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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace and incredible boy, an incredible boy.

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Speaker 1: You know. I call my son John David my wonder boy.

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Speaker 1: Jason Landry was driving home from San Marcus to visit

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Speaker 1: Loved one say Jason Landry was on his way to

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Speaker 1: How does that happen? Where is twenty one year old

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Speaker 1: Jason Landry with me an all star panel to try

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Speaker 1: to make sense of this seemingly senseless situation. Doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: Family Law dot com. No stranger to a courtroom Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Star of a brand new hit series on True Crime Network,

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Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaison Death Investigator. Joseph Scott Morgan, Senior Digital Forensic Examiner,

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Speaker 1: is with us Special Guests joining us. Cheryla point cousin,

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Speaker 1: the victim in this case, the young man we're looking for.

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Speaker 1: She's a genetic genealogist, the gene hunter at the gene

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Speaker 1: Jeans very special guests joining me Landry. You can find

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Speaker 1: Kent on Facebook at Facebook dot com, slash Fine Jason Landry,

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Speaker 1: but straight to Alexis Torrestchuck Crimeline dot com and investigative

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Speaker 1: What can we learn from any GPS in the car

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Speaker 1: Forensics to Kent Landry. This is Jason's dad who's been

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Speaker 1: Jason enters Luling on Texas Highway eighty. He stops using

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Speaker 1: the Waves app and opens up Snapchat. Passes through Magnolia

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Speaker 1: and East Austin, and that is where his digital footprint stopped. That's,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the big question. I'm pretty comfortable saying

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Speaker 1: based on everything that the last relatively certain, because there's

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Speaker 1: almost no certainty here. But sitting at the light in

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Speaker 1: Luling where normally you would turn right if you were,

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Speaker 1: you know, heading the correct way, you would turn right,

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Speaker 1: and then a couple of blocks theater you turn left

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Speaker 1: and then you head out High ten. Sitting at that

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Speaker 1: light at about eleven twenty four is the last kind

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Speaker 1: of point in time we feel pretty certain what is

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Speaker 1: going on after that point the sixty seven minutes until

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Speaker 1: that young man finds his car wrecked on the side

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Speaker 1: of the road. Absolutely anybody's guests. And then of course

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Speaker 1: the bigger question, the one I really care about, is

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Speaker 1: what happened after that and where's my son? But no,

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Speaker 1: after that point in time, it could be anything from

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Speaker 1: a carjacking to a road rap. I mean it could

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Speaker 1: be I just you know, could he wreck and be

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Speaker 1: completely gone in just sixty seven minutes? Guys, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Jacob Rascar on at k r

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Speaker 1: PC Houston. It was finally time for Jason Landry to

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Speaker 1: come home for Christmas. He left Texas State in San

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Speaker 1: Marcus Sunday night, but didn't get far. Just after midnight,

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Speaker 1: the local sheriff's department got a call about a totaled

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Speaker 1: sedan along Salt Flat Road. It was Jason's Nissan Ultimu

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Speaker 1: with his wallet, phone and other belongings inside, but no

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Speaker 1: Jason at the moment. They're using dogs to trying to

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Speaker 1: search for him by scent. I'm there and he's trying

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Speaker 1: to helicopter. He's in the infrared light and didn't have

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Speaker 1: any luck. You can imagine Lisa Landry, his mother, is worried, sick,

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Speaker 1: and in a bit of shock that this is all

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Speaker 1: really happening. He's alone, he doesn't have his his phone

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Speaker 1: or his wallet, and it's cold outside, and I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know where it is and I'd like to

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Speaker 1: find him. You were hearing Lisa, Jason's mother, to Jason

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Speaker 1: Landry's dad joining me, can't Landry, what toll is this

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Speaker 1: search taking on your family? Well, say it's hard is

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Speaker 1: the world's greatest understatement. You know, honestly, the thing that's

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Speaker 1: keeping us going is the prayers of thousands of people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been amazing. You know, our faith and

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Speaker 1: our family we know that no matter what happened, we

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Speaker 1: know God knows, and we're just continuing to hope and

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Speaker 1: pray and trying to do the best we can given

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Speaker 1: the circumstances. Is it correct to Cheryl a Point, the

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Speaker 1: cousin of the Lantern Landry family, you know her as

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Speaker 1: the gene hunter, that a small amount of blood was found. Yes, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: there were spots of blood found, one believed the band

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Speaker 1: of his underwear and also on a tag on an

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Speaker 1: article of clothing. And I don't believe there was any

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Speaker 1: blood found in the core um when it was analyzed.

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Speaker 1: Two Ken Landry, this is Jason's dad. A little bit

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Speaker 1: of blood found on the band of his underwear in

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Speaker 1: the front the side of the back um. It was

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Speaker 1: found on the tag of his two dots of underwear

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Speaker 1: blood and by that I mean dot like the tip

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Speaker 1: of a racer of a pen pencil um on the

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Speaker 1: the tag on his shorts, which is I guess would

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Speaker 1: be your probably the left hip area on those shorts,

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Speaker 1: maybe right hip around your hip and then right around

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Speaker 1: the waistband at the top. So probably the car came

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Speaker 1: to rest on the driver's side against a barbed wire fence.

