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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good

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Speaker 3: morning everybody.

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Speaker 4: That's a joke at Sager's expense, because he scared the

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Speaker 4: hell out of me yesterday with his good.

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Speaker 1: Morning, Happy Wednesday. How was it yesterday with Sager?

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Speaker 5: It was great?

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Speaker 4: It was great, And you're gonna be back with Sager tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: And so he said he was going to play the

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Speaker 3: lefty yesterday.

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Speaker 5: He tried.

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Speaker 3: How'd that go?

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Speaker 5: He did his best.

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Speaker 1: He's got the populist mojo.

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Speaker 3: If he just you know, skips over a bunch of

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Speaker 3: that other stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, if you should go back and watch his

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Speaker 4: monologue from yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Okay, was it a lefty one? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: All the opposite? It was on guns. You'll love it.

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Speaker 3: False advertising.

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Speaker 1: So we're back to normal hair, Yes, I'll be on

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Speaker 1: with Sager tomorrow because Crystal is still on her honeymoon.

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Speaker 3: She'll be back next week. So what do we got today?

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the obviously the Eden

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Speaker 1: Carrol verdict. We got George Santos so the sealed indictment,

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Speaker 1: and so we're going to play kind of George Santos

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Speaker 1: bingo trying to guests which of the like thirty six

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Speaker 1: different frauds he's committed in the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive. You've got

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian officials worried that they may have overhyped what they're

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Speaker 3: What are you looking at?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we also have the debt ceiling negotiations, big, big

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Speaker 4: news and all of that. Yesterday as we were prepping

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Speaker 4: the show, it was like it just kept coming. Yesterday afternoon,

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Speaker 4: We're talking about new developments and Ronda Santis' potential bid

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Speaker 4: for the presidency.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to talk about a story that.

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Speaker 4: Broke last night again as we were preparing the show,

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Speaker 4: more revelations about the CIA's involvement in the Hunter Biden

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Speaker 4: laptop story. And then Congressman Rocana is here in studio.

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Speaker 4: We're excited to talk to him about the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: So eg and Carol Victorious, if we can put this

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Speaker 1: tear sheet of Victorious in her defamation suit against President Trump,

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Speaker 1: the jury found that Trump was liable for sexual assault

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Speaker 1: as well as defamation, adding together five million dollars in

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Speaker 1: penalties tacked onto him. Trump then responded by immediately defaming

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Speaker 1: her again. If we can put up his response to it,

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Speaker 1: what do you say here? I have absolutely no idea

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Speaker 1: who this woman is. This verdict is a disgrace, a

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Speaker 1: continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time. And

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Speaker 1: so what Trump was hit for when it came to

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Speaker 1: defamation was a number of things, one saying basically calling

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Speaker 1: would be interesting if Egen Carroll goes back to Read Hoffman,

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Speaker 1: he's still defaming me.

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Speaker 3: Read Hoffin's not out of money.

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Speaker 1: In fact, read Hoffins lawyer has probably got a little

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Speaker 5: I mean five million dollars.

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Speaker 4: A five million dollar victory is pretty impressive in a

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Speaker 5: And again it's civil.

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Speaker 4: So sexual abuse is defined in New York State as quote,

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Speaker 4: subjecting a person to sexual contact contact without consent. Carol

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Speaker 5: Rape is defined.

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Speaker 4: This is from New York state law, a sexual intercourse

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Speaker 4: allegations about a Burgdorf Goodman dressing room, I believe in

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Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties, would have been really difficult to prove

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Speaker 4: that said sexual abuse is Again, this is not a

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Speaker 4: criminal case, so Donald Trump does not face jail time.

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Speaker 4: That said he is now he has now lost on

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Speaker 4: the question specifically of sexual abuse. And yeah, this was

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Speaker 1: And not to get too graphic, but in Jean Carroll's testimony,

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Speaker 1: the jury was like, well, we can't say with certainty

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Speaker 3: Assault, right.

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Speaker 1: And what the jury said with that five million dollar

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Speaker 1: Jury will say, you know what, we do believe that

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Speaker 1: juries do sometimes, Yes it happened, but it wasn't that

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Speaker 4: And again, if it was a criminal trial, you would

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Speaker 4: have a different standard for evidence. But in a civil trial,

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Speaker 4: this is the judge had actually said to the jury

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Speaker 5: Likely true than not true.

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Speaker 4: So again it's different than the criminal standard. If you're wondering,

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Speaker 4: But it is partially because of that standard. And I

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Speaker 5: You mentioned Reid Hoffman.

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Speaker 4: She and her deposition said she didn't think about suing

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Speaker 4: uncomfortable about the Egen Carol case. People might remember that

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Speaker 4: I have not been raped, something has not been done

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Speaker 4: She said something similar on MSNBC. I would find it

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Speaker 4: It would just be really disrespectful. She also said mine

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Speaker 4: I can keep going. You know, my life has gone on.

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Speaker 4: uncomfortable is that we do see sometimes in high profile

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Speaker 4: media cases like this, partisan and especially men use women

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Speaker 4: say if Egen Carroll wanted to try to see as

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Speaker 4: absolutely powerful man Donald Trump, by all means keep the

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Speaker 4: hold them to account for their actions. Is the allegations

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Speaker 1: And what's also true is that life doesn't all often

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Speaker 1: And so when you you know, Egene Carol's a a

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Speaker 1: So if like, if you're able to convince that guy

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Speaker 3: And might even vote for him.

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Speaker 1: You could have there was a one maga person on

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, I mean, almost half of Alabama voters

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Speaker 4: as some people certainly did. They're saying, we're voting a

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Speaker 1: once you get over forty, that's that's real because now

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Speaker 1: they if they hold the line, you don't have sixty

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Speaker 1: votes to overcome a filibuster. Chuck Schumer said yesterday afternoon

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Speaker 1: there would be a bipartisan lifting of the of the

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Speaker 1: debt limit. Kevin McCarthy, if you want to put up

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Speaker 1: b one said he's not going to do kind of

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Speaker 1: a short term thing. Now, everything that these people say

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Speaker 1: at this point can mostly be discarded because who knows.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, if you know, if he has to do

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Speaker 3: a short term thing, maybe he ends up doing a

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Speaker 3: short term thing. This is all. This is all for positioning.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of positioning, to me, the biggest news that

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Speaker 1: came out of the post meeting kind of back and

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Speaker 1: forth was President Biden for the first time really kind

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Speaker 1: of leaning into the fourteenth Amendment option, which is the

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Speaker 1: one that says the full faith and credit of the

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Speaker 1: United States shall not be challenged. That's written into the

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Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendment, this post Civil War language that was directed

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Speaker 1: at kind of post Confederates who they were worried would

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Speaker 1: come in take power and then basically refuse to pay

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Speaker 1: the war debts as a way to kind of undermine

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Speaker 1: the reconstruction and the kind of push toward bringing the

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Speaker 1: Union back together after the Civil War.

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Speaker 3: And so you also have in the Constitution that Congress.

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Speaker 1: Has the power to authorize bonds and debt. So you

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Speaker 1: have two conflicting pieces within the Constitution, and so when

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Speaker 1: you have a contradiction in there, you do have to

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Speaker 1: have it worked out politically. And so you have people

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Speaker 1: that are the normy mainstream Dems, like Lawrence Tribe, who

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Speaker 1: used to be against the Fourteenth Amendment idea, coming out

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Speaker 1: now with a column saying here's why I now support

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Speaker 1: it that his argument basically is that the debt ceiling,

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Speaker 1: the arbitrary limit, is giving Congress power that the Constitution

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Speaker 1: never intended in order to kind of put a gun

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Speaker 1: to the head of the president to then not enact

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Speaker 1: other laws that have dually been written into law. So

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Speaker 1: you have all of this spending from the Bush, Obama

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Speaker 1: and Trump era, and the bills are now coming due,

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Speaker 1: so that spending was lawfully enacted. He's saying that it

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Speaker 1: actually isn't constitutionally legit to say, well, actually, because of

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Speaker 1: this destlinine, you can't spend some of these things.

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Speaker 3: No, that was already author was already appropriated.

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Speaker 1: It's the president's job to figure out how to meet

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Speaker 1: those obligations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an interesting argument, And to your point about

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Speaker 4: it being floated again by the Bian administration in the

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Speaker 4: aftermath of the meeting yesterday, it reminds me of Dan Pfeiffer.

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Speaker 4: He wrote for The New York Times, obviously former Obama officials,

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Speaker 4: saying he doesn't think Biden should be negotiating with Kevin

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Speaker 4: McCarthy at all because of the lessons from the Obama

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Speaker 4: Bayner negotiations of the Tea Party years which got the

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Speaker 4: United States. I mean, that was what our first credit

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Speaker 4: down there was, and it was at the twenty eleven

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Speaker 4: one of the twenty thirteen one, after they were at

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Speaker 4: loggerheads for a really long time, and everyone in DC

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Speaker 4: was really convinced that something was going to work out

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Speaker 4: because it kind of always does, right, We always have

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Speaker 4: this expectation like it's fine, something always works out, and

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Speaker 4: then it didn't. It just didn't because in that case,

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Speaker 4: you had the Tea Party movement with a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of energy that had absolutely no political incentive or ideological

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Speaker 4: motive to cooperate with Barack Obama. And so it was

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Speaker 4: it blew up in everyone's face. Basically, Republicans fifers very

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Speaker 4: correct to say their asses kicked and we're blamed completely

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Speaker 4: by the media and by voters. And that's why he's saying,

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Speaker 4: why would Joe Biden negotiate with them? Now he's the

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Speaker 4: one that has the upper hand, because we know there's

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Speaker 4: no way the media is going to take the side

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Speaker 4: of republic whether or not you think Republicans are right

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Speaker 4: or wrong in an obstructionism of the debt sealing rays.

