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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast, Walking In Tuesday Edition and Clay Trap

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Speaker 1: Windnesday Edition. Tuesday. I don't even know what day it is.

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Speaker 1: This is a this is a rough this is a

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Speaker 1: rough start. Buck. It's Super Bowl week. I know I'm

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Speaker 1: traveling out basically right as this show ends, I'll head

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Speaker 1: out to Phoenix, and I've already got so many things

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Speaker 1: that I've got planned out. I already have forgotten what

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Speaker 1: day of the week it is. So it is Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I hope I didn't panic anybody else out there. Almost

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Speaker 1: almost a flawless opening by remembering what day it was.

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Speaker 1: It is also State of the Union Day, which is

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Speaker 1: going to see Joe Biden head up to Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious whether we'll see remember last year State

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Speaker 1: of the Union if I remember correctly ended with Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden saying go get them, which everybody was like, what

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Speaker 1: exactly was going on there? And we think and we

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Speaker 1: think it may have been a message to Biden's handlers

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Speaker 1: to go get him up on the dais there speaking,

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Speaker 1: but instead he read it thinking it was a part

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Speaker 1: of his overall speech. So so many different moving parts here,

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Speaker 1: But Buck, I wanted to hit you with this, which

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Speaker 1: just came down from CBS. CBS not exactly renowned for

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Speaker 1: being biased in favor of anyone out there who is

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Speaker 1: a Republican. Ask George W. Bush about that, but they

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Speaker 1: asked several questions that to me, make it really hard

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Speaker 1: for Joe Biden to argue anything other than the state

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Speaker 1: of our union is not very strong. Buck, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: hit you with these. This is as devastating of a

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Speaker 1: numbers as I can remember seeing for a sitting president.

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Speaker 1: Are your own our Biden's policies, This is the question

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Speaker 1: from CBS, Our Biden's policies making your own family's finances

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Speaker 1: better or worse? Better eighteen percent worse, forty nine percent?

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Speaker 1: Making political division? Remember Joe Biden ran on, I'll get

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Speaker 1: everybody back together again. I'm gonna be normal. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: end this divisive era that we live in. Are Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's policies making political division better or worse? Better? Nineteen

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Speaker 1: percent worse, fifty percent? And this one. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: build on this one a little bit more, Buck, because

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Speaker 1: I know you'll love it, given your focus on the border,

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Speaker 1: making a legal immigration better or worse better twenty one percent,

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Speaker 1: worse fifty one percent, and let me build on this

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Speaker 1: immigration for you Buck. They then broke it down by

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Speaker 1: everybody's parties out there. Do you think the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: should be tougher or easier on immigrants trying to cross

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Speaker 1: at the border? Tougher fifty four percent, easier twenty percent. Buck.

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Speaker 1: Democrats by ten points think that Biden should be tougher

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Speaker 1: at the border. Not surprisingly, the GOP eighty three to

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Speaker 1: eleven says tougher Independent voters fifty three to twenty three,

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Speaker 1: tougher White sixty one, nineteen Black forty to twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Hispanic forty four to twenty five. As bad as Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's policies are, he has managed to unite the entire

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Speaker 1: country in believing that he is awful on many things,

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Speaker 1: but that the worst single thing that Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: doing in his presidency right now is handling the border.

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Speaker 1: I just thought, even from CBS, these were pretty staggering

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Speaker 1: numbers that came out today, and here we are watching

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Speaker 1: as the preparations for the State of the Union address tonight.

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Speaker 1: Clay for this regime includes re erecting the big black

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Speaker 1: fence around the grounds of the Capitol. Do you see

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Speaker 1: this they're actually this morning. Yeah, they're they're setting up

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Speaker 1: the anti riot fencing around the Capitol because of the insurrection. Uh,

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Speaker 1: They're they're really doing this. And as much as people

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Speaker 1: understand the pathetic theatrics that it is comprised of, I

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Speaker 1: think unfortunately. You know, we look at all this data,

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Speaker 1: we look at how people feel about the economy, and

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Speaker 1: then we see them preparing for the siege of what's

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Speaker 1: going on at the Capitol. State of the Union address tonight,

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Speaker 1: which is going to be boring. You and I will

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Speaker 1: watch it. I do not recommend that everybody else. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell everybody, don't waste your time watching the State of

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Speaker 1: the Union dress. Clay and I will watch it, and

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Speaker 1: we will tell you whatever is interesting about tomorrow, it

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Speaker 1: is not worth your I was gonna say watch football instead,

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Speaker 1: but I guess there's only one game left in football

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Speaker 1: because I know about that one Super Bowl is coming.

