1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: We are so blessed today to have a doctor with us, 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: doctor Joseph Witt Doring. He is with us today and 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: you've probably seen him talking all over about the FDA 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: and medicines that are prescribed to us. You've seen him 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: on social media, on a bunch of different podcasts, so 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: he has expertise here. He's actually a former FDA medical 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: officer too, So we're really excited about having you. 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me today. 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: Tutor, I'm so glad to be here. Thank you for 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: having me on. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely so. 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: As I said, we've seen you in many different interviews. 14 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: We hear you talking about these medicines that I think 15 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: people are interested in hearing about because we have people 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: that in our lives, either we are taking them or 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: people that we love are taking them every day. And 18 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: we've seen this, you know, those of us who have 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: been around it. We've seen the changes in their ability 20 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: to connect, their ability to have an emotional reaction, their 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: ability to have intimacy, and it's devastating, these devastating effects. 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: So I ask you, as someone who was at the FDA, 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: how did these drugs get approved? 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: So I mean, these drugs are and people are often 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: shocked when they hear this what the studies are like 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: to get them approved. So the first thing I usually 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: emphasize is that the studies are only about twelve weeks long, 28 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: and we've never had a randomized controlled trial go longer 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: than a year. And that should be a reason for 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: a lot of people to pause, because we put people 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: on these drugs for a really long time. 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean decades sometimes decades. 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fifty percent of antidepressant users have been on 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: them for five years or more. And the other thing 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: is that that and this is why I do what 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: I do now. Because I worked at the FDA, I 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: got to kind of see behind the scenes and I 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: was just like, this is crazy. And so the other 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: thing that I noticed that really shocking is any depressants 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: are said to be effective by the drug regulators if 41 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: they simply reduce symptoms on a depression scale. Now that's 42 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: therapeutic for some people. But what I want to contrast 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: this against is you know, when you hear the term anidepressant, 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: you might think, well, you know, I'm going to do 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: better in my relationships or I'm going to be doing 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: better in my work or you know, it's going to 47 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: lift me out of depression and it's going to improve 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: my life in these tangible ways. That's not the outcome. 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: The outcome is decreased symptoms on a scale. And obviously 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: you can get that if you essentially just blunt emotional range. 51 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: And so what I really think is important for people 52 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: to know is that antidepressant is a marketing term. People 53 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: kind of can kind of imagine all sorts of things 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: when they hear antidepressant. Essentially, these are drugs. These are 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 3: mood constricting drugs. Yes, that effect can be experienced as 56 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: therapeutic for some people, but it can also hold you 57 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: back and make things worse. I mean, if blunting your 58 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: emotion range, you know, leads to you to staying in 59 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: a job that you don't like, staying in a relationship 60 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: that you don't like, being being blind to legitimate problems 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: or maybe health issues in your life that's actually working 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 3: against you, and I think that message has been lost. 63 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: It's interesting that you bring this up because I was 64 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: just with a girl yesterday and she said her one 65 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: of her friends had a traumatic experience, her mother died 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: in a traumatic way, and that. 67 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Was what she wanted. 68 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: She said, I think at that point she wanted to 69 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: feel nothing, and they put her on these medications, and 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: she said it really did make it so that she 71 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: was not able to feel, and that was what she 72 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: wanted at the moment. It's five years later, she's struggling 73 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: to get off of them, and she said to her friend, 74 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: I can't explain it, but I feel I look at something, 75 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: I know it's sad. I want to have an emotion 76 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: and I cannot have any emotion at all. 77 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that is a really common experience 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: that a lot of people go through. And I just 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: want to say just quickly, these drugs they have their 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: place and we will. And I'm a psychiatrist. I see 81 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: this all the time. People say I took it, it 82 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: was helpful. They'll even say it's life saving. I mean, 83 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: if your life isn't chaos