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Speaker 4: The media is going to take the Biden administration side. Period,

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Speaker 4: the public is already disinclined to like obstructionism, whether you're

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Speaker 4: Republican or Democrat or independent. People don't like to see

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Speaker 4: generally that the things are just not working and that

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Speaker 4: Republicans are kind of gumming up the machinery.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't play as well.

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Speaker 4: As like actually just doing things, getting things done from

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Speaker 4: a purely sort of public relations standpoint. So they have

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Speaker 4: the upper hand and fivers.

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Speaker 5: Like, well, then what are you doing.

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Speaker 4: You don't need to do anything because if this blows

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Speaker 4: up in Republican spaces, they're going to come groveling back anyway.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, just to issue the debt or and to

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Speaker 1: McConnell's point that election have consequences, we have divided government,

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Speaker 1: as Democrats have been responding, well, the twenty eighteen elections

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Speaker 1: should have had consequences too. We had divided government twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty twenty. Somehow we didn't manage to default.

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Speaker 1: We were able to just raise the dead ceiling then,

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Speaker 1: so we can raise the dead ceiling this time.

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Speaker 3: Biden even mentioned the coin. This is the platinum coin.

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Speaker 1: He said that the staff, his staff had not been

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Speaker 1: studying it, but just bringing it up and entering it

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Speaker 1: into the conversation, I think is, you know, changes the

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Speaker 1: calculus a little bit if they do mint a platinum coin.

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Speaker 1: By the way, so what you do basically, you mint

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Speaker 1: a platinum coin, you say this thing is worth a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars, You deposit it with the New York Fed

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Speaker 1: and now boom, you have a trillion dollars in your account,

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Speaker 1: and then you can use that to pay bills while

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Speaker 1: you sort it out. You don't spend a whole trillion

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Speaker 1: of it, but it's sitting there. Also, you'd have to

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Speaker 1: put dark Brandon on the platinum coinin right, you'd have

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Speaker 1: no show.

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Speaker 5: The lasers coming out of the eyes.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love it. That's absolutely what it would have

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Speaker 1: to be. And so we'll see.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, nope, well we will see.

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Speaker 4: That's the stacking point with Kevin McCarthy saying in the

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Speaker 4: meeting basically or after the meeting, does the president believe

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Speaker 4: there's absolutely no spending that.

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Speaker 1: Can be cut buy and respond to that, he said, look,

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Speaker 1: we saved one hundred and sixty billion dollars out of

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Speaker 1: medicare you guys didn't seem to like that. We proposed

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Speaker 1: ways that by taxing a bunch of the richest corporations

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Speaker 1: and millionaires and billionaires. We could save hundreds of billions

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Speaker 1: and more. How about that.

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Speaker 4: That's where you're getting It feels like twenty eleven again, right,

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Speaker 4: Is there nowhere we can agree to cuts?

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Speaker 5: Well, of course there's somewhere.

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Speaker 4: We all believe there's something that can be cut in

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Speaker 4: the government, but this process right now, it's too toxic

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Speaker 4: to believe that they're going to on Friday say well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we can cut this, this and this, and it'll be

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Speaker 4: a win for everybody. Kevin McCarthy's obviously on the tight

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Speaker 4: rope of not being able to lose either the Freedom

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Speaker 4: Caucus or the more centrist members of his own parties.

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Speaker 4: So it's just insane and the economy is on the line.

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Speaker 4: So we'll obviously continue to follow this story as closely

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Speaker 4: as possible from our vantage point here.

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Speaker 5: In Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: On that note, let's talk about developments in Ukraine. The

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Speaker 4: counter offensive, the much anticipated counter offensive is now having

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Speaker 4: some cold water tossed on it in a Washington Post interview.

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Speaker 4: You can, yeah, we put that right up on the

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Speaker 4: screen there. Here's the headline. Senior Ukrainian officials, if your

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Speaker 4: counter attack may not live up to hype.

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Speaker 5: This is a quote.

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Speaker 4: The expectation from our counter offensive campaign is overestimated in

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Speaker 4: the world, Ukrainian Defense Minister Alexei Resnikov said in an

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Speaker 4: interview this past week. Most people are waiting for something huge,

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Speaker 4: he added, which he fears may lead to emotional disappointment.

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Speaker 4: The counter offensive obviously, it has not yet begun, although

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Speaker 4: we've been hearing about it for a really long time.

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Speaker 4: That is a comment to the Washington Post. But it's

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Speaker 4: not flippant. That's an interview that the generally stage managed

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Speaker 4: Ukrainian government gave to one of the biggest newspapers in

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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 5: What did you make of that?

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Speaker 1: And it's more stage management, and it's it's the same

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Speaker 1: thing that you see while you go into a debate

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Speaker 1: where you have two candidates about to square off in

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Speaker 1: the each side's telling the other, well, our guide didn't

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Speaker 1: sleep well.

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Speaker 3: He's English is not his first language. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: not the brightest bulb.

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Speaker 1: You know, if he can string together a couple of sentences,

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Speaker 1: that ought to be a win. Everybody trying to set

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Speaker 1: expectations as low as possible, and I think Ukraine is

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Speaker 1: suffering from the fact that they exceeded expectations so wildly

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Speaker 1: with the last surprise offensive that caught Russia off guard,

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Speaker 1: steamrolled through town after town. But in those situations, the

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Speaker 1: Russians were not not dug in and were less fortified

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Speaker 1: and just simply fled. And it was it was, it

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Speaker 1: was a master stroke of military organizing. Following that, Russia

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Speaker 1: has launched its kind of full scale conscription and has

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Speaker 1: something three to five hundred thousand troops, has deep trenches,

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Speaker 1: doug has you know, military hardware solidifying areas, and there's

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Speaker 1: much more mud.

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Speaker 3: Than was expected.

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Speaker 1: And so these are all the things that the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: officials are saying that those are the reasons why people

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Speaker 1: should not expect that they're going to be able to

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Speaker 1: romp like they did last time. So setting expectations low

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Speaker 1: it just makes sense. And as z Lensky said in

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Speaker 1: this interview and has said before, the Ukrainians need victories

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Speaker 1: in order to convince the West to continue financing their operation.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of which.

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Speaker 4: Just now, just yesterday, the US announced a one point

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Speaker 4: two billion aid package to Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: You can see that up on the screen from CNN.

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Speaker 4: That is to bolster its air defenses and sustain its

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Speaker 4: artillery ammunition needs for that counter offensive one hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty five millimeters artillery rounds, additional air defense systems, ammunitions,

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Speaker 4: drone ammunition. That's all included in this package. So that

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Speaker 4: brings the total to thirty seven point six billion in

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Speaker 4: just military aid to Ukraine since the.

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Speaker 5: Beginning of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 4: And that includes thirty six point nine billions since the

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Speaker 4: beginning of the war in February twenty twenty two, So

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Speaker 4: basically thirty seven point nine billion. Basically thirty seven billion

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Speaker 4: since the beginning of the war. Obviously a huge number,

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Speaker 4: and for the counter offensive a piece of momentum, to

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Speaker 4: be sure. And I think, Ryan, you make such a

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Speaker 4: good point that a lot of this has to do

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Speaker 4: with convincing the West to give more money anyway, so

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Speaker 4: they get the more money for the counter offensive, which

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Speaker 4: probably feels to a lot of Americans like a merry

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Speaker 4: go round, you know, every time you pass this, like

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Speaker 4: more money to keep going. But that is part of

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Speaker 4: all of this. We should also mention a couple of

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Speaker 4: other things. First, that the British are hoping to supply

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Speaker 4: some long yeah, this is the next element. Longer rage

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Speaker 4: missiles to Ukraine. And then the last thing I think

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Speaker 4: is worth mentioning is that Vladimir Putin yesterday folks probably

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Speaker 4: saw some of the headlines from their Victory Day parade.

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Speaker 4: Putin said, once again, he made the argument that the

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Speaker 4: West is driving a quote real war against Russia.

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Speaker 5: Here's the quote.

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Speaker 4: Today's civilization is once again at a decisive turning point.

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Speaker 4: Putin said, Obviously they're celebrating the defeat of the Nazis

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Speaker 4: after World War Two. He says, quote a real war

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Speaker 4: has been unleashed against our motherland. Obviously this is coming

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Speaker 4: before potential counter offensive. What did you make of these

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Speaker 4: developments with the air supply? And then Putin at the

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Speaker 4: Victory Day saying, continuing to pin it on the West,

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Speaker 4: not surprising at all, but pointed the long.

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Speaker 1: Range missiles are similar to the to aircraft in the

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Speaker 1: way that this is something that' Zelenski in the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: government has been pushing for from the very beginning, and

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Speaker 1: that the US has been resisting, saying that long range

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Speaker 1: missiles capable of going over one hundred and twenty kilometers,

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Speaker 1: you know, could then be used to strike inside of Russia,

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Speaker 1: which would then lead to greater escalation and so therefore

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Speaker 1: involvement from potentially and then right because if if you

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Speaker 1: have that sort of escalation that then brings in Chinese weapons,

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Speaker 1: then you know you're unable to keep up at some point,

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Speaker 1: especially given the vicinity. So now the British are saying

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Speaker 1: that they that they might be willing to supply these,

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Speaker 1: as that article and others have pointed out if if

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Speaker 1: the United States object is strenuously, the British are not

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Speaker 1: going to do it kind of around our back or

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Speaker 1: against or against our wishes. Zelensky has made the argument

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Speaker 1: that there are so many troop formations and other organizational

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Speaker 1: apparatus is going on on the Russian side just out

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Speaker 1: of their range, because the Russians know that they have

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Speaker 1: a very limited The hymn Hai mars I think have

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Speaker 1: a range of about forty seven kilometers, some other missiles

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Speaker 1: I've ranged up to something like one hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 3: But and so they're just just out of reach.

