1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: This podcast is a dramatization of fictionalized events that contains 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: culturally insensitive language and violence. I have an uncle that 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: I've never met. His name was Aaron, and he died 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: in an awful car accident at the young age of sixteen, 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: when a drunk driver plowed into his Mustang on Pacific 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Coast Highway, just less than a mile and a half 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: from the home where my grandparents. His parents lived to 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: this day. The drunk driver walked away with a few 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: minor cuts and scrapes, and he also escaped our judicial 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: system with nothing more than probation, a fine, and community service. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: The last time I visited my grandmother, or my bubby 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: as I call her, we were sitting in her kitchenette, 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: and I could sense that she was in a rare, 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: reflective mood. So I asked her about Uncle Aaron and 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: what it was like losing her son. So suddenly she 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: stared blankly in my direction, as if I was no 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: longer in the room, almost as if she couldn't see me. 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: And then she touched her wrinkled but sturdy hand to 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: her temple and said to me softly, Kate, I think 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: I heard the sound of my brain crack inside my 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: head when I think of Gerald inside Jason's forty two 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: sports bar and Grill coming to terms with the fact 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: that Niles was dead. I can't help but wonder did 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Gerald hear his spring cracked two just like my bubbies? 25 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: As the medics stepped out the front door in the 26 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: police department, swat team swept him away from the building. 27 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: Here's what we do for sure what was happening inside 28 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: the bar. Gerald, with his assault rifle still strapped over 29 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: his shoulder, draws the handgun from his waistband and walks 30 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: decisively over to Sergeant Place and presses the barrel hard 31 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: against the officer's forehead. Gerald fires off three successive shots 32 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: just inches above Sergeant places head. Oh my good man. 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Let me let me just tell you something about the bullets. Okay, 34 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: they ripped into the kitchen towel, and then they exploded 35 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: into these like little white clouds. Like literally, I can 36 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: see these little white clouds. Check this out. You see 37 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: this right here, m I still have tiny shots stuck 38 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: underneath my skin. This is the voice of Martin Sims. 39 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: He pulls back his long sleeve shirt and shows me 40 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: this gnarly constellation of scars running up his forearm. Jesus, 41 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: that must have hurt. Man, sh it still hurts, really? 42 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every time something brushes up against it feels 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: like I'm being poked by a thousand little pieces of glass. 44 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: So where you relieved when you're real is Jerald was 45 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: shooting into the wall? That was was they relieved? I mean, sure, 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: I was glad he didn't kill a man, but his 47 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: shooting to the wall was no small thing. And at 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: that point, I'm thinking to myself, what if Jase's right? 49 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: What if this cop is our only means of protection? 50 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: Like Gerald, busting off warning shots isn't going to put 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: anyone at ease. So look, if anything, that was the 52 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: moment I knew I better wise up. How So, it 53 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: just became clear to me that if I was going 54 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: to make it out of their live, I could not 55 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: sit back and wait for some crazy man to do 56 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: the right thing. So I started applot on how to 57 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: get myself out of the situation, and my best chance 58 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: of doing that was I needed to flip Chase Well 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: Martin was gaining clarity on what he should do next. 60 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: The hostage negotiation team debated with their next move should 61 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: be Commander Ammon's accounts, when I heard the shots ring 62 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: out again, my first instinct was to make sure we 63 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: stood down okay. I quickly got confirmation from Captain Flora's 64 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: that the weapons discharge came from inside the building. My 65 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: next priority was to get home or talking to the 66 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: HTS again and figure out exactly what the hell was 67 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: going on in there. In the security cam we see 68 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,119 Speaker 1: Gerald leave the kitchen and go all the way over 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: to the dining room. This is pivotal because he doesn't 70 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: have line of sight, nor is he an earshot of 71 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: everybody else still in the kitchen, So here he is 72 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: about as far away as he possibly could be. Martin recalls, 73 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: but what was scary about that was it was my 74 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: real first opportunity to try to make a break for it, 75 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: try and escape. And he was