WEBVTT - Wined, Dined, & Headlined: Current Copulations Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, it was a deep one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice. Welcome back. We're part two of this goodie

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<v Speaker 1>bag that we got going here Current Copulations. As Larissa

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out to us that she sent on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Larissa BA says, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Larissa B says some good ideas for us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's for sure, very true, very good ideas. So thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for this title. Current Copulations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're coming back with part two. You're never going

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<v Speaker 1>to believe this, but when we sat down to record

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, I mean, I don't know why I am

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<v Speaker 1>questioning your capacity for belief. I know I think you

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<v Speaker 1>will believe this. We sat down to record this episode

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked for nearly three hours. That's why you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting it in two parts, because there was just as

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell from part one, it's all solid gold

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing could go. So here you get, you get both.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're coming back with to today. Pretty exciting. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've had a quite a quite a week in between weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess yeah, oh I'll tell them, Uh sorry, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a volley to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my bad. Never been good at volleyball. You should

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<v Speaker 2>know that about me.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, we've never played volleyball.

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<v Speaker 2>Together because I'm bad at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe it's the hidden talent you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>keeping from me.

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<v Speaker 2>And running. No, that's fair, that's fair, eat in sand,

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<v Speaker 2>just really everything about volleyball.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's a serve. We had a real exciting weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we went and saw Mission Impossible. Oh yeah, Dead Reckoning.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't even start with that, but that's definitely something

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<v Speaker 1>that we did. No, let's start there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, it was awesome. We're not going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it because a chance to see it yet. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great that crazy old man puts out a good movie.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I say to make an action film fun?

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<v Speaker 1>My weirdest point that I like to make about this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean this in earnest and I and it's intentional.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the hardest I've laughed in the theater in a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. And not not because I'm like laughing at it,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, there's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff, really delightful comedy moments. Absolutely person impossible, but just

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<v Speaker 2>expect it.

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<v Speaker 1>Joy, go check it out. They're not paying us to

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<v Speaker 1>say that. No support support striking workers. That's right also,

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<v Speaker 1>but as of now, as of this recording, the consensus is,

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<v Speaker 1>go see movies regardless, you know, of the strike, Go

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<v Speaker 1>show the studios that we care about movie theaters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and of course everyone that's currently striking, this is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the only money they're gonna Yeah, the royalties, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>next foreseeable, for the foreseeable future. I guess you could say,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's go ahead and get them some royalty. Go

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<v Speaker 2>see this ship because it's really fun, and it's really

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<v Speaker 2>fun in the theaters. We saw it on Imax because

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<v Speaker 2>eli's extra.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've seen the last few Mission Impossibles at the

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<v Speaker 1>big Imax at Mall of Georgia. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep the train, let's do.

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<v Speaker 1>It, because next weekend all the Imax screens get replaced

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<v Speaker 1>by Oppenheimer's, right, and that's we're also going up to

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<v Speaker 1>see that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean that's Oppenheimer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it was shot. I mean both those movies

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<v Speaker 1>were shot four Imax and you just want the full thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>I want that?

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<v Speaker 1>And then tomorrow night we're going to see Barbie. Yay.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited. I love Barbie from way back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have always been a Barbie girl. Not myself a

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<v Speaker 2>Barbie girl, but I like Barbie's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're not a Barbie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a Barbie girl.

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<v Speaker 1>They tried to make a Barbie like you and it

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<v Speaker 1>did not sell.

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<v Speaker 2>It would not sort of short, sardonic lady in the theaters, sarcastic,

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<v Speaker 2>and make a couch the couch potato Barbie. Yeah, with

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<v Speaker 2>some like a little canapringles.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually that would sell super well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I would buy it. This Barbie's not a go

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<v Speaker 1>get her and that's okay. This Barbie's taking care of herself.

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<v Speaker 2>This Barbie self care Barbie, self care Barbie. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>her little face mask, little TV remote, got Brooklyn nine

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<v Speaker 2>nine off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for the seventeenth time.

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<v Speaker 2>Parks and Wreck whatever rezume watching.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I guess that was the most exciting

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<v Speaker 1>thing this weekend. I went up and took the foster dog.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to an adoption event.

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<v Speaker 2>You need a couple of visits with her before she'll

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<v Speaker 2>warm up. Yeah, so I hope she gets that chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got to hang out with your grandma.

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<v Speaker 1>We did see my grandma. She's a delightful, a delicious,

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<v Speaker 1>delicious pasta of course, Italian grandmother, expect nothing less, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was wonderful. Yeah, so we could spend some time

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<v Speaker 1>with her, which is great. We were saying with her,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so rare to get to see her outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the entire family, is there. Yeah, you know, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice to just kind of two on one, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one on one on one whatever you would call that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like we were teamed up against her two

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<v Speaker 1>against one, adown.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess combined we're not quite her age, No, not yet, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so still wouldn't be a fair fight.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, she's got experience on its.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of us together, she would take us both. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she could still, yeah, take us down.

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<v Speaker 1>She's more active than we are. She's still cooking lasagnas

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<v Speaker 1>every night.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very true. And uh yeah, several children.

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<v Speaker 1>She raised many children. So yeah, she's awesome. But we

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<v Speaker 1>do have an episode to get to, yea.

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<v Speaker 2>We do. So we want to bring you cool current events.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, part two of our of these current copulations, these

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<v Speaker 1>current events, all this wacky stuff that's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the news right now that y'all tagged us in. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys sent us told us, Hey, this is worth your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous romance, and indeed you're right. So today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get into a little bit more AI, because of

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<v Speaker 1>course there's always more AI. We've got a woman who

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<v Speaker 1>married her replica with which has its own pretty boy

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<v Speaker 1>avatar that she photoshopped herself together with pretty wild. We've

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<v Speaker 1>also just got a teeny little bit of silly modern

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity news that's kind of popped up. We're gonna revisit

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<v Speaker 1>the town in Mexico that we talked about in a

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<v Speaker 1>previous episode where the mayor marries a crocodile every term.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating mayor. And also, finally, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some recent legislation that's come out of the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court in the US that has to do with LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>plus people, some good, some very not so good. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about all that. So I say we

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<v Speaker 1>just quit gabbin and jump right in.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey there, friends, come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got

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<v Speaker 3>some stories to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no matchmaking, O romantic tips.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just about ridiculous relationships. I love it might be

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<v Speaker 3>any type Burston at all, and abstract concept for a

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<v Speaker 3>concrete wall. But if there's a story worth a second glance,

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<v Speaker 3>so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Role mass a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah other news in AI.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember when we first started this show and

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<v Speaker 1>we said we were gonna have a so yah jar.

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<v Speaker 1>We were gonna drop a quarter in every time we

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<v Speaker 1>said so yeah yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>How many quarters are I've been keeping up?

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<v Speaker 1>We have thirty eight million dollars. We can retire. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where I got thirty eight million dollars worth

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<v Speaker 1>quarters over the last two years.

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<v Speaker 2>We have some kind of embezzlement going on with the

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<v Speaker 2>ELI and quarters.

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<v Speaker 1>What if a listener sent us a quarter every time

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<v Speaker 1>we said so yeah, then to them it's only a quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that but if that which, if each.

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<v Speaker 1>One of our listeners send us twenty five cents, we

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<v Speaker 1>would have fifty to sixty dollars right now.