and there's a lot of 84 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: things going on, if you take something that can numb 85 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: you or restrict your emotional range, you will experience that 86 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: as therapeutic. But the issue is, and this is what's 87 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: happened with your friend, is over time, you'll start to 88 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: notice that it's blunting positives and so yes, you're going 89 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: to feel less negatives, but you may not feel the 90 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: same way when you hug a loved one. You may 91 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: not feel the same way when something sad happens and 92 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: you go, I want to cry. You may feel blunted 93 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: to maybe things happening in your relationship. Maybe your wife 94 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 3: is upset, and in the past maybe you would have 95 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: been like, Okay, there's something going on. I can tell 96 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: just by the change her in the way she's responding 97 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: to me that I need to go and talk to 98 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: her because something is festering. If you wipe that out, 99 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: you will you're going to miss and so well do 100 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: you make it. 101 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: I want to stop you there, because you make a 102 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: great point. But a wife can understand you're not doing 103 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: what I need you to do, and that can be 104 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: a conversation. It can be incredibly frustrating, and that person 105 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: may actually still not see it. But there is the 106 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: opportunity for the other adult in the relationship to say, 107 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: something's happening to you, we need to do something about it. 108 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: How is this impacting youth? Because when I was a kid, 109 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: these drugs really were not out there at all. I mean, 110 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: I think in the eighties is when we started to 111 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: see prozac, and I was in high school by the 112 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: time people were actually I was out of high school 113 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: by the time people were really being prescribed this kind 114 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: of medication. So I don't remember these situations happening. But 115 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: I look at kids today and they are completely ignored 116 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: by their parents, and I don't think their parents know 117 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: they're doing it. 118 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: I mean, the impact. If I think about the impact 119 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 3: of these medications on youth, I mean, for me, it 120 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: boils down to some of the messaging that comes along 121 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: with these drugs. Now, let's talk about adolescence. This is 122 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: a very challenging time. You're hormonal, you're navigating relationships for 123 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: the first time. Maybe you're trying to find out your 124 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: purpose and what you want to do in life. In ours, 125 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: you know, in the zeal of the medical profession and 126 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: somewhat the pharmaceutical industry as well, to kind of promote 127 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: the drugs and also promote the messaging that people have 128 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: chemical imbalances and that they need these drugs, we are 129 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: changing the narrative about how people see totally normal problems 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: going through a breakup, devastated, you know, that used to 131 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: be normal. Now it's a chemical imbalance. Dealing with problems 132 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: of social isolation and loneliness. You might fix that in 133 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: the past, Okay, this is something I need to work on. 134 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: You know, you have a chemical imbalance, you know, not 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: certain about what you want to do in your life, 136 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: chemical imbalance. And so some of the issue is it 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: takes like these these smoke alarms, these normal things that 138 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: trouble people, and you know, when you take the drug, 139 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: it recosts it as a brain problem essentially, and people 140 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: are robbed of the opportunity of actually addressing issues. And 141 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: you could just imagine the problems that would have is 142 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: if you just kind of suppress the feelings about problems 143 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: happening in that person's life for like, I don't know, 144 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: ten years or something when they're on it. Eventually they're 145 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: going to have to deal with that when they come 146 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: off the drug later on. And so I personally worry 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: that it's getting in the way of just just general 148 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: maturation and the ability to deal with normal bumps in life. 149 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: Well. And I worry that if you have a parent 150 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 2: that is on these medications. I mean, sometimes my daughters 151 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: come to me with something. I mean just the other 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: night I had one of them had an issue at 153 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: school and she was crying, and my reaction is very emotional, 154 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: you know, and I try. I'm holding it together for her, 155 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: but it is in my head the rest of the night, 156 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: the rest of the week, and I'm checking in with 157 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: her and I'm thinking about I know that you are 158 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: a emotionally hurting right now, and I need to come 159 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: around you and make sure that I'm supporting you through this. 160 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: But if you are on these medications, it is hard 161 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 2: to break through outer your emotions too. So as a parent, 162 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: can you identify when your child is in an emotional 163 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: state if you are not feeling those emotions, and if 164 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: children are in a situation where the parent is essentially 165 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: not bonding to them, what does that do to that 166 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: child as they grow up? 167 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah, and this is something that I have seen firsthand. 