WEBVTT - Bears vs. Lions Week 14 Game Preview | Bears, etc. Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Right justin middle of the field forty five to fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>bring Russ in front of all leaving Lions in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Jeff jonihacklits us on Don gud Up card.

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<v Speaker 2>What was like playing for Coach Good? I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to answer any questions like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty one yards what's Sunday stroll for justin Field? Ye Bears,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>With the voices of the Chicago Bears Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>Joniac For the second time in three games, it's Bears Lions,

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<v Speaker 1>this time Sunday at Soldier Field Noon showdown. Not sure

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<v Speaker 1>about the weather because the threat of snow appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be diminishing or changing every day. Who knows, but conditions

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<v Speaker 1>right for a Bears upset. We break it down with

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl winning Bears guard Tom Theaya. I'm Jeff Joningak

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<v Speaker 1>and We're ready for another good old fashioned black and

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<v Speaker 1>blue battle. And that's exactly what I'm looking for on

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<v Speaker 1>this game. Tom. We know the Lions are gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>in with that attitude because that's from their head coach down.

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<v Speaker 1>They're winning. They haven't won like that in sixty one years.

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<v Speaker 1>At ninety three, the Bears at four and eight but

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<v Speaker 1>arrow up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think the Bears showed them an example

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<v Speaker 2>when they are in Detroit from the very first drive

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<v Speaker 2>what they are capable of being. But it's about the

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<v Speaker 2>finish of the game that they have to show them

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<v Speaker 2>who they are. And that's kind of been a point

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<v Speaker 2>of that has been preached about a lot since the

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<v Speaker 2>end of that game, through the Minnesota game now leading

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<v Speaker 2>up to the Detroit game. So if the Bears can

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<v Speaker 2>play this similar version of game that they played in

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit with favorable conditions in terms of playing outdoors and

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<v Speaker 2>support of crowd noise, and they finish it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bears should prove something to themselves and to the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the division coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>We visited White Sox play by play anouncer Len Casper,

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<v Speaker 1>a born and bred Lions Van, for some good hearted

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and discussion about the NFL, MLB, the White Sox,

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<v Speaker 1>and his amazing career as a veteran baseball announcer heard

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<v Speaker 1>on ESPN one thousand. The flagship for the Chicago Bears

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<v Speaker 1>on the Chicago White Sox the Status at House at

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<v Speaker 1>a Tommy Costs for cleats. It's been rolled out several

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<v Speaker 1>years now and it's expanded in the Bears building to

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<v Speaker 1>include one hundred employees and they're all milling around here today.

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<v Speaker 1>They got their Nike sneakers all painted up for their

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<v Speaker 1>personal causes, and so they've really expanded it. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>nice thing. The art is amazing to cause more impactful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, Jeff, I was thinking about you and

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<v Speaker 2>I if we're involved in that, and where would our

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<v Speaker 2>cause for cleats go. Because there's a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>that have crossed our life in my sixty two years

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<v Speaker 2>that I would like to pay personal tribute or personal

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<v Speaker 2>attention to. So when I saw on the Bear's website

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<v Speaker 2>the version of the employees on the inside painting their cleats,

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<v Speaker 2>and even Kevin Warren taken a part of it, I

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<v Speaker 2>think everybody has a concern, has a cause that they

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<v Speaker 2>would like to amplify, to get just just more notification

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine would be for scleroderma, a disease that killed my

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<v Speaker 1>father back when he was just fifty three years of age,

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<v Speaker 1>So that one always rings true. It's an awful disease

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<v Speaker 1>and no cure, but a lot of research being done

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I'm sure you've got a whole bunch, whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch big.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would go orgon donor because important people

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<v Speaker 2>in my life have got organ donorship and that's extended

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<v Speaker 2>their life and it's made him a better life. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was also part of it when we tried to

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<v Speaker 2>create awareness for organ donorship after Walter Payton passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of different avenues you can go,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm happy that the NFL has expanded the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to talk about the different causes.

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<v Speaker 1>And we got to give a tip of the cap

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<v Speaker 1>to Justin Jones. He is the Bears Walter Payton Man

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year nominee among the thirty two that are

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<v Speaker 1>now in the National Football League. It's certainly something very

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<v Speaker 1>close to our good friend Jared Peyton's heart, obviously in

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<v Speaker 1>the Peyton family and they take great pride in it

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<v Speaker 1>every year at the Super Bowl when it's rolled out.

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<v Speaker 1>So Justin, I haven't talked to him much this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I went in the locker room today just to congratulate him.

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<v Speaker 1>And he works with VAM program for inner city youth.

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<v Speaker 1>He lit up, it's important to him. That's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. I didn't find out until yesterday that

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<v Speaker 2>if you're an active player and you win the Peyton

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<v Speaker 2>Man of the Year award, that you wear a patch

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<v Speaker 2>on your jersey that you know that you are a

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<v Speaker 2>Peyton Man and you know, I think, of God, what

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<v Speaker 2>an honor it would be to wear a patch like

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<v Speaker 2>that on your jersey, just because if you qualify for

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to win the award, then you do win

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<v Speaker 2>the award. You're doing some fantastic stuff in your outside

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<v Speaker 2>life of just your playing career.

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<v Speaker 1>Normal week with a noon kickoff on Sunday out of

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<v Speaker 1>bye week, and that mean's justin fields on Wednesdays at

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<v Speaker 1>Halis Haul. A couple of things that really stuck out,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to start with. One is just what we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about in the earlier podcast this week time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is episode forty. That was episode thirty nine. Check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. We talked about what you do with the

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<v Speaker 1>turnovers after you create the turnover, and that's punching the

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<v Speaker 1>ball on the end zone. And the haven't done that

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<v Speaker 1>much with this a recent rash of takeaways. Overall, they're

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<v Speaker 1>about middle of the packing yards after takeaways points after takeaways,

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<v Speaker 1>but they really like to see that elevate and that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the job is when you get the sudden

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<v Speaker 1>change guy like Justin Fields lead the team put him

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<v Speaker 1>in the end zone. Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the mindset is a score.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, the better we play complimentary football, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the better we give our chance, our team a chance

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<v Speaker 3>to win. So you know, of course we want to

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<v Speaker 3>capitalize on those moments when the defense does give us

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<v Speaker 3>a short field or you know, we do have a

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<v Speaker 3>sudden change moment where they get a turnover or something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. But yeah, definitely want to start turning those

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<v Speaker 3>into you know, touchdowns and you know for at least

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<v Speaker 3>you know, three points. So yeah, definitely got to do

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<v Speaker 3>a better job of that.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure. Was there one of those since there were

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<v Speaker 2>a couple in the Detroit game that stand out since

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<v Speaker 2>that was just three weeks ago, now that you know

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<v Speaker 2>really you felt like that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Could have been a big capital I mean, at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, I think, you know, every opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we get, we got to capitalize on it.

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<v Speaker 3>So not really just one in particular, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>every time you know that does happen where we get

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<v Speaker 3>a short field or a sudden change in our mindset

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<v Speaker 3>to go out there and score.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, The key to that you just got to

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of your opportunity short field, get stick it

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<v Speaker 1>in the end zone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Jeff, there's so many titles to segments

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<v Speaker 2>of offenses nowadays. Oh, this is a four minute offense.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a two minute offense, this is an offense

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<v Speaker 2>with tempo. All these different titles you want to put up.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have an offensive game plan. You should have

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<v Speaker 2>a script that is immediately used after a turnover and

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<v Speaker 2>take advantage of your opponent when the defense may not

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<v Speaker 2>expect to go back in the game, if they're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>on the bench and all of a sudden, there you

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<v Speaker 2>got a defense in we got a turnover. So, as

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<v Speaker 2>much as you want to emphasize all these other segments

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<v Speaker 2>of the important role of the offense, I think offensive

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<v Speaker 2>coaches should start having a script that's featured in immedia turnovers.

