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Speaker 1: guys uncomfortable? How? How I'm sitting at a desk like

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Speaker 1: an evening newscaster. Well you have your pants on, right? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 1: because nowadays there was a time when you could do that,

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Speaker 1: it's intimidating to uh Ryan Callahan and Janice Poodles. It is.

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Speaker 1: It's seems like we're just not all part of the

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Speaker 1: over here at this desk. Like the old time. There

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Speaker 1: was a time when America would tune in at night

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Speaker 1: in a and a middle aged white gentleman would explain

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Speaker 1: was a shared experience, and oftentimes they were pantless. And

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Speaker 1: we're hearkening back to those days with me here at

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Speaker 1: this desk with these pieces of paper. Um Callahan, do

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Speaker 1: a fellow by the name of Kaido. Oh. He was

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Speaker 1: breaking down how he does sushi salmon. That he berries

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Speaker 1: for eight minutes. There's berries in salt for eight minutes.

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Speaker 1: And then rinse is the flay, and that's where you

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Speaker 1: the sushi industry. Everybody's blown away by that. He wrote back,

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Speaker 1: We did not have it wrong. He says, he does

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Speaker 1: salt the flame. So cover the whole flay in salt.

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Speaker 1: Count to count what's eight times sixty? That is a

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Speaker 1: And he says that when you pull those pinbones, it

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Speaker 1: where Eugene grots learned it from. But when he's handling

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Speaker 1: We make a little finger hole and fish flats oftentimes

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Speaker 1: That way you handle the flay, all the stresses on

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Speaker 1: He goes on to say this Callahan, He says, it

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Speaker 1: He's a Marylander and he thinks the sun rises and

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Speaker 1: He says, so it not with thread, you dumbass, but

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Speaker 1: my sling up a long time ago with dental floss.

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Speaker 1: I've heard from doctors that that's not the way to

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Speaker 1: But my my thinking at it like I've arrived at

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Speaker 1: on press Khaki's like ready to go to the airport.

425
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: We're like, what's up. He's like I'm done. I'm done.

426
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: It ain't happening for me. We're like, we got a

427
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: whole day, bro, let's go Nope, nope, nope no. So

428
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: it like literally takes us to wait after first light

429
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: until we're like get your gear on. All his buddies

430
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: like rally and we get out there and it's just

431
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: one of those weird mornings where like ten am, there's

432
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: a five point bull out feeding in the quake. He's

433
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: like the first ridgie peak over and we're like, see

434
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: he told you, you know, all you have to do

435
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: is get out here. But Ethan, who you met this

436
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: year in Colorado, was carrying his ax the guy's extra magazine,

437
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: and he shoots, shoots, shoots, shoots, and then literally it

438
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: was like I just saw his hand come up and

439
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: Ethan goes and that extra mag like gets put in there,

440
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: and somewhere down the line of you know, six or

441
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: seven shot, finally he hit him, and UM, yeah, see

442
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: here part of what I'm doing all this like math

443
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: in my head. I don't go out like I'm like

444
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: I need one of these bullets. Like to go out

445
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: making a plan about how much shooting you're gonna do.

446
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you've already and as a lab Vian,

447
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this. You've already set You've already sent a

448
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: message out into the universe to be like that. You've

449
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: got it all planned out about how much, just how

450
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: many bullets you're ready to shoot. But you don't plan

451
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: for the best of times. You have to plan for

452
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: the worst of time. Hear me out, I am, but

453
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going into it. Fixate on how I'm gonna

454
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: get maximum rounds out the end of the barrel. Right,

455
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: I put my three my magazine, then I in my

456
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: hip belt. I used to put two in my hip

457
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: pouch on my pack. Now I like to depending my

458
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: binal harness has a little pocket, right, and I'll put

459
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: often one there because that's with me. Like no matter what,

460
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: I don't like to leave my pack. I don't like

461
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: to like get up and be like, okay, you know this,

462
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: next hills the hill, let's leave our packs. I don't

463
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: like to like to keep my pack with me because

464
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: you just never know whe're gonna wind up when things

465
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: go bad. But like I took one there and nowadays.

466
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: I took one there, and I took one in the

467
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: hip pouch of my pack. So I got three of

468
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: the magazine, one right here, one right there, So I

469
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: got them all over to damn place, and then I

470
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: got Then I take a sleeve half of a box

471
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: and that's in my pack. And what I am prepared

472
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: for is if I'm hunting with other people, I'm especially

473
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: like wanting them because I'm picturing that they're gonna cripple

474
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: up something and then we're gonna be trying to chase

475
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: it down. Right. Yeah, So that's one of the means

476
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: I have much. And I'm also mindful of societal collapses.

477
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: We'll think about Rambo too, right to go back there,

478
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: He didn't he pour out gunpowder onto his wound and

479
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: cauterized his wound. I don't. I can start carrying an

480
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: extra one for that, so I carre him for societal class.

481
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna carre him for that. And then, like you said,

482
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: knocking your rifle off and need more. I think about

483
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: that the backpack thing. I say snarky comments when I'm

484
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: hunting with somebody. That's always almost always our tree season,

485
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: and for some reason they dropped their pack and then

486
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: take off after the elk. And what I would like

487
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: to do is leave that pack there and then that

488
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: they would be forced to go learn that hard lesson

489
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: of trying to find their pack in the dark. But

490
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: that would also make me stay on the mountain much

491
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: longer when I'm trying to get out of there. So

492
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: I pick it up and I say something like, yeah,

493
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: some small child forgot their knapsack over there. I was

494
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: talking with someone not long ago who I can't remember,

495
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 1: who you might remember, leaves tie surveyors tape onto their

496
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: pack to help them find it when they lose it

497
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: because they've left it somewhere. I've done that they're missing

498
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: the greater lesson there. Yeah, you think that, like you

499
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 1: get up and you think like it's all gonna happen

500
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: right at this little rise, and then you wind up

501
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: hours later in the pitch black miles away without your pack.

502
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: But it don't even take that man. I mean, when

503
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: it's pitch black, it can be fifty yards, but you

504
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: think it might have been two hundred yards like I've been.

505
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: I know that I've been within like seeing distance off

506
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: my pack in the dark and with your head lamp

507
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: and you're just sitting there going ship ship ship. Yeah.

508
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: When I do leave my pack, I drop away point

509
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: on my GPS if some real like if you're run

510
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: like a very heavy pack, right and it's just really

511
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: and you need to have like mega optimum stealth right

512
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: day one of a hunt or something. Yeah, and you're like,

513
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: do this pack is too much? Like I can't put

514
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: a creep on right now, I'm gonna have to leave

515
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: the pack. Then, No, that's why they have them. Then

516
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: I'll put some essentials in my binal harness in the

517
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: little pockets and whatnot on there, take a GPS thing

518
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: and throw that unit in my pocket so I can

519
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: go find some bitch when i'm you know, wind that

520
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: way later. Uh cal Yes, this guy we had talked

521
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: about Camo. Andy's remember that this guy wrote, and he's

522
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: got a bone to pick with you. He owns camouflage.

523
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: He owns first like camouflage boxers. But he says both

524
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: times when he's winning to make his order, he tried

525
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: to buy a solid but it was out, and bought Camo,

526
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks he chose Camlo. So he's like, he

527
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: thinks you have a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy,

528
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: going on there to say that people buy camel. This

529
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: guy is saying that it wasn't his intention, but that's

530
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: what he has. But it's okay because his wife thinks

531
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. Goes on to say, I'm not calling cattle wire. Yeah,

532
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: well yeah, not not to say I'm right and he's wrong,

533
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like I did say when we first

534
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: started out, that's the way it was like the camera

535
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: went faster than the solids. Now I think it is

536
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: the opposite way, and and I could be totally wrong,

537
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm I'm right there with you. I do

538
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: we have such a limited offering of colors, Like right now,

539
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like into week two of living in

540
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: hotels out of my same bag, so it's I also

541
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: have camouflage on DS with man burned through the other ones. Yeah,

542
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: and I can be like, oh, literally burned dry earth

543
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: is gone. Time to worth fusion. Here's a good letter.