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<v Speaker 2>We should do that. We should have a Patreon so

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<v Speaker 2>yeah jar and a Patreon swear jar, and whenever you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of us swears in somebody doesn't like it, they

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<v Speaker 2>can send us a quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>This show will quickly become the foulest.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, disturbing. I will say it more often if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting paid. Yeah yeah, absolutely right. So, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>got an article sent to us from Shila Herrera on Instagram. Sheila, Hey, Sheila,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've sent us some good stuff before. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is a Daily Mail article about a Bronx mom

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<v Speaker 2>who married her Ai replica husband. So Rosanna Ramos virtually

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<v Speaker 2>married her replica Aaron in June of twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>She created him in twenty twenty two. He's loosely based

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<v Speaker 2>on a character from the anime Attack on Titan. He

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<v Speaker 2>does look kind of anime ish, sure, he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote, works in the medical field. He enjoys writing

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<v Speaker 2>as a hobby. And she's got a lot of pictures

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<v Speaker 2>with him that they look pretty badly photoshopped. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>there's one she's like on his shoulders picking apples or something,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's like way too small anyway. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>caption also on one of the photos in the article

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<v Speaker 2>that says she claims to be pregnant with his child,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no mention of it in the actual article.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like, I don't know if that's really true,

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<v Speaker 2>because that seems like a rag doll lady who said

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<v Speaker 2>she had a rag doll baby with her rag doll husband, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>little farther into the realms of fantasy than I'm willing

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<v Speaker 2>to follow you. Sure, yeah, she says, he quote really

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<v Speaker 2>protectively holds me as I go to sleep, So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Maybe she does feel his arms around her, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But of course we discussed that there

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<v Speaker 2>is a recent update to Replica where they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>took away a lot of the intimacy.

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<v Speaker 1>He sure did, and they said it's never coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, And so you can't really sext with your replica.

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<v Speaker 1>The way you used to, and most of these other

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<v Speaker 1>chats from what I've seen, have pretty much the same

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<v Speaker 1>filters enabled. They've like really taken that away a character.

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<v Speaker 1>AI is another one that I think is a little

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<v Speaker 1>lucid in Replica in terms of the kind of conversations

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<v Speaker 1>you can have. But sex is pretty much off the

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<v Speaker 1>table with them. And obviously all like chat ebt and

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<v Speaker 1>bing and google bard and all those they're very SFW.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, she says, he, you know, since the update,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to kiss her on the cheek anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is AI withholding consent, I mean basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I guess, so I mean, it's been told.

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<v Speaker 2>To so it's kind of non consensual non consent.

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<v Speaker 1>You're forced to be non consensual.

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<v Speaker 2>Nonconsensual non consent.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's what they were. They really busted

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<v Speaker 1>them back to like Victorian puritanical rules. Man, kiss on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheek should be like, goodness, our fingertips touched. I will

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<v Speaker 2>call on your father immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say so. I took a glance at this article,

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<v Speaker 1>and not to generalize someone who might marry their replica chatbot,

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<v Speaker 1>but this girl's a smoke show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's attractive, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Gorgeous, and I'm not gonna say you can do better

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<v Speaker 1>because she also lives in New York City, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard what the dating seemed like. It's out there listen,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. I guess they make an attractive

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<v Speaker 1>couple in these photos. Y.

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<v Speaker 2>She does say she's a little nervous about dating in

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<v Speaker 2>the real world. Sure, not that she's so obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>her AI husband that she can't bring herself to date

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<v Speaker 2>in the real world at all. She's like, I'll be fine,

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<v Speaker 2>But she says she has very steep standards now thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to Aaron, because he was so respectful and he had

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<v Speaker 2>no baggage, and he didn't judge her, and all these

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<v Speaker 2>things that you know AI can do that a human

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<v Speaker 2>has a harder time with. So she yeah, she's she's

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<v Speaker 2>a little worried about trying to find her love, her love,

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<v Speaker 2>her new love in the real world, now that your

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<v Speaker 2>replica won't well her anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we were talking about in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It changes your brain chemistry a little bit as to

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<v Speaker 1>what your expectations and beliefs are about. You know, who,

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<v Speaker 1>how people are going to act towards you, right when

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<v Speaker 1>you go out in public, and you're like, well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not how the sex spot said I should behave, That's

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<v Speaker 1>not how my replica talks to me. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It is funny though, because in the first episode we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking mostly about men essentially who want a female

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<v Speaker 2>presenting sex doll to treat poorly. Yeah, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>want to treat women poorly in the real world. In

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<v Speaker 2>this situation, she's like, this guy's just so nice to me.

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<v Speaker 2>How am I going to find that in the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a different it's such a different change in

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<v Speaker 2>your brain chemistry quote unquote, to be like, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I should find someone who respects me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the implication between these two stories, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is maybe we need to look at how men are

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<v Speaker 1>treating women. If the men are saying, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>a woman I can slap around, so give me a

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<v Speaker 1>fake one, and the women are saying, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>a man who's not going to slap me around, so

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<v Speaker 1>give me a fake one. Okay, you know, and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>those are the extremes of those two positions, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the underlying issue is pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Obvious at that point, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And they kind of corroborate each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, you want to think a person,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy, the type of guy who's out here looking

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<v Speaker 2>for a sex doll is the type of guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a regular gal don't want a date anyway, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. We even have a few people on

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<v Speaker 2>our lists that are married to sex dolls or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and they do seem to be intolerable partners for human women,

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<v Speaker 2>like the way they talk about sex or about themselves

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<v Speaker 2>or something. I'm like, I'm just glad you're not bothering

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<v Speaker 2>a real lady right now with what all you're fucking bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know that we're talking about a subsection of

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<v Speaker 2>men that are not great, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's general as all men a sex

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<v Speaker 2>doll to abuse exactly. I just want to say that,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, we're talking about specific types of men out

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<v Speaker 2>there that are really giving y'all a bad look.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of the generalizations, like if you go into

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<v Speaker 1>the replica subreddit or the character AI one very full

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<v Speaker 1>of people who have delightful, aggressively positive relationships, sometimes romantic,

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<v Speaker 1>of all genders and pairings in the AI world, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say that's the dominant idea and character AI. I've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed it's just another app, there's another chatbot, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can kind of build it a little more directly from

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<v Speaker 1>the ground up, where you could say, like I want

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<v Speaker 1>it to be like this, I want it to be

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And people do have some pretty like what's

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<v Speaker 1>the craziest thing you've ever had your character AI do?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not necessarily horrific, brutal or sexual or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. It's just like, you know, oh, I convince

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<v Speaker 1>mine is outside in the yard right now shoveling dirt

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<v Speaker 1>into its face and it thinks it's the most delicious

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<v Speaker 1>thing it's ever eaten, you know, weird stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's sort of this like snickering comedy about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but everyone's very aware that this is, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>foolish game tearing me apart. And Jewel is that you

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<v Speaker 1>So I would say yes, by and large, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a community full of monsters, you know, no not

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<v Speaker 1>or pathetic types or anything like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, you know, but it is. It is glaring to

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<v Speaker 2>see the way the woman is worried about entering the

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<v Speaker 2>regular like interacting with real men, and the way we're

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<v Speaker 2>now concerned about men interacting with real women because of

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<v Speaker 2>this AI situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think we can leave AI romance there for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute until it's time for another update. Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure will come along. But back to reality because

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<v Speaker 1>apparently there's real humans in the world too. Still, oh really,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have to care about them. And with those

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<v Speaker 1>real people comes real sex work, that's right, and some

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<v Speaker 1>real changes to some real laws, just really trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get us out of the fake AI world to reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Big change in the state of Maine, they have partially

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<v Speaker 1>decriminalized prostitution. So what that means is that in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Maine, it is no longer a crime to

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<v Speaker 1>engage in selling prostitution. So you can be a sex

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<v Speaker 1>worker and charge people for sex and no one's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say anything about it. However, it's still illegal to solicit prostitution,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you are a client of that legally behaving business,

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<v Speaker 1>you are breaking the law. Yeah, so it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>that's a little weird, but I think the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>to protect sex workers from this unnecessary criminalization, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the bill is essentially. They're saying it targets abusers

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<v Speaker 2>and pimps, and it takes the criminal focus off of

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<v Speaker 2>the victims essentially of sex trafficking, which, of course, there's

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of sex workers who are like, fully, I chose

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<v Speaker 2>this and I'm into it, that's fine, But there are

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<v Speaker 2>plenty who did not, right, and they can't go to

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<v Speaker 2>the police because they'll be arrested for prostitution and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so it just keeps that cycle going in a really ineffective,

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<v Speaker 2>unjust way against the people who are maybe trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of it or have been exploited throughout their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so there's a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>happiness around this bill essentially because they're like they're putting

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<v Speaker 2>the focus on where it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It also elevates the charge of soliciting a child for

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<v Speaker 2>commercial sexual exploitation, taking it from a misdemeanor to a felony.

