1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Every one of us, 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: and I mean every one of us, have some fantasy. 3 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: We have a fantasy to involve ourselves in something that 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: we think is going to bring us joy, peace, bring us, 5 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: maybe for a moment, some area of safety. But you 6 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: know that there are people out there where they have fantasies, 7 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: and these fantasies extend into very very deep, dark places. 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: I've borne witness to the outcomes many times of actions 9 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: that people have taken as a result of some kind 10 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: of fantasy that they might have. But I can't remember 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: a case that is any more horrific than the one 12 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about today. It involves a 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: young lady by the name of Kinsey Aubrey, and her 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: life became intertwined with a fantastical narrative that a monster 15 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: created and brought her into, and she wound up dead. 16 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags, Dave mac. 17 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I know that all of us entertained some type of fantasies. 18 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: As I've said, most of us. The fantasies that we have, 19 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: I think are are good ones. They were seeking out 20 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: to get away from whatever our mundane, humdrum lives are, 21 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: or maybe we're going through some tough times in our 22 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: life and we just want to escape, even just for 23 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: a moment. We fantasize about having a bank full of money, 24 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: or living on an island somewhere, or in a mountain 25 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: cabin with a rushing stream, someplace where we can find peace. 26 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: But isn't it amazing that some people, when they entertained fantasies, 27 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: they're not necessarily seeking peace. And the case that we 28 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: have today, I have to say to you, the individual 29 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: that is responsible for the homicide that we're going to 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: talk about, it's actually two people, but one primary their 31 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: fantasy actually involved arguably one of the most horrific things 32 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: that someone could conceive. 33 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: Kensey Aubrey Kensey thirty two years old. She is looking 34 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: for a fresh start. She was looking to live out 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 2: her fantasy of life at the age of thirty two. 36 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: A lot of us have made a number of mistakes 37 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: in our twenties. It's almost like you know your friends, 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: and when you're in your twenties, a friend college gen 39 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: and says, hey, Joe, let's go to the beach for 40 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: the night. Okay, in your thirties, are like, really, what 41 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: car are we taking in your forties? You're like, I 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: got to plan that. 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to make sure all my prescriptions are filled. Yeah. 44 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: And in the case of Kensey Aubrey, she was looking 45 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: for a fresh start and that's what brought her to 46 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: impact with this other man's fantasy. Her fantasy is to 47 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: begin her life over again. Kensey last seen in October 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: in Independent, Missouri. She was from Kansas City and her 49 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: mom said she just wanted a fresh start in life. 50 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: That's all she wanted, and so she went with some friends. 51 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: She didn't go on her own. She had a plan, 52 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: and she leaves home to start a new life, and 53 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: she ends up running into somebody who also had a 54 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: dream a fantasy. Hers was to live a simpler life, 55 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: to get her ducks in a row and move forward 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: with life. 57 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: His not so much. 58 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: I always go back to the very beginning of the 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: missing person's report to find out who we're looking for, 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: what kind of person are they. Oftentimes you can find 61 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 2: out a lot about where you're going to find them 62 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: when you know the end by their missing person that's 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: not indicated here. Her missing person report was very simple, Joe. 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: Mom hasn't seen her. Family usually has a lot of 65 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: contact with her. Last had contact October seventh, last known 66 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: to be with two men and a woman, Kansas City, 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: and we don't know where she is. 68 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: That's actually something you know. At the medical Examiner's office, 69 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: people think about the police. You go to see the police, 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: and you file a missing person's report. In a lot 71 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: of big cities, Atlanta being one where I used to work, 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: we actually had a missing person's file as well, and 73 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: that information did not come to us from the police. 