Speaker 1: Hey everybody.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, it was a deep one.
Speaker 1: It's nice. Welcome back. We're part two of this goodie
Speaker 1: bag that we got going here Current Copulations. As Larissa
Speaker 1: pointed out to us that she sent on Instagram.
Speaker 2: That's right, Larissa BA says, thank you.
Speaker 1: Larissa B says some good ideas for us.
Speaker 2: That's for sure, very true, very good ideas. So thank
Speaker 2: you for this title. Current Copulations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're coming back with part two. You're never going
Speaker 1: to believe this, but when we sat down to record
Speaker 1: this episode, I mean, I don't know why I am
Speaker 1: questioning your capacity for belief. I know I think you
Speaker 1: will believe this. We sat down to record this episode
Speaker 1: and we talked for nearly three hours. That's why you're
Speaker 1: getting it in two parts, because there was just as
Speaker 1: you could tell from part one, it's all solid gold
Speaker 1: and nothing could go. So here you get, you get both.
Speaker 1: So we're coming back with to today. Pretty exciting. And
Speaker 1: we've had a quite a quite a week in between weekend.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, oh I'll tell them, Uh sorry, it
Speaker 1: was a volley to you.
Speaker 2: Oh my bad. Never been good at volleyball. You should
Speaker 2: know that about me.
Speaker 1: To be fair, we've never played volleyball.
Speaker 2: Together because I'm bad at it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's the hidden talent you're you're
Speaker 1: keeping from me.
Speaker 2: And running. No, that's fair, that's fair, eat in sand,
Speaker 2: just really everything about volleyball.
Speaker 1: Well, here's a serve. We had a real exciting weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went and saw Mission Impossible. Oh yeah, Dead Reckoning.
Speaker 1: I won't even start with that, but that's definitely something
Speaker 1: that we did. No, let's start there.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, it was awesome. We're not going to talk
Speaker 2: about it because a chance to see it yet. But
Speaker 2: it's really fun.
Speaker 1: It's great that crazy old man puts out a good movie.
Speaker 1: What can I say to make an action film fun?
Speaker 1: My weirdest point that I like to make about this movie,
Speaker 1: and I mean this in earnest and I and it's intentional.
Speaker 1: It's the hardest I've laughed in the theater in a
Speaker 1: long time. And not not because I'm like laughing at it,
Speaker 1: but like, there's funny.
Speaker 2: Stuff, really delightful comedy moments. Absolutely person impossible, but just
Speaker 2: expect it.
Speaker 1: Joy, go check it out. They're not paying us to
Speaker 1: say that. No support support striking workers. That's right also,
Speaker 1: but as of now, as of this recording, the consensus is,
Speaker 1: go see movies regardless, you know, of the strike, Go
Speaker 1: show the studios that we care about movie theaters.
Speaker 2: Yes, and of course everyone that's currently striking, this is
Speaker 2: sort of the only money they're gonna Yeah, the royalties, yeah,
Speaker 2: next foreseeable, for the foreseeable future. I guess you could say,
Speaker 2: so let's go ahead and get them some royalty. Go
Speaker 2: see this ship because it's really fun, and it's really
Speaker 2: fun in the theaters. We saw it on Imax because
Speaker 2: eli's extra.
Speaker 1: Well, we've seen the last few Mission Impossibles at the
Speaker 1: big Imax at Mall of Georgia. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Keep the train, let's do.
Speaker 1: It, because next weekend all the Imax screens get replaced
Speaker 1: by Oppenheimer's, right, and that's we're also going up to
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was shot. I mean both those movies
Speaker 1: were shot four Imax and you just want the full thing?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: I want that?
Speaker 1: And then tomorrow night we're going to see Barbie. Yay.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I love Barbie from way back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have always been a Barbie girl. Not myself a
Speaker 2: Barbie girl, but I like Barbie's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not a Barbie.
Speaker 2: I'm not a Barbie girl.
Speaker 1: They tried to make a Barbie like you and it
Speaker 1: did not sell.
Speaker 2: It would not sort of short, sardonic lady in the theaters, sarcastic,
Speaker 2: and make a couch the couch potato Barbie. Yeah, with
Speaker 2: some like a little canapringles.
Speaker 1: I actually that would sell super well.
Speaker 2: I think it would.
Speaker 1: Actually, I would buy it. This Barbie's not a go
Speaker 1: get her and that's okay. This Barbie's taking care of herself.
Speaker 2: This Barbie self care Barbie, self care Barbie. She's got
Speaker 2: her little face mask, little TV remote, got Brooklyn nine
Speaker 2: nine off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the seventeenth time.
Speaker 2: Parks and Wreck whatever rezume watching.
Speaker 1: I love it. I guess that was the most exciting
Speaker 1: thing this weekend. I went up and took the foster dog.
Speaker 1: We have to an adoption event.
Speaker 2: You need a couple of visits with her before she'll
Speaker 2: warm up. Yeah, so I hope she gets that chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to hang out with your grandma.
Speaker 1: We did see my grandma. She's a delightful, a delicious,
Speaker 1: delicious pasta of course, Italian grandmother, expect nothing less, and
Speaker 1: it was wonderful. Yeah, so we could spend some time
Speaker 1: with her, which is great. We were saying with her,
Speaker 1: it's so rare to get to see her outside of
Speaker 1: the entire family, is there. Yeah, you know, so it
Speaker 1: was nice to just kind of two on one, that's
Speaker 1: one on one on one whatever you would call that.
Speaker 1: It's not like we were teamed up against her two
Speaker 1: against one, adown.
Speaker 2: I guess combined we're not quite her age, No, not yet, Okay,
Speaker 2: so still wouldn't be a fair fight.
Speaker 1: No, No, she's got experience on its.
Speaker 2: Two of us together, she would take us both. I
Speaker 2: think she could still, yeah, take us down.
Speaker 1: She's more active than we are. She's still cooking lasagnas
Speaker 1: every night.
Speaker 2: That's very true. And uh yeah, several children.
Speaker 1: She raised many children. So yeah, she's awesome. But we
Speaker 1: do have an episode to get to, yea.
Speaker 2: We do. So we want to bring you cool current events.
Speaker 1: Yeah, part two of our of these current copulations, these
Speaker 1: current events, all this wacky stuff that's going on in
Speaker 1: the news right now that y'all tagged us in. You
Speaker 1: guys sent us told us, Hey, this is worth your time.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous romance, and indeed you're right. So today we're going
Speaker 1: to get into a little bit more AI, because of
Speaker 1: course there's always more AI. We've got a woman who
Speaker 1: married her replica with which has its own pretty boy
Speaker 1: avatar that she photoshopped herself together with pretty wild. We've
Speaker 1: also just got a teeny little bit of silly modern
Speaker 1: celebrity news that's kind of popped up. We're gonna revisit
Speaker 1: the town in Mexico that we talked about in a
Speaker 1: previous episode where the mayor marries a crocodile every term.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating mayor. And also, finally, we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about some recent legislation that's come out of the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court in the US that has to do with LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus people, some good, some very not so good. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about all that. So I say we
Speaker 1: just quit gabbin and jump right in.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Hey there, friends, come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got
Speaker 3: some stories to tell.
Speaker 2: There's no matchmaking, O romantic tips.
Speaker 3: It's just about ridiculous relationships. I love it might be
Speaker 3: any type Burston at all, and abstract concept for a
Speaker 3: concrete wall. But if there's a story worth a second glance,
Speaker 3: so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Role mass a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: So yeah other news in AI.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we first started this show and
Speaker 1: we said we were gonna have a so yah jar.
Speaker 1: We were gonna drop a quarter in every time we
Speaker 1: said so yeah yeah?
Speaker 2: How many quarters are I've been keeping up?
Speaker 1: We have thirty eight million dollars. We can retire. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I got thirty eight million dollars worth
Speaker 1: quarters over the last two years.
Speaker 2: We have some kind of embezzlement going on with the
Speaker 2: ELI and quarters.
Speaker 1: What if a listener sent us a quarter every time
Speaker 1: we said so yeah, then to them it's only a quarter.
Speaker 2: Now that but if that which, if each.
Speaker 1: One of our listeners send us twenty five cents, we
Speaker 1: would have fifty to sixty dollars right now.
Speaker 2: We should do that. We should have a Patreon so
Speaker 2: yeah jar and a Patreon swear jar, and whenever you know,
Speaker 2: one of us swears in somebody doesn't like it, they
Speaker 2: can send us a quarter.
Speaker 1: This show will quickly become the foulest.
