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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Saron, Hey Elizabeth, how are you good?

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Speaker 3: I was just sitting over here watching Smoking in the

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Speaker 3: Bandit Too, which is just the worst movie. And I

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Speaker 3: love the Smoking the Bandit series, but it's such a

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Speaker 3: cash grab. Oh my god, it's so bad. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just terrible. But I love it for how terrible

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Speaker 2: I love that for you.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was doing. How are you been?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? Good is yeahm hm yeah. Do you know

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: Tell me?

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Speaker 3: Do you remember? I'm not sure if you were into

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Speaker 3: this because it's a you know, I think it's one

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Speaker 3: of the things like you usually need cousins or like

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Speaker 3: some friends, and you apparently neither. So the easy bake oven? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: did you ever play with an easy bake oven?

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Speaker 2: I had a classmate who had one. I went to house.

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Speaker 2: This is basically like you stick batter under a light bulb.

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Speaker 3: An actual incandescent light bulb, but that was the heating element,

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Speaker 3: and you pull out this like undercooked cake or like

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Speaker 3: under cookies, and then the kids would eat them while

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Speaker 3: their parents were like, look at that. They're like a

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Speaker 3: little adults.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I wanted one, and my mom and

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Speaker 2: my grandmar are like, we have an oven, what's wrong

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Speaker 2: with you?

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Speaker 3: It was a huge It's in the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: of Toys, Like, even though it made really bad cake

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Speaker 3: and cookies, people loved it and apparently get this, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I got good news for you. You can get your own

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Speaker 3: because it's back.

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Speaker 2: Is it now?

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Speaker 3: I swear to god? Has Bro brought it back? And

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Speaker 3: they have this They just brought one out at the

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Speaker 3: end of last year and it was the hit of

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Speaker 3: apparently the holiday season. It was only available from Walmart

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Speaker 3: and it sold out.

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Speaker 2: Does it have AI?

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't have AI, but it interesting. They did

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Speaker 3: update it with quote new retro modern style, colorful sprinkle lights,

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Speaker 3: a built in timer, upgraded baking tools, and new mixes

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Speaker 3: featuring updated flavors. If you're wondering about the heating element,

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Speaker 3: they actually they don't use an incandescent light bulb anymore

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Speaker 3: because you can't buy them right Hoast in California. I

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Speaker 3: don't know about the rest to the country, but we

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Speaker 3: couldn't have them, and they have a miniature heating element,

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Speaker 3: so I imagine it's like a coil of some kind.

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Speaker 3: So there you go, and it's like almost like forty

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Speaker 3: five bucks at Walmart, they're sold out. You're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to wait. You're dropping, is thought because you like cooking.

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Speaker 2: I have then died a few months ago, and then

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Speaker 2: I got a new one.

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Speaker 3: Was it easy bake?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I got a new one.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Is it one of those like induction and

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Speaker 3: everything everything itself? Yeah, it tells you its own name.

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Speaker 2: Is zaps. My Apple preheating is done a super smartphone.

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Speaker 2: I do. I just don't care anymore. I'll just hook

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Speaker 2: everything up to everything.

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Speaker 3: Your car, text you, your text, yure, my washing, text you.

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Speaker 3: Your life is foreign to me.

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Speaker 2: It's it's so great. I feel like I'm in the

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Speaker 2: jetson You're somewhere. And then meanwhile, like LG is going through.

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Speaker 3: My phone with it's like AI agent my.

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Speaker 2: You know what? Who cares? I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I don't care anymore about anything.

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Speaker 2: No, really, there's no such thing as privacy. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Do whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: Money's a lie. There's no such thing as privacy.

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Speaker 2: Everything's everything's in a lab.

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Speaker 3: I tell no one my real name.

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Speaker 2: It's well, do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I do messing with the fish. Oh, this is Ridiculous Crime,

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Speaker 2: a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 3: Damn right, Oh gosh, I know.

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Speaker 2: Every now and then when we stumble upon a crimer

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Speaker 3: It hurts a poster child.

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Speaker 2: IY so someone who embodies all the best parts of

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Speaker 2: the crimes and the criminals that we love. And today

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Speaker 2: I have that for you. Yes, this has San Francisco

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Speaker 2: art crime, prison escapes, casinos, courtroom drama, beach fights, and

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Speaker 3: That last one?

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Speaker 2: He could weep. I've been at a real funk lately,

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Speaker 2: like clinically funky, and this story, this criminal has lifted

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Speaker 2: my dark mood like you wouldn't believe.

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Speaker 3: George Clinton, he re enlivened your funk.

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Speaker 2: Yes he did, he really did. It's like the universe

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Speaker 2: saw my plight, saw that my light had gone out,

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Speaker 2: and said, not so fast, lady host. Help is on

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Speaker 2: the way, so let's get right to this. This guy

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Speaker 2: is named Luke Brugnara, Luke Brugnara. Yeah, he says. He's

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Speaker 2: often called Lucky Luke because he was so lucky in

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Speaker 2: business in life. That was just like when I told

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Speaker 2: people I have him and called Dizzy. Yes, very much.

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Speaker 2: So you have to be very careful when you try

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Speaker 2: and give yourself a nickname. He has a website, Brugnaracorp

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Speaker 2: you from his bio on there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love this, go please.

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Speaker 2: Luke is a fourth generation San Franciscan, growing up in

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Speaker 2: the Sunset District, attending Holy Name Grammar School, where he

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Speaker 2: which Luke began for Holy Name School and then attended

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Speaker 2: Saint Ignatius Preparatory for High School, where Luke competed in track,

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Speaker 2: setting records in the long jump which stand today. Luke

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Speaker 2: national championships. Luke also set the national accuracy fly casting

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Speaker 3: I don't believe any of this. Wait, I mean some

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Speaker 2: I you know, this is a grown man on his

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Speaker 2: corporation's website is telling us all the things he did

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Speaker 2: Nobody care. Yeah, so, I mean, I could honestly read

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Speaker 2: He went to San Diego State. Okay, he ran track

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he went to San Francisco Law School.

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Speaker 3: He didn't set more records in his Oh no, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just like it was amazing and he was too good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't let him compete anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's too good. You got to get off the track.

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Speaker 2: He didn't go to u S University of San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: or like UCS San Francisco, which used to be called Hastings.

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Speaker 2: He went to San Francisco Law School, and it's not

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Speaker 2: does have other interesting alums.