168 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: I have parents who tell me, hey, because this is 169 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 3: what I do. I bring people off the medications, and 170 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: they'll say, I had no idea how blocked I was 171 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: to the problems going on with my child. I would be, 172 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: you know, sitting there doing my work at home, and 173 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: they would come home after school and they would say 174 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: things to me, and I would just kind of shrug 175 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: it off completely. Missing that there's emotional problems going on. 176 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: When they come off, they start to notice it a 177 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: lot more and they realize they've they've missed quite a 178 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 3: lot of their child's emotional life. Now, the issue is 179 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: is that the person on the drug rarely realizes that 180 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: they have a problem because essentially you're in a drugged state. 181 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 3: So when it comes to how do you detect if 182 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: this is happening to you? It's so important to have 183 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: someone else, whether it's a spouse or family member or 184 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 3: a very trusted friend, know you're getting on the drug 185 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 3: because they are going to be the ones who will say, 186 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: you know what, you've kind of changed and I know 187 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: your karma, but I think it's actually harming you in 188 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: some ways. And so people need to be warned that 189 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: this can happen at the outset of use. But they 190 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: also need a spotter, you know, someone there who can 191 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 3: just say, hey, you might not realize this is this 192 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: is happening. 193 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: But the problem is they might not care because they 194 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: are in that state. I mean it's like a double 195 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: edged sword because you can go to that person and say. 196 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: Hello, this is not you, this is a totally different you. 197 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: And I mean I've had this experience with people where 198 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: they go, I can't function without this, so this is 199 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: the new me. 200 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: And then where does that leave everyone around them? 201 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: I mean that's a really challenging situation. 202 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: And if you that's why I say, this is something 203 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: that why does the FDA allow this? 204 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: Because the FDA passes this, says it's okay, not our problem. 205 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: This is going to go to the families now, and 206 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: you are telling me, I mean, think about what you're 207 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: telling me. A doctor prescribes something, a non doctor, just 208 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: a loved one around you has to watch you and 209 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: be ready to say okay, it's gone too. 210 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: Far, you're no longer you. 211 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: And yet you're fighting the medical system because the doctor 212 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: is still telling that person, no, you need this drug. 213 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. It's a complicated issue, and I think one 214 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: of the problems is like when we study these drugs, 215 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: as I mentioned before, it's on this depression scale and 216 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: it's for twelve weeks, which is insane to be. I mean, 217 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 3: we should have said, like, if we're going to give 218 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: people drugs that change their mood and personality, because let's 219 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: face it, that's what these drugs are doing. We need 220 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: to measure outcomes. How many divorces are happening between the 221 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 3: two groups. How many people are saying that they're satisfied 222 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: in their job, because like, that's where this is going 223 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: to turn up. You know, when these drugs get in 224 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: the way of you know, your relationship and it can 225 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: lead to breakups. We actually need to be measuring these things, 226 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: and the FDA isn't doing that. And I think you 227 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: make a good argument that, you know, how safe are 228 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: these really if we're not measuring that and we're only 229 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: studying them for three months. 230 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: Hey stick around because we have more with doctor Joseph Wittouring. 231 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: But first I want to talk to you about my 232 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: partners at IFCJ. You guys remember so clearly it was 233 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: almost two years ago that terrorists went into Israel and 234 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis and took two 235 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty hostages. There are still hostages today, and 236 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: it seems like the cries of the dead and dying 237 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: are being drowned out by this anti Semitic hatred. 238 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: You guys see it, We see it all over social media. 239 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: I am shocked by how intense the anti Semitic hatred 240 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: is right now, and this brutal attack on the Jewish people, 241 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: the most brutal attack since the Holocaust. 