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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to Could Happen Here. We are taking a

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Speaker 1: week off and I've chosen a rerun episode from June

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. It was my episode about the

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Speaker 1: media bias in covering Palestine and Israel. Unfortunately, this is

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Speaker 1: an evergreen topic, so I think it's worth re listening

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Speaker 1: to just a reminder of how unfair and irresponsible journalism

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Speaker 1: can be when it comes to Palestine in particular.

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Speaker 2: So enjoy, Hi everybody.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you served Jesus Charene.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought that's what Sophie said I should do.

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Speaker 3: I should I know you did the right thing. I'm

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Speaker 3: the one being an asshole here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well this is Scharene. This is also it can

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Speaker 2: Happen Here. It's a podcast that happens every day that

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Speaker 2: I am now on you did? What is it about again?

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Speaker 2: It's about everything happening here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's about everything happening here. And this week's episode

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Speaker 3: is about my neighbor Dave, who appears to be gardening. No,

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Speaker 3: that's not what this show is about.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: No, what society is crumbling and how maybe we could

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Speaker 4: put it back to here?

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Speaker 2: There it is? That's what. Yeah, that's what that's what

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Speaker 2: it is about.

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Speaker 4: Wanninis is going to take lead today, but we also

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Speaker 4: have Christopher Long, Robert Evans, and it is me Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's good. See that. This is what I'm going

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Speaker 2: to keep in mind next time if you ever have

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Speaker 2: to do this again. Like what intruing this show means?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is a daily show, so I have

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Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities to get this right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do something a little different today, So

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Speaker 2: hopefully the listeners are okay with it. Uh, be easy

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Speaker 2: on me.

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Speaker 5: Well, and if they're not, we will simply club them

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Speaker 5: into submission.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I appreciate that. I live for violence.

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Speaker 3: That that is why we've spent half of our year's

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to take a couple episodes to talk

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Speaker 2: about something very important that I don't think it's a

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Speaker 2: lot like enough news coverage, and I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about Palestine, and this first episode I wanted to focus

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Speaker 2: on how bias news coverages as far as depicting what's

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Speaker 2: happening in Palestine and Israel. So that's what we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about today. So are you ready? Are you

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Speaker 2: all strapped in? I'm gonna start talking at you guys

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Speaker 2: for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: Okay. At the height of the twenty fourteen war between

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Speaker 2: New York Times ran an article headlined Israel says that

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Speaker 2: Hamas uses children's shields, reviving debate. It was a reference

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Speaker 2: to the hundreds of Palestinian civilians who had been killed

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Speaker 2: and there was no question about who had killed them,

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Speaker 2: yet the language shifted the subject to a debate about

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Speaker 2: who was really responsible. A few weeks earlier, after an

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Speaker 2: ran another absurd title titled missile at beachside Gaza Cafe

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Speaker 3: And they later found them Huh wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they found them poise just sitting there.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. People talk about the exonerative case in like journalism,

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And they did later amend this title because

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Speaker 2: they had like a widespread like backlash and discuss that

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Speaker 2: But the whole point is that headlines matter, and it's

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Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, there is a study titled fifty Years

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Speaker 2: This firm analyzed nearly one hundred thousand news headlines about

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Speaker 2: So one of the studies authors, Oya sahir He, told

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Speaker 2: The Intercept that the findings demonstrate a persistent and bias

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Speaker 2: in coverage of the Israeli Palestinian issue, one where Israeli

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Speaker 2: narratives are privileged, and where despite the continued entrenchment of

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Speaker 2: to more critically evaluate the scope of coverage of the

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Speaker 2: a heavily filtered rendering of the issue. So this study

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Speaker 2: analyzed fifty years of news headlines on the Israeli Palestine conflict.

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Speaker 2: I put that in quotes. I feel like conflict is

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Speaker 2: suggests an equal.

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Speaker 6: Also like understating it, yes, exactly, come on, yeah, it's

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Speaker 6: very Uh, it's understating what's actually it's happening, And it

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Speaker 2: But it's not for sure. But the study analyzed fifty

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Speaker 2: natural language processing, or NLP, and these techniques are used

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Speaker 2: to analyzed massive databases of headlines published over this period.