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Speaker 3: It does exist.

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Speaker 2: It does exist. Oscar Zeta Acosta, the inspiration for doctor

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Speaker 2: there and Charles Gary. Now, if you ever have the

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Speaker 2: I saw a documentary about him a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: famous and infamous groups. You're super interesting guy. Yeah. So

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Speaker 2: Charles Gary was Garabedian. Okay, Yeah, he changed it anyway.

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Speaker 2: So that's where Luke went to law school. He worked

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Speaker 2: Bar has no record of him when I ran this yet.

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Speaker 3: He went into em and a Elizabeth all that mergers next.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, still going to put us the bar for that one.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety he married his college girlfriend and in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two he formed the Brugnara Corporation. He has

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Speaker 2: four kids, Luke.

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Speaker 3: The second, Lucky Luke Jr.

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Speaker 2: Vincent, Lauren, and Brianna, and according to the website, the

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Speaker 2: date is the website?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Let me give you some more direct quotes from his website.

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Speaker 2: This is so good. Luke has royal lineage with Habsburg

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Speaker 2: bloodline on both his mother's and father's side, so.

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Speaker 3: You're like Habsburg double.

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Speaker 2: I think the Cannibal Brugnara. Luke's great grandfather times four

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Speaker 2: seventeen sixty to seventeen ninety six. On his mother's side,

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Speaker 2: Pelais Gris di Mehramon, Luke's great grandparents were the Marquess

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Speaker 2: They were like biblical years. Yeah, like the biblical aufurs Luke.

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Speaker 2: I'll continue. Luke was bestowed honorary thirty third degree by

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Speaker 2: Sovereign Grand Commander of the Freemasons, Henry Clawson in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three. Luke's maternal great grandfather times two is Alexander Morrison,

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Speaker 2: founder of the venerable law firm Morrison Forrester, who was

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Speaker 2: Here's a fun fact about Morrison Forrester. Please everyone refers

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Speaker 2: to it as MOFO. Yeah, Ley lean in to it.

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Speaker 2: Their website is even mofo dot com. Yeah. So there's more.

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Speaker 2: This will be important later.

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Speaker 3: It was important to me then.

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Speaker 2: Luke and his family have lived in Seacliff for the

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Speaker 2: past twenty one years and Las Vegas. Luke purchased his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well familiar, it's it's like an eleven year old

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly exactly so for those not the know, Seacliff

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Speaker 2: is a neighborhood in San Francisco. It's west of the Presidio,

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Speaker 2: And in fact most homes there have views of the

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Speaker 2: Golden Gate bridge, but looking at it into the bay,

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Speaker 2: not the other way around us. Your magnificent, beautiful and

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Speaker 2: Cheech Marin, of course, is the actor slash comedian best

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Speaker 3: And then also Nash Bridge for his work.

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Speaker 2: On Nash Bridges, set in San Francisco, which you were

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Speaker 2: familiar with. Personal used to heckle them and I could

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Speaker 2: see them, so I think I've told this here he may.

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Speaker 2: When I would see him and Don Johnson filming on

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Speaker 2: back to nineteen ninety three, Oh, back when he became Amazon.

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Speaker 2: I'm only thirty two years old, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: Long as I can.

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Speaker 2: He's like, We're going to run out of buildings, folks,

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Speaker 2: He said that he was worth one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: And that's back when you wanted office space.

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Speaker 3: I'm like a shock I sleep.

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Speaker 2: But things weren't always on the up and up.

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Speaker 3: No, it seems so on the straight and narrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In two thousand, he had to pay more than

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Speaker 2: illegally disposed of syringes and gauze pads like they're supposed

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Speaker 3: He's like, look, there's holes in the wall.

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Speaker 2: Just throw it in the regular trash.

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Speaker 3: I'm not paying, are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: I thought it was in the building. It was like,

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Speaker 3: Well that's just done right there, That's what the judge.

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Speaker 3: As he's done right there.

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Speaker 2: He said Brugnara had quote no credibility, and this testimony

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Speaker 2: must be quote rejected in its entirety as being untrustworthy

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Speaker 2: with the judge. Yeah, he's just not having it. In

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, Luke tried to get into the casino business.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he bought the Silver City Casino on the

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Speaker 2: from Circus Circus. Okay, he paid thirty one and a

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Speaker 3: The whole thing, okay, and it was I don't think.

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Speaker 2: There was a full hotel. It was like, I think

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Speaker 2: it was more of a locals place, okay. Mandalay Resort

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Speaker 2: so the place closed down on Halloween nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: Out of work. You would you get that first, because like.

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Speaker 2: Luke, he applied for a gaming license in August of

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so No Casino.

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Speaker 3: Nevada takes that stuff seriously.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to redo the whole thing anyway. He's like,

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Speaker 2: Now, there was already a Walgreen. No, no one wants that.

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Speaker 2: There was already a Walgreens on the property that he'd

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Speaker 2: Oh god, so three years here's the thing. The Nevada

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Speaker 2: Gaming Commission denied his gaming license in a unanimous decision.

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Speaker 2: allegations that Brugnara had made several death threats to associates

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Speaker 3: Death threats. Yeah, I like, how like they dug everywhere

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Speaker 2: So Luke was like, you know what, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: His settlement is like, you'll give me the license.

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Speaker 2: Well, he said he talked to Joe Alioto and I've

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Speaker 3: Tough guy, totally had the office in North Beach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so San Francisco Italian American to San Francisco Italian American.

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Speaker 2: These two guys I started talking. Joe said he thought

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Speaker 2: If it's uimous, unanimous and this stuff that you can't

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Speaker 3: No, And they wouldn't have replaced that many in the

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Speaker 2: You're wasting my time exactly. So he sold the casino

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Speaker 3: My mother would be happy.

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Speaker 2: So this is around the time that Luke bought Cheech's house. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Brugnara prefers the pure a political craftsmanship of sixteenth and

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Speaker 2: with that. So two thousand and three, Brugnara bought a

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Speaker 2: lot of the Ninja Turtles did this one. So Christie's,

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Speaker 2: He's seventy five years old, retired Professor's name's Carlo Pedretti.

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Speaker 3: Great guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like when he saw what Luke had, he's like,

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Speaker 2: wait for Padretti's opinion and stop payment.

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Speaker 3: On the check.

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Speaker 3: I thought, I'm gonna say he sold it. No, He's like, stop.