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<v Speaker 1>Inevitably, this was going to be a topic eventually. Justin

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<v Speaker 1>asked about his future with the Bears, given the team's

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<v Speaker 1>position in the draft, with which could wind up up

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<v Speaker 1>with the number one pick that's his own right now

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<v Speaker 1>by the Carolina Panthers at their record but the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>get it because of the DJ Moore trade, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of talk about what's next. Potentially, if not Justin, he's

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<v Speaker 1>heard it, he's aware of it, he knows it. He

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<v Speaker 1>was also asked if it's a fair to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>these next five games are part of the evaluation of

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<v Speaker 1>your future. This was a great answer. Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 3>Life isn't fair. So you know me personally, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>focused on what I can control, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>rest is in God's hands. And you know, I mean really,

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<v Speaker 3>you just put everything in God's hands. You know it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to turn out good for you. So you know, wherever,

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm here next year, if I'm not, football doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>define who I am as a person. My happiness will

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<v Speaker 3>still be in the same place, will still be in

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<v Speaker 3>God and really just football wise, life stuff in general.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my faith in God is just my hoping.

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<v Speaker 3>God is just so much more than you know, anything

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<v Speaker 3>that can be thrown at me on this earth. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's why I don't I don't really stress

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<v Speaker 3>over stuff, that stuff that I can't control. I know

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<v Speaker 3>that guys got me in and I'm gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm very blessed in the position I am, and

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, I think a million people would love

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<v Speaker 3>to be in the position I am right now. So

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<v Speaker 3>really just you know, not taking that for granted and

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<v Speaker 3>just just taking every each and every moment I have

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<v Speaker 3>every day up here, you know, uh to the Phillies.

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<v Speaker 2>So taking fact from the injury, do you feel any

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<v Speaker 2>personal momentum?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think I have a different mindset

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of that personal momentum. I'm really just trying

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<v Speaker 3>to be consistent. I think that's the biggest thing. You

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<v Speaker 3>can play good one game play back to the other.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think me personally just trying to be consistent

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<v Speaker 3>and trying to be better than I was yesterday. So

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<v Speaker 3>just trying to continually improve, get better as a person

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<v Speaker 3>in the player, and you know, just better myself each

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<v Speaker 3>and every day.

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<v Speaker 4>Take that perspective of some of that's had to have

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<v Speaker 4>broken through to you, hearing about other quarterbacks and all

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of stuff. So was there a point where

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<v Speaker 4>you're just like, all right, I got to take a

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<v Speaker 4>deep breath and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just have some perspective on all that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there wasn't a point. I mean, shoot,

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<v Speaker 3>since I gotten in Chicago. I mean, I don't hold back. Shoot,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I hear from y'all. I hear from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fans and stuff like that, so you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>I don't take any of it personal because I know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everybody's entitles to their opinion on, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>certain things and stuff like that. So that's one thing

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<v Speaker 3>I try not to do is not take anything personal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, just go about it that way. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I've I've had things in my life. I've had moments

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<v Speaker 3>in my life to where I've wanted things to happen

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<v Speaker 3>and it didn't go that way and it ended up

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<v Speaker 3>going another way and it worked out better than I,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, ever could imagine. So that's really why I

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, don't stress about stuff that happens, and

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<v Speaker 3>just controlling what I can control in like I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>just being the best person I can be and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>striving to be the best player I can be.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the right answer. Focus on just you focus

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<v Speaker 1>on what you have to do to lead this team

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<v Speaker 1>to victory in the final five games, and it will

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<v Speaker 1>all play out the way it's supposed to play out.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the question, and I'm sick of it because

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<v Speaker 2>there's not an other player that goes up there at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of their contract and they ask him the

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<v Speaker 2>same question, and whether you're a tackle that's not playing

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<v Speaker 2>well but you're at the end of your contractor whatever

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<v Speaker 2>position you want to pick out, and I'm tired of

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<v Speaker 2>the questions repeatedly be an answered because Justin is not

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<v Speaker 2>in control of that. He goes out there with the

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<v Speaker 2>ten other members of his offense and they play the

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<v Speaker 2>play called regardless of what the scenario is. And to me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if the press wanted to do some justice

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<v Speaker 2>and stop asking that question and start asking questions that

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<v Speaker 2>pertain to the next game, because Justin is not in

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<v Speaker 2>control of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an end of the season, look at things

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<v Speaker 1>for a team that's four and eight, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those things get put in the pile, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm I'm, I'm and I saw him in the hallway.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Justin, I'm gonna tell you what I told coach,

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<v Speaker 1>You're a dangerous team right now. His eyes are open,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this is a very dangerous team with

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<v Speaker 1>Justin being a dangerous quarterback right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, right you know, you know, Jeff to me, I

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<v Speaker 2>would look at one down specifically. So in the last game,

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit was eight of eleven on third down and the

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<v Speaker 2>Bears were five of thirteen. So now you decrease Detroit

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<v Speaker 2>by three conversions on third down and you increase the

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<v Speaker 2>Bears by three on third down, that changes the whole game.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you're talking about three more possessions, three more

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<v Speaker 2>first downs that keep the ball into your hands. They

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<v Speaker 2>contribute to the time of possession. You think forty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>time of possession, and they were only five of thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>on third down. So to me, the biggest picture us

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<v Speaker 2>is how can the defense do better on third down?

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<v Speaker 2>And how can the offense do better on third down?

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<v Speaker 1>Tom I saw an old video the other day of

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<v Speaker 1>a game at the LA Coliseum. It was UCLA against

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State nineteen seventy five ish, and Keith Jackson was

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<v Speaker 1>on the call with his color men at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the softspoken former Oklahoma co which Bud Wilkinson, remember Bud Wilkinson,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, And I was I wasn't watching it, he

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to it. It's just it's I'm working on

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<v Speaker 1>the game and I like listening to these games, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's history. I like history coming back to life, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember all these things. So as a kid

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<v Speaker 1>you watch the football, but now you're seeing it as adult.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different. Anyway, long story boring is this he said

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<v Speaker 1>something and I turned I turned. I turned around because

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<v Speaker 1>Bud Wilkins had said, Keith, this game is about first downs.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what Tom Thayer has said forever. The

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<v Speaker 1>game is about first downs. It's keeping the drive alive.

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<v Speaker 1>First downs lead the touchdowns. You get a touchdown, it

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<v Speaker 1>counts as a first down. I mean, hey, the game

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<v Speaker 1>is about first downs. And that Tyler Scott play in

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and I'm not just saying not picking on

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<v Speaker 1>the kid for not making the catch, but again, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a that's a first down catch in the future when

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<v Speaker 1>he gets that opportunity, and that game is probably over

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<v Speaker 1>and we're looking at a very different situation for the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears potentially here at this record right now with Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>four and eight. But the game's about first downs.

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<v Speaker 2>Right you know, there's only a couple of Tyreek Hills

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<v Speaker 2>in the league. And when you talk about a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that could possibly win the MVP this year with two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand yards where you're receiving and the explosive touchdowns he has.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all good and well. However, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go out there and be a team that competes for

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<v Speaker 2>your division championship, into the playoffs and ultimately a super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a team that wins the amount of first downs

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<v Speaker 2>and teach your offense on the field and fights for

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<v Speaker 2>time of possession and gets in the end zone. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've said it, you know, our whole career,

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<v Speaker 2>did Teith Jackson ever say oh, Nelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Not as used to saying not in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear it, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was one of his trademarks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that was the voice of college football, you know

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<v Speaker 1>when he did He did though, I believe he was

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<v Speaker 1>the first guy that did Monday night football Browns Jets

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<v Speaker 1>game at Old Cleveland Stadium. But you know, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>the football voice. That's all there is to it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>brought to you by PNC Official Bank of the Bears.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's dig into our conversation with our friend Lencasper,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the great announcers in a city of great

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<v Speaker 1>announcers and a history of great announcers, especially in that

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<v Speaker 1>baseball vein. Len Casper, the voice of the Chicago White Sox,

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<v Speaker 1>kind enough to spend some thirty six minutes with Tom

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<v Speaker 1>and I here around the Bears Etc. Podcast. Well on

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<v Speaker 1>December fourth, twenty twenty stunning decision by the veteran TV

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<v Speaker 1>voice of the Cubs to join the White Sox radio

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<v Speaker 1>both working with Darren Jackson. And it's been a fun

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<v Speaker 1>ride all the way through. And we've got the man.

