1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Now broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe, Gaddy. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: Armstrong, and Jetty and Hee arms Long Getty Strong. We 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: are so lazy. We were still at home. 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: We're vacationing or whatever it is we're gonna do during 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: this week. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: But we're not at work. 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 4: That's right, we're relaxing so we can come back ten 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: rested and ready in the new year, or sat and 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 4: draggled and hung. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: Over in my keys. 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 4: Anyway, enjoy the Armstrong and Giddy replay. 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: You're gonna need a bigger potion. 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: The movie Jaws came out fifty years ago this summer, 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: horrifying swimmers all around the world and hoping to God 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: as you bobbed around in the. 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: Ocean, you did not hear at cello. 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: All right, bought them bottom but it Oh. 19 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: So this is funny. 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: This reminds me of our friend James Lindsay when he 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: and his friends did the Grievance papers. They put out 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: these fake studies. They're incredibly over the top and ridiculous, 23 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: but you couldn't tell them for the real thing from 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: the real thing, because the real thing is over the 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: top and ridiculous to that point, I'm gonna do a 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: mock one. 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: I could switch the mock. 28 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 3: One with the Atlantic piece and you wouldn't be able 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: to tell the difference. But the Atlantic has a piece 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: out today. The film Jaws came out fifty years ago 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: this month. It portrays class divisions differently from the novel 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: that inspired it, in ways that anticipated a fight that 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: has arguably defined American politics twenty sixteen. 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: What Jaws got wrong is the title. I thought it 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: was about the fish bite and peel. It was. 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: It was about a scary shark biting people, and it 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 3: made people think, oh my god, that could happen to 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: me in the ocean. And the end and they catch 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: the shark and it's a bloody finale and blah blah blah. 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: There's nothing else to it but that. That's it. That's 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: the whole thing. 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: Uh. And it's hilarious that The Atlantic is turning it 43 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 3: into some sort of class division and a commentary on 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: today's politics, or it anticipated today's politics, or whatever the crap. Anyway, 45 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: Noah Roffman of the National Review decided to write in 46 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: that style, mocking it. 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: Basically. Charles C. W. 48 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 3: Cook, who Joe and I both really like responded to 49 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: Noah's Peace by saying, I am in awe. 50 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: Let me read a little bit from it. 51 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 3: The character Quint, that's the guy we just heard from, 52 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 3: the guy who owns the boat. It says we're in 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: need a bigger boat. He's the salty old dude. The 54 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: character Quint represents the suppressed male id which struggles against 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: structural and metasocial taboos, prescribing the full expression of the 56 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: archetypical masculine ethos. 57 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: He is consumed by the sleek. 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: White metaphor of sexual equality against which he rages until 59 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: the last minute he bids farewell and adieu, not to 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: those Spanish ladies, but to the shackles of conventional gender roles. 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: Exactly what I thought, exact That's what I took from it. 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, when I watched the Shark movie, I mean, this 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: is no more over the top than the Atlantic piece. Really, 64 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: the drive to open the beaches by the fourth of 65 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: July is a classic expression of American jingoism, and the 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: blood spilled over his rote commitment to commercialism as an 67 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: unremarkable feature of the rapacious capitalist enterprise. I find that 68 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: sort of thing hilarious, and that it is so not 69 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: even this much different from the actual pieces. 70 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: Some of these crazy. 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 4: People write about this stuff right right, so easy to 72 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: bamboozle them if you know the language to throw around. 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: Noah Rothman actually said at the end of he said, 74 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: this is really fun. No wonder so many people do 75 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: it for a living. One more Jaws a portrayal of 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: the monstrous menacing and potentially violet other foreign, indeed alien. 77 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: It haunts its pursuers, dominates their conscience, and is subject 78 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: to abuses and indignities until it meets out the righteous 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 3: vengeance of accumulated transgenerational memory. The Shark is the global South, 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: the black and brown diaspora of the bun Dung Revolution, 81 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: whatever the hell that means. And I'll just give you 82 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: one more that I like Martin Brody. Who is is 83 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: that the h Brody is the police chief, right Okay, 84 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: the weak and crumbling edifice of the post war consensus, 85 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: exhausted and plagued by indecision. He serves as our link 86 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: to the fraying social order of the past. His triumph 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: is pyriic. I mean, it wasn't worth it. Perched atop 88 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: a sinking ship, dealt a mortal blow by the ing 89 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: vanguard of the subjugated and militant. His reprieve from the 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: oppressor's fate will be short lived. 