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Speaker 2: Payment because he wants to go sell it. So, of course,

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Speaker 2: The Brugnaro Corporation website says the company owns quote a

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Speaker 2: Christ Carrying the Cross circa. Fifteen hundred is valued at

437
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: over one billion dollars one billion. Brugnar Corporation's fine art

438
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: collection is valued at over three billion dollars.

439
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: The one billion would be a record, Like that's double

440
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: the most expensive Leonardo painting.

441
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: Now, yes, that was then? Yeah, like how does he?

442
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: Who did he think?

443
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: He's lying to himself? Probably so who knows. Let's take

444
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: a break and upon our return we're gonna up the

445
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: legal ante.

446
00:22:45,480 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: Yes, zaren I loving dumb people. Lie, this is so good.

447
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: It's so good because it's just like, no, keep going?

448
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: What else? They were three trillion dollars? How about that?

449
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: Is that what you're your sofa is worth? Okay? So

450
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight was rough on a lot of people.

451
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: There was that whole financial crisis thing, like thanks subprime mortgages,

452
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: thanks derivatives. Two thousand and eight was rough for Luke Brugnara,

453
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: but not for those reasons, although I'm guessing his finances

454
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: and his real estate didn't have too smooth a ride. No,

455
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight is when things started to catch

456
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: up with him. We always say that you shouldn't lie

457
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: to the FBI.

458
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, we do.

459
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: You also shouldn't lie to the I R S.

460
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 3: Another good one not to lie to.

461
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: Luke lied to the I R S. Oh yeah, he

462
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: caught three counts.

463
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: The irony of that is, they'll refer you to the FBI.

464
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: Exactly. He caught three counts in April two thousand and

465
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: eight for filing false income tax returns back in two thousand,

466
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, two thousand and two. Remember he

467
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: went a stretch without filing at all because he had

468
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: all those properties. Remember in those three years two thousand

469
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: through two thousand and two, he sold a bunch of properties,

470
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: and on each sale he made a profit, and he

471
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: neglected to report those gains on his federal income tax.

472
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: Oh so he was filing at this point and then

473
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 3: just and just saying I don't know how that happened.

474
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: Exactly. So he got those charges. But a few days

475
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: later a grand jury hit him with more noise. On

476
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: April tenth, two thousand and eight, Luke Brugnara and his corporation,

477
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: Brugnara Corporation, they get charged with four counts of quote

478
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: taking steelhead trout in violation of the Endangered Species Act

479
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: and two counts of making a false statement during the

480
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: course of the investigation.

481
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: About your bond son your crimes.

482
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: So it seems Luke intentionally blocked the flow of Little

483
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Arthur Creek, a watershed for steelheads. So there's this private

484
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: dam called Pikell's Dam after the original homesteaders in the

485
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred, on some property that Luke bought just outside

486
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: of Gilroy, California, Garlic. So he purposely closed the portal

487
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: on the dam, and it was known that steelhead trout

488
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: migrated upstream of the dam on the property. They struggled

489
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: all the way up from the Pacific Ocean at Monterey Bay,

490
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: through fields and everything else to get to and there's

491
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: a threatened species. Why are they threatened? Thank you? Well,

492
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: folks like Luke were blocking off the waterways like Little

493
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: Arthur Creek with dams. So state and federal Fish and

494
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: Wildlife investigators they went to check it out and they

495
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: saw a bunch of adult steelhead trapped downstream of the dam.

496
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: They couldn't migrate upstream to their spawning habitat, and a

497
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: Federal Fisheries biologist he took a look, and we're like,

498
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: these trout are essential to the survival of the species

499
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: due to their low number found in the Pajaro River

500
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: watershed and parro is how you know, locally we pronounced it,

501
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: it's Paharo either way, So they had to be rescued

502
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: and moved upstream. They had to gather them up. So

503
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: the rescue team arrives to move the steelhead upstream and

504
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: investigators are like, there are no fish here, They're gone.

505
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: And then they also found evidence of poaching and trapping activities,

506
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: so it wasn't just that he blocked the like damned

507
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: it up. He was, you know, netting them in. So

508
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: they're like, we have to talk to the property owner

509
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: and that's Luke. And he was like, I didn't take

510
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: the fish, no, and you know, I have no idea,

511
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: did you. He's like, I don't even have the kind

512
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: of lure that you would need that's capable of cat

513
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: steelhead trout. He caught the fish, he had the lures.

514
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: Like he was lying, He's got the truck.

515
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: He's lying to Federal Fish and Wild So what's interesting

516
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: is that this case is the first federal criminal case

517
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: in the country charging an individual and corporation with taking

518
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: steelhead trout by blocking access to upstream habitat first best,

519
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: most important, dude.

520
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: He got one. He finally got record.

521
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: So it should be noted that in twenty twenty four,

522
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: after decades of hard work by local fishing and environmental organizations,

523
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: Pickel's Dam was.

524
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: Removed part of the Oravile Dam.

525
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: Trout Unlimited raised the bulk of the funds, coordinated the work,

526
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: and a press release they said, quote this work removed

527
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: the dam, it's non functional fish ladder, a concrete slab,

528
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: and restored some three hundred feet of stream channel, enabling

529
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: subservice water to rise and flow upstream of the dam

530
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: in the dry season for the first time in decades.

531
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: Heck yeah, Now that the dam is gone to you

532
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: will manage the construction of a pedestrian bridge over the

533
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: creek on the project side to enable continued access for

534
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 2: the property owner. So there's like this was a huge thing.

535
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: There's all this video of them tearing it down.

536
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: I have remember friends posting videos on Instagram and they're

537
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: excited about all. There's numerous damn teardowns in California going

538
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: on right now and people getting geeked.

539
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: At but it's a cool thing to watch, and it

540
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: was like such a huge effort. I'm pretty sure Luke's

541
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: not the property owner anymore. So Back in two thousand

542
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: and eight, he pulled another stunt with that creek. He

543
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: tried to sell the water in it to the City

544
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: of Gilroy. According to the Gilroy Dispatch, the city administrator

545
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: Quote called the entire premise of the proposition puzzling because

546
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: he wrote, it seems like Brugnara is trying to profit

547
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: off the way water currently flows. Water coming down Mount

548
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: Madonna flows into Little Arthur Creek on Brugnara's one hundred

549
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: and twelve acre property along Redwood Retreat Road and then

550
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: feeds the Uvis Creek before percolating into the aquifer below Gilroy.