right, because not only 76 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: were they separated by distance, Gerald at this point in 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: time seemed just sort of out of it. For a 78 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: couple of minutes. There's footage of Gerald with his hands 79 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: bawled up and fist clasped to his head, and he's 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: rocking back and forth making a weird, anguished sound. In 81 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: the background, we can hear the throw line phone ringing 82 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: incessantly as Homer and the rest of the command trailer 83 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: eagerly attempt to re establish contact by observing Gerald in 84 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: the security feed. The phone ring doesn't even register with 85 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: him as he continues to rock back and forth and 86 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: what I'm sure was an unconscious attempt to self soothe. 87 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: And even though I've been able to watch and rewatch 88 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: this physical manifestation of his grief, It's still hard to 89 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: fathom how unimaginably painful and frankly out of body these 90 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: moments must have been for him. Just keep in mind, 91 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: he's in the same room where he and Niles had 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: just done renovations. I'd be willing to bet that the 93 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: molding they worked on earlier hadn't even completely dried, and 94 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: yet in that short amount of time, so much had 95 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: changed Forever. From the looks of it, Gerald's grief written 96 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: spell could have gone on for a very long time, 97 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: but it was cut short by biology like a spring. 98 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: We see Gerald stand up and dart across the room, 99 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: where he vomits into a paint bucket. Yeah, I mean, 100 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: I clearly remember hearing it throw up. This may sound 101 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: a little elis, but that's when I knew I should 102 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: make a move. Listen to this conversation between Martin and Jason. Hey, hey, Jason, listen, 103 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: all right, you gotta pick that cop. Just listen, just 104 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: just like you did outside, I'm a help car. We 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: gotta hustle to that door, and then we gotta try 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: to make it out of Man, I'm not gonna grab 107 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: some fucking cop. Half did and go out in front 108 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: of both the cops with them shoot guns and just 109 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: went out there with the As for the metic didn't shooting. 110 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: That was before he saw popping shots off again. They 111 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: say the cops don't shoot. Huh, who's this stop Jerey 112 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: from shooting us on the way out? You really thing 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: he shoot you? I mean, aren't you gospoll to see 114 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: boys or some ship? Mar ook? Kay? Man, I think 115 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: I'll probably the best friend. Ye wait, yeah he shoot. Listen. Well, 116 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: Martin and Jay's argued the pros and cons of making 117 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: a quick escape. Gerald, still in the dining room, can 118 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: be seen gathering himself after literally purging his guts out, 119 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: but as he comes up from that bucket, there's something 120 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: about his posture worth noting he seems renewed. Focused. Moments later, 121 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Gerald leaves the selvm post exile in the dining room 122 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: and rejoins everyone else in the kitchen. So he came 123 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: straight at me, and I'm thinking to myself, oh shit, 124 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: like I'm in trouble. Martin recounts, you know, because I 125 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: figured he heard me trying to get Jason to make 126 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: a break forward. Instead, he says, what give me your phone? 127 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: What're you gonna do with you? Got say that? Oh? 128 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: So Gerald takes my phone and he holds it in 129 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: front of the sergeant place, like right in front of 130 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: his face. The cops like no, no, He's like trying 131 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: to turn away, and then Gerald grabs his chin and 132 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: he makes him watch it. And then Gerald walks out, 133 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: and I mean, we had no idea what he was 134 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: playing on. Next, Gerald retreats back to the dining room area, 135 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: where he can be seen fiddling with both his phone 136 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: and Martin's phone when Gerald receives a notification that sets 137 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: in motion a chain of historical events. It was a 138 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: prompt from the increasingly popular social media app polycam. What 139 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: might the message on Gerald's phone have said? I can 140 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: tell you exactly what it said, because it's always the same. 141 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: That's Philibko. The twenty year old chairman, CEO and founder 142 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: of Polycamp. First, it's addressed to the user name, in 143 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: this case Gerald O. G. Then it says, welcome to polycamp. 144 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: Open the app now to post or stream your first video? 145 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: And is there anything special about that notification? Nope, totally ordinary. 