91 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: The Atlantic pea is great. 92 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: The Atlantic piece that I read is so not much 93 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 3: different than that. 94 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just who, dude are It gets to. 95 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: The previous conversation of like Trump and this man, this 96 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: New York mayor dude whatever his name is being in 97 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: on the joke. Is the Atlantic in on the joke 98 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: that they know it's a joke and they're writing it 99 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: for their readers who think it's a. 100 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: Joke, or they all taking it seriously. This crap. No, 101 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: you know. 102 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 4: It crystallized in my head that in the same way 103 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 4: that if you want to like get the tension or 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 4: sell practically anything to a twenty three year old male, 105 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 4: at least in the past, appeal to sexual desire and 106 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: they'll just buy anything. And and to women it's you'll 107 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 4: be beautiful and desirable and people will like you. They 108 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: will freaking buy anything. Appeal to the intellectual vanity of 109 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 4: a certain crowd, and it's mostly on the left. If 110 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 4: you make them believe believing this makes you better and smarter, 111 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 4: than everybody else. They will believe freaking anything, no matter 112 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: how laughable it is. Lendsy and pluck Rose and Bogosian 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: with their experiment. You mentioned the infamous the Grievance Study papers. 114 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 4: I mean they are the best example ever of that. 115 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 4: You could not make it so stupid that the intellectual 116 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: vanity of these people wouldn't make them lap it up. 117 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 118 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: The Atlantic piece is actually about the different political orientations 119 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: of the book versus the movie, and how the movie 120 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: got it wrong in portraying class distinctions as. 121 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: Opposed to the book. 122 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: Nobody watched the movie and came away from it thinking 123 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: about class distinctions at all. It didn't get the more. 124 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: It didn't get them at all. It's a it's a 125 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: it's a horror film. 126 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 4: It's just a short close the beaches, or don't we 127 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: there's tremendous money at stake. That's just a really good subplot, sure, exactly. 128 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: And whether it's a. 129 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: Guy in a hockey mask coming on campers with an 130 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 3: axe or a shark in the water, that's. 131 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: What it is. 132 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: It's got nothing to do with class distinctions or any 133 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: of this other crap. And it didn't foresee our politics 134 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: fifty years later. 135 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: What is wrong with you people? If you were to 136 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: read more of the Atlantic one and then give us 137 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: all an hour to go about our lives, I think 138 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: it would be impossible for each of us to remember 139 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: which one was the parody and which one was realized. 140 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: Is your point, obviously, But yeah, what a bunch of 141 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 4: mumbo jumbo. There are some ideas so ridiculous only an 142 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: intellectual would believe them. 143 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: Thomas Sowell. I'm paraphrasing. 144 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: And talking about the uh. Bro is a recent transplant 145 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: from New York City. This is from the Atlantic, the 146 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: actual piece. 147 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: Brody the character you'ld have just read it and asked 148 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: us which one of us? 149 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: They just guess. 150 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: Brody, the character in the movie, is a recent transplant 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: from New York City in the film, living a seemingly 152 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: idyllic life, and Amity went a home with a home 153 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: on the water. 154 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: Although he is not college educated, What the hell's it 155 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: got to do with me? And didn't anybody even know that? 156 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: His primary virtue is that he defers to people who 157 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: are and it becomes a foil for Amity's working people, 158 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: who in the film are portrayed as unpleasant or obtuosed 159 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 3: and at best well meaning but shortsighted. What are you 160 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: talking about? That was what I said. 161 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 4: I walked out of Jaws and I said, you know what, honey, 162 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 4: the working people are so obtuse in that movie. 163 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: I couldn't enjoy it. Yeah. 164 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: And if you ever go to Universal and we've probably 165 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: most have us done that. 166 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: If you've ever been to Universal. 167 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 3: Studios in Los Angeles and the old Jaws shark comes 168 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: out of the water and you go, ah, it gets 169 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: you kind of wet, that's exactly what you think, the 170 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: obtuseness of the working class. 171 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: That's what you're thinking about. Wow. 172 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 4: Just you know what, you peep a fine, do what 173 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,479 Speaker 4: you I just don't want you in charge of anything. 