544
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: This is this guy's an attorney. This this is this

545
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: is an attorney, a lawyer with an interesting practice. He

546
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: has a practice focused on hunters, guides and outfitters um

547
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: and wanted to talk about our permissions episode a law practice. Really, Um,

548
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: he I am an attorney with a practice focused on

549
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: helping hunters, guides, and outfitters and numerous ways. Nathaniel is

550
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: his name. Um, he's responding to the Permissions podcast. Most

551
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: like like states have All fifty states have a version

552
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: of the Recreational Use Act. This is helpful for people

553
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: to know. Listen to what I'm saying. If you're at work,

554
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: stopped working, just listen. Um, All fifty states have a

555
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: version of a Recreational Use Act. It confers liability protection

556
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: onto landowners who allow free access to their property for

557
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: recreational purposes. This means, he says, if I go knock

558
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: on the door, which I frequently do in Colorado and

559
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: canvas in Kansas where I hunting practice, and the landowner

560
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: allows me to hunt, fish, hike, et cetera without charging

561
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: me for the privilege to do so, the landowner is

562
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: protected from liability. But recreational what's the word I was

563
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: using again, r U s is, oh, recreational. Yeah, so

564
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: anyhow this liability no, I've not got myself toldly confused.

565
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: But he wants to caution this. It extinguishes the protections

566
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: if there is compensation of quote of any kind given

567
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: to the landowner. If this guy, we had a guy

568
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: right in the letter that he offers the landowners, or

569
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: he says, hey, man, if you let me hunt, I'll

570
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: provide a number of services to you. I will post

571
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: your land if it's not already post. I will pick

572
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: up garbage. Okay, he's gonna do these a he's gonna

573
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: do these favors to the landowner. He's saying, once you

574
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: enter into an arrangement like that, you negate the liability

575
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: protection provided that landowner for giving free access to his

576
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: land because you've now entered into a broker arrangement. Wow,

577
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: and that'd be so hard to disprove or approve one

578
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: way or enough. The compensation exemption would likely not apply

579
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: if the work was done after the season as a

580
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: thank you to the landowner. But if you enter into

581
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: it and say you let me hunting, I'll do this,

582
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: you might not be protected by your landowner, might not

583
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: be protected by his states lie like de facto liability

584
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: waiver of a person who allows free access to their land.

585
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: This guy says, if an individual is going to hunt

586
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: on the land of another in pay or compensate, he

587
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: absolutely advises having liability waivers. He goes on to save

588
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: waivers are a whole can of worms depending on your

589
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: own state. But um, he still advises it. I know

590
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: that a liability waiver is very powerful Alaska. That's not

591
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: him talking, that's me talking. The National Agricultural Law Center

592
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: has a great database on the r US for every state.

593
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: So he's just saying, Um, you can go on to that,

594
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: the National Agricultural Law Center and look up what your

595
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: state covers. If you're a landowner, what all your state

596
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: covers for you with liability when you let people on

597
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: your land for your charge? What do you think about that?

598
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Good to know, it's good to know, but also nothing

599
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: you would ever put into that landowner conversation. Right, Well, well,

600
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: well I wanted to about I would love to pay you,

601
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: but I cannot because yeah, it's but um, but you

602
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: could add it in, say you got the permission and

603
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: then it was going to be free. Hey, just so

604
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I told you i'd feed those cows

605
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: for you. I'm gonna do it in three months. You

606
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: know what I could I could picture throwing it out

607
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: like this, You get a permission, right, there's a feeling

608
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: of mutual goodwill. You get a permis and there's no

609
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: strings attached to the permission, like happy to allow you

610
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: to hunt my place. Son. I could picture saying, Um, well,

611
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: you know what's cool is you know our state does

612
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: have a protection to you. You're giving me free access

613
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: to your land. Um, you're, by state law protected from liability.

614
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: If I wout to hire myself out here, he might

615
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: be like, really great, and that could kind of pay

616
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: it forward for somebody else than he says thank Then

617
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: he might say something like thanks for sharing. Here's the

618
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: guy that spells janice why A N N I s,

619
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: which is a good spelling, not right, but it's a

620
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: good spelling. Fanatically says he's got squirrels coming out of

621
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: his ears in Illinois. He also says this, we often

622
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: talk about doing autopsies on our kills to determine what

623
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: oregans you hit. That's not correct, and autopsy is done

624
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: on a human and the cropsy is done on an animal.

625
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: This guy says, I performed all kinds of the cropsies.

626
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Luckily I have never had to perform an autopsy, So

627
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. That kind of falls into my

628
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: cannibal thinking from a couple of months back. You remember that, Yeah,

629
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: you can preview with me again, but I'm still not

630
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: totally sure how I feel about it. Yeah, because I

631
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: mean it's not bulletproof. Do you remember this here? Honest

632
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: that uh uh folks that say I shot a hole

633
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: in it? Hunting is murder, okay, And well you know,

634
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: we as humans say murders or murderers, but if you

635
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: are a murderer who then eats the person that you murder,

636
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: you are called a cannibal, which is I regard as

637
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: being even worse. I never looked at it being like,

638
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: um like, oh, at least he ate it. Like I

639
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: don't feel like when I hear of a murderer, right

640
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: who then cannibalized the victim, I'm not like, well, you know, yeah, yeah,

641
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I do disagree with murdering uh people.

642
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: But however, you know, at least he put it to

643
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: good use. It's like it never enters my mind. But

644
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: those are just our societal standards here. And then you

645
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: go down to uh pop on New Guinea where they

646
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: had you know, some some structure for that. It was

647
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: an important thing for certain age classes. It had like

648
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: religious or spiritual significance. So you're saying, no, you're saying,

649
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: if animal rights person, it's gonna say like, oh, you

650
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: murdered those deer. That the language in some way reflect

651
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you ate it and not use that word.

652
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: You want a word akin to the cannibal that you

653
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: that you cannibalized it. Yeah, because I mean is murder

654
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean it is murdering. I don't know. I mean

655
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: that's why I float out these big ideas to you.

656
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: Guys can fine tune him for me to stretch him

657
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: in poke them. Cabeza de Vaca, who is perhaps the

658
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: first European head cow. Yeah, Cabeza de Vaca, Okay, He

659
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: was a Spaniard who was shipwrecked um on the Florida

660
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Peninsula like way early and everyone died off and was

661
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: killed off, and event she was just Cabeza Davaca, and

662
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: he to survive. He started to head west and walked

663
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: all the way to the Spanish settlements in Mexico, probably

664
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: went insane along the way, survived all number of harrowing things.

665
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: It was a long journey picture I'm talking about, from

666
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: the Gulf coast to the Spanish settlements of Max to

667
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: go in the early hundreds, Cabeza Davaca walked it around Houston,

668
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: it seems, around Houston, perhaps became the first European everley

669
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: eyes on bison bison bison otherwise known as the buffler.