74 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: We would have family members that would reach out to 75 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: us because many times family would assume the worst, and 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: sometimes it actually came to fruition, and we would have 77 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: a mom or a dad, or even a spouse that 78 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: would literally show up at the emmy's office. I've had 79 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: them come in Dave at two o'clock in the morning 80 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: and they'll say, I'm looking for my husband, or I'm 81 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: looking we're looking for our daughter. They just could not 82 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: take it any longer. And so you're sitting there at 83 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: a table with a family who has either been to 84 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: the police and they didn't receive satisfaction or they completely 85 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: skipped the police, and they come directly to you to 86 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the morgue. And we used to have a saying that 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: many times, particularly with spouses, people would we always felt 88 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: like there was that one group of people that would 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: come to the medical and say, have you seen my wife? 90 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Have you seen my husband? Knowing full well that the 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: person was come back home, and then when the person 92 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: does show back home, they can actually say to them, 93 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: I even went to the medical examiner's office to look 94 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: for you. That kind of thing. But when we would 95 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: sit down, you actually have a checklist that you go 96 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: down because the information is so very detailed for us, 97 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: and it is equally for the police. But from a 98 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: forensic standpoint, what we would have is we would have 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: this questionnaire that we would run through with family members 100 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: and it would cover everything from shoe size to any 101 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: other clothing articles. What did they tend to wear, hair color, 102 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: eye color? Have they had any surgeries or do they 103 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: have surgical scars? Do they have any kind of surgical 104 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: replacements like hips or do they have pins in their joints? 105 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: Have they ever had a heart surgery? Have they had 106 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: any kind of dental work whatsoever? Because many times that's 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: what everything hinges on. Unfortunately, many of the cases that 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: we get kind of a rise out of a set 109 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: of skeletal remains that we will find, and one of 110 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: the most resilient items there is going to be the 111 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: dentition because it survives even beyond bone many times. And 112 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: so if you have somebody that has a restoration of 113 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: some kind, or maybe there is a tooth that is 114 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: missing in an anti mortem state out of a skull, 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: that's going to be a specific indicator. So we would 116 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: have this long list that we would go down and 117 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: then we would list the person's name, and then the 118 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: family would leave us with that data. And it's a 119 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: great place to start from. So if we ever got 120 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: an unidentified body that came in from the field in 121 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: some way they found a skeleton or maybe just a 122 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: decomposing body, we would go back through our files first 123 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: off and say, well, has this person been reported missing? 124 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: The police are much broader because most of the time 125 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: they're looking for a living individual that may, on their 126 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: own free will and volition, just decided to shake the 127 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: dust off their sandals and go somewhere else, and you 128 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: have no idea where they are or where they wound up. 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: And that's just the way it works. 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 2: I'm glad you said it that way, because that's kind 131 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: of what it was here, you know, because mom was 132 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: like Kinsey left. I know, she had a rough life 133 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: growing up. She's trying to find her own way. Now 134 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: as an adult, she's thirty two, she can go wherever 135 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: she wants. Last scene with this two men and this 136 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: woman in Independence, Missouri with somebody please help me find 137 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: my daughter. And as you were talking about that, I 138 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: was thinking, you know, she did have some tattoos. Five 139 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: foot three, one hundred and thirty to one hundred and 140 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: fifty pounds. They had all that in the descriptor of 141 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: what to be looking for, but they didn't know it 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: at the time. But they weren't looking for her anymore. 143 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: It came to us from a teenager. A teenager in 144 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: the foster care system had been sexually molested by a 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: forty year old man. That's what broke the story. A 146 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: teenager who actually had the wherewithal to stand up and say, 147 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: this person abused me, and you're not going to believe 148 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: what else he told me. You're not going to believe 149 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: what else I've seen. 150 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: Look, foster care is great, and there have been some 151 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: fantastic success stories but I can tell you this from 152 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint. I've heard a lot of horror stories too, 153 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: and you never know where one of these poor kids 154 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: is going to land, and then what is going to 155 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: suddenly appear before their sight, what's going to be injected 156 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: into their already troubled life. This is a child, Dave, 157 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: which we can't reveal their name, But this is a 158 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: child like many foster children, who want a home, who 159 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: want to be loved, who want to be taken care of, 160 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: that want to give love and return. But yet when 161 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: you enter into this environment, many times trust is betrayed 162 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: and then they're left broken. But you talk about courage, 163 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine the courage that this young person had 164 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: to come forward and reveal one of the most evil 165 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: things that has ever been reported to that police department. 