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Speaker 1: You know who's playing. Do you remember the Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and another and very good team. I've actually impressed

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Speaker 1: you got one of the two. The eagles, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: fly eagle, my beloved eagles, the majestic bird, of course.

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Speaker 1: So here we are, they're watching all this unfold with

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration, and it feels a bit like there

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Speaker 1: must be either some plan or some reality that we're

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Speaker 1: not necessarily taking note of, because all these polls indicate

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Speaker 1: a regime that is floundering. But we did not see

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Speaker 1: a Democrat party that got its butt kicked like all

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Speaker 1: I'm also now, I'm very I'm more skeptical of polls

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Speaker 1: after what happened in twenty sixteen, obviously, but that was

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Speaker 1: a happy skeptic, says, I'm like, oh, look at them,

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Speaker 1: they're wrong. This time around, it proved that people can

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Speaker 1: get it wrong and the pulsers will get it wrong

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Speaker 1: in both directions. That was one of the lessons learned.

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Speaker 1: And it just feels to me like for all of

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Speaker 1: the idiocy and the incompetence of the Biden administration and

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Speaker 1: the hysteria they surround them themselves with, while they're I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're erecting anti riot fencing around the Capitol. You know,

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Speaker 1: get a grip lives where any riots after the last

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Speaker 1: election just calm down. But you know, they're nefarious and

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Speaker 1: they're ruthless, and they're organized and they move as a collective,

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Speaker 1: and so I just don't want us to underestimate them, because, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Biden sucks at the job. Biden could very easily get

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Speaker 1: reelected president of the United States of this country unless

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Speaker 1: we make the case and have an agenda and do

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Speaker 1: everything right, you know. I just that's where my head

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Speaker 1: is with all this, right, like, yeah, he's terrible, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the polls show it. Does that mean he's gonna lose?

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Speaker 1: Does that mean that they'll actually have to seed power

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Speaker 1: we have to make sure that we look at it

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Speaker 1: the truth of the boy. How much worse could the

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Speaker 1: border be Clay, Could it be worse? Honestly, no, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it could be worse. And I mean that's

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Speaker 1: really this is effectively the start of Joe Biden's reelection

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Speaker 1: to make his case for twenty twenty three. There are

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Speaker 1: already reports that he's going to call, for instance, for

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt at all, barring a major

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Speaker 1: And I think we talked about this some, but I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised it hasn't gotten more attention. The fact that they

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Speaker 1: Biden's most reliable of all the locations. Remember, he did

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Speaker 1: awful in Iowa, he did awful in New Hampshire, and

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Speaker 1: so they've recast the DNC has the overall primaries for

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Speaker 1: the Democrats to basically ensure that even if Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: snuff out that challenger very quickly. Now maybe somebody still

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Speaker 1: Ann Williamson, remember her, the sort of new age guru

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Speaker 1: Eric Adams, but a lot of the legitimate big time

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Speaker 1: contenders have dropped out of this race, and so it

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Speaker 1: now looks like they basically cleared the decks for Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: this is his beginning stage to make the case that

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Speaker 1: he is the best to take us into the next

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Speaker 1: four years. And because I think effectively a buck you

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Speaker 1: to era that chances of anything substantial coming out in

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Speaker 1: that that's where we are. You know, we're in a

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Speaker 1: the shots for four years, right, So it matters a

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Speaker 1: whole lot, but the margins are very small. The we're

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Speaker 1: I think that's very meaningful for us all to understand.

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Speaker 1: So I'm hopeful that the right will not only be

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Speaker 1: effective in producing I mean, what is our healthcare program?