174 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I used to think that too. 175 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: I don't want you to exist dull, or you need 176 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: to be in a camp or okay, fine, you can 177 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: live your free life is in camp, but you don't 178 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: get to be in college teaching kids this crap and 179 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: convincing him it's true, because that is a problem for me. 180 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: So true. 181 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: Now wow, speaking of delusion, Wow, wow. 182 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it just blows my mind that you watched 183 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: the Shark movie. That's what you came away with. 184 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 4: Well, it's a great example of if you spend your 185 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: all of your time looking for something, you will find 186 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 4: it well, whether authentically or not. It's like the race 187 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 4: of session crowd that sees everything through the lens of race. 188 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they'll cook up. 189 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: You know, examples both real and imagined, of where people 190 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: have racial feelings that aren't very pretty. But if you 191 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 4: don't spend all your time looking for them, like plenty 192 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: of black and brown and pink people. 193 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: All over the world, you're just not worried about it. 194 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: Life is fine. 195 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: I just in my mind conflated the two I was thinking. 196 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: I was about to say in the example of the 197 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: shark as the other representing the brown and black. 198 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: No, that was Noah's things, right, right, Yeah. Did you 199 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: ever have a college class like this? 200 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: This was hot like for our age subliminal message in 201 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: advertising and how they're doing it all the time. And 202 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: I remember the college professor putting up a can of 203 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: coke with the water droplets on it and saying, you 204 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: see how this water droplet is clearly a woman's body, 205 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: and this one is It's no, they're just water droplet. 206 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: It's it's like staring at clouds and you can think 207 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: they are anything. There's no subliminal anything going on here. 208 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: It's just you're making this all up. This is crap. 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: Whatever. 210 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just sound confident and people will buy it, 211 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 4: particularly if you're you know, within the ivied walls of 212 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 4: the university, and if you're angel old youngsters they don't 213 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: know better. 214 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 3: Combined with I just need to remember this because you're 215 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: going to ask me about it on the test. 216 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: So okay, Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show. 217 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: Is the famous sound of dialing up AOL America online 218 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: from back in the day. That was most of our 219 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: entry points and do email for one thing, and then 220 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: any kind of social media. 221 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: Back in the day. You've got mail, thank you, thank 222 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: you for that. 223 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: I how exciting. I probably still have mail on my 224 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,239 Speaker 3: AOL account from so after. 225 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Thirty four years, I think I read as of. 226 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: Today they no longer have a dial up application. They 227 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: still did wow as of today. 228 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: Like two families in rural Tennessee. 229 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, but the most recent statistics I heard 230 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: were from twenty nineteen, where there were still a quarter 231 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: of a million people doing the dial up for AOL. 232 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: They probably also eat rope roadkill and marry their sisters. 233 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: But wow, wait a minute, now, unfortunate cliche, but. 234 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: Hey, sorry Clym, you and your sister wife are going 235 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: to have to get Wi Fi or something because no 236 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: longer dial up for AOL. 237 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: So that's the end of that. 238 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 4: And I remember downloading stuff for the show at the 239 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 4: dawn of the internet, and if anybody called the house 240 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 4: while I was doing it, it completely ruined the whole process, 241 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: which took like fifteen minutes to download, you know, a 242 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: handful of pages worth of text. 243 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly looked there for quite a few years 244 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: that this was never like gonna catch on and be 245 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: that big a deal. 246 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: But little did we know, totally overrated. 247 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: So there's that this is going to be a tease 248 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: for something we will do. 249 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: How much time I got, Michael, I've got about five, 250 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll start here. 251 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: Started on teaching my son to drive over the weekend, 252 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: specifically driving a stick shift. We've done a lot of 253 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: driving living on a farm, like we have twenty acres 254 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: and he's driven all over in various speakles since he 255 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: was I don't know, seven years old. So you can 256 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: just put him in a field with the truck and 257 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: go drive around trying not to hte something. 258 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: Then nothing happens. 259 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: So it's not that he hadn't never driven before, but 260 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: driving a stick shift that that's brand new to him. 261 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 3: This's a vehicle that I bought him five speed, so. 262 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: That was stick He did very hard to find, aren't they? 263 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: He did very very well. 264 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: I was very excited for him, and he seemed to 265 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: really enjoy it, so that was fun. 266 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: Killed it once. 267 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: I said, you're gonna kill it in front of your friends. 268 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: Guaranteed you're gonna kill it in front of your friends, 269 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: and it's going to be embarrassing. 