146 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: But Gerald was no ordinary user, was he? Uh? He 147 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: was not? And he posted a video? Well yes, technically 148 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: his first video was a live stream, which he then 149 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: archived as a video post. Was there anything special about it? 150 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: His post slash live stream. I don't think we'd be 151 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: having this conversation if it wasn't special. Immediately after completing 152 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: the polycam sign up process, Gerald finally answers the incoming 153 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: call from the hostage negotiation team. Listen to this exchange. Hello, 154 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: go to this link in for a minute. I need 155 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: a pen. Does somebody get me a pen? Okay, I'm 156 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: ready polycam dot com for which slash s f J 157 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: O w J. Did he hang up again? He's off picture? 158 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: So what was your impression when you first saw your 159 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: old post or a link? At first? I wasn't quite 160 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: sure what I was looking at. The police had pushed 161 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: the media back another thirty yards, so to the naked eye. 162 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: It was difficult to even make out what was happening. 163 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: This is the voice of local TV newsfield reporter Colleen Sanders. 164 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: But I knew it had to be something because for 165 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: hours we couldn't see into that bar at all, and 166 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, there was this perfect three 167 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: ft by three ft square of window pane looking right 168 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: inside the building at about stomach II. So I look 169 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: over to my cameraman who was He was playing that 170 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: annoyingly popular phone game at the time. What was it called? 171 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: It begins with a b bow dash. Anyway, He's not 172 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: seeing what I'm seeing at all, So to get his attention, 173 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: I literally threw the cap of my band at him 174 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: and I got him right on the notes. Anyway, he 175 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: looks up and I kind of give him the start 176 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 1: rolling hand motion. And why were you used so incognito 177 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: about it? There were four other stations on site and 178 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: all of them were watching Paint Drive just like me 179 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: and my team. So you wanted to ski? Well? Yeah, 180 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: So anyway, my cameraman zooms in and we see someone 181 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: taping this handwritten sign up in that perfectly shaped three 182 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: foot square space in the window, and then they fold 183 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: the construction paper back behind the sign, which again negates 184 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: our ability to see into the bar. But but what 185 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: there was a message that simply read go here in 186 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: five minutes, and it had the U r L written underneath. 187 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: What did you think of it? I didn't know if 188 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: it was going to be something big or if we 189 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: were going to go back to sitting on our hands 190 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: and blame bow Dash on our phones. But it turned 191 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: out to be what kate off the charts big, like 192 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: once in a lifetime big. I mentioned before the problem 193 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: with this case is that we were constantly on our 194 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: heels and having to play catchup. Commander Ammond's reflects, and 195 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: that's okay, it's our job to play catch up. But 196 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: so many things that transpired were, frankly, things we had 197 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: never trained for, simply because they had never happened. Keep 198 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: in mind, we're still on our heels after hearing gunfire 199 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: from inside the building. Then we get hit with this 200 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: link from the lead h T and who knows where 201 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: that's headed. Plus Hobbs informs me that we now have 202 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: our second reported fatality of the evening, as confirmed by 203 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: the medic. And then I find out that the press 204 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 1: has picked up on the link and is now broadcasting 205 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and all over the news. Sorry, Kate, I have to 206 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: call bullshit on that. We never showed the U r 207 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: L on our station. Come on, I'm legal, wouldn't have 208 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: allowed us to do that even if we wanted to. 209 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: Every time we cut to Gerald handwritten signed the link 210 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: was blurred out. My team and I have checked all 211 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: the broadcast footage coming from Colleen's network. She is correct, 212 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: none of it showed the actual poly chimu are l. 213 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: But there's definitely coverage where the lower third titles say 214 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: in bold letters, kidnapper Gerald Hayes to make announcement on 215 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: social media app. So Commander MS does have a point, 216 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: and that the news media certainly helped amplify exposure of 217 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: Gerald's link. So why do you think so many people 218 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: believe that you and your station are responsible for getting 219 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: Generald's link out there? Look, me and my team we 220 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: broke that story and we are proud of that. And 221 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: because we broke the story, I think a lot of 222 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: people conflate that with us being responsible for Gerald's link 