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<v Speaker 1>My good friend Len Casper joined against a long time

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball announcer not just here in Chicago, but

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<v Speaker 1>also in Florida with the Marlins working with the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers pre and postgame show. And Tom he is

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<v Speaker 1>a Detroit area in Native but I guess it shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>really say Detroit area. You're a Detroit fan of sports

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, Len, but you grew up three hours away

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<v Speaker 1>from Detroit in a small town. We brought you on

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<v Speaker 1>for this Detroit preview because I know you've probably been

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<v Speaker 1>a long time waiting for something like a season that

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions are putting on the table. Thanks for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us on the Bears, Etc. Podcast. How you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You got it?

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<v Speaker 5>Jeff tom By listen to you guys every Sunday. You

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<v Speaker 5>do a terrific job. And here's the backstory. So my

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<v Speaker 5>dad was born in nineteen forty seven, on the same

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<v Speaker 5>day Steve Stone was born, exactly the same age. And

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<v Speaker 5>a little history lesson. The Detroit Lions won the NFL

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<v Speaker 5>championship at nineteen fifty seven, and that was a long

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<v Speaker 5>time ago, and since then they have one playoff win

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<v Speaker 5>and that was against Dallas back in the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 5>So my dad has not missed a Lions game in

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<v Speaker 5>some form or fashion since the fifty seven championship. So

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<v Speaker 5>my fandom kind of came from rooting for him to

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<v Speaker 5>have a little fun with it. And it's interesting. After

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<v Speaker 5>the Thanksgiving game in which the Ackers beat up the Lions,

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<v Speaker 5>my dad literally said after the game, I don't think

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<v Speaker 5>they're going to win another game.

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<v Speaker 1>So he pulled the late midninet early nineties did guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what it's like to be a Lions fan these days,

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<v Speaker 5>is you lose a game, to go eight and three

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<v Speaker 5>and you decide that that's it. Season's over.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the passion of the Detroit fans turn around

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<v Speaker 2>in abundance. Is it exciting for you to see? Because listen,

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<v Speaker 2>when I meet people from Wisconsin. I want them to

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<v Speaker 2>be Green Bay fans. When I meet people from Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>I want them to be Detroit fans. So we hold

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<v Speaker 2>no grudges. But how is this run Ben for you

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<v Speaker 2>in watching their build up to where they're at right now?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, for my money, Tom, this is the best Lions

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<v Speaker 5>team I've seen. And again you go back to that

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<v Speaker 5>in ninety one ninety two kind of Erawayne Fonce and

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<v Speaker 5>Barry Sanders, they were a pretty well rounded team. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think offensively in and off defensive league right now,

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<v Speaker 5>this is the best Lions offense I've ever seen. So

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<v Speaker 5>that's fun and exciting. And they play a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>close games. I like their coach. I'm just kind of

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<v Speaker 5>enjoying the ride no matter how it plays out. And

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<v Speaker 5>I know we'll talk about Sunday. I think this is

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<v Speaker 5>a very dangerous game because of the way the Bears

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<v Speaker 5>played in Detroit a couple of weeks ago and then

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<v Speaker 5>the win in Minnesota. Defensively, they seem to be right

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<v Speaker 5>now at their peak. And the one team I think

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<v Speaker 5>we can all agree we'd like to see lose a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit is that team up north. The Packers' schedule

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<v Speaker 5>down the stretch is not particularly difficult, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the Bears could be in a situation the Lions were

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<v Speaker 5>in last year when everyone assumed when Seattle eliminated them

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<v Speaker 5>that they would get steamrolled at lambeau Field, and in

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<v Speaker 5>fact the opposite occurred. When Dan Campbell said, this is

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<v Speaker 5>our super Bowl. I think it's possible, guys, the Bears

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<v Speaker 5>could go into that game to maybe knock the Packers

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<v Speaker 5>out of playoff contention.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, one last remark about that championship run by

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<v Speaker 2>the Detroit Lions back in the late fifties. Our offensive

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<v Speaker 2>line coach Dick Stanfeld was a member of the Detroit

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<v Speaker 2>Lions back then, and we fortunately had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>lessons about that team, about that era, about that type

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<v Speaker 2>of football, either some of the video we watched of

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<v Speaker 2>him or that team. So it's interesting to see these

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<v Speaker 2>guys have their next go around. But you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>you think about the generations that have come and gone

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<v Speaker 2>since the eighty five Super Bowl team and the generations

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<v Speaker 2>that have come and gone since the late fifties championships

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<v Speaker 2>in Detroit, that it was neat for us to get

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a Midwest lesson from a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who had a personal attachment to those teams. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know the other thing that I think of

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<v Speaker 5>the Bears and the Lions rivalry. You go back to

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<v Speaker 5>Briggs Stadium, which became Tiger Stadium, and then Wrigley Field.

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<v Speaker 5>Those were the two home parks right for decades and

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<v Speaker 5>decades bygone era. For sure. I never did see a

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<v Speaker 5>football game at either place, but I wish I could

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<v Speaker 5>go back and do so.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, wouldn't you love to be on a time

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<v Speaker 1>machine for that? Hey, listen, I mean those fifties Lions teams,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've I've listened to some of those games. I've

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<v Speaker 1>gone on YouTube and watched them and listened to them

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<v Speaker 1>and just what kind of passion the fan base had

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<v Speaker 1>during that era. They were it. Sixty two is the

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<v Speaker 1>last sam of the Lions were nine and three. I

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<v Speaker 1>was born in sixty two Lens, so I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was one years old. So I think about that all

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just I you know, I for the NFC North,

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<v Speaker 1>the old Black and Blue Division. I'm not putting Tampa

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<v Speaker 1>in there. They were in a late comer, but I

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<v Speaker 1>really do get up for these games. I love going

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<v Speaker 1>to the respective cities. I've always set told in Tom

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<v Speaker 1>knows and my listeners know, our listeners know that I

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<v Speaker 1>never liked indoor football. I hated going to Ford Field

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<v Speaker 1>when the Lions were a mess. Those suites were dark,

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<v Speaker 1>there was nobody in them, and it was not a

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<v Speaker 1>real fun place to play, a late arriving crowd with

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<v Speaker 1>no juice. And now it's the polar opposite. You always

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<v Speaker 1>love going to Lambeau. You know it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>an angry affair from the booth down to the field

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<v Speaker 1>because Tom's inconsolable most of the time. And then Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>now with a Sparklink Stadium beautiful, and that place is loud,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's a great call there. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>get these twice a year games and it just becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a fabric of your soul a little bit announcing these games, lanth.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I have no doubt. I'm a big hockey fan.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's like an original six matchup for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, White Sox, Twins, Cubs, Cardinals, you know, Yankees,

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<v Speaker 5>Red Sox. You have all that stuff in baseball. But

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<v Speaker 5>I agree, and you know it's weird now though, only

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<v Speaker 5>six division games, so they kind of take on a

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<v Speaker 5>little more importance six out of seventeen. Now one other

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<v Speaker 5>scheduling note, as you guys know, you know, Bears and Packers.