270 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: It happens, You'll be all. 271 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but they don't know how to drive a 272 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: stick probably not. 273 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: For all they know he's a captain captaining the starship Enterprise, right, 274 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: you know, right to be mysterious and difficult, isn't there. 275 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: This is what we're going to do in the One 276 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: More Thing podcast, And if you don't listen to that 277 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: every day after the four hours of radio that we do, 278 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: we do another podcast only thing called One More Thing, 279 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: and you can find it wherever you find Armstrong and 280 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 3: Getty podcasts. Wherever you're finding Armstrong and Getdy on demand well, 281 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: we'll get to this today. There was a survey done 282 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: that I found this interesting as a single guy, the 283 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 3: most attractive hobbies to women that a man can have, 284 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: and they listed him by a lot, like a whole 285 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: bunch of them. And this is legit. It's not a 286 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: dumb survey. The most attractive hobbies to women, the least 287 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: attractive hobbies to women, and we can go through them 288 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: in detail. But I was happy to see that the 289 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: most attractive hobby to women as a percentage, at ninety 290 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: eight point two percent favorability was reading cross dressing cross reading. 291 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: As a reader, I'm. 292 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: Happy you can swap clothes and stuff now reading, as 293 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: it turns out, okay, go on. 294 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: Sing would have an advantage, wouldn't it. If it was 295 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: your size. You'd have to date a guy your size. Yeah, 296 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: so they either have to be well, depending on your size, 297 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,239 Speaker 3: a pretty small dude or well, it depends famously. 298 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 4: Some of the tiny little fellas in the Rolling Stones, 299 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: that's how they got their fashion senses. They swapped clothes 300 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: with their girlfriends. Wow, because dudes were so skinny and 301 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: weedy at that point. 302 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: Have I ever had a girlfriend I could swap clothes 303 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: with I'm pretty sure not because I'm a d cup. 304 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: So we'll get into the list when we do the 305 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: One More Thing podcast. But just why do you think 306 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: reading is the most attractive trait to women? 307 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: What's your theory on that? 308 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not sure I could come up with anything 309 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: that isn't like super obvious. I mean, it shows a 310 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: certain level of mental power, curiosity, intellect. 311 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: So is it basically just I want a smart person. 312 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: His brain works just like shorthand for I want a 313 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: smart person. 314 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: You know. 315 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 4: Interesting about this list and I haven't seen it yet, 316 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: But there's the question of universal acceptance because you said 317 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: it's ninety eight percent or so. But how much enthusiasm 318 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: does it generate? Is it great or is it just 319 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: acceptable to everyone? 320 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Right? Yes, Michael, I. 321 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: Think you're trying to show that you're better in yourself 322 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: and so that you're looking to gain more knowledge. 323 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: You're looking to be a better man. That could be. 324 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: That's pretty good too, That's good astute observation. 325 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: It was do you want the least popular? I don't 326 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: exactly know what I mean. But the hobby they have 327 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: as a hobby manosphere, which is what they call people 328 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: who listen to like Joe Rogan and all those kind 329 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 3: of podcasts and are into that sort of thing. 330 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 4: Well more like the Tait Brothers and some of the 331 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: real misogynist stuff. 332 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: That's the least popular. 333 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: Well, well why would that be popular people that are 334 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: intending it? No, for women, of course, it's not popular. 335 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: Only three point who are your three? You know what 336 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: I like in a guy? Guys who hate me because 337 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: I'm a woman. That's what I really like it. Again, 338 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: you're we contempt for me. It's me and all my 339 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: friends than. 340 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: Dogfighting Jack Armstrong and Joey Armstrong and Getty Show. 341 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 4: So I think we're all aware of dynamic pricing, particularly 342 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 4: if we use like uber Lyft or one of those 343 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: ride shares, So we understand that, you know, when the 344 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 4: football game's getting out, it's going to be more expensive 345 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 4: to get yourself ride than you know, two o'clock and 346 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: your average Tuesday afternoon. But it's much more widespread, much 347 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 4: more sophisticated than I think a lot of us thought. 348 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 4: We were all shocked when Wendy started doing this and 349 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: I got a like. 350 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: Well they talked about it. 351 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: I got it like a twelve dollars Hamburger at six 352 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 3: o'clock one time. 353 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: Really, they denied that they ever implemented it. 354 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 4: I don't think that dam is always so there's a 355 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: little editorializing in this article, but for instance, the word 356 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 4: shady here. 357 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: Instagram has been using a shady AI. 358 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: Algorithm that charges different prices to I'm sorry, instacart. 359 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: Different prices do different customers. 