166 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: Don't know about you, Dave, But when I've lost something, 167 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: I have to have a place to start. I have 168 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: to have some kind of information, and most of the 169 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: time that information arises from my very faulty memory. But 170 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: other times I'll have other people in my life that 171 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: will say, last time I saw you, you had this 172 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: here or you had this there. When you're talking about 173 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: something as big as a missing person's case. Can't tell 174 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: you how many times investigators have scratched their heads over 175 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: cases where they don't ever find anything. And to have 176 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: a young person, a teenager, come forward with information that 177 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: is so incredibly troubling, disturbing, and mind blowing, I can 178 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: only imagine the response that these officers had when they 179 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: were told this tale. 180 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: People in the past carry system young people. We know 181 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: that there's a lot of bad situations there. They're oftentimes 182 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: taken out of a bad situation and placed in foster 183 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: care where they become a victim again of another predator 184 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: of a different type. Here's the case of this unnamed teenager. 185 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: She actually knew this woman named Maggie Yebara, the team 186 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: that we're talking about. She had been removed from a 187 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: home that Maggie Yebara was in. I don't know what 188 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: their relationship is, but the teenager knew Maggie and she 189 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: was living in foster care. She went looking for Maggie. 190 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: They had a relationship to when she was a small child. 191 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: Now Maggie Yebara is thirty years old. We know this 192 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: girl's a teen, we don't know how old, but she 193 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: knew Maggie Yabara as a child and she went looking 194 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: for her. As a teen, she found Maggie Yabara, and 195 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: Maggie Yabara was involved romantically with a forty year old 196 00:10:54,559 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: man named Michael Hendrix. Michael Hendrix and Maggie Yabara had 197 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: a really wild sex life, if you want to call 198 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: it that. It was violent, it was fantasy of stuff. 199 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: I don't know how people fantasize things. I know there's 200 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: different strokes for different folks. But this teenage girl who 201 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: looked up a woman from her childhood, and it opened 202 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: the door to Satan's hell itself because Maggie Yabara showed 203 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: this girl a picture of a woman who was being 204 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: sexually abused. She had photos on her phone of a naked, 205 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: bound and gagged woman and there were other images on 206 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: the phone depicting dismembered human remains. Now, I don't know 207 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: if Maggie Yebara showed these pictures to the teen as 208 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: a threat. This could be you. I don't know, because 209 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: we haven't had a chance to find out who she is. 210 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: I just know that she's braver than I would have 211 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: been in my teens. 212 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that part of this, You might 213 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: be right. Those were being used as leverage perhaps, or 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: if it can get any sicker, maybe as an enticement. 215 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine how someone's mind would work if 216 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: you're trying to entie someone into a specific behavior. But 217 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: isn't it correct that Michael Hendrix actually wound up abusing, 218 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: I think, sexually abusing this team as well, did he not? 219 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: She tells police that while he was sexually abusing her, 220 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: while he was set well, forty year old Michael Hendricks 221 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: is sexually abusing this teenage girl. He is telling her 222 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: what he has done. He likes killing, He has a 223 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: sexual fantasy. And she actually said to police that he 224 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: likes killing. He gets excited, it gets him off to kill. 225 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: That's what he told this girl while he was sexually 226 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: abusing her. That's what she was hearing. It all leads 227 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: to a missing person because the photos on that phone 228 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: were of the missing woman we told you about at 229 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: the very beginning. It was the woman whose mother called 230 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: police and said, I haven't heard from my thirty two 231 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: year old daughter. She left Kansas City. She was headed 232 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: to Independence to start her a new life, and I 233 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: haven't heard from her in a while can you help 234 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: me find my daughter and Joe, they couldn't find her. 235 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: And even when they found something and they got the 236 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: information from this unnamed teen girl, we know she's been 237 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: threatened with abuse. We know she's been abused. We know 238 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: she's seen horrible photos. She's seen a naked woman bounding gag, 239 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: sexually abused. We know the girl is sexually abused, and 240 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: we know that she's been showing pictures of a dismembered woman. 