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Speaker 1: They range from angry to openly nihilists. They can't go

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Speaker 2: This is Gavin Newsom and this is brendan Ewan aka

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Speaker 2: a Trio. All right, brendan Ewan, Hey, welcome brother. It's

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Speaker 2: good to be with you. Aka Atrioch, your online name,

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Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a minute. And for folks

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Speaker 2: that don't know you, millions of people do because they

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Speaker 2: watch you religiously, your rock star on YouTube, content creator,

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Speaker 2: a Twitch live streamer, speed runner. We'll talk about what

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Speaker 2: the heck that means if people are wondering what am

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Speaker 2: I talking about? But also really focused on building community

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Speaker 2: around marketing, around business, and that's what your background represented,

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Speaker 2: working Twitch, working in Nvidia. We can talk about AI chips,

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Speaker 2: but I really wanted you on because it was so

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Speaker 2: much focus on what happened a few weeks ago. Charlie

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Speaker 2: the gaming questions and issues that came up, some of

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Speaker 2: issues of boys and men. Everything about this and kept

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Speaker 3: So I'm great hoping to all come back to me.

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Speaker 2: I all came back to you as a guy that

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Speaker 1: We know we talked about this before this, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to First of all, I want to say you

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Speaker 1: I think they'll like me. People that don't know me

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Speaker 1: when they hear concent creator or YouTube or twitch hamer,

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Speaker 3: Of someone who has that as their job, and I

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Speaker 1: So I want to try and get across why people

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Speaker 3: I get it, it's not. Yeah no, but I should.

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Speaker 2: But people, I mean, it explains more things in more

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Speaker 1: I think it's a lot even higher, right, Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start with that, you know, And I

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Speaker 2: But no, and by the way, full stipulate, could not

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Speaker 2: Grow And tell me what time were people started? Really?

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Speaker 1: I never had any interest in doing content myself. I

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Speaker 2: And you got on camera and you started doing what

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Speaker 1: People feel like everyone's out to sell them something, everyone's

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Speaker 1: a good time, and it's just becoming where the culture

437
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Speaker 1: that is where I think there is such a line

438
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Speaker 1: if you grow with it or you didn't, And I

439
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Speaker 1: think that is what allows me to talk about other

440
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Speaker 1: things with the lingo and the references that they use,

441
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Speaker 1: because it's just something they're native to perc But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think people will will come around to it. You know,

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Speaker 1: here's an example.

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Speaker 2: For esports.

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Speaker 1: All of the biggest ways to watch it are not

446
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Speaker 1: you know how you watch the NFL through the NFL's

447
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Speaker 1: official broadcast right or a pirated version if you're young,

448
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Speaker 1: but you're watching the official commentators. For esports, it doesn't

449
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Speaker 1: happen that way. They make an official broadcast and then

450
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Speaker 1: a million people will restream it in on their own

451
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Speaker 1: commentary and those guys get way more viewers in the

452
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Speaker 1: official broadcast. And we're starting to see that happen with sports,

453
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Speaker 1: where they'll have like the manning cast for the NFL.

454
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Speaker 1: A lot of rights issues are in the way, but

455
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Speaker 1: eventually they're going to crack the code because the average

456
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Speaker 1: person wants to see this stuff filtered through someone they

457
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Speaker 1: trust and understand and it's speaking to them like a

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Speaker 1: regular person.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's gonna happen in sports. It's gonna happen all

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Speaker 3: over that.

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Speaker 1: The democratization of all this stuff is happening, and it

462
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Speaker 1: is reaching sports now, and it's gonna it's gonna happen

463
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Speaker 1: to things you understand as well. But yeah, it's weird

464
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Speaker 1: seeing it live.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Gaming has been on the cutting edge of this because

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Speaker 1: I again back to briersal point, it's just where people

468
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Speaker 1: are finding friends and connections where they can find it, right,

469
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Speaker 1: it's sealing a void that they need filled.

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Speaker 2: So this is so let's go back to that and

471
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Speaker 2: we'll go back to your reference sort of this these

472
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Speaker 2: moments that sort of mark the accelerant and obviously COVID

473
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Speaker 2: was just off the charts in terms of just people

474
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Speaker 2: trying to connect, feeling totally isolated, disconnected, and they can

475
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Speaker 2: find those relationships online, they can find those groups of interest,

476
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Speaker 2: they can they can literally develop friendships and relationships online

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Speaker 2: that the otherwise wouldn't have had necessarily the opportunity, particularly

478
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Speaker 2: during COVID. Yeah, talk to me about you know those years.

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Speaker 2: You talk about twenty twenty one representing sort of a

480
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Speaker 2: peak of consciousness, But what what what do you see

481
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Speaker 2: start to really takes shape during those COVID years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so after twenty twenty, there's a lot of

483
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Speaker 1: new money, both from Trump and Biden flowing around the economy.

484
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Speaker 1: They both did a lot of stimulus and printing, and

485
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Speaker 1: that went into tech startups and that went into esports,

486
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Speaker 1: and that went into Twitch, and that went into all

487
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Speaker 1: this stuff, and there was a lot of it floating around.

488
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Speaker 1: There was you know, I remember there was the game

489
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Speaker 1: stop stock craze and everyone wanted to find someone to

490
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Speaker 1: watch on that, and that was These things became cultural

491
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Speaker 1: flashpoints that were taking place entirely online. And then after

492
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we started to get inflation, a lot

493
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Speaker 1: of inflation that made doing things that weren't online more

494
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Speaker 1: expensive and more difficult. That's combined with COVID, and so

495
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Speaker 1: these things I think combined to push people more into

496
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Speaker 1: online spaces than perhaps natural law would dictate.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is what happened, and so it's good

498
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Speaker 3: and bad.

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Speaker 1: You know, as a content creator, COVID was exposure to

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Speaker 1: an entirely new audience. It grew big, but it's not

501
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was a good thing for overall,

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Speaker 1: you know, That's not how i'd frame it.

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Speaker 2: And what in what way is it not? I mean

504
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Speaker 2: the unhealthy aspects of what you try to get offline

505
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Speaker 2: so you can get back into a line and reconnect

506
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Speaker 2: with people back in the real world. I mean, in

507
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Speaker 2: what way was it? Was it?