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<v Speaker 5>At the end of the year, the Vikings and the

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<v Speaker 5>Lions played twice in the final three weeks, and if

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<v Speaker 5>it happens that the Vikings were to get in and

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<v Speaker 5>play the Lions, that could be three games essentially in

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<v Speaker 5>four weeks. Tom, have you ever had a year where

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<v Speaker 5>you had maybe three games in four weeks against the

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<v Speaker 5>same opponent. That would be insane?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's more of a midseason type happening. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>now that the NFL has rekind of configured, they're scheduling

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure there's a lot of division games at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the season. It's kind of taken on

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<v Speaker 2>a different flare towards the end of the season, which

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<v Speaker 2>I like, you know, and I like the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of division games because it can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you a lot about the Bear season. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>should have been beaten Detroit at Detroit, so they've beat

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota at Minnesota. If they could beat Detroit at home,

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<v Speaker 2>then go on to beat Green Bay. That's proving a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to the locker room going forward, saying Okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>can go into opponent's divisional stadiums and win games, because

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<v Speaker 2>the only way you're ever going to compete for playoffs

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<v Speaker 2>if you can accomplish that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a great point. And you know, again, I

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<v Speaker 5>know the Lions are favored in this game Sunday. The

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<v Speaker 5>weather could be a huge factor. Detroit has got five

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<v Speaker 5>wins on the road. That's one of those things where

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<v Speaker 5>they're a dome team and you kind of assume, well,

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<v Speaker 5>they'd rather play on the turf in a neutral situation.

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<v Speaker 5>But in a weird way, I feel like they've kind

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<v Speaker 5>of been better in those pressure packed road scenarios with

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<v Speaker 5>wins at Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Green Bay, and then

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<v Speaker 5>you know, hanging on for dear life against the Saints.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Kansas City to open up the season.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was like, you know, opening a can

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<v Speaker 2>of worms for the league because everybody assumed, Okay, Kansas

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<v Speaker 2>City at home, it's a four gone conclusion, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to win. And then Dan Campbell early in the game

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<v Speaker 2>goes for a fake punt on fourth down and then

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<v Speaker 2>they go on to win the game. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of set the ball in motion going Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody better take this Detroit team seriously on the road

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<v Speaker 2>and as well at home.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep, no, good.

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<v Speaker 1>Point well nine to two over the last eleven road

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<v Speaker 1>games dating back to last season when they started a

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<v Speaker 1>surge at the end. We're with Len Casper, the voice

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<v Speaker 1>of the White Sox on ESPN one thousand and the

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<v Speaker 1>White Sox Radio Network with Tom There, Jeff joniak here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bears, et cetera podcast. A treat for us

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on, Len, so appreciate it. I know

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is your downtime, right even though the

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.560
<v Speaker 1>baseball meetings are underway and all that going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>we love talking a little football with you. And it

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<v Speaker 1>even goes back further for Len because he was reimpost

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<v Speaker 1>game of the Green Bay Packers and got to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of Yeah, Tom, Yes, yes, yes, but you

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<v Speaker 1>were on the air when they won a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowls or went to a couple of Super Bowls.

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<v Speaker 5>Happened to be in Milwaukee working on with the flagship

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<v Speaker 5>station there and Jeff and I compared notes back then

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<v Speaker 5>and you were always incredibly helpful, which I'll never forget.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren Brett Farv that

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<v Speaker 5>was it was quite a run they had and it

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<v Speaker 5>was the beginning of that big quarterback run. And the

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<v Speaker 5>other thing too that you know, I mentioned the Packers

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<v Speaker 5>if they get in and play in Detroit. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's kind of the Alabama Michigan scenario, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the reaction of the Wolverine fans when they announced they

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<v Speaker 5>would play Alabama. I think that's the last team the

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<v Speaker 5>Lions want to face right now because of all the

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<v Speaker 5>historical stuff that for whatever reason will pop up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're scarred. We're scarred. I mean, I think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Lant like you said it up perfectly and I and

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<v Speaker 1>I brought it up on this podcast with coach I

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<v Speaker 1>Eberflus on Tuesday. Everybody listen to that one. We appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I said, hey, you guys are a dangerous team

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<v Speaker 1>right now. You can be. And he didn't go for

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<v Speaker 1>the bait. He said, oh, we've got it, we got

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to deal with Detroit. But in the big picture,

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<v Speaker 1>you got five outdoor games. Frankly, they're all winnable. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be easy at all. The backup quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>scenario in Cleveland gives them a little bit of hope,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have the number one defense and a killer

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<v Speaker 1>in Miles Garrett. You've got the Atlanta Falcons, they are

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<v Speaker 1>the division leaders in the NFC South that maybe no

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<v Speaker 1>one will want to win at six and six. Not

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<v Speaker 1>sure what they're all about just yet, but we played

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<v Speaker 1>them a year ago in Georgia. And then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the Detroit the Green Bay and of course Arizona. So

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<v Speaker 1>five outdoor games and I'm just saying, ball up your fists,

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<v Speaker 1>make it ugly. You know you're not gonna win pretty anyway.

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>This team is not that built that way. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to win ugly, and so just be the team

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>that you want to be a physical, nasty team. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you got that Packer game up at Lambeau and

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<v Speaker 1>it just we're all scarred about, oh my gosh, gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go play the Packers even now. And Jordan loves playing well,

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<v Speaker 1>right Len.

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<v Speaker 5>He's playing great, He's playing great. And you know, Tom,

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<v Speaker 5>you mentioned the division games at the end of seasons.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're the Bears right now, first of all, you're

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<v Speaker 5>not out of it, right you run the table and

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<v Speaker 5>see what happens. But I like the fact for them

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<v Speaker 5>that four of their last five games have playoff implications

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 5>for either both or one of the opponents. That never

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<v Speaker 5>hurts right to stack up against a team that might

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<v Speaker 5>play deep into January.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that too. I like the emotional attachment

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<v Speaker 2>and the importance. I think they'll land. It would be different.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Bears have Carolina's draft choice and they have

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<v Speaker 2>their own draft choice. If they only had their own

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<v Speaker 2>draft choice, I think there would be a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people wishing for the Bears to lose so they can

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<v Speaker 2>keep a higher draft choice. So I think that has

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of the narrative to the closing of

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<v Speaker 2>the season that they still want to see the Bears

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<v Speaker 2>do well but Carolina not do so well.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me add to that though. You know, the Lions

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<v Speaker 5>didn't make the playoffs last year, but I think winning

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<v Speaker 5>at the end of the year was more important than

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<v Speaker 5>maybe moving up a couple of slots in the draft.

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<v Speaker 5>Is it possible, Jeff, that the Bears are in a

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<v Speaker 5>similar spot as the line that culture, the winning and

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<v Speaker 5>all that stuff you're trying to establish.

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<v Speaker 1>Issue all we've been talking about about this team's inability

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<v Speaker 1>to close, to finish, to have that mindset of learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to win because a lot of these guys and

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<v Speaker 1>I went through the exercise early in the season. I

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<v Speaker 1>gave up after a while. But there were about four

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<v Speaker 1>or five guys on the roster that ever had a

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<v Speaker 1>winning record in the NFL. So it's not like these

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>guys have experienced a ton of success. So you just

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<v Speaker 1>hope the woe is Me doesn't kick in over a

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, especially with these young guys. But you know,

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Kyler Gordon was micd up last week or before the

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<v Speaker 1>bye week at Minnesota, and Tom and I were doing

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<v Speaker 1>our Bears Game Night Live show and we ran that

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<v Speaker 1>and I was encouraged and kind of excited because his

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<v Speaker 1>genuine enthusiasm and everybody around him was legit. It was there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a good sign with a young team. And

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<v Speaker 1>is it not crazy? It is not this way in

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball with one hundred and sixty two of

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<v Speaker 1>those bad boys. Isn't it nuts? Tom and Lenn that

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<v Speaker 1>one twelve to ten win against Minnesota and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>complexion of the final five games changes because now you

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<v Speaker 1>hit the bye week, you're you're really healthy, healthy as

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you've been all season, and you have a five pack

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<v Speaker 1>of games to try to finish the job. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>if you run the table, you're in the conversation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>nuts how this league works. It really is a week

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 1>to week league. It's not just a cliche. It's nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>We're with Len Casper and Tom Thayer here and the Bears,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera podcast. All right, Marquette grad pr degree that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know, but it certainly helped you pave the