551
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: Instead of paying the Santa Clara Valley Water District two

552
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: point four million dollars a year to pump nearly three

553
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: billion gallons of water from the aquifer, which it helps

554
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: replenish by releasing water from the Juviis Reservoir, Brugnara has

555
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: offered to sell quote his water in arrears for three

556
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year for the first two years,

557
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: and then a fifteen percent marked down from the district's

558
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: prevailing rate thereafter. Okay, and the article goes on. But

559
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: if the water already leaves Brugnara's property and travels down

560
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Yuvus Creek along with the district's artificially released water, why

561
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: would the city pay him on top of the water

562
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: district thanks simple Brugnara has said, dump the godlike district

563
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: and just pay him instead. The godlike quote godlike district.

564
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: I want to be the godlike water figure. This is

565
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: like the old Western where he's doing dams and trying

566
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: to sell water downstreet.

567
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: The city was like, big note, reject the offer, and

568
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: Luke goes into a tizzy. He starts threatening people. He

569
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: accuses everyone of corruption, and the city's like, you know what,

570
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: that's crazy because we're still not interested.

571
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: And so he's a.

572
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: Waiting well he's doing this while he's a waiting trial

573
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: on all this other stuff, on the tax stuff and

574
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: on the trout stuff.

575
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: Out from Vegas.

576
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: It's nothing, and so he gets tangled up in a

577
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: whole new legal mess. It's not so new. He'd been

578
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: accused of these sort of things in the past, as

579
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: we talked about threatening people, so in October of two

580
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, four different people got restraining orders against him.

581
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: I told you two thousand was rough, right. Apparently two

582
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: of those people were employees at his children's school. They

583
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: said that Luke forced another parent off the road with

584
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: his car, and they said that he was known to

585
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: carry weapons. Now, will I believe they mean a gun?

586
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: I prefer to imagine like nunchucks or maybe a mace.

587
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: Maybe he's maybe his fists are registered lethal weapons you

588
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: know that are Anyway, Like I said, he had a

589
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: history of this sort of thing. He once threatened a

590
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: city attorney, court appointed receiver, his brother, his former mistress,

591
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 2: and their child. Former mistress, Yeah, it was their child.

592
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: He had an outside child.

593
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: It was alleged that he threatened a witness to alter

594
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: her testimony before the Nevada Gaming Commission. Wow, and then

595
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: said witness already had a restraining order in place when

596
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: he did this. So he later pleaded guilty to tax

597
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: fraud and trout fraud. And then he tried to retract

598
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: his pleas but they wouldn't let him, and then he

599
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: did and then he like it went back and forth, Yeah, exactly.

600
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: He eventually gets sentenced to thirty months in federal prison.

601
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: He got out in twenty twelve. Two years later, he's

602
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: back at it baby. March twenty fourteen, he arranged to

603
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: buy eleven million worth of paintings and other works of

604
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: art from a dealer named Rose Long. Okay, eleven million.

605
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: Eleven million dollars of paintings.

606
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Paintings in the business artwork. Yeah, he said that they

607
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: were for display in his museum.

608
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: His museum.

609
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: So a couple notes on this one. He didn't have

610
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: that kind of money in twenty fourteen.

611
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm guessing not. He just got out prison.

612
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: And two he didn't have a museum.

613
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: That was my big main question, what museum.

614
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 2: Long was not aware of either of those notes and so,

615
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: and since like it was going to museum and not

616
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: a private collection, longs like, I'll give you a ten

617
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: percent discount. That's fabulous, Okay. Luke was like, thank you

618
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: so much. That's great. Also, I'm not going to pay

619
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: for shipping. Okay, thank spy, Kay, thank spy. So he

620
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: bought quotes sixteen paintings by Williem Da Kooning, the Dutch

621
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: American abstract expressionist, for about seven million. For those, he

622
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: threw down three million for a Diga sculpture. They're four

623
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand for a painting by American realist

624
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: artist George Lukes, one hundred and sixty thousand for a

625
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: drawing by Miro Yeah, and one hundred and forty five

626
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: thousand for etchings by Pablo Picasso.

627
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Baby patchings. Okay, I'll take.

628
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: Exactly so long of course, is like, okay, give me

629
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: a deposit, give me a little upfront before delivery. And

630
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: Luke's like, no, no, that's not going to work for me.

631
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, kay, thanks by He was like, don't forget

632
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: I bought expensive stuff from you before. He bought a

633
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: renoir for five hundred thousand dollars and another Picasso drawing.

634
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: Oh really legitimately in the past. And so he's like,

635
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, I'm good for it.

636
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: She's like, you know me, She's.

637
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, I'm in. So she gets all the pieces

638
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: prepared for shipping, and she personally escorts them to San Francisco,

639
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: where the museum is supposed to be. And so she

640
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: and the art arrive and they make their way to

641
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: the address of the museum two to four Seacliff Avenue,

642
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: the former cheach House.

643
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

644
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: So about that museum. He told Long that he was

645
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: opening a museum in San Francisco. She said that she

646
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: hadn't heard anything about a new museum opening in San Francisco.

647
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, did I say San Francisco. It's actually

648
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: be in Las Vegas. You know, so I slip up

649
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: sometimes about.

650
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: Spanish words in San Francisco Las Vegas. Who knows.

651
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: She didn't want to just like leave more than ten

652
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: million dollars in art in the garage of a house,

653
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: but what else could she do? I mean take them

654
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: back with her, of course, But no, she left them

655
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: at the Seacliff house.

656
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: Okay.

657
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: Luke told her that he wanted to inspect the art

658
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: when it came in. Yeah, But when Long and the

659
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: art arrived, he was like, Oh, I can't. I'm busy.

660
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 2: I have an appointment to view some property this morning. Sorry,

661
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: I can't.

662
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: Miss your I'm double booked.

663
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm triple books. Yeah. So Long left the house without

664
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: the crates being opened, and then she also left without

665
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: getting paid. And then so what she did get was

666
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: a lawyer, but then so did Luke. Luke's like, sue me,

667
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: sue you for his argument. His argument was that the

668
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: art was all a gift. She just gifted this to

669
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: me and I'm sorry, but no takebacks, no vacksies, Bai.

670
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 2: She's so generous.

671
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: Kay, thanks by she loves me.

672
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just you know, I'm lucky, Luke.