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are things. Do you hear anyone even

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Speaker 1: any Republican, any Conservative, anybody speak meaningfully about healthcare In

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that Kevin McCarthy is saying social Security and

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Speaker 1: Medicare cuts are off the table right now, because anything

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Speaker 1: Medicare right now. That's a terrible idea. But we are

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Speaker 1: of economy right now. I don't. I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: And who knows, right, I mean, if you want predictions

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Speaker 1: If it's just okay, then it turns into what is

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Speaker 1: that last one or two percent decide when they're in

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Speaker 1: the lever. Yeah, And I think you're right. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be blah. But you know, Joe Biden's going

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Speaker 1: to go out and say, well, we've got fourteen million

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Speaker 1: Democrat line is set. There's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of drama barring a health scare. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: from Joe Biden, They're gonna run him. I think it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna run him. The best option all of

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Speaker 1: the drama is going to come in the next year

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Speaker 1: out of the Republican side of the equation, because I

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Speaker 1: believe whoever Republicans pick will beat Joe Biden. I really

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Speaker 1: do in twenty twenty four. The question is by how

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Speaker 1: much and to what degree are we all sitting up

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Speaker 1: so that we keep China on it's on its toes,

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Speaker 1: what we would do. And Buck, here's the other question.

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Speaker 1: believe you will all love. We'll join now. There's a

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Speaker 1: battle of breuhaha going on right now out in the

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Speaker 1: state of Oklahoma over trans treatments for young children. The

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Speaker 1: Governor of Oklahoma, Kevin Stitt, joins us Now, Governor, appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time I know you're in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: battle out there. What is so controversial? You walk me

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Speaker 1: through this. You can't get a tattoo most places till

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Speaker 1: you're eighteen. You can't drink a beer or till you're

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Speaker 1: twenty one, You can't rent a car till you're twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Why is it controversial to say, especially for minor kids,

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Speaker 1: that they can't have gender reassignment surgery. What's this battleground

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Speaker 1: like and why is it even a battleground at all? Well,

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Speaker 1: first off, pretty common sense to us. We don't think

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Speaker 1: it should be controversial. We're really just trying to protect kids.

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Speaker 1: We're not trying to go against any person. But we

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Speaker 1: do not believe, like you said, that a minor that

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Speaker 1: can't buy alcohol, can't buy cigarettes, can't get a tattoo,

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Speaker 1: should go in and have a permanent gender altering surgery.

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Speaker 1: It just makes no sense at all. So I've called

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Speaker 1: the legislature to ban that. I mean, you've got some

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Speaker 1: you've got some folks that are that are I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you'll have to have them on there. Why they think

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Speaker 1: that's a good idea to do this to minors. But

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Speaker 1: you have a few protesters coming out, But overwhelmingly Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: support this and we're gonna get it across the finish line. Governor. Still,

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Speaker 1: it's buck, thanks for being with us. It seems that

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Speaker 1: there's a number of bills at Bill one twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: the Millstone Act, and that would have a ban on

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Speaker 1: gender reassignment for those under twenty six. I'm just wondering,

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Speaker 1: is it already clear which one of these bills is

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Speaker 1: the one that we'll get through the legislature. Basically, which

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Speaker 1: one are you going to sign? Yeah? Well, first off,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sign whichever one goes from our desk,

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Speaker 1: but I'm working with the leadership of the House, the Senate.

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Speaker 1: We think the cleanest way is just say eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a thought to go to twenty one,

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Speaker 1: but it's very clear that anybody under the age of eighteen,

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Speaker 1: we need to protect those young people. And listen, these

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Speaker 1: are elective surgeries. We don't want tax dollars to go

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Speaker 1: to these type of surgeries. If you want to do

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Speaker 1: this and it selective surgery after you're an adult, that's

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Speaker 1: one thing. But again, we have a responsibility to protect

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Speaker 1: our young people, protect our children, and uh, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. I mean, this is the only type

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Speaker 1: a doctor self diagnose themselves and also prescribe the surgery

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Speaker 1: that they want. And uh, and we just think that

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Speaker 1: type of surgery should be left to an adult after

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Speaker 1: your brain is fully developed. And there's all kinds of

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Speaker 1: studies that that that that kind of back that up

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Speaker 1: that the kids, you're not you're not able to make

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Speaker 1: that decision at that point. So let's just wait till

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Speaker 1: your governor in your state in Oklahoma? What is the

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Speaker 1: current procedure? Is there one for uh? You know, because

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Speaker 1: this law obviously would would address this, but prior to

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Speaker 1: going into effect, Uh, is there some baseline number of visits?

