back of that. I stitch a needle 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.079 meant for like fixing sailboat sails. It's got a curve 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.440 to it because little kids carry needles because they think 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.840 they watched Rambo and they think you're gonna sell yourself up. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.319 I've heard from doctors that that's not the way to 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.160 go about it. When you give yourself stitches, the first 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:29.640 thing they're gonna do when you get to the doctors 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.640 undo those stitches because it's just not properly cleaned in there. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.640 You're you're holding holding the nasty stuff. My friend who 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.439 is a doctor, stitched their own dog up one time 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.120 when we were hunting, and they even undid those stitches 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:49.040 that were done by a doctor to get everything sterile 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.719 in there and then do a redo. But we used 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.680 to all dream because Rambo stitched his arm, and we 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.120 used to all dream of stitching getting it if you 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:59.920 would be so lucky as to get into a sitchy 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.679 age where you could sell yourself back up, and then 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.320 you could point to it at some party later and like, 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.240 I know that looks a little rough, but understand that 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:12.680 I did that. I have a um coincidental counter story 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:17.839 because my cousin was somewhere deep in Colorado, not real 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.720 bad country, but like what do you call it, like 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.120 four World drive back country right across some slick spots 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.480 and whatnot. And they got to a spot and they 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.160 got to a snow drift and there was like some 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.680 trees down and anyways, they're chopping their way through it, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:35.359 and he put a hatchet right into his shin. Yeah, 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.040 and they I don't know the reason that they didn't 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.880 just leave, but they stitched them up and they stayed, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.120 and uh. He got to the hospital a couple of 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.320 days later, and they were like, good job, excellent, don't 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:56.720 need to do anything here. Bullshit, really really all right, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.640 here's one was it? Because they looked at him, they 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.040 were like, well, you're not gonna be able to pay 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.040 for this anyway. So maybe I feel like there was 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.800 an argument to that there was gonna be maybe more 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:12.520 damage done by going in there and messing around anymore 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.080 and trying to reopen the moon, especially after that, you know, 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.560 the time of whatever forty eight hours or more had 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.360 passed that there was some sort of thinking like that, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:27.200 let's say you're out hunting, you're out picture it. Yep, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.680 I'm setting the scene you're out hunting? How many bullets 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.920 you got with you? This is a great question. What 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.280 is the reasoning for this number? And what arguments have 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.000 guys had on the topic over the years? How many 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.040 bullets are you toting around out in the woods. Can't 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.360 believe we haven't covered this. I cannot believe we've never 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:50.960 talked about because I have very ah strong conflicted feelings 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.440 on the subject. Do you remember the last second to 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.120 last time we hunted B C. And we were up 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.800 on the mountain and this question just kind of came 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:07.760 up between Aaron, yourself and myself. All three of us 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.480 had thirteen rounds total days. Do you remember? No? I don't. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.840 I wish I remembered because that number feels good to me. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.800 The number feels good to me. It's an unlucky number, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.280 which I don't believe in. Don't maybe we all have 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.000 thirteen rounds because everyone knows that twenties too many? And 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.800 ten Because here's the thing, I start to, Okay, get 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:37.160 on a couple of issues. Well you go first. Why 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.080 I'll get around to why I carry thirteen around? Why 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:45.560 I carry around thirteen? Okay, three rounds in the magazine? 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.520 Oh that's why it's thirteen, uh three rounds in your 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:56.520 pocket or someplace quick access too in my pack, two 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.080 in my my hip pouch and me and three in 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.600 the mag two in the pouch. You got at least 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:06.399 two tags on most long huns, so that could be 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.760 you know, one to three rounds per animal if things 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.800 get sideways, and then if you fall on your butt 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.840 and you whack your scope, you want a couple of 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.480 rounds to sight back in with. Right, That's one of 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.879 the things in my head. How that adds up to 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.000 in my brain when I'm packing from my pack, Well, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.639 I don't know what I'll touch on. Two is um 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:37.119 that there's uh societal collapse while I'm out, and I 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.600 gotta reckon with that. So here I am, society has collapsed, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.359 ammunition value goes away. I'm like I have, I'm gonna 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.879 be residing in the mountains now for the foreseeable future 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.159 until I can sneak my way in and rescue my family. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.800 So then I got a factor that and add another 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:56.600 one another boulder two for that. So that's that's your 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:02.000 like little equation. Yes, that's it. But that would mean 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:03.960 that if you only had a teg. Let's say you 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.680 don't have a deer tag and elk teg you got 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.800 oh teg, you got oh dear tag? Do you then 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.399 take some out it would be yeah, by that it 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:18.359 would be reduced by three. Yeah. I mean, so you 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.879 do the you you calculate that carefully. No, I really don't. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.880 It's just and that's the question. It's like, that's typically 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.840 what I end up with in my between my person 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.639 and my pack. How I get there? I do not know. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.840 These numbers are definitely more of like backpack, Like I 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.320 can't get back to the truck tonight, Like I'm like 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.760 in there for a week, So if I haven't bought 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.320 my sculp, I gotta deal with it out here. No, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.600 because I do the same thing even day hunting. Yeah, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:51.040 even day hunting. Um, where it's like I leave my 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.199 vehicle before daylight and I know I'll get back to 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.879 my rig after dark. I will find myself still carrying 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.760 around the same number and I'm gonna explain how I've 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.240 come to it or like sort of the loose math 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:11.000 I'm running in my head. Um, but yeah, what's your number? 