673
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 3: What can I say? Honor.

674
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: So Luke also told his lawyer that the pieces were

675
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: quote unauthenticated and not worth muchauthentic.

676
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: Can you imagine being this dude's lawyer stuff and you're like,

677
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: don't tell.

678
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: Me that, Long Layer. They're going back and forth you

679
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: He's like.

680
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.

681
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: He puts his fingers in his ears. The lawyers are

682
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: going back and forth. Luke's lawyer was like, you know what,

683
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: only four crates were delivered and then like a small box.

684
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: And Luke was like, you know what, I'll return the

685
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: gifts that you gave me, but I want something in reach.

686
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: What Yeah, I don't know. So negotiations are at a standstill.

687
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: So Long's legal team went to the FBI. Good for her,

688
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: The FBI searched the Seacliff house in May of twenty fourteen,

689
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: took custody of four of the crates from the garage.

690
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: None had ever been opened, thank goodness. So in the

691
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: crates we have the mirror drawing, the Picasso etchings, the

692
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: dacooning pieces, the Luke's painting. By the way, there's a

693
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: real possibility that all the dacoonings were duf fake. But

694
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: that's another story.

695
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: Like intentionally counterfeit. She didn't know, she.

696
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: May not have known, you know. Wow, So the fifth crate.

697
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: But me, here's the thing, we talk about enough art crime.

698
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: I think most of it's fake A good percentage.

699
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, er side, that's probably fair.

700
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: It's probably fake. So that fifth crate, right, the one

701
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: with the bronze casting of the Degas Little Dancer statue

702
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: nowhere to be found. So it was on like the

703
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: FBI is like this tastes good. I love this. Luke

704
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: gets charged with a bunch of different counts of fraud,

705
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: taken into custody. We're going to trial people. Luke, however,

706
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: was going to freedom. So in February of twenty fifteen,

707
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: right before the trial started, Luke made an escape. What

708
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: the judge gave him a three hour furlough so that

709
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: he could change out of his prison garb and into

710
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: a suit and like street clothes to meet up with

711
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: his lawyer at the Federal building in Oakland.

712
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: Sure.

713
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: Instead, he just made a run for it. He took

714
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: off first six days he evaded the Feds. When he

715
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: was caught, he was hanging out in Los Gadows, which

716
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: is at the edge of the Santa Cruz Mountains between

717
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: Santase and Santa Cruz. If you need some sort of

718
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: orientation there, and he had a perfectly good explanation for it.

719
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: He took the road.

720
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: No. See, he had been held at the Glen Dyer

721
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: Jail in Oakland, so they're like, oh, okay, I get it.

722
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: It's the one that's closed down now. It's above police headquarters,

723
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: right next to the freeway with the slits for.

724
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: Those downtown basically, So it wasn't just.

725
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: That it was Glen Dyre jail. It was that he

726
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: was being starved there, malnourished. He said he was being

727
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: malnourished and he was going to come back for trial.

728
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: It was honest. But he just nipped out for a

729
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: bite to eat and less got us fifty miles away. Yeah, anyway,

730
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: multiple so his lawyer withdrew representations.

731
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: I knew. Yeah, his lawyer, he's just like, you're going

732
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: to ruin my career just by being like.

733
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: Why he's like ethical reasons, Yeah I cannot, And so

734
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: they get in, they bring in a replacement lawyer, and

735
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: then the replacement lawyer is like, yeah I can't. I

736
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: have to withdraw representation for ethical reasons.

737
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 3: So is it not a public defender? He's still paying right,

738
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: and they're just like opting out, opting out.

739
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: So who's going to be his lawyers?

740
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: Erin himself, a fool.

741
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: Luke represented himself.

742
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I remember suddenly he went to law school.

743
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: I went to law school. The trial was very chaotic,

744
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: very unhinged, went on for two weeks.

745
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: The judge walked out with white hair, came in with.

746
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: Let's take a break, and when we come back, courtroom drama.

747
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Sarin.

748
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm excited about this.

749
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: We we go now to the trial of Luke Brugnara.

750
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: An appeals judge would later write in his ruling, quote,

751
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: this isn't a judge's.

752
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: Ruling, this is the appeal. So he's looking at another

753
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: judge's work.

754
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 2: Comes back and this is like, this is okay. Quote

755
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: from the moment his trial began. Brugnara's behavior could be

756
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: described as appalling. And then it just goes from thereat right.

757
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: So apparently when government attorneys objected, he would just keep

758
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: talking right over him, like he didn't hear him. He

759
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: talked over and interrupted the judge like, Yeah, I'm gonna

760
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: need you to hold it a second. I'm still not done.

761
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 2: When he would be told to settle down, he would

762
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: just yell louder. He ignored procedure. He gave speeches when

763
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be questioning witnesses.

764
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: Is he trying to get his case thrown out? Like?

765
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 3: Is he going for like a mist?

766
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: He's luking it up. And he tried to sneak in

767
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: evidence during questioning that had already been ruled in admissible.

768
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: He was he was rude. He was luke Luke. So

769
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: zaren closure. You are a bailiff in the federal courthouse

770
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. You've been on the job for more

771
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: than a decade and you've seen a lot. You're standing

772
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: by the bench as the judge welcomes everyone back into

773
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: court after a recess. The murmured conversations die down, and

774
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: the judge tells the prosecution that they can call their

775
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: next witness. The government attorney stands and calls some commercial

776
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 2: real estate broker to stand. A man at a fine

777
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: suit and expensive haircut approaches and you swear him in.

778
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: Brugnara stands and begins to question the witness. The US

779
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: attorney calls out, your honor, that's her witness. The judge

780
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: bangs his gavel and warns Brugnara to sit down. Brugnari

781
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: stares at the US attorney, looks her up and down,

782
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: and then tells her that she dresses like a Nazi. Enough,

783
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: shouts the judge, this whole trial has been wild, crazier

784
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: than anything you've ever seen. Brugnara says something about how

785
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: bossy the US attorney is and that the judge should

786
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: just lend her his robe, seeing how she's running things

787
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: in here. You cringe in anticipation of the judge's ire.

788
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: He threatens Brugnaro with contempt of court. Brugnara ignores him

789
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: and just sits back down. The gallery whispers to each other,

790
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: and the judge bangs his gavel again. After questions from

791
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: the US attorney, it's time for cross examination. This is

792
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: bound to be good, you think. Brignara asked the guy

793
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: if he would still be able to obtain financing through

794
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: his company if he were acquitted. The witness chuckles a

795
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: bit and then says absolutely not. Brugnara doesn't like this.