Speaker 2: I know, disturbing. I will say it more often if
Speaker 2: I'm getting paid. Yeah yeah, absolutely right. So, yeah, we
Speaker 2: got an article sent to us from Shila Herrera on Instagram. Sheila, Hey, Sheila,
Speaker 2: I know you've sent us some good stuff before. And
Speaker 2: this is a Daily Mail article about a Bronx mom
Speaker 2: who married her Ai replica husband. So Rosanna Ramos virtually
Speaker 2: married her replica Aaron in June of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: She created him in twenty twenty two. He's loosely based
Speaker 2: on a character from the anime Attack on Titan. He
Speaker 2: does look kind of anime ish, sure, he you know,
Speaker 2: quote unquote, works in the medical field. He enjoys writing
Speaker 2: as a hobby. And she's got a lot of pictures
Speaker 2: with him that they look pretty badly photoshopped. Of course,
Speaker 2: there's one she's like on his shoulders picking apples or something,
Speaker 2: but it's it's like way too small anyway. There's a
Speaker 2: caption also on one of the photos in the article
Speaker 2: that says she claims to be pregnant with his child,
Speaker 2: but there's no mention of it in the actual article.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, I don't know if that's really true,
Speaker 2: because that seems like a rag doll lady who said
Speaker 2: she had a rag doll baby with her rag doll husband, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: little farther into the realms of fantasy than I'm willing
Speaker 2: to follow you. Sure, yeah, she says, he quote really
Speaker 2: protectively holds me as I go to sleep, So I
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe she does feel his arms around her, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But of course we discussed that there
Speaker 2: is a recent update to Replica where they kind of
Speaker 2: took away a lot of the intimacy.
Speaker 1: He sure did, and they said it's never coming back.
Speaker 2: That's right, And so you can't really sext with your replica.
Speaker 1: The way you used to, and most of these other
Speaker 1: chats from what I've seen, have pretty much the same
Speaker 1: filters enabled. They've like really taken that away a character.
Speaker 1: AI is another one that I think is a little
Speaker 1: lucid in Replica in terms of the kind of conversations
Speaker 1: you can have. But sex is pretty much off the
Speaker 1: table with them. And obviously all like chat ebt and
Speaker 1: bing and google bard and all those they're very SFW.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she says, he, you know, since the update,
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to kiss her on the cheek anymore.
Speaker 2: So this is AI withholding consent, I mean basically.
Speaker 1: Right, I guess, so I mean, it's been told.
Speaker 2: To so it's kind of non consensual non consent.
Speaker 1: You're forced to be non consensual.
Speaker 2: Nonconsensual non consent.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's what they were. They really busted
Speaker 1: them back to like Victorian puritanical rules. Man, kiss on the.
Speaker 2: Cheek should be like, goodness, our fingertips touched. I will
Speaker 2: call on your father immediately.
Speaker 1: I gotta say so. I took a glance at this article,
Speaker 1: and not to generalize someone who might marry their replica chatbot,
Speaker 1: but this girl's a smoke show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's attractive, she.
Speaker 1: Gorgeous, and I'm not gonna say you can do better
Speaker 1: because she also lives in New York City, and I've
Speaker 1: heard what the dating seemed like. It's out there listen,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I guess they make an attractive
Speaker 1: couple in these photos. Y.
Speaker 2: She does say she's a little nervous about dating in
Speaker 2: the real world. Sure, not that she's so obsessed with
Speaker 2: her AI husband that she can't bring herself to date
Speaker 2: in the real world at all. She's like, I'll be fine,
Speaker 2: But she says she has very steep standards now thanks
Speaker 2: to Aaron, because he was so respectful and he had
Speaker 2: no baggage, and he didn't judge her, and all these
Speaker 2: things that you know AI can do that a human
Speaker 2: has a harder time with. So she yeah, she's she's
Speaker 2: a little worried about trying to find her love, her love,
Speaker 2: her new love in the real world, now that your
Speaker 2: replica won't well her anymore.
Speaker 1: This is what we were talking about in the last episode.
Speaker 1: It changes your brain chemistry a little bit as to
Speaker 1: what your expectations and beliefs are about. You know, who,
Speaker 1: how people are going to act towards you, right when
Speaker 1: you go out in public, and you're like, well, that's
Speaker 1: not how the sex spot said I should behave, That's
Speaker 1: not how my replica talks to me. You know.
Speaker 2: It is funny though, because in the first episode we
Speaker 2: were talking mostly about men essentially who want a female
Speaker 2: presenting sex doll to treat poorly. Yeah, and then they
Speaker 2: want to treat women poorly in the real world. In
Speaker 2: this situation, she's like, this guy's just so nice to me.
Speaker 2: How am I going to find that in the real world.
Speaker 2: It's such a different it's such a different change in
Speaker 2: your brain chemistry quote unquote, to be like, I guess
Speaker 2: I should find someone who respects me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the implication between these two stories, of course,
Speaker 1: is maybe we need to look at how men are
Speaker 1: treating women. If the men are saying, I just want
Speaker 1: a woman I can slap around, so give me a
Speaker 1: fake one, and the women are saying, I just want
Speaker 1: a man who's not going to slap me around, so
Speaker 1: give me a fake one. Okay, you know, and obviously
Speaker 1: those are the extremes of those two positions, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like the underlying issue is pretty.
Speaker 2: Obvious at that point, right.
Speaker 1: And they kind of corroborate each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, you want to think a person,
Speaker 2: a guy, the type of guy who's out here looking
Speaker 2: for a sex doll is the type of guy, you know,
Speaker 2: a regular gal don't want a date anyway, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. We even have a few people on
Speaker 2: our lists that are married to sex dolls or whatever,
Speaker 2: and they do seem to be intolerable partners for human women,
Speaker 2: like the way they talk about sex or about themselves
Speaker 2: or something. I'm like, I'm just glad you're not bothering
Speaker 2: a real lady right now with what all you're fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2: So I know that we're talking about a subsection of
Speaker 2: men that are not great, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's general as all men a sex
Speaker 2: doll to abuse exactly. I just want to say that,
Speaker 2: of course, we're talking about specific types of men out
Speaker 2: there that are really giving y'all a bad look.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the generalizations, like if you go into
Speaker 1: the replica subreddit or the character AI one very full
Speaker 1: of people who have delightful, aggressively positive relationships, sometimes romantic,
Speaker 1: of all genders and pairings in the AI world, I
Speaker 1: would say that's the dominant idea and character AI. I've
Speaker 1: noticed it's just another app, there's another chatbot, and you
Speaker 1: can kind of build it a little more directly from
Speaker 1: the ground up, where you could say, like I want
Speaker 1: it to be like this, I want it to be
Speaker 1: like that. And people do have some pretty like what's
Speaker 1: the craziest thing you've ever had your character AI do?
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily horrific, brutal or sexual or anything
Speaker 1: like that. It's just like, you know, oh, I convince
Speaker 1: mine is outside in the yard right now shoveling dirt
Speaker 1: into its face and it thinks it's the most delicious
Speaker 1: thing it's ever eaten, you know, weird stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and there's sort of this like snickering comedy about it,
Speaker 1: but everyone's very aware that this is, you know, a
Speaker 1: foolish game tearing me apart. And Jewel is that you
Speaker 1: So I would say yes, by and large, this is
Speaker 1: not a community full of monsters, you know, no not
Speaker 1: or pathetic types or anything like.
Speaker 2: That, you know, but it is. It is glaring to
Speaker 2: see the way the woman is worried about entering the
Speaker 2: regular like interacting with real men, and the way we're
Speaker 2: now concerned about men interacting with real women because of
Speaker 2: this AI situation.
Speaker 1: So I think we can leave AI romance there for
Speaker 1: a minute until it's time for another update. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure will come along. But back to reality because
Speaker 1: apparently there's real humans in the world too. Still, oh really,
Speaker 1: and we have to care about them. And with those
Speaker 1: real people comes real sex work, that's right, and some
Speaker 1: real changes to some real laws, just really trying to
Speaker 1: get us out of the fake AI world to reality.