241 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: The teenage girl told the police that forty year old 242 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: Michael Hendrix molested her and told her he killed a woman. 243 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: He put her body in the freezer and then cut 244 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: her up and buried the remains. 245 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: A lot of data there to try to understand and 246 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: understand the scope of it. From an investigative perspective, it's 247 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: important to understand how I was talking about the questionnaire 248 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: that we fill out for the medical examiner when we 249 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: would interview family members. For instance, one of the key 250 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: things is that we look for or any kind of 251 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: specific identification on an individual. And we do know that 252 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: Kensy's body, when the body was finally recovered, had been dismembered, 253 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: and it's difficult to try to get a body identified 254 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: anyway that's in a state of decomposition. But when you 255 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: have a body that has in fact been piecemealed out 256 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: like this, and I'll get into that in just a 257 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: moment how this was achieved allegedly, then you have to 258 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: look at the individual elements of the body that are 259 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: left behind to try to understand who they might be. Well, 260 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: what are you going to look for a person as 261 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: young as Kensy. You're not necessarily going to see a 262 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: lot of surgical events that have taken place. You know, 263 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that we commonly look for. 264 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: You might have evidence of bone breakage, and we can 265 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: actually pick up on that on X ray because we 266 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: will in the morgue, we have our own X ray machines. 267 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: We will x ray the individual dismembered remains. Say, if 268 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: you have an arm, a lower leg, and an upper leg, 269 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: maybe even ahead, you will X ray those items individually 270 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: to see if there's anything that you can see without 271 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: the aid of something you would not otherwise see. So, 272 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: if you've got an old fracture line that can be identified, 273 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: but even with decomposing remains, it's kind of fascinating if 274 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: you've got, for instance, still soft tissue on a human 275 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: leg or arm, or maybe even the back. Did you 276 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: know that, as decayed as the body might be, that 277 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: top layer of skin on the body, the epidermis. You 278 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: can take the edge of a scalpel and begin to 279 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: scrape away the epidermis, and all you see is this 280 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: kind of black, greenish discoloration. But you might just buy 281 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: eyeball in it. You might be able to see something 282 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: just beneath it. And I cannot tell you how many 283 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: times I've actually done this with a scalpel blade, where 284 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: you just kind of scrape away. It almost looks like 285 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: you're shaving. But as you begin to scrape that away, 286 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: suddenly you find a tattoo. It's it's a pretty profound 287 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: moment for you from an identification standpoint, where you can 288 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: remove that top layer of decomposing tissue and still appreciate. 289 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: That's how resilient tattoos are. 290 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: How deep do they go? 291 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: They go pretty deep, I mean well down into the dermis, 292 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: and so that's why it's such an arduous task to 293 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: have them removed. It's not as bad as it used 294 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: to be, but it is still something that procedure in 295 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: and of itself is not something that's pleasant to have 296 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: to go through. But the skin is essentially inked and stained, 297 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: you know now forever amen. And as you scrape away 298 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: that top layer, many times you can truly appreciate a tattoo. 299 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: And if you apply I think that it's hydrogen peroxide. 300 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: We would do that in the morgue and kind of 301 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: let it bubble to get out a lot of the 302 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: dirt that's in there. Sometimes you can kind of bring 303 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: them back to life and see them see some level 304 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: of vibrancy in the midst of all of this decay. 305 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: You can even go back as far as and I 306 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: urge anybody, because I've told you before I'm a history guy. 307 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: You go back and you look at the bog bodies 308 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: that were covered out of Denmark, and I think some 309 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: of the British isles they had rudimentary tattoos on the body. 310 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: And this was back in the copper Age. They had tattoos. 