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Speaker 1: And so he's that is a strong argument for these

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Speaker 1: So is the argument that, well, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: escalate this any further because at some point, if the

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Speaker 1: sides are dug in, what the logical next step is okay, well,

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Speaker 1: let's sort this out, like how are we going to

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Speaker 1: end this conflict? And you know, nobody on the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: side wants to allow a you know, a single piece

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Speaker 1: of territory that was lost, including Crimea and including kind

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Speaker 1: of the Russian Separatist Act, areas that were already held

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Speaker 1: before February.

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Speaker 3: Of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: But at some point that's that that becomes untenable, and

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Speaker 1: then the question becomes what is Russia willing to give

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Speaker 1: back in exchange for you know, some some sanctions getting

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Speaker 1: lifted and some other you know, some other concessions.

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Speaker 4: It's profoundly depressing actually to mention these places that had

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Speaker 4: really already been under the control of Russian separatists or

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Speaker 4: Crimea actually since roughly twenty fourteen, because I think it

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Speaker 4: bodes very poorly for the future of this war, and

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Speaker 4: that we've talked about this many times. Soccer and Crystal

704
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Speaker 4: have talked about this many times. That there are people

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Speaker 4: in the West for whom they are either ideologically or

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Speaker 4: committed to this for corrupt reasons, This idea that everything

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Speaker 4: is appeasement, everything short of you know, saving all of

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Speaker 4: Ukrainian territory and agreeing that all of Ukrainian territory, including Crimea,

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Speaker 4: is returned to Ukraine, which I think Brian, we would

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Speaker 4: agree is probably like the ideal if we could just

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Speaker 4: wave a magic wand and wish for something, maybe that's

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Speaker 4: that's where we would land. I don't know, but the

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Speaker 4: idea that anything short of that is appeasement will drive

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Speaker 4: an incredibly long drawn out conflict. And I keep coming

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Speaker 4: back to what you said a couple weeks ago, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: about if there is a will to sit down and

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Speaker 4: say we can And we've heard this from Nftelli Bennett,

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Speaker 4: We've heard it from other people that there were conversations

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Speaker 4: about this about a year ago, that there has been

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Speaker 4: openings for some sort of concessions to be made that

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Speaker 4: Ukraine would be willing to talk about that have been

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Speaker 4: scuttled by folks in the West. Why can't we do

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Speaker 4: it before people have to die in a counter offensive?

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Speaker 4: Why can't we do it before additional death and destruction

725
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Speaker 4: and a counter offensive? Well, I think it's you know,

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Speaker 4: the answer to that is we are still so heavily

727
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Speaker 4: driven by people who say we cannot you give an

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Speaker 4: inch an inch lest the world you know, once again

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Speaker 4: fall to Hitler.

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Speaker 5: Essentially is the argument that they're making.

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Speaker 4: No doubt playing Putin is bad, but it is untenable

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Speaker 4: to use your word.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of warmongers, Liz Cheney is jumping into the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 5: That was a smooth transition.

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Speaker 1: As Ron Destantus is preparing to launch his own presidential bid.

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Speaker 3: He moved about eighty six million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So basically he did this quasi legal move where he's

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Speaker 1: been raising tens of millions of dollars into his Florida

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Speaker 1: state election campaign.

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Speaker 3: Florida allows you to do.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want basically unlimited corporate contributions, et cetera, which

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Speaker 1: is against federal law. And so in the past you

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Speaker 1: have not been able to move that state money into

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Speaker 1: your own federal pack. That just can't do that. Byron

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Speaker 1: Donaldson kind of found a workaround. He said, well, what

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Speaker 1: if I do it into a super pack. Went to

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Speaker 1: the FEC. The FEC is deadlocked because they don't have

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Speaker 1: enough officials to actually do anything to do their job,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, you guys didn't say it was wrong,

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Speaker 1: so therefore we're going to keep doing it. And so

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Speaker 1: now Desantras is doing it on a much grander scale.

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Speaker 1: Put this first one up, moving about eighty six million dollars.

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Speaker 1: First he had to step off of his committee. Then

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Speaker 1: the committee has its instructions of what they're going to do.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be funny if they gave it to

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Speaker 1: a Trump superpack, because he's not like, technically, these decisions

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Speaker 1: have to be made independently of DeSantis or they are illegal,

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Speaker 1: So it'd be just hilarious.

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Speaker 3: So they gave it to a Biden superpack or something.

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Speaker 3: This is it's an independent, it's independent.

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Speaker 1: What are you upset about you saying that you were

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Speaker 1: controlling this money? Because if so that was that's super

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Speaker 1: illegal and you wouldn't You wouldn't have been involved in

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Speaker 1: anything like that, would you. So this this sets him

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Speaker 1: up to, you know, have a well financed run. He

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Speaker 1: met with Steve Schwartzman this week. Did you see the

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Speaker 1: billionaire uh, private equity dude who came out of the

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Speaker 1: meeting and said he's not sold yet, he's wait and see,

770
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Speaker 1: And I think that's gonna be a I'm curious for

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Speaker 1: taking this. This is going to be a big problem for DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: Is that, Yes, I just think he doesn't sell in

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Speaker 1: the in the rooms that he needs to, Like people

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Speaker 1: have said, like his problem is a likability question that

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Speaker 1: people get in the room with him, like is he

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Speaker 1: putting with his fingers? You know what I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna do the ten million dollars yet. So

778
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Speaker 1: you know, whereas somebody like a Bill Clinton, and this

779
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Speaker 1: is an a political argument, doesn't matter who you know,

780
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Speaker 1: what your politics are, or even in Obama or even

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Speaker 1: a Trump like who have a kind of charisma when

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Speaker 1: they get into a room, Like when when Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 1: what everybody says about Bill Clinton, he'd come into a

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Speaker 1: room just absolutely light, that just dominate and everybody's attention

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Speaker 1: is on him. Bill Clinton gets in a room with

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Speaker 1: Steve Schwartzman, He's walking away with tens of millions of

787
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Speaker 1: dollars of Steve Schwartzman's money. Ronda Santis gets in a

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Speaker 1: room with Steve Shortzman. Shwortsman's like, h that's not so

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Speaker 1: sure about this.

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Speaker 4: So it doesn't bother me at all that Rhonda Santis

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Speaker 4: is not well liked among billionaires and can't you know,

792
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Speaker 4: quite get them to force their money over by charming

793
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Speaker 4: them and lying to them because or maybe not lying

794
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Speaker 4: to them, promising them all kinds of things and being

795
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Speaker 4: very serious about those promises. So it shouldn't be a

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Speaker 4: political handicap that he's not well liked among the billionaire class,

797
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Speaker 4: which I think is probably true. I mean, we saw

798
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Speaker 4: Maggie Haberman reporting just last month that one billionaire was

799
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Speaker 4: kind of icked out by the quote book bands and

800
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Speaker 4: was rolling back potentially support for Ronda Santis, which is

801
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Speaker 4: just classic because from my perspective and like a broader

802
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Speaker 4: realignment perspective, it is just a perfect example of this

803
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Speaker 4: kind of cultural tensions between elite coastal folks and what

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Speaker 4: the rest of the country actually.

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Speaker 5: Wants it needs.

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Speaker 4: But all of that is to say, so I wish

807
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Speaker 4: this wasn't a political handicap. And if somebody like made

808
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Speaker 4: me and this bizarre hypothetical was like you have to

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Speaker 4: choose between Joe Biden and Donald Trump and rond De Santis,

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Speaker 4: and you know, someone was like, you have to do it,

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Speaker 4: I guess I would probably choose Disantus. I don't like

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Speaker 4: politicians in general, but if someone was telling me I

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Speaker 4: had to pick, I would probably go with him. So

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Speaker 4: I don't partially because of this because I don't think

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Speaker 4: he's like completely this like your typical, like smooth talking politician.

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Speaker 4: I think he like tries to just's he's kind.

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Speaker 5: Of a strange guy. He's a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: weird guy.

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Speaker 4: Which is kind of you know, like that's it's your

820
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Speaker 4: politicians should be weird.

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Speaker 5: You know, if they're too normal, they're.

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Speaker 4: They're doing some bad stuff. It doesn't mean the weird

823
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Speaker 4: ones aren't going to do bad stuff too, but it's

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Speaker 4: a really it's a big sign if if Bill Clinton

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Speaker 4: is walking around room and everyone's throwing billions at him,

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Speaker 4: so it doesn't necessarily bother me. He is going to Wisconsin,

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Speaker 4: uh or I'm sorry. He went to Wisconsin last week.

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Speaker 4: He talked to the Marathon County Republican Party out in

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Speaker 4: central Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: He's going to Iowa this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, he's been chatting with people like big donors.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to say according to I think this is yea.

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Speaker 4: According to Politico, he's saying that he can win Georgia

834
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Speaker 4: and Arizona. It's talking to people in Iowa, big evangelical leader.

835
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Speaker 4: So his announcement I think at this point is absolutely imminent,

836
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Speaker 4: which is again interesting given that he's held out so

837
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Speaker 4: long and there have been so many developments in Trump's

838
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Speaker 4: own saga. So egan Carroll News yesterday, he was indicted

839
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Speaker 4: a month ago.

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Speaker 5: It just hits, just.