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Speaker 1: Is there some number of different professionals, like basically for

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Speaker 1: a minor to have transgender surgery as it exists right

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Speaker 1: now in Oklahoma, is there any defined process or is

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Speaker 1: just is it just up to the individual medical practitioner? Well,

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Speaker 1: that was that was the case. There was actually a

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Speaker 1: clinic that we discovered in one of our big university

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Speaker 1: hospitals that was that we're performing these type of surgeries

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Speaker 1: and so they were, you know, basically promoting it or

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Speaker 1: people that were coming in and they could do this

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Speaker 1: these permanent altering surgeries there. And so I did an

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Speaker 1: executive order last year to stop that from taxpayer dollars

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Speaker 1: being used, and then I asked the legislature to codify

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Speaker 1: that into the law this year, but not a ton

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Speaker 1: had been done. Um. So again, this is a very

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Speaker 1: very small minority of of of of folks. And uh.

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Speaker 1: And again we're not against any any one person, and

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Speaker 1: we believe in freedoms and personal responsibilities, but we have

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Speaker 1: a duty to protect young people. And that's what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about here. We're talking about kids that are under

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Speaker 1: the age of eighteen. And that's what I'm calling for

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Speaker 1: in legislation this year in Oklahoma. Where has this come from, Kevin? Um?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're a governor, but let's just step a back,

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Speaker 1: like you're also a dad. I'm a dad. We've got

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Speaker 1: young kids. You're around my age. You grew up like

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Speaker 1: there were people who were tomboys right like seven eight

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Speaker 1: year old girls. I mean, we had I've coach Little

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Speaker 1: League baseball, We've got girls playing on the teams. This

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Speaker 1: idea that you should be treating kids who suddenly say,

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Speaker 1: at eight years old, like I'm in the wrong body.

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Speaker 1: We're going to delay puberty, We're gonna take i mean

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Speaker 1: literally take off some of their organs in an effort

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Speaker 1: to make them a different gender. This is all way

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Speaker 1: more substantial then where the transgender universe began, which, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, is Hey, I'm an adult and I've decided

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Speaker 1: as an adult to make these choices. Where is this

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Speaker 1: drop force of child treatment coming from? And are you

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Speaker 1: as stunned to see it sweep the country as both

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Speaker 1: Buck and I have been and many of our listeners

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Speaker 1: are as well. I mean listen, I mean people that

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Speaker 1: are that are coming out of the woodwork. The left

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Speaker 1: just continues to move further and further away from mainstream

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Speaker 1: and what is normal and reasonable and righteous and so again,

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you where it's coming from, but what

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that people are starving. The most

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Speaker 1: people around in America that we talk to, they're starving

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Speaker 1: for people to talk about traditional family values. Where they're

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Speaker 1: starving for people to talk about putting the putting focus

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Speaker 1: back on the family. And again, this isn't against any

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Speaker 1: one person, but to us, it's just common sense that

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Speaker 1: we're going to protect our young people in the state

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Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. We don't think that should be controversial. But again,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have You're gonna have a few people complain,

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Speaker 1: you know, if your ice creams too cold. So you've

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Speaker 1: always got these fringe folks that are gonna come complain

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Speaker 1: about something. And so we really we're gonna move forward

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Speaker 1: with this. It's the right thing to do, and Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: prewhelmingly support me, and I think most Americans think that

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Speaker 1: we need to protect miners as well. We're speaking of

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Speaker 1: Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma. Governor there was that protest

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Speaker 1: that made its way inside the Capitol. There were there

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Speaker 1: any arrests, and I'm just wondering if your expectations are

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Speaker 1: that these kinds of protests in and around the capitol

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Speaker 1: are likely to continue. You know, there were no arrests,

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Speaker 1: and for the most part, I mean they screamed and

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Speaker 1: hollered a little bit, but they had a permit to

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Speaker 1: protest on the second floor. They moved up to the

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Speaker 1: fourth floor. So when I was going out to deliver

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Speaker 1: my State of the State address, you know, they were

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Speaker 1: screaming some profanities at me. But anyway, no big deal.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like they tore anything up or broke into

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Speaker 1: the capitol or anything like that. But our police had

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Speaker 1: it all under control. And I mean, in Oklahoma, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna arrest you if you get out of control in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: So they immediately said, hey, you're going We're arresting you.

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Speaker 1: They only had a permission to be on the second

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Speaker 1: floor if they didn't quiet down. So everybody immediately started

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Speaker 1: quieting down. But we had a great show of force,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we had our you know, our great highway patrol.