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Speaker 2: identified dozens of frequently recurring terms and word sequences and

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Speaker 2: stories about the Israel and Palestine. While studies of media

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Speaker 2: coverage Israel and Palestine have been conducted before, this one

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Speaker 2: and most comprehensive look at headline coverage since the occupation

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Speaker 2: clear slant towards the Israeli perspective. Headlines like the one

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Speaker 2: two and a half times more likely to appear than

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Speaker 2: headlines citing Palestinian equivalents. Headline centering Israel were published four

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Speaker 2: And since nineteen sixty seven, that's the year that the

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Speaker 2: ninety three percent. And while this is maybe subtle from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's very noticeable ones you realize what

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Speaker 4: when you see just just the headline of an artisticalis

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I don't know, Like, what you have

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Speaker 3: like weather. Like that's that's almost how they write about

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Speaker 3: like a thunderstorm came in, right, Like it's nobody's fault.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also like legitimizes Israel and like delegitimizes any

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because the US media actually does a better

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of crossover with US police

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Speaker 2: fact that there are so many videos like blatantly showing

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Speaker 2: But yeah, despite this ongoing American involvement, the total volume

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Speaker 2: an overall decline since the nineteen ninety three Oslo Peace Accords.

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Speaker 2: This was a negotiate agreement between the then Palestine leader

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Speaker 2: Israeli extremist assassinated Rabine and a new hardline Israeli leader,

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Speaker 2: media attention has declined. And it's not just American media

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Speaker 2: that shows a clear bias that favors Israel. British media

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Speaker 2: Media Marketing the CFMM, published a forty four page report

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Speaker 2: that was titled Media Reporting Palestine twenty twenty one, and

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Speaker 2: this report came after two weeks of violence in which

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Speaker 2: Israeli police cracked down on protests against the eminent evictions

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Speaker 2: This report came after two weeks of violence and in

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Speaker 2: you guys remember, but in twenty twenty one last year,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of violence occurring in Palestine. There

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Speaker 2: But the brutal escalation of violence that followed as rockets

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Speaker 2: It's just like yeah, it's definitely not presented in an

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's you know, as is always the frustration

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Speaker 2: There's no, there's not even an option for balanced journalism

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Speaker 2: And we're back, hopefully that was and if not, well

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Speaker 2: that's what you get. But I want to bring up

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Speaker 3: No, I just was apologizing for calling the audience motherfuckers. Oh,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. Also be nice to me.

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Speaker 2: another episode entirely. I won't get into it, but it

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Speaker 5: Like I feel like clashes also is it's just any

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Speaker 3: Funny, I mean, a clash is fine, like if you're

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Speaker 2: No, but you're right, I think, especially if you're talking

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Speaker 3: Yeah that is. Yeah, it's yeah.

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Speaker 5: Or it's like you're tear guessing someone in a moss

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Speaker 3: No, this is a chemical weapons attack. Like what Yeah,

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Speaker 2: What's really ironic, too, is that that mosque and that region,

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Speaker 2: emphasis on religion. That's a good segue. Look at that,

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Speaker 3: It's pronounced sega okay.

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Speaker 2: The report found that nearly two thirds of ninety nearly

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Speaker 2: two thirds of ninety clips in this timeframe referred to

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Speaker 2: Palestinian's religion, in some cases explicitly just saying that they're Muslim.

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Speaker 2: One ITV report from a tenth reference Sirens, which to

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Speaker 2: quote Jewish worshippers at the Western Wall to flee and

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Speaker 2: run for cover, and Palestinians using the quote third Holy

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Speaker 2: Yest Saitian Islam as a base to throw stones at

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Speaker 2: Israeli police. And while religious significance may be important to

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Speaker 2: note at times, journalists I believe should avoid implying this

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Speaker 2: religious motivation unless it's necessary, because it portrays the history

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Speaker 2: of Israel versus Palestine as anything other than Setlar colonialism.

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Speaker 2: If it's a religious dispute, then it's just like a

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Speaker 2: far away, decades, centuries long fight that there's nothing we

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Speaker 2: can do about it. Our hands are in the air.

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Speaker 2: But really it's really simple. It's just settler colonialism and

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Speaker 2: skewing you as anything. Any kind of religious conflict is

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Speaker 2: very purposeful to get people not to care and get

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Speaker 2: people not to think that there's a solution. And as

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Speaker 2: I said, not only that's this false religious narrative, that it

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Speaker 2: ignores the existence of persecution also of Palestinian Christians, because

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Speaker 2: not all Palestinians are most like there are Palasinian Christians

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Speaker 2: and Palestinian Jews, but it ignores their existence and in

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Speaker 2: their persecution by Israel, and it furthers the narrative that

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Speaker 2: there is a centuries long religious war that is too complex.