311 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: You can still see those on some of those bodies 312 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: now because the bodies are so well preserved out of 313 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: the bog, you can still pick up on a lot 314 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: of indicators that might tell you what the point of 315 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: origin is. Here's the problem with tattoos nowadays, though, because 316 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: everybody has them. It used to be where when you 317 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: were using a tattoo specifically identify a body, many tattoo 318 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: artists came from particular schools of training, and you can 319 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: actually kind of trace a familial lineage to the training. Nowadays, 320 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: there are tattoo shops everywhere. You don't necessarily have to 321 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: sit at the feet of a master to learn, and 322 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: many times tattoos all look the same to us. I'm 323 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: no officionado, but it's not as distinctive, say, for instance, 324 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: that it once was. When we're trying to get a 325 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: body adified, there's any number of things that we're going 326 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: to look for. And when you're standing over a grave, 327 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: as in a clandestine grave, as these investigators were out 328 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: there in Missouri, they had when they cracked up in 329 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: the ground, they certainly had more questions than they did answers. 330 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: So many times during my career I stood over severely 331 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: decomposing human remains and I would think, and this is 332 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: back at the morgue even I would think to myself, 333 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: how in the world are we going to make sense 334 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: of this? And I don't want to screw anything up. 335 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: Relative to examination, or collection of evidence, because everything just 336 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: appears so fragile and isn't great though, just like anything 337 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: in life where you have a few answers prior to 338 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: setting out on this kind of intellectual voyage of discovery 339 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: if you're a scientist. 340 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 2: The teenage victim here is where we get a lot 341 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: of our information. First of all, I want to go 342 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: back to the original relationship because as I was digging deeper, 343 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: where we find out that this teenage girl that we 344 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: found out all the info from that she actually looked 345 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: up Maggie Ybara. Maggie is the thirty year old girlfriend 346 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: of forty year old Michael Hendrix, who actually is charged 347 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: with they're both charged by the way, But I founded 348 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: this teen girl when she was a younger child, was 349 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: actually in the care of Maggie Yabara. So she had 350 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: that type of relationship, digging it back to her child. 351 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: So she tracks Maggie Yabara down. She's looking for that relation. 352 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: This is a foster care child who's looking for her home. 353 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: She's looking and that's why I think there's some relationship here. 354 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: The reason the girl was removed from Maggie's care as 355 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: a child is because one of Maggie's boyfriends at the 356 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: time sexually molested this girl who is now a teenager. 357 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: The teenager now tracks Maggie down. Maggie shows her these 358 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: pictures of a dead body, and we know that Michael 359 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: Hendricks sexually molested the girl, the teen girl, and while 360 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: he was doing it, he told her that he got 361 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: off on killing people, that it got him excited sexually. Now, 362 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: the teen girl tells the police that she was told 363 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: that Michael Hendrix choked the woman out that he killed, 364 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: that he choked her out and then stuffed her body 365 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: in the freezer and cut her up with a chainsaw 366 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: before burying her. And Joe, I want to go right 367 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: back to the very beginning on this a Why put 368 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: a body in a freezer? Isn't that going to make 369 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: it even more difficult to cut up? And we're told 370 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: the girl that the girl was told that she was 371 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: choked out, that she was murdered by choking, but we 372 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: don't Is there a way to prove that after the 373 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: body's been frozen and cut up? 374 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: Yes? And yeah, let me kind of break this down 375 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: to you. And I'm going to start off by telling 376 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: you a very brief story. When I was still working 377 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: in New Orleans. I had a case that I'd never 378 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: had ever before encountered anything like this. I had a 379 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: guy who was a cook's first mate on an international 380 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: oil tanker. It was a Korean crew and he got 381 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: into a fight with the chef on the ship, and 382 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: the chef took a meat cleaver and hit this guy. 383 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correctly, the count was like 384 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: in excess of one hundred and sixty times, and they 385 