360 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 4: On the same grocery item in the same stores without 361 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 4: telling them, according to a new study released by Consumer 362 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: Reports and another organization earlier this week. 363 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: At a Target store. 364 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: In North Kanton, Ohio, for example, the popular grocery app 365 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 4: charged one customer two ninety nine for Skippy Creamy peanut butter. 366 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 4: I eat organic peanut butter because I'm better than you, 367 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 4: but eat your Skippy if you musks. 368 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: No, I don't like creamy, I like the nuts. I 369 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: like lots of peanuts in my peanut butter. 370 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: I do enjoy the crunchy myself. Yeah. 371 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: So one customer got charged two ninety nine, while other 372 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 4: instacrt users paid as much as three point fifty nine 373 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 4: for the same jar picked up from the same location. 374 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: The same day, the study found. 375 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 3: And my question, of course is how did the algorithm 376 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: decide what did it use to decide to charge more 377 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 3: to some people. 378 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: We will get to that in a minute. Let me 379 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 4: hit you with a couple more examples. It's not just instacart. 380 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: So called dynamic pricing practices have been used by the 381 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 4: ride shares, Las Vegas, convenience stores, children's museums and zoos, 382 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 4: and even your local grocery stores. Whole foods, Amazon Fresh, 383 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 4: and Kroger have already rolled out electronic price tags that 384 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: allow workers to raise shelf prices in a matter of minutes, 385 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 4: and Walmart said it's planning to add the tags two 386 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 4: thousands of stores by twenty twenty six. So you can 387 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 4: change prices on a you know, a pound of flour 388 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 4: or whatever minute to minute if you want. Wow, And 389 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: you could factor in so many different things, including price 390 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 4: elasticity that you know, Thanksgiving morning, somebody getting some flour 391 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 4: off the shelf means they really made a mistake and. 392 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: Mean flower bad and you can charge more for it. Yeah, 393 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: that's a great example. 394 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 4: Well, businesses have always adjusted prices to find the highest 395 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: amounts of customer will fork. 396 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 2: Over like in a broad way. 397 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 4: Now, artificial intelligence, advanced algorithms, massive troves of user data 398 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 4: are allowing companies to be more exacting than ever. 399 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: Quote. 400 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 4: The problem isn't that companies across multiple industries are using 401 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 4: AI for dynamic pricing or even surging surging pricing. The 402 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 4: problem is more around transparency and trust. According to this 403 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 4: consumer advocate, Now we all have benefited from some variable pricing, 404 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 4: like discounts when you buy in bulk at Costco allows 405 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: you to compare Amazon prices to other retailers online, save 406 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 4: money on a plane, tickets and vacations if you book 407 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: off season, that sort of thing. But they say the 408 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 4: problem arises when data collection and algorithms are used without 409 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 4: customers knowledge. 410 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: I feel like there needs to be a different category 411 00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: for some of them. 412 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: These things different levels of objectionable. 413 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 4: Yeah say yeah, wait, here's a for example, the Justice 414 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: Department just settled the case against real estate tech firm 415 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 4: real Page, which I've never heard of, but which allegedly 416 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 4: used completely sensitive information that's a quote to jack up 417 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 4: rents for tenants. So they would they would dive into 418 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 4: all the data they could get and figure out how 419 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 4: much money you got, but why are and whether they 420 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 4: can jack up your rent three hundred dollars instead of 421 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: two hundred for the guy next door. 422 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: But how is this much unless they obtained the information illegally? 423 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: How is this much different than you buy a car 424 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 3: and the guy sizes you up when you walk on 425 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 3: the lot. He looks at what you drove, he looks 426 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: at the way you're dressed. Maybe he makes some small 427 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: talk and figures out what you do for a living, 428 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: and you know, strikes a bargain based on that. What's 429 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: the difference? And that's what car dealers always do, by 430 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 3: the way. 431 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 4: And the most brilliant descriptions of Freedman was to horrific 432 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 4: at this, Milton Freeman. The most brilliant descriptions about the 433 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: free market emphasize the fact that it's an exchange of information. 434 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 4: You can instantaneously know how much willing people are willing 435 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: to pay for something, how much they're willing to sell 436 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: something for, and that information moves at lightning speed through 437 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: the market. It's all about information. It's tough to fault 438 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: somebody for. 439 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: And again, the surveillance state pervasiveness. 440 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 4: Of this is a little creepy, and the secrecy is creepy. 441 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: But if I walk into a store and my neighbor, 442 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 4: poor Jim, who we were joking about earlier. Walk into 443 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: a store and they scan me and say, this dude's 444 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: here for stakes. He's gonna pay whatever the stakes cost. 445 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 4: Poor Jim over there may not buy a steak at 446 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 4: all if it's too high. So we're gonna stick Joe 447 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 4: and let Jim skate a little easier. 