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Speaker 2: That word is always used in this conflict. Conflict again,

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Speaker 2: I hate that word, but it's always used to describe

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Speaker 2: what's happening. It's too complex to talk about or understand

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Speaker 2: when instead it's opposite. It's the opposite. It's simple. It's

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Speaker 2: an oppressor and there's an oppressed Israel as an apartheid

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Speaker 2: state that has been ethnic cleansing Palestinians and stealing their

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Speaker 2: land ever since it was established. And I'd even say

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Speaker 2: that war and conflict, it's not a fair fight. It's

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Speaker 2: not an even word. And we've been witnessing in genocide

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Speaker 2: that has been occurring in Israel since it was established,

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Speaker 2: and there's a clear oppressor and a clear oppressed. Any

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Speaker 2: kind of wording that implies otherwise is a lie. Let's

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Speaker 2: go on to Gaza for a moment, and the headlines

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Speaker 2: that describe what's happening in Gaza. There are multiple examples

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Speaker 2: the problematic language and framing regarding violence in Gaza. An

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Speaker 2: article in the Sun on May twelfth of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: one was titled fifteen kids massacred in Israel Hamas conflict

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Speaker 2: as nan Yahoo warns, we will inflict blows you couldn't

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Speaker 2: dream of. This headline failed to mention that fourteen of

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Speaker 2: the fifteen children that were killed were Palestinian because reading

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Speaker 2: it and implies that those children are all Israeli and

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Speaker 2: Palestinians are monsters. That's not the case. And then on

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Speaker 2: the seventeenth of May of twenty twenty one, i Knews

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Speaker 2: reported that forty two Palestinians died over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: They died over the worst that's said, like heart failure, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You would like fuck you. It failed to mention is

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Speaker 2: that all of those deaths were Palestinians and Gaza that

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Speaker 2: were killed. Because died does not give the same impression

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Speaker 2: as murder. If you swap out the truthful word at

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Speaker 2: any of these headlines, it makes a huge difference for

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Speaker 2: people that only see these headline like forty two Palestinians

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Speaker 2: died is not the same as forty two Palestinians were murdered.

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Speaker 2: There's a huge connotation difference for the people that just

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Speaker 2: read something and move on, and popular headlines tell us

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Speaker 2: time and time again, just like this, that Palestinians have

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Speaker 2: died while stating that Israeli's, on the other hand, were killed.

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Speaker 2: Israelis don't die, They're always killed. Palestinians they always die,

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Speaker 2: though they're never killed. There's a huge misproportion of those

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Speaker 2: two words being used for those sides. Christopher brought up

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Speaker 2: earlier about like passive voice in journalism and saying Palestinians

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Speaker 2: died is another example of that. And biased media outlets

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Speaker 2: use this passive voice and they avoid specifying in its

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Speaker 2: headlines who was killed and who was responsible if it

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Speaker 2: portrays Israel as the aggressor. The use of passive voice

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Speaker 2: that deemphasizes or hides those perpetrating such negative action on Palestinians,

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Speaker 2: and this has the rhetorical effect of minimizing the responsibility

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Speaker 2: of Israelian agressors and causing Palestinian suffering. A lot of

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Speaker 2: headlines also refer to the Israeli military while referring to

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Speaker 2: Palestinian groups as militants or Islamists, which implies differences in legitimacy.

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Speaker 2: Like we mentioned earlier, there are also headlines describing Israeli

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Speaker 2: air strikes of having come quote after hamas rocket attacks,

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Speaker 2: but this ignores that the violence from Israeli settlers and

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Speaker 2: police in Jerusalem preceded those rocket attacks. It's like starting

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Speaker 2: in the middle of a fight where you punch in

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Speaker 2: self defense, and that's where the artica starts, like you

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Speaker 2: punch someone, not the person that punch you first. Maybe

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Speaker 2: that's a bad example, but it's just thinking of it

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Speaker 2: that way. You're starting in the middle of a timeline

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Speaker 2: versus the beginning. And Hamid told the Middle East Eye