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Speaker 4: Keep coming, and that gives Trump, you know, dominance over

842
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Speaker 4: the news cycle. And for Rondasantis to stick his neck

843
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Speaker 4: out and get into the primary, it's obviously a decision

844
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Speaker 4: that affects his viability as a political candidate long, long, long,

845
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Speaker 4: long into the future, because Donald Trump can wipe you

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Speaker 4: out like that, given his popularity with some like thirty

847
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Speaker 4: percent of Republican voters that are hardcore.

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Speaker 1: And so the path to two hundred and seventy electoral

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Speaker 1: College votes if you assume, just for the sake of argument,

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Speaker 1: that Biden or whoever the Democrats throw up is going

851
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Speaker 1: to win Michigan and Pennsylvania, Like let's assume that and

852
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Speaker 1: assume the Republican's going to walk away with Ohio. The

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Speaker 1: Republicans then have to sweep and this goes to the

854
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Speaker 1: point that you are making. They have to sweep Georgia, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: and Arizona. If Democrats win a single one of those three,

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Speaker 1: then they win. And so destanta'sn't making the argument that

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Speaker 1: he's the that Georgie and Arizona. He's keyed in there,

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Speaker 1: and I think if he's if he's arguing that you

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Speaker 1: can win in Iowa, he's obviously going to make the Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: They like me up there too.

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Speaker 1: What's your sense in those three states in particular, who

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Speaker 1: would have a better shot Trump or Desantus of winning

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Speaker 1: those or do neither of them really have? Because that's

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Speaker 1: why you have Democrats so confident that they've got a

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Speaker 1: guy who has like a four percent approval rating and

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Speaker 1: that they're still confident they're going to win because they

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Speaker 1: because they look at those three states and like, we

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Speaker 1: think we can.

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Speaker 3: Hold Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona.

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Speaker 5: In a general Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I think that's a super interesting question because

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Speaker 4: we talked about this in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election

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Speaker 4: last month. The numbers in what's called the Wow counties

874
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Speaker 4: where I grew up actually were a little bit like

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Speaker 4: that's a really conservative voting block it always has been,

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Speaker 4: But the numbers for the conservative justice candidate were fine,

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Speaker 4: Like he won all the counties, but like it was

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Speaker 4: lower than what you would expect the percentage to be

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Speaker 4: and so I think it is true that super kind

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Speaker 4: of maga e stuff has eaten away at enthusiasm in

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Speaker 4: the suburbs. And in a state like Georgia outside Atlanta,

882
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Speaker 4: that's really important, in a state like Wisconsin outside Milwaukee,

883
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 4: that's really important. So I think there's a good argument

884
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Speaker 4: to be made that DeSantis can appeal to the kind

885
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: of rural Wisconsin and Georgia voters that Trump appealed to,

886
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Speaker 4: that he can cling that they, he can hang on

887
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: to that because he kind of gets the whole Trump

888
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: thing in a way other people don't, gets the cultural

889
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: stuff in the way other people don't, while also putting

890
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: up better numbers in the suburbs and not allowing Democrats

891
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Speaker 4: to kind of eat away at them there. So I

892
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Speaker 4: think there's there's an argument to we made that it

893
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Speaker 4: evens out in the primary. That's where it's really difficult,

894
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 4: because if you have DeSantis and all of these other

895
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Speaker 4: people and then Donald Trump in a place like these

896
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Speaker 4: rural areas where Trump has very very high Republican support,

897
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Speaker 4: even if Trump isn't at fifty percent Republican support, it's

898
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Speaker 4: not just Trump versus DeSantis, it's Trump versus de Santas,

899
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Speaker 4: Nikki Haley, et cetera, et cetera, and that splits the

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Speaker 4: vote in a million different ways and Trump still emerges victorious.

901
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Speaker 4: So it just the path to even get to the

902
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 4: general I think it's hard to see.

903
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Speaker 3: So what about this Steve Cortez character? So put this

904
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: next element up.

905
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: So this is a former Trump advisor who flipped and

906
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: is now working on this flush superpack that Desanta's. Maybe

907
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be hilarious if this is Trump's play and

908
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: he's he's he actually hasn't flipped, and he's going to

909
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: take these eighty.

910
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: Six million dollars and he's going to move it.

911
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: This is how Trump's going to keep that money, which

912
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: would be totally legal.

913
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Speaker 6: There is to.

914
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Reiterate, Desanta's is not allowed to have control over this

915
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: money even though he raised it, all right, because if

916
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: he does, it's illeal coordination.

917
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 5: To fine control exactly.

918
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Speaker 3: Well, right, let him let him fight for it. That'd

919
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: be so funny.

920
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Speaker 1: If Steve Cortez is actually still a Trump guy and

921
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: he played DeSantis.

922
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: You should do like campaign strategy, actually, you should advise

923
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 4: people on how to.

924
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 5: Exploit these loopholes.

925
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Cortez if you're watching this, just do it

926
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Speaker 1: for the jokes, just because it would be so funny.

927
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 5: He's like like the stripper coming out of a birthday cake.

928
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: So is how how influential inoperative is he? And is

929
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: this is this a win for DeSantis or is this

930
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: just one more kind of Trump guy that is reading

931
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Speaker 1: the writing on the wall.

932
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Speaker 4: I think it's probably the latter. I don't know much

933
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Speaker 4: about Steve Cortez. I don't have a good sense for

934
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I don't have a good

935
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Speaker 4: sense for how powerfully might be in the conservative movement.

936
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Speaker 4: But I do think it's an indication, at the very

937
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Speaker 4: least to your point that a lot of kind of

938
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Speaker 4: movement conservative people are in the Dysantis are on the

939
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Speaker 4: team and the distantas versus Trump fight. And I've written

940
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Speaker 4: about this at the Federalists before that that is actually

941
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Speaker 4: quite a handicap for rond De Santis, And I think

942
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Speaker 4: Ronda Santis has started to recognize this, and people around

943
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Speaker 4: him have started to recognize this, because if you are

944
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Speaker 4: very online and if you're on Twitter, the DeSantis versus

945
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: Trump influencer beefs have gotten insane, like they're just nauseating

946
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 4: and weird at this point. And so it's to have

947
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Speaker 4: a bunch of like conservative media pundits on the DeSantis

948
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 4: team and not the Trump team, I think just continues

949
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Speaker 4: to make Donald Trump's point that there are forces in Washington,

950
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Speaker 4: the Washington establishment, that are aligned against him and are

951
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Speaker 4: aligning against him, which, by the way, is true because

952
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Speaker 4: if you talk to people who were Trump supporters publicly

953
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Speaker 4: behind closed doors, they would concede all of the different

954
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 4: problems with him. So given the choice in Ronda Santis,

955
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Speaker 4: who many people on the right think is all of

956
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: the good about Trump without the baggage, you know a

957
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: lot of voters like what considered baggage here in Washington,

958
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Speaker 4: d c.

959
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Speaker 5: Bag the fun.

960
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: Stuff, and you know, it's the fun stuff, but it's

961
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Speaker 4: also like in some cases, not every case, we obviously

962
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: talked about Adrien Carrol today, it's not the fun stuff,

963
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: but in some cases it's also the important stuff and

964
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: the good stuff, like him being like what are we

965
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: doing with NATO?

966
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Speaker 5: What are we doing?

967
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Speaker 4: And the way that that's completely dramatically shifted the way

968
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Speaker 4: the Republicans think about NATO and think about foreign policy.

969
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 4: So if that's considered baggage. Then you know, that's a

970
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: pretty open question for Republicans how to handle it.

971
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Speaker 1: And so Liz Cheney did jump into New Hampshire with

972
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Speaker 1: this with an ad coming after Trump.

973
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Speaker 3: Let's roll this real quick.

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump is the only president in American history who

975
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Speaker 9: has refused to guarantee the peaceful transfer of power. He

976
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Speaker 9: lost the election and he knew it.

977
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Speaker 3: To become the president.

978
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 9: He betrayed millions of Americans by telling them.

979
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Speaker 6: The election was stolen stop.

980
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 9: He ignored the rulings of dozens of courts. Rather than

981
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Speaker 9: accept his defeat, he mobilized a mond to come to

982
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Speaker 9: Washington and march on the Capitol. Then he watched on

983
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Speaker 9: television while the mob attacked law enforcement, invaded the Capitol

984
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Speaker 9: and hunted the Vice president. He refused for three hours

985
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Speaker 9: to tell the mob to leave. There has never been

986
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 9: a greater dereliction of duty by any president. Trump was

987
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 9: warned repeatedly that his plans for January sixth were illegal.

988
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 9: He didn't care, and today he celebrates those who attacked

989
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 9: our capital. Donald Trump has proven he is unfit for office.

990
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 9: Donald Trump is a risk America can never take again.

991
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Speaker 3: The Great Task is responsible for the content of this advertising.

992
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Speaker 1: Are there Republicans left in New Hampshire, for instance, that

993
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: are going to be moved by a list Cheney ad.

994
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: Or has she been so thoroughly kind of.

995
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Stomped out of the party that this only helps him.

996
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: What's your sense?

997
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 4: It's a question because this is set to air actually

998
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 4: tonight when Trump is doing a town hall with Caitlyn

999
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 4: Collins of CNN, and I'm kind of confused. I mean,

1000
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 4: I feel like she probably does have money to throw around.

1001
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: I'm sure she has some benevolent backers and has plenty

1002
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 4: of her own money that running an ad like this

1003
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Speaker 4: during a CNN town hall.

1004
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 5: One off, she.

1005
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: Has war profiteering money from Haliburton. She inherited a ton

1006
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: of Haliburton wealth.

1007
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's good to go. She is good to go.