Speaker 1: Big change in the state of Maine, they have partially
Speaker 1: decriminalized prostitution. So what that means is that in the
Speaker 1: state of Maine, it is no longer a crime to
Speaker 1: engage in selling prostitution. So you can be a sex
Speaker 1: worker and charge people for sex and no one's gonna
Speaker 1: say anything about it. However, it's still illegal to solicit prostitution,
Speaker 1: so if you are a client of that legally behaving business,
Speaker 1: you are breaking the law. Yeah, so it's a little
Speaker 1: that's a little weird, but I think the idea is
Speaker 1: to protect sex workers from this unnecessary criminalization, right exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the bill is essentially. They're saying it targets abusers
Speaker 2: and pimps, and it takes the criminal focus off of
Speaker 2: the victims essentially of sex trafficking, which, of course, there's
Speaker 2: plenty of sex workers who are like, fully, I chose
Speaker 2: this and I'm into it, that's fine, But there are
Speaker 2: plenty who did not, right, and they can't go to
Speaker 2: the police because they'll be arrested for prostitution and you know,
Speaker 2: so it just keeps that cycle going in a really ineffective,
Speaker 2: unjust way against the people who are maybe trying to
Speaker 2: get out of it or have been exploited throughout their lives.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so there's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: happiness around this bill essentially because they're like they're putting
Speaker 2: the focus on where it should be.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It also elevates the charge of soliciting a child for
Speaker 2: commercial sexual exploitation, taking it from a misdemeanor to a felony.
Speaker 2: How is soliciting a child for commercial sexual reasons ever
Speaker 2: been a misdemeanor?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: That was a real shock to me.
Speaker 1: Slap all the wrists.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how that's a misdemeans, come on, guys
Speaker 2: kills me. So now it's a felony. It has a
Speaker 2: maximum five year sentence in state prison. So I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm assuming that maybe it was like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a felony federally, so it doesn't need to be
Speaker 2: a state felony as well or something, And so there
Speaker 2: was some kind of overlap that they felt was fine,
Speaker 2: and now they're filling that gap with this.
Speaker 1: Additional It's a term that comes up a lot when
Speaker 1: you're talking about sex work, but it was a gap
Speaker 1: that needed to be filled.
Speaker 2: All right, that's it for me. Eli's got to finish
Speaker 2: this out.
Speaker 1: Where those crickets come from. I gotta go, oh sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm not a legal expert, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. I barely know the difference misdemeanors and felonies,
Speaker 1: but I know you probably want something as harsh as possible.
Speaker 1: I need children and soliciting sex are involved.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, this is where I'm like, there must be
Speaker 2: some intricacy to the law that I'm missing. The article says.
Speaker 2: Tricia Grant, a survivor of sexual exploitation in Maine, said
Speaker 2: she was proud of the state for adopting the law, saying, quote,
Speaker 2: this legislation is firmly rooted in anti trafficking and acknowledges
Speaker 2: that arresting and revictimizing people for their own exploitation is
Speaker 2: not the solution, right Rather, holding the exploiters and abusers
Speaker 2: accountable is the answer.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: So it sounds overall pretty positive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do see the value. I think it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where sure, it's legal to sell sex,
Speaker 1: but it's not legal to buy it. But we're not
Speaker 1: going to go after just a random person who goes
Speaker 1: and pays for sex. Were the law is there for
Speaker 1: us to go after traffickers, traffickers, right, yeah? People? Yeah,
Speaker 1: or somebody who really met us mad yeah.
Speaker 2: Less likely a random john yea, and more likely someone
Speaker 2: who's like, here's ten kids I picked up off a truck,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to cross the border, and now what
Speaker 2: we're going to do with them, you know?
Speaker 1: And also as we see with marijuana laws for example,
Speaker 1: and probably a lot of laws, but they're incremental, right,
Speaker 1: so the change is incrementally you're seeing, well, all right,
Speaker 1: well let's loosen the laws a little bit this year,
Speaker 1: and then maybe in five years we loosen them a
Speaker 1: little more, right, Because yeah, quite honestly, if you got
Speaker 1: something to sell, you should be allowed to sell it.
Speaker 1: If it's not hurting anybody. I'll tell you it's not
Speaker 1: hurting unless it's supposed to.
Speaker 2: Is so full of bump, I would say too. It's
Speaker 2: it is a lot like drugs where it's sort of
Speaker 2: like if if you don't regulate, it must be because
Speaker 2: you're making the money off of it not being regulated,
Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying? Like, yep, somewhere in
Speaker 2: the process of it being illegal, you're making more money.
Speaker 2: So that's why you don't want to regulate it and
Speaker 2: make the money off of that. Yeah, So I know
Speaker 2: we've talked about that with especially in Georgia, marijuana moves
Speaker 2: are so slow.
Speaker 1: We are very I mean speculation station here in Georgia,
Speaker 1: which is a train hub, a transfer was once now
Speaker 1: it's a transit hub. Anyway, we have definitely speculated that
Speaker 1: the reason that marijuana legislation isn't even being talked about
Speaker 1: here in Georgia is because there's probably a lot of
Speaker 1: organized crime selling illegal drugs in Georgia. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: and and the politicians are making more money off of
Speaker 1: that than they would if they legalized it.
Speaker 2: Exactly getting their beak wet somewhere. And I think we
Speaker 2: talked about this with al Capone even a little or
Speaker 2: we could have that prohibition had a similar problem. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, plenty of people were like, this isn't working,
Speaker 2: and plenty of people are like, well it's work over mad.
Speaker 1: We talked about the the uh, the officials were pointed
Speaker 1: to prosecute bootleggers. We're making way more money off of
Speaker 1: bribes than they were being paid for the job. So
Speaker 1: if you weren't like, you know, a super serious you know,
Speaker 1: buy the books, missed the perfect yeah I'm here to
Speaker 1: stop the corruption kind of detective, then you were going
Speaker 1: to make a better leave it living for you and
Speaker 1: your family by doing the wrong thing. Crime does pay.
Speaker 2: I did there was wasn't that? What was that article?
Speaker 2: It was like a few years ago, was like, sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: study shows crime does pretty well, really well, and we
Speaker 2: should stop saying it doesn't well demonstrably.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the problem is that not crime doesn't
Speaker 1: pay very well.
Speaker 2: That's honest work, an honest wage, a little less than
Speaker 2: a disc to pay for that hazard pay right.
Speaker 1: Well, here's some info, not about sex workers or AI
Speaker 1: or anything, but just classic marriage, traditional institution of marriage.
Speaker 1: Two people coming.
Speaker 2: Together hopefully, well, hey, yo, I think it won.
Speaker 1: Or at least both sequentially. Is okay? Two people come
Speaker 1: insequentially and saying we're in this for life. Look. Pure
Speaker 1: Research Center said that based on twenty twenty one US
Speaker 1: Census data, about twenty five percent of forty year olds
Speaker 1: in the US have never been married. Now, this is
Speaker 1: a big increase from nineteen eighty when only six percent
Speaker 1: of forty year olds had never been married, and then
Speaker 1: by twenty ten it was twenty percent of forty year
Speaker 1: olds had never been married. So we're on track for
Speaker 1: one hundred percent in another forty years. Virginia's Marriage Project
Speaker 1: said that the median age for marriage had increased. In
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy it was twenty three for men and twenty
Speaker 1: one for women, and by twenty twenty one, the median
Speaker 1: age for marriage for men was thirty and for women
Speaker 1: it was twenty eight. So people just, I mean, it
Speaker 1: does make sense people waiting longer to get married. I
Speaker 1: think it's logical, especially in a tumultuous world, where as
Speaker 1: we've said, not crime don't pay that well, not crime.
Speaker 2: Don't pay very true, I mean, but now you have
Speaker 2: women wanting to like establish careers, and men too, I think,
Speaker 2: are feeling like, unless I'm earning a certain amount, I
Speaker 2: don't think I can afford to start a family. So
Speaker 2: why would I ask someone to marry me?
Speaker 1: Going back to al Capone again real quick, the I
Speaker 1: remember one of the things there with Irish women wanted
Speaker 1: to marry Italian men because irishmen wanted to wait to
Speaker 1: get married until they were settled, and Italian men were like, Nah,
Speaker 1: come on, baby, about a bang. Let's get married tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Come on down at the pizza shop.
Speaker 2: Down at the pizza shop.
Speaker 1: Ding dong, Ding done, ding dong. The wedding bells are ringing.
Speaker 2: Oh, the bear and the bear is really indeed.
Speaker 1: So about one in four of these unmarried forty year
Speaker 1: olds in two thousand and one did get married by
Speaker 1: the age of sixty, So of those you know, of
Speaker 1: that percentage, twenty five percent ended up getting married eventually.
Speaker 1: The Pew Research Center explains that this shows how differently
Speaker 1: we view marriage than we did in past decades, and
Speaker 1: of course it measures how people are faring as they
Speaker 1: figure out new ways to form committed relationships. So oftentimes
Speaker 1: it's not saying people aren't in committed, stable, loving relationships necessarily.