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: were coming around the horn in South America. They took 386 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: the victim's body and put it into the deepris and 387 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: they've got like the super duper depris on the ships, 388 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: which I was not aware of. The first port that 389 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: they put into was actually in my jurisdiction on the 390 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: Mississippi River. And so we caught the case, and it 391 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: was something, I mean, we had to get like the 392 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: Korean consulate involved in it, and all sorts of the 393 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: ship had a Liberian registry. But we kind of got 394 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: things figured out. But when we got this guy's body, 395 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: they did there was a scene in Goodfellas where they 396 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: said when they got Carbone's body, it was frozen so stiff. 397 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: They had to wait for three days before they could 398 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: do the autopsy. That is the truth. This guy's body 399 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: was frozen so thoroughly that we had to allow him 400 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: to thaw out before we could do the autopsy. However, 401 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: it was an experience because everything, in a literal sense 402 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: was frozen in time. So all of those injuries that 403 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: this person had sustained as a result of that attack 404 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: remained in place. They didn't change. They didn't change as 405 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: a result of decomposition. So with our victim here, with 406 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: this young woman who has now been killed, and we 407 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: have information that she has been strangled, Essentially she's placed 408 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: in a deep freeze, those insults that she sustained to 409 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: her body paused. Now, bodies never completely ceased decomposing, even 410 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: in cool temperatures. It just it kind of retards the 411 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: progression of it. So in this particular case, it's going 412 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: to slow it down. It's not going to go at 413 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: as quick as speed. Remember we talked about heat bringing 414 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: about decomposition in a very quick manner, but it will 415 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: slow this process down. And so those marks that you 416 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: might see around the neck if you're talking about a 417 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: manual strangulation, those contoosed areas are still going to be there. 418 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: But I had a real thought about this. What would 419 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: be the utility and why would you freeze a body 420 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: after you have taken this poor girl's life? And here's 421 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: what I came to a conclusion. This is a conclusion 422 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: I came to, you know, from an investigative perspective. First off, 423 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: you're trying to think about what to do with the body. 424 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, can you imagine? And I hope you can't, 425 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: but just imagine if you will. You've just killed a 426 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: human being in this fever that you're in because of 427 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: this fantasy world in which you're into. Well, and now 428 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: you have this oh my god moment where it's like, Okay, 429 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: I finally fulfilled this fantasy. Now what am I going 430 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: to do with the remains? Now? This Hendrix guy, he 431 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: lives and this is just outside Kansas City by the way, 432 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: where they finally recover her body. He's got a fantastic property. 433 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm only get a pictures of this thing, and it's 434 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: absolutely it'll knock your socks off. I mean it's gorgeous, 435 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: very pretty, very big, beautiful house, an outdoor workshop, beautiful 436 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: green grass, rolling hills. He has got enough land it 437 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: would appear that he could get rid of a body. 438 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: He has access to this property at least, and you 439 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: look where the body is actually found, and it's immediately 440 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: adjacent to one of the buildings. So it's almost like 441 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: he didn't go to a great deal of effort to 442 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: try to find some isolated rural area to get rid 443 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: of her. In my assumption was it was convenient and 444 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: he had nothing but time on his hands. So to 445 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: say that he's killed her and he makes the decision, 446 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to freeze the body. That way, I can 447 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: have a pause so I can decide, I can get 448 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: all my tools together, I can make up my mind 449 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: as to how I want to handle this. What's a 450 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: rural setting. You're not going to really raise an eyebrow 451 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: if you hear a chainsaw going off, right. 452 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: You think about a body that would be just the skin, 453 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: it would just be torn that the chainsaw would just 454 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: be gummed and I don't mean to make light of it, 455 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: but gummed up with the body part, the skin and 456 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: the tissue and the muscle. It's a big mess. 457 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: It is a big mess, but not with a frozen body. 458 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: It's not a frozen body literally becomes frozen to the core. 459 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: It's almost dave, like you're dealing with a piece of wood. 460 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: Wow, with the body. Once you freeze the body, it 461 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: would make it easier to cut up than if it 462 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: wasn't frozen. 