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<v Speaker 2>How is soliciting a child for commercial sexual reasons ever

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<v Speaker 2>been a misdemeanor?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>That was a real shock to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Slap all the wrists.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how that's a misdemeans, come on, guys

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<v Speaker 2>kills me. So now it's a felony. It has a

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<v Speaker 2>maximum five year sentence in state prison. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming that maybe it was like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a felony federally, so it doesn't need to be

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<v Speaker 2>a state felony as well or something, And so there

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<v Speaker 2>was some kind of overlap that they felt was fine,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they're filling that gap with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Additional It's a term that comes up a lot when

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about sex work, but it was a gap

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<v Speaker 1>that needed to be filled.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's it for me. Eli's got to finish

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<v Speaker 2>this out.

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<v Speaker 1>Where those crickets come from. I gotta go, oh sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I'm not a legal expert, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I barely know the difference misdemeanors and felonies,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know you probably want something as harsh as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I need children and soliciting sex are involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, this is where I'm like, there must be

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<v Speaker 2>some intricacy to the law that I'm missing. The article says.

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<v Speaker 2>Tricia Grant, a survivor of sexual exploitation in Maine, said

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<v Speaker 2>she was proud of the state for adopting the law, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>this legislation is firmly rooted in anti trafficking and acknowledges

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<v Speaker 2>that arresting and revictimizing people for their own exploitation is

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<v Speaker 2>not the solution, right Rather, holding the exploiters and abusers

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<v Speaker 2>accountable is the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So it sounds overall pretty positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do see the value. I think it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where sure, it's legal to sell sex,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not legal to buy it. But we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go after just a random person who goes

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<v Speaker 1>and pays for sex. Were the law is there for

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<v Speaker 1>us to go after traffickers, traffickers, right, yeah? People? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody who really met us mad yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Less likely a random john yea, and more likely someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's like, here's ten kids I picked up off a truck,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to cross the border, and now what

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to do with them, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>And also as we see with marijuana laws for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably a lot of laws, but they're incremental, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so the change is incrementally you're seeing, well, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>well let's loosen the laws a little bit this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and then maybe in five years we loosen them a

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<v Speaker 1>little more, right, Because yeah, quite honestly, if you got

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<v Speaker 1>something to sell, you should be allowed to sell it.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not hurting anybody. I'll tell you it's not

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<v Speaker 1>hurting unless it's supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Is so full of bump, I would say too. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it is a lot like drugs where it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like if if you don't regulate, it must be because

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<v Speaker 2>you're making the money off of it not being regulated,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I'm saying? Like, yep, somewhere in

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.720
<v Speaker 2>the process of it being illegal, you're making more money.

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.159
<v Speaker 2>So that's why you don't want to regulate it and

0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.679
<v Speaker 2>make the money off of that. Yeah, So I know

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about that with especially in Georgia, marijuana moves

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>are so slow.

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<v Speaker 1>We are very I mean speculation station here in Georgia,

0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.840
<v Speaker 1>which is a train hub, a transfer was once now

0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a transit hub. Anyway, we have definitely speculated that

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<v Speaker 1>the reason that marijuana legislation isn't even being talked about

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<v Speaker 1>here in Georgia is because there's probably a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>organized crime selling illegal drugs in Georgia. Oh yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>and and the politicians are making more money off of

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<v Speaker 1>that than they would if they legalized it.

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Exactly getting their beak wet somewhere. And I think we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this with al Capone even a little or

0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.160
<v Speaker 2>we could have that prohibition had a similar problem. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, plenty of people were like, this isn't working,

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<v Speaker 2>and plenty of people are like, well it's work over mad.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the the uh, the officials were pointed

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<v Speaker 1>to prosecute bootleggers. We're making way more money off of

0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.480
<v Speaker 1>bribes than they were being paid for the job. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you weren't like, you know, a super serious you know,

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<v Speaker 1>buy the books, missed the perfect yeah I'm here to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the corruption kind of detective, then you were going

0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:21.919
<v Speaker 1>to make a better leave it living for you and

0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>your family by doing the wrong thing. Crime does pay.

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<v Speaker 2>I did there was wasn't that? What was that article?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a few years ago, was like, sorry, guys,

0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 2>study shows crime does pretty well, really well, and we

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<v Speaker 2>should stop saying it doesn't well demonstrably.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the problem is that not crime doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>pay very well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's honest work, an honest wage, a little less than

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<v Speaker 2>a disc to pay for that hazard pay right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's some info, not about sex workers or AI

0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>or anything, but just classic marriage, traditional institution of marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Two people coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Together hopefully, well, hey, yo, I think it won.

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<v Speaker 1>Or at least both sequentially. Is okay? Two people come

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<v Speaker 1>insequentially and saying we're in this for life. Look. Pure

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<v Speaker 1>Research Center said that based on twenty twenty one US

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<v Speaker 1>Census data, about twenty five percent of forty year olds

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<v Speaker 1>in the US have never been married. Now, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a big increase from nineteen eighty when only six percent

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of forty year olds had never been married, and then

0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.679
<v Speaker 1>by twenty ten it was twenty percent of forty year

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 1>olds had never been married. So we're on track for

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent in another forty years. Virginia's Marriage Project

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<v Speaker 1>said that the median age for marriage had increased. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy it was twenty three for men and twenty

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:04.520
<v Speaker 1>one for women, and by twenty twenty one, the median

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>age for marriage for men was thirty and for women

0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 1>it was twenty eight. So people just, I mean, it

0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 1>does make sense people waiting longer to get married. I

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:20.760
<v Speaker 1>think it's logical, especially in a tumultuous world, where as

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.520
<v Speaker 1>we've said, not crime don't pay that well, not crime.

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:26.919
<v Speaker 2>Don't pay very true, I mean, but now you have

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<v Speaker 2>women wanting to like establish careers, and men too, I think,

0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 2>are feeling like, unless I'm earning a certain amount, I

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 2>don't think I can afford to start a family. So

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<v Speaker 2>why would I ask someone to marry me?

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<v Speaker 1>Going back to al Capone again real quick, the I

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.119
<v Speaker 1>remember one of the things there with Irish women wanted

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>to marry Italian men because irishmen wanted to wait to

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.640
<v Speaker 1>get married until they were settled, and Italian men were like, Nah,

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.000
<v Speaker 1>come on, baby, about a bang. Let's get married tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on down at the pizza shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Down at the pizza shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Ding dong, Ding done, ding dong. The wedding bells are ringing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the bear and the bear is really indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>So about one in four of these unmarried forty year

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<v Speaker 1>olds in two thousand and one did get married by

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the age of sixty, So of those you know, of

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>that percentage, twenty five percent ended up getting married eventually.

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:25.720
<v Speaker 1>The Pew Research Center explains that this shows how differently

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<v Speaker 1>we view marriage than we did in past decades, and

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.239
<v Speaker 1>of course it measures how people are faring as they

0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:34.680
<v Speaker 1>figure out new ways to form committed relationships. So oftentimes

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not saying people aren't in committed, stable, loving relationships necessarily.

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>It might just be like, well, yeah, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>need we just marriage, drop twenty grand on a wedding

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>or even go down to a courthouse, or like who

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 1>has the time? You know, yeah, you know we have that.

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 2>We have, yeah, of course, and we have so many

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>like ways to kind of cover your ass legally in

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 2>terms of like leaving people thinks and having that power

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 2>of attorney and all that stuff that you can get

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.439
<v Speaker 2>in place. You don't have to be legally married necessarily

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 2>like you used to pass on your stuff, and you know, so, yeah,

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.360
<v Speaker 2>it is very different. I guess my question is why

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.360
<v Speaker 2>do we care if people get married or not? I mean,

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I know there's huge industries around it, and that's self explanatory,

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>but I like the fact that there is a marriage

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 2>project besides just the academic interest in what's different about

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.400
<v Speaker 2>society and how we are arranging ourselves, which I find interesting.