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Speaker 2: that the media narrative erases history, contexts, and legitimacy of

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Speaker 2: the Palestinian cause by presenting Palestinians as the aggressors and

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Speaker 2: israel as acting in self defense when it is quite

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Speaker 2: the opposite, and I can't talk about Palestine or is

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Speaker 2: Reel without mentioning the anti semitism claims that a lot

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Speaker 2: of people bring up every time you mentioned Palestine. Other

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Speaker 2: instances of skewed media coverage, they included articles that conflated

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Speaker 2: pro Palestine activism with anti Semitism. There was an article

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Speaker 2: in The Telegraph that said that demonstrators in London that

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Speaker 2: were in support of Hamas were therefore anti Semitic because

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Speaker 2: the group was committed to the elimination of Jews, which

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Speaker 2: is not correct. I don't agree obviously with everything that

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Speaker 2: Hamas does, but you have to keep in mind that

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Speaker 2: no one else is fighting for Palestinians, and desperate times

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Speaker 2: desperate measures, and there's no there's never a reason to

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Speaker 2: excuse any kind of murder of any anyone that's unarmed

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Speaker 2: or innocent. But against David and Goliath, what choic does

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Speaker 2: Palestine have if no one in the international community is

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Speaker 2: coming to the rescue.

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Speaker 3: And UH and everyone who anyone who supports any military

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Speaker 3: action anywhere supports the kind of collateral damage that Hamas does,

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Speaker 3: they just support it under different circumstances and with different

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Speaker 3: weapons systems. Doesn't make it okay to fire rockets blindly

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Speaker 3: into a city, but the United States Air Force fires

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Speaker 3: way more rockets just as blindly into way more cities.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, war is horrible, it's fucked up and bad.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't say anything about the broader cause. Like, sure,

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Speaker 3: certainly you can have you know, whatever. There's moral condemnation

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Speaker 3: to be had for military leaders with Hamas, as there

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Speaker 3: is for the military leaders with any militant force, and

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Speaker 3: for you know, some of the soldiers doing some of

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Speaker 3: those things. But at the end of the day, it

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Speaker 3: says nothing about the overall righteousness of the cause, because

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Speaker 3: there's not a discrepancy in the willingness to accept civilian

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Speaker 3: casualties between Hamas and Israel. They're both very willing to

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Speaker 3: accept civilian casualties in pursuit of their goals. So you

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Speaker 3: have to set that aside when you're trying to determine

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Speaker 3: is what is happening here and where is righteousness? And

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Speaker 3: I think righteousness overall lies on the side being ethnically cleansed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very well said. I think it's a good place

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Speaker 2: to take an ad break.

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Speaker 3: And that's you know, who also condones heavy civilian casualties

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Speaker 3: in pursuit of their goals the good people.

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Speaker 5: But that works too.

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Speaker 3: That does also work. Honestly, has gotten a lot more

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Speaker 3: people killed than Hamas right, Like, I can't to be fair,

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Speaker 3: they may have gotten more people killed than the Israeli military.

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Speaker 3: Guy has cost a lot of bloodshed over the years.

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Speaker 2: Sikes.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, here's our sponsors that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're back for the break. We're talking about Propellestinian

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Speaker 2: activism being complained with anti Semitism, and I want to

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Speaker 2: bring up this quote from a Daily Mail column commentator

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Speaker 2: rich little John stated that anti Semitism, like COVID, comes

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Speaker 2: in waves. This is the Palestinian variant. Excuse me.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Sometimes I just have to like read that.

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Speaker 2: And really just remember what planet I'm on. But this

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Speaker 2: research also mentions examples of insufficient challenge to views in

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Speaker 2: broadcast interviews. This included a Sky News interview with Sizzippy

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Speaker 2: hote Levi Hotevelli, the Israeli ambassador to the UK, failing

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Speaker 2: to sufficiently answer or be challenged on questions about ethnic

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Speaker 2: cleansing and schech Rah. She has previously described herself as

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Speaker 2: a religious right winger and has referred to the nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty eight displacement of seven hundred and fifty thousand Palestinians

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Speaker 2: as a place no listen. She describes it as a

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Speaker 2: quote strong and popular era lie. This is the Israeli

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Speaker 2: ambassador to the UK.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, there's a lot that's frustrating here. What