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<v Speaker 1>way to where you thought you wanted to go, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was becoming a Major League baseball play by playing

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<v Speaker 1>man and volunteering your time in Beloit. What was the

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>name the Beloit Snappers? All Right? The path the paths

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>for play by play guys is insane, and yours is

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<v Speaker 1>unique as well as anybody's.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody has their own path. I always wanted to be

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<v Speaker 5>Ernie Harwell when I was a kid. He was a

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<v Speaker 5>long time Tiger's radio voice. And when I went to college,

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<v Speaker 5>I figured I'd get experienced broadcasting out of the classroom,

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 5>but I thought a public relations degree would help its communications.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's on the other side of the business, so

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<v Speaker 5>to speak, from a team perspective. And when I was

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<v Speaker 5>a freshman nineteen eighty nine, I got an internship with

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<v Speaker 5>the Milwaukee Bucks. That was huge for me as an

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 5>eighteen year old. And this is in the late eighties,

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<v Speaker 5>so Jack Sikma is still a Buck.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>Sydney Moncrief was there, Michael was in the prime of

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 5>his career, and I would go get quotes in the

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 5>other team's locker room. So I got to sidle up

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 5>to Magic Johnson and Isaiah Thomas and Larry Bird. What

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 5>an experience for a teenager. And that was immensely helpful

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<v Speaker 5>for me because I made a lot of those broadcasting

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<v Speaker 5>contacts that later would would help me tremendously.

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<v Speaker 2>Heylenn, I have a question for you, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you're California, Ohio, Texas, rarely do you have two

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 2>teams in the same state in football. Seldomly do you

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast for two teams that are only separated by miles.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you still enjoy the Cubs and work for the

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<v Speaker 2>Socks or is your love so one sided that the

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<v Speaker 2>other team is in your rearview mirror.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's a very nuanced question and answer. The Socks

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<v Speaker 5>are my team. When you get in the middle of

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<v Speaker 5>the daily one sixty two grind, you're solely focused on

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 5>what your team is doing. I still have a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of friends with the Cubs, for sure. I'm glad they're

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<v Speaker 5>not in the same division. It's kind of like when

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 5>the Red Wings went over to the Eastern Conference, because

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 5>I like the Blackhawks a lot, but it was really

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<v Speaker 5>tough for me when they were in the same division.

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<v Speaker 5>But now they're kind of in opposite boats. It's a

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 5>little easier to be okay with them doing well. But

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<v Speaker 5>the Socks are my focus, and if the Cubs win,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm happy for them, but it's not priority for me because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm now nine miles to the south, as you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well then, so we got that all cleared up.

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, of people from Wisconsin, be a

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Packer fan Detroit. When you look at the game Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>noon kickoff, you're sitting there getting ready to watch the game,

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<v Speaker 2>your heart has to be and I listen, there's no

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>shame in saying it because you're a Michigan person. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>your heart has got to be with Detroit considering what

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Detroit has suffered through for so long.

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<v Speaker 5>No question. And you know my thing is, obviously I

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 5>hope they make the playoffs, which they should be able

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 5>to do, and the bar is probably a win in

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<v Speaker 5>the postseason, and then you take your chances at that point.

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<v Speaker 5>But again, I hate to do this, and Jeff, you're

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 5>gonna last with what that quarterback up in Green Bay

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 5>is doing. You know, the window is not as open

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.479
<v Speaker 5>for the rest of this division that it maybe appeared

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 5>to be a couple of months ago. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>necessarily of the mindset that all the Lions are going

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<v Speaker 5>to be a ten to thirteen win team here for

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 5>the next five straight years. These things change so fast,

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 5>and it goes back to Jeff's point. When you only

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<v Speaker 5>have seventeen of these style points don't matter. It's all

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 5>about wins and losses. And you know, I just assume

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 5>that when you're on top of the world, that other

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 5>part's coming, and I guess when you're at the bottom,

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:29.600
<v Speaker 5>good times are right around the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, never apologize for one win. It's so difficult one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent of the time. Let's dip in a little

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>bit too. You know, my color man is unbelievable, all right.

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>He has taught me the game. It's like going to

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>grad school every week. Every time I think I learned something,

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I learned something more or I hear another story, because

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>this guy's got zero degree. He's got separation of just

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>about everybody. Was that seven degrees of separation, He's got

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>zero degrees of separate. He's got everybody. So your color

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>man become I'm so part of your life ingrained, and

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>you've had several obviously some great ones, and Bob Branley

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>and Jim Deshay and working with Pat Hughes and Ron

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Komer and growing up as you said, listening to Ernie Harwell,

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>also Paul Carey up there in Detroit, and now Darren

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Jackson and Jason Bennetti now off to Detroit. So you've

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>had a bunch of people to work with. I've had

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>one guy. I've had hub Archisian in the early part

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>of my career of course as well, and now I've

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Jason McKee on the sideline. So how important is it

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<v Speaker 1>and how do you how do you how do you

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<v Speaker 1>how do you all piece it together?

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>With baseball, it's every day. So you know, DJ and

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 5>I do spend time together when we're not at the ballpark,

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 5>but we don't overdo it because I really like a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of our conversations on the air to be the

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 5>first gut answer. Maybe you know, I don't prepare him

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 5>and say, hey, I'm going to ask you about this,

0:33:55.720 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 5>because I'd rather have his unvarnished reaction. DJ's awesome. He's

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 5>a great teammate. Someone said to me the other day,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 5>and the White Sox lost one hundred and one games

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 5>this year.

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>It was a.

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 5>Brutal year on the field, and they said, you guys

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 5>had your best season of the last three and I

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 5>took that as a great compliment, and I would pay

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 5>you guys the same compliment. I've listened to some games

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 5>over the years and it hasn't gone well for the Bears,

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 5>but you guys always make it entertaining and it's our

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.800
<v Speaker 5>job to do that. But it is hard when the

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 5>on field product is not always great. But it kind

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 5>of forces you as a baseball announcer to dig a

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 5>little deeper. And I give DJ all the credit in

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.160
<v Speaker 5>the world for not giving up. When the game is

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 5>ten to one in the seventh inning. We still have

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 5>three innings to cover, even if people have already turned

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 5>off their TV or the radio. And I thought we

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.240
<v Speaker 5>had a really good year, and having a great partner

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 5>is what I think is part and parcel to people

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 5>complimenting you. You know, if you work in a situation

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 5>where you don't have chemistry with your partner, it selfishly

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 5>reflects on you. So you know, you want to be

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 5>a great teammate for a lot of reasons. But even

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 5>if it's about yourself, it makes sense to let your

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 5>partner shine because it just makes the broadcast better as

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 5>a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Lenn, So you know, Jeff and I we have

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to watch a lot of tape because that's the way

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 2>football rolls, and you have to pay attention to your

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 2>opponent as well as you do your team. You have

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 2>to pay pay attention to the segments of positions. So

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.799
<v Speaker 2>what is prep like for a baseball season? Is it

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 2>going to the batting cage? Is you know what? What

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.239
<v Speaker 2>is your description of preparation?

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, in some ways, guys, it's almost the opposite for

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 5>opponents in terms of the White Sox. Yes, I think

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 5>it's our job to be around the batting cage.

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Talk.

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 5>I talk to the manager every day, kind of get

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 5>the big picture stuff, get biographical notes from the players,

0:35:57.960 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 5>and just kind of chat with them about whatever's going

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 5>going on. And you never know what small little piece

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 5>of information that might be really interesting to you that

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 5>might not be interesting to them, but you can bring

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 5>into a broadcast. But in terms of the opponent, you know,

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 5>we have series, so I don't try to overdo it

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 5>with the other team beyond kind of the basic stuff,

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 5>and then over the course of three days, you really

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 5>feel like you get to know a team and a player.