242 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: It has been forgotten as. 243 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: We have a world that looks away, But there is 244 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: a light right now that shines in this darkness. It's 245 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: a moment of love and support. This is a movement 246 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: for the people of Israel called Flags of Fellowship and 247 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: it's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians in Jews. 248 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: On October fifth, it's just a few weeks away, there 249 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: are going to be millions of people across America that 250 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: will prayer fully plant an Israeli flag in honor and 251 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: in solidarity with the victims of October seven, twenty twenty three, 252 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: and they're grieving families. And you can be a part 253 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: of this movement too. To get more information about how 254 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the 255 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: Fellowship online at IFCJ dot org. That's IFCJ dot org. Now, 256 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: stay tuned, we'll be back right after this. So there's 257 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: a lot of question about not only that, I mean 258 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: you talk about something very critical relationships and how this 259 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: affects people in their home life. But you see a 260 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: lot of violence today, a lot of violence and people 261 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: every time we see violence, they say, was there some 262 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: sort of psychiatric med involved. It's crazy to me because 263 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: we're so in tune to the fact that it could 264 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: be a psychiatric med that you don't ask any more. 265 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: Were they high on coke? Were they drunk? Were they 266 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: high on weed? It's always what. 267 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: Was prescribed to them. Let's get a toxicology report. We 268 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: want to know what was prescribed to them. And I 269 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: was reading earlier about the trans shooter in Nashville. This 270 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: is a young woman who was put on medication for 271 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: depression at six years old. Now, at six years old, 272 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: you cannot tell me that they knew that this child 273 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: was clinically depressed and that there wasn't there couldn't have 274 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: been some other way to get this child through this 275 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: emotional time in their life. But from six on she 276 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: was on medication. 277 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: Is there a. 278 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: Connection between these mass shootings and this mass violence and 279 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: psychiatric meds? 280 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there is a connection. But I have to 281 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: come in and say that this is a multi factorial problem. 282 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: I think we would all. I don't think anyone is 283 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: saying that every single mass shooting that occurs, you know, 284 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: psychiatric drugs involved. Although I get cost as saying that 285 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: sometimes there's issues of social contagion going on, there's issues 286 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: of access to guns, there's issues of drugs being involved, 287 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: and yes, there are issues of people being on psychiatric 288 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: medications which lead to behavioral disinhibition. My position on this 289 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: is that people need to start looking at all of 290 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: these factors, and they don't. They like to sweep it 291 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: away and just say, you know, it's it's guns or 292 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: it's mental illness. We are not looking at this in 293 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: a responsible way in terms of public health, and so 294 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: I'd like to talk about why I believe these medications 295 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: can lead to mass acts of violence and suicide. So 296 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: this is not something that is fringe. If you opened 297 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: the drug labels, you look at ADHD meds in the 298 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: Warnings and Precautions, which is the one of the highest 299 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: sections in the label for the most important risks, it 300 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: says right there it says hostility. That is a really 301 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: common side effect with ADHD medications. If you look at 302 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: drugs like Abilifi, which are antipsychotics, in the label it 303 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: will say homicidal ideation. This has been put in there 304 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: by the drug companies because they have noticed that this 305 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: is a side effect and this has happened. Sometimes if 306 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: you look at the antidepressants, it will say that they 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: increase the risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior. It also 308 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 3: lists aggression, irritability, and hostility in there. Okay, now that's 309 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: not exactly saying in the label these drugs can lead 310 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: to mass shootings. But already you're seeing that for some 311 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: people who are sensitive to these medications. Again, these are 312 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: rare side effects. They're not going to have that normal 313 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: like blunting emotional constricting effect. They're going to have a paradoxical, 314 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: unusual reaction which you cannot predict. It just has to 315 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: do with something about their biology, where they will become 316 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: more irritable, agitated, or aggressive. Again not common. Now, have 317 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: there been cases where this has led to mass acts 318 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: of violence already? And there have been, and these have 319 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: gone before judges and juries. You know, the most well 320 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: known case is Donald Shell. This was over in Wyoming. 