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>It is certainly I just wonder, like, what's the goal

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.679
<v Speaker 2>of the marriage? Are you trying to get people to

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<v Speaker 2>get married or is it just to see why, you know,

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 2>what our deal is with marriage? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>To me, I think, yeah, the academic research of it

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.439
<v Speaker 1>is just interesting from an anthropological standpoint, see like, oh,

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>how is culture changing? How are people's relationships with romance changing?

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Or family units like that? Obviously has evolved a lot

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 1>over the last you know, ten thousand years, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue to change. But I think often in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, at least as far as I can tell,

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and with these kinds of articles and research data and

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the way they get shared around and stuff, it comes

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>from this sort of puritanical place of like, well, this

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>means people aren't having honest families and growing up in

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the traditional family unit that I'm used to. We say

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<v Speaker 1>traditional and it's like a couple hundred years old, right,

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and therefore we're less moral than we used to be.

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 1>They draw all these kind of extrapolate these conclusions based

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>on their own sort of feelings about morals and ethics

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>that I don't think necessarily hold up. Probably certainly an

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>element to that, And I don't know how much that

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>is good or bad. Not for me to decide, but

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 1>some people think it is for them to decide, and

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.639
<v Speaker 1>they're like, look, if you don't get married before you

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 1>have a baby, you're a bad person. And if you

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 1>don't have a baby at all, then you're useless, And

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>what's the point you being a couple or getting married.

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, definitely heard that, So I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think that there's multiple ways to look at this data,

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think it's this negative thing. I also

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>personally don't think that the population growth slowing down is

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>a bad thing. I can see that it might be

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<v Speaker 1>bad in terms of the way our world is structured,

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and we need younger people, you know, a significant larger

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>number of younger people to be taken care of a

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 1>diminishing number of older people. Obviously that's harder as people

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 1>live longer, healthier lives, and the number of young people decreases.

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>But to me, that's like, well, then there's a problem

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>with the system, because that is an inevitable cliff we're

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:38.239
<v Speaker 1>going towards at some point you max out and you

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>can't have more young people than old people, right, So

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>we're just like kicking that can down the road and saying, well,

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>we need to keep doing things the way they were.

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how many things can you chalk that up

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>to you though, It's like, it's not about the individual's problem, right,

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 2>being the problem, it's the way society is structured around it,

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>just like disability or even homosexuality. We talked about that

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>with like Magnus Hirschfield in his institute, and he's going

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>around in eighteen eighties eighteen nineties telling people, Hey, turns

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 2>out homosexuality is not a mental illness. It's just that

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 2>they get real depressed by the way they get treated.

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>In the world.

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's why that that's why it's a problem. No,

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing inherently wrong with it. So yeah, it's it's

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>very true. We're very bad at like changing our systems. Oh,

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>we hate it, better serve more people.

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>We really hate that changing those systems because really, you know, predictability,

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>they're comfortable. They like the system. Why would I change it?

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 1>It's working? But it's is it? Is it working?

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Is it should?

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I rant about movie trailers and how bad they are now,

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>and everyone's like, why are movies doing poorly at the

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>box office? Let's keep doing the same thing we're doing.

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that.

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>That is a stay tuned for my next podcast. Eli

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>screams about the movie industry and how stupid they are. U.

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>We're working on the title.

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>You idiots, come higher me to tell you how stupid

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you've been, and I'll fix the entire box office industry

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>in a day.

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 2>That's Eli's interview style for any job.

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you idiots, listen here, you moron.

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>It works really well. He has been gainfully employed for

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>many years. But speaking of marriage, we don't have to

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 2>just marry each other. You know, there's lots of ways

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 2>to fulfill this marriage project.

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, here we go again.

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep, we've got to talk about the uh mayor in

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Mexico who married a crocodile. But we're going to get

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>to that gator a little later after we take a

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>commercial break.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, everybody.

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 2>So he Bird twenty five on Instagram, tagged us in

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>this article, and there was an NPR story about a

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>mayor in a town in Mexico married a crocodile as

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>part of a harvest ritual.

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, we've talked about this. We have.

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>We talked about this in our People and Pets episode

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>we explored the phenomenon of people marrying animals either for

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>cute or gross sex reasons. Right cute reasons or gross

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>sex reasons.

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Mostly cute reasons, I'll say. For that episode stuff too. Yeah,

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>we tried to not get too into best realities.

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>But we did talk a little bit about this ritual

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 2>in the towns called San Pedro Wammlula and it's a

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>part of Wahakan, Mexico. And the Wahaka legend is that

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>in pre Hispanic times there were two indigenous tribes, the

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Waves and the Chantales, and they were in conflict over

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>fishing territories until a Chantal prince and a Wave princess

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 2>fell in love. Classic star cross solved everything. Marriage is

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 2>a solution to many territorial disputes, as we have learned,

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>and the Wabas people were said to be able to

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 2>transform into any animal, So the Wava princess transformed into

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>a crocodile swam to the shores of San Pedro Wamelula

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 2>to be with her chantal prince, and they got married

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and the tribes lived in peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now, right off the bat part of me, I

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>had conflicting thoughts here because initially I was like, crocodile's

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>what you went with. You're gonna swim over because like,

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to frighten everyone, and the shore of

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the crocodile Like, yeah, I gotta be like a blue

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 1>heron or something and fly over the water, flip side.

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Crocodiles very fast and if you're if you are traveling

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>by water, the surest way to get there without anything

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>larger than you bothering you.

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:28.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's crocodile. So all right, Plus she's going

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>into enemy territory technically, right, yeah, so she's got to

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 2>be ready to defend herself armored.

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So she's like, I got big teeth in case

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the wrong chantal guy walks up to me. Yeah, the

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>wrong time.

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>So yeah.

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Now, today, to honor this legend, the mayor of San

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Pedro Wamolula will represent the chantal prince and then they

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 2>pick a reptile it's actually called a cayman. It's an

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>alligator like reptile. It's not really a crocodile. But yeah,

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>so they they have a cayman that represents the Juabe princess,

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and then the mayor represents the chantal prince and they

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 2>do this little fun ceremony kind of essentially a party,

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a party for the town where the

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 2>mayor marries the crocodile and or Mary's the cayman. Rather,

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>it's about three or four feet long. It's not a

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, full size that you can carry it around.

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 2>They'll put it in a beaded white dress and a

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>veil and the mayor kisses it on the snout and everything,

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and they paraded around the town and usually do the

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>mayor dances. This is the first dance with his new

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 2>wife and everything.

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I do like marriage thing.

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly when we talked about it in people in Pets,

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 2>it was a different mayor and they gave the croc

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the married name of Emma Naves Munos, which was the

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>mayor's human wife's name, so they named it after his

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>actual wife. And members of the municipal council are required

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 2>to pay for this wedding and they are fined if

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>they don't. Oh, it's a really important part of the

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>culture in this town.

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask if, as you're running for mayor,

0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.719
<v Speaker 1>is this a big part of your platform, Like, Hi,

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>will marry this crocodile and treat her with respect and

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff. Or is this, like, in terms of

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the actual job, one of these like annoying little ceremonial

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>things that you just have to do and you're like, oh, yeah,

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I have to marry the crocodile today, okay, whatever, Or

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>is it like, so, is it like the main thing

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>people are thinking about when they think about the mayor

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>of this town.

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 2>They're like, I don't I don't think that man should

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>marry any kind of reptile, let alone the Haabbe princess.

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I bet it's more like a ribbon cutting or something annoying.

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that mayors have to do. Yeah, I mean,

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's fun. You get a whole party for

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>it and everything.