448 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 3: I don't know how you could complain about that, really, 449 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: people do jack Furious New Yorkers, for instance, have blasted 450 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 3: the slime balls that's a quote of Uber and Lyft 451 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: for hiking prices when subway lines are shut down during brainstorms, 452 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: reportedly charging eighty dollars for a ten minute ride to work. 453 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: That's a little bit how so, Oh, I guess it's not. 454 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: I guess it's not. 455 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: Well, I guess really, you know, the more I think 456 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: about it, No, it's not. It's no different than the 457 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: charging more because the football game just got out. 458 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well here's well right, Yeah, here's a head 459 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: scratcher than a WT effort. People have been reporting being 460 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: charged higher Uber fares when using a personal credit card 461 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: instead of a corporate one. 462 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: I don't know why that would be. I would seem 463 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: like the office. 464 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would expect scratcher here's the wtffor advocacy group. 465 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: Consumer Watchdogs suggested and report a report that Uber might 466 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 4: charge users more if they have low phone batteries. The 467 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 4: idea is seeming to be the customers are more likely 468 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 4: to pay higher prices when they're desperate. 469 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: Oh, the company denies this. 470 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 3: I feel like this is being pitched to dumb people 471 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: that don't understand the free market in terms of being 472 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: you know, this is something you should be angry about. 473 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: What this is pretty much every interaction I've ever had 474 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: when you're trying to buy some Now, you know, it'd 475 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: be new that prices change on the store shelves on 476 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: a minute by minute basis, But for bigger items, the 477 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: items that cost more, that put more of a dent in, 478 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: you know, in your net worth. It's always been that way. 479 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole selling a car, they size 480 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: you up. Or if I'm selling a car, I get 481 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 3: a sense from the guy, you know what he can afford, 482 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 3: how desperate he is, and you know how desperate am 483 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: I to make the sale? Or am I willing to 484 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: wait and see who else I can get? I mean, 485 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: all those interactions are going on all the time, right. 486 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 4: I think people are a little offended by the information imbalance, 487 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 4: because you know, you work that out through negotiation. I'm 488 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 4: not going to haggle with the cashier over the price 489 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 4: of my grapes and my you know whatever, paper towel. 490 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 4: They have much more information than I do. And if 491 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 4: they're charging the guy next to me, literally the guy 492 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 4: next to me five dollars less for a steak than 493 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 4: they are me, that pisses people off. I don't know 494 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 4: if it should, but it does. Cash registers at convenience 495 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: stores in Las Vegas casinos have been raising the price 496 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: of bottled waters, flavored drinks, sun screen, and candy, et 497 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 4: cetera on a daily and even hourly basis, sometimes leaving 498 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 4: the cashiers just as surprised as the customers at the price. 499 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 3: So we were at Caesar's Palace and we got there 500 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 3: kind of late, and we were eating, and this is 501 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: like ten o'clock at night, and we were all just 502 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 3: so thirsty. 503 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: For some reason. I said, I'll get three bottled waters. 504 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: She said, that's the thirty three dollars. 505 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 3: I said, thirty three dollars for three bottled waters. She said, yeah, 506 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: they're nine. I said, well, we'll drink, we'll find a 507 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: fountain somewhere we pass, and I wonder if that was 508 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: some sort of dynamic pricing. People are drinking and been 509 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: smoking cigarettes all day long. It's late at night, they're thirsty. 510 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 3: They'll pay anything, any dynamic pricing. There's no way at 511 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: ten o'clock in the morning, they're charging ten bucks for 512 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: a bottled water. 513 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 4: I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you wouldn't think, like 514 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 4: I've done this before. 515 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: It's probably I don't know what I think of this, 516 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 3: but I've done it before, like dealing with a car 517 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 3: individual or a car lot. Hey, how you doing. You know, Okay, 518 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: it's been a rough year, but I need a car. 519 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna come up happy and do 520 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: it well. You know, my kid needs a liver and 521 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: all these different things. 522 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: I got a limp. Wow. Wow. 523 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 4: So more than they've got dozens of attractions, children's museums, 524 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 4: zoos aquariums. They use the software provider digit x to 525 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: power dynamic pricing based on everything from weather to capacity constraints, 526 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 4: and even Google Analytics search patterns. During the week of 527 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 4: June eight, for instance, the Seattle Aquarium offered out of 528 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 4: state adult admission prices as low as thirty seven to 529 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 4: ninety five for dates later in the month, and as 530 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: much as forty six ninety five for walking tickets that week. 531 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 3: See that just sounds like flat out free market capitalism. 