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I think people people want to

509
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Speaker 1: do that naturally, they just can't. They just it is

510
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Speaker 1: just more difficult.

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Speaker 3: You know.

512
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to get to it now,

513
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Speaker 1: but I do want to start talking about gen z men. Yeah,

514
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Speaker 1: and uh, the issue I'm seeing not all of them

515
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Speaker 1: are like it's a broad diverse group, of course, and

516
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Speaker 1: it's a huge point of my audience.

517
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Speaker 2: And I'm hearing them.

518
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing their their thoughts a lot. They range from

519
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Speaker 1: angry to openly nihilistic. And the nihilism is what's coming

520
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Speaker 1: is what I sense growing a little bit where they're disillusioned,

521
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Speaker 1: you know, I think around twenty two three four. You

522
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Speaker 1: probably saw this on the political side. They drifted more

523
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Speaker 1: servative because they thought that would be the solution. And

524
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Speaker 1: as Donald Trump is proven to be not the answer,

525
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Speaker 1: it's any of their problems and in fact making a

526
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Speaker 1: lot of them worse, making the inflation worse, making the

527
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Speaker 1: economy worse, making then they are now just drifting into

528
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Speaker 1: open nihilism.

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Speaker 3: And that is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not to blame that on the the methods

531
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Speaker 1: they're using to try and not be that is crazy.

532
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Speaker 3: That's not the issue. It's not the discord, it's not

533
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Speaker 3: the yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, No, no, I appreciate that, and it's you know,

535
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Speaker 2: but it does beg sort of the larger consciousness that

536
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Speaker 2: came out of the Trump campaign. As it relates to

537
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Speaker 2: your right. He obviously dominated, particularly with young men, but

538
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Speaker 2: did outperformed in ways that I think surprised a lot

539
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Speaker 2: of folks. Yeah, and invested a lot of time and

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Speaker 2: energy into spaces where a lot of young men were

541
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Speaker 2: and where a lot of young men are. We talk

542
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Speaker 2: about podcasts, we talk about this sort of manosphere broadly defined,

543
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Speaker 2: which is something that needs to be unpacked. But he

544
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Speaker 2: did invest that time and energy to meet people quote

545
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Speaker 2: unquote where they are, and we didn't see that commencarate

546
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Speaker 2: investment from the Democratic Party. Certainly don't see it from

547
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Speaker 2: Biden or Harris.

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Speaker 1: We're not really seeing it now outside. I think I

549
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Speaker 1: appreciate what you're doing here, and I like this podcast

550
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Speaker 1: is a good step. But you know, I saw a

551
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Speaker 1: piece from Esra Kline the other day where he he

552
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Speaker 1: talked about how it seems like and again I'm gonna

553
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Speaker 1: be candid here, it seems like the DNC as a

554
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Speaker 1: whole is trying to run a very similar playbook that

555
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: didn't work and is wondering why they're not getting different results.

556
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Speaker 1: It is shocking to me that with as bad as

557
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Speaker 1: Trump is doing, and it really is. Again, I I

558
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Speaker 1: if I want to be your gen z whisper versecond again,

559
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Speaker 1: I'm money. I'm thirty four.

560
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Speaker 3: They're gonna call me old.

561
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Speaker 1: My hairlines bad, you call me old bald.

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Speaker 3: They are.

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Speaker 1: They are turning on Donald Trump in a way that

564
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Speaker 1: will come a parent pretty soon.

565
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Speaker 3: But they're not turning towards the Democratic Party.

566
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Speaker 2: Difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're equal. He is upset with them, which is

568
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Speaker 1: what I think the problem is. And it's kind of

569
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Speaker 1: crazy that it's not being capitalized no more. And I

570
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Speaker 1: will give you credit. I think what you have been

571
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Speaker 1: doing is kind of breaking through the noise. It's showing

572
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Speaker 1: a little bit of I don't know, a spine of

573
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Speaker 1: like a willingness to stand up to what he's doing.

574
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Speaker 3: But you know, if I can be honest, all right,

575
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Speaker 3: here's what I'll say.

576
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Speaker 1: And you have an announcity thing and this is not

577
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Speaker 1: But there's a theoretical world where you're going to run

578
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Speaker 1: for president.

579
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say, you don't say anything. I'm okay.

580
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Speaker 1: A virtual world, yeah, virtual world. Hey, the betting markets

581
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Speaker 1: have you leading. Okay, there's a theoretical world. And uh,

582
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Speaker 1: if if I can get somebody who's not militarizing the

583
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Speaker 1: National Guard and somebody's not shutting down TV shows that

584
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Speaker 1: disagree with them, and somebody's not threatening free and fair elections.

585
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Speaker 2: That's a huge win already.

586
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Speaker 3: It's a low bar to clear.

587
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Speaker 2: It's an easy clear.

588
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Speaker 1: But you know, realistically from the audience that I'm talking about,

589
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Speaker 1: because again I think I got, like again the last

590
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Speaker 1: chap brought and now I'm feeling fine. They they they

591
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Speaker 1: can't go back to the status quo. Yeah, and they

592
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: just can't. They will, they will, They will continue to

593
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Speaker 1: grow more upset and populist and nihilistic unless things seriously change,

594
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Speaker 1: like they have to change on a more fundamental level.

595
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Speaker 2: Look, so let's start to unpack this because I mean,

596
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Speaker 2: I love the clarity as you painted this picture. I

597
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Speaker 2: mean it's you know, it's pretty pretty black and white

598
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Speaker 2: terms as you painted. I mean, just like this notion

599
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Speaker 2: of nihilism. Yeah, of just like not giving a shit

600
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Speaker 2: about anything in.

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Speaker 3: Blood exact damn.