796
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: He asked the question again, telling the witness to really

797
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: think about what he's saying. The witness repeats himself, absolutely not.

798
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: We would not finance you. Brugnara tells him they go

799
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: way back, and that there are a lot of things

800
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: the witness should consider before he makes that kind of statement.

801
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: The US attorney objects, sustained, Brignara tries one more time.

802
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: The witness stares Brugnara down. Then he says, you'd have

803
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: a better chance of successfully doing brain surgery than placing

804
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: alone for a museum of which you'd be the landlord

805
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: and tenant. Muffled chuckles fill the courtroom. The judge bangs

806
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: his gavel again and then announce is that they're done

807
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: for the day. They'll resume at nine am tomorrow. Everyone

808
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: begins to file out of the courtroom, but then Brugnara

809
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: loses it. He starts shouting about how he built himself

810
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: up from nothing and that the court and the government

811
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 2: are going to cost him a valuable business relationship. People

812
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: stop in their tracks to listen to this. Insane tirade.

813
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: The judge looks at you and nods. You head over

814
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: to Luke Brugnar and you take him by the arm.

815
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: You're done here today, buddy, you say, get your hands

816
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: off me. He shouts, spittle forming at the corners of

817
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: his mouth. The attorney assigned to oversee him and the system,

818
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: if necessary, quickly shuvels him off to the side room.

819
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: You have another week of this madness and you aren't

820
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: sure you can take it. People just do not wild

821
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: out like this in federal court. You can't even read

822
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: the paper in the gallery. Decorum is everything, and somehow

823
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: this guy keeps getting away with it. Act seran.

824
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: I mean, you just painted it well, so I can imagine.

825
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: But do you imagine sitting through day after day of

826
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: that guy running as his own lawyer, and you're like, look,

827
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 3: we all know you're gonna lose. Can we just speed

828
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 3: this out?

829
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: Exactly? And he's so everybody and yeah, told the US

830
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: attorney you dressed like a Nazi. Yeah, what is that?

831
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: Interrupting the judge? You had me at interrupting the judge like, hey,

832
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: pipe down your honor.

833
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: The trials keeps going on. Luke was like, I don't

834
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: have that missing Dega sculpture that we all keep talking about.

835
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: You go on and on. So first he was like,

836
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: it was never shipped to me. I don't it never

837
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: She never gave it to me. But then the prosecutors

838
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: easily prove that to be false because they have all

839
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: the shipping records. And he's like, okay, fine, for preparatoris

840
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: helping her. Fine, it did get delivered, he says, but

841
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: I have these workmen at the house and they mistook

842
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: the crate containing the degaf for a toilet and they

843
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 2: stole it. You know, as you do.

844
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: Wait, were they trying to steal a toilet or do

845
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: they recognize it was day good later.

846
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: I mean, some time you see a crate, you're like,

847
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: that must have a toilet in it. I have to

848
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: steal it.

849
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: And that's worth at least sixty bucks in the open market.

850
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: It is. So they put it over to the flea market.

851
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: So he went on this long rant then about how

852
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: all the art was fake and worthless anyway, and so

853
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: they asked him, had you had it appraised and authenticated?

854
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: He's like, no, of course notis like yeah, his assessment

855
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: was like based on vibes so then came time for

856
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: jury deliberations and the jury sent a note to the judge.

857
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: They said that one of the jurors had lied about

858
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: his criminal history during Vadir and he was trying to

859
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: influence the deliberations based on his experience as a prisoner.

860
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: The same juror also just like ran out of the

861
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: jury room in the middle of deliberations, and they found

862
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: him later on another floor of the courthouse, like he was.

863
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: Just how are they picked for jury duty and made

864
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: it through?

865
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. So the judge called the jur they

866
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: in the paperwork has only identified as IJ into the

867
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: courtroom and he's like, what's up, my good dude, Like

868
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: what is going on? What's this? I hear about your

869
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: criminal history? And IJ flipped out and then went on

870
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: what the judge described as, quote a relentless political tirade.

871
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, so security had to remove IJ from

872
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: the courtroom when he quote became physically belligerent. He apparently

873
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: he like whipped his jacket, like, rips his jacket off,

874
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: whips it against the seats of the jury box, and

875
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: then he took off his shoe and brandished it like

876
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: a weapon, like he was aiming for George W.

877
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: Bush Goods.

878
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: So Ij gets brought back in so the judge can

879
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: dismiss him from jury service, and he flips out again,

880
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: and this time he said that Luke was innocent because quote,

881
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: he's Italian, and he accused the judge of quote representing

882
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: a Nazi system.

883
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 3: Wow. Do you think Luke had gotten to this of

884
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: it offered him money?

885
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 2: Has to be noticed. Jail do each other. I don't know,

886
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: so Ij.

887
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: Are they running alternate jurorsm for this kind of case?

888
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because it's not like a private file.

889
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: No Ij gets dismissed, escorted from the building. Luke loses it.

890
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: He objects to the dismissal, tries desperately to keep him

891
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: on the jury, which like I can understand but sorry.

892
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: So it should come as no surprise that Luke was

893
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: convicted on six of the nine counts he was charged.

894
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: I'm what didn't go to mistrial or something?

895
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: I know. He gets sentenced to seven years in prisons,

896
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: and that included more than fifteen months for contempt of court.

897
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: He was racking it up in there, like every single time.

898
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: The judge is like scratching it a lot. Fifteen months. Yeah.

899
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: He was also ordered to pay six hundred thousand dollars

900
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: in restitution for the DIGA and about eighty eight thousand

901
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: dollars in attorney's fees. So of course he appeals his lawyer.

902
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: He got a real one for this, said Luke couldn't

903
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: control his actions because of his quote untreated by polar disorder,

904
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: delusions and narcissism.

905
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: Also the Twinkie defense.

906
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: Basically he said, quote, you have to look at it

907
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: in the context of his mental illness. He cannot accept

908
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: responsibility when that challenges his perception of himself, and that

909
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: did not fly with the Court of appeals. There are

910
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: a lot of narcissists and bipolar folks out there who.

911
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: Don't do this, and do you know how many we

912
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: see in through here?