223 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: going viral or trending or whatever. But that wasn't us. 224 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: That was someone else or some online organization, Regardless of 225 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: how you look at it. The reality on the ground 226 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: for law enforcement was that it added attention to the 227 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: links existence, which just raised the temperature on a situation 228 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: that was already white hot. Back in the trailer, Captain 229 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: Flores was adamant and very animated in his opinion that 230 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: we should take the building immediately because he felt the 231 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: ht S were operating more like terrorists than kidnappers. Okay, 232 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: I thought that was a bit extreme, but given Florida's 233 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: military background in Afghanistan, I understood how he could get 234 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: and his thinking. Did you consider sending Swaddon as he suggested? No, 235 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: I still thought that was prettymature, And for once, Homer 236 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: and Patterson were united in their assessment and both insisted 237 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: that we still had options that did not require force. 238 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: You know, negotiators are always going to agree to negotiate. 239 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Detective Patterson gives his take. I generally disagree with homer style, 240 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: but I take his outdated methods of the time over 241 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: the spray and pray approach that Captain Floor as in 242 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: some of his tactical guys were suggesting. But mostly, if 243 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: you want my opinion, I think the debate in the 244 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: trailer at that time was really more about everyone venting nervous, 245 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: pent up energy, you know, and intense, high stakes situations 246 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: like this. The reality is that sometimes you just need 247 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: to wait to see what comes next. And that's exactly 248 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: what we ended up doing. Well, everyone outside the bar 249 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: waited for the link to go live. Gerald was still 250 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: making preparations for his big move. Martin grab one of 251 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: those cheers and willed that cop into the dining room. 252 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: Get that tape off his mouth. What if he starts 253 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: yelling to the concert sidneys? Do we just just no, 254 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm not responsible? All right, come on, let's get you 255 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: into this chair. Well, Martin attends the sergeant place. Gerald, 256 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: already back in the dining room can be seen sort 257 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: of talking to himself. Unfortunately, no matter how many times 258 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: I poured over the footage and the surveillance videos, I 259 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: couldn't hear what Gerald was muttering during these pivotal moments. 260 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: But then I caught a break. Hello, Okay, Yes, needless 261 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: to say, I had jitters leading up to my second 262 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: meeting with Jace. I knew if I lost him this time, 263 00:15:49,560 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to get a third opportunity. I met 264 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: j said his Silver Living residents, I don't know if 265 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: he was choosing to stay closer to a support network 266 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: or if he like I thought a change of venue 267 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: would be a good idea for this go around. We 268 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: sat in this nice little outdoor courtyard where patients could 269 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: take visitors and get some sunshine. But mostly I feel 270 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: like it was just a really big smoking area. There 271 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: were used ash trays on every table, and when Jay's 272 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: asked me if I minded if he smoked, I answered, 273 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: of course not, even though truth be told, if I 274 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: had one pet peeve its cigarette smoke. Needless to say, 275 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to let my idiosyncrasies deter us from 276 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: getting off on the right foot. You spent a lot 277 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: of time out here the smoke, mostly at this vape, 278 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: which I could do in my room. But my blood 279 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: tender friend gave me this flower itself, so you know. 280 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, my bad, my bad, you want this? 281 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm retired, Okay, okay, anyway, we got two big rules 282 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: in the sleeping quarters here, no visitors and no smoking anything. 283 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: Never quiz by. I will say this something about Jason's mood. 284 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: His demeanor was so much more easy going this time, 285 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: and it wasn't just the weed. Even before he started smoking. 286 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: He just seemed to be in a much better headspace. 287 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: So I was super mindful of what I said and 288 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: how I said it as we got to talking. I 289 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: started with small talk before I finally worked my way 290 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: around to asking him about the moments leading up to 291 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Gerald's link going live. But eventually I got there, and 292 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: to his credit, Jason was very open. It was strange. 293 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: You know. At the time, it didn't make much sense 294 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: or I didn't really think much of it, But looking 295 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: back at it now, I think I know what he meant. 