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Speaker 1: We're all over that situation, and nothing, there was never

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Speaker 1: any danger for the citizens of the state of Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: or the capital. We're talking to the Governor of Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stitt, m Kevin shifting years off of the transgender issue.

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Speaker 1: We just had a Chinese spy balloon float all over

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the United States. Now, I don't believe

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Speaker 1: it came through Oklahoma airspace, but one of the things

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Speaker 1: Buck and I talked it was in Oklahoma. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: so that's that's my that's my question, honestly, that's my

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Speaker 1: question for you. I said, if I had been the

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Speaker 1: governor of Tennessee, and I think it kind of skirted

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Speaker 1: Tennessee and you know it went out South Carolina, North Carolina. Whatever. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's say that you are the governor of Oklahoma, and

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Speaker 1: let's say that another Chinese spy balloon comes into the

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Speaker 1: United States again, which given what happened once, I mean,

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Speaker 1: why would we not think they might do it again?

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Speaker 1: Can you, as the governor of Oklahoma shoot this thing down?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I did you ask your team? Like? We

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Speaker 1: haven't ever really to my knowledge, had a situation shouldn't

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Speaker 1: like this. It's without precedent. But the argument that I

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Speaker 1: made on the radio show is, if it's in a

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Speaker 1: state airspace and if the governor wants to call out

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Speaker 1: the state guard or someone that he's in charge of,

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Speaker 1: could you shoot down that's five plane, that's five balloon?

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Speaker 1: Would you have done it? I mean, what should happen there?

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Speaker 1: What should have governor do? Well? First, first off, you

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Speaker 1: know I say that tongue in cheek a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but but absolutely this was so frustrating for I know,

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Speaker 1: my Republican governor colleagues around the country. When we first

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Speaker 1: saw that coming, we got on the phone, we got

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Speaker 1: briefed by the d D in the White House on

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Speaker 1: this issue, and whyant wasn't ever shot down before it

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Speaker 1: made into the US airspace is a headscratcher. And I

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Speaker 1: did call my National Guard. I called my commander. I'm

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Speaker 1: the commander in chief of the Oklahoma National Guard, and

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Speaker 1: so I was talking to him if it did make

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Speaker 1: it down here, what we've got, We've got an F

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Speaker 1: fifteen F sixteen in our in our at our Tulsa

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Speaker 1: National Guard, and so we have those conversations. Obviously, that's

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Speaker 1: a bigger conversation that we would need to have with

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Speaker 1: the Department as a fence. But like every American you know,

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Speaker 1: and my job is to protect the citizens of Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: with our national Guards. So but that's a huge, huge

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Speaker 1: issue that we obviously would be in consultation with the

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Speaker 1: with the big army. But I guess the real question

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Speaker 1: we need to ask ourselves is how did we let

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Speaker 1: it let it get into the airspace a United States?

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Speaker 1: And that's really the question that needs to be answered.

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Speaker 1: And if the if the Pentagon did not brief the President,

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Speaker 1: which I'm heard they didn't, I think heads need to

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Speaker 1: roll there as well. Pentagon didn't break brief Trump or

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Speaker 1: didn't brief Biden on this? Didn't brief Biden if they

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Speaker 1: go wow Biden until it was in uh, until it

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Speaker 1: was already inside the US airspace. And that's a big problem.

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Speaker 1: But yes, the president needed to make decisions before that

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Speaker 1: thing came all across our continental United States. And Governor Sitt,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of the reports that, oh, there

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Speaker 1: were a bunch of balloons under Trump too, but no

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Speaker 1: one told Trump something like that. I don't believe that

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean, I know President Trump, and there's

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Speaker 1: no possible way he would have let that happen. And

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Speaker 1: so we did not believe that there were spy balloons

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Speaker 1: here in the continental US under Trump. All right, much

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Speaker 1: less serious. But I saw that Americans are gonna wager

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this story. Americans are

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Speaker 1: gonna wager more money on the Super Bowl than Iran

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Speaker 1: spends every year on its entire defense department. So he

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Speaker 1: got the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles. I

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Speaker 1: know you're a big sports fan, who's gonna win? Why, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Uh my homes, I really like myhomes now. Now Hurts

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Speaker 1: has a little connection to Oklahoma. He quarterback University of Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: so little. But you're in Oklahoma State Cowboys, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you want to back and know you guys,