913
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: Right? So Luke went to prison and he got out

914
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: around November twenty twenty on supervised release. And I wonder

915
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: if it was one of those COVID releases. I was

916
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: just about ask, Yeah, Luke is unstoppable though Zarin, No, No,

917
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: he had to keep Lucky Luke in it up. So

918
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: in July of twenty twenty three, a gun that was

919
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: registered to his girlfriend. So it looks like he got

920
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: a divorce at some point was found to have his

921
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: DNA on it. Now, I don't know how how we

922
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: got to that point, but we got there. Felons can't

923
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: have weapons here in Californiaia, so his supervised release was revoked.

924
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: Was the gun used in the commission of a crime?

925
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, I don't know. And he had

926
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: to do another four hundred and fifty six days in jail. Wow,

927
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: four or five six? I think they just punched that

928
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 2: in on the keyboard. Speaking of COVID just a moment ago,

929
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, he couldn't resist trying to con the government

930
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: out of some COVID relief money.

931
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's free money going around.

932
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty twenty four, he gets indicted for just that.

933
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: Give me a PPP loan exactly so.

934
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: According to court documents, quote on or about January fifteenth,

935
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, Brugnara electronically submitted two EIDL applications that's

936
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: Economic Injury Disaster loan in his own name on behalf

937
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: of Brugnara Corporation. As Brugnara knew at the time he

938
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: submitted each application, they contained false representations that were intended

939
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: to influence the SBA to release EIDL funds to which

940
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 2: Brugnara was not entitled. He first applied for a loan

941
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the SBA,

942
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: which was twice denied. He said the company had four

943
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: employees and its gross revenues the year prior were thirteen million,

944
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So the next month

945
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: he went after some of those PPP funds Paycheck Protection Program.

946
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: He submitted a PPP application in the name of Brugnar Corporation.

947
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: In the application, he falsely represented that his company had

948
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: twenty four employees and had an average monthly payroll of

949
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars, and this time he was successful.

950
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: They gave him a round like more than four hundred

951
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,479
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. So since that worked, he tried a second time,

952
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: used all the same information that one got denied, and

953
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: it caught him some charges, and then he did another

954
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: Oakland escape in May of twenty twenty four. I'm going

955
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: to try not to be insulted by his desire to

956
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: run from Yeah, so right when he was indicted in

957
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: a pandemic relief fraud case. Luke was sent to an

958
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: Oakland residential re entry center to serve the remainder of

959
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: his prison term on that gun charge.

960
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: A halfway house.

961
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he and another dude immediately escaped. Like he

962
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: walks in and was like, I'm halfway out. Now takes

963
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: off this time. They found him pretty quickly in a

964
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: hotel room near San Francisco International Airport with his girlfriend.

965
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 3: Oh wow, those hotels, Yeah, exactly, staff, I have seen everything.

966
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: Remember we did the one with the furries.

967
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: Were they all on drilling game?

968
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

969
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: That one.

970
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: So he currently faces nine felony counts of wire fraud

971
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: and three counts of money laundering thanks to the pandemic. Yeah,

972
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 2: the trial is set to start in June twenty twenty six.

973
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: Oh but we're not done. We're not done.

974
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 3: I'm not done.

975
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: In January of this year, Luke was back. According to

976
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: news outlet Sphist, Luke quote reportedly put up an illegal

977
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: chain link fence around a piece of ocean front property

978
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: in Daily City that has long been used for its

979
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: hiking and equestrian trail and is a path to Thornton

980
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: State Beach.

981
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: Why did he put up?

982
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: And he put up a sign that had like a

983
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: hand drawn image of a gun and it said trespassers

984
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: will be shot on site. S I te so yeah,

985
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: so yeah, basically on this site. So the fence blocks

986
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: off this trail that the public has used for generations. Okay,

987
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: and as you know, what happens when you tell California

988
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: beach combers, dog owners and hikers that they can't access

989
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: the ocean like here go hell comes this is.

990
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially those with you. I'm assuming this is like

991
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: the sand duney area that's over the cliffs.

992
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so San Mateo County at south of San

993
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: Francisco Daily City would be like the municipality for it.

994
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: I've mentioned my dude, Dan Noys of ABC seven Eyewitness

995
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: News ITEAM. He's a boss, like old school sixty minutes,

996
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: microphone in the face as you come out of your

997
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: house journalists. He got an exclusive interview with Luke because

998
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: of course he did. Where he's Dan Noise, get out.

999
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: Of here, Hue Leather reporting with Dan Noise.

1000
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: Here's what Luke told him quote on the case. Not

1001
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: only is that fence not coming down, it's going to

1002
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: be replaced with a wrought iron fence. So we don't

1003
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: have to worry about people cutting holes in it anymore.

1004
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: That's what he tells Dan Noise. According to Sphist quote,

1005
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: the ownership structure is fairly complicated, involving multiple parties, some

1006
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: of whom are siblings, all of whom are elderly. So

1007
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 2: I'm like getting more and more confused as I'm trying

1008
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: to figure this out.

1009
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: He's doing elder abuse and acting like this is his property.

1010
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: ABC seven. Dan steps into clarify. Quote. The seven acres

1011
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: surrounded by fence right now at Thornton Beach State Park

1012
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: are owned by eight people. Real estate investor Luke Brugnara

1013
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: convinced one of them in November to give him their share,

1014
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: a deed for one twenty fourth interest and the ability

1015
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 2: to get more when two other owners pass away. Even

1016
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: though he controls such a small portion, Brugnara tells the

1017
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: I team that he has a right to fence all

1018
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: seven acres, and then so a county supervisor sends a

1019
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: letter to the county you know, assessor's office, asking to

1020
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: investigate and is like, the deed, this has to be

1021
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: a fraud. This can't be real. Yeah, So that's all

1022
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: going on right now, Like there's developing its every day.

1023
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: You could go see the fence right now, and then

1024
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: if you look, there's just like the stories keep popping up.

1025
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 2: New ones popped up while I was researching this. More

1026
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 2: from his dan Ney's interview quote, Dude, it doesn't matter

1027
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: whether I own one percent or twenty percent. I have

1028
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: a right to protect my interests and I have a

1029
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: right to protect the property. So much so that a

1030
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: couple recently called nine one one after they said Brugnar

1031
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: I told them, if you get near the fence, I

1032
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: will shoot and kill you.

1033
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: Threats right Classico.