296 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: The strange moment he's referring to is when Gerald was 297 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: in the dining room sort of talking to himself, the 298 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: part I couldn't hear in the surveillance video right before 299 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: he had me and Martin we all Sergeant Placey j 300 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: Old was standing in the middle of the dining room, 301 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: and it was almost like he was talking to a ghost. 302 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, this could work, Niles. You built that 303 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: wall too, So I called out to him a couple 304 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: of times to get his attention. When he finally turned 305 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: to me, he had this wide look in his eyes, 306 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: like somebody waking up from a nightmare. I think, you know, 307 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: I haven't just lost Niles. This might sound weird or whatever. No, no, no, no, 308 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: go on. Look, I don't have proof of this, and 309 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: I never asked Je, but I think he felt like 310 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: now spirit was guying him, you know, like he was 311 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: just making himself available to the spirit that was moving him. 312 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, like yeah, yeah, like that. So 313 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: the link goes live, Yes, And what were your initial thoughts? Well, 314 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: for a second there, it wasn't readily apparent to me 315 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: what I was looking at, because when the live stream 316 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: first started, there was this weird layer right in the 317 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: middle of the video, and it made it difficult to 318 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: get a grasp on what all I was seeing. This 319 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: is the voice of Colleen Sanders, again recapping her experience 320 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: watching Gerald's feed as it went live. The confusion she's 321 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: referring to is that Gerald started the live feed filming 322 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: footage of Sergeant Place and Officer Web beating Niles. But 323 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: he adjusted the shot pretty quickly and then you could 324 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: see and it was like, oh, oh, you knew exactly 325 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: what this was, and I, oh, it's just so violent myself. Unfortunately, 326 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: we've seen so many variations of this type of thing, 327 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: from from the police shootings to the no knock warrants 328 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: to the rough rides, and of course the choke holds, 329 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: but this one was striking because of the sheer brutality 330 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: of it all. And I don't know, I mean, oh, 331 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: it's disgusting even hearing myself compare the awfulness of all 332 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: these horrible occurrences. But but the way they attacked Niles, 333 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: it literally made me sick. It was just barbaric. It 334 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: was inhuman and an insult to injury. I knew right 335 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: then that my reporting up until that point was wrong. 336 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: So obviously we had no idea what was going to 337 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: be on the link Commander Ammon's recounts. And as I'm 338 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: watching the video, initially, I'm thinking to myself, this is 339 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: a bad look for the officers involved, the department as 340 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: a whole, and it directly undermined a lot of the 341 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: positive messaging that we've been trying to put out since 342 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Rodney King. Right, I'm also thinking this is familiar territory. 343 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: We've done with this type of controversy before. So from 344 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: a management perspective, as I'm looking at part one of 345 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: the live stream, my assessment was we can handle this, 346 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: and what about part two of the video. We were 347 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: totally unprepared for that. After the live links showed footage 348 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: of the incident, Gerald flips the camera into sealthy mode 349 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: and we moved from familiar ground to totally uncharted territory. 350 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: Gerald's face fills the screen as he delivers the following message, Hello, 351 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: my name is Gerald Hayes. Earlier today, my son Nows 352 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: was being severity by two members of the police department. 353 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: During the attack. I came to my son's a hate 354 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: as you would expect to hope any fall that would 355 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: do to protect his child. The video to Jock, I 356 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: saw that's the real version of what happened. There was 357 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: a new car jacking or anything illegal about what Niles 358 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: was doing when he got pulled over. Those reports is false. 