321 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: He had previously taken prozac, he had a bad reaction, 322 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: he became worse, and then another doctor, not realizing that, 323 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: put him on a very similar medication called Paxel. They're 324 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: both SSRIs. It never should have happened. If you responded 325 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: negatively to one in the past and had behavioral problems. 326 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: You don't put someone on this again, but that happened 327 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: to him. Within a week of getting on this medication, 328 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: he developed a psychosis. He became homicidal and suicidal. He 329 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: killed his wife, he killed his daughter, and he killed 330 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: his granddaughter. He shot them all and then he killed himself. Now, 331 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: the surviving son in law took this case against smith Klein. 332 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: You know, this is before GSK and the jury found 333 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: smith Klein to be eighty percent responsible for the death 334 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: for failure to warn. He was awarded a million you know, millions. 335 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: I think it was like six million dollars, which was 336 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: a lot in the early nineties. They appealed it, but 337 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: they were not successful and the verdict has stood. And 338 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: this has happened in many other cases. People the media 339 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: doesn't like to talk about this, but in many cases 340 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: when there has been behavioral adverse reactions and it's resulted 341 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: in violence or homicide, they have gone to the courts, 342 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: juris and judges. Objective people have heard the evidence and 343 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: then they have ruled that the drugs have been involved. 344 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: But when you say things like these, this these days 345 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: people say this is you know, this is a myth. 346 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: You're scaring people away from psychiatric medications. You're out there 347 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 3: trying to do harm. There's no way they can do this. 348 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: It's not true. It's in the labels already, it's happening 349 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: in the courts, and we need to look at this 350 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 3: with individual cases, and. 351 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: Because if we knew, then maybe as parents we would 352 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: even react differently. I read that the Parkland shooter had 353 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 2: been on ADHD drugs for many, many years, but his 354 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: behavior hadn't improved. And I think oftentimes teachers will even push. 355 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 2: I've even seen teachers push to get kids on medication. 356 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: So this kid was on ADHD drugs, he was very aggressive. 357 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: The reports from his childhood in the classroom, very aggressive, 358 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: very aggressive with parents, had thrown mom up against the wall. 359 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: Still on these drugs. Clearly, if you've been this aggressive 360 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: in school and you're under the care of a psychiatrist, 361 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 2: which I assume you are, if you're getting these However, 362 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: I will say I've known general practitioners that have been 363 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: able to give out these drugs, and the monitoring is different. 364 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: But I would assume that as a doctor, if you've 365 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: given someone this medication, you would continue to follow up 366 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: and say, how has the behavior changed, And mom and 367 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: dad are saying, my gosh, he's getting in trouble at school. 368 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: He threw mom up against the wall. That didn't change 369 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: the fact that they kept him on these meds. And 370 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: then he went in and there were reports, from what 371 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: I remember, there were reports that he had been saying, 372 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: I have these homicidal thoughts and he went in and 373 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: shot up an entire school. So when you say, you know, 374 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: people don't want to be freaked out about this, I agree, 375 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: But it's this is a fact. This is not like 376 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: a myth. This is not a maybe. This is a fact. 377 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: And parents are afraid every single day that they dropped 378 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: their kids off at the bus stop or at school 379 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: that there is going to be a Parkland kid that 380 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: could go in and do the same thing that this 381 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: kid did. And we deserve to know if these kids 382 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: are on medications that are causing them to have the 383 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: negative reaction that should mean we take them off. 384 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we do deserve to know that. And I think 385 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: really a lot of the time the critics out there 386 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: who have an agenda against having this go out, you know, 387 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: whether it's you know, whether it's a drug company or 388 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: it's the American psychiatric assertion. Any group that has a 389 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: vested interest in the public seeing the drugs in a 390 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 3: favorable way. They almost wield this, oh, you're going to 391 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: scare them away from drugs as it's like a compassionate 392 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: thing to do for society. Society. Really it's a form 393 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: of intimidation against the critics. They want