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Speaker 3: is that? Like, you do have to take some care

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Speaker 3: when you particularly when you talk about the media complicity

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Speaker 3: in like pushing the Israeli narrative and all of the

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Speaker 3: different things like apak that like fund US politicians and whatnot,

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Speaker 3: because like it is, you do have to be careful

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Speaker 3: to not like vere end its conspiracy territory, and you

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Speaker 3: have to be careful with the sources that you pick,

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Speaker 3: because since a lot of mainstream news doesn't cover it,

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Speaker 3: you find some of this written about by people who

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Speaker 3: are definitely not the folks you want to have on

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Speaker 3: your side. But that doesn't make talking about this anti semitic.

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Speaker 3: It just means that the entire discourse is poisoned because

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Speaker 3: of the way the internet functions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, no, good point. I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: expand because I will restate it in a worse way.

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Speaker 2: But that quote just really baffles my mind. Especially because

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Speaker 2: this person has a lot of power as an ambassador,

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Speaker 2: but she's also been accused of holding racist and Islamophobic

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Speaker 2: views and has express support for the annexation of the

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Speaker 2: entire illegallyccupied West Bank.

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Speaker 1: Mmmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really great stuff there.

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Speaker 3: Something No, it seems like nobody's calling that racist.

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Speaker 5: Though, huh no exactly, Like like you think about the reaction

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Speaker 5: to like to like, hey, yeah, we're we like we

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Speaker 5: want you literally take over all of this landing, Like

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Speaker 5: you can compare that to the reaction to like someone

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Speaker 5: saying from the river to the sea, which like everyone

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Speaker 5: immediately loses their minds and it's just like, yeah, this

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Speaker 5: is the ambassador saying this stuff and nothing happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really unsettling. And having someone like that in power,

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Speaker 2: as I'll mention later with an Yahoo, uh, someone that

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Speaker 2: is so right wing or like, uh extremist, It just

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Speaker 2: like it encourages people like that that in the in

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Speaker 2: the population, encourages the kind of belief system to like

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Speaker 2: expand just like Donald Trump did, Just like Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: did with his fan base or fan.

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Speaker 3: Base, his base but around here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the British report that mentioning or also it reported

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Speaker 2: that Palestinians were regularly asked to answer for the actions

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Speaker 2: of Hamas and recommended that spokespeople for the group should

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Speaker 2: instead be given a platform to respond to allegations. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: you don't see like random Israeli's being asked to answer

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Speaker 2: for murders committed by the idea if it's always very

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Speaker 2: one sided. In twenty twenty one, there was also another

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Speaker 2: study that was conducted by MIT titled The New York

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Speaker 2: Times Distorts the Palestinian Struggle. It was written by Holly M. Jackson,

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Speaker 2: and it was tracking changes in news coverage bias, showing

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Speaker 2: how anti Palestinian bias has persisted in The Times coverage

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Speaker 2: by analyzing its articles during the first and second Palestinian Tafadas,

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Speaker 2: both periods in which Israeli violence far exceeded that committed

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Speaker 2: by Palestinians. Deploying machine learning methods to analyze over thirty

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Speaker 2: three thousand articles, Jackson focused on bias in the language

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Speaker 2: of the Times reporting through two linguistic features. First was

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Speaker 2: to identify whether actions by Israeli and Palestinian groups were

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Speaker 2: being described in the active and passive voice, and the

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Speaker 2: second was to classify the objectivity and tone of the

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Speaker 2: language used. And this content analysis conducted across sixteen thousand

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Speaker 2: articles during the first in Theifada, which was from nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty seven to September nineteen ninety three, it revealed some

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Speaker 2: revealing results. Nearly ninety three percent of these articles reference Israelis,

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Speaker 2: while only forty percent reference Palestinians, and about twelve percent

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Speaker 2: of all references to Palestinians used violent language, as opposed

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Speaker 2: to only five point nine percent for Israelis Palestinians. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: we're referred to in the passive voice nearly sixteen percent

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Speaker 2: of the time, while the passive voice was used only

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Speaker 2: about six percent of the time to describe Israelis. And like,

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Speaker 2: I know this is just like all numbers and percentages

656
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Speaker 2: because we obviously know how bias it is, but I

657
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: think it's helpful to like scientifically mathematically see that this