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Speaker 1: I am an Okama State cowboy. But you know when

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Speaker 1: when when when a local boy does well, you want

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Speaker 1: to you want to root for him too. But Mahomes

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Speaker 1: I watched him play when he was at Texas Tech

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Speaker 1: and and as a big twelve guy, he's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Governor, Well, we appreciate you to what you're

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Speaker 1: the fight you're fighting out there over this what seems

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Speaker 1: like quite simple child abuse bill to try to protect

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Speaker 1: kids out there. And hopefully if the Chinese spy balloon

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Speaker 1: comes through the state of Oklahoma, you can take it

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Speaker 1: out and come on and talk about it with us.

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Speaker 1: Oh that'd be pretty cool. Well listen, keep talking truth

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Speaker 1: out there. Americans love you guys. We'll keep it going.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Governor. Okay, thank you, bye bye.

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Speaker 1: He's great. Um and uh, the fact buck like we

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Speaker 1: said that this could ever have been controversial. Hey, you

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Speaker 1: can't have surgery on miners to change their gender. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just I wonder how we ever got here? Right?

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Speaker 1: How about you and me on Friday and all of

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Speaker 1: our listeners when the balloon's flying over our airspace were like,

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Speaker 1: shoot it down, yeah, I mean immediate, and there were

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Speaker 1: all the lives were oh, it would cause an international conflagration.

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Speaker 1: And then a couple days later, Biden shoots it down. Okay, okuck,

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Speaker 1: Travis San Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back in. I hope

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Speaker 1: all of you are having a fantastic Tuesday wherever you

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Speaker 1: may be. We are bringing in now our friend Gordon

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Speaker 1: Gee Chang, who does an incredible job analyzing the situation

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Speaker 1: of geopolitical struggle between the United States and China. His

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Speaker 1: latest book is The Coming Collapse of China. Sorry. His

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Speaker 1: latest book is The Great US Tech China Tech war

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Speaker 1: at Gore g Chang on Twitter. So, Gordon, when you

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Speaker 1: saw this story about the Chinese spy balloon, your thoughts

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Speaker 1: in terms of analyzing why it happened? That is, the

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Speaker 1: motive on China side was what and where do we

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Speaker 1: go from here? There were two things which I thought

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Speaker 1: were possible explanations. One of them was that Sejun Ping

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Speaker 1: was so bold, so aggressive, that he was going to

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Speaker 1: try to humiliate the United States, tell the world that

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Speaker 1: the US was done as a power and that therefore

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Speaker 1: they should ditch us and obey China. The second thing

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Speaker 1: is that the Chinese military, which we know is politically powerful,

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Speaker 1: basically decided it was going to do whatever it wanted

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Speaker 1: to do, and they were then going to fly this

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Speaker 1: right across our Air Force bases, which had bombers, which

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Speaker 1: had ICBMs, and the rest of it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: which of those two is correct, but neither of them

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Speaker 1: is a good story, because they say that China is

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Speaker 1: preparing to go to war, and unless something changes, that's

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Speaker 1: probably where we're going to end up. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: can deter China, but we're not deterring China. Now, Gordon,

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Speaker 1: do you see parallels between what China is doing here

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Speaker 1: and the Cold War with the US and the Soviets

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Speaker 1: YouTube flights and other spying and surveillance missions. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: had the incident in what nineteen sixty where Franciscary Powers

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Speaker 1: the YouTube pilot was shot down. This is a little

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Speaker 1: bit different because it could very well mean that in

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Speaker 1: China this is a regime in turmoil right now. I

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Speaker 1: think Sejnping sees a closing window of opportunity to achieve

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Speaker 1: what he considers to be historic goals. So he's going

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Speaker 1: to roll the dice and do it while he can.