602
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

603
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Speaker 1: And the most extreme example would be someone like Tyler

604
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Speaker 1: Robbins if you look at you know, his and I

605
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Speaker 1: got I'm not not my psycle analyst, not an expert,

606
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: but there seems to be a nihilism to these kind

607
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Speaker 1: of actions and from young people in general that is

608
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Speaker 1: rising where it just feels like if I can't get

609
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Speaker 1: a house, if you're young men, I can't get a partner,

610
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Speaker 1: I can't find a way to be up to feel

611
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Speaker 1: roots in the society that I'm in, then I'm going

612
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Speaker 1: to drift out of it. I'm going to disengage. And

613
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Speaker 1: they would find any tool to do it. In fact,

614
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Speaker 1: I would say that one of the healthiest things they

615
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: can do is gaming and discord because that's with other

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Speaker 1: people they are finding friends. The discord chefs that I'm

617
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Speaker 1: in are not making me or radicalized. I'm connecting with

618
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Speaker 1: people all over the world. It's great.

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Speaker 3: In fact.

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Speaker 1: You know, here's an example. I don't know if you've

621
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Speaker 1: heard about what happened in Nepaul recently. Can I of

622
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: course with Instagram? Yeah, yeah, So Nepal, their gen z

623
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Speaker 1: youth was deeply upset about rising youth unemployment, rising poverty,

624
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Speaker 1: and they were posting about on social media and they

625
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Speaker 1: were getting angry. Then the government tried to ban social media,

626
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Speaker 1: and that's when they took the streets. That's when they're

627
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Speaker 1: going that's when they're they're rioting, that's when they're going crazy, because.

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Speaker 3: These are the last outlets people have.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to give that perspective here, is

630
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Speaker 1: that if Congress is going to haul discord and Twitch

631
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Speaker 1: and read it up there and think that restricting them

632
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Speaker 1: or banning them is going to solve this problem, it

633
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Speaker 1: is not.

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Speaker 3: I it'd be so clear it is not. It's going

635
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Speaker 3: to make it more virulent.

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Speaker 2: No. Look, I think what you're saying is profoundly important

637
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to go back, but I want

638
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Speaker 2: to paint this picture because I want to land from

639
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: exactly where you're going, because I think what you're saying

640
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: is is it needs to be said, because there were

641
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: these trend lines that pre date all of this for

642
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: decades and decades, and we have the first generation, this

643
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: gen Z is that literally is posed to do much

644
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: worse than their parents' generation. This is the first generation

645
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: in our lifetime, my lifetime certainly, but literally in American

646
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: history where that would be the case. And so this

647
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: is code read and it's led to suicides, it led

648
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: to dropouts, it's led to all kinds of related issues,

649
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: and it's there's guys are screaming, disproportioning men in some respects,

650
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Speaker 2: and no one's paying any damn attention. And now we're

651
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: looking at things and I love what you're saying. We're

652
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: looking at the platforms and not the underline damn issues. No.

653
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Speaker 2: But yeah, but I want to get in. I want

654
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Speaker 2: you to hold those stats because I think they're incredibly important.

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Speaker 2: But I want to go back just so again just

656
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Speaker 2: because so many people want to understand and these are

657
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Speaker 2: not root causes, but they're component parts of this larger

658
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Speaker 2: conversation we talk about the Mano sphere. What does that

659
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Speaker 2: mean to you? I mean, what is it? You know?

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Speaker 1: This is the investment that I think Trump and the

661
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Speaker 1: Republicans made into spaces that are not even inherently political.

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Speaker 1: They are spaces where people are talking about wrestling or

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Speaker 1: or or UFC or video games or just finding connection,

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Speaker 1: often with other men, and just trying to understand similar

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Speaker 1: experiences in the world. And they invested in those spaces

666
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Speaker 1: and then hey, on the side, you like this. Also

667
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Speaker 1: on the side, you know, let's stop the woke mind virus.

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Speaker 1: So you know what it would be something like that.

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Speaker 1: It would be you know, Kamairis is not going to

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Speaker 1: help you out, that's the idea. And they would mix

671
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Speaker 1: that in with things people already like, and it became very.

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Speaker 3: Easy to slide in. And it's what's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that hard for the Democrats to

674
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Speaker 1: join these spaces. Most people like watching sports, most people

675
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Speaker 1: like it's not rocket science. And I think, again, I

676
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Speaker 1: can't overstate how it feels like a ball somewhere is

677
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Speaker 1: being dropped when you can't speak even semi authentically to

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Speaker 1: people that are not they're not from a different world.

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Speaker 1: They're not that crazy. That's a problem that I would

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Speaker 1: point out, and I think they.

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Speaker 3: Did a good job with it.

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Speaker 1: But I will also say this, Listen, We're gonna fight

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Speaker 1: in this country about social issues left and right forever,

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Speaker 1: it seems. And I really noticed that in the wake

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Speaker 1: of this Charlie Kirkt thing, where it's just an endless

686
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Speaker 1: amount of noise from every direction.

687
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Speaker 3: You are inundated with it. On social media.

688
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Speaker 1: Every take goes viral in every direction, and nobody is

689
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Speaker 1: making any progress, and no one's making any forward motion.

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Speaker 1: But what I'll say is the main thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing and feeling was a deep, a deep resentment around

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Speaker 1: costs and inflation and housing. And I truly think whichever

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Speaker 1: side can solve those problems will dictate, not dictate, but

694
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Speaker 1: we'll take the lead. On social issues. People will go

695
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Speaker 1: whatever is going to offer them solutions on that. And

696
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Speaker 1: because Trump has not done that like you promised, there's

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Speaker 1: there's already a reverse boomerang starting. Okay, it's going to

698
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Speaker 1: go the other way. Regardless of whether or not anyone

699
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Speaker 1: reaches out the podcast, there will be a reverse boomerang.

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Speaker 1: But if it goes this way and that isn't solved again,

701
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Speaker 1: it'll be an even stronger That is how it's going

702
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Speaker 1: to play out. I'm certain of it. So yeah, so

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, unpacking this a little bit.

705
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Speaker 2: It's it's not just about politics. I mean, you talk

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Speaker 2: about nihilism more broadly, define you. I mean this should

707
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Speaker 2: just you know, despair.

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Speaker 1: It's economics, it's economically and so you know, one thing

709
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Speaker 1: as a goal of mine on this podcast is to

710
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Speaker 1: try and get you, not because I understand you have

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Speaker 1: to win and not win, Okay, I'm just saying if

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Speaker 1: you have, you have to gain support. You're a politician,

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Speaker 1: you have to represent more than just some individual base.