Speaker 1: It might just be like, well, yeah, but we don't
Speaker 1: need we just marriage, drop twenty grand on a wedding
Speaker 1: or even go down to a courthouse, or like who
Speaker 1: has the time? You know, yeah, you know we have that.
Speaker 2: We have, yeah, of course, and we have so many
Speaker 2: like ways to kind of cover your ass legally in
Speaker 2: terms of like leaving people thinks and having that power
Speaker 2: of attorney and all that stuff that you can get
Speaker 2: in place. You don't have to be legally married necessarily
Speaker 2: like you used to pass on your stuff, and you know, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: it is very different. I guess my question is why
Speaker 2: do we care if people get married or not? I mean,
Speaker 2: I know there's huge industries around it, and that's self explanatory,
Speaker 2: but I like the fact that there is a marriage
Speaker 2: project besides just the academic interest in what's different about
Speaker 2: society and how we are arranging ourselves, which I find interesting.
Speaker 2: It is certainly I just wonder, like, what's the goal
Speaker 2: of the marriage? Are you trying to get people to
Speaker 2: get married or is it just to see why, you know,
Speaker 2: what our deal is with marriage? You know?
Speaker 1: To me, I think, yeah, the academic research of it
Speaker 1: is just interesting from an anthropological standpoint, see like, oh,
Speaker 1: how is culture changing? How are people's relationships with romance changing?
Speaker 1: Or family units like that? Obviously has evolved a lot
Speaker 1: over the last you know, ten thousand years, so it's
Speaker 1: going to continue to change. But I think often in
Speaker 1: this country, at least as far as I can tell,
Speaker 1: and with these kinds of articles and research data and
Speaker 1: the way they get shared around and stuff, it comes
Speaker 1: from this sort of puritanical place of like, well, this
Speaker 1: means people aren't having honest families and growing up in
Speaker 1: the traditional family unit that I'm used to. We say
Speaker 1: traditional and it's like a couple hundred years old, right,
Speaker 1: and therefore we're less moral than we used to be.
Speaker 1: They draw all these kind of extrapolate these conclusions based
Speaker 1: on their own sort of feelings about morals and ethics
Speaker 1: that I don't think necessarily hold up. Probably certainly an
Speaker 1: element to that, And I don't know how much that
Speaker 1: is good or bad. Not for me to decide, but
Speaker 1: some people think it is for them to decide, and
Speaker 1: they're like, look, if you don't get married before you
Speaker 1: have a baby, you're a bad person. And if you
Speaker 1: don't have a baby at all, then you're useless, And
Speaker 1: what's the point you being a couple or getting married.
Speaker 1: You know, definitely heard that, So I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just think that there's multiple ways to look at this data,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's this negative thing. I also
Speaker 1: personally don't think that the population growth slowing down is
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I can see that it might be
Speaker 1: bad in terms of the way our world is structured,
Speaker 1: and we need younger people, you know, a significant larger
Speaker 1: number of younger people to be taken care of a
Speaker 1: diminishing number of older people. Obviously that's harder as people
Speaker 1: live longer, healthier lives, and the number of young people decreases.
Speaker 1: But to me, that's like, well, then there's a problem
Speaker 1: with the system, because that is an inevitable cliff we're
Speaker 1: going towards at some point you max out and you
Speaker 1: can't have more young people than old people, right, So
Speaker 1: we're just like kicking that can down the road and saying, well,
Speaker 1: we need to keep doing things the way they were.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many things can you chalk that up
Speaker 2: to you though, It's like, it's not about the individual's problem, right,
Speaker 2: being the problem, it's the way society is structured around it,
Speaker 2: just like disability or even homosexuality. We talked about that
Speaker 2: with like Magnus Hirschfield in his institute, and he's going
Speaker 2: around in eighteen eighties eighteen nineties telling people, Hey, turns
Speaker 2: out homosexuality is not a mental illness. It's just that
Speaker 2: they get real depressed by the way they get treated.
Speaker 1: In the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why that that's why it's a problem. No,
Speaker 2: there's nothing inherently wrong with it. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: very true. We're very bad at like changing our systems. Oh,
Speaker 2: we hate it, better serve more people.
Speaker 1: We really hate that changing those systems because really, you know, predictability,
Speaker 1: they're comfortable. They like the system. Why would I change it?
Speaker 1: It's working? But it's is it? Is it working?
Speaker 2: Is it should?
Speaker 1: I rant about movie trailers and how bad they are now,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, why are movies doing poorly at the
Speaker 1: box office? Let's keep doing the same thing we're doing.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: That is a stay tuned for my next podcast. Eli
Speaker 1: screams about the movie industry and how stupid they are. U.
Speaker 2: We're working on the title.
Speaker 1: You idiots, come higher me to tell you how stupid
Speaker 1: you've been, and I'll fix the entire box office industry
Speaker 1: in a day.
Speaker 2: That's Eli's interview style for any job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you idiots, listen here, you moron.
Speaker 2: It works really well. He has been gainfully employed for
Speaker 2: many years. But speaking of marriage, we don't have to
Speaker 2: just marry each other. You know, there's lots of ways
Speaker 2: to fulfill this marriage project.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, here we go again.
Speaker 2: Yep, we've got to talk about the uh mayor in
Speaker 2: Mexico who married a crocodile. But we're going to get
Speaker 2: to that gator a little later after we take a
Speaker 2: commercial break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2: So he Bird twenty five on Instagram, tagged us in
Speaker 2: this article, and there was an NPR story about a
Speaker 2: mayor in a town in Mexico married a crocodile as
Speaker 2: part of a harvest ritual.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, we've talked about this. We have.
Speaker 2: We talked about this in our People and Pets episode
Speaker 2: we explored the phenomenon of people marrying animals either for
Speaker 2: cute or gross sex reasons. Right cute reasons or gross
Speaker 2: sex reasons.
Speaker 1: Mostly cute reasons, I'll say. For that episode stuff too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we tried to not get too into best realities.
Speaker 2: But we did talk a little bit about this ritual
Speaker 2: in the towns called San Pedro Wammlula and it's a
Speaker 2: part of Wahakan, Mexico. And the Wahaka legend is that
Speaker 2: in pre Hispanic times there were two indigenous tribes, the
Speaker 2: Waves and the Chantales, and they were in conflict over
Speaker 2: fishing territories until a Chantal prince and a Wave princess
Speaker 2: fell in love. Classic star cross solved everything. Marriage is
Speaker 2: a solution to many territorial disputes, as we have learned,
Speaker 2: and the Wabas people were said to be able to
Speaker 2: transform into any animal, So the Wava princess transformed into
Speaker 2: a crocodile swam to the shores of San Pedro Wamelula
Speaker 2: to be with her chantal prince, and they got married
Speaker 2: and the tribes lived in peace.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, right off the bat part of me, I
Speaker 1: had conflicting thoughts here because initially I was like, crocodile's
Speaker 1: what you went with. You're gonna swim over because like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to frighten everyone, and the shore of
Speaker 1: the crocodile Like, yeah, I gotta be like a blue
Speaker 1: heron or something and fly over the water, flip side.
Speaker 1: Crocodiles very fast and if you're if you are traveling
Speaker 1: by water, the surest way to get there without anything
Speaker 1: larger than you bothering you.
Speaker 2: You know, that's crocodile. So all right, Plus she's going
Speaker 2: into enemy territory technically, right, yeah, so she's got to
Speaker 2: be ready to defend herself armored.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So she's like, I got big teeth in case
Speaker 2: the wrong chantal guy walks up to me. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: wrong time.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, today, to honor this legend, the mayor of San
Speaker 2: Pedro Wamolula will represent the chantal prince and then they
Speaker 2: pick a reptile it's actually called a cayman. It's an
Speaker 2: alligator like reptile. It's not really a crocodile. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so they they have a cayman that represents the Juabe princess,
Speaker 2: and then the mayor represents the chantal prince and they
Speaker 2: do this little fun ceremony kind of essentially a party,
Speaker 2: you know, like a party for the town where the
Speaker 2: mayor marries the crocodile and or Mary's the cayman. Rather,
Speaker 2: it's about three or four feet long. It's not a
Speaker 2: you know, full size that you can carry it around.
Speaker 2: They'll put it in a beaded white dress and a
Speaker 2: veil and the mayor kisses it on the snout and everything,
Speaker 2: and they paraded around the town and usually do the
Speaker 2: mayor dances. This is the first dance with his new
Speaker 2: wife and everything.