670
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: Cabeza de Vaca. One of the groups Cabeza Davaca encountered,

671
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: would they would burn their dead and then make like

672
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: a shake a milkshake of the ash and drink the

673
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: ash like a clay shake. But folks, folk shake. You

674
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: want to read about some crazy ship man, read about

675
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: Cabeza Davaca. I write about him in My Buffalo. But

676
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: we're just thinking the thing like there would be some

677
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: serious backtracking just right now. You try to walk through

678
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: the panhandle of Florida, all the swamps, flakes across the

679
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: miss we've drained so much of that Louisiana saying like

680
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: and he he describes a lot of wildlife. People put

681
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: a lot of stock into like historians when you're trying

682
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: to get a general picture of what was where, they

683
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: put a lot of like faith into what Kabayza Davaca

684
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: described along the way, but he encountered these big kurvey

685
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: horn shaggy haired cattle around what seems to be around Houston. Wow,

686
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: what was the timeline? How long did that take him?

687
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: It was a long ass walk, but I can't remember

688
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: exactly how many months. It's like a three page footnote

689
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: in my Buffalo book, the Saga of Cabeza Davaca, and

690
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: also how he came up, how he wound up with

691
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: that handle. He's raphien st elsewhere though, right it's famous

692
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: because it's like it's like the first glimpse. What people

693
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: are really interested in is the location and prevalence of

694
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: of the location and prevalence of Native American communities along

695
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: the coast, because what you realize is that, you know,

696
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: smallpox traveled ahead of the settlements. So usually when you

697
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: look at like when the Spanish are going into areas,

698
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: when the England later the English went into areas, you

699
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: think of them like they're doing their explorations and they're

700
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: seeing it for the first time, and you think like

701
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: what they're seeing as being what was there. But the

702
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: way smallpox works, like Kabys Davaca probably right introduced disease

703
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: along the way, So oftentimes you'd have to be that

704
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: you'd have a European stumble through some area, but then

705
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: it didn't really get like explored for a hundred years later.

706
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: And now it seems like like when the English were

707
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: going into areas, they were encountering probably about ten percent

708
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: of the humans that would have been there had they

709
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: passed those areas a hundred and fifty years earlier, because

710
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: how many people smallpox carried off. So if you look

711
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: at like what Kabeza Davaca describes as he travels the coast,

712
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: for just like like how many people he's encountering, diferent groups,

713
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: different languages, different cultural practices. And then you go and

714
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: compare that to people traveling that same thing a hundred

715
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: years later, you think they were in a different country

716
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: for what they're encountering one abundance of animals. There's a

717
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: school of thought that believes the abundance of animals is

718
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: much higher later and the presence of humans is much

719
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: much lower, And there's an implied correlation between that d peopling,

720
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: but not kind of historically how we've been thinking about it.

721
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: But that deep interesting that you carried off of the

722
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: human predators. Of course you're gonna see us in a

723
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: hundred of course you're gonna see us. The game of

724
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: spike and game there's a guy. So when you look

725
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: at like, we're Lewis and Clark found the greatest abundances

726
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: of wildlife. Historians later when and looked and found sort

727
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: of the Noman land, the contact, the edges of contact

728
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: between warring tribes. So like the areas that were very

729
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: hostile in environments seem to be the areas. This is

730
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: just a theory someone has that We're Lewis and Clark

731
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: described the greatest abundance of game where the border lands

732
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: between warring tribes. So you'd get to where the like

733
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: you'd get to a buffer of the Crow and black Feet,

734
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: right and that sort of no man's land between their

735
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: two core territories, you would find a lot of games.

736
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: It's very dangerous to hang out in that spot because

737
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: when you were in that area, you were in the

738
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: war zone. Yeah, I'm shaking my head because this is

739
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: like it makes total sense that it has never been

740
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: explained that like the Headwaters region of the Missouri and

741
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: you've read that, like just doing your Montana history right,

742
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh yeah, and then Blackfeet carry

743
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: off sue here and Nez person would come over. But

744
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: so that that Headwaters region of the Missouri was like

745
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: a hotly contested ground where like you had the crow

746
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: would come from the south and go up in there.

747
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: The black Feet would come from the north and weston

748
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: going there to the Lakota would would come from the

749
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: eastern range there. And if you went in there, you

750
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: were gonna be mixing it up with other folks. And

751
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: it was just and it was like a game rich environment.

752
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: Here's something interesting. We're talking about morality on a podcast

753
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: quite a while ago. You were there the Bozeman event. Oh,

754
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: the live event. We're talking about what makes a good person? Uh,

755
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: which is way off topic for us, but we're talking

756
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: about what makes a good person. My brother brought up

757
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: something called the cants categorical imperative. Okay, he didn't explore it,

758
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: but he touched on it. And this guy writes in

759
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: to take to kind of take that idea to task.

760
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: He's saying that um can's categorical imperative it was a

761
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: way to determine the morality of an action by imagining

762
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: the consequences of any individual action if it was a

763
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: universal law. So he says, let's go out and set

764
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: out to prove why littering is wrong. Okay, so to

765
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: to apply Kansas categorical imperative to it, you would say, well,

766
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: what if everyone littered, what would the world look like? Right,

767
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: So he goes, Therefore, you can arrive at the fact

768
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 1: that littering is immoral. If everyone did it, it would

769
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 1: be a total ship show. My kids have a book

770
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: called What If Everyone Did That? And one of the

771
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: things that explores is what if everyone littered? What if

772
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: everyone like talked out of turn? Which is another problem

773
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: we have on this show. So uh so he goes

774
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: on to say, so if you want to prove he

775
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: goes more, he goes on to that he brings us

776
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: around the hunting. He says, most arguments against hunting tend

777
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: to be based on irrational emotions, are preconceived assumptions. But

778
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: when you apply the categorical imperative to it, it does

779
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: make it seem in his view that hunting becomes immoral

780
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: because he says, what if everyone hunted? But he hasn't

781
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: thought about it good enough, because just the fact wouldn't

782
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: you hunt. You're still subject to the laws. So if

783
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: everyone hunted, we wouldn't have It wouldn't mean that there's

784
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: more death. It doesn't mean there's more death and less game.

785
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: It would just means you have greatly reduced opportunity because like,

786
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: if everyone hunted, I was like, okay, so that means

787
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: everyone now has to apply for all the tags. Yeah,

788
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: we will all draw a lot less tags. But it doesn't.

789
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make like you can't use cancers categorical

790
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: imperative to say huntings immoral, because if everyone hunted, all

791
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: the animals would be dead, because in this country it's

792
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: all regulated. If everyone hunted, it would just mean that

793
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: there's like a lot less opportunity and you're gonna wait

794
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: in the longer line to get your bit of access.

795
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: A lot more cash for state agencies, a lot more

796
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: cash for state agencies, which makes it seem more moral. Yeah,

797
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: I see what he's going for, but he just didn't

798
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: think it through far enough. Guy's name is Brad. Generally

799
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: had good luck. I've generally had very good luck with

800
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: Brad's in my life. Interesting, I'm thinking particularly of Brad

801
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: Cross and Bradchester, who were both big BMX guys growing

802
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: up when I moved Rad and Rad rhymes with Brad.

803
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: When I see the name Brad, I generally feel like

804
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like like like I would like the guy.

805
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: They already starting up with a little bit of credit,

806
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, Brad Brad trying to come in and hit

807
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: his heart with Kansas category comparative. Do you any thoughts

808
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: on that? You honest, I don't, Yeah, because that, you know,

809
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: really just nothing. Everybody litters. Well no, I mean I

810
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: think he stands. But that crosses the boundary of well, yeah,

811
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be higher fines for littering, but

812
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: if everybody just keeps littering, that doesn't quiet hold water. Right, Yeah,

813
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: I guess if everybody poached. Yes, we've already arrived at that. Yeah.

814
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: So Kancers category impair to my Um, here's a good one.