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Speaker 1: And I think what you're doing talking to people politically

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Speaker 1: different than you is is a big step and that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's cool to gain.

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Speaker 2: Voters and gain understood more understanding. Yeah, he'll be like

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Speaker 2: gain understanding. I mean, Charlie Kirk on this shows. But

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Speaker 2: when we launched this podcast is the first and I

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Speaker 2: mean and I got the people were pissed.

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Speaker 1: I And you know what's funny is is uh I

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Speaker 1: respected more for that I got. I tried to do

723
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Speaker 1: some research and watch some of these Some of the

724
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Speaker 1: comments are are brutal on you, and you get it anyway,

725
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Speaker 1: and I respect you to keep doing it, but so

726
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Speaker 1: I'm not here to like push you in a direction

727
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Speaker 1: that is going to make it harder to get a

728
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Speaker 1: broader base. I think politics for try to represent people

729
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Speaker 1: that aren't directly align with them. What I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: get you to understand is like, uh, I think I

731
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Speaker 1: want to push you a little bit more economically on

732
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Speaker 1: you know, in this country, from like the forties to

733
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Speaker 1: the eighties, we had an extremely low Genie coefficient of inequality.

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Speaker 1: It was it was low and flat for years, a

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Speaker 1: strong rising middle class, and people broadly feeling.

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Speaker 3: We were proud of their country.

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Speaker 1: They were it wasn't like Marxism, it wasn't you know,

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Speaker 1: it was a capitalist country and businesses could thrive, but

739
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Speaker 1: people felt like they had a real chance. And since

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Speaker 1: we've allowed this increased consolidation, since we've continually used government

741
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Speaker 1: funds to prop up the stocks and housing of elderly

742
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Speaker 1: boomers that own it all it is, it has.

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Speaker 3: Become more it's a ladder that is fewer and fewer

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Speaker 3: rungs to get on YEP.

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Speaker 1: And so if there isn't substantive change on that front,

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Speaker 1: nothing else matters. It's what I'm saying. I really believe

747
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Speaker 1: that nothing else matters. It doesn't, it won't break through.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that. You know, these boomers vote too.

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Speaker 1: I again, people give you a lot of crap for

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Speaker 1: California housing. It's a tough problem. The more I look

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Speaker 1: into it, it's I used to be someone who just

752
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: threw around blame really easily, and now I read more

753
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Speaker 1: it's me depressed because it's like it's an impossible, complex problem.

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Speaker 1: People that have the housing, they put their life savings

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Speaker 1: into it. That's the retirement.

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Speaker 3: If you try to bring housing prices down, well, then

757
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Speaker 3: now that person's mad. I get it. But if it

758
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Speaker 3: doesn't change.

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Speaker 2: We're screwed.

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Speaker 3: There's no getting around.

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Speaker 1: This is an angry, nihilistic generation that once changed back.

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Speaker 2: No and what was the quote unquote California housing crisis

763
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Speaker 2: going back decades in decades, supply demand, imbalance, nimbiism, A

764
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Speaker 2: lot of issues around localism. Now it's one. Now it's

765
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Speaker 2: across the board, all across the United States. People are

766
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Speaker 2: feeling those pressures. And that's why I think you brought

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Speaker 2: up as a client a moment ago. We had them

768
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Speaker 2: on the podcast too, the whole abundance agenda and focusing

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Speaker 2: on away from process paralysis and law fare and all

770
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Speaker 2: of the nimbiasm to a ymb yes in my backyard,

771
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Speaker 2: not know in my backyard mindset, in order to break

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Speaker 2: through that and to start to address that supply demand

773
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Speaker 2: in balance to lower costs to ultimately provide more act

774
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Speaker 2: points of opportunity. So I think you're one hundred percent right,

775
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: and I think it's only reinforced the broader analysis by

776
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Speaker 2: the fact there's a lot of Trump supporters that otherwise

777
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Speaker 2: would be Burning supporters or well, absolutely well, or vice versa.

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Speaker 2: So this is the sort of notion of populism, and

779
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Speaker 2: not in the pejorative sense, but true representative sense recognizing

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Speaker 2: what's missing and giving voice to that. Now, the question

781
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Speaker 2: is the prescriptions that Trump's offering, as you suggest, I

782
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Speaker 2: couldn't agree with you more, are sort of proven to

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Speaker 2: do precisely the opposite. I mean, the largest tax increase

784
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Speaker 2: on middle class and working folks, I eat tariffs, inflation

785
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: that's now starting to go back up, and fed policy

786
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Speaker 2: that is actually not accelerating in terms of decline and

787
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Speaker 2: interest rates. But because of those uncertainties, particularly as relates

788
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: to pressure of inflation, now is not necessarily moving as

789
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Speaker 2: quickly to lower borrowing costs as we are an otherwise hope.

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Speaker 2: So I totally agree with that. So let's talk just

791
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Speaker 2: about that. I mean, Scott Galloway.

792
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Speaker 3: Took his class.

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Speaker 1: When I was at Nvidio, I was in Scott's class,

794
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Speaker 1: and he's one of the people. The way he spoke,

795
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Speaker 1: not even the content of what he said, the way

796
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Speaker 1: he presented. I was like, that is that is something

797
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Speaker 1: I can learn from, and I took to that. So

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Speaker 1: when I was starting to dream.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know Scott, for those that don't know,

800
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Speaker 2: we also have out on the pod as well. He's

801
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he really speaks to the gen Z generation.

802
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: He speaks in generational terms as theft. You look at

803
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: this big, beautiful bill and all this massive tax cuts

804
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: that are burdening the generation that is increasingly already feeling

805
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: like no one gives a damn about them. Yeah, so

806
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: it just reinforces I think the caught arms that you're

807
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: suggesting here in terms of consciousness, that is, as it

808
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Speaker 2: relates to the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, you know, I think these these trends

810
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Speaker 1: were in a bad direction before Trump, but he has

811
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Speaker 1: done absolutely nothing to help. I mean, the bigot of

812
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: bill is a disaster. It is a massive, multi trillion

813
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Speaker 1: dollar credit cards wipe that we younger people are gonna

814
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Speaker 1: have to pay.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know it.