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 5>So I try to have a little bit of a

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 5>blank canvas. The more I've done this, the more I

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 5>realize that if you over prepare, you end up missing

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 5>the stuff that's right in front of you, if that

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 5>makes sense. Whereas football, the preparation versus game time is

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:49.320
<v Speaker 5>what a million to one. Yeah, in baseball it's a

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.720
<v Speaker 5>little more even, and you know every day there's something

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 5>new to talk about and you kind of build on

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 5>that as the season moves along. If that makes sense.

0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, my great respect for every baseball announcer out there.

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't care what level, because the grind is the grind.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>The travel is unique, It wears onya but you do

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>love it. You gotta love it in order to do it,

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and you call it like you love it. And Lynn

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Bramer once said the same thing about me, that calling

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>it like he's loving it. That's how I feel about it,

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.279
<v Speaker 1>and we feel about it as broadcast crew here for

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven years together in twenty three in the booth.

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting because as the deeper I've gotten, and

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Tom has told me to do the same thing. In fact,

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>he made me. He shamed me into reducing my board

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 1>information on the team playing a few weeks ago. And

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:43.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm never too old to take a little

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>bit of advice, and so I took the advice and

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>it's made it an immediate difference because I had too

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>much in there. I don't need it. And like you said,

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>when you lose sight of what's important. I just talked

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>to Kevin Harlan about it at our game in Minnesota,

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, Man, he goes, I've gotten away from

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 1>all the minutia, and it goes people want to know

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>the score at the time of the game and get

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 1>a feel for the moment, and if there's something big

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen, I'm going to have that in

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>my list, which I do too, And I think that's true.

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's true. You can sometimes overprepare, but you

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.800
<v Speaker 1>never know when something you're looking for is going to

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>be pertinent, and so you hope to have it. You

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 1>hope to have it, in hope to have it in

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the holster, so to speak.

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:32.240
<v Speaker 5>Baseball is non linears, so you got to be paying attention.

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 5>There's just a million things that can happen that if

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 5>you don't see, you end up not talking about. And

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 5>I always try to keep my eyes on the field

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 5>as much as I can. I actually have a question

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 5>for you guys, maybe more for Tom than Jeff. Do

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 5>you guys always have the windows open regardless of the

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 5>weather unless it's raining.

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Only at the stadium doesn't allow it to be open.

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple like we when we played in Tottingham

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and London, or we played was it Kansas City.

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 1>Kansas City, Miami. They don't have that, and I hate

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:03.919
<v Speaker 1>every second of it. That window's got to be open.

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. Then it can be. It could be

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>seventy five below zero. Windshield time's going to be bundled up.

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be in a light sweater and I'm

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 1>going to call the damn game.

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. The only time I need the window opened. It

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 5>The only time we ever closed the window we were

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 5>in Kansas City a couple of years ago in August,

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 5>and Kurt Hassler, the White Sox bullpen coach at the time,

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 5>had a thermometer out in front of the mound. It

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 5>was one hundred and thirty six. WHOA, I can deal

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 5>with cold in April, and having worked at Wrigley for

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 5>sixteen years, there was some bone shilling days. But it's

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 5>really hard when it's one hundred and seven and you're

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.360
<v Speaker 5>swimming on your shorts. That's no way to work, you know.

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Last question for me is we've we've had two rain

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 2>delays in our time, and you have multiple rain delays

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 2>during the course of the season. How do you how

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:58.799
<v Speaker 2>do you fight through that time?

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we had a tornado against the Baltimore Ravens. I'll

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>never forget that one. You know, the ex meteorology major

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 1>got to be a weather man for a couple of hours.

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 5>I have two quick stories about weather delays, both on

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 5>the road and I invariably there's a conversation during a

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 5>long rain delay where the broadcasters have this chat how

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.439
<v Speaker 5>many hours of your life have been wasted sitting during

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 5>a rain delay? And I don't even want to contemplate it.

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 5>But final game of the All Star Break two thousand

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 5>and four, I think or three Mets at Marlins and

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 5>Miami played four or five games on Sundays. Due to

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 5>the heat, so this is middle of July. We had

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 5>four rain delays. The game ended at about eleven thirty

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.280
<v Speaker 5>that night, and because the All Stars it all missed

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 5>their flights. Mike Lowell, I believe, and maybe another Marlin

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 5>had to fly on the Mets charter to the All

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 5>Star Games. So that was pretty cool. And then we

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 5>were in Cincinnati when I was with the Cubs about

0:40:57.239 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 5>fifteen years ago, and it was a one o'clock start

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 5>and they kept announcing game will not start on time,

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 5>we will update you in a half hour. Well, the

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.840
<v Speaker 5>game got called at five thirty and never started, and

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 5>it probably had about four hours of no rain. They

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 5>were anticipating the rain. So that's always fun when you're

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 5>at the ballpark from nine in the morning till five

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 5>thirty in the evening and it doesn't rain for about

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 5>half that time and you don't play.

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a challenging sport. And I

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:30.720
<v Speaker 1>had the good fortune to do a half a dozen

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:34.279
<v Speaker 1>games at Wrigley with the help of Len Casper, no

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>question setting me up, and there was a long rain

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>delay before I had to go to I think we

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 1>left the stadium at one thirty in the morning. I

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 1>had to drive to bourbon A to do training camp

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the next morning, but it was about seventy five pitching

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>changes and I'm like, how do these guys do it

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>for one hundred and sixty two plus exhibition season. So

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a unique position, and that's why that's

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 1>why it's such a big deal when baseball announcers get

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the Ford Frick and they go on the Baseball Hall

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 1>of Fame. It is a fabric of our lives. Just

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>sitting here, we're on zoom watching each other. But Tom

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like I'm listening to a ballgame because they

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>have the time to sell stories and here's the pitch,

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 1>but the stories, and that's something that is crafted over

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a lifetime. It's going to continue for the rest of

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.919
<v Speaker 1>your career. The stories that you'll be able to tell

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty years from now, as long as you want to

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>do it. Because baseball announcers last forever are what makes

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>it so great, and we help pass the summertime with

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 1>the voice on the radio. It's different than and that's

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 1>probably what your draw was too, painting the picture for

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 1>radio the story time, right, I love it. It's what

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I love. I love it.

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I love it. And you know we'd be remiss

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 5>before we finish. Guys, we're now teammates, have the same

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 5>flagship in Chicago, ESPN one thousand and welcome to the family.

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 5>As I told you, Jeff, when this all came about,

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 5>great situation, a great group, and really good things are

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 5>right around the corner for the Bears, and you guys

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 5>are in a great spot on the radio.

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate that very much. It's been a wonderful experience

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>with good Karma brands. And hey, we'd like to say

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>the same for the White Sox too. You know, a

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>new stepping stone, a new platform to build from, and

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of in the same boat here because you know,

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>we're still building here. The Bears are still building and

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>when it actually happens and you construct the house and

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:31.280
<v Speaker 1>put the roof on and have multiple championship runs, that

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.479
<v Speaker 1>that's what we're all looking for. And it was Tom

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember, but the New England Green Bay

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 1>back to back games in the Trustman era when we

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>got blown out, I get a phone call from a

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.839
<v Speaker 1>guy named Led Casppar says, Hey, remember what you're doing here.

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 1>You're calling the game because I went into tank after

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 1>we're down forty two nothing at halftime and things aren't good.

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:55.319
<v Speaker 1>But I often retell that story lend because it did

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>recalibrate me. You got to remember what we're doing. We're

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>in the homes, we're in the cars, we're in the radio,

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 1>we're in the phones of people's lives and they're looking

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:06.839
<v Speaker 1>for a little reprief from their lives. And I get it,

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I get it. That is partly our job as well.

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, you want to be a fan, you

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 5>want your team to win. But you know, my thing

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 5>with rules and you know your league has all kinds

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 5>of crazy stuff with replay is you know, yes, the

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 5>former player wink wink can say, oh that was a

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 5>terrible call. I hate that call. But the play by

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 5>play job is to explain why right, even if you

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 5>don't agree with the call, and Baseball has a million

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 5>of them. You know where my partner's saying, you know

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 5>that's not interference. You know he's in Well he wasn't

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 5>in the lane. That's why they call it. So you

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 5>kind of have to play both sides of it a

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 5>little bit. But our job is to tell the listeners

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 5>and the viewers here's why the umpire or the referee

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 5>made this particular call. Then you can go off on

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 5>a math.