359 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: He was dropping my friend's car, Chase Shure, and he 360 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: had Chase's permission to do so. So these low stations 361 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: out there, please stop with the lies. With the video 362 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: you just watched. Does not show is that my son Niles, 363 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: he just died about an hour ago from the injuries 364 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: that he took in the police attack. Now, it was 365 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: a good kid. He was sweet, he's kind, he's thoughtful, 366 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: he's crazy smart, and he had a real future ahead 367 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: of him, and he did not deserve to go out 368 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: like this. So I'm I'm thinking to myself, how many 369 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: times have we seen this shall and then there's no 370 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: trial or no confiction, no justice. And then if by 371 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: some miracle we do get some accountability, it still ain't 372 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: gonna be enough to bring my boy back. It ain't 373 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: gonna stop the next clown, motherfucking Costing doing the same 374 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: fum a ship all over and over again. So now 375 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna let this ship keep happening. We we 376 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: gotta do something different, and I need y'all help. So 377 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna hold trial right here, right now. Gerald turns 378 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: the camera into landscape you, and now we see Sergeant 379 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: Place in the frame as well. The two of them 380 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: are seated on the same stage Gerald was building earlier 381 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: in the day. Sergeant Place, how do you plead in 382 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: the murder of nowadays? What you can't do this? This 383 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: isn't right when you're killing my son wasn't right. How 384 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: do you please? I'm not I'm not doing this man. 385 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm giving you a chance, which is more than you 386 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: gave my boy. So if you don't want to take it, 387 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: then find the video evidence will speak for you and 388 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: your punk as partner. What you're saying, I mean innocent? 389 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: Then who's responsible for my son's death? Was it your 390 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: partner that you shot and killed? Oh no, I see, no, 391 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: you go You're gonna lay all the blame on him. 392 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: So okay, so you're gonna own up to what you did. 393 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: You are what you are, You are responsible? I am. 394 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: Do you need to see the video again because it's 395 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: playing this day that you and your partner's vicious, unwarted 396 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: and unlawful attack on Now is what times when you're 397 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: doing a suspect and their resisting arrest, police officers are 398 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: required to use force, sometimes a lot of force to 399 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: gain compliance. Your son was belligerent, he was combative, and 400 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: he was resisting. So when his hands were on the 401 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: steering wheel and you were punching him in the face, 402 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: he was resisting. Then yes, What about when your partner 403 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: smashed through the window and dragged them out into the 404 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: street like the dog? He was resisting there too, I 405 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: guess yes. I got the funk out of here with this. 406 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: Birected the suspect to get out of the car multiple times, 407 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: and he refused. He refused, So me and my partner 408 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: lawfully moved in to make him complain. You pulled in 409 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: and then you beat him to That's not what killed him, 410 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: So don't believe a lie in ays that that should defict. 411 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: What killed him was your refusal to get him care 412 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: after you unlawfully assaulted not one but two police officers 413 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: and seized control of the scene. And because you put 414 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: right now as well being, you were responsible. I asked 415 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: for goddamn police over an hour to send a fucking doctor, 416 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: and they dragged their feet. Maybe, but all you had 417 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: to do was opened that door and surrender, and your 418 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: son would have been on his way to the hospital. Bullshit. 419 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna let another cop mer now until I 420 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: saw that he got the help that he needed. How 421 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: many times have we saw when you got to fund 422 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: somebody up, beat him up, taste them up, shoot him up, 423 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: and you do nothing that they deaf but they laugh 424 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: brow You think I was gonna let that ship happen, Well, 425 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: that's the call you made, but obviously it was the 426 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: wrong one and now you have to live with that. 427 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: But if I were in your shoes, I would have 428 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: laid down my arms so my son could have got 429 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: the help he needs. Man, you really trying to put 430 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: their ship on me. I don't know what's wrong with 431 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: you people. Let me ask you a question. You're a 432 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: gang banger, right, convicted felon? How many times you gonna 433 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: you ain't got nothing to do with this? Doesn't it? 434 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: How many times your in probation? Now you think I 435 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: don't know what each and every one of those gang 436 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: tats on your arms means. Let's face it, Gerald, there's 437 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: no way that you're not the bad guy here. Just 438 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: be honest for the people out there. Tell him about yourself, 439 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: tell them who you really are. You're not just some 440 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: innocent father that caught a bad break, are you? O? 441 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: Relea Souls? Despite what the people seen in that video, 442 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: what I've seen with my own two eyes, your defenses 443 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: that Now's death had nothing to do with your inhumane prejudice, 444 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: assault on his rights and on his body. Now's with 445 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: for an errand man to pick up basketball tickets and 446 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: he ended up dead. Treybond Martin went to a fucking 447 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: liquor store for some fucking skittles and ended up dead. 448 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: How can you defend that? I can't speak to that 449 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: other situation all I'm saying is if you had not 450 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: started the shooting, I started shooting? Yes, yes, will You 451 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: assaulted two police officers carrying out their duties. What you 452 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: broke the law? The reason we pulled your son over 453 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: in the first place was because he was driving erratically. 