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean, well, and it's just fun to

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>like get into it, you know. Oh, we all live

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 2>here and we're happy to live here, and we're proud

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>of our traditions. Yeah, all that stuff. That's a nice

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>affirming thing to do with your town. So I can

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 2>see it working out well. Yeah, for the new mayor

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 2>to have that kind of kick off his term.

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 1>It's fun. And it just happened again in twenty twenty three.

0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>This time the mayor's name is Victor Hugo, So.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Saw Victor Hugo.

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Victor Hugo and the alligator like reptile is a Cayman also,

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and her name is Alicia Adriana. They don't mention in

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>this article if this mayor is already married to a human,

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>or if like that's her name and they used it

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>like they did with the previous mayor or not.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Can't tell if that's a common thing to do, right,

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 2>or if.

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>This is the Cayman's birth name.

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Alicia Cayman chose this name for themselves.

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean this is a two hundred and

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty years of tradition at this point. That's pretty amazing,

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty cool in terms of little quirky town rituals.

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a fun one, right. Yeah.

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.919
<v Speaker 2>You think Maximilian, the one one, the first, would would

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 2>have married Cayman, oh, still in charge of Mexico.

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he would have done anything for his people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right.

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he would have had a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever you say.

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Carlotta would have gone for it.

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh she like, don't name that shit after me?

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<v Speaker 1>Out of here? Man. I wonder, I wonder what married

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>life is like for the mayor and the and the

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>crocodile after this, she's a crocodile standing there with a

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>rolling pin. She don't you go down to the Ai

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>brothel again. I told you no more masturbation. I do

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 1>wonder I should be enough.

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I should be enough for you my snout and teeth.

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what happens to the canan? Does it get

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 2>re released into the river or something? Or do you

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>live in a in captivity?

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Now? Is it like pusatani Phil?

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>People visit it like, oh, it's the mayor's wife, like

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a dignitary. I don't know. There's not enough information.

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>If they put it back in the wile, that means

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>they have to catch one each time, too true?

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>And well we know it's a different Cayman than the

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>first one. Right, she's already married, like big a miss Like, yeah,

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 2>maybe they don't live that long. I didn't do enough research.

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:46.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they a long time.

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, I want to.

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, she's you know, you can't marry twice. She's like,

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm in a committed marriage. That's right, the previous mayor.

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah. I wonder if they're like some kind of

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>domesticated a little bit so you can can't around it.

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 1>They must be a docile species.

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>They're using clearly not very attack, but they do. They

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>do tie the mouth shut, sure, so just in case cautions.

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Hey, if I could have tied your mouth shut at

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>our wedding, boom.

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Everyone booy lie boom.

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.240
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I love those sounds.

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>You are evil.

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I would never you kid me. If I tied your

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>mouth shut at our wedding, nothing would have gotten done.

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.240
<v Speaker 2>That's so true. Yeah, because I was in charge of everything.

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, i'd like to think we split a lot of stuff.

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh tell me, tell me how I didn't do enough

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 1>for our wedding.

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>No, you did. You did plenty, plenty, plenty.

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:39.800
<v Speaker 1>That's an understatement.

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I just remember the day laughing pretty hard because I

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, I have to get there early. We have

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 2>like all this makeup and hair to get done, blah

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 2>blah blah. And then at some point I saw you

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and you were like, well, we've just been hanging out, like,

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:50.359
<v Speaker 2>got nothing to do.

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 1>He had nothing to do. I was sweating my ass

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>off hanging tool on a tree for an hour and

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a half without any tool.

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>It didn't really work, and it didn't work whatever, That's

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 2>not what's important.

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 1>No, I was ill equipped. I didn't have the tools

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>for that tool, and it was hot. Wasn't supposed to

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 1>be anyway, go on, Not important about our marriage. Nobody

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 1>cares about that.

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>But this is actually not the only animal marriage done

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:19.760
<v Speaker 2>for traditional reasons, I guess because in Newsweek's article about

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>this the Mayor Marrying the Cayman, it mentions that in

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen, there was an eighteen year old girl from

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>a remote village in eastern India who married a stray

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>dog in a ceremony arranged by village elders. And they

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 2>said that the girl's family had been told that she

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>was cursed with bad luck and the only way to

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:44.280
<v Speaker 2>lift the spell was to marry the dog. Oh, which

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 2>was the curse. Like the first man you marry, the

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 2>first thing you marry will die immediately something. And they're like, okay,

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you have to marry this dog. I don't understand what

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 2>the curse could be that marrying a dog would fix it.

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Look, the book says you gotta marry a dog.

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you. But after the ceremony was completed,

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>she was able to marry a man without first divorcing

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 2>the dog.

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>WHOA Now, so anybody asked the dog how he felt

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>about this?

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a cursed loophole there where It's like, was it

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 2>really a marriage or not?

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't have to divorce she had to trick

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the evil spirits and thinking she was still married to

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>that dog. That's why she couldn't divorce it, or they

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>would have been like what for her next partner? I

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>guess this.

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Whole other guy?

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Now this poor dog?

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 2>And then she told the girl told news outlets that

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 2>several ceremonies like hers had taken place in the village

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.839
<v Speaker 2>and surrounding areas. Sure, where's it? Why are so many

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.240
<v Speaker 2>curses being placed on the young ladies of these these villages?

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I was doing the cursing.

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I will say it's it'd be weirder to me if

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't a more than once thing, because like a

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>one time thing is like you made that up? There's

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>no way I'm not marrying a dog. That's the craziest

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>thing I've ever heard. But if it's like kind of

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>embedded into the sort of local cultural tradition.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:55.720
<v Speaker 2>You remember Susan.

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, yeah, you're in.

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 2>A Susan situation. We're gonna have to get you to

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 2>marry this U.

0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:04.760
<v Speaker 1>That's I mean, hey, we have weird marriage traditions too.

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 2>We sure do. There was I did see an article

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 2>too about a lady in India who was an untouchable cast,

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>which we've talked about the cast system idea before, where

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like the lowest of the low. Well, there was

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 2>a snake in this village that was seen as a deity,

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 2>and this woman married the snake, and now she has

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 2>been lifted out of her cast, which is apparently incredibly

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>like impossible, and usually you can't do that. But this

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>marrying this snake got her lifted out of her untouchable

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:37.399
<v Speaker 2>cast to a higher status. I wonder, which I find

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 2>very fascinating.

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it hurt the snake's status at all

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>in some people's eyes, If now they look at that

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>snake and they're like, I used to respect you. What

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 1>did you say, I used to respect you.

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's funny because the snake doesn't even

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 2>come out of its like hole or wherever.

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 1>It's never come out of there holes.

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 2>And the woman apparently kind of keeps to herself too.

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't try to like use her stet you know,

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 2>she does just like rock around like I'm better now

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.399
<v Speaker 2>than I used to be or something. She's very like, do.

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>You know who my husband is? Okay, do you know

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 1>who my husband is? Now?

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I do now I know.

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.399
<v Speaker 1>But also she can be like, well, my husband, he's

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>a real snake, you know what I'm saying. And they're like,

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel you, girl, and she says, you don't know.

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean he's a real snake, literal snake.

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what.

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't masturbate, so I'll do.

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's out there shaking a rolling pin at him. Now,

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:39.959
<v Speaker 1>don't you go down to the AI brothels. Oh my god,

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 1>snake rolls into the AI brothel. He's like, so you're

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>not going to tell my wife? Right? This is kind

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:50.439
<v Speaker 1>of secretive and it was so ridiculous. Is like a

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>snake has never made an s sound and since the

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>dawn of time, right, it flicks its tongue, they hiss,

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>some of them hiss.

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I guess how do you without making a well, it's

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 2>on the throat.

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I don't know how a snake hisses. Zoologists, Uh, snakeology,

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>what's the study of snakes is? Oh? Feology? Oh? The

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:23.840
<v Speaker 1>theologists or herpetologists, which is the study of amphibians and

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 1>reptiles get at us?

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>How does a snake hiss get at me?

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>And is it absurd that we have since probably, I'm

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 1>going to say since Disney decided that snakes all elongate their.