463 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: Correct, Absolutely, If you have a tool like a chainsaw 464 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: or a skill saw perhaps or bandsaw some kind, Yeah, 465 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: it would make it very easy to do, all right. 466 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: But we all know that decomposing bodies smell that they 467 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: have a very I promise you, if you've ever smelled this, 468 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 2: you will never forget it. It will always come back 469 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: to you and you know immediately. By the way, I 470 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: think people know what the smell of decomposing flesh is 471 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 2: even before they've ever smelled it before, because it is 472 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: so unique to human beings and what we smell like 473 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: when we are decomposing. Does freezing stop that process? And 474 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: will the body still as it thaws out? Once you've 475 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: cut the body up and you're going to bear it, 476 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: would it then as it thaws would it start to 477 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: have an odor? Or would it have an odor when 478 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: it's frozen? 479 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: No, it would in my estimation, if her body went 480 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: into that freezer as soon as she died, or within 481 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: say an hour, all right, and she shut up in 482 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: there the really pronounced decompositional odor that you get with 483 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: advanced decomposition that is not current at this point. That's 484 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: why I say that it retards the process. It literally 485 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: backs it up, and that's why it's so difficult many 486 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: times to try to pinpoint. There are a number of 487 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: cases out there where people have killed into visuals and 488 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: place them in a freezer, and then they go to 489 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: thaw them out later, so that decompositional process as the 490 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: body thaws, it kicks in as if the person has 491 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: just dyed. I think one of the most entertaining movies 492 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: I've ever seen is this thing with Jack Black called Bernie, 493 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: and it's based on a true story about this funeral 494 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: director killed this woman in Texas. I recommend this movie 495 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: to anybody. It's absolutely fascinating. It's got Matthew McConaughey in 496 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: it and Shirley MacLean. It's a fascinating movie, it really is, 497 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: and it's really based on a true story and the 498 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: victim in this case was actually placed into a deep 499 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: free so it facilitates mainly not creating a mess. Because 500 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: if you think about this high speed blade of a chainsaw, 501 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: and it is a chain with tiny individual little blades 502 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: on it that's literally grinding through tissue. If you do 503 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: this with something soft, you're going to have this tremendous 504 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: amount of cast off, high speed cast off that's going 505 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: all over the place. I've actually got a colleague of 506 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: mine who within the last couple of years has worked 507 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: a case where an individual was dismembered with chains on 508 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: the back of a pickup truck. And it was a 509 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: bloody mess, literally, and there was blood cast off that went, 510 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: and it was done in the bed of the truck. 511 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: It was cast off over the cab of the truck, 512 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: down the front of the truck, and even onto the 513 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: leading edge of the truck where the grill is. And 514 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: so it's it's a fascinating dynamic because it's a high 515 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: speed event. But if you now have frozen tissue, it's 516 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: like I was saying before, when you're going through this 517 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: tissue and it's frozen solid, it's like going through a 518 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: piece of wood. So you're really you're encountering something here. 519 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: As an investigator, if you're trying to pin down a timeline, 520 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: the data that you're working with is going to be 521 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: greatly skewed. If you're looking to get some kind of 522 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: indication from a biological marker here, because decomposition has been 523 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: thwarted at this point. Now, once these individual remains are 524 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: placed into the ground, all bets are off because you 525 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: will get decomposition going on and it will pick up 526 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And if the body is not in a 527 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: sealed state or a cocoon state, it's even going to 528 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: probably speed this along as well. And you have to 529 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: think about it. Another thing, was the body clothed or unclosed? 