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Speaker 1: And if the second explanation is right about the military freelancing,

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Speaker 1: then we've got a different set of problems, but one

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Speaker 1: which are equally difficult for us to do with. So

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Speaker 1: in that sense, the Cold War had a stability to

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Speaker 1: it right now, I don't think we have that stability.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the timing with Secretary Blinkin. I'm really

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Speaker 1: intrigued by your analysis here because if you are correct

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Speaker 1: and this was potentially a Chinese driven military move without

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Speaker 1: necessarily Jijing Ping being involved in ordering this, then it

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Speaker 1: could have been timed to try to embarrass him associated

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Speaker 1: with the Anthony Blinkin visit coming right. In other words,

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Speaker 1: they don't want there to be sort of a lessening

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Speaker 1: of tensions potentially in China. Do you think how would

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Speaker 1: you analyze the timing of the blink In meeting given

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Speaker 1: your potential scenarios there. That's a great question. Some people

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Speaker 1: have thought that the balloon incident was time to actually

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Speaker 1: derail Secretary Blinkin's anticipated trip February five and six. Other

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Speaker 1: people said no, they wanted Lincoln to come, but they

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Speaker 1: wanted to give Lincoln a bargaining chip in a sense,

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Speaker 1: basically saying we'll stop the balloon flights if you stop

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Speaker 1: the reconnaissance along our coasts, which is an even more

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Speaker 1: arrogant way of looking at the Chinese right now. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the correct intentions were in the motivating reasons,

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Speaker 1: but we do know that there is trouble inside the

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Speaker 1: regime and that it portends, i think, increasing tension, especially

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Speaker 1: because we have President Biden yesterday saying that this balloon

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Speaker 1: incident is not going to weaken US China relations. And

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Speaker 1: really what Biden is saying is that the Chinese can

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Speaker 1: do anything they want, and we're still not going to

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Speaker 1: impose costs. So that is extremely troubling when you think

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Speaker 1: about the psychology of this and that attitude that the

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Speaker 1: Chinese can do whatever they want. That goes back to

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Speaker 1: President George W. Bush, who imposed no costs on China

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Speaker 1: for the EP three incident. So this is a clear pattern.

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Speaker 1: You've got Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives. They have all had

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Speaker 1: attitudes which have emboldened the worst elements in the Chinese

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Speaker 1: political system by not imposing costs or bad behavior. Gordon,

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Speaker 1: So do you think this is the big question? Right?

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Speaker 1: Buck and I were debating it earlier. Do you think

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Speaker 1: we had that military general come out in say twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five is when he thinks this is going to

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Speaker 1: happen in terms of China invading Taiwan? Do you think

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Speaker 1: this just continues to pour ten China invading Taiwan? And

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Speaker 1: if so, what is that Joe Biden? What is the

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Speaker 1: United States response going to be? Yeah, you're referring to

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Speaker 1: General Mike Minihan, who is the Chief of Commander of

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Speaker 1: the Air Mobility Command of the Air Force, and that

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Speaker 1: leaked memo said that his gut, his he put it

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Speaker 1: meant said that we'd be fighting quote in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five after this, you know, and everyone said, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: really close. Well after this balloon incident, I think twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five is a long way off. It could very

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Speaker 1: well be before that, and it could be Taiwan, could

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Speaker 1: be India, could be Japan or the Philippines. Remember in

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Speaker 1: December when China was going through those protests, China was

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Speaker 1: very provocative with a large incursion into India's Aeronachal pradession

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Speaker 1: in the Himalayas. We had stepped up provocations in the

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Speaker 1: South China Sea against Philippines, in the East China Sea

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Speaker 1: against Japan, and of course the continuing air incursions against Taiwan,

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Speaker 1: especially the one on Christmas Day. So as China gets weaker,

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Speaker 1: it gets more belligerent, and as I think Sie jumping sees,

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Speaker 1: Biden is not going to stop him. So this is

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Speaker 1: I think the most dangerous moment in history. Gordon, Well,

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Speaker 1: we're speaking to Gordon Chang. Follow him on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Gordon g Chang and also get a copy of the

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Speaker 1: Great US China Tech War, which is his latest book.

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Speaker 1: What would be? You brought up no cost in response

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Speaker 1: to this, and clearly flying a big balloon in US

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Speaker 1: airspace for days on end. Everybody knows that it's a

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Speaker 1: surveillance or spying spying balloon, so they're trying to get

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Speaker 1: information about US defense and military capabilities that we don't

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Speaker 1: want them to have. What would be appropriate costs to

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Speaker 1: make the Chinese incur in response to this? What is

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Speaker 1: the path you think that would actually show the Chinese

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Speaker 1: you can't get away with this kind of stuff anymore. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that, first of all, the costs have to

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Speaker 1: be disproportionate, in other words, so much greater than what