816
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Speaker 2: It's it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting getting rid of Social Security anything, but

818
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Speaker 1: it is. It is frustrating as a young working person

819
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Speaker 1: that the biggest line item on the government budget is

820
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Speaker 1: checks to older people, many of whom have houses in

821
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Speaker 1: have a paycheck to it for. You know, it is

822
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Speaker 1: just I think we are not seeing enough go to

823
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Speaker 1: people that are trying to get started in this in

824
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Speaker 1: the country and and get on the ladder.

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Speaker 2: And do you see it from I mean, and so

826
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Speaker 2: there's tax policy that's obviously profound and outsize. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting when Steve Bannon on as well, and you know,

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Speaker 2: he was arguing for progressive tax policy. I said it

829
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Speaker 2: certain point, I said, Steve, you sound like you're governor

830
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Speaker 2: of California arguing for California's progressive e've ban in tax pay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he argues for Lena Kahn as well. It's a

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Speaker 3: shocker to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge Lena Khon fan, and I want to

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Speaker 1: I wanted to push that with you as well. Listen,

835
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Speaker 1: those years I'm talking about those low uh inequality years

836
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Speaker 1: in America again probably golden years of America. Maybe social

837
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Speaker 1: policy we could improve, but that's the golden years of Economically.

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Speaker 3: The key things of that era. We had strong unions.

839
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Speaker 2: We had a.

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Speaker 1: Progressive tax policy that had high tax rates on the

841
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Speaker 1: on the on the witeous people.

842
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Speaker 2: We had.

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Speaker 1: An anti trust enforcement that stopped constant consolidation. Again, this

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel thing. People aren't talking enough about how it's

845
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Speaker 1: so clearly Next Star trying to merge with Tegna to

846
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Speaker 1: get an inordinate amount of affiliates in this country. And

847
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Speaker 1: they are just saying whatever Trump wants to hear so

848
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Speaker 1: that they can get this bill, this bill sign.

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Speaker 3: It's uh.

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Speaker 1: It all comes back to economics, is what I'm trying

851
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Speaker 1: to really get across. And and it's a it's a

852
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: core part of my content is we can we can

853
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: fight forever on social issues and we always will. And

854
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: and in the social media area, I just realized how

855
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: useless it is because algorithms will give you the opinion

856
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: you want and the one you hate, and they'll make

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00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: that one look stupid, and they'll give you the comments

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00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: that support you.

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Speaker 3: And it's just no point in argue. I'm tired of it.

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Speaker 1: Most people are tired of it, and so I just

861
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: think we have to just we had a really rain

862
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Speaker 1: like focusing on the economics, because that's where we're gonna

863
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: make a difference. People can feel that change. They can

864
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Speaker 1: feel rents are going down in La. I've noticed it.

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Speaker 1: I saw, I saw stept. People do feel it. It

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Speaker 1: takes a while. They probably don't give everybody credit. They're

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Speaker 1: not giving it, but but it happens. If you guys

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Speaker 1: could get at California the high speed rail built. I know,

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Speaker 1: it's like an impossible legal challenge and everyone blocks it

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Speaker 1: every step.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: We're on the other side of the legal environmental We're

873
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: actually starting to lay track. We're actually decades and decades.

874
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: I can't make up for the past, but I can.

875
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: I have to be accountable to the present, and we're

876
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: finally laying tracks. We're finally moving forward on the damn project.

877
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: Two two hundred and seventy parcels had to be procured

878
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: through eminent domain and other means decade of just just

879
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: moving like in quicksaning inches and then all the environmental

880
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: where all that now is behind us, finally moving to

881
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: lay the damn track.

882
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: And I want to say, when someone gets on that

883
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: train and rides it and it makes their life five

884
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: ten percent more convenient, they notice, they feel it.

885
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: That stuff does matter. And I just so let's.

886
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: Say YouTube about housing, rents, rents too damn high? Sure

887
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: housing transportation? What else? I mean, how about wages? I mean,

888
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: is that sure?

889
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: So gen Z men, unemployment for gen Z men who

890
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: are college graduates is the same as those that haven't

891
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: graduated college. They're getting this degree and getting no material

892
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: benefit in terms of the stats.

893
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: You know, No, that's just and that's just started. We're

894
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: just starting to see that Jake shape. There was always

895
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: that college premium. And now for the first time with

896
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: these remarkable it's this was not quote unquote as people said, Oh,

897
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: you've got this sort of useless philosophy degree and you

898
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: can't get a real job with it. Now these are

899
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: folks with actual those computers and computer science and.

900
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 3: They can't they can't get a job.

901
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 2: And and by the way, philosophy is not useless. In fact,

902
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: in many ways, philosophy is the preferred course nowadays, which is.

903
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah no so yeah they are they are.

904
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 2: Sorry no so, I mean you're re entering a job market.

905
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: It's more difficult than ever people now. People don't even

906
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: want to go to college, right, I mean, you get

907
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: this your teal frame.

908
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: So look, not only did they're not getting the premium

909
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: from going to college.

910
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: College has never been more expensive for these young men.

911
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Especially for these Gen Z people who had to go

912
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: to college during COVID. I can't tell you what a

913
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: sucker punch it has to be to pay way more

914
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: than your parents ever paid to go to Zoom College

915
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: where yeah, and this is not you know, we talk

916
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: about discord and Reddit and gaming shanging in the world.

917
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: I got to talk to you as well as well

918
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: about AI and chat GPT. Listen, Governor, I don't know

919
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: if someone else that your staff is telling you this.

920
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: Every high school in California, and there's great ones. Every

921
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: college in California, people are cheating with Chad GPT. Professors

922
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: are writing Rubert's CHATGBT and then grading with CHATGUBT. People

923
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: are paying absurd amounts of money to get to do

924
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: not it's all a farce.

925
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's everybody.

926
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: People are very smart and learning, but this is happening

927
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: and we have again this is a bigger problem with Trump.

928
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: But our secretary education is like from the WWE, it's.