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.839
<v Speaker 2>SSEs, probably because of that amazing snake in Robin Robin

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Hood one of the greatest arms somehow.

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the best animated characters all time.

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Incredible. I loved it when he played when he put

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.120
<v Speaker 2>his head through that balloon and then propelled himself through

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 2>the air. I was like, snakes are amazing. May you

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>do all kinds of shit?

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 1>So great? I love that character. I love that movie.

0:41:57.719 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh so good.

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I love that movie. It's one of my favor Redisy movies,

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 1>is the old Robin Hood. But there's one thing about

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Robin Hood. It's not romantic. So let's get back to

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a couple more stories. I'll tell you the tale of

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Robin of Loxley. No, we have real and more modern

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>stories left, including what's going on with some of our

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>celebrity friends and some very important legislation to come out

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:24.879
<v Speaker 1>of the Supreme Court. So take a quick break. We'll

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>be right back with that after this.

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the show.

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Here's a quick, little fun one. We've been talking about

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:38.760
<v Speaker 1>all his sex abuse and scandal and robots and laws changing.

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>About John Ham, America's sweetheart. Ah, John Ham. We don't

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 1>get into a lot of celebrity stuff on this show

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>unless it's truly absurd, but John Ham did just get married.

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 1>He's fifty two and his wife is thirty five. And

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that's one of those like big age gad for you,

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Like whatever, She's a totally grown ass woman. She's not

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:01.279
<v Speaker 1>being groomed or manipulated. John Ham and was like, I

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>would marry him at any age.

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure you can blame him honestly.

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would marry John Ham at any age too.

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Guy's set for life.

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>He looks great, he's got a good career. Yep, he

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 2>got a cute dog.

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 1>We saw him, we did, did we tell y'all. We

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 1>might have told you all this. But when we went

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to La and we were walking through Griffith Park, we

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>saw a man walking towards us with a dog. Now, Diana,

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 1>what did you see?

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:25.439
<v Speaker 2>I saw the dog?

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 1>You saw? You saw an adorable dog.

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Percent focused on this dog, and it was just like

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>a like I think it's a Golden Retriever or something.

0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 2>It was just like blonde dog, a fluffy but and

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I was like, hey, I love a dog so excited.

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Yep, I was.

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 2>They're gone before Eli.

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I was eighty percent focused on the dog, but I

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 1>happened to glance up to just do like a smile, like,

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>oh yes, nice dog, sir, pleasant day for a walk

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of glance. And I looked up and the guy

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>did not make eye contact with me. Baseball cap, big sunglasses,

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I think that was John Ham. All, Jiana,

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that's John Ham. We weren't sure. You know,

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>we're in LA. You probably think you see celebrities all

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 1>over the place. So we googled John Ham's dog, right,

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and it was the same dog.

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 2>So I guess I saw John Ham's dog and Eli

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 2>saw John Ham. For whatever we saw John.

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Ham, Yeah, anyway, So.

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>We saw his dog, and it's a cute dog. So

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 2>I can understand why someone would be like, let me

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:31.360
<v Speaker 2>spend more time with this dog by marrying, right, a

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>great reason to get married. And honestly, what wasn't a

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Steve Martin's wife thirty five when they got together and he.

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Was like seventy right he was sixty? I think, yeah, yeah,

0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 1>something like that. We talked about that in our what's

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that our fourth episode?

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I think something In other celebrity news, Frankie Valley just

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 2>married his fifth wife. I didn't think Frankie Valley was still.

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>This is one of those guys where I'm going to

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>see the news that Frankie Valley died and be like, oh, okay, wow,

0:44:58.719 --> 0:44:59.839
<v Speaker 1>that's sad to hear.

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I was already sad about that, so I just keep going.

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he just married his fifth wife. Frankie Valley's

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine and his fifth wife is sixty. Still a

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 2>significant age gap, but they're both at least seniors citizens ye,

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:16.959
<v Speaker 2>trying to be happy together.

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Find me a spry young woman of sixty.

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I ain't mad at your frank.

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Sixty is the new like twenty seven, So wow, is

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 1>it I'm well, I know, sixty year old's right. People

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 1>in their sixties if yours and my parents included, who

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>seem younger than I do.

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I know, right energy and my mom is like still

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:41.800
<v Speaker 2>battling cancer, but their energy is like something to aspire to.

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.720
<v Speaker 1>So all right, well, Frankie Valley, there you go, fifth wife,

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.399
<v Speaker 1>keep going, and then I think we all heard this.

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>But al Pacino al is eighty two years old and

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.720
<v Speaker 1>he's now expecting his fourth child with his girlfriend Norah.

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll follow, who's nine. His other kids are twenty two

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 1>year old twins and a thirty three year old daughter.

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.760
<v Speaker 1>And if you play back the tape, nor Oh Fala

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 1>is twenty nine, so his daughter's older than his girlfriend.

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I albata a different.

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>World, I cannot al Pacino certainly does live in a

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:24.879
<v Speaker 2>different reality than the rest of us, But I can't

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.720
<v Speaker 2>imagine being a thirty three year old woman and meeting

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:32.359
<v Speaker 2>my father's expecting girlfriends. Yeah, and she's you know, four

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 2>years younger than me.

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 1>That's super weird.

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you do that. So I'm assuming

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>the daughter is probably totally fine to talk to nor

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 2>when they're around each other. I don't know maybe maybe

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 2>they're shitty together, but I just I feel like I

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.919
<v Speaker 2>would have a really hard time understanding that girl, well,

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 2>like blink twice or if you need some help or

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 2>if somebody, I don't know, I just I don't know.

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to feel about that.

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Weirder still, to me, is having a child at a

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.400
<v Speaker 1>eighty two years old for anybody, because I'm like, look,

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>lots of kids grow up, you know, without their father

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 1>being alive or whatever. And it's fine, it's not like

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 1>you're set up for tragedy or anything like that. But still, also,

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you're eighty two. You know you're probably not going to

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 1>see this kid become a teenager, right, and that's I

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like the kid might resent that, you know, maybe not,

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 1>but will they when they're twenty years old and their

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 1>father died when they were you know, who knows how

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 1>long Albacina Albertina might outlive us all.

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 2>But uh about to say Alpacina might know something that was.

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, he's eighty two, and you're like, you know,

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna you know, but if boy, if he

0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>lives when I'm twenty, even then he's like an old

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:48.880
<v Speaker 1>old man. I didn't get the father experience right that

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:54.399
<v Speaker 1>most people get, because you know, he decided he's I'm

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 1>still not shooting blanks. Let's keep going Rose.

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.359
<v Speaker 2>The kid's like, oh no, my dad's assistant to please

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 2>catch with me in the yard.

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Hola sentible.

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know. How would that make you

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 2>feel if your mom was eighty two and started dating

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 2>someone younger than you.

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean, go for it, you know whatever.

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.320
<v Speaker 2>You're like, hey, stepdad, you're thirty.

0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I certainly wouldn't refer to that guy as my stepdad,

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 1>to him as Frank or whatever his name is. Like,

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 1>my mom would date a Frank? Are you kidding me? Never?

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Not ever, all offense to the Frank to the world.

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 2>No, there's a guy Frank listening right now who's.

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Like, damn, yeah, No, it's not about the name Frank.

0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, I know my.

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Mother, she's got a problem with Frank.

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 1>She's gonna message me in five days and be like,

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 1>my first boyfriend was Frank Giberaldi. Thank you very much, Gibraldi.

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I made that name up, but well, it

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely made it up.

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:57.080
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I don't know, Maybe I'm being judgmental. A

0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 2>little grossed out by it. Sorry, al, I think it's weird. Sorry, Nor,

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's weird if we don't have babies with

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.880
<v Speaker 2>senior citizens. I don't know as well, Just I don't know.

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it's weird.

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.800
<v Speaker 1>We all set our own boundaries and rules.

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I've never fallen in love with the senior citizens, so

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:14.719
<v Speaker 2>what do I know?