532 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: I got no problem with, yeah, as opposed to if 533 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 3: the airlines somehow are getting my information, because I don't 534 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 3: want any of my information out there. But you know, 535 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: like the agreements Katie was reading last hour, sometimes you 536 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: sign up for Netflix or whatever you're signed up for 537 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: and they get to snatch all your information. 538 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: You got no choice. 539 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: But if the airlines, you know, are getting information I 540 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 3: don't want them to have and charging me based on 541 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 3: they know how much money I make, how much I spend, 542 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 3: I pay off my credit card every month, blah blah 543 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 3: blah whatever these I don't like that. 544 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: I don't want them to have that information to start with. Well, yeah, 545 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: but you see you clicked on. I agree, Yeah, you know, 546 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. We got to work that out somehow. 547 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 4: Because I know the airlines for their app users say, 548 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 4: for instance, hey Joe not real price sensitive. 549 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: So let's show him a Let's go ahead and show 550 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: him that higher price. See if he clicks. 551 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 4: If not, maybe maybe we loadered a little bit when 552 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: he comes back. And so I've heard you should not 553 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: sign in, you should clear your cookies. 554 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 2: But I have so many subscriptions to so many things. Yeah, 555 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to clear my cookies. So much of 556 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: a pain in the butt. 557 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: Definitely the Armstrong and Getty Show. 558 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, more Jack your show, podcasts and our hot Lakes. 559 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 5: Japan is grappling with a grizzly problem deadly bear attacks. 560 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 5: A record twelve people have been killed in more than 561 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 5: one hundred bar encounters since April alone, and issues so 562 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 5: serious the country's pacifist military has taken the extraordinary step 563 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 5: to deploy forces to the northern Akita Andy Watte prefectures 564 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 5: armed with shields, bear spray and traps. 565 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: Watch out, bears are going to go Pearl Harbor on you. 566 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: What they got to National Emergency Bear attacks? Yeah, in Japan, 567 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: exactly right, there's one. Yeah, Japanese bear attack. The name 568 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: of my new band. 569 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 4: We're going to tour with Toad the Wet Sprocket and 570 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: what's another good multi word panic at the disco. Yeah, 571 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: you know, in an all wordy band festival. 572 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: Japanese bear attack. What an interesting situation. 573 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: They rarely used their military for anything. We trained for 574 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 3: a Chinese invasion or attack in the United States. Again, 575 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: we trained for all these things, but uh, and got 576 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: a lot of how to handle bears. 577 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: While we're watching China, our bears rose up. 578 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Donald J got very little credit 579 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 4: when he was in Asia a couple of weeks ago 580 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 4: for browbeaten a number of our allies. To spend more 581 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 4: on defense for God's sake, to get beefed up, gets 582 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: strong because they're gonna need it because of bear attacks. No, no, 583 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: I was thinking more in terms of China. 584 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 3: But couple of things I want to get on before 585 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: we have to take a break again. I do want 586 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 3: to get into this person from the Heritage Foundation that 587 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: resigned yesterday, so unhappy about the leader of that conservative 588 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: organization backing Tucker and Nick Fuentes the way he did. 589 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: Now he has apologized even further. That's quite the interesting 590 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: inter intra conservative argument that's going on there. 591 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 4: But and it's kind of a cool thing too, because 592 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: we police are crazies unlike the left. 593 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: We've been talking about. 594 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: Affordability is like the word of the last forty eight 595 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: hours with the election, everything like that Trump administration just 596 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: announced there's going to be a big weight loss drug. 597 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 2: Price announcement coming today. 598 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 3: That is classic Trump, right there, nation of fat people 599 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: who want their fat drugs cheaper, that's what Trub's thinking, 600 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: And I'm going to announce that we're going to cut 601 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: those way down and you can afford your don't be 602 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 3: fat drug. 603 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: That's a nice way to step on yesterday's headlines. Yeah, yeah, 604 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: that's a good one. 605 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: Came across this who's in charge of security at the 606 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 3: Louver me? The Louver Museum's surveillance password was Louver. Holy crap. 607 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: They shouldn't have put me in charge because that's the 608 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: way I do things. Isn't that something. 609 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: That's like the guest password at your dentist's office? 610 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,239 Speaker 3: Right? 611 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: You know? 612 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: Wow, and that's the security password. That's pretty funny. How 613 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: much time I got, Michael, depends how you keep eating? Yeah, 614 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: about one minute, though. 615 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: I know we came up with a word for this, 616 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: when you're flummixed by some sort of technical thing and 617 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: you just and it's the feeling you get when you're 618 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 3: having that, it's just it's its only unique feeling. 