658
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: is like actually accurate and there's not just like us

659
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Speaker 2: talking about it. This is actually true. So I do

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Speaker 2: believe these studies are very important in show people that

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Speaker 2: might be I don't know, skeptical that this is actually

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Speaker 2: the reality. And then Jackson also highlighted that during this period,

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Speaker 2: the times stable of reporters were filled with those, No,

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Speaker 2: with those with known prejudices like Thomas L. Friedman and

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Speaker 2: John who framed their articles by elevating Israeli perspectives alongside

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Speaker 2: blatant anti Palestinian sentiment. So, like we said, they're giving

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Speaker 2: platforms of people with really clear biases.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, also to Thomas Friedman, famously super fucking bullish

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Speaker 3: on the Iraq War and also very famously said when

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Speaker 3: he was trying to rally support for the Iraq War

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Speaker 3: that the Iraq War was about telling Muslims to quote,

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Speaker 3: suck on this good guy, Tom Friedman, real cool dude, unbiased.

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Speaker 5: They gave this man a pulitzer. I think they gave

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Speaker 5: him multiple of I.

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Speaker 3: Would give him a pulitzer very quickly and thrown overhand. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that makes me sick. Thank you for sharing that.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I know that.

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Speaker 3: Now it's cool. Shit he doesn't talk about that anymore yet,

679
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: that Nate shuts the absolute fuck up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, realizing that was the Iraq War and now

681
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Speaker 2: he's he's still obviously given a platform to talking about Palestine.

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Speaker 2: There's no there's no repercussion or even like red flags

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00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: about this kind of language because it's accepted, and it's

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Speaker 2: very really normalized.

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Speaker 3: It sucks.

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Speaker 2: Yes, headlines surveyed for bias dredged up editorials like quote

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Speaker 2: Israel and Arab neighbors must bend a little no more

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Speaker 2: Palestine end quote, and Israel has controlled little of Palestine,

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Speaker 2: so they're really clearly trying.

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Speaker 3: Jesus frame this in incorrect way, as if, as if

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Speaker 3: Israel's Arab neighbors haven't basically just in Palestine by this point, right,

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Speaker 3: Like it has been pretty much like even this, like

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Speaker 3: people fucking idiot tankies talk about how like Hassad supports them,

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Speaker 3: but he put them into fucking camps. He's like arrested

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Speaker 3: and tortured and killed Palestinian activity.

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Speaker 5: It like it like you know, one of the the

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Speaker 5: thing none of these people ever want you to do

698
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 5: is is google Google what Hafas al Asad was fucking

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Speaker 5: doing and why why why he didn't bring in the

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Speaker 5: air force at a certain very critical moment that.

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Speaker 3: Like famed buddy of Henry K my friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone's friends, everybody's friends, that's what makes politics fun. Yeah. Additionally,

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00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: there is a systematic attempt to highlight petty disputes between

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Speaker 2: Palestinian groups or contradictions and their leader strategy to frame

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00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: Palestinians as irrational or disorganized. And I will say that

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00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: there has been significant changes in US media coverage of

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Speaker 2: a confic, especially in the last couple years, and this

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Speaker 2: is driven in part by popular pressure coming from social media.

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Speaker 2: There are also signs that Israel is becoming a partisan

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Speaker 2: issue that divides liberals and conservatives in the US, with

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Speaker 2: polls showing that growing numbers of Americans would like their

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00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: government to take a more even handed stance on the conflict. However,

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00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: hardline supporters of the Israeli government have seemingly shifted their

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Speaker 2: approach from winning quote hearts and minds to punishing opponents.

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Speaker 2: They've published blacklists of Palestinian activists, they've censored public figures

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Speaker 2: that are vocal about the conflict, they've speared them as

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Speaker 2: anti Semitics, and they've advocated for laws to restrict boycotts

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Speaker 2: of Israeli goods. I want to just take a really

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Speaker 2: quick sidebar to mention that boycotting works. I'll do another

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Speaker 2: episode probably one day about the BDS movement. But BDS

721
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: stands for boycott, divestment in sanctions, and it works to

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Speaker 2: end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure

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Speaker 2: Israel to comply with international law just by boycotting products

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Speaker 2: and companies that are either based in Israel or have

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Speaker 2: products from Israel. And it works because Israel doesn't like it,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's fair Like that's telling that if