530 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: Because now after I find out as an investigator that 531 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: this young girl is relating to me the story that 532 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: she's heard. Hey, I was told that this body was 533 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: dismembered with a chainsaw. Let that sink in Well, I 534 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: want to do everything I can on my warrant. When 535 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: I draw up this warrant and I go search this 536 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: guy's property, which they wound up doing, I'm looking for 537 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: that chainsaw because I'm going to try to find a 538 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: couple of things from a perspective of fiber evidence, I 539 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: want to know if there are any bits of cloth 540 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: that are caught up in here. And you can clean 541 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: an item to a certain degree, but you're always going 542 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: to miss something. And then from there, I'm going to 543 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: for things like hair. I want to know if there's 544 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: any hair left behind. I want to know if underneath 545 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: and in the edges of any of these little saw blades, 546 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: if there are any skin at all, period I want 547 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: to know if that's there. If I can find any 548 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: skin cells, then I'm going to look for muscle, and 549 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: all of these tissues microscopically are specifically identifiable. If you 550 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: can find a bit of that on there and you 551 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: can look at it under the scope, you can get 552 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: an idea. It's one of the things we learned in 553 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: microscopic anatomy. You can tell the difference between skin cells 554 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: and muscle cells and bone cells, and there will be 555 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: bone cells as well, because the bone is being pulpified 556 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: at the same time, because it kicks up and it 557 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: creates almost like a histamine mist. If you've ever seen 558 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: an animal that's been butchered and has been placed on 559 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: a bandsaw, it almost looks like sawdust dave, and so 560 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: it leaves behind that residue as well, So you've got 561 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: all of these bits of trace evidence that can be 562 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: tied back to that chainsaw. Not to mention the unique 563 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: tool marks that are left behind on these bones. When 564 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: you get the bone out of the grave and that 565 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: chainsaw is in your possession, if you really want to 566 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 1: try to prove this thing, you send this to a 567 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: tool mark examiner and what they'll do is they'll take 568 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: like a bovine, a cowbone or pig bone, and they 569 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: will try to duplicate these marks on that bone with 570 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: said chainsaw and find out if they can duplicate those 571 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: marks and if they marry up to the marks and 572 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: the bones they recover from the grave, and you've got 573 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: ownership of the chainsaw. But can you put that chainsaw 574 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: into his hand. Well, we've got circumstantial information from this 575 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: young girl that says that he admitted or that this woman, 576 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: this other party had stated that the body was in 577 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: fact dismembered with a chainsaw. 578 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: One of the things we found out as this case 579 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: has gone on, this thirteen year old girl that we've 580 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: talked about, she's the hero in this case. You have 581 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: a mother looking for her daughter, woman looking for a 582 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: new fresh start, and she ends up in the hands 583 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: of these evil people. That thirteen year old girl that 584 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: talked about seeing the pictures, she was sexually abused by 585 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: this forty year old man who told her that he 586 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: gets off on it found out a trial that believe 587 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 2: it or not, Yabarra's mother, whose name is Ruth Loans, 588 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: she knew about the body being cut up. She was 589 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: shown pictures and she testified that these people actually tried 590 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: to get rid of the body by putting it in 591 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: plastic totes, taking it up in a helicopter, and dumping 592 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: it over water. But the plastic totes floated, so they 593 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: had to get the toat so the body parts out, 594 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 2: and that's when they said they were going to bury 595 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: it on the property. And that's why it took time. 596 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: They tried several different things to get rid of that 597 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: body before they buried it on that man's property. But 598 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: we have a thirteen year old girl who was sexually 599 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: abused by this man, and I'm assuming her mother at 600 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: this point. Think about it. She's thirty, the girl's thirteen. 601 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: She was the girl was taken away from Yebarra when 602 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: she was a small child because Ybarra's boyfriends were sexually 603 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: abusing her as a child. She tracks her mother down, 604 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: mom shows her pictures of this dismembered body. I mean, 605 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: all of it kind of comes together. 606 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: Joe Yeah, it does. And it's very sad that she 607 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: cycled back into this horror show that's such a very 608 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: young and tender age. What she has borne witness to. 609 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: From just the perspective of horror, most people could live 610 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: three lifetimes and never be exposed to anything like this. 611 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: But at the end, both Yabarah and Hendrix have both 612 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: been convicted. They're going to be in jail for a 613 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: long long time. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.