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.320 I would say that, Yeah, if I'm out there for 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.040 like if it's like a big hunt and we're backpacking 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.840 staying out there, I'm probably like full mag so if 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.000 that's three or four rounds, and then I've probably just 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:29.200 got a sleeve of ten um. You know. Lately we've 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:33.520 been shooting Federal ammo, which but before shooting Federal I 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.480 would just have reloaded stuff. So sort of depend on 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.960 what sort of container I had. So if the container 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.480 held eight, I'd probably have just had eight. But just 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.240 some way that I can organize it. You know, I 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:49.280 like to run those little stock pouches and sheet um. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.920 But man, I mean, don't talk about having a play. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.680 You don't have, no do I have like bullets hanging 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.320 off my stock. It's like a like a bullet losing device. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.760 Deal looks you know, look so oh you don't care. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.280 Like the bandelier look no, no, no, it looks so 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:10.080 put together. And Benny O'Brien was running one of those bandeliers. Yeah, 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.640 I guess what, because he was carrying a honest pitelis 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:17.080 rigged rifle. It's like I call like an ammunition dispersal device. 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.119 Know that one does have it on the outside, and 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.800 I feel like that is a flaw um. But the 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.320 other one I have, and I think I gave you 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.919 one like that, the one from Pig Tactical. It's zipped 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.040 in the power when I use. When I use that, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.760 I keep the ones that I would normally keep in 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.000 the hip belt of my pack and the hip pouch 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.960 my pack in that thing, because usually if you're in 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.320 this situation where things got as as I don't know 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:45.560 who coined the term, but Scott little Western squirrely. And 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.679 when I think they say Western, they're talking about like 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.560 maybe a Western movie shootout. No, I think they mean 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.480 just anything gone haywire. Because people that use people that 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.400 that use uh, they'll use it anything like like people 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.960 will say, um be running lions and like, oh the 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:03.639 things got a little Western. I when I hear them, 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.440 like oh the dog's got a new fight with a cat. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.840 If someone packs horses, things got a little Western, Like 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.240 oh the horses freaked out and ran down the hill 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:16.359 and scattered gear everywhere, gear everywhere. I got all tangled up, 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.080 kick someone in the face. Okay, Well, let's say you 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:23.440 get into what I'm saying that a synonym is squirrely, yeah, 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.760 or shootout except no, because someone told me they got 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.600 into a shootout, I'd be like I was like holy 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:32.639 people are shooting back at you. The deer were so, 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:35.600 but I feel like, um, you want to have those 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:39.280 extra rounds close and like top of the top pack 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.560 or top pouch on your pack. It's probably kind of 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.120 a close spot. But man on the stock your gun 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.399 is super close to where they need to go to 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.520 get more rounds down range. You know. Um, But I'd 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.240 say for day hunt, I'm probably like full mag plus 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.440 another pocket full of three or four maybe two full max. 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.280 So probably day hunt. If I'm going dawn to dusk, 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.639 i might be down to seven or eight. But if 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:07.680 I'm going back country for a week or whatever five days, 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.760 then it's uh in that thirteen range full magplus ten. 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:16.040 Something to think about as far as like your m 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:21.520 you know, cartridge containers, sleeves, um, you know the ones 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.840 that like hook on your belt and stuff like that. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:28.240 I've found one time, I've I watched a kid go 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.560 after his mantelope and he had a full box of 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:36.359 ammunition in one hand, rifle in the other. Stop to 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.959 make his first shot, put the box ammo down and 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:44.120 continued off into the prairie without his box ammo. Um. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.359 So I I found that and I just put it 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.399 on his truck hood. Uh, but then I've found two 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:55.240 other like cartridge containers, like in the back country, like 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.600 going up a trail, and the same exact thing must 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:02.600 have happened. Somebody stopped, did some shooting. I had to 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.600 pull out their sleeve anu and then took off. Yeah. 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:10.199 We one time climbed up this is on the Arctic slope, 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.080 like where no one's around, and there's a mound of 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:15.800 kind of like a like a little like a like 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.520 a little knob, like a little glass and tip with 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.480 a smooth thing on there. And you're out in the Arctic, 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.320 right and climb up there, and sure enough some lost 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.320 couple of bullets up top there, lost couple shells up there. 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.679 But my my thinking at it like I've arrived at 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.159 the same number, and it's it plays out in my 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.320 head like this. I don't want them. I don't need 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:41.320 a whole box, right, I don't need a whole box. 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.280 So what will happen is I'll put three in my magazine, 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.479 not one in the chamber, but I'll put three my magazine. 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.600 There's three. But then I'm thinking in my head, a 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:55.080 lot of things could happen. You could even lose the magazine. 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.879 It's happened where you're all hunting if you have a 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.399 detachable magazine all of a sudden. I used to be 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.720 so paranoid about it. I would put my magazine in 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:05.640 and then I would put a piece of duct tape 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.040 that wrapped up around each side to secure that. Man, 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:11.640 I was so paranoid about dropping that magazine. Major complaint. 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.880 I think, Well, I had word of those goofy remming 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.080 to Model seven hundreds a long time ago, and it 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:21.880 had like exposed buttons that would drop the magazine. I mean, 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:23.960 you'd look at that thing, funny in the magazine would 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.680 come out. So I used to duct tape that thing 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.879 on and I'd put a whole stock on there so 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.399 the duct tape would grab that stock material. And I 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.639 was so nervous about losing that thing all the time. 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:35.960 I'd click it in there and put a piece of 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:37.240 tape on it. I can still get it off in 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:40.000 a hurry, but in a in a situation like that, 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:41.920 I'm not gonna be reloading that anyways. Then you're just 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:45.440