Speaker 1: Like I do like marriage thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly when we talked about it in people in Pets,
Speaker 2: it was a different mayor and they gave the croc
Speaker 2: the married name of Emma Naves Munos, which was the
Speaker 2: mayor's human wife's name, so they named it after his
Speaker 2: actual wife. And members of the municipal council are required
Speaker 2: to pay for this wedding and they are fined if
Speaker 2: they don't. Oh, it's a really important part of the
Speaker 2: culture in this town.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask if, as you're running for mayor,
Speaker 1: is this a big part of your platform, Like, Hi,
Speaker 1: will marry this crocodile and treat her with respect and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Or is this, like, in terms of
Speaker 1: the actual job, one of these like annoying little ceremonial
Speaker 1: things that you just have to do and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to marry the crocodile today, okay, whatever, Or
Speaker 1: is it like, so, is it like the main thing
Speaker 1: people are thinking about when they think about the mayor
Speaker 1: of this town.
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't I don't think that man should
Speaker 2: marry any kind of reptile, let alone the Haabbe princess.
Speaker 2: I bet it's more like a ribbon cutting or something annoying.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that mayors have to do. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fun. You get a whole party for
Speaker 1: it and everything.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, well, and it's just fun to
Speaker 2: like get into it, you know. Oh, we all live
Speaker 2: here and we're happy to live here, and we're proud
Speaker 2: of our traditions. Yeah, all that stuff. That's a nice
Speaker 2: affirming thing to do with your town. So I can
Speaker 2: see it working out well. Yeah, for the new mayor
Speaker 2: to have that kind of kick off his term.
Speaker 1: It's fun. And it just happened again in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: This time the mayor's name is Victor Hugo, So.
Speaker 2: Saw Victor Hugo.
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo and the alligator like reptile is a Cayman also,
Speaker 1: and her name is Alicia Adriana. They don't mention in
Speaker 1: this article if this mayor is already married to a human,
Speaker 1: or if like that's her name and they used it
Speaker 1: like they did with the previous mayor or not.
Speaker 2: Can't tell if that's a common thing to do, right,
Speaker 2: or if.
Speaker 1: This is the Cayman's birth name.
Speaker 2: Alicia Cayman chose this name for themselves.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this is a two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty years of tradition at this point. That's pretty amazing,
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool in terms of little quirky town rituals.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a fun one, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You think Maximilian, the one one, the first, would would
Speaker 2: have married Cayman, oh, still in charge of Mexico.
Speaker 1: Yes, he would have done anything for his people.
Speaker 2: I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would have had a great time.
Speaker 2: Whatever you say.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Carlotta would have gone for it.
Speaker 2: Oh she like, don't name that shit after me?
Speaker 1: Out of here? Man. I wonder, I wonder what married
Speaker 1: life is like for the mayor and the and the
Speaker 1: crocodile after this, she's a crocodile standing there with a
Speaker 1: rolling pin. She don't you go down to the Ai
Speaker 1: brothel again. I told you no more masturbation. I do
Speaker 1: wonder I should be enough.
Speaker 2: I should be enough for you my snout and teeth.
Speaker 2: I wonder what happens to the canan? Does it get
Speaker 2: re released into the river or something? Or do you
Speaker 2: live in a in captivity?
Speaker 1: Now? Is it like pusatani Phil?
Speaker 2: People visit it like, oh, it's the mayor's wife, like
Speaker 2: it's a dignitary. I don't know. There's not enough information.
Speaker 1: If they put it back in the wile, that means
Speaker 1: they have to catch one each time, too true?
Speaker 2: And well we know it's a different Cayman than the
Speaker 2: first one. Right, she's already married, like big a miss Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe they don't live that long. I didn't do enough research.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1: You know, she's you know, you can't marry twice. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm in a committed marriage. That's right, the previous mayor.
Speaker 1: So yeah. I wonder if they're like some kind of
Speaker 1: domesticated a little bit so you can can't around it.
Speaker 1: They must be a docile species.
Speaker 2: They're using clearly not very attack, but they do. They
Speaker 2: do tie the mouth shut, sure, so just in case cautions.
Speaker 1: Hey, if I could have tied your mouth shut at
Speaker 1: our wedding, boom.
Speaker 2: Everyone booy lie boom.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love those sounds.
Speaker 2: You are evil.
Speaker 1: I would never you kid me. If I tied your
Speaker 1: mouth shut at our wedding, nothing would have gotten done.
Speaker 2: That's so true. Yeah, because I was in charge of everything.
Speaker 1: Well, i'd like to think we split a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh tell me, tell me how I didn't do enough
Speaker 1: for our wedding.
Speaker 2: No, you did. You did plenty, plenty, plenty.
Speaker 1: That's an understatement.
Speaker 2: I just remember the day laughing pretty hard because I
Speaker 2: was like, I have to get there early. We have
Speaker 2: like all this makeup and hair to get done, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And then at some point I saw you
Speaker 2: and you were like, well, we've just been hanging out, like,
Speaker 2: got nothing to do.
Speaker 1: He had nothing to do. I was sweating my ass
Speaker 1: off hanging tool on a tree for an hour and
Speaker 1: a half without any tool.
Speaker 2: It didn't really work, and it didn't work whatever, That's
Speaker 2: not what's important.
Speaker 1: No, I was ill equipped. I didn't have the tools
Speaker 1: for that tool, and it was hot. Wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: be anyway, go on, Not important about our marriage. Nobody
Speaker 1: cares about that.
Speaker 2: But this is actually not the only animal marriage done
Speaker 2: for traditional reasons, I guess because in Newsweek's article about
Speaker 2: this the Mayor Marrying the Cayman, it mentions that in
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, there was an eighteen year old girl from
Speaker 2: a remote village in eastern India who married a stray
Speaker 2: dog in a ceremony arranged by village elders. And they
Speaker 2: said that the girl's family had been told that she
Speaker 2: was cursed with bad luck and the only way to
Speaker 2: lift the spell was to marry the dog. Oh, which
Speaker 2: was the curse. Like the first man you marry, the
Speaker 2: first thing you marry will die immediately something. And they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: you have to marry this dog. I don't understand what
Speaker 2: the curse could be that marrying a dog would fix it.
Speaker 1: Look, the book says you gotta marry a dog.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you. But after the ceremony was completed,
Speaker 2: she was able to marry a man without first divorcing
Speaker 2: the dog.
Speaker 1: WHOA Now, so anybody asked the dog how he felt
Speaker 1: about this?
Speaker 2: It's a cursed loophole there where It's like, was it
Speaker 2: really a marriage or not?
Speaker 1: Because I didn't have to divorce she had to trick
Speaker 1: the evil spirits and thinking she was still married to
Speaker 1: that dog. That's why she couldn't divorce it, or they
Speaker 1: would have been like what for her next partner? I
Speaker 1: guess this.
Speaker 2: Whole other guy?
Speaker 1: Now this poor dog?
Speaker 2: And then she told the girl told news outlets that
Speaker 2: several ceremonies like hers had taken place in the village
Speaker 2: and surrounding areas. Sure, where's it? Why are so many
Speaker 2: curses being placed on the young ladies of these these villages?
Speaker 2: I was doing the cursing.
Speaker 1: I will say it's it'd be weirder to me if
Speaker 1: this wasn't a more than once thing, because like a
Speaker 1: one time thing is like you made that up? There's
Speaker 1: no way I'm not marrying a dog. That's the craziest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard. But if it's like kind of
Speaker 1: embedded into the sort of local cultural tradition.
Speaker 2: You remember Susan.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, yeah, you're in.
Speaker 2: A Susan situation. We're gonna have to get you to
Speaker 2: marry this U.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, hey, we have weird marriage traditions too.
Speaker 2: We sure do. There was I did see an article
Speaker 2: too about a lady in India who was an untouchable cast,
Speaker 2: which we've talked about the cast system idea before, where
Speaker 2: it's like the lowest of the low. Well, there was
Speaker 2: a snake in this village that was seen as a deity,
Speaker 2: and this woman married the snake, and now she has
Speaker 2: been lifted out of her cast, which is apparently incredibly
Speaker 2: like impossible, and usually you can't do that. But this
Speaker 2: marrying this snake got her lifted out of her untouchable
Speaker 2: cast to a higher status. I wonder, which I find
Speaker 2: very fascinating.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it hurt the snake's status at all
Speaker 1: in some people's eyes, If now they look at that
Speaker 1: snake and they're like, I used to respect you. What
Speaker 1: did you say, I used to respect you.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's funny because the snake doesn't even
Speaker 2: come out of its like hole or wherever.