1008
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think with Liz Cheney, the January sixth

1010
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 4: stuff is I mean, maybe she wants to remind people

1011
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: that she's out there. She litigated the January sixth case

1012
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 4: in the public and she could be an option and

1013
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 4: she's just kind of feeling that out. I have no

1014
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 4: I mean, if you didn't have a lot of money,

1015
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: I don't know why you would do this because it

1016
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: just seems like the most obvious way for Liz Cheney

1017
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 4: to pitch herself. Everyone already knows her from January six.

1018
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: Everyone has seen this January six footage over and over

1019
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: and over again, and everybody knows what she thinks about it.

1020
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 4: So to just purely remind people without trying to say

1021
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 4: anything new about yourself and just casting this as like,

1022
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 4: here's the unique thing that my unique criticism of Donald

1023
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: Trump from the vantage point of my January sixth committee perg.

1024
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 4: It's a weird move, I think, And I don't know

1025
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: who the audience really is for it. I know who

1026
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: she thinks the audience is, but I don't know that

1027
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: it exists.

1028
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: Certainly, No, her AD's not wrong, like he did all

1029
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's like and it is it is dark

1030
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: in some ways to be reminded of it, like, oh wow,

1031
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: so yeah, this guy did actually do all of the

1032
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: things that this ad is saying, and he's still kind

1033
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: of the front runner to.

1034
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: Run again, and here's seeing then, yeah, talking to him

1035
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 4: and you know, yucking it up with him.

1036
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: So that's yeah, So that's kind.

1037
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Speaker 5: Of I just don't know what it does real for her,

1038
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 5: you know, what I mean.

1039
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: It's it's it's got her coming up at the end

1040
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: of a segment on counter points.

1041
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 3: I mean, that's something I feel.

1042
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 4: I feel indicted, but like I get like a leftist group,

1043
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: like a liberal dark money group, running an ad like

1044
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: this during a CNN toan hall. Sort of the jarring

1045
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: contrast between what Donald Trump is saying and joking around

1046
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: with on the stage and then the reality of January sixth.

1047
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 4: To pitch yourself as a candidate that way is just

1048
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: a strange. I think it's a weird move, but I

1049
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 4: guess at this point it's really all she has.

1050
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 3: So anyway, what are you looking at?

1051
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 4: All?

1052
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 5: Right?

1053
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: So I said this earlier as we were preparing the show.

1054
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Speaker 4: Yesterday news broke. Actually in The Federalist, my boss, Sean Davis,

1055
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: our CEO, had a really interesting story that some other

1056
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 4: outlets added additional details to. Is the night We're on

1057
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Speaker 4: about the CIA? The CIA. This is in Sean's writing

1058
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Speaker 4: both solicited signatures for, and eventually approved the infamous twenty

1059
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Speaker 4: twenty letter claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop story was

1060
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: a Russian disinformation plot. All Right, To be clear, this

1061
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: is from a document that Senate Republicans. It's going to

1062
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 4: be released by the Select sum Committee on the Weaponization

1063
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: of the Federal Government. Obviously that's a Kevin McCarthy creation

1064
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 4: that's come from Jim Jordan is heading that up. But

1065
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Speaker 4: let's be very clear about what this shows. I know

1066
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: that it gets tired and it gets exhausting, exasperating to

1067
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 4: litigate the stupid Hunter Biden laptop letter again and again

1068
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 4: and again. But what we have here is very clear

1069
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: evidence of the CIA interfering in an American election boom period,

1070
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: full stop. That's honestly all we need to say about

1071
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 4: this topic. I'll continue to flesh it out with details,

1072
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 4: but that's why I think Sean's important. Sewan's reporting is

1073
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 4: really worth talking about. In the same way, by the

1074
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 4: way that the left really hammered these issues during those

1075
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Speaker 4: the Church Committee years.

1076
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Speaker 5: You can even go back.

1077
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Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know that Barry Goldwater's campaign

1078
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: was spied on that Lyndon Johnson directed. I believe it

1079
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: was the CIA to spy on Barry Goldwater's campaign, not

1080
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: the FBI, but the CIA to spy.

1081
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 5: On Barry Goldwater's campaign.

1082
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Speaker 4: The left has covered these issues really well for a

1083
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 4: very long time, But I think it's extremely import that

1084
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 4: we recognize. I get all the Trump stuff, but it's

1085
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 4: still very important to recognize that this is unelected bureaucrats

1086
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 4: wielding enormous power and abusing it for the sake of

1087
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: partisan politics. And you know, as we get through this

1088
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 4: a little bit, you can see more clearly how it's

1089
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Speaker 4: definitely an abuse.

1090
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Speaker 5: Despite what they say.

1091
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 4: You have multiple former US intelligence officials, according to the

1092
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Speaker 4: report that's going to be testimony in a report that's

1093
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Speaker 4: going to be released today, but that Sean obviously reported

1094
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Speaker 4: it on yesterday, they testified under oath about the CIA's

1095
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Speaker 4: involvement in the distribution of the letter.

1096
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Speaker 5: Quote. One signer of.

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Speaker 4: The statement for former CIA analyst David Kerion's disclosed the

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Speaker 4: committees that a CIA employee affiliated with the agency's pre

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Speaker 4: publication Classification Review Board informed him of the existence of

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Speaker 4: the statement and asked if he would sign it. The

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Speaker 4: committees have requested additional material from the CIA, which has

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Speaker 4: ignored the request to date. Okay, so let's just take

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Speaker 4: that this is an email that you can read about

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Speaker 4: it in trans report and obviously in the report that

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Speaker 4: comes out today, that shows there is somebody acting on

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Speaker 4: behalf of the CIA. They'll say that's not the case,

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00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: of course, that'll be their defense of themselves. But somebody

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Speaker 4: who is with the Pre Publication Classification Review Board, that

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Speaker 4: is a board. These stupid acronyms are intentional to get

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Speaker 4: us all mixed up and not be.

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Speaker 5: Able to follow the plot.

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Speaker 4: But that's a board that basically reviews things that former

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Speaker 4: CIA folks put out into the universe.

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Speaker 5: And they were reviewing the letter.

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Speaker 4: You know, former CIA director Mike Morel, we now know

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Speaker 4: is directed by Anthony Blincoln to put together this letter

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Speaker 4: in his own words, as a sort of something that

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Speaker 4: would be helpful to President Biden in the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 4: because obviously the New York Post story contained all kinds

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Speaker 4: of things from Hunter Biden's laptop, not just the salacious things,

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Speaker 4: not just the photographs, but a lot of evidence that

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Speaker 4: the Biden fan family in the president himself that implicates

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Speaker 4: the president himself in influence peddling on a fairly grand

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Speaker 4: scale and with some hostile foreign countries China included. This

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Speaker 4: is happening within a month of the election, and the

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Speaker 4: CIA knows that that laptop, They know this is they

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Speaker 4: know that that laptop is not all Russian disinformation. I

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Speaker 4: believe the FBI had had the laptop since like twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: So keep all of that in mind when you recognize

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Speaker 4: they're mobilizing this letter. New emails show that who else

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Speaker 4: but James Clapper is also involved in massaging the language

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Speaker 4: of the letter. So the language is a bunch of

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Speaker 4: former CIA people. But I think what's so important about

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Speaker 4: this report is that you have someone one of those

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Speaker 4: former CIA guys who signs the letter saying that somebody

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Speaker 4: actively with the CIA asked for his signature. Boom that,

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Speaker 4: even according to Morell's testimony in the report, is quote inappropriate.

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Speaker 4: Here's what Morell said, it's inappropriate for a currently serving

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Speaker 4: staff officer, contractor to be in the political process. Here's

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Speaker 4: what another former CIA guy said. If it's true, it

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Speaker 4: would concern me for sure. But I just have a

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Speaker 4: hard time believing that occurred. If it did, that's incredibly unprofessional.

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Speaker 4: Their theory and their defense is going to be that

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Speaker 4: someone or a couple of people went rogue. They should

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Speaker 4: have sent this from their personal account. They should have

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00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 4: you know, separated business impersonal. When they were looking at

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Speaker 4: this review of the letter, they should have just kept

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Speaker 4: it to that and then emailed somebody from their personal

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00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: or called someone from their personal and said.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you should maybe sign.

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Speaker 4: This letter or something like that, or that if your

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Speaker 4: if your current CIA, you shouldn't have been involved at all.

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Speaker 4: It was just a silly slip up and a mistake.

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Speaker 4: But there is no mistake about this. This is the CIA,

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Speaker 4: according to the email, actively actively asking someone to sign

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00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 4: a partisan a letter that is being organized for a

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00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 4: partisan election purpose. Boom, period, full stop. Again, that's really

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Speaker 4: all we need to know about this. I'm excited to

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Speaker 4: continue learning more, but I just wanted to highlight this

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Speaker 4: for everyone because, you know, somebody who grew up in

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Speaker 4: that kind of post nine to eleven era, generally on

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Speaker 4: the right, I was not the skepticism of what's now

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Speaker 4: called the deep state or of like the CIA, the FBI,

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Speaker 4: the intelligence apparatus was not high on my list of

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Speaker 4: ideological priorities. And I was not to make excuses for myself,

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00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 4: but like a teenager, so I was kind of young

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Speaker 4: and just following, you know, generally along with conservative priorities.

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Speaker 5: That's wrong. I mean, this should have always been a priority.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned Barry Goldwater, this should have been a priority

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Speaker 4: for decades of the conservative movement, because if you're concerned

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00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 4: about the power of an expansive government, you need look

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Speaker 4: no further than the expansive intelligence apparatus for how much

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Speaker 4: that can be abused.

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Speaker 5: Rand Paul Ron Paul have been good on these issues.