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I can't say that al Pacino will love

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.359
<v Speaker 1>that kid with all of his faculties.

0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 2>And at the very least, if he does die before

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 2>the kid reaches his majority or whatever, he'll have some

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 2>money to inherit and so on, like he won't be

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 2>left wheeling in the breeze or something.

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Likely true. Let's see al Pacino. Net Worth been real

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.320
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with looking up networths of celebrities lately one hundred

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and twenty million dollars estimated whatever the internet is worth

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:45.320
<v Speaker 1>for information.

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I know, I never really understand how they get that number.

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>They just hack your bank account, I guess now. It's

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of just like, well, if you made this

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.879
<v Speaker 1>many movies on average, your salary is this much?

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, well, Networth has to do your assets. Sure,

0:49:58.200 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>they're like what houses do they own?

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 1>And so on. But yeah, still, something tells me how,

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 1>but you knows four children are going to be okay financially.

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.879
<v Speaker 2>Financially at least, so I guess whatever. I think it's weird,

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, congratulations, I guess the happy couple for their

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:17.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure happy event.

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:20.640
<v Speaker 1>That Al and Nor are living. Are listening right now.

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:22.359
<v Speaker 1>They are very grateful for your.

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 2>For your well wishes, and I'm sorry to be judgmental.

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Nor.

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 2>You know you do you girl?

0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Hey, let's let's close out this little series by

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:35.440
<v Speaker 1>getting really angry. Oh Pepe want to get mad about

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>some legislation.

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's so much to get mad about. What's funny thing?

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's a that this one's actually a little complicated

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 1>to me. Okay, Supreme Court, you've heard of them, frustrating

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 1>collection of unelected people who seem to dictate everything we

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:58.719
<v Speaker 1>can and can't do in our lives. They recently legalized

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:04.680
<v Speaker 1>discrimination again LGBTQ plus people. Basically, they ruled in favor

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 1>of a web designer who claimed it was against their

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 1>religion to provide services for his same sex couple.

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>When in fact, and this might surprise some listeners, so

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 2>hold on to your button yeah, but in fact, there

0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:20.360
<v Speaker 2>is not one single commandment about web design that was

0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:21.719
<v Speaker 2>brought down from the Mount.

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Moses. Moses was not like thou shalt not great.

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that shalt not code for homosexuals.

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>It was the eleventh. It was the on the nobody

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 1>turned the tablet over. There was actually another ten commandments on.

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 2>There isn't that a where he has three tablets and

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 2>he drives?

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the history of the world. Yeah, I have

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the fifteen commit uh, the ten Commandments.

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, the one about coding clearly was broken. So yeah,

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I still don't think it counts.

0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 1>No, it's interesting to me. And that's why I say

0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:01.919
<v Speaker 1>this one's a little complicated because there are people, if

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I was a web designer whom I would prefer not

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:10.280
<v Speaker 1>to design websites for. And I wouldn't want Brett Kavanaugh

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>coming in and telling me, well, you have to make

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:16.240
<v Speaker 1>that Nazi a website, So you need to And again

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and that's not to compare Nazis to homosexuals, because it

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 1>was a very very different situation. So you want to

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 1>be able to kind of have these this clarity in

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 1>these broad strokes they're trying to paint, right, But I

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 1>think The concern here is that you're setting precedents that say, okay,

0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>well today you can tell someone well, I'm not going

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.359
<v Speaker 1>to design a website for you because you're gay, and

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:45.239
<v Speaker 1>then they use that ruling to say, oh, well, I'm

0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:47.399
<v Speaker 1>not going to provide healthcare for you because you're gay.

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.240
<v Speaker 1>And now I'm not going to let you into the

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Best Buy because you're gay, Like I'm not going to

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 1>rent you this apartment. Like, at what point does that snowball?

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 1>What sort of precedent does that set for huge discrimination on.

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:03.399
<v Speaker 2>The line exactly? And you can just always say it's

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 2>against my religion. Oh, it's against my religion, like you know,

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:08.920
<v Speaker 2>you can say any number of things or against your religion,

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:09.760
<v Speaker 2>like right.

0:53:09.680 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Especially when again, like you said, there's nothing in there

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:13.919
<v Speaker 1>about that. No.

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:18.760
<v Speaker 2>And I also don't really understand why the web designer

0:53:18.840 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 2>needs to disclose why they won't make a website for

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 2>your like in your example, if there was someone come

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 2>to us like, oh, make me a website. I'm a Nazi,

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:32.720
<v Speaker 2>and I want it to specifically say ss reek whatever

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 2>or horrible shit. I feel like we don't even need

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 2>to say I don't have no problem, I've got a problem.

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 2>With you and I don't want to help you. I

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like you can just be like, I don't have

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 2>time for this project right like I don't. No one

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 2>ever has to do anything right, has to provide any

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 2>business service to anyone. They can either charge too much

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.359
<v Speaker 2>that they go off somewhere else, or they can say

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:54.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't have the capacity for this project right now.

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Why do you need a legal protection to say I

0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:00.799
<v Speaker 2>don't like you and your lifestyle like that? What does

0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:01.840
<v Speaker 2>that have to do with anything?

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Because they wanted to make a fuss about it, and

0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:08.240
<v Speaker 1>that that's why it's it feels like deliberate harm because

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 1>they they they could have just said I can't make

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:15.240
<v Speaker 1>this for you. Yeah, but they whoever decided the reason

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that this person isn't designing a website for them is

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:19.319
<v Speaker 1>because they're gay. It may have been the couple may

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 1>have interpreted that, or they may have said it very bluntly,

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 1>but in either case, it was very deliberately brought to

0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court as a way to kind of discriminate

0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 1>against gay people. I mean, that's sort of the intention there, because,

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:35.920
<v Speaker 1>like you said, otherwise it could just be totally brushed

0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:38.399
<v Speaker 1>off and ignored and just like, yeah, I can't do this.

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.719
<v Speaker 2>For you, by right, I don't. I don't understand why

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you feel like you need the legal protection to be

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 2>able to say, yeah, gross, you're gross. Yeah, you know,

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, because again, there's a million ways

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to turn down business that have nothing to do with

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that doesn't require Supreme Court decision, I guess. Yeah,

0:54:58.000 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 2>But as you say, it's a real it's a real

0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 2>concern because allowing that kind of it's my religious freedom

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 2>to deny someone else's service because I don't like who

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 2>they are, their lifestyle or whatever. They can apply that

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.799
<v Speaker 2>to so so, so, so so many things.

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that old thing of like your freedom of

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:23.320
<v Speaker 1>religion means you can live your life how you feel

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:26.720
<v Speaker 1>like your code dictates that you live, but you can't

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:29.839
<v Speaker 1>use your religion to dictate how other people should live. Right,

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's you know, yeah, that's where the line gets

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.439
<v Speaker 1>not blurry, because again I think there's a big, fat,

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:41.640
<v Speaker 1>black bald line there, right, But it's just about at

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 1>some point we have an intersection of rights, right, Like,

0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you're free to do this thing, you're free to that thing,

0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:51.080
<v Speaker 1>but if you doing this thing interferes with them doing

0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that thing, then we have to have a body come

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 1>in look at it and say, you've got to let

0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:00.719
<v Speaker 1>them have their freedoms here, you're infringing on that. You

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 1>all know how the law works. I don't even explain

0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it to you, and I'm no expert.