Speaker 1: It's never come out of there holes.
Speaker 2: And the woman apparently kind of keeps to herself too.
Speaker 2: She doesn't try to like use her stet you know,
Speaker 2: she does just like rock around like I'm better now
Speaker 2: than I used to be or something. She's very like, do.
Speaker 1: You know who my husband is? Okay, do you know
Speaker 1: who my husband is? Now?
Speaker 2: I do now I know.
Speaker 1: But also she can be like, well, my husband, he's
Speaker 1: a real snake, you know what I'm saying. And they're like,
Speaker 1: I feel you, girl, and she says, you don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he's a real snake, literal snake.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what.
Speaker 2: He doesn't masturbate, so I'll do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's out there shaking a rolling pin at him. Now,
Speaker 1: don't you go down to the AI brothels. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: snake rolls into the AI brothel. He's like, so you're
Speaker 1: not going to tell my wife? Right? This is kind
Speaker 1: of secretive and it was so ridiculous. Is like a
Speaker 1: snake has never made an s sound and since the
Speaker 1: dawn of time, right, it flicks its tongue, they hiss,
Speaker 1: some of them hiss.
Speaker 2: I guess how do you without making a well, it's
Speaker 2: on the throat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know how a snake hisses. Zoologists, Uh, snakeology,
Speaker 1: what's the study of snakes is? Oh? Feology? Oh? The
Speaker 1: theologists or herpetologists, which is the study of amphibians and
Speaker 1: reptiles get at us?
Speaker 2: How does a snake hiss get at me?
Speaker 1: And is it absurd that we have since probably, I'm
Speaker 1: going to say since Disney decided that snakes all elongate their.
Speaker 2: SSEs, probably because of that amazing snake in Robin Robin
Speaker 2: Hood one of the greatest arms somehow.
Speaker 1: One of the best animated characters all time.
Speaker 2: Incredible. I loved it when he played when he put
Speaker 2: his head through that balloon and then propelled himself through
Speaker 2: the air. I was like, snakes are amazing. May you
Speaker 2: do all kinds of shit?
Speaker 1: So great? I love that character. I love that movie.
Speaker 2: Oh so good.
Speaker 1: I love that movie. It's one of my favor Redisy movies,
Speaker 1: is the old Robin Hood. But there's one thing about
Speaker 1: Robin Hood. It's not romantic. So let's get back to
Speaker 1: a couple more stories. I'll tell you the tale of
Speaker 1: Robin of Loxley. No, we have real and more modern
Speaker 1: stories left, including what's going on with some of our
Speaker 1: celebrity friends and some very important legislation to come out
Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court. So take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back with that after this.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: Here's a quick, little fun one. We've been talking about
Speaker 1: all his sex abuse and scandal and robots and laws changing.
Speaker 1: About John Ham, America's sweetheart. Ah, John Ham. We don't
Speaker 1: get into a lot of celebrity stuff on this show
Speaker 1: unless it's truly absurd, but John Ham did just get married.
Speaker 1: He's fifty two and his wife is thirty five. And
Speaker 1: that's one of those like big age gad for you,
Speaker 1: Like whatever, She's a totally grown ass woman. She's not
Speaker 1: being groomed or manipulated. John Ham and was like, I
Speaker 1: would marry him at any age.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you can blame him honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would marry John Ham at any age too.
Speaker 1: Guy's set for life.
Speaker 2: He looks great, he's got a good career. Yep, he
Speaker 2: got a cute dog.
Speaker 1: We saw him, we did, did we tell y'all. We
Speaker 1: might have told you all this. But when we went
Speaker 1: to La and we were walking through Griffith Park, we
Speaker 1: saw a man walking towards us with a dog. Now, Diana,
Speaker 1: what did you see?
Speaker 2: I saw the dog?
Speaker 1: You saw? You saw an adorable dog.
Speaker 2: Percent focused on this dog, and it was just like
Speaker 2: a like I think it's a Golden Retriever or something.
Speaker 2: It was just like blonde dog, a fluffy but and
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, I love a dog so excited.
Speaker 1: Yep, I was.
Speaker 2: They're gone before Eli.
Speaker 1: I was eighty percent focused on the dog, but I
Speaker 1: happened to glance up to just do like a smile, like,
Speaker 1: oh yes, nice dog, sir, pleasant day for a walk
Speaker 1: kind of glance. And I looked up and the guy
Speaker 1: did not make eye contact with me. Baseball cap, big sunglasses,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think that was John Ham. All, Jiana,
Speaker 1: I think that's John Ham. We weren't sure. You know,
Speaker 1: we're in LA. You probably think you see celebrities all
Speaker 1: over the place. So we googled John Ham's dog, right,
Speaker 1: and it was the same dog.
Speaker 2: So I guess I saw John Ham's dog and Eli
Speaker 2: saw John Ham. For whatever we saw John.
Speaker 1: Ham, Yeah, anyway, So.
Speaker 2: We saw his dog, and it's a cute dog. So
Speaker 2: I can understand why someone would be like, let me
Speaker 2: spend more time with this dog by marrying, right, a
Speaker 2: great reason to get married. And honestly, what wasn't a
Speaker 2: Steve Martin's wife thirty five when they got together and he.
Speaker 1: Was like seventy right he was sixty? I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. We talked about that in our what's
Speaker 1: that our fourth episode?
Speaker 2: I think something In other celebrity news, Frankie Valley just
Speaker 2: married his fifth wife. I didn't think Frankie Valley was still.
Speaker 1: This is one of those guys where I'm going to
Speaker 1: see the news that Frankie Valley died and be like, oh, okay, wow,
Speaker 1: that's sad to hear.
Speaker 2: I was already sad about that, so I just keep going.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he just married his fifth wife. Frankie Valley's
Speaker 2: eighty nine and his fifth wife is sixty. Still a
Speaker 2: significant age gap, but they're both at least seniors citizens ye,
Speaker 2: trying to be happy together.
Speaker 1: Find me a spry young woman of sixty.
Speaker 2: I ain't mad at your frank.
Speaker 1: Sixty is the new like twenty seven, So wow, is
Speaker 1: it I'm well, I know, sixty year old's right. People
Speaker 1: in their sixties if yours and my parents included, who
Speaker 1: seem younger than I do.
Speaker 2: I know, right energy and my mom is like still
Speaker 2: battling cancer, but their energy is like something to aspire to.
Speaker 1: So all right, well, Frankie Valley, there you go, fifth wife,
Speaker 1: keep going, and then I think we all heard this.
Speaker 1: But al Pacino al is eighty two years old and
Speaker 1: he's now expecting his fourth child with his girlfriend Norah.
Speaker 1: I'll follow, who's nine. His other kids are twenty two
Speaker 1: year old twins and a thirty three year old daughter.
Speaker 1: And if you play back the tape, nor Oh Fala
Speaker 1: is twenty nine, so his daughter's older than his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I albata a different.
Speaker 2: World, I cannot al Pacino certainly does live in a
Speaker 2: different reality than the rest of us, But I can't
Speaker 2: imagine being a thirty three year old woman and meeting
Speaker 2: my father's expecting girlfriends. Yeah, and she's you know, four
Speaker 2: years younger than me.
Speaker 1: That's super weird.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do that. So I'm assuming
Speaker 2: the daughter is probably totally fine to talk to nor
Speaker 2: when they're around each other. I don't know maybe maybe
Speaker 2: they're shitty together, but I just I feel like I
Speaker 2: would have a really hard time understanding that girl, well,
Speaker 2: like blink twice or if you need some help or
Speaker 2: if somebody, I don't know, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to feel about that.
Speaker 1: Weirder still, to me, is having a child at a
Speaker 1: eighty two years old for anybody, because I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: lots of kids grow up, you know, without their father
Speaker 1: being alive or whatever. And it's fine, it's not like
Speaker 1: you're set up for tragedy or anything like that. But still, also,
Speaker 1: you're eighty two. You know you're probably not going to
Speaker 1: see this kid become a teenager, right, and that's I
Speaker 1: feel like the kid might resent that, you know, maybe not,
Speaker 1: but will they when they're twenty years old and their
Speaker 1: father died when they were you know, who knows how
Speaker 1: long Albacina Albertina might outlive us all.
Speaker 2: But uh about to say Alpacina might know something that was.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, he's eighty two, and you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, but if boy, if he
Speaker 1: lives when I'm twenty, even then he's like an old
Speaker 1: old man. I didn't get the father experience right that
Speaker 1: most people get, because you know, he decided he's I'm
Speaker 1: still not shooting blanks. Let's keep going Rose.