619 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: I think we decided on texhaustion. 620 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: I was trying to pay a bill online yesterday and 621 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: you go. You had to go through like and you 622 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: have to pay it this way. And I had to 623 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 3: go through like ninety steps to get to the end. 624 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: It took probably fifteen minutes at least. Wow, you know, 625 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: press one for this, press two for that. Then they 626 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: say it and blah blah blah. And at the end 627 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: it was we'll send you a code. You have to 628 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: type in the code to show that you and you 629 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: know this is the right phone. And every time I 630 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 3: typed in the code, it would read back the wrong numbers. 631 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: I would type in six oh three nine, and it 632 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: would say five oh two six is the wrong number. 633 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: That's not what I typed in, you bastards. 634 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 3: Anyway, I did it like three or four times that 635 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 3: I was getting so mad. I thought I was gonna 636 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 3: punch a hole in the wall. That feeling is my 637 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: least favorite feeling. 638 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, the scourge of the modern man. 639 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: There's nobody to complain to. Armstrong Engetty store is open. 640 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 3: So some of you buy stuff for your family or 641 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: friends for Christmas, if they're fans of this here radio program. 642 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: It's just har I feel like it's one for me. 643 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 3: I feel like it's one of those great excuse me, 644 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: easy gift, checked it off, didn't cost you much, straight 645 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: from the heart, seems like you did something nice. It 646 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: was really there will be laughter, tears, hugs. You will 647 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: be the bell of the ball. You go to the 648 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty store, and Hanson, who runs a damn thing, 649 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: is really pushing people to do it soon to make 650 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: sure you get everything in time for Christmas. There was 651 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: some talk about the Armstrong and Getty pickleball paddles. I 652 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: thought it was pretty funny that we had them, and 653 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: then there were some complaints about them, and Hanson brought 654 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 3: one in and I don't have any idea what a 655 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: really high quality pickleball pedal is like. 656 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: I have them. 657 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: I bought mine at Large five, I think, But they're 658 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: just like this. There's nothing wrong with this. This is 659 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: perfectly one. Unless you like, get serious serious about pickleball, 660 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: this is gonna be absolutely fine. What is wrong with this? 661 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: This isn't doesn't feel like cheap Chinese crap. It feels 662 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: like something quality to me. I like everything about it, 663 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 3: and it comes with this cool carrying case. Although they're 664 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 3: sold out, so they're I don't know why I'm even 665 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: talking about it. We're sold out of the pickleball pedals Armstrong. 666 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 3: You get a pick a ball, but not anymore. They're 667 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: gonna be back. But anyway, I go to the store 668 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: and see what we got. 669 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, we put the lash to the Chinese slaves and 670 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 4: they made several more of them. 671 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 3: What if we had adult items like the thing people 672 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 3: were throwing on WNBA courts at one point. 673 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: Like marital aids. We'll go on it for novelty purposes 674 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 2: only take a and G to bed. Yes, I love 675 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: that idea anyway, and you know, we need to branch out. 676 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: We need to have more things. 677 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 4: They're probably not as popular as the hoodies, including the 678 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 4: New Conscience of the Nation hoodie Uh, the Star of 679 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 4: the Lazy Stupid should hurt stars including the f yolickin 680 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 4: Party which I wear proudly, or stocking stuffers, ang coasters, decals, uh, 681 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 4: coffee mugs, stainless steel water bottle, or the get your 682 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 4: Words Straight jack No, look that solid Armstrong and getty 683 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 4: dot com. 684 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 2: Anyway, that's enough of that. 685 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out what to do for my 686 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: kids this year. They're definitely the age. They're almost fourteen, 687 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 3: almost sixteen, they're definitely past the age of more cheap 688 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 3: Chinese crap. There's just no reason so either an experience 689 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: or like accumulate the money into one actually worth something gift. 690 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 2: I think this year. 691 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: God, when they're younger, it's just endless piles of cheap 692 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: Chinese crab is what they get when they're little kids, 693 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 3: and they're delighted, and that's fine, and it is cheap, 694 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: but it well, it was always interesting to me that 695 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 3: we would give our kids the same beloved toy that 696 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 3: we had, but you'd take it out of the package 697 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: and instead of feeling like it could last, you know, 698 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 3: one hundred years. 699 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cheap Chinese crab. 700 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely China definitely the modern version of something you 701 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: played with as a kid that is just so flimsy 702 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: and light and poorly made, exactly. 703 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty show. 704 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 705 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: Morja Rgio Podcasts and our hot links.