929
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: It's literally it's yeah, literally, though I think you're making

930
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: that up. Actually was the co founder, Yes.

931
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: And I see a speech with her and she's talking

932
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: about how these kids need to learn about A one.

933
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: She doesn't even know what she can't even pronounce it

934
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: a one. And this is changing literally education rapidly. So again,

935
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: I I.

936
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: Hate to put it all on you. You're one person in.

937
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: It, but I'm just this is my my id screaming

938
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: out to the void that I'm hearing is like things

939
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: are changing rapidly, and I don't feel like the d

940
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: n C particularly is like throwing out the old playbook.

941
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: That's that's it. It just won't work.

942
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: And and are you and when you when you went

943
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: the folks that you're interacting with, are they Is this

944
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: a gender issue as well? From the perspective, it's an

945
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: interesting question.

946
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 3: Uh, definitely.

947
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: It feels like young women are adapting more to the

948
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: society we have now they are just finding a way

949
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: to get to college, get on the corporate ladder. And

950
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think got Gallway talks about this. There's

951
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: an idea generally that men are fine dating sociod economically

952
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: equal or down, and women dien'ally want to date equal

953
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: or up. So it reduces the amount of partners available

954
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: for men who can't get on the economic ladder, which

955
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: makes them more disengaged and more. You know, it's a

956
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: it's a snowball effect. Again, it's not women's fault, but

957
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: this is this is what's happening, and it creates this

958
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: simmering misogyny in online spaces, and it creates this But

959
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: it comes back to economics. Is all I can say

960
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: over and over again is it comes back to economics.

961
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: And again, if I could spoil it down to one word,

962
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: it's like radicalism is when no house, if you can't

963
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: get a house, if you don't see a path.

964
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: To get a house. And I hear this all the time.

965
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: They're there.

966
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: Some of them are working, they're working decent jobs, they're

967
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: working hard. It's not even feasible in a lot of

968
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: these cities to ever get a house. You can't save

969
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: up enough or without taking on an absurd amount of debt. Ever,

970
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: it's just not possible.

971
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: And uh, and if you picked one thing to focus

972
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: in on, that would be it, because they that's the

973
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: biggest thing to put.

974
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: You as part of society or outside of society. If

975
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: once you feel like you can get on that ladder,

976
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: you're okay, you can calm down, you can find a party,

977
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: you can vote. But if you can't see that, it's

978
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: what's the point. Why am I doing it? Why am

979
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: I working this job for a boss? I hate for

980
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: wages that are only okay, I'm never gonna get another

981
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: step up. So yeah, yeah, I feel like I've said

982
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: that enough.

983
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 2: I no, no, look again, I appreciate it and again,

984
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: bouncing back and forth because it's I think it's important

985
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: you talk about you. You brought up the frame the

986
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: word misogyny. Yeah, and finding back to the sort of manosphere. Yeah,

987
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: it comes in many forms and manifestations. So I think

988
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: there's sort of a laziness quote unquote the manosphere of

989
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: what it means or doesn't mean. But there are misogynistic

990
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: aspects of the manosphere. And there are people that have

991
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: been very successful in that space, the sort of Andrew

992
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: Tates of the world and some respects, I mean, the

993
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: fair un far Edwin Ross and you know, the Joel

994
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Peterson tires. Yeah, I mean, what what do you what

995
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: do you make of that in the context of the

996
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: vernacular of the world that you you've been navigating and

997
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: generationally what you're sort of understanding of all that.

998
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the worst part about consecration, Uh, Gavin

999
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: Newsom is that that's fun.

1000
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

1001
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: My dad's a lifelong Republican. He uh not not a Trumper,

1002
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: thank god, but he so. I don't think he's the

1003
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: world's biggest Gavenusom fan.

1004
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Baby.

1005
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: But I did a very small interview with you a

1006
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: while agall livestream.

1007
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I called you Gavin.

1008
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he called me afterwards.

1009
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: He said you called him governor.

1010
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: I appreciate him, but I also appreciate you. Gavin words

1011
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: the military news scum, but from the trust I think

1012
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: you can tell I could handle Gavin better than new scum,

1013
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: which the six year olds used to call me. The

1014
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: hell of a thing. When an eighty six year olds

1015
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: calling me that, eighty nine, mister Trump, you're eighty nine. Uh.

1016
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: The misogyny Okay, here's the thing about consecration is you

1017
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: have a direct financial incentive at all times to feed

1018
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: into people's resentment and to feed into their anger, and

1019
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: to feed into it is just the way the algorithms work.

1020
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: I thought about this deeply in the wake of Charlie Kirkhouse,

1021
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: thinking about what I wanted to say, and I was

1022
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: looking around the internet, and I realized, it doesn't matter

1023
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: what I say, It'll just be fed to the person

1024
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: that agrees with me. It doesn't if I say something

1025
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: that pisces somebody off, they'll never see it again.

1026
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: It'll it'll go into the void. We are going through

1027
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: an algorithm that just decides what you want to see.

1028
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: So in that case, there is a strong financial incentive

1029
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: to tell people who can't find a house or a

1030
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: partner that it's immigrant's fault, or it's women's fault, or

1031
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 3: it's you whoever it's or it's the woke mind virus

1032
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: or what they'll tell you, it's someone's fault. And that's

1033
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: very comforting.

1034
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very very comforting if you're in that spot

1035
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: to have an enemy, to have someone you can rally

1036
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: around and get angry at and again on the space

1037
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm in in Twitch, the most right wing aspects of

1038
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Twitch are mostly talking about how man, these people are

1039
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: ruining gaming, you know, because it's people want to play games.

1040
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, there's there's these female characters lead

1041
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: it in leading the game, and it's like, again, this

1042
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: is a tiny problem, but it unites these people them

1043
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: in the rally around, and so.

1044
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a It's a symptom. Is what I'll

1045
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: say though, is the missogery? I mean, it's probably amplified

1046
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: by this, but it's because they are resentful and someone's

1047
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: going to fill that void and tell them it's this

1048
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: person's problem.

1049
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: So is that I mean, is that why tell me?