727
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Speaker 2: Israel's has a problem with boycotting shit, you should keep

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Speaker 2: doing it. And it's now a vibrant global movement. It's

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Speaker 2: made up of unions, academic associations, churches, and grassroots movements

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Speaker 2: across the world. BDS launch in two thousand and five

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Speaker 2: and it has a major impact and effectively challenging international

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Speaker 2: support for Israeli apartheid and settler colonialism. That's my sidebar

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Speaker 2: about BDS. But nonetheless, people that have followed the US

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Speaker 2: debate on the quote unquote conflict for decades say that

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Speaker 2: there are serious tectonic changes occurring at the level of

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Speaker 2: the American public, both in media and in popular sentiment.

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Speaker 2: Phyllis Bennis, the director of the New Internationalism Project at

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Speaker 2: the Institute for Policy Studies, a DC based progressive think tank,

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Speaker 2: said although news coverage is not even handed and is

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Speaker 2: still generally skewed toward the Israeli perspective. There has been

741
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Speaker 2: a massive shift over the past five years and how

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Speaker 2: this issue is both reported and discussed in the United States.

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Speaker 2: We are seeing a shift in the types of stories

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00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: that are being covered by major outlets as well as

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00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: the stances that public figures are willing to take. There

746
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: are still huge problems, but things are changing. The discourse

747
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: on Israel Palestine is nothing like it was in decades past,

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Speaker 2: which is very true and for me personally, seeing the

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Speaker 2: public discourse change firsthand has been like very surreal and amazing,

750
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Speaker 2: but really surreal because I think a lot of Palestinians

751
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: and Palestinian supporters never thought it would happen, seeing public

752
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: figures talk so actively about being pro Palestine, and even

753
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 2: though this occupation this problem seems insurmountable, outing these quote

754
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: unquote journalists and news outlets is extremely important because if

755
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: public opinion and pressure is strong enough, things have to change.

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00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: And the proof of this is seeing the headline that

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00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: I mentioned at the very top, where the Times change

758
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: their headline because of widespread discussed express on social media

759
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: and speaking up and sharing the truth on social media

760
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: is extremely important, especially if you aren't Palestinian. And especially

761
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Speaker 2: if you live somewhere that is skewing all these news

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Speaker 2: headlines against Palestinians. There's nothing else but your voice left

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00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: and Palestickian voices have been and are continuing to be silenced.

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Speaker 2: And this is not simply a Palestinian issue. It's a

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Speaker 2: human issue that calls for humans to stand up when

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00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: they are witnessing extreme injustice take place and boycotting works

767
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: or else Israel wouldn't be so afraid of it. Choosing

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Speaker 2: to remain silent is choosing the side of the oppressor.

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Speaker 2: You've heard it before, It's true, and I am hopeful

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Speaker 2: with the chains that we've seen in the last few years,

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Speaker 2: with public figures using their platforms to speak out and

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Speaker 2: defend Palestine. I think it's honestly the best use of

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Speaker 2: their platform, and I respect them for that. And I

774
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: know that the concept of celebrity is ridiculous and stupid,

775
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: but I think if you have the platform and you

776
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: have millions of people watching you, using your voice in

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00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: a way to support people that are in danger, and

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00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: like stand up for the oppressed is one of the

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Speaker 2: only things you should do. And people that I respect,

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Speaker 2: this includes Bella Hadid Susan Sarandit, Natalie Portman, Selena Gomez,

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00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: Dualipa The Weekend, just to name a few. These people

782
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: are huge names, they have millions of people watching them,

783
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: and they're not afraid to speak up, especially Bella Hadid recently,

784
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: like every other story she posts on Instagram, is about

785
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: the Israeli occupation, which I really respect. I really respect

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00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: that she has taken such a clear stance and utilizing

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Speaker 2: their platform. It does make a difference of public perception

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00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: because fans that follow her might not follow news or

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00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: anything else. There's just a lot of crossover that I

790
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: think is really valuable. And ultimately, I think using your

791
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: voice is the only right thing to do in any

792
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: alternative or PSI lens is simply cowardice and that's my time.

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Speaker 2: That's what I got today.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you, Sharene. This was pretty bleak

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Speaker 3: but important and.

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Speaker 2: I tried to uplift you at the very end.

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Speaker 3: All of you go go okay.

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