454 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: He broke the law. You and him both set off 455 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: a chain reaction of unlawful events that resulted in gunfire. 456 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: If it wasn't for you, no one would be dead 457 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: right now, are you talking to? My partner would still 458 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: be alive, and after the suspect was apprehended, we would 459 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: have put him in custody and gotten in the medical 460 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: care that he needs. Once you intervened, everything went to ship. 461 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: Your mistakes, your unlawful behavior was fatal. Had I not intervened. 462 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: How many more blows would my son have had to 463 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: take before you were done? Quote unquote subduing him huh? 464 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: Knocking his teeth thought wasn't enough? Breaking his neck wasn't enough. 465 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: How many times did you and your partner strike? Now? 466 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: Oh you don't know that either, do you? And then 467 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: then you say that I started this ship when you 468 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: struck my son first, You took the first shot and 469 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: the second shot it's in the video, man, it's in 470 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: the video. Officer of the law. I have the right 471 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: to protect myself and so did my partner. And once 472 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: you started beating my son, I had the god given 473 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: right as a father to protect them. Your motherfucker's declare 474 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: war on our sons, our daughters, are brothers, are sisters, 475 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: our mother us, our fathers, our fathers before fathers. And 476 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: the only justification for your actions is that to the police, 477 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: well fuck that. This should ain't gonna fly no more. 478 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm fed up, we all fed up. As a father, 479 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: as a father, you made a dangerous situation even more 480 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: dangerous because of that. You are to blame. You've convinced 481 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: yourself that you are the victim here. You're not. You're 482 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: trying to get sympathy from other people. The truth is 483 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: you don't deserve it. You are nothing more than a 484 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: common thug. And I think the people out there should 485 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: know exactly what type of thug is puppeteering this puppeteering 486 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: this force. Because you've been in control of the situation 487 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: the entire time. On your watch, a compass died. Your 488 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: son has died. I'll probably plead to death myself while 489 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: you singulartedly try and kill our criminal. Justice was killing 490 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: you because if you as because of your refusal to surrender, 491 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: did you let your shore he die on that boy 492 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: for you like you're fucking as you're fucking liar. In 493 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: the video, we see Gerald strike Sergeant Place in the face, 494 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: so handcuffed, the cop loses his balance and falls out 495 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: of his chair. Joe flips the phone back in the 496 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: selfie mode, his face filling the screen. The time is 497 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 1: seven pm. Voting stars now and ends midnight. Vote up 498 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: for innocent, vote down for guilty. If the people say 499 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: he innocent, I'll let Sergeant Place walk. You declare him guilty, 500 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him. We go live again at eleven pm. 501 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: Thirty minute before voting closes, The world responds to Gerald's 502 00:30:46,520 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: trial Next Time I Got Him hashtag matter, starring Amen 503 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: Joseph as Gerald Hayes, Jennifer Christopher as Kate Bell, Steve 504 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: Harris as Jason Shaw Hayley, Joel Osmond as Sergeant Place, 505 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: Pooch Hall as Martin Simms, and Snoop Dogg as Big H. 506 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: Additional performances by Nile Bullock as Nile's Hayes Serena Pouncey 507 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: as Michelle Hayes, Monte Russell as Detective Patterson, and Alex 508 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Vaughan as Darrell Hanover. Hashtag Matter was written and directed 509 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: by Dylan C. Brown. Our executive producers are Sandy Bailey, 510 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: Lauren Holman, Dylan Brown, Winnie Kemp, and Aymon Joseph. Audio 511 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: designed by Wolf at the Door, Sound design and mix 512 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: by Josh Falcon, music by Jonathan Sandford, edited by Darren Bowling, 513 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: and our sound director is Alexander Kemp. Produced by Toby 514 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: Lawless and Lucy Jones. Casting by Lawless Casting. 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