815
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: This guy is aware of the fact that there are

816
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Turkey Grand slams. I don't know if he's aware of

817
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: the fact that I happened to be a Turkey. A Turkey,

818
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: I can remember what turkey slam I have? Thank you

819
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: have this grand the royal. No, we're gonna figure it out. Okay,

820
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: So slams. A lot of people hate slams, and for

821
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: very good reason because it introduces an element. Look, I

822
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: gotta backup. Uh, there's slams are a thing that someone

823
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: made up or another someone or another made up this

824
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: idea that you'd go like, Okay, there's different kinds of turkeys,

825
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: and if one were to get one of all those

826
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: kind of turkeys, that person would be a slam holder. Okay.

827
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: So with with turkeys, there there's a thing called a

828
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: turkey Grand Slam and to get it. So there are

829
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: five five yis holding up four, but there's five a

830
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: grand okay, is there just America Grand Slam? There's there

831
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: are five subspecies which some people say aren't actually subspecies.

832
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: There are five types of wild turkeys. You have the

833
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: eastern of the Eastern US. You have the Osciola of

834
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: the southern half of the Florida Peninsula. You have the

835
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: Ariams and Rio from the southwestern US. And then you

836
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: have the Goulds turkey from northern Mexico and the Sky

837
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: Island Mountain ranges of southern Arizona, New Mexico. If you

838
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: were to get and the ghouls is kind of the

839
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: hardest one to get because of availability, Like most people

840
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: who get a Google turkey get it in Mexico. So

841
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: a grand slam is that you get the four kinds

842
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: of wild turkeys. That are around and widely available in

843
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: the US. A royal slam is if you get the

844
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Goulds too. A world slam is if you go down

845
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: and get another whole other species of turkeys, which is

846
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: called the oscillated not to be confused the osceola, the

847
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: oscillated turkey, which is down in the Yuka tam Peninsula, Guatemala,

848
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: you know the Mayan areas, there's the oscillated um. So

849
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: that's the world slam, and that's a whole other bird

850
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: they used to think there used to be. There's possibly

851
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: was a sixth subspecies of turkey called the Mexican turkey,

852
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: and that is the one that's probably been domesticated for

853
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: thousands of years, and that's the one that when the

854
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: Spanish conquistadors came to the New World. That is the

855
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: domestic turkey that the Aztecs had probably doesn't didn't even

856
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: maybe didn't even exist in the wild at the time,

857
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: but that was where they derived the domestic turkey, which

858
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: was then taken back to Europe and is the domestic

859
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: turkeys we know today. So turkeys were are a New

860
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: World species. They were domesticated thousands of years ago by

861
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: indigenous groups in Mexico in Central America, Europeans came borrowed

862
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: the birds, took the birds back to Europe, bred up

863
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy variants on the wild turkey, and

864
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: then brought those back to the New World, reintroduced them

865
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: and asked, when you going buy a turkey in the

866
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: grocery store, that's what you're buying. And they think that

867
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: that original domestication was perhaps a turkey subspecies that is

868
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: no longer around. I think some people think it was

869
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: the Goulds. Maybe it was the Goulds. The question being

870
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: that this guy has is um, why is there a

871
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: deer elk Grand Slam? Can I add one thing about

872
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: the Super Slams or this all the slams here with

873
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: the turkey thing, because I was just on the National

874
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: Wild Turkey Federation website and they have a Canadian Slam

875
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: if you kill all available birds in one province of Canada,

876
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: which is a Canadian Slam, Yeah, or one too, And

877
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: then the Mexican is uh gold Rio and uh no,

878
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: Miriam's all down in Mexico really, so there's okay, there's

879
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: more turkeys around. But then there's a super Slam, which

880
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: is the all states besides Alaska and uh. And the

881
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: reason I mentioning this is because I was like, man,

882
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: that's gotta be freaking hard right. Well, the last time,

883
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: according to the books here on the NTF, back up,

884
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: back up, you didn't, I got I got confused, um

885
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: because looking at something else. But there's other slams too though,

886
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: for turkeys you didn't get into, like grand right, Oh,

887
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: I thought you covered that. Okay, so you're doing just

888
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: the ones and the one that you hadn't covered. Yeah, okay,

889
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: so tell me again the name you had it right

890
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: that you're saying a name for getting a turkey in

891
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: all fifty states as of what us super slam, U

892
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: s super slam. I'm jealous of someone that's done that.

893
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: I can't explain why. Listen, there are according to these records,

894
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: there's eight people that have done it, killed a turkey

895
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: and forty states. I like, my brother, is what I

896
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: explained this to them. They just they can't even begin

897
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: to understand. They don't like anything that. They don't like

898
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: anything where you introduce a sports type mentality like a

899
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 1: keeping track sports e competitive stuff as um. Thomas McIntyre said,

900
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: it's pissing in the cathedral. Yeah, in their opinion, But

901
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: I like it a little teeny bit. I like it

902
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: a little too. I like it for the I feel like,

903
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: if that's the way you're gonna go and travel the

904
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: United States and get to go to different states and

905
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: meet the people in every nine states and see forty

906
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: nine different landscapes of turkeys live in, like, it's well

907
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: worth it, well worth thing to get into, you know.

908
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: You know, by the end of it, if you were

909
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: to kill a turkey in all four nine states, you

910
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: would have killed turkeys in eleven states that did not

911
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: historically have turkeys, right because they think at the time

912
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: of European contact we had turkeys and maybe thirty nine states.

913
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, so in that way to go stressed that

914
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: you'd be like looking at like just how good turkeys

915
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: are doing. But the dear one, I didn't know, y'all's

916
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna break down. What's up a deer? Well, like I

917
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: thought before I did my little ten minutes research here,

918
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: it's like there's this idea of a deer slam out there,

919
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: floating around, floating around, But like somebody uh involved with

920
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: q d m A, they tried to go with a

921
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: white tail slam and our buddy Mark Kingyon actually wrote

922
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: a piece on it five years ago and uh where

923
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: they break down eight subspecies of white tail across our continent.

924
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: That that's not Yeah. So again, that's why I'm saying,

925
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: it's like this idea that people are pushing for whatever reason,

926
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: but it's never really because they wanted to become a thing.

927
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: They wanted to become a thing. Same thing with the

928
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: with the regular uh, not the white tail slam, but

929
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: the regular deer slam would be Columbia blacktail, sick of blacktail,

930
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: regular white tail? Whose white tail mule deer? Right five,

931
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: I've done that accidentally, Right, I'm an accidental deer slam holder.

932
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: Now I'm one away cal but I'm far off the mark,

933
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: far off the mark. Uh. But the reason some people

934
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: don't like this is the argument of oh, you're just

935
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: a collector. Yeah, that's maybe what I was trying to

936
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: say earlier. Yeah. Uh, I'm gonna start saying, not that

937
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: i've I'm gonna make it into a food thing. I'm

938
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: gonna say that I have eaten I have to the

939
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: royal slam. Be Like, what's that be? Like, I've eaten

940
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: all um, I've self harvested and eating all five subspecies

941
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: of turkey man turkey tetrasini out of everyone. Okay, ready

942
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: for this one. There's nothing I'm not asking you does

943
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: add anything to this. It's just a thing this guy has.

944
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: This guy hunts the Texas hill country, cool country. I

945
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: think you know his family owns, you know, fifty some

946
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: acres of prime hill country. Over his life, he says

947
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: that it's become that. Um, he's just seen a lot

948
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: of change over his life as the whole place has

949
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: become fenced. His subject line is high fence is screwing

950
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: my fair chase. He says, when you drive down the road,

951
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: you're driving down corridors between high fences. And he says

952
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: it just has had dramatic impacts on sort of the

953
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: movements of deer and has really kind of like put

954
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: the screws to someone who doesn't fence, just the interruption

955
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: of deer movements. And he also gets into the interruption

956
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: and then the other things that have happened on the land,

957
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: like introducing exotics onto your fence property just has really

958
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: changed the area in his opinion for the worst. UM.