to say, you, 394 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: mister critic, you are dangerous. You know, how could you ever, 395 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 3: you know, spread such a conspiracy theory. But the reality 396 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: is that's not compassionate from a public health perspective, because 397 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: the compassionate thing to do is to be honest about 398 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: what's happening. I mean, you can even say it's rare 399 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: because it is rare, and just say despite this, we 400 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 3: need to start looking at these We need to start 401 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: looking at why is this being missed? You know, because 402 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: that's another issue that you touched on. And sorry. Another 403 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: piece of information is eighty percent of these drugs are 404 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: given out by family medicine physicians. Most people listening right 405 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 3: now will know that they get probably five to seven 406 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 3: minutes of FaceTime with their family doctor, and that is 407 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: how these people are being monitored. And when you are 408 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 3: monitoring someone in five to seven minutes, and you're spending 409 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: half of the time talking about some other health problem. 410 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 3: Are you really going to be able to conduct a 411 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 3: history where you're saying, is this drug making them worse 412 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: in some way? Tell me about their behavior, let me 413 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: call their mom, let me talk to someone at the school. 414 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: What is happening is so none of that happens. They 415 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: just simply assume that the mental illness is worsening, and 416 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: they increase the dose or they add another drug because 417 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: it is expedient and it is faster than really kind 418 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: of digging into things, and so adverse behavioral side effects 419 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: are frequently missed because they are haunted detect in short visits. 420 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. 421 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. On what 422 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: point do you say that doctors should be investigated if 423 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 2: they have a history of having patients just kind of 424 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: load up on drugs. And I'm serious about this, and 425 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: I know people will go, oh, well, you don't know 426 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: what's best for the patient, But I know people that 427 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: they put them on an antidepressant, they put them on 428 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: an anti anxiety, they put them on adderall all three 429 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: of those, and then they end up having a facial 430 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: tick and they have to go on some medication for that, 431 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: and then they end up having high blood pressure and 432 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: they have to go on a medication for that, and suddenly. 433 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: You are trying to patch. 434 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: It's like there's holes in this bucket and you're trying 435 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: to patch every possible place to prove that a medication 436 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: is doing something good while it destroys every other part 437 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: of this person's body. 438 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're going to get a hot take 439 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: from me. This is not but I think most people believe. 440 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 3: But personally, I don't think family medicine doctors should be 441 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 3: prescribing things like antidepressants. I mean, you're giving a drug 442 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 3: that can potentially change someone's personality and their mood. It 443 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: can affect their relationships and their work, and their ability 444 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: to recognize problems in their life. That should be done 445 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: by a psychiatrist who has enough time. Now we have 446 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: this narrative in society now where it's like depression anxiety. 447 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 3: It's so common, these drugs are so safe. I think 448 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: it's completely wrong, and I think that needs to be changed. 449 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 3: I think we need to treat these drugs, which can 450 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: be useful for some people with the respect that they 451 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: deserve and with the time that they deserve, because listen, 452 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 3: there's nothing more complicated than giving someone a drug that 453 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: can alter their mood and personality. 454 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: So you shared a post recently. 455 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: It's really graphic, but I want to talk about it 456 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: because you shared this post about this person getting an 457 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: MRI and it was shocking to me, but not shocking 458 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: to me because I'm a cancer survivor. So I've been 459 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: through the MRIs and the cat scans and the biopsies, 460 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: and one of my biopsies for my cancer, they said 461 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: we're going to do this biopsy and I thought, yeah, 462 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: I've had other biopsies, that's fine, and they were like, 463 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: it's going to be a mammogram biopsy and I. 464 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: Had no idea what this was. 465 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: And you have to climb up on this machine and 466 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: you're like half on top and half on bottom. They're 467 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: sticking needles through your body parts and you can't move 468 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: at all, like not at all. And they told me 469 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 2: ahead of time, you can't move, your legs are going 470 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: to be up above you, your arms will be out. 471 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: If you even so much just have an itch, you 472 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: have to tell us you cannot move. And afterward I 473 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: got down and the woman said, did you take the valuume? 