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Tom and I get into this all the time sometimes

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>that God, you know, I know you're right, Tomkife, but

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 1>you know there's another side of the story he gets all.

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's interesting because the I'm grateful to have

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>him because the guy played for a decade and he's

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 1>been a part of it ever since in some form

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.239
<v Speaker 1>or fashion. So it is deep in his soul, no

0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>different than Ron Santo was, or different than any X

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.279
<v Speaker 1>player that has lived a lifetime of this town. And

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>so his raw passion comes out. And and Tom, I

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>think you'd agree. We also believe save it for the radio, right.

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>We don't go over a plan ever. And it's funny

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>when we do our TV show, you know, you have

0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>all these other people, directors, producers, and they want to

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>know what your role cues are and all this because

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 1>it matters, and we just kind of chuckle because we

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.319
<v Speaker 1>don't do it that way, like everything's wrong. I don't

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 1>want to know what questions you're asking me.

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I want to react camera.

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 5>We'll figure it out.

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 1>We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Indeed, lastly,

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:48.799
<v Speaker 1>for me, the craft of the call. I know, we

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.399
<v Speaker 1>all have influences from the time we were little kids,

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 1>even before we knew we were going to do this

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>for a living, and so they come around and it.

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I study the old guys, the people that

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 1>came for us, all the way back to the forties

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and fifties, because I get a kick out of it. Right,

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have color commentators, they didn't have a tent there,

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have it. Darren Jackson, did it come natural

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:14.719
<v Speaker 1>your craft of the call of your call? Or do

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you feel that a lot of those influences are what

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 1>you enjoyed, so you're assuming your listeners are all enjoyed the same.

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, Ernie Harwell certainly has influenced me. What I

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 5>liked about Ernie was he was always the same a

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 5>matter of the score. He was very even keeled on

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 5>the air, and he kept it simple, like you say,

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:40.359
<v Speaker 5>where's the ball, what's the score, what's the inning? Where

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 5>the base runners? But he found a way to kind

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 5>of repeat the same information with different verbiage, and a

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 5>lot of his play by play really reads like poetry

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:53.320
<v Speaker 5>to this day. But I try to avoid the big words,

0:46:53.520 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 5>and I want to make it as obviously explicitly playing

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.280
<v Speaker 5>what is happening, because if you try to get too cute,

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.439
<v Speaker 5>people are going to miss what's going on. And that's

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:10.280
<v Speaker 5>the cardinal sin in our broadcasting world is for someone

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 5>to go, what just happened. That's the last thing you

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 5>want to hear as a radio announcer. So I've really

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 5>dug in on the details. And I just like I

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.919
<v Speaker 5>told you earlier, guys, I try to see stuff. And

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 5>I did it on television where we could actually shoot it,

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 5>and I would say, Hey, there's a conversation over here,

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 5>could you get a shot of it. On the radio,

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 5>I might just say DJ, why is the umpire talking

0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:35.919
<v Speaker 5>to Eloy Jimenez right now? And he might go, well,

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 5>he might be asking him this or that, or he

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 5>might say I really don't know, but it's interesting. We'll

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 5>keep an eye on it. So those are the things

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 5>that they only happen on the radio if you say

0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:47.280
<v Speaker 5>they happen, And it's our job to see the stuff

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 5>that other people don't see, and I can ask a

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 5>guy who was down on the field in those moments

0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 5>to get his feedback on it, and that, to me

0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 5>is the greatest part of his job.

0:47:58.239 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Tom, can I give you a question, because I

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>know you always ask everybody now analytics, like you know,

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 1>for baseball, it's it's it's a part of the fabric

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of it, all right, and we we are getting exposed

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to it. Tom's got a grin on his face right now,

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.319
<v Speaker 1>So ask him how he uses it or if he

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>believes in it.

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 4>I know.

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I think analytics are much more usable in baseball than

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 2>they are in football because there's a certain, you know,

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>process to the game of baseball that analytics can come

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 2>into play, whereas in football, I think it's more of

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>a reactionary sport and it's unpredictable, and it's there's eleven

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 2>guys trying to accomplish one goal and within the structure

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of a play called in the huddle. I just think

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:49.960
<v Speaker 2>there's different than a batter picture. You know, how often

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the pitcher throws this type of pitch and what is

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 2>a batter susceptible to throughout the course of his career.

0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>So I think analytics are relatable.

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 5>In baseball, it's much more quantifiable than other sports. For sure.

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.439
<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of like Kevin Harlan and I do way

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 5>less than I used to. And the quick short story

0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 5>example is, for instance, there's a defensive analytic. It's a

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 5>team defense number. It's called defensive efficiency. It's number of

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 5>balls in play that turned it out. So it's a

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 5>bit of a math thing. The bottom line is you

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 5>just look at where a team ranks and you go,

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 5>they've been really good defensively. That's all you have to say.

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 5>You don't have to talk about what the analytic is.

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 5>Just compare a couple of different numbers and you go,

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 5>this team has been really good on defense. And I

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 5>think that's all people really want to know right at

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 5>the end of the day. And I think for football

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 5>it's the same thing. How many points do you give up?

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 5>How many points do you do you score? And you know,

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 5>that's really all people want to know.

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's so much to it. It's interesting. Everybody has

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.319
<v Speaker 1>a different flavor for it. But you're right, when we're

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 1>on radio, if somebody turns away to yell at their

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>kid in the back seat of the car, they miss something.

0:49:57.760 --> 0:49:59.600
<v Speaker 1>So you got to constant leave you.

0:49:59.560 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Ready to go.

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, this has been fun. We could talk for

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.120
<v Speaker 1>another half hour and forty minutes. We promised fifteen to twenty.

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.680
<v Speaker 1>We're hitting at thirty six. So we appreciate giving us

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 1>all your time. And enjoy your call every week, every

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>day in the baseball season. I should say, so, enjoy

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.719
<v Speaker 1>these final weeks of your off season because it'll fly

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:18.360
<v Speaker 1>by fast.

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:21.480
<v Speaker 5>Guys. I will be listening to you on Sunday. I'll

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 5>be traveling on Sunday, so I will not be in

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 5>front of a television, but even if I were, I

0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 5>would sync it up.

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.640
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's the only way to roll, right, Big.

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Tom, awesome man, Thank you very much.

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Len Casper, the outstanding voice of your Chicago White Sox

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.399
<v Speaker 1>on ESPN one thousand. All right, So, what we didn't

0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:41.279
<v Speaker 1>get into Tom is his hometown Mount Pleasant, Michigan. But

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>then he grew up in nearby Shepherd, a rural town

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 1>about fifteen hundred people. So Len was small town USA,

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:51.320
<v Speaker 1>loving sports like you did. I love the journey because

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 1>we all have a good one. We have a good

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 1>story to tell. But he dabbled in just about everything

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to get to where he was and I know I

0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:00.760
<v Speaker 1>read an article about a guy that he met along

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 1>his journey coming from Marquette that said, you needed to

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 1>do like five hundred games of minor league baseball to

0:51:08.239 --> 0:51:10.640
<v Speaker 1>be seasoned enough to be even considered for a major

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.480
<v Speaker 1>league baseball job. And he never reached that number. But

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.440
<v Speaker 1>he did what we some of us have done, and

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that's you take the tape of corder and you go

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 1>and practice, or you do things for free, and you

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 1>invest in yourself. You pay yourself with that equity of experience,

0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.560
<v Speaker 1>even if it's not actually on the air, actually doing

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a game. And I respect the way he's done gone

0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 1>about his career.