959
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: He tried to bring all this up on a thing

960
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: called the Texas bow Hunter form and got thrown off.

961
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Interesting. I have been on those lanes though.

962
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you guys have to driving down

963
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: between the fences. Yeah, you know, I haven't really spent

964
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: that much time there. Yeah, buddy ars has A has

965
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: a place out there, and gone hunted with him a

966
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: couple of times. And his place is not high fence.

967
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: But in order to get to his place, that that

968
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: is the scene that pops in my head. Right, you

969
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: got ten ft tall chain link fences on both sides

970
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: of the road, and so if an animal did want

971
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: to move around, they have to basically walk down a

972
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: very very thin shoulder or right down the middle of

973
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: the road to go from there is no point A

974
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: to point B. Right, it's all following some you know,

975
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: ranch map from a hundred years ago. Or the flip

976
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: side of it is is that there's probably if you

977
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: went and tallied up the number of deer, there's probably

978
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: more dear than before. They just lived differently. They don't

979
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: move around as wild animals anymore. But like, it's not

980
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: that there's it's not that you probably can't go and

981
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: look and be like, oh, it's there's no dear, there's

982
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: tons of deer that has all been turned into livestock. Yeah,

983
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that. Yeah, and so something like the numbers,

984
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: like the number, like you can't say the species is

985
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: hurting because they're probably doing fantastic. Like each one of

986
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: these fence places probably more dear than it did in

987
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: the past. Real they wouldn't be fencing it, but they're

988
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: just not. Like some of their wildness is gone because

989
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: they can't roam. Be interesting to see it. Like how

990
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: much corn go like silage corn goes to the state

991
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: of Texas because it's such a heavy you know feeding uh,

992
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: you know game feeding state. Really Yeah, the number of

993
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: like the pound or like the calorie count, how much

994
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: food comes in. And then again, man, it's like that

995
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: in some ways everybody's got it up and downs because

996
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: in some ways that ship makes the desert bloom too, right,

997
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: because like a lot of wildlife feeds off that. There's

998
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: a lot of wildlife feeds off that cycle just different, right,

999
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: it's different. Some some people might go and look like, yeah, man,

1000
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: got a lot more quail now than we did, probably

1001
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: way more water. People do water bring in a bunch

1002
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: of corn, You bring a bunch of food and you

1003
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: bring in a bunch of water. So people might look

1004
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, man, we know have a lot

1005
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: more quail than we did when I was a kid.

1006
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: We got a lot more haviolina than we did when

1007
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: I was a kid. We got a lot more white

1008
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: tail deer than we have when I was a kid. Um,

1009
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: there's just like the landscape is supporting a larger biomass

1010
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: under the system of all of the feed where you're

1011
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: turning like marginal habitat, you're taking like what's missing, Like, well,

1012
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: what are the things that are missing that would make

1013
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: this just place? Ex blowed with numbers, You're like, well,

1014
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: food and water. Okay, well let's fix it. Let's bringing

1015
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: food and water. You wind up with something like very different.

1016
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: But you can't really readily going and just attack it

1017
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: from top to bottom because if you just if you're

1018
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: going like, well, how are we going to quantify the

1019
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: health of the ecosystem, Let's do it by counting up

1020
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: how many pounds and animals are running around out here.

1021
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: You look at that and you'd be like, it's made

1022
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: a big improvement. There was a lot more poundage of wildlife.

1023
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: But our people might be like yeah, but everything about

1024
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: like the way it uses the landscape, how it's moved,

1025
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: just all the dynamics. You know, you've interrupted all that.

1026
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: And some people might be like, hey, you're right, well

1027
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: there's the negative, and then they would be like, but

1028
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot of animals, every life is so complicated. That's

1029
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 1: what I found. Kl Um. This guy, we're talking about

1030
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: shooting fawns. Someone's like, what's the morality behind shooting fawns? Now,

1031
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't. I don't think there's any it's

1032
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: not a moral there's no moral decision to be made.

1033
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: This guy writes in to say that we shouldn't be

1034
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: harvesting animals that haven't achieved skeletal maturity because you're not

1035
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 1: getting maximum output out of the animal. He thinks it's

1036
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: premature to shoot a fawn m hm, to pull so

1037
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: you shoot. We're talking about a falling, talking about like

1038
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: a deer drops around Memorial Day, right, and then you

1039
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: shoot in the fall. You know, like you don't have

1040
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: to hear people say they shot a buck. This just

1041
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: like real basic stuff for people who aren't tuned into

1042
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: this kind of junk. You know, people say, like people

1043
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: talk about deer like they'll be like, I killed the buck.

1044
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: He was one and a half, he was two and

1045
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: a half, he was three and a half. The reason

1046
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: they're always throwing in the half is because they're born

1047
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: in the spring and typically hunted in the fall, so

1048
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: you always got like the half. So people say they're

1049
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: shooting a phone, but the really time was just shooting

1050
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: a six month old thing. And you're talking about a

1051
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: species of the life expectancy are too. It's not that little,

1052
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: but it's little. You always hear like deer of the

1053
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: year or fawn of the year, faun of the year

1054
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: born that spring. So when you shoot one and the

1055
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: thing way it's sixty pounds or whatever, and you get

1056
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: a forty you know yield, right. Um, he's saying that,

1057
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: it's just like a premature harvest. Yeah, and I thought

1058
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: we kind of covered that. That was kind of one

1059
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: of my grips with even shooting cafe elk. Everybody's like, oh,

1060
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: the veal of the veal. I'm like, yeah, but you

1061
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: get like fifty or sixty pounds, man, And if you

1062
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: shoot a two year old cow, you're almost double than

1063
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: that usually for sure. I like his term skeletal maturity

1064
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: here's a hard one to answer. This guy wants to

1065
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: know Adam um mixed experiences with atoms throughout my life.

1066
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: Warning to give him the benefit of the doubt, he says, like,

1067
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: do you think each state has its own hunting subculture?

1068
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: Does the state have a hunting culture? I would say

1069
01:05:53,040 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: no for states, but regions? Do you think so? Oh yeah?

1070
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: Definitely expand on that, man, Um, I guess either works, right,

1071
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: you can't. Yeah, go ah, I've grappled with that in

1072
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: the past. You can expand or expand. I don't carry, honny,

1073
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: what everyone seems wrong hunting culture by region or by state? UM,

1074
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: I think that you could probably find a little like

1075
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: nuances about hunting culture in certain states and be like, oh, yeah,

1076
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 1: that's just like a total Idaho thing, you know, But

1077
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: it probably more more likely you'd be able to break

1078
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: the country across like the classic regions of northwest, southeast, northeast,

1079
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, Midwest, UM, and sort of find things that

1080
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: are you know, uh, maybe tactics that are more accepted

1081
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: one place or another, Like you and I grew up.

1082
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, did you guys? Do money drives deer drives?

1083
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: So where you brought that up because I was the

1084
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: guy rolled in and wanted to know the morality of

1085
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: deer drives, like, I mean, that's like, that's how I mean.

1086
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: I was kind of I grew up in deer drive culture. Yeah,

1087
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: and we do. I mean we did. It was funny

1088
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: because you just like you go right from the evening

1089
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 1: before you'd still be in full archery mode, setting up

1090
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: stands and hunting deer on the ground and trying to

1091
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: get close. And then the next day you would just

1092
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: like flip the switch and it's like dudes just pushing

1093
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: through the woods running deer and you're you know, taking

1094
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: running shots at deer. I mean I killed my first

1095
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: deer and he was screaming and buy me at ten

1096
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: or fit twenty yards, you know. And we didn't switch

1097
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: into drive mold. We had a ten day or two

1098
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,479
Speaker 1: week rifle season whatever it was. Um, we didn't switch

1099
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: into drive mold to the last couple of days, and

1100
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: you were kind of an a hole if you were

1101
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: out driving deer early in the season. We do. We

1102
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: do opening. We would sit opening morning for two to

1103
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: three four hours. Doug they have like in Wisconsin and

1104
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: the Doug during property dug during family property they have

1105
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: a light drive, a gentle drive that they call the moot.