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Speaker 4: For a really, really long time, and I think Trump

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00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: gives a lot of people on the left an excuse

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Speaker 4: to ignore and wish away the amplification and the ratcheting

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Speaker 4: up of these abuses of power. They're not this is

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00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 4: not just what it used to be. It's getting worse

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00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: and worse, and they're starting to justify this stuff openly

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Speaker 4: and get away with it because folks in the media

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Speaker 4: don't give a damn. So that's why I thought this

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00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 4: story was worth highlighting. Ryan, You've covered this stuff for a.

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Speaker 5: Really long time.

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Speaker 4: There were some reports in the New York Posts and

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Speaker 4: other places from what's going to be released today yesterday?

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Speaker 4: What did you make of some of these revelations. Where

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Speaker 4: do you think they're going to go from here?

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Speaker 3: I think the CIA ought to stay out of American elections.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 5: I think stay out of elections in general elections. They're

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Speaker 5: very good at.

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Speaker 1: This yes, and it is a coming home to roost

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Speaker 1: type of thing. Like if you have an intelligence apparatus

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Speaker 1: that is going to be monkeying around in the internal

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Speaker 1: affairs of governments all over the world, then certainly they're

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Speaker 1: going to feel like they can monkey around with this one.

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Speaker 1: But I think that there needs to be a civic

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Speaker 1: sense among CIA officials that they are.

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Speaker 3: Out of politics.

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Speaker 1: I think we've got to get these spies and these

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Speaker 1: spy agencies just completely out of our politics.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, they can live in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: You can vote for the House of Delegates, vote for

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Speaker 1: Virginia State Senate, and you can vote for president.

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Speaker 3: If they live in DC.

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Speaker 1: They cannot vote for House or Senate because they live

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Speaker 1: in DC and we don't have House members or senators.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise they should not be organizing on behalf of

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Speaker 1: one candidate or another. And if the CIA believes that

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Speaker 1: there is Russian disinformation, then the CIA should say so,

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Speaker 1: like just publicly come out behind the mics with the

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Speaker 1: press conference and give your evidence for why that is

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Speaker 1: and say it like if that say it.

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Speaker 3: With your chest.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, the intelligence communities tried to do that.

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Speaker 1: I think at twenty sixteen, and if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 1: McConnell basically blocked them from doing doing that, and so

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Speaker 1: then after that they played all these games, these kind

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Speaker 1: of behind the scenes games instead. But they should have

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Speaker 1: just come out like say, like mcconnell'st agree with this,

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Speaker 1: here's what like, and then the public can decide it

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Speaker 1: is that the role we want the CIA playing here,

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Speaker 1: but to do this secretly, behind the scenes, organize it

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Speaker 1: as a former you know, intelligence officials letter.

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Speaker 3: And you know you know, so yeah, stay.

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Speaker 4: Out, yeah, I mean, and there's the point you make

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Speaker 4: a lot that is like when you are you have

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Speaker 4: this muscle memory of doing this wherever you're doing it

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Speaker 4: around the world, You're going to use it in the

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Speaker 4: United States eventually.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's just you can't help yourself. You know how to

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Speaker 4: do it, you think you know something needs to be done.

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Speaker 4: It's inevitably going to bleed into your domestic operations, which

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Speaker 4: you know, the CIA is really not supposed to have anyway.

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Speaker 4: And in this case, it looks like taxpayer resources being

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Speaker 4: used for the Democratic Party as like an kind contribution.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're laundering their reputations, but they're also using

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Speaker 4: tax paramoney for election purposes, So I doubt anything. Will

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01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 4: you know that any accountability will come to it, but

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Speaker 4: it would be from I think this is something that

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 4: everyone can agree on, whether your leftist or on the right.

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Speaker 4: From a populist perspective, it'd be great if there was

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Speaker 4: some accountability. But it's like trying to turn the Titanic

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Speaker 4: around at this point. And maybe we'll continue to hear

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Speaker 4: more from RFK Junior about his plans for the CIA

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Speaker 4: when he's on the campaign trail.

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Speaker 3: There you go, that'll be interesting to see how they

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Speaker 3: handle him. Yeah, sure, will stick around.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have Representative Rocana of California joining us

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Speaker 1: now that the press is looking into Supreme Court corruption.

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Speaker 3: The hits keep coming.

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Speaker 1: The Senate is demanding a list from Harlan Crow of

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Speaker 1: gifts that he has given to Supreme Court justices, specifically

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas, but hey might as well ask what else

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Speaker 1: he's given to whoever else. Joining us now to talk

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Speaker 1: about this constitutional crisis that we're entering into is California

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Speaker 1: Representative Rocanna Commerson Conna, thank you for joining.

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Speaker 6: Us, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: And so my sense of this is that there was

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Speaker 1: a social contract that existed for maybe half a century,

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Speaker 1: where the public just basically let the Supreme Court do

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Speaker 1: whatever it was doing behind the black robes and behind

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Speaker 1: the kind.

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Speaker 3: Of the mystique of the legitimacy of the court.

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Speaker 1: And something has broken, and that now that people are

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Speaker 1: starting to look, they're a little disturbed by what they're finding.

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Speaker 1: What are you hearing from your colleagues on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: about how they're thinking through this controversy around the court.

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Speaker 8: Well, one, there's a shock that Supreme Court justices are

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Speaker 8: allowed to do this. I mean, most colleagues on the Hill,

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Speaker 8: whatever you think of them, you go out for lunch

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Speaker 8: and you end up picking up the tab us because

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Speaker 8: you don't want to fill out all the paperwork of

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Speaker 8: someone paying for the lunch. And it's mind boggling to

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Speaker 8: me that you don't have similar regulations for Supreme Court justices.

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Speaker 8: You have them for the executive branch as well. And

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Speaker 8: I think this has just blown open the fact that

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Speaker 8: the Supreme Court justices have.

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Speaker 6: Not had many standards.

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Speaker 8: Now, my guess is, even though the Supreme Court has

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Speaker 8: had some absolutely awful decisions, it hasn't just been a

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Speaker 8: beacon for sort of democracy and liberalism. Then probably maybe

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Speaker 8: I'm thinking in the past people weren't as venal and

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Speaker 8: you didn't have that kind of egregiousness, and now you've

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Speaker 8: got this egregious case, and I think it's really called

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Speaker 8: into question why we don't have standards.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's been interesting from the perspective of someone

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Speaker 4: on the right to watch a lot of these reports

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Speaker 4: start snowballing. It does I mean, whether or not it's coordinated.

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Speaker 4: It feels coordinated. And that's not to say it's not fair.

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Speaker 4: It's not to say that there aren't some attacks that

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Speaker 4: are not attacks, but there aren't some criticisms or revelations.

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Speaker 4: For instance, I would think about the private flight logs

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01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 4: with Clarence Thomas and Harlan Crow that stand out to

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Speaker 4: me as something that obviously should have been disclosed and

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Speaker 4: rules should be tightened so that we know what's happening.

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Speaker 4: But it seems to be you know, it was left

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Speaker 4: to like the Daily Wire to report that Sonya Soda Mayor,

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Speaker 4: for instance, was hearing a case about Penguin Random House,

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Speaker 4: with obviously being in contract with Penguin Random House. Do

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Speaker 4: you have concerns, Congressman about how this has been sort

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Speaker 4: of piled on conservative justices by the American media, and

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Speaker 4: then it seems that it's not as balanced when there

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Speaker 4: comes to the media's concerns about justices on the left

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Speaker 4: that may be running a foul of similar rules, but

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Speaker 4: it just sort of tanks the credibility of conservative justices

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Speaker 4: without also saying, well, hey, this is probably a broader problem.

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Speaker 8: The two reasons that the Supreme Court as a crisis

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Speaker 8: of confidence. One has to do with the fact that

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Speaker 8: they're just out of touch with the facts of modern life.

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Speaker 8: That you have people appointed twenty thirty years ago, or

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Speaker 8: taking away women's rights to an abortion pill, who are

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Speaker 8: taking voting rights, and there is real anger in the country.

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Speaker 8: And I would say not just among the left, but

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Speaker 8: about many Americans to say, what is the Supreme Court doing?

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Speaker 8: And that's why I propose term limits. There's a separate

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Speaker 8: issue about conflicts of interest and people getting gifts and

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Speaker 8: presiding on cases where they may have a financial interest.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes those two things can get conflated.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you that they should be separate.

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Speaker 8: We should make sure that the ethics conduct has separate reform.

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Speaker 8: At the same time, I believe we need term limits,

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Speaker 8: and I believe that the real crisis of this coort

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Speaker 8: is that they're taking away basic liberties and rights, and

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Speaker 8: that is only apart from even their financial conflicts.

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Speaker 1: And some of this, to me feels like a symptom

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Speaker 1: of our second guilded Age, because if you go back

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Speaker 1: and you think about the last Gilded age and you

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Speaker 1: read some of the Supreme Court corrupt that was going on,

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Speaker 1: then just gab smocking incredible stuff like you Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: justices like literally on the payroll of railroads, writing into

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Speaker 1: law laws that benefited the railroads, and busting the railroad

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Speaker 1: unions and and so it feels like we're entering kind

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Speaker 1: of a second territory like that. And the way that

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Speaker 1: that original corruption was eventually broken was was political. You know,

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Speaker 1: you had FDR come in and give them a political check, say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're going to expand the court if you

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Speaker 1: keep you know, this combination of corruption and moving against

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Speaker 1: the will of the voters, and boom that that got

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Speaker 1: that snapped them back into place, and he didn't have

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Speaker 1: to do the court packing scheme. Is there the political

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Speaker 1: will on the on the democratic side to actually check them,

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Speaker 1: because when when I think when voters see somebody like

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Speaker 1: you just shared. Chairman Dick Durbin say, well, this is

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Speaker 1: up to the Chief Justice, and we hope that he

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Speaker 1: handles this. I think there's a lack of confidence that

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Speaker 1: there is that will to check them in the way

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Speaker 1: that they need to be checked to get them back

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Speaker 1: on track.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think it's up to the Chief Justice.