474 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: And I said, what are you talking about? And she said, oh, 475 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 2: that test is so stressful. Generally we offer someone volume 476 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: ahead of time. And I said, oh, nobody mentioned that. 477 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: She said, you were just very calm, because when you're 478 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: in that situation. I mean, I know that there are 479 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: people who panic, but I do think that they talk 480 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: you through it enough that they know if you're ready 481 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: or not. But you shared with a story about a 482 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: patient who was going into an MRI and they offered 483 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: them an anxiety med before they went in. The patient 484 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 2: had a terrible reaction, gouged out their own eye and 485 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 2: ate it. That is terrifying to me. 486 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: Yes, and so again, you know, putting it in context. Listen, 487 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 3: this is the first time I've ever heard of it. 488 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: They and people you need to hear that these medications 489 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: in rare instances, they can have very serious side effects. 490 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: And so that that's the point that I want people 491 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: to hear. Benz thatiazepines, which are commonly used to help people, 492 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 3: you know, go in the narrow tube of an MRI. 493 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: They you know, they relax people, but they can cause 494 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 3: paradox reactions. Like all drugs, And the point when I 495 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: put that out there, because it was graphic and it 496 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: was shocking, was that we've gotten so use to just oh, 497 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 3: you have a little bit of anxiety, just just take it. 498 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: You're a little nervous about being in the narrow tube, 499 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 3: take this medication. What has happened to us? I think 500 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: we can tell people like, yes, some situational anxiety is normal, 501 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 3: some claustrophobia is normal, and you know what, the drug 502 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 3: has side effects. Maybe we go ahead and we try 503 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: it without I'll be there with you. I'm going to 504 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: reassure you You're going to get through this. It's okay. 505 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: Very quickly, we just default to using meds, which you know, 506 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 3: in rare instances can have absolutely horrific outcomes. 507 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: That is probably one of the most terrific things I've 508 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: ever heard, and I honestly I would have read it 509 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: and said no way, except for having my own experience 510 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: in the hospital of them saying, you know, we generally 511 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: offer this to everybody, and I think we've had this 512 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: inherent trust in the medical system, and you know, honestly, 513 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 2: back then, that was ten years ago, I probably would 514 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: have been like, Okay, they're telling me. Most people take this, 515 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: I should take it without thinking I'm fine, I don't 516 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: need this. 517 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: And that's the thing that. 518 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 2: I think is the unusual part about psychiatric meds. It's 519 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: kind of like someone saying you need this even if 520 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: you haven't, if you haven't discussed I'm not anxious about 521 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: this test. There's a push to take it regardless, like 522 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: we have a solution for you. And yet when you 523 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: look at it with common sense, you would say, you 524 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: know what, am I going to take a pill every 525 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: day and it is going to magically change everything in 526 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 2: my life? 527 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 3: Uh? You know, preach is what I'm going to say, 528 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: because I think there's something common sense about that where 529 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: it's like, how could that ever make sense that you 530 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: could take a pill and you know, with the complexity 531 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: of the mind and the human experience, that you could 532 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: expect that to solve your relationship problems, your spiritual issues, 533 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: your problems in your work. It's simply not true. It 534 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 3: is It is just it's too good to be true. 535 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 3: And because it's not that, I mean, that's not what 536 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: they do. 537 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here with us today, 538 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: doctor Joseph Witt during and we're going to have you 539 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: back in the next podcast. We're going to dig into 540 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: some pretty crazy subjects. We're going to talk about cannabis, 541 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people think cannabis is safe. 542 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: We're going to get into some of the things you 543 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: might actually not know about cannabis. 544 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: We're also going to talk a little bit deeper about 545 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: those side effects from these drugs that have sexual dysfunction. 546 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: But also we're going to get into the trans issue. 547 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: So it's going to be very interesting to hear what 548 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: the good doctor has to say. But thank you all 549 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: for joining us today on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 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