1050
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these spaces, I mean, then

1051
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: there's sort of that echo chamber, and then you get

1052
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: that confirmation bias, the algorithms reinforcing that your worldview is

1053
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: colored in, it's amplified, it becomes bigger, and you become

1054
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: more convinced or ideological in that space at the same time,

1055
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: and in some places that leads you to you know,

1056
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: comfortable place. Other places can leave you a radicalized place,

1057
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: which could manifest offline in pretty you know, pretty significant ways.

1058
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, what I'll say is people have gotten radicalized

1059
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: in human history without these platforms. Yeah, and it's because

1060
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's usually when inequality has reached a

1061
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: breaking point. You go to the twenties and thirties or

1062
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: whatever in.

1063
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: Germany.

1064
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they were I don't think Germans were

1065
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: a different people. They were just they had hyperinflation, they

1066
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: had bad economic problems, and it led to radicalization. This

1067
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: happens in human history all over. People people feel like

1068
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: they can't get on the ladder, they start going to edges.

1069
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: I do think that the Internet has made it faster,

1070
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: it's made it quicker, it's made it more virulent. It

1071
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: lets people get larger groups quick. There's a danger to that,

1072
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: but it's not the it's not the core of the problem.

1073
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: It's not banning. It will not change things.

1074
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say, Yeah, you know, and the

1075
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: example of Nepal is a cautionary Yeah. Respect and that's

1076
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: a hell of a cautionary tale. People don't not familiar

1077
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: with it. I mean, just look that, Uh, look it

1078
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: up and to see what happened and of just an

1079
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: almost just they lit a match, so they did, and

1080
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: how almost overnight that rat at lease change the course.

1081
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: It's actually incredible because you know, I'm in the Nepalese.

1082
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: Their gen Z movement is all in a giant eight

1083
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: hundred thousand person discord server, and they're voting to decide

1084
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: the next prime minister, which they interim prime minister.

1085
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Speaker 3: They're gonna have an actual vote, but it's it is

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Speaker 3: a wild.

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Speaker 1: Small example of how the Internet is going to fuse

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00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: with these actual resentments to create change, whether people like

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00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: it or not, unless they're addressed.

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Speaker 2: What do you just in terms of addressing more broadly

1091
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: what's going on in the Internet, what's your sort of

1092
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: broader sense of social media's responsibility in that space to

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00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: police itself, to police to police well speech, to deal

1094
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: with the extremes, to have at least some cues that

1095
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: expressed some concern. Yeah, if things I mean or is

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Speaker 2: it just complete?

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Speaker 3: It's a very tough question.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have the answer to it,

1099
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: because the answer everyone will give you is obviously there's

1100
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: some speech that is too far, but nobody knows. You know,

1101
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: people have such different views, and so one person's this

1102
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: is a totally normal fair thing to say, is the

1103
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: other person that's horrible. Disinformation needs to be banned. And

1104
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: we've seen the shoe on both feet. Now, we've seen

1105
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: people that are really mad about, uh, the way Twitter

1106
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: handled itself during COVID are now hyper defending the president's

1107
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 1: right to take down a late night host for making

1108
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: a mild jab in his direct I mean, it's people

1109
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: are very hypocritical on this front, because free speech sounds

1110
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: great when it's the speech you like. So I don't,

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00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't have the I'm not the guy

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Speaker 1: to give you the right answer on that. I would

1113
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: just say, you know, human history has shown time and

1114
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Speaker 1: time again the censorship.

1115
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Speaker 3: Is is.

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00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: A tool for people that cannot win in the public sphere.

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00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: They can't find a way to get their point across.

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Speaker 2: So is violence. Yeah, and violence, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what what about you just go back to just AI generally?

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Speaker 2: I mean, how is that? And I'm just curious in

1121
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: terms of just what's happening in the gaming space as

1122
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: well more broadly, Yeah, even in the esports space, what's

1123
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: happening as well? Gambling how I mean, and how it

1124
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: just seems to me that's sort of an inter of

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00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: part of all of this as well. We talk about

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00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: what you know, kick and others. It sort of seems

1127
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: like they're moving more and more in that direction. Crypto gaming,

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00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: I mean, are gambling what I mean? It just maybe

1129
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: illuminate a little bit.

1130
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to talk to you about.

1131
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, people are talking about how video games are

1132
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: the problems with young men. I'll tell you the biggest

1133
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: two things that are destroying young men's ability to get

1134
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: financially on their feet is crypto and gambling. Sports gambling particularly,

1135
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: These two things are a a viral cancer that are

1136
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: just ripping these people's ability to get a financial leg

1137
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: up apart. Young men are are attacked with ads non

1138
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: stop on off rink because again, if you are financially stuck,

1139
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: if you don't see a path to with your normal

1140
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: wages getting a house, then you have to take that

1141
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: one hundred x bet, you take that odd you to

1142
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: take that crazy bet. And whether that's punting all your

1143
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: money on a weird meme coin and praying, or it's

1144
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: putting it on seven leg parlay on DraftKings, that is

1145
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: why they're doing this, and that is just stealing their

1146
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: money every day, and it's making them more frustrated and depressed.

1147
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: Again.

1148
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: I find those two things. I speak about them all

1149
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: the time, those two things and buy now, pay later.

1150
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: These buy out, pay later companies.

1151
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: Are just offering people the ability to buy things they

1152
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: cannot afford and putting them on stuck in debt cycles

1153
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: early on small purchases. People are buying out pay later

1154
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: in groceries and and.

1155
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: All these three things. Yeah, crypto game, I'm glad you

1156
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: buy this up. These things are what I'm seeing among

1157
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: gen z. The most are just attacking them financially and

1158
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: at the time when they really don't need it. They,

1159
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: more than any boomers can take this. Gen Z cannot

1160
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: take loss of you know, this month's paycheck on a crypto.

1161
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: They just can't do it. And so uh yeah, I

1162
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: am strongly. I mean, it's so crazy because we barely

1163
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: regulated crypto under Biden. We were making them progress and

1164
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: now it's out the it's out the window, Kevin. I mean,

1165
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: it's the president made five billion off a meme coin.