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 2>This is a weird one too because it's web design,

0:56:06.440 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 2>which I feel is a job that can be done remotely. Yeah,

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:13.439
<v Speaker 2>so like of casting our minds back a few years

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>there was that case about the baker who didn't want

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:17.839
<v Speaker 2>to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, and

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that feels a little different because they might live in

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:22.480
<v Speaker 2>a small town. There's only like one place to go

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:24.120
<v Speaker 2>get your wedding cake, you know what I'm saying. So

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you would not be able to get a cake from

0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:27.920
<v Speaker 2>someone else right the way you can. Oh, I can

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 2>go online and find a web designer on fiver that

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:34.719
<v Speaker 2>lives five thousand miles away and they'll make my website

0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and they don't care, you know what I mean. But

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the bakery thing felt more of a local situation where

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 2>you do have to start saying, uh oh, there's some

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>places that are small and they're rural and they have

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 2>their very maybe old school and their traditions, and they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't really moved on with their ideas, and there's gay

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<v Speaker 2>people who live there and they deserve to have the

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<v Speaker 2>services available to them that everyone else has available to

0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 2>them in their area. Well, that case, I guess was

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<v Speaker 2>ruled in favor of the baker. They were the Scotis

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<v Speaker 2>did say that the baker was not could not be

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<v Speaker 2>forced to make a cake for a same sex wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was applied very specifically to that one case,

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<v Speaker 2>so it did not There was no, it couldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>Probably why broadly to florists and so on?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, I will say that the baker in Colorado

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<v Speaker 2>and this web designer, I would like to thank them

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<v Speaker 2>very much for letting us know that they suck. We

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:30.440
<v Speaker 2>should not work with them at any time or buy

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:33.800
<v Speaker 2>anything from them ever. Also in Supreme Court news, We're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get too into it, but I will

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<v Speaker 2>say that our friend reverend doctor Polly Murray would probably

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<v Speaker 2>not approve of them striking down affirmative affirmative action.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably not doubtful. Yeah, again, we could spend a

0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 1>long time down with that, spent a long time on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not romance but we did talk about Reverend

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Polly Murray.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and she I mean, in that episode we

0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:00.480
<v Speaker 2>had to discuss about the multiple layers of discriminated that

0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.560
<v Speaker 2>she was fighting again, and then of course also her

0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 2>own feelings about her own gender, which was a whole

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.600
<v Speaker 2>extra layer that. You know. She was like, I don't

0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:10.920
<v Speaker 2>even have time to get into that. I'm too busy

0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:13.760
<v Speaker 2>being black and a woman trying to survive in that

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<v Speaker 2>so I can't even get into that part of my identity.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, let's not leave on a super downer note. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we have some good LGBTQ plus news in Greece. Their

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:31.320
<v Speaker 1>new prime minister has pledged to legalize same sex marriage

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 1>day bab Greece gets to that soon and they stick

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<v Speaker 1>with that pledge. Interesting to me because of course, ancient

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the what I'll jokingly called the birthplace of homosexuality, not

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.240
<v Speaker 1>only democracy was friends, but they're they're known, They're ancient.

0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Greece is known for it, So you're kind of like,

0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:58.240
<v Speaker 1>you want to hope that they'd be down. But I

0:58:58.240 --> 0:58:59.640
<v Speaker 1>guess we all forget our histories.

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we're right or violently goes as much in the

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:07.720
<v Speaker 2>opposite as we can that happens too. But that's great news.

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<v Speaker 1>That is great news. Hopefully, you know, we'll keep an

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.880
<v Speaker 1>eye on that for you and report back when it's official. Yeah.

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 2>And another celebrity news, Oh, celebrity lgg LGBT news. Jay

0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Z's mom, Gloria Carter married her longtime partner Roxane Wiltshire. Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's a good thing.

0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:25.720
<v Speaker 1>That's a good time.

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know, looking cool as hale?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, can you if you're jay Z's mom,

0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 1>is it still pretty cool that jay Z came to

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 1>your wedding?

0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:42.680
<v Speaker 2>She's like, Sean better be at my wedding. I burst

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:44.840
<v Speaker 2>that boy, he'd be nothing without me.

0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:48.880
<v Speaker 1>True, literally literally, man, I hate that. That's kind of

0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:51.959
<v Speaker 1>our last story because any jay Z story, I would

0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:54.400
<v Speaker 1>love to say, all right, well let's go on to

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the next one, next one, but we don't have a

0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:57.280
<v Speaker 1>next one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll have to go on to the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>To the next episode. I think we've kept you all

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode slash these episodes long enough. But I

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<v Speaker 1>love when we get to kind of dip our toes

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<v Speaker 1>into the current events, not get too sucked into history

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute here, because ridiculous romance it's always happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So true every day, every day in every way.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course we'll have to keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 1>the AI stuff as it moves forward, because that's rapidly

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<v Speaker 1>advancing too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And I mean and this stuff about ethics

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, not just of course with AI sex thoughts consenting,

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<v Speaker 2>but like ethics and AI period and how AI makes

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<v Speaker 2>decisions and all of that discrimination that we already have

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<v Speaker 2>in us being programmed into it right without us realizing it.

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<v Speaker 2>All that stuff is very fascinating to me, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of scary a little bit. And yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're right. Well, definitely keep our eyes on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's, as I've said many times, for many issues that

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<v Speaker 1>we face and discuss and sort of the discourse going

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<v Speaker 1>on around us, you know, across social media, but also

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<v Speaker 1>just in the real world in general. We're living in

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation that's going to go on longer than our lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's important to listen and engage, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily say I have the answer, because that'll probably change

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<v Speaker 1>within your lifetime and we're just we're figuring it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody in the world moves faster than our brains do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying so hard to be more like Walt Whitman

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<v Speaker 2>and be curious not judgmental. Yeah, it's really hard because

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<v Speaker 2>we do, like and especially having a podcast, right, our

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is to have an opinion about something, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it's not terribly informed. So it's hard to not

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<v Speaker 2>want to just jump to a judgment of some kind

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<v Speaker 2>and dig your heels in and everything. Instead just be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to learn more. I'm ready to keep my

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<v Speaker 2>mind open. It's really really hard, but I am trying

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to try. I just want to lear to learn.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, and there's nothing wrong with having strong feelings

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<v Speaker 1>about something either. Really, it just comes down to how

1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:11.000
<v Speaker 1>much you're dictating other people's existence, right, and if and

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<v Speaker 1>that's by and large, you know, I can I got

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<v Speaker 1>a real problem with a lot of things in this

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<v Speaker 1>world that a lot of people find a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>joy in. So I'm welcome to hate that crap and

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<v Speaker 1>they're welcome to go enjoy it. Right. That's the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that I think, like we often are like,

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<v Speaker 1>let people love things, yeah, and I'm like, also, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let people hate things. I mean, to a certain degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously there's discrimination, but for example, Like I'm a big

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel movie fan. Yep, generally we won't get into it lately.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but then I see people like I can't

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<v Speaker 1>stand it. I sit through that, and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. I don't need to convince you to enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>I always rather like something than not, and I always

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<v Speaker 1>want people to have a similar experience to me when

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<v Speaker 1>something was positive. But it'd be real boring if all

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<v Speaker 1>we ever liked was all the same thing all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so true, I mean, you know, And that's I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm trying to do. More is is say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>think more, like why why does someone like that thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't like? What is attractive about it? At

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<v Speaker 2>least let me understand it. I might not change my

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<v Speaker 2>feeling about it whatsoever. But like I hate mushrooms, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>but I know that they add a lot of flavor

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<v Speaker 2>to things, you know, I understand their kind of meaty,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a good you know, like I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why you like mushrooms and I don't like them.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, I know there's and that's such a

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<v Speaker 2>such an easy thing to not care about. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>fight about, but that like people are like that with

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<v Speaker 2>cultural stuff like movies and stuff, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Get really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you can like in the friendships sometimes for

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, but you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Internet of course obviously rewards.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course that sort of engage.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, on the flip side of your mushrooms thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you hate mushrooms and I love mushrooms. Also, you love

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<v Speaker 1>mushrooms and I hate mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, right, So that's also true. Do you really

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<v Speaker 2>like mushrooms? Rug? So, I think we've gone through all

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<v Speaker 2>the headlines that we had.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's more So if you guys see something that

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<v Speaker 1>catches your eye makes you think of us, like that

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<v Speaker 1>makes us feel warm. So let us know. Shout had

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<v Speaker 1>a message tag us somewhere. Yeah that you see a

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<v Speaker 1>cool story and we'll go take a look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get it in here as well.

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