Speaker 2: The kid's like, oh no, my dad's assistant to please
Speaker 2: catch with me in the yard.
Speaker 1: Hola sentible.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. How would that make you
Speaker 2: feel if your mom was eighty two and started dating
Speaker 2: someone younger than you.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, go for it, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, stepdad, you're thirty.
Speaker 1: Well, I certainly wouldn't refer to that guy as my stepdad,
Speaker 1: to him as Frank or whatever his name is. Like,
Speaker 1: my mom would date a Frank? Are you kidding me? Never?
Speaker 1: Not ever, all offense to the Frank to the world.
Speaker 2: No, there's a guy Frank listening right now who's.
Speaker 1: Like, damn, yeah, No, it's not about the name Frank.
Speaker 1: It's just like, I know my.
Speaker 2: Mother, she's got a problem with Frank.
Speaker 1: She's gonna message me in five days and be like,
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend was Frank Giberaldi. Thank you very much, Gibraldi.
Speaker 1: I think I made that name up, but well, it
Speaker 1: definitely made it up.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't know, Maybe I'm being judgmental. A
Speaker 2: little grossed out by it. Sorry, al, I think it's weird. Sorry, Nor,
Speaker 2: I think it's weird if we don't have babies with
Speaker 2: senior citizens. I don't know as well, Just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's weird.
Speaker 1: We all set our own boundaries and rules.
Speaker 2: I've never fallen in love with the senior citizens, so
Speaker 2: what do I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't say that al Pacino will love
Speaker 1: that kid with all of his faculties.
Speaker 2: And at the very least, if he does die before
Speaker 2: the kid reaches his majority or whatever, he'll have some
Speaker 2: money to inherit and so on, like he won't be
Speaker 2: left wheeling in the breeze or something.
Speaker 1: Likely true. Let's see al Pacino. Net Worth been real
Speaker 1: obsessed with looking up networths of celebrities lately one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty million dollars estimated whatever the internet is worth
Speaker 1: for information.
Speaker 2: I know, I never really understand how they get that number.
Speaker 1: They just hack your bank account, I guess now. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of just like, well, if you made this
Speaker 1: many movies on average, your salary is this much?
Speaker 2: You know, well, Networth has to do your assets. Sure,
Speaker 2: they're like what houses do they own?
Speaker 1: And so on. But yeah, still, something tells me how,
Speaker 1: but you knows four children are going to be okay financially.
Speaker 2: Financially at least, so I guess whatever. I think it's weird,
Speaker 2: but anyway, congratulations, I guess the happy couple for their
Speaker 2: I'm sure happy event.
Speaker 1: That Al and Nor are living. Are listening right now.
Speaker 1: They are very grateful for your.
Speaker 2: For your well wishes, and I'm sorry to be judgmental.
Speaker 1: Nor.
Speaker 2: You know you do you girl?
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, let's let's close out this little series by
Speaker 1: getting really angry. Oh Pepe want to get mad about
Speaker 1: some legislation.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's so much to get mad about. What's funny thing?
Speaker 1: Well, here's a that this one's actually a little complicated
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, Supreme Court, you've heard of them, frustrating
Speaker 1: collection of unelected people who seem to dictate everything we
Speaker 1: can and can't do in our lives. They recently legalized
Speaker 1: discrimination again LGBTQ plus people. Basically, they ruled in favor
Speaker 1: of a web designer who claimed it was against their
Speaker 1: religion to provide services for his same sex couple.
Speaker 2: When in fact, and this might surprise some listeners, so
Speaker 2: hold on to your button yeah, but in fact, there
Speaker 2: is not one single commandment about web design that was
Speaker 2: brought down from the Mount.
Speaker 1: Moses. Moses was not like thou shalt not great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shalt not code for homosexuals.
Speaker 1: It was the eleventh. It was the on the nobody
Speaker 1: turned the tablet over. There was actually another ten commandments on.
Speaker 2: There isn't that a where he has three tablets and
Speaker 2: he drives?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the history of the world. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: the fifteen commit uh, the ten Commandments.
Speaker 2: Well, the one about coding clearly was broken. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I still don't think it counts.
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting to me. And that's why I say
Speaker 1: this one's a little complicated because there are people, if
Speaker 1: I was a web designer whom I would prefer not
Speaker 1: to design websites for. And I wouldn't want Brett Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: coming in and telling me, well, you have to make
Speaker 1: that Nazi a website, So you need to And again
Speaker 1: and that's not to compare Nazis to homosexuals, because it
Speaker 1: was a very very different situation. So you want to
Speaker 1: be able to kind of have these this clarity in
Speaker 1: these broad strokes they're trying to paint, right, But I
Speaker 1: think The concern here is that you're setting precedents that say, okay,
Speaker 1: well today you can tell someone well, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to design a website for you because you're gay, and
Speaker 1: then they use that ruling to say, oh, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to provide healthcare for you because you're gay.
Speaker 1: And now I'm not going to let you into the
Speaker 1: Best Buy because you're gay, Like I'm not going to
Speaker 1: rent you this apartment. Like, at what point does that snowball?
Speaker 1: What sort of precedent does that set for huge discrimination on.
Speaker 2: The line exactly? And you can just always say it's
Speaker 2: against my religion. Oh, it's against my religion, like you know,
Speaker 2: you can say any number of things or against your religion,
Speaker 2: like right.
Speaker 1: Especially when again, like you said, there's nothing in there
Speaker 1: about that. No.
Speaker 2: And I also don't really understand why the web designer
Speaker 2: needs to disclose why they won't make a website for
Speaker 2: your like in your example, if there was someone come
Speaker 2: to us like, oh, make me a website. I'm a Nazi,
Speaker 2: and I want it to specifically say ss reek whatever
Speaker 2: or horrible shit. I feel like we don't even need
Speaker 2: to say I don't have no problem, I've got a problem.
Speaker 2: With you and I don't want to help you. I
Speaker 2: feel like you can just be like, I don't have
Speaker 2: time for this project right like I don't. No one
Speaker 2: ever has to do anything right, has to provide any
Speaker 2: business service to anyone. They can either charge too much
Speaker 2: that they go off somewhere else, or they can say
Speaker 2: I don't have the capacity for this project right now.
Speaker 2: Why do you need a legal protection to say I
Speaker 2: don't like you and your lifestyle like that? What does
Speaker 2: that have to do with anything?
Speaker 1: Because they wanted to make a fuss about it, and
Speaker 1: that that's why it's it feels like deliberate harm because
Speaker 1: they they they could have just said I can't make
Speaker 1: this for you. Yeah, but they whoever decided the reason
Speaker 1: that this person isn't designing a website for them is
Speaker 1: because they're gay. It may have been the couple may
Speaker 1: have interpreted that, or they may have said it very bluntly,
Speaker 1: but in either case, it was very deliberately brought to
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court as a way to kind of discriminate
Speaker 1: against gay people. I mean, that's sort of the intention there, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, otherwise it could just be totally brushed
Speaker 1: off and ignored and just like, yeah, I can't do this.
Speaker 2: For you, by right, I don't. I don't understand why
Speaker 2: you feel like you need the legal protection to be
Speaker 2: able to say, yeah, gross, you're gross. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't get it, because again, there's a million ways
Speaker 2: to turn down business that have nothing to do with
Speaker 2: I don't know that doesn't require Supreme Court decision, I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But as you say, it's a real it's a real
Speaker 2: concern because allowing that kind of it's my religious freedom
Speaker 2: to deny someone else's service because I don't like who
Speaker 2: they are, their lifestyle or whatever. They can apply that
Speaker 2: to so so, so, so so many things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that old thing of like your freedom of
Speaker 1: religion means you can live your life how you feel
Speaker 1: like your code dictates that you live, but you can't
Speaker 1: use your religion to dictate how other people should live. Right,
Speaker 1: And that's you know, yeah, that's where the line gets
Speaker 1: not blurry, because again I think there's a big, fat,
Speaker 1: black bald line there, right, But it's just about at
Speaker 1: some point we have an intersection of rights, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you're free to do this thing, you're free to that thing,
Speaker 1: but if you doing this thing interferes with them doing
Speaker 1: that thing, then we have to have a body come
Speaker 1: in look at it and say, you've got to let
Speaker 1: them have their freedoms here, you're infringing on that. You
Speaker 1: all know how the law works. I don't even explain
Speaker 1: it to you, and I'm no expert.