1034
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: The cops roll up, they stop him because he's in

1035
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: a car that's being driven by his girlfriend.

1036
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure he doesn't have a license.

1037
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's in the rear passenger seat at the time,

1038
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: riding up front. And shotgun was a nine millimeter glock

1039
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 2: in an unlocked case. Woa, ladies and gents, we got

1040
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 2: a felon with a gun. He caught that charge as

1041
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: well as for all the threats he was making. And

1042
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: guess what that was the same gun from twenty twenty

1043
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: three with the DNA.

1044
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1045
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Daily City, where the fence is located, was

1046
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: going to tear down the fence. But then an associate

1047
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: of Luke's filed a lawsuit against Daily City to stop them,

1048
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: like an injunction. Basically, yeah, that associate Luke's twenty six

1049
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: year old girlfriend.

1050
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 3: How is she?

1051
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, honey, okay, hold on, if you're listening,

1052
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: you've got to walk away. You are young, you have

1053
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: better options. Yes, don't walk run please, my dear. She

1054
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: denied being his girlfriend. Now, she said that he is

1055
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: a real estate advisor to her family, like, oh, you're

1056
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: in good hands, top shelf. So Luke and the galpal

1057
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: are living in an RV on that one twenty fourth

1058
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 2: of the property man life and that's because Lucky Luke is,

1059
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 2: according to dan Ney's quote, facing eviction for disruptive behavior

1060
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 2: from his single room occupancy hotel in Chinatown. The owner

1061
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: says Brugnara hasn't paid rent for five months, that he

1062
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: harasses other tenants and leaves trash everywhere.

1063
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: This guy is just life a rack. It's just a

1064
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 3: movable feast of crap.

1065
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for bad luck, he'd have no luck

1066
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 2: at all right now.

1067
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: And he's the source of it. He's the sort of

1068
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: like when he said, like you know, Lucky Luke, it's

1069
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: the exact opposite. Like everything else, he says, it's the

1070
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 3: exact opposite, but.

1071
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: Like this incredible rise and incredible fall, he goes from

1072
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: like owning all this property downtown San Francisco to living

1073
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: in a vanda.

1074
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: By the way, we're speculating, Oh my god, Yes it

1075
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: was speculating. But do you think that girlfriend and he

1076
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: there bond is drugs?

1077
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 2: In pure speculation? Yes, yeah, he's.

1078
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: Honey, other people have drugs. He looks if it's the

1079
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 3: drugs other.

1080
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: People, he looks rough. He's looking rough.

1081
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Speaker 3: That's what I mean. I'm just guessing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's your ridiculous takeaway on this?

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Speaker 3: It's wild? How just from his bio that he wrote

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Speaker 3: and he highlighted his childhood accomplishments, will say you could

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Speaker 3: see the arc of his life. You didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 3: know what details they would be. But the fact that

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Speaker 3: he would just forcibly, demonstrably aggressively argue his truth against anybody,

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Speaker 3: including the judge who decides his fate, It's all right

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Speaker 3: there in that bio, just the whole Like if I

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Speaker 3: say it, I can make it be true. I can

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Speaker 3: make you believe it.

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Speaker 2: That's not any sure that he is unwell. Really, I'm

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Speaker 2: interested to like know what his kids experiences are there

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Speaker 2: grown and like he says that they're part of the company.

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Speaker 2: Now oh yeah, I mean I don't know. Again, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how I figure that was just old today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I mean it's like, what are they up to?

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Speaker 2: What are they doing? And like this has got to

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Speaker 2: be rough on, be embarrassing as all hell exactly, But

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Speaker 2: I swear to God, like you you ask people like

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Speaker 2: have you heard anything about this? And like you know,

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Speaker 2: friends of mine around the Bear friends in Vegas family,

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00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like as soon as and they're just like,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, I heard about that guy. He's just yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's bike ride soon.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's far enough. I could go

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Speaker 3: down to Daily City you see this, get a picture.

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00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: I want to see if I get him to threaten

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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: me and be like, dude, you spelled your sight wrong

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Speaker 3: on your sign, don't.

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Speaker 2: Go and bring a red marks. Yeah. What's my ridiculous

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Speaker 2: takeaway is that this guy just like appeared like this

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Speaker 2: vision in the night for me. I needed this, Luke,

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00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: I needed this, and I you know I we've said

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: before too that like all of us are a couple

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Speaker 2: of bad decisions away from being on this podcast Steal

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Speaker 2: the Trout, Come on, But like there's so many interesting

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00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: elements that like I wanted to do side quests on it.

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Speaker 2: Like I was really fascinated about the Gilroy property and

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Speaker 2: I started researching it and I thought, unimportant Isabeth back up?

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Speaker 2: And then like where did he get the initial seed funding?

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00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: All these things? And I really want to know, Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I want to know more about him because

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Speaker 2: he's just he's like a classic ridiculous criminal, very Californian,

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Speaker 2: but and he hits all the trout casinos Aret, Like

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Speaker 2: why are you kidding? Are you trying to jam it

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Speaker 2: all in their rooms?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So anyway, you know what I think I do need

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Speaker 2: is a talk do kill you?

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Speaker 3: Oh god.

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Speaker 2: Much?

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Speaker 4: I love James, Elizabeth Zarn or should I say Regina

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Speaker 4: corn Tower and Zaron. I was listening to your episode

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Speaker 4: on George Leslie and Zaren. You kept calling the money

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Speaker 4: pudding and it reminded me of the MTV show The

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Speaker 4: State with Barry and LaVaughn and two hundred and forty

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Speaker 4: dollars worth of pudding. If y'all get that reference.

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Speaker 2: I knew I loved y'all for a reason.

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Speaker 4: Keep up the great word.

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Speaker 2: Wait the state was one of the best.

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Speaker 3: So many comedy geniuses like most of Reno nine one

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Speaker 3: one on there that is incredible. Definitely got that one.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love that you gave us the

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Speaker 2: That's all we have for today. You can find us

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Speaker 2: online at ridiculous Crime dot com. We're also at Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime on both Blue Sky and Instagram. We're on YouTube

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by dastardly

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Speaker 2: Dave Couston, real Estate Baron of Rhode Island, starring Annale

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Speaker 2: Rutger as Judath. Research is by Chair of the Nevada

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Speaker 2: The theme song is by Irate Beach comber Thomas Lee

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Speaker 2: Mister andre. Executive producers are Gullible Art dealer Ben Bollen

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