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Speaker 1: the Chinese did. And so what I would do is

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Speaker 1: I'd break off all communication with China. I would close

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Speaker 1: their four consulates in the US, strip their embassy staff

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Speaker 1: just down to the ambassador. I'd start closing the Chinese

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Speaker 1: banks which are laundering sent profits for those gangs that

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Speaker 1: Fentinel's killing Americans. There is a menu of things that

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Speaker 1: we can do, but essentially we have to show China

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Speaker 1: that the costs are severe, and that those would be

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Speaker 1: severe costs for a balloon incident. Just imagine what it

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Speaker 1: would be for something else. There's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: that China needs the US for. I don't think we

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Speaker 1: should be providing them to the Chinese. So I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see them all cut off. I know that sounds drastic,

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Speaker 1: but I think it is strategically wrong. But even more important,

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Speaker 1: it's morally wrong to build up the armed forces of

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Speaker 1: an adversary that is planning to kill Americans. And that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what's happening right now. And Gordon I have to ask.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've said that there were a number, and

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Speaker 1: it's tough to see what's true and what maybe the

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Speaker 1: exaggeration is here from our own government. They said that

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Speaker 1: there were balloons during the Trump administration, but maybe they

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Speaker 1: didn't tell Trump about them. We had Trump's acting secretary

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Speaker 1: of Defense on he said he had never heard anything

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Speaker 1: about this. And the guy's secretary defense, I feel like

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Speaker 1: he could probably get a good read on what the

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Speaker 1: military knows. But is it your belief then that if

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Speaker 1: we don't have any kind of costs associated with this,

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Speaker 1: it's China just going to keep flying these balloons. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like why wouldn't they Yeah, why wouldn't they?

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Speaker 1: And you know, you go back to George W. Bush

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Speaker 1: not imposing any costs for stripping our EP three first

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Speaker 1: of all clipping the wing, forcing it down, imprisoning the crew,

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Speaker 1: trying to hold it for a ransom, stripping the plane

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Speaker 1: of its electronic gear, no costs on China. So really

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Speaker 1: what happened is George W. Bush told the worst elements

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Speaker 1: in the Chinese political system, go right ahead and do this.

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Speaker 1: And what it did was it said to the other

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Speaker 1: elements of the Chinese political system, those that would want

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Speaker 1: a cooperative relationship with us. We told the cooperative people,

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Speaker 1: you're wrong, because we don't impose costs on being belligerent.

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Speaker 1: So this has opened the door. And if we don't

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Speaker 1: change our attitudes towards this in our policies, this is

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Speaker 1: only going to get worse. Now people they say you

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Speaker 1: start cutting ties, it's going to be worse. But the

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Speaker 1: point is our policies would sound good to the ear,

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Speaker 1: have created a disastrous situation. Every option now going forward

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Speaker 1: carries great risk, and that's the result of misguided policies

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Speaker 1: over the course of especially the last three decades. So

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Speaker 1: what choice do we have. We got to try something new,

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Speaker 1: because if we don't try something new, we probably are

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Speaker 1: going to end up in the worst moment in history.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think, Gordon and this administration has China

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Speaker 1: policy the most in their hands, or is their responsibility?

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Speaker 1: Is it really because it feels like Biden these days

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Speaker 1: they all know, you know, they're just trying to push

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Speaker 1: them along. Is it Blinkin? Is it somebody on the

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Speaker 1: DoD side? Who is who is Biden's top China person

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Speaker 1: right now? Well, on the National Security Council it is

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Speaker 1: Kurt Campbell, But you know you have Blinkin, you have

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Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan, the National Security Advisor. I'm sure there's some

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Speaker 1: people in the basement that we never hear about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the proverbial Obama people. And of course it's Biden himself.

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Speaker 1: I mean he forget about Hunter. Biden forget about the

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Speaker 1: money issues, even if those aren't true. Biden has views

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Speaker 1: about China that are seriously out of date, and his

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Speaker 1: views are those that have created this situation in the

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Speaker 1: first place. Add in Hunter, adding the money, it just

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Speaker 1: gets even worse. So you know, I don't know who

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Speaker 1: Gordon Chang, everybody follow him on Twitter at Gordon Chi

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Speaker 1: Chang and pick up a copy of The Great US

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Speaker 1: China Tech War. Gordon, Thanks for being with us. Oh well,

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