1106
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: They'll start mooching the second day of the season. But

1107
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: it's a gentle drive. It's not like dudes lined up

1108
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: banging pots and pans and stuff, you know, which is

1109
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: we kind of grew up driving deer, not with pots

1110
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: and pans. But it was like, yeah, it was a

1111
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: lot of guys in the woods, but that okay, couple

1112
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: of a couple of your guys camp stuff too. Yeah,

1113
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: like the car, the camp that you went to. Yeah,

1114
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring up just a couple of differences

1115
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: that I've seen between just the two regions that have

1116
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: hunted a lot in, which would be the Midwest and

1117
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: then the Inner Mountain Rockies. Um, but like uh, deer

1118
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: poles or meat hanging polls. Right, Like, we have a

1119
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: picture of every single year that I've been at that

1120
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: Wisconsin deer camp, of most of the deer unless someone

1121
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: left early and took theirs, but hung up on a

1122
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: pole and all of us standing in front of it.

1123
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: And it's like a picture that's taken not really to

1124
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: like be like, oh, look at everything we killed, but

1125
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: it's sort of just it commemorates in UM archives the hunt,

1126
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: right and like who was there? How many deer were killed,

1127
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: so that you know it was a good year bad

1128
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: here um attracts time, yeah, but a lot like so.

1129
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: And then if you compare that to out West, like

1130
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: deer drives and I think meat poles are by a

1131
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: lot of like Western hunters are kind of considered like

1132
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: not not cool, you know, not part of the culture. Yea,

1133
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: not part of the culture. Well, the deer drive thing,

1134
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: like we did some some drives here and there for

1135
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: the large part, I would say, completely unsuccessful. But you're

1136
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: dealing with bigger chunks of ground, right typically, right, Yeah,

1137
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: it's just not as manageable because you're generally driving like

1138
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: when you're doing deer drives, you're driving places that have

1139
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: way more dear per unit of space then you're gonna

1140
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: have in the West, and we always had way fewer people. Two.

1141
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you really want to find success

1142
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: on a drive, the number of hunters you have to

1143
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: have has to be way higher, and we just never had,

1144
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: you know. That's why the whole deer camp thing it is.

1145
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: So it was always so weird to me in the

1146
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: West because it was like, yeah, where everybody together artist

1147
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: artisans small batch drives too. Like the first deer I

1148
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: killed when I was third team was on an artisans

1149
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: small batch drive. There's a four man drive, and that's

1150
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: when you know how the deer, you know what they do,

1151
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: you know how they respond. So like there's this creek,

1152
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: Mosquito Creek, and there's this big sort of bend in

1153
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: the creek, and when deer get bumped out of that bend,

1154
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: they go up, you know, the second ridge down every year,

1155
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: and every year someone's gonna kill a deer coming out

1156
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: of that bend in the creek going up that second ridge.

1157
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: And so then it just as a matter of you say, hey,

1158
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: at ten, I'll post up on the ridge and you

1159
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: go down in the big band and you know it's

1160
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 1: gonna work. You can't do it the next day, it

1161
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: definitely won't work, but every year it'll work. Yeah. So

1162
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: that's like a kind of a different sort of drive

1163
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: in the big pop bang and drives. You could also

1164
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 1: do um. A subculture that I used to struggle with

1165
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 1: but now I understand it is when you see hunting

1166
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: pictures from Arizona in Utah, why how there's so many

1167
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 1: people in the picture like a Gripp and Grin and

1168
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: Arizona gripp and Grin will have a dozen guys Utah

1169
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: the same way. And I used to be like, why

1170
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: is that? Then I realized it's because they you know,

1171
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: you don't have huge populations of wildlife there and it's

1172
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: hard to draw tags. So to draw like an Elk

1173
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: tag in Arizona is you know, if you live in

1174
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: Arizona and you draw an Elk tag, it's a big deal.

1175
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of your bodies didn't draw an Elk tag. Yes,

1176
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: so if you want hunt every year, so helping somebody out, Yeah,

1177
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: So we now that we like have friends in Arizona

1178
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: who are have sort of a tribe, you know, like

1179
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: a group of guys that hang out with it they

1180
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: hunt with. When one of them draws, it's just a

1181
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: it's a thing that yeah, we're all gonna do it.

1182
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: So if some so draw some sweet elt tag, everybody

1183
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: wants to get involved and everybody wants to go hunt.

1184
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, he's got eight barties that

1185
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: all want to go too because someone's got his tag. Now,

1186
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: if you get up in a state like like Colorado

1187
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: with like you know, vastly more elk than the other state.

1188
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 1: Everybody's got a ELK tag. Yours out hunting onesies, twos,

1189
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: these threezies. You don't need to have eight guys because

1190
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: those eight guys all got their own tags. You're like,

1191
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: you do your thing, I'll do mine. It's more individualistic.

1192
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: But it's like a communal form of hunting down there.

1193
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: And that's why you see these big packs of dudes

1194
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: standing behind some animal. I couldn't do it. Drive drive

1195
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: me insane. Well they also but they also radio. Yeah,

1196
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: they radio hunt down there. Yeah. So Jennie, what you're

1197
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: doing is everybody's out glass and um theyroreout glass and

1198
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: and then when they find something they just through text

1199
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: messages or radios convey its location. Yeah. It's just like

1200
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: a way, it's like a hunting culture. Yeah, and and

1201
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: I Understandyeah, I imagine it'd be very successful for me.

1202
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: It would just like lead to paralytic indecision, information overloading. Yes,

1203
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: and then you got like that like again, like that

1204
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: South Texas hunting culture where there's no public land or

1205
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: virtually no public land. Um, it's general practice to use

1206
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: corn to bring to your out of an area that's

1207
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: otherwise very difficult to find them and to concentrate them.

1208
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: There's general practice to huntt of elevated tripod stands or whatever,

1209
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: elevated platforms, and it creates like a sort of culture

1210
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: around that. That's like how deer hunting works. Uh. We

1211
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: were down at the Dallas Fire Club Show a couple

1212
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and unbelievable amount of Texas residence saying

1213
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: we're going out and we're gonna hunt public land this year.

1214
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:16,440
Speaker 1: And they're all going out of state, lots of New Mexico, Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming,

1215
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: some Montana, but all like I gotta go try out

1216
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: this public land hunting stuff because we just can't do

1217
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: anything around here. Yeah, pretty cool to see. Here's another

1218
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: one guy named Patrick. I've always had great luck with

1219
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: Patrick's uh plan to hunt the future and have a

1220
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: question that's yet to be Oh, this guy's never even

1221
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: been hunting. It's not been addressed anywhere. He's sure after

1222
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: looking everywhere. Why does no one mention harvesting the diaphragm

1223
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: from a deer or elk We've not even kind of true,

1224
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: but no one's mentioned it. Yeah, skirt steak, So when

1225
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: you got it's just small on the deer. Like when

1226
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: you open up a deer, where the diet for am

1227
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: fastens to the rib cage, there's sort of like a

1228
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: little like the diaphragm kind of t bones. This makes sense.

1229
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: It kind of t bones into the rib cage and

1230
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: there's a big piece of of of stride it or

1231
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: like stringy kind of meat that's long and thin. It's

1232
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: like a like a Hershey's bar would be like four

1233
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: Hersh's bars or two three Hershey's bars set end to

1234
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: end right diameter in length to hers She's bars laid

1235
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: end to end, let's say. And that's where the diet.