1166
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: It's it's ridiculous. I find it so deeply frustrating when

1167
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: I see these crypto grifters or David Sachs as a

1168
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: cryptos are with all these business interests.

1169
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: It's so frustrated.

1170
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: And to see them just milk regular people dry on

1171
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: on uh on crypto and and and then every sports

1172
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: thing you watch is.

1173
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: Five hundred gambling ads. Uh I don't know. Yeah, sorry,

1174
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: I went on a rant there.

1175
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: Those two things. Actually I'm very passionate about because I

1176
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: don't see the upside. I really don't.

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00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't see who's benefiting outside of you know, putting

1178
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: a casino in everybody's pocket is just a stupid idea.

1179
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: No, look, I mean I'm I'm dealing with it with

1180
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: my son right now that the thirteen year old is

1181
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: like definitely, well, you know, why are you working? You know,

1182
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: you're such a loser. Usually make you one hundred and

1183
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: seventy grand a year as governor sympathetic you know, I'm

1184
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: making I made, you know, fifty bucks. Look at this

1185
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, you know, and look at what Now I'm

1186
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: done a three buck Wait, no, I make seventy five.

1187
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: Like literally is like an attic waking up and late

1188
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: at night, giving the phone, Give me a phone just

1189
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: one second to see if.

1190
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 3: He's chex stalks three dollars or on robin one hundred percent.

1191
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: Damn that is what's happening, and that idea of like

1192
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: why the hell would I work? Why would I add

1193
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 3: up my money over thirty years?

1194
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: No, he thinks I'm the biggest idiot in them.

1195
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I've seen all the time.

1196
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: You know, I talk finances to my audience a lot.

1197
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: It's a big part of my contents business and finances,

1198
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: and man, they just they're being fed this idea that

1199
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: like the saving money is is stupid. It's stupid, It'll

1200
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: never work. Inflations can eat that away. You have to

1201
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: take these high risk beds. Yeah, but they don't frame

1202
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: him as high risks. They frame him as guarantees. They

1203
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: frame him his shirt. I made the mistake of buying.

1204
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: Getting YouTube videos of Warren Buffett or bored getting him,

1205
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: then coloring books that are versions of worn By If

1206
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 2: it's lessons, he's like old guy, Yeah, who is this guy?

1207
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: What is? What the hell is? You know? There's this

1208
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: dude that's online. Man that just told me like literally,

1209
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: I don't even remember who is the financial advisor is,

1210
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: but he's some guy like literally some YouTube guy. Yeah

1211
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: that is that is. Luckily we only have a thousand

1212
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: bucks that he's been able to say so will survive

1213
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 2: is lesson, but hopefully I'll have an early lesson. Look,

1214
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate the lesson though you're you're you're trying to

1215
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: preach here at least express is a deeper understanding of

1216
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: these more systemic issues, and that we can get caught

1217
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: up and finding scapegoats, we can get caught up and

1218
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: finding conspiracy theories or just the easy out. And as

1219
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: you suggest, I mean, if the oversight, if the lessons

1220
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 2: on what what is alleged to have occurred UH with

1221
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: this tragedy with Charlie Kirk, is to then haul up

1222
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 2: people on Discord UH and the CEOs of Twitch and

1223
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: and all these things we're missing a deeper.

1224
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: Deeper Yeah, I think it's it's it's a massive wrong

1225
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: direction that is just going to to lead to more

1226
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: of what we're already seeing, more spiraling, more, more anger more.

1227
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: I feel like the politicians don't hear the voice, don't understand,

1228
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, if they want to haul up these CEOs

1229
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: and ask them about how the platforms work, get about

1230
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: understanding that, sure, but if they're there to like point

1231
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: the finger that Discord caused.

1232
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 3: This, or or Twitch caused this.

1233
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: It's it.

1234
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: I just promise you, it's absurd. I promise you it

1235
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: will change nothing. They'll go, They'll go, They'll go deeper

1236
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: into the Internet. They'll just burrow deeper somewhere else. These

1237
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: are relatively safe, moderated platforms. These are not the problem.

1238
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: This is it's just people using the Internet to try

1239
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: and find connection where they can't find it in real

1240
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: life because there's there's not opportunities.

1241
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: Lemonade Stand. What's the what's the goal with the podcast

1242
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: is it? Is it to illuminate an entrepreneurial mindset, the

1243
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 2: notion of a lemonade stand Many of our first business

1244
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 2: experiences with selling lemonade, differentiating our brand, decommoditizing a common

1245
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: selling it for an extra five cents, twenty five cents,

1246
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: or you know, fresh lemonade versus the sugar version. What's

1247
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 2: what's the idea behind it?

1248
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: Lemonade stands our podcast. It's myself, my friend Aiden, and

1249
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: my friend Doug. All of them are concentrators, Doug Doug,

1250
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: Doug Doug eager to get your homeworn buddy. And the

1251
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: idea was, we are three guys who are only qualified

1252
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: to run a lemonade stand. We're not We're not bringing

1253
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: deep es bertise here. We have business backgrounds, we have,

1254
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, backgrounds of our own. We've started these media

1255
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: these small media companies. But really we're we're just going

1256
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: to do our best to understand and read about what's

1257
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: going on and present it in a way with the

1258
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: lingo and the slang and the of what this audience wants.

1259
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: To hear it in.

1260
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: That's the idea. We're not going to be right about everything,

1261
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: but we're not going to be trying to sway you.

1262
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: We're not going to be trying we we have no

1263
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: ulterior motive. We're just interested in talking about it with

1264
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: each other.

1265
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: I love it. Well, it's fun to talk about everything

1266
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: we just talked about with each other. I appreciate you

1267
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: bring in your authentic voice and perspective on us, and

1268
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: I also appreciate your stubbornness on pay attention to the

1269
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: thing that is the thing that explains all of the

1270
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: other things, and that are these sort of tectonic plates

1271
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: of wealth and income inequality that are growing and growing,

1272
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: and a divide that is not just a political divide,

1273
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: that is a societal divide and unless we address uh,

1274
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: forget which party you're associated with, but the whole fabric

1275
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: of our society is going to fray apart. ADRUX, thanks

1276
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: Man for being with us.

1277
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 3: Thank you