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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Buck Brief. Everybody. My friend in is

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Speaker 2: Felcher Stepman joins.

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Speaker 1: She is a legal and policy analyst at the Independent

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Speaker 1: Women's Forum and a New Yorker, which is going to

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Speaker 1: come in very handy because one, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: encouraged her, not that it was my idea, but I

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Speaker 1: encourage her to move to New York. I was living

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Speaker 1: in New York at the time. I said, you and

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Speaker 1: your husband are going to love it, and I think

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Speaker 1: they do. But now you have a mayor who Trump

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Speaker 1: is meeting with. Maybe that'll help. Maybe a mayor who

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Speaker 1: is a Kami by the name of Mom Donnie. What

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Speaker 1: do you think about what he's going to do? How

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Speaker 1: are you feeling about this because you're in the blast

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Speaker 1: radius we are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think the scariest thing, honestly about his agenda is

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Speaker 4: a lot of the public safety things that he's promised,

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Speaker 4: or I should say anti public safety moves that he's promised.

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Speaker 4: We've just heard that he's keeping on like a tish

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Speaker 4: as commissioner. She's been very good. I do not envy

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Speaker 4: her in this position, right because clearly she's going to

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Speaker 4: be having a lot of disagreements with the mayor over policy.

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Speaker 4: But the sort of policies that he's proposed, I mean,

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Speaker 4: beyond just the defunding the police. I mean the DSA

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Speaker 4: that wrote a lot, part of large part of his

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Speaker 4: platform believes in basically the opposite of broken windows policing,

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Speaker 4: making all misdemeanors and not crimes anymore.

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Speaker 1: Maybe their version of broken windows is just break all

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Speaker 1: the windows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, if all the windows are broken, then everyone

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Speaker 4: is equal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, So, I mean that's really quality of life, and

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Speaker 4: that's something that the mayor has a lot of control over.

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Speaker 3: Some of his other schemes.

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Speaker 4: He has less control over changing, you know, soaking the

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Speaker 4: rich to the degree that he wants. He can certainly

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Speaker 4: make things harder for high owners in the city, but

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Speaker 4: you know, he does need buy in from Albany. He needs,

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Speaker 4: you know, he needs to some extent to work with

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Speaker 4: the federal government, even for some of the housing plans

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Speaker 4: that he has, because the Fed's actually pay New York

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Speaker 4: for lot of that. So there's a lot of levers

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Speaker 4: and kind of cabinating him in his position, but not

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Speaker 4: really over public safety. The mayor really is able to

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Speaker 4: do a lot in terms of pulling the cops out

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Speaker 4: of the subways. You know, I'm worried about NYPD resignations.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't stay. Who wants to be the first cop

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Speaker 4: to have to shoot a black purp who's trying to

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Speaker 4: kill you under the Mondamnee administration and become the new

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Speaker 4: poster child for racism in America.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I could see that that's the part of it.

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Speaker 1: The economic stuff, I think will be far less, at

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Speaker 1: least in terms of the policies that he wants to implement,

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Speaker 1: because one it's out of his power or something. You

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Speaker 1: see him talking about the bus situation. He's like, he's like,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have free buses, and and Hopel is like, well, no,

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Speaker 1: like we're not going to back that in all been

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Speaker 1: else you can't do it. And then he's just like, well,

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Speaker 1: the important part is that we want to do it. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually how it works. They get

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Speaker 1: to figure out how.

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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, fortunately, some of this stuff is not going

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Speaker 4: economic pieces, although I think it just depends how long

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Speaker 4: he's mare right. I think he could do a lot

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Speaker 4: I you know, obviously, I think what he's saying is

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Speaker 4: One of the reasons that we don't have riots with

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Speaker 4: that the NYPD is you know, is there on the scene.

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Speaker 4: They do a really good job of crowd control. That's

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Speaker 4: actually something specifically that Linda Sarsoor has demanded and the

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Speaker 4: people who helped Electwandami have demanded that they disband this

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Speaker 4: particular part of the NYPD that it does crowd ConTroll

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Speaker 4: and makes it so that it's not summer of twenty

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Speaker 4: So those are things he can do right away, and

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Speaker 4: those are the things I'm worried about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to see. Why do you think Trump

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Speaker 1: has this meeting with him? What's the Do you think

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Speaker 1: he just wants to size him up? Or is it

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Speaker 1: he just recognizes that the optics of this of Trump

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Speaker 1: versus the COMI looks good. Like, what's your take on that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it needs an explanation. He

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Speaker 3: met with Kim Jong un, right, Trump.

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Speaker 4: Is willing to meet with anybody, hen Tommy.

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Speaker 3: He's a confident negotiator.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he thinks he can get a deal man, and

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Speaker 4: who would counted out with his track record.

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Speaker 3: So no, I don't think Trump.

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Speaker 4: I think Trump is just as part of his personality

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Speaker 4: and the way he looks at the world, he's always

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Speaker 4: willing to talk with anyone, but doesn't mean he's going

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Speaker 4: to give them anything they want.