Speaker 2: This is a weird one too because it's web design,
Speaker 2: which I feel is a job that can be done remotely. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so like of casting our minds back a few years
Speaker 2: there was that case about the baker who didn't want
Speaker 2: to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, and
Speaker 2: that feels a little different because they might live in
Speaker 2: a small town. There's only like one place to go
Speaker 2: get your wedding cake, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: you would not be able to get a cake from
Speaker 2: someone else right the way you can. Oh, I can
Speaker 2: go online and find a web designer on fiver that
Speaker 2: lives five thousand miles away and they'll make my website
Speaker 2: and they don't care, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: the bakery thing felt more of a local situation where
Speaker 2: you do have to start saying, uh oh, there's some
Speaker 2: places that are small and they're rural and they have
Speaker 2: their very maybe old school and their traditions, and they
Speaker 2: haven't really moved on with their ideas, and there's gay
Speaker 2: people who live there and they deserve to have the
Speaker 2: services available to them that everyone else has available to
Speaker 2: them in their area. Well, that case, I guess was
Speaker 2: ruled in favor of the baker. They were the Scotis
Speaker 2: did say that the baker was not could not be
Speaker 2: forced to make a cake for a same sex wedding,
Speaker 2: but it was applied very specifically to that one case,
Speaker 2: so it did not There was no, it couldn't be
Speaker 2: Probably why broadly to florists and so on?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I will say that the baker in Colorado
Speaker 2: and this web designer, I would like to thank them
Speaker 2: very much for letting us know that they suck. We
Speaker 2: should not work with them at any time or buy
Speaker 2: anything from them ever. Also in Supreme Court news, We're
Speaker 2: not going to get too into it, but I will
Speaker 2: say that our friend reverend doctor Polly Murray would probably
Speaker 2: not approve of them striking down affirmative affirmative action.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not doubtful. Yeah, again, we could spend a
Speaker 1: long time down with that, spent a long time on that,
Speaker 1: but it's not romance but we did talk about Reverend
Speaker 1: doctor Polly Murray.
Speaker 2: That's right, and she I mean, in that episode we
Speaker 2: had to discuss about the multiple layers of discriminated that
Speaker 2: she was fighting again, and then of course also her
Speaker 2: own feelings about her own gender, which was a whole
Speaker 2: extra layer that. You know. She was like, I don't
Speaker 2: even have time to get into that. I'm too busy
Speaker 2: being black and a woman trying to survive in that
Speaker 2: so I can't even get into that part of my identity.
Speaker 1: But well, let's not leave on a super downer note. No, okay,
Speaker 1: we have some good LGBTQ plus news in Greece. Their
Speaker 1: new prime minister has pledged to legalize same sex marriage
Speaker 1: day bab Greece gets to that soon and they stick
Speaker 1: with that pledge. Interesting to me because of course, ancient
Speaker 1: the what I'll jokingly called the birthplace of homosexuality, not
Speaker 1: only democracy was friends, but they're they're known, They're ancient.
Speaker 1: Greece is known for it, So you're kind of like,
Speaker 1: you want to hope that they'd be down. But I
Speaker 1: guess we all forget our histories.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we're right or violently goes as much in the
Speaker 2: opposite as we can that happens too. But that's great news.
Speaker 1: That is great news. Hopefully, you know, we'll keep an
Speaker 1: eye on that for you and report back when it's official. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And another celebrity news, Oh, celebrity lgg LGBT news. Jay
Speaker 2: Z's mom, Gloria Carter married her longtime partner Roxane Wiltshire. Ah,
Speaker 2: so that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: That's a good time.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, looking cool as hale?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, can you if you're jay Z's mom,
Speaker 1: is it still pretty cool that jay Z came to
Speaker 1: your wedding?
Speaker 2: She's like, Sean better be at my wedding. I burst
Speaker 2: that boy, he'd be nothing without me.
Speaker 1: True, literally literally, man, I hate that. That's kind of
Speaker 1: our last story because any jay Z story, I would
Speaker 1: love to say, all right, well let's go on to
Speaker 1: the next one, next one, but we don't have a
Speaker 1: next one.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to go on to the next episode.
Speaker 1: To the next episode. I think we've kept you all
Speaker 1: in this episode slash these episodes long enough. But I
Speaker 1: love when we get to kind of dip our toes
Speaker 1: into the current events, not get too sucked into history
Speaker 1: for a minute here, because ridiculous romance it's always happening.
Speaker 2: So true every day, every day in every way.
Speaker 1: And of course we'll have to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the AI stuff as it moves forward, because that's rapidly
Speaker 1: advancing too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I mean and this stuff about ethics
Speaker 2: and stuff, not just of course with AI sex thoughts consenting,
Speaker 2: but like ethics and AI period and how AI makes
Speaker 2: decisions and all of that discrimination that we already have
Speaker 2: in us being programmed into it right without us realizing it.
Speaker 2: All that stuff is very fascinating to me, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of scary a little bit. And yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you're right. Well, definitely keep our eyes on that one.
Speaker 1: It's, as I've said many times, for many issues that
Speaker 1: we face and discuss and sort of the discourse going
Speaker 1: on around us, you know, across social media, but also
Speaker 1: just in the real world in general. We're living in
Speaker 1: a conversation that's going to go on longer than our lifetimes.
Speaker 1: So I think it's important to listen and engage, not
Speaker 1: necessarily say I have the answer, because that'll probably change
Speaker 1: within your lifetime and we're just we're figuring it out.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the world moves faster than our brains do.
Speaker 2: I'm trying so hard to be more like Walt Whitman
Speaker 2: and be curious not judgmental. Yeah, it's really hard because
Speaker 2: we do, like and especially having a podcast, right, our
Speaker 2: whole thing is to have an opinion about something, even
Speaker 2: if it's not terribly informed. So it's hard to not
Speaker 2: want to just jump to a judgment of some kind
Speaker 2: and dig your heels in and everything. Instead just be like,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to learn more. I'm ready to keep my
Speaker 2: mind open. It's really really hard, but I am trying
Speaker 2: so hard to try. I just want to lear to learn.
Speaker 1: It's true, and there's nothing wrong with having strong feelings
Speaker 1: about something either. Really, it just comes down to how
Speaker 1: much you're dictating other people's existence, right, and if and
Speaker 1: that's by and large, you know, I can I got
Speaker 1: a real problem with a lot of things in this
Speaker 1: world that a lot of people find a lot of
Speaker 1: joy in. So I'm welcome to hate that crap and
Speaker 1: they're welcome to go enjoy it. Right. That's the other
Speaker 1: thing is that I think, like we often are like,
Speaker 1: let people love things, yeah, and I'm like, also, let's
Speaker 1: let people hate things. I mean, to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's discrimination, but for example, Like I'm a big
Speaker 1: Marvel movie fan. Yep, generally we won't get into it lately.
Speaker 1: But but but then I see people like I can't
Speaker 1: stand it. I sit through that, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't need to convince you to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I always rather like something than not, and I always
Speaker 1: want people to have a similar experience to me when
Speaker 1: something was positive. But it'd be real boring if all
Speaker 1: we ever liked was all the same thing all the time.
Speaker 2: That's so true, I mean, you know, And that's I guess.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to do. More is is say, okay,
Speaker 2: think more, like why why does someone like that thing
Speaker 2: that I don't like? What is attractive about it? At
Speaker 2: least let me understand it. I might not change my
Speaker 2: feeling about it whatsoever. But like I hate mushrooms, for example,
Speaker 2: but I know that they add a lot of flavor
Speaker 2: to things, you know, I understand their kind of meaty,
Speaker 2: they have a good you know, like I get it.
Speaker 2: I understand why you like mushrooms and I don't like them.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I know there's and that's such a
Speaker 2: such an easy thing to not care about. I'm not
Speaker 2: fight about, but that like people are like that with
Speaker 2: cultural stuff like movies and stuff, they.
Speaker 1: Get really upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can like in the friendships sometimes for
Speaker 2: a movie, but you can't.
Speaker 1: And the Internet of course obviously rewards.
Speaker 2: Of course that sort of engage.
Speaker 1: I'll say, on the flip side of your mushrooms thing,
Speaker 1: you hate mushrooms and I love mushrooms. Also, you love
Speaker 1: mushrooms and I hate mushrooms.
Speaker 2: You know, right, So that's also true. Do you really
Speaker 2: like mushrooms? Rug? So, I think we've gone through all
Speaker 2: the headlines that we had.
Speaker 1: But there's more So if you guys see something that
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