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Speaker 8: I think Congress should pass a law for a ethics

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Speaker 8: code of conduct. It's not a violation of separation of powers.

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Speaker 8: If it's a violation and separation of powers, how can

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Speaker 8: we pass the laws requiring the president or the vice

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Speaker 8: president to have financial disclosures? How can we pass the

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Speaker 8: laws about conflicts for the executive branch? Of course, we

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 8: could pass the laws on the Supreme Court. And the

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Speaker 8: real thing we need is term limits eighteen years and

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Speaker 8: then you're out.

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Speaker 6: You don't the Constitution says you have to.

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Speaker 8: Be a judge for life, not that you have to

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Speaker 8: be on the Supreme Court for life. But Ryan, and

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Speaker 8: I know you're a student of history, I guess part

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Speaker 8: of what happened. It seems to me is that there was,

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Speaker 8: after a FDR, this move towards meritocrasy, this idea that

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Speaker 8: now people are going to go and take tests and

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Speaker 8: get into schools based on their own on merit. And

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Speaker 8: you know a lot of these justice as have gone

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Speaker 8: to Ida League schools and I went to an Ivy

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Speaker 8: League school, and that somehow this is going to make

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Speaker 8: the process cleaner. And what we're now realizing is sort

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Speaker 8: of a deeper point about the undervalue meritocracy, that it

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 8: did not root out the corruption and may have made

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Speaker 8: it much less blatant, but there's still a lot of

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Speaker 8: conflicts of interest and people with capitals still have extraordinary

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Speaker 8: influence in our democracy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's one of the difficult parts of this

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Speaker 4: is even if there were stringent disclosures implemented, and then

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you about that in a second,

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Speaker 4: billionaires are still going to have plenty of access to

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Speaker 4: the people in the highest exul lens of power. And

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Speaker 4: that isn't to say we should just throw up our hands,

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Speaker 4: of course, it's just a note that even if I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at some of the things, short of as you say, Congressman,

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Speaker 4: term limits, which I would oppose, but like, even if

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Speaker 4: you look at that stuff, it's like, gosh, there's just

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Speaker 4: so much access no matter what.

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Speaker 5: And that gets to Ryan's.

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Speaker 4: Point about the Second Gilded Age, But what likelihood do

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Speaker 4: you think there is of like actual, real ethical reform

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Speaker 4: being passed and implemented in the Supreme Court? Because there

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 4: obviously is a need for it when you look at

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Speaker 4: some of the different things that we've learned in the

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Speaker 4: last several weeks.

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Speaker 5: How likely do you think that is to happen.

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Speaker 6: I believe we need to your first question.

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Speaker 8: We need to make this not just ideological, and we

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01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 8: need to make it broader that there have to be

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Speaker 8: some common sense reforms.

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Speaker 6: You know, the way to get.

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01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 8: Congress to act is to say, it's unfear that Supreme

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01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 8: Court justices aren't getting treated like members of Congress are.

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Speaker 8: Why can't they be a subject to some of the

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Speaker 8: same restrictions. If you make it about the conservative judges,

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01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 8: obviously Republicans get defensive. But here's where I will make

1408
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 8: a partisan point. I think many Republicans are just fine

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01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 8: with the Court because they've gotten what they wanted. They

1410
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 8: got the Row Versus way to overturn. The Court is

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01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 8: buy and large functioning on their ideological agenda, and so

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01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 8: they're reluctant to do things to change a status quo

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01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 8: that is working for them, and that's why I think

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01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 8: it's going to be hard to get something passed with

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Speaker 8: Republicans controlling the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 5: And just too quickly out a point to that.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because if you had, if maybe this push

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Speaker 4: had happened when Elena Kagan didn't recuse herself from the

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 4: Obamacare case, Republicans might have thought differently about it. But

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Speaker 4: because in this case Republicans feel like they have control

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01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 4: over and are happy with where the Supreme Court is,

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Speaker 4: there's probably less political will.

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Speaker 3: But eighteen years seems good.

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Speaker 1: Do eighteen years of the Supreme Court and then you

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Speaker 1: can go be a Circuit Court judge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds that sounds that seems fair. Commers.

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Speaker 1: I also wanted to ask you about a letter that

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Speaker 1: was led by Representative Veronic Ascobar that was calling out

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Speaker 1: the kind of broken policy around sanctions as it relates

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Speaker 1: to both Venezuela and Cuba and connecting it to the

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Speaker 1: migration crisis. But there was this famous viral clip that

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Speaker 1: during the State of the Union where you had President

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Speaker 1: Biden coming up to Menendez and you can kind of

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Speaker 1: you can hear him saying, Bob, Bob, Bob, we need

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Speaker 1: to talk about Cuba. And you see Bob Menendez's face

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Speaker 1: kind of fall He's He's like, I do not want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Cuba to the President, because I think

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Speaker 1: Senator Menendez, the Juiciary Chair, quite fine with the sanctions

1439
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Speaker 1: regime and the kind of embargo that we've got currently.

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Speaker 1: But now that we're almost six months on from that,

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Speaker 1: are you getting any sense that the administration is kind

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Speaker 1: of rethinking its policy towards Cuba and Venezuela as we're

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01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: seeing a flood of migrants come as a direct result

1444
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Speaker 1: of our own policies toward those countries.

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Speaker 8: Well, I appreciate Baronic Astovar's leadership on this, and I

1446
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 8: had joined the letter, and she obviously represents Alpaso, so

1447
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,480
Speaker 8: she's feeling the brunt.

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Speaker 6: Of the challenge with migrants coming across.

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Speaker 8: There are many parts to solving this, but one of

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01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 8: the things that will make it better is if we

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 8: don't have draconian sanctions that are creating economic conditions and

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Speaker 8: hardships that are leading to people leaving. I mean, the

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Speaker 8: Republicans often say, well, it's not just all people coming

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01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 8: for asylum from political persecution, They're coming because of economic

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01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 8: deep deprivation. Well, one of the reasons that there's deep

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01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 8: economic deprivation is because overly punitive sanctions that haven't worked.

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Speaker 8: Baduro is terrible, terrible human rights violations, terrible civil rights violations.

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Speaker 6: But our policy during.

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Speaker 8: The Trump administration and then others, we said, well, we'll

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01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 8: figure out a way to topple them, get someone else installed.

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Speaker 8: None of that work, and now we've got these crippling

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Speaker 8: sections that aren't doing much to weaken him, haven't led

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Speaker 8: to any of the regime change because we usually aren't

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01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 8: good at that, but are leading to morven Azuella is

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Speaker 8: coming to our border, and I guess just common sense

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01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 8: should mean we don't want to be aggravating the flow

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Speaker 8: of refugees into this country, especially economic refugees, even if

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Speaker 8: we're turning them away.

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Speaker 6: It's putting so much stress on our border patrol.

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Speaker 4: Again quickly on that point, if you are coming from

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 4: Cuba or Venezuela, you actually have almost certainly whoever you

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Speaker 4: are a legitimate case for political asylum, not even just economic.

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Speaker 3: Assigned according to US, if we're sanctioning here.

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Speaker 4: But not for the Biden administration shift in Cuba, which

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Speaker 4: I think is incredibly unfortunate, and I do think the

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Speaker 4: sanctions point is entirely fair.

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Speaker 1: And also so yesterday President Biden said that he was

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Speaker 1: contemplating using the fourteenth Amendment to get out of this

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Speaker 1: debt sealing crisis. Would you support that approach and how

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01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: much support do you think there would be in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Caucus for a fourteenth Amendment and run around this.

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Speaker 6: I do support it.

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Speaker 8: I mean, basically, Congress has already authorized the payments, and

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01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 8: we've told the executive ridge they need to pay this, and.

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Speaker 6: Now we're telling them don't pay it.

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Speaker 8: I mean, we're contradicting ourselves and the president as a

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 8: fourteenth Amendment obligation to pay the debts that.

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Speaker 6: Congress has said he needs to pay.

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Speaker 8: I can understand the hesitation because I actually think if

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 8: it goes to the coys, they'll be resolved in the President's.

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 6: Favor once and for all.

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01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 8: We would end this sort of gamesmanship of the debt ceiling.

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01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 6: But I do think that it may.

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Speaker 8: Temporarily spook the markets at a time that the economy

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01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,520
Speaker 8: is already fragile. So obviously it's not an ideal situation.

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01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 8: And while I support it, I also understand why the

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01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 8: President was desperately trying to avoid that situation so that

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,520
Speaker 8: we're not adding more uncertainty to the economy.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, the Feds trying to undermine the economy anyway,

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Speaker 1: So he can help him out there.

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Speaker 3: Connors and Connor, thanks so much for joining us. Really

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate it. Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to take a moment this morning to honor

1505
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: the memory of David Miranda, who was eulogized yesterday by

1506
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,480
Speaker 1: his husband and all of our good friend Glenn Greenwald,

1507
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: who wrote on Twitter, David's life was extraordinary in all ways.

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: His mother died when he was five, leaving him an

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: orphan in Jaka Razine, which is a favela in Rio

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: de Janeiro, but a beautiful and compassionate neighbor took him in,

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: despite four children of her own and deep poverty. Became

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: his mom gave him a chance for a life that

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01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: gave David the chance to live his full potential in

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01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: a society that often suffocates it. He was key to

1515
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: the Snowden story, became the first gay man elected to

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01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: Rio's city council, then Federal Congress at thirty two. He

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: inspired so many with his biography, passion, and force of life.

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01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: Glenn went on, because of how David grew up, there

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01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: were always many assumptions.