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Speaker 1: Were you a little you a little surprised? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Trump is hilarious. But this thing where some

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Speaker 1: reporter was interrupted with it, he goes quiet, piggy Trump Trump.

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Speaker 2: That was naughty. I was like, that's naughty Trump right there.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that the woman's name is Peggy, so.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, so I'm not sure that.

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Speaker 4: He actually said it piggy, although I almost wanted to

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Speaker 2: I thought I.

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Speaker 1: Saw I saw a photo and she's not heavy, so

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Speaker 1: it's not a fat joke evidence.

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Speaker 4: And her name is Peggy, so she's neither heavy nor

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Speaker 4: is and her name is closed to piggy. And I

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Speaker 4: feel like this is actually one of those things that

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Speaker 1: But oh man, because he just looks at her, it's

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Speaker 1: just like quiet piggy.

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Speaker 2: He's the president of the United States.

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Speaker 3: Wait, I still remember when Joe Biden told that guy.

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Speaker 1: Was a dog face pony soldier. Dog dog face pony soldier.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't that what it was? Or yeah that was.

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Speaker 3: Why gott Yeah you sat pull somebody court.

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Speaker 2: Question, Matt. Yeah, that all true, All true.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about how the education departments being

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Speaker 1: this Department of Education, they're dissembling it, disassembling it, but

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Speaker 1: it has to explain what's going on here to the

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Speaker 1: best of your knowledge. And Linda McMahon's like, this didn't

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Speaker 1: even exist. It's like, you run the department. I love this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this has been a Conservative goal for

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Speaker 4: literally since the department was created in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 4: Reagan wanted to dismantle it and didn't manage it right.

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Speaker 4: So this is not one of those things that is

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Speaker 4: any different from what conservatives has have been saying.

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Speaker 3: For thirty or forty years.

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Speaker 4: But of course when Trump does it, everybody freaks out

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Speaker 4: because you actually.

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Speaker 3: Follow it through on it. No.

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Speaker 4: So there are a bunch of programs that are line

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Speaker 4: item appropriated by Congress within and they're administered by the

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Speaker 4: Department of Education, and the Trump administration is saying, well,

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Speaker 4: we're keeping everything that Congress has forced us to keep.

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Speaker 4: Now we're going to go to Congress and ask them

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Speaker 4: to scal back some of that stuff. But that's not

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Speaker 4: within our power to change. What we can do is

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Speaker 4: some of these programs where they might belong more appropriately. So,

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Speaker 4: for example, I think ultimately they haven't done it yet,

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Speaker 4: but ultimately I think student loans might go to Treasury.

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Speaker 4: For example, there's pieces of this that went to the

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Speaker 4: Department of Labor went to The programs having to do

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Speaker 4: with health in schools are going under HIHS, so they're

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Speaker 4: spinning out the programs that are actually.

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Speaker 4: But Congress like there's no reason why the Department itself

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Speaker 4: The Department of Education is essentially a pass through entity.

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Speaker 4: It takes a bunch of money and parcels it out

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Speaker 4: to the states on a variety of program basis. Some

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Speaker 4: of those things, as I said, are required by Congress,

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Speaker 4: some of them are vague, and Department of Education bureaucrats

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Speaker 4: with that. I soon it'll go back to DJ But

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Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Division ocr within the Department of Ed

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Speaker 4: now that's been a crucial part of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: They have done a fantastic job enforcing the Civil Rights

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Speaker 4: Act against universities. I would not like to see that dismantled,

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Speaker 4: And currently I don't think DOOJ really has the staff

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Speaker 4: I mean they're over They're overrun with things to do

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Speaker 4: as it is, so I'll be watching for where that

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Speaker 4: ends up going. But overall, this is a promise that

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Speaker 4: he's following through on in something that Linda McMahon promised

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Speaker 4: as well publicly. So they're the only difference between what

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Speaker 4: conservatives have been yelling about for fifty years and what's

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Speaker 4: happening now is that, as always, it took Trump to

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Speaker 1: So there's also this this whole bunch of reporting that

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Speaker 1: I've seen in is about the test scores for let's

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Speaker 1: California schools.

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Speaker 2: I'll focus on that one first.

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Speaker 1: California schools have seen enormous drop offs in the test

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Speaker 1: I was reading that they have kids coming in now

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Speaker 1: who can't do fractions who are in college, like that's

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Speaker 1: where their math level is, which I mean people do

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Speaker 2: Like that or fifth grade. Maybe what is.

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Speaker 1: Going on with the move away from test scores. It

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Speaker 4: But first of all, they're admitting people who are unqualified,

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Speaker 4: on my list. School choice. I know everybody likes school

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Speaker 4: So I do think that school choice not only provides

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Speaker 3: For girls either.

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Speaker 4: It's not challenging material, and ultimately, it doesn't raise kids

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Speaker 4: I don't know a speech by Abraham Lincoln. So there

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