1236
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: That's how the diaphragm joined to the cavity. Now that

1237
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: skirt steak, is it a continuation of the diaphragm or

1238
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: the skirt steak it's like the diaphragm from the ribs back. No,

1239
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: it's like the diaphragm sort of goes out and that's

1240
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: how it's sort of welded, which is an anatomical term.

1241
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 1: But the diaphram kind of welded to the the the

1242
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: body of the animal. And when you go and get

1243
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: uh carne a saba that's in a Mexican restaurant, that's

1244
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: what you're getting. And on deer, it's just really small

1245
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: on elk and moves. It's like legit, like you can

1246
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: make like full on balls out fajitas with the skirt. Yeah.

1247
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone who takes like the who

1248
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: who does anything besides maybe grind up the actual diaphragm.

1249
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: But that skirt steak portion is usable, which is the

1250
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: one that you're talking about that basically flaps below the

1251
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: ribs going back. It's very close to below the ribs,

1252
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's yeah, it's kind of like where our

1253
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: our ribs really start to v and and angle back.

1254
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: That's where the the right right at the syphoid process

1255
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: where the ribs come together. Yeah, so I think on

1256
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: do you just don't really notice because it's really small

1257
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: and moves. When you open that thing up, you're like,

1258
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: holy ship, that's a big chunk of meat. Yeah. Yeah,

1259
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: but you guys aren't answering my questions. Still, that could

1260
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: be it doesn't taper back like it's but you know,

1261
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: when you when you got an animal. Okay, so yeah,

1262
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: you're calling that then the flank steak, yes, and then

1263
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: the skirt being a diaphragm yes, Oh the flank, yeah

1264
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: is the well and I always grew up calling the

1265
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: paunch m yeah, which should be your sides blow your ribs,

1266
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: but above your hip bone, below your ribs. Or's this

1267
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: this thin thing the paunch? We call that the paunch

1268
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: that you just grind up. It's low quality meat and

1269
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: has a very strong bit of fashion in there, or

1270
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: like a like a thick. It's where love handles form. Yes,

1271
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: there you go. No, yeah, I'm pinching mind. I believe

1272
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: that's where it would be. I've been putting a lot

1273
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: of work in love. It is really a thing like, yes,

1274
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: you're like I need something to grab onto, grab on

1275
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: the love handle. Oh no, no, no, I think that's

1276
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: a marketing spin one. Okay, it's like an ironic, is it?

1277
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: Because it just seems like like, I don't know, I

1278
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: just have a hard time with it. That's the hand

1279
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: that that's when one needs purchased. That's where they find it.

1280
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, um, quickie, there's a quickie. There's a quickie,

1281
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: then a quickie, then a long. This first quick is

1282
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: a question, second quick is the observation. The third long

1283
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: is just a whole different thing. Uh. This guy says

1284
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: to say, how do you sharpen your knife found in

1285
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: the field. He talks about he's got a bench made

1286
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: saddle Mountain skinny knife, which is a damn fine knife.

1287
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: Agreed Um. He goes on to say that how a

1288
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: bench man has a deal where you can send your

1289
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: knife in and get it sharpened, which he likes. But

1290
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: let's say you're out hunting and you've gotta you're gonna

1291
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: be skinning a couple of different animals. How do you

1292
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: what do you how do you sharpen out in the field? Well,

1293
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: bench mate also makes you use their sharpeners. Yeah, it

1294
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: happens a little one of the big one. Honestly, I

1295
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: think the big one is well worth packing if you're

1296
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna really stick with a true fixed blade knife. And

1297
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called, but it's got a

1298
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: ceramic part to it. It's got kind of a course

1299
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: and a fine diamond sharpener on there and and yeah, man,

1300
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: a little minimal bit of practice and you can sharpen,

1301
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean sharp sharpen those things. Yeah, it's a little

1302
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: it's a little heavy and a little clunky, but it

1303
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 1: depends what you're up to, Like, if you're out hunting

1304
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: where you're you know, let's say you and your buddies

1305
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: are out hunting anilope you're not one or two a day. Um,

1306
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: then I'll be like, okay, this warrants bringing like more sharpening.

1307
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: If just going out on for one thing, I don't

1308
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 1: worry about it. I used just carry like a little

1309
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: just like basically a little teeny teeny diamond hone it.

1310
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: But it's like you get so much more to have

1311
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: an actual yes, an actual face to to sharpen on.

1312
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: If you bring a multitool of some sort, you can

1313
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: use the hard edges on that, you know, straighten out

1314
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: the edge of your of your blade, which is typically

1315
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: more than enough to keep you keep you running. I

1316
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: feel if you want to be minimalist, you know, and

1317
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: you're bringing that. What I like about them that bench

1318
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: made deals. It's got the angle so it's like molded

1319
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: into it. There's there's like a big diamond honer, not big,

1320
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: there's a diamond honer face on it, but molded into

1321
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,839
Speaker 1: the molded into the sharpener is the is a set bevil.

1322
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: So each swipe you take you can lay it up

1323
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: on that beveled piece and it sets your angle. You

1324
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 1: gotta doesn't hold your angle. You gotta maintain the angle

1325
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: as you swipe, but it establishes your angle to go

1326
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: on there and sharpener up. It's got like a little

1327
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: leather strappy thing on and a ceramic rod on it.

1328
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what. It's called guided field sharpener and

1329
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: it's got a hook sharpener on it. Guided field sharpener.

1330
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: Thea you can sharpen sread knives, scissors. We all know

1331
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways of skin of cap. There's

1332
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: more ways to sharpen a knife. This is one of them,

1333
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: and it's like I like it. But if you take

1334
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: a brand new blade out of the box and you're

1335
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: careful with it, it does not take much at all

1336
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: to get that thing sharp sharp if you don't mess

1337
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, I think that's the key, is uh,

1338
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: staying on top of your maintenance. Don't let it get

1339
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: doll Yeah. And what dolls knives more than anything in

1340
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: the whole wide world is bone. Mm hmmm, and dirt

1341
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: hair bone is bad hair. Dolls bone messes up. Get

1342
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: some mud in that hair when you like, can you

1343
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: watch your buddy come in, you know, come into like

1344
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: kind of shank or something off and you're like, oh boy,

1345
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: that's not I think the knife ruining. This activity I

1346
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: know about is when you're skinning out ahead for like

1347
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: whatever whatever reason you're doing it, caeping something or skinning

1348
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: it out for a euro amount, and you get your

1349
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: knife in there and you're working the you're working off

1350
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: the hide around the pedicles. Yeah, that's a knife ruining activity.

1351
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: That's almost like throwing knives at rocks. Oh here in

1352
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: the knife the blade hit the teeth too. That just

1353
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: send shivers up my spine just thinking about it. Oh yeah,

1354
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: I can usually carry the little they called the tacticle sharpener.

1355
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: They have a mini version too, but it's only a

1356
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: couple three inches long. It's got the ceramic V notch yeah,

1357
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: and the stone. So I just use that little V

1358
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: notch and just you know, through an elk, maybe hit

1359
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: it two, three, four times and uh, just to keep

1360
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: an eye on her, just keep her straight. Keeper. What's

1361
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: that thing called? I have one of those two. I

1362
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: carry it if I'm like, if I can't justify my

1363
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 1: big thing, it's called the tactical. If I can't justify

1364
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: my big full on sharpener, then I'll grab that little

1365
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: V notch. Deally but I like, I kind of like

1366
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: became suspicious of those V notch dealis, I think you

1367
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: can unless you take the time to really line that

1368
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: thing up perfectly vertical and the V notch, you can

1369
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: kind of mess your devil edge up a little bit. Uh.