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Speaker 1: If Jason pushed the door open and tried to kind

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Speaker 1: of scoot along the side of the door to get

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Speaker 1: out easily, the barbed wire could have um, you know,

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Speaker 1: pricked him and be that small amount of blood just

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Speaker 1: thinking about that was the barb wire ever tested, mister Royatree,

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. I do

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Speaker 1: not know. I mean the whole the whole scene of

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Speaker 1: the car accident, to my knowledge, has never been accordinged

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Speaker 1: because I know there were pieces of his car there

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Speaker 1: for weeks on end, and probably if you went out

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Speaker 1: there right now, I don't know. People have been going by,

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Speaker 1: I think collecting them. I don't nothing he will be left.

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Speaker 1: But there were some last time I was there, and

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Speaker 1: no blood on the inside of the car, not to

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Speaker 1: my knowledge. Okay to you, Jessicat Morgan. That speaks volumes

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Speaker 1: to me. I think mister Landry's assessment is correct. If

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Speaker 1: there's no blood on the inside, he had to get

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Speaker 1: those tiny bits of dropped a bit of blood on

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Speaker 1: his hip area from somewhere and that makes perfect sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the likely candidate like mister Landrew had mentioned, could be

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Speaker 1: that barbed wire that the car was resting against. And

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Speaker 1: you know, this impact that he sustained in this vehicle

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Speaker 1: could have disoriented him to a great degree. And it's

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Speaker 1: still very curious though for me as to wise clothing

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Speaker 1: would be off of his person. My understanding was was

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Speaker 1: that the shirt that he was seen wearing earlier in

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Speaker 1: the evening was actually found at the scene. Is that correct,

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Speaker 1: mister Landry? That's correct, and we know that because of

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Speaker 1: those released photos. Is the same shirt in the photos,

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Speaker 1: mister Landry? Yes, that certainly is a shirt. I know.

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Speaker 1: I mean because he was snapchatting and instagramming with one

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Speaker 1: of his friends while he was packing up to leave

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Speaker 1: and it just changed into that shirt and watching the

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Speaker 1: video and so I'm assuming that's what he was wearing.

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Speaker 1: And you know it for me as a parent to

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Speaker 1: you can't even imagine a red T shirt we're talking about, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Just what why? You know, it's it's an interesting intellectual

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Speaker 1: exercise for a lot of people, but for me, it

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Speaker 1: hurts my heart to think that my boy is and

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Speaker 1: it was cold, it was cold, and Wendy, why would

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Speaker 1: he take his clothes off in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: road in this kind of temperature. The airbags didn't deploy

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Speaker 1: on the car. There's no side impact on this car.

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Speaker 1: And this is an old car. You don't get to

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Speaker 1: make a lot of money, so kids get to drive

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Speaker 1: old cars as the two thousand and three. So there's

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Speaker 1: no And I understand mister that hundreds of hours of

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Speaker 1: security videos from in and around Louling were reviewed. No

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Speaker 1: evidence at Oh, what are the what's the police working

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Speaker 1: theory right now, mister Landry, you'd have to check with them.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they the case. And just

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Speaker 1: to be clear, the case was originally handled by Texas

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Speaker 1: State Highway Patrol. About a week later they turned it

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Speaker 1: over to the Caldwell County Sheriff's Office. The Caldwell County

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office, you know, starting late, and of course with

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Speaker 1: the issues with destructure of evidence and everything else, has

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Speaker 1: kind of been running a race from behind, which is

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Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons they've shared so much

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Speaker 1: information so that they can get that one person to

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Speaker 1: come forward who might shed light on something and make

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Speaker 1: it make clear is this a tragedy? And in terms

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Speaker 1: of you know, someone disappearing, and they've searched for miles

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Speaker 1: and miles. They started with dogs, people, drones, kind of

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Speaker 1: a specialized Mini Predator drone which is a new one.

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Speaker 1: Helicopter's fixed wing aircraft have all been used. And horses,

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Speaker 1: horse and ATV and stuff like that. Where is this why?

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Speaker 1: Jason Landry twenty one years old, driving home for Christmas break.

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Speaker 1: We find his car, we find his cell phone, we

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Speaker 1: find his clothes, his back back, but no Jason. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to k RPC Houston. Hello. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jason Landry and I'm currently a sophomore on Texas State.

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Speaker 1: A few videos and hundreds of photos is all the

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Speaker 1: Landry family has of their youngest child. Jason is a dad.

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Speaker 1: I'm blessed, I mean because because I have memories. I

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Speaker 1: have wonderful memories. It's just hard when you're sitting here

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Speaker 1: thinking all you'll have of that child is memories. Jason's

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Speaker 1: car was found totaled, the keys still in the ignition,

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Speaker 1: but there was no sign of Jason. People ask me,

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Speaker 1: what do I think happen? I'm like, I don't have

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Speaker 1: the slightest idea Inside his office at Southminster Presbyterian Church,

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Speaker 1: Pastor Kent Landry updates me on his son's missing person's case.

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Speaker 1: The Attorney General's Office is in the process of forming

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Speaker 1: a cold Case division. We would love for them to

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Speaker 1: take it on, Kent says. He hopes investigators will secure

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Speaker 1: a geofence warrant would kind of think help resolve the