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01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 3: Made by those who didn't know him.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who did will tell you there was nobody with

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01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: a stronger will or life force. He was proud that

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01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: he was named by time to be our next generation's leaders.

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: But by far David's biggest dream, what gave him the

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01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: greatest pride in purpose was being a father. He was

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01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: the most dedicated and loving parent. He taught me how

1527
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: to be a father, and our truly exceptional boys, with

1528
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: their own difficult start to life, is his greatest legacy.

1529
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: When David arrived at the hospital last August sixth, I

1530
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: was told there was little chance he'd survived the week.

1531
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: I heard the same three times since he refused, in

1532
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: classic David's style. The last four months gave our family

1533
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: the most beautiful moments together. Glenn goes on, David was

1534
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: singular the strongest, most passionate, most compassionate man I've known.

1535
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 3: Nobody had a bad word for him. I can't describe

1536
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:28,719
Speaker 3: the loss and pain.

1537
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: I'll do my best to honor his legacy, our children

1538
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 1: and our NGOs, and I know so many will celebrate

1539
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: him and his impact now.

1540
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 3: David's passing has produced an.

1541
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: Outpouring of emotion in both Brazil and the United States,

1542
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: including from President Lula de Silva, who was freed from

1543
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: prison primarily as a result of reporting done by Glenn

1544
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: and the Intercept Brazil, which Glenn founded. Lula called David

1545
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: quote a young man with an extraordinary trajectory who left

1546
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: too soon, which is a sentiment that is at once profoundly.

1547
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 3: True yet difficult to fully comprehend.

1548
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 1: There was no limit to what David's life could have brought,

1549
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: not just to him, but to the people of Brazil,

1550
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,959
Speaker 1: who may have lost a future president with his passing yesterday.

1551
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: What made David so unusual was the combination of his passion,

1552
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: his commitment to his democratic socialist politics, and his kindness,

1553
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,799
Speaker 1: his magnanimity, and his ability to leave even his fiercest

1554
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 1: opponents with little choice but to like him personally. Most

1555
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: people have the first of most people who have the

1556
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: first of those two things, they don't have the third.

1557
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 1: And when Glenn wrote that quote, nobody had a bad

1558
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: word for him. He really meant that, and it's at

1559
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: testament to the love they shared that the two of

1560
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: them found each other such a perfect compliment. What also

1561
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: separated David was his unusual courage, which he showed throughout

1562
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: his life. Edward Snowden, learning of David's passing, said, of

1563
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: everyone who had a hand in the twenty thirteen revelations

1564
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: of global mass surveillance, my dear friend David Miranda was

1565
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: perhaps the most righteous and pure.

1566
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: I will never forget that when the.

1567
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 1: UK broke its own laws to detain David as a

1568
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 1: terrorist for daring to aid an active journalism and threatened

1569
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: to throw him in a dungeon for the rest of

1570
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:03,839
Speaker 1: his life, he never faltered.

1571
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 3: Instead, he dared them to do it.

1572
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 1: It was that courage that set him free, that courage

1573
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: that moved the story forward, that will forever serve as

1574
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: the example of a man at his best. I will

1575
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: miss you, David, Stay free. Snowden here is referring to

1576
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: David's twenty thirteen detention by UK authorities, who did indeed

1577
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: threaten to lock him away for life, a threat David

1578
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: stared down in a way few of us might have

1579
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: been able to do. As Snowden said, it was the

1580
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: realization of the authorities that they had no chance to

1581
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: break his will that set him free. Now three years later,

1582
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, he ran with Mariel Franco, who also

1583
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,879
Speaker 1: grew up in the city's favelas, for Rio City Council.

1584
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: Both were elected, becoming not just the first gay and

1585
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: lesbian city council members, but genuine radicals and threats to

1586
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: the status quo. In twenty eighteen, after leaving an event

1587
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: with Glenn and David, Mariel and her driver were gunned

1588
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: down by an assassin on a motorcycle. The murder was

1589
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,919
Speaker 1: credibly linked to the Bolsonaro family. Glenn and David continued

1590
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: crusading for justice for Maryell, and instead of shrinking from

1591
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: public life in the face of rising death threats, they

1592
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: pushed forward. Later that year, David ran for Congress, while

1593
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,839
Speaker 1: Glenn pushed ahead with his investigation.

1594
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 3: Into the networks around Bolsonaro.

1595
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: Now, the way elections work in Brazil, candidates run as

1596
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: a slate, and depending on how high up you are

1597
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: on the slate, you win a seat if your party

1598
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: does well enough. David felt one slot short of making

1599
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: it into Congress, but then something remarkable happened. The only

1600
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: openly gay member of Congress at the time, was facing

1601
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: a wave of credible death threats, and he fled the country,

1602
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: seeking exile rather than what he understood to be certain assassination.

1603
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: That meant that his seat opened up and it was

1604
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: David's if.

1605
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 3: He wanted it.

1606
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: He never flinched, stepping forward, knowing that every step could

1607
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: be his last. In Congress, he continued to pursue the

1608
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: assassins of Mariel Franco. Now, last summer, he was hospitalized

1609
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: for a GI infection, and it quickly spread to his

1610
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: bloodstream and major organs, producing sepsis, which is often fatal

1611
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: within hours. Yet David battled it for nine months, making

1612
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: remarkable progress at times coupled with gut punching setbacks, which

1613
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: devastatingly included this final one. Now, Glenn doesn't often wax

1614
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,839
Speaker 1: philosophical and public.

1615
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 3: That's just not his style.

1616
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: But a few times over the last nine months he

1617
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,480
Speaker 1: wrote essays about this experience and how it had reshaped

1618
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: the way he thought about life and its meaning. And

1619
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: Martin Heideger's book Being in Time, which helped it define

1620
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: continental existentialism, took its title from from the notion that life,

1621
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: or what he called being, got its meaning from time

1622
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: or more to the point, the lack of time that

1623
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: we get. We all know that rationally, but it's so

1624
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: easy to forget. In March, Glenn wrote, every day since

1625
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: two thousand and five that David and I woke up

1626
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: and went to sleep, and shared and built our lives

1627
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: and careers together, and then began raising our children together.

1628
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,480
Speaker 1: We assumed, due to our age and health and hubris,

1629
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: that we would have that for decades to come, if

1630
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: it were a guarantee, as if the universe had provided

1631
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 1: us with some enforceable contract that entitled us to assume

1632
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: this belonged to us and could not be taken away.

1633
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: And because we assumed it, we took it for granted.

1634
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: And because we took it for granted, we often ceased

1635
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: valuing it the way it deserved to be valued. What

1636
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,679
Speaker 1: remains most astounding to me is that after all these years,

1637
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: these decades of running and chasing and striving and reaching

1638
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 1: and grabbing and struggling and pursuing everything that I actually

1639
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: need for core happiness, fulfillment, and gratitude are things I

1640
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: already have and have had for.

1641
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 3: A long time.

1642
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 1: He goes on, and the lack of permanence of those

1643
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: things that provide us the greatest happiness.

1644
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 3: Does not make them less valuable. That is what makes

1645
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 3: them valuable.

1646
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: Their impermanence is the reason to grab them, hold them,

1647
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: appreciate them, and honor them every day that we have

1648
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: them and are thus able to do that. Glenn said

1649
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: that he had found solace and energy in a search

1650
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 1: for gratitude, and all of us should be grateful to

1651
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: have been privileged enough to share the world with a

1652
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: force as great as David, painfully short as that time was,

1653
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: and all of us here on the Breaking Points Channel

1654
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 1: are sending our love to his family as they grieve

1655
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: his loss, and think thinking back over David's life that

1656
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: moment in twenty eighteen, after their good friend was assassinated

1657
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: and he instead of backing away from politics, he goes.

1658
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 3: He pushes ahead and then winds up.

1659
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: Remember when he ran for Congress, he wound up in

1660
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: this remarkable situation one seat short, and then to get

1661
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go to Congress only because the only

1662
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,799
Speaker 1: other openly gay person decides that it's a death sentence,

1663
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: and he just he's I don't care, I'm doing it,

1664
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: not afraid you're not going to scare me, And takes

1665
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 1: his seat in Congress, and as Lulas said, his trajectory

1666
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: knew no let like he was an extraordinarily popular, you know,

1667
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,440
Speaker 1: uh force in Brazilian in Brazilian politics.

1668
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 4: You know, that was exactly the point that stood out

1669
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 4: to me in the Courage, because how often in the

1670
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 4: United States do we you know, sometimes acknowledge really difficult stuff.

1671
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 4: And there are real risks of course to journalism and

1672
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 4: activism and politics in the United States. But to have

1673
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 4: your friend gunned down and then to have a seat

1674
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 4: open up because someone is being pushed out of the

1675
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 4: country by credible death threats for being gay, and then

1676
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 4: to say I'm going into it, I'm taking that seat.

1677
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, and I'm

1678
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 4: going to do it, you know, even even harder and

1679
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 4: better and with more strength. That's a testament to incredible

1680
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 4: authenticity and courage and is just what a lesson. And

1681
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 4: I think your remembrance there's absolutely beautiful. It's so jarring

1682
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 4: when somebody who is such a force and I didn't

1683
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 4: know David, but to your point, amazing when somebody passes

1684
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 4: and there's not a bad word to be said about them,

1685
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 4: it's just jarring when somebody who does have so much

1686
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 4: vitality and strength is stopped short.

1687
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 5: That's one of the strangest things that happens in life.

1688
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: And today would have been his thirty ninth birthday, and

1689
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: you know, from all of us here we're wishing as

1690
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: much love and comfort to his family as possible.

1691
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 3: Thank you all, as always for joining us.

1692
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: And we'll be back next week.

1693
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: More counterpoints to