1370
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: Here's the observation that was the question. Here's the observation.

1371
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: This guy says, you guys were struggling with a term.

1372
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: I think you were trying to refer to the Alley effect. Now,

1373
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,520
Speaker 1: the Allee effect, because when you're talking about a population

1374
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: not being able to recover from low numbers, meaning there

1375
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: are like critical population levels at which certain social aspects

1376
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: important for reproduction begin to break down. So mean, like,

1377
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: let's say you have a large um, there's a there's

1378
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: a reproductive strategy called predator swamping. For instance, Let's say

1379
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,879
Speaker 1: you have like like picture a large collection of say geese,

1380
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: and these geese all lay their eggs at the same time,

1381
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: and hundreds of geese, and they're all in an area,

1382
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: they all build a nest at the same time, they

1383
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: all lay their eggs at the same time, all those

1384
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: eggs hatch at the same time. There will be a

1385
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: lot of predators lurking around, But since all of those

1386
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: hatchlings all emerged together at the same time, it's called

1387
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: predators swamping, where the predators can gorge themselves and gorge

1388
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: themselves and gorge themselves, but they can't get them all

1389
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: because they're all hiding the ground at the same time.

1390
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 1: Whereas let's say it took the same of the same

1391
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,719
Speaker 1: set of circumstances, but let it play out over a month,

1392
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: where every day just some percentage of of these eggs hatched,

1393
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: and the predators could every day gobble up the small

1394
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: available thing, you would end up where they could feasibly

1395
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: get them all. But with predators swamping, you're creating such

1396
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: a like a a deluge of offspring getting put out

1397
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: there that the predators can't They just don't have a

1398
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: chance of getting them all during that that window of vulnerability.

1399
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: So likewise, if you'll see the like like elk, for instance,

1400
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: will sometimes gather up in very large groups, like you

1401
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: might see two hundred three hundred cows in their calving grounds,

1402
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: and those calves are all hitting the ground over of

1403
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: course of a couple of days, preferably right, and you've

1404
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: got some predators hanging around, but they can't get them

1405
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: all and then the calves are very vulnerable for a

1406
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: couple of days um, but then they're up on their

1407
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,560
Speaker 1: feet and everybody's find they can run in. The ulnerability

1408
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: goes down and you have some survival. So the alley effect,

1409
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: they're only effect is when you reduce a population down

1410
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: and then to wind up being that it's hit like catastrophe,

1411
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 1: low levels like that. You can't just have some. Either

1412
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: have to have a whole bunch, or you're gonna have none,

1413
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 1: because they need lots in order for them to be

1414
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: able to survive. I can't remember what we were talking

1415
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: about when this came up. Was it the condor condor

1416
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: It's applicable to a ton of things. Passenger we definitely

1417
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: talked about long ago by name with the passenger pigeon,

1418
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: that maybe that species. If you don't have a billion,

1419
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: you don't have any Like you can't maintain a population

1420
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: of ten thousand passenger pigeons because passenger pigeons need to

1421
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: have hordes of them in order for them to be

1422
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: socially effective or to be reproductively effective. Final one is

1423
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: this final thought for the day. A guy wrote in

1424
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, curious about is it worthwhile putting in

1425
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: for the buffalo hunts in Montana, which are a mess,

1426
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: but I think it's worth while. So there's a couple

1427
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: of buffalo hunts you're looking. There's a gardener hunt in

1428
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: the West, Elstone hunt. It comes up every year where

1429
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: you have uh buffalo or bison are summering in Yellowstone

1430
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: and the winter, late winter, as the snow accumulates, they

1431
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: need to migrate out. And when they migrate out, they

1432
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: crossed the park boundaries and entered private land in national

1433
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: forest land. And there's a debate. There's this this argument

1434
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: that's a perennial argument that goes on around this where

1435
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: legally the animals aren't regarded as wildlife in Montana. Um

1436
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: they regarded once they go from being their wildlife in

1437
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: the park, even though their native fauna that have been

1438
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: present on the ground always it's like a native land mammal,

1439
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: native game animal, I would like to say, um. But

1440
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: when they leave the park, they lose their status is

1441
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: wildlife and they fall under right right now, to varying

1442
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: degrees that they fall under the jurisdiction of the Department

1443
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,799
Speaker 1: of Livestock. They fall under the jurisdiction of the Department

1444
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: of Livestock because they carry brucellosis, which is a livestock

1445
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: disease that cattle passed to buffalo, and now buffalo carry brucellosis,

1446
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: and they don't want the buffalo passing the brucellosis back

1447
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: to cattle. And so a state, you know, they enjoy

1448
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: brucellosis free status, and if the disease were to cross

1449
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 1: the species barrier back in the other direction once again,

1450
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: you'd have brucellosis in Montana livestock and you have to

1451
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: start doing all this testing and quarantining and it's very expensive.

1452
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: So they don't want brucellosis getting back in livestock. Forget

1453
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: about all that for a second. Um. One of the

1454
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: things that they do, one of the things that the

1455
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: state has been experimenting with and trying to do for

1456
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: a long time, is treating him like lives, treating him

1457
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: like wildlife. So they migrate out of the park, they

1458
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: cross in the national forest land. Here you have a

1459
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 1: resource that has value to people as food. It's a renewable,

1460
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: sustainable resource. And so the state will issue through a

1461
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: lottery permit, draw some limited number of hunting permits. And

1462
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: it's uh controversial. Can be a controversial hunt. There can

1463
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: be situations where there's not a lot of privacy while

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01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: you're hunting. There can be a fair bit of hand

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01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 1: holding going on and like letting you know when they've

1466
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 1: left and where they are. It's not perfect, but I

1467
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: think people should participate in it and and engage in

1468
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: it and get the most out of that that they can,

1469
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: including a whole shipload of great buffalo meat, for the

1470
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 1: reason that it is a step in the right direction.

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01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: And by that I mean it's a step in the

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01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: direction of managing this herd as native wildlife that can

1473
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: support some amount of consumptive use. You have people that

1474
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: want the meat, the population can support limited harvest. It

1475
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: might not be perfect, but hunters should get in there

1476
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: and be engaging in it and putting in their two

1477
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: cents and doing the hunt and helping hunt, letting hunt

1478
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: managers know, like what they liked about it, how it

1479
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: could be different in the future, and not just turning

1480
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: your back on it. Because this is a step in

1481
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,759
Speaker 1: the right direction. It's good that they're conducting these hunts.

1482
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: He wants to know if I would suggest three eight

1483
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: the huntee, you know, look into it. I put in

1484
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: form I put an inform and I've been down there

1485
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 1: observing the hunt before. It's something that we just need.

1486
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: I think it's nothing we need to be doing. There's

1487
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: no negative to it at all. And the more we

1488
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: can do to encourage states to recognize and manage these

1489
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: animals as as a big game species, the better. So

1490
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: take one for the team and go down there and

1491
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: do the hunt. What's the worst it comes out of it?

1492
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: You walk home with three hundred pounds, four hundred pounds

1493
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 1: of bones meat, and if you draw the tag, you

1494
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: can give it up, Like if you all of a

1495
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: sudden you're like, boy, I mean over my head, you

1496
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: can give it up. But yeah, th where you're happening

1497
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: the ring. But the hunts occur at a time of

1498
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: year when no one's hunting anyway, so you be able

1499
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 1: to round up all your bodies, like, dude, we're gonna

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01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: go out. We're gonna you know, it's kind of it's

1501
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: a hunt, it's a management thing. Um, we're gonna get

1502
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: the most out and we're all gonna walk home. We're

1503
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: all gonna walk with a hundred pounds of boneless heck. Yeah,

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01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: So Larry, get down there, bro, Thanks for joining US,