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, whether it's you or Len Casper, whomever

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:38.359
<v Speaker 2>you meet along the way, and you talk about these

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 2>guys that come from a small town, the first thing

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 2>that pops into my mind is a transistor radio, absolutely,

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 2>because I still have a transistor radio that's powered by

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 2>batteries that my mom and dad and I. I you's sit

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:54.160
<v Speaker 2>in the living room or sit in the backyard and

0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:57.920
<v Speaker 2>listen to sporting events. And when I think about you

0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:01.360
<v Speaker 2>guys grown up, that's what it was back in the

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 2>day when all you guys were kids. It was transistor

0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 2>radios that introduced you to play by play whatever sport

0:52:08.120 --> 0:52:09.719
<v Speaker 2>you listened to, And so.

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Duck it under my pillow at night and listen it

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:13.799
<v Speaker 1>through the pillow strow. I wouldn't get in trouble for

0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:16.760
<v Speaker 1>having being up late because they had the transistor listening

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.240
<v Speaker 1>to a game. So yeah, well it was awesome.

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Earlier in the show, you had a story about Keith

0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Jackson and listening to it, So I just want to

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.440
<v Speaker 2>tell you a quick story. So my freshman year of

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 2>the first game I got to travel, I ran into

0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 2>the locker room at Notre Dame because they put up

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the traveling squad, and I was so happy that I

0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 2>made the traveling squad because we were playing Michigan at

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Michigan and so I walk out early and I come

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:43.960
<v Speaker 2>out and I'm snapping practice punts and I'm out in

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the field early and Jeff, I look over there there's

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Keith Jackson, and I go, oh, my god, Keith Jackson.

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 2>And then I look up in the sky and it's

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:58.359
<v Speaker 2>the Goodyear blim and I just remembering the impact of

0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:02.720
<v Speaker 2>those two instances is in my football life. Of seeing

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Keith Jackson in person for the first time, of my life,

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and then seeing the blimp above and we went on

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the last play of the game, Bob Crable blocked the

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 2>field go by Ali Haji Sheik and we won the game. So,

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 2>whether you're listening to Keith Jackson in a rebroadcast of

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:28.560
<v Speaker 2>the past or whatever your first experiences in seeing him

0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 2>in person, you know you kind of don't forget those

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.840
<v Speaker 2>landmarks of your sports life.

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Never asked you this, but you know you have always

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:41.760
<v Speaker 1>said football or nothing as a career. Clearly you loved sports.

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 1>If you didn't make it in football, or you got

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>injured and you couldn't play, what would have sports broadcasting

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>be something you would have gone into.

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I had never thought of. I was not going to

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:56.560
<v Speaker 2>not make it. I just I had no second option,

0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 2>and I never even you know it's people always talk

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 2>about what happens if you would have got hurt. I

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 2>never thought about getting hurt because it never entered my mind.

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.879
<v Speaker 2>My only was to get better in this game, get

0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 2>back into the weight room and get better next week,

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and never have a second option. My second option was

0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get a diploma out in college, and

0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:26.840
<v Speaker 2>that was what I wanted a lot. But I wanted

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.000
<v Speaker 2>to make I was I was going to make it

0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 2>in the professional football.

0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, you certainly didn't mess around sees get degrees, but

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you got one from Notre Dame, and then you went

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and played for the charter franchise of the National Football League,

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>of which now you continue to be their broadcaster for

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.439
<v Speaker 1>some thirty years. I mean, come on, right, you didn't

0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you didn't go You didn't. You didn't go small? You

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 1>want you thought big? You're one stubborn son of a gun,

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:50.640
<v Speaker 1>aren't you.

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Oh yeah, I had to be. I'm the youngest

0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 2>of my family, you know.

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank God for them, Thank God for them to

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.920
<v Speaker 1>help you all right. Injury report today at Hallisaw. We

0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:02.800
<v Speaker 1>know what was going to be light coming out of

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the bye week. They felt very good about it. Busy

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Heart Celtser, the official Heart Seltzer of the Chicago Bears.

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Larry Borum back from his illness, Deyonta foreman Tom back

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.320
<v Speaker 1>from his ankle injury, and he was starting to really

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 1>get some things going. He was feeling it. He's a

0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:21.000
<v Speaker 1>guy you need to give the ball to and get

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>lathered up over the course of a game and for

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 1>that matter of season. So I hope his return means

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that they will share that backfield and spread out and

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 1>give it to the hot hand, whoever the hot hand is,

0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 1>and that could be Deontay Forman of what I believe

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 1>is going to be a very physical game against Detroit.

0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's I think he brings a real physical approach

0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:43.919
<v Speaker 2>to the point of attack running game, and I think

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.320
<v Speaker 2>he's committed to it. He does a really nice job

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:50.319
<v Speaker 2>and I think with the backs they have, it's going

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.720
<v Speaker 2>to be a difficult choice and who gets the most.

0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:56.759
<v Speaker 2>But I also think going forward, Roshawn Johnson is a

0:55:56.760 --> 0:56:00.719
<v Speaker 2>guy that's delivered and he deserves more snaps, whether it's

0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 2>catching balls out of the backfield, pass protector for blitz

0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:06.320
<v Speaker 2>pick up, or a ball carrier.

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna I'm not going to forget about Killo

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Herbert too, because Khalil Hibbert is a game he can

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 1>he can rip off some big gains for you, and

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 1>he's a patient runner and can catch the ball out

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>of the backfield. Tyreek Stevenson good to go full go

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.799
<v Speaker 1>with that ankle. Noah Sewell limited with his knee. I'd

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 1>love to see him play against his brother Pine. It

0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:27.560
<v Speaker 1>would be kind of a cool story.

0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I agree, But the thing about him, you don't want

0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:37.320
<v Speaker 2>to have, you know, competitive family getting to the way

0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of making sure your knee is one hundred percent, because

0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:45.959
<v Speaker 2>I think Knowle's got a long, healthy career in front

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.239
<v Speaker 2>of him. So be healthy, get healthy, and then get

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 2>on the field.

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 1>For the Detroit Lions, the biggest injury is a significant one.

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's going to keep him out

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 1>or not. Frank Ragnos first half of the game last

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:02.920
<v Speaker 1>week left, it says here, knee back in tow He

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.600
<v Speaker 1>left what he appeared to be bent back in that

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>game against the Saints on that astroturfa or whatever they're

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:14.680
<v Speaker 1>calling it there in New Orleans. But he's important they've

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 1>had so if he doesn't play, that's nine different combinations

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>of starters, much like the Bears this year. They've weathered it,

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.280
<v Speaker 1>of course, winning nine games. But Frank Ragnow is legit.

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 1>He is an outstanding center and that would be to

0:57:28.200 --> 0:57:32.800
<v Speaker 1>me a step no, no disrespect to Gary Glasgow, uh,

0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:36.040
<v Speaker 1>but this is uh, this is a very good player.

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know rag Now, you know he's got

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 2>a reputation not only in our division but around the league.

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 2>He's instrumental in the success of that offensive line, and

0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 2>he's he's been there through the building process of this

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 2>offense and this offensive line. So yeah, you know, I

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:56.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's one of those three injuries that you

0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 2>describe are the most significant. But if you have a

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 2>bad and you can't push equally to your right or

0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to your left, that can really affect your performance.

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>You've always said it. I knew you were going to

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:11.880
<v Speaker 1>say it when I put toe on there. I knew

0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>you were going to weigh in at it.

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 2>And Walter Payton missed whim in his entire career because

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 2>of a toe injury that kept.

0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Him out and he didn't want to miss. He didn't

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 1>want to miss right Aurora of Native Graham Glasgow filled

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 1>in last week. He could be the guy. Alex AZELONEI

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:29.840
<v Speaker 1>had a hand injury, he had to leave the game

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.040
<v Speaker 1>or didn't play in the game rather against New Orleans.

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.200
<v Speaker 1>He is a full go as well, and he had

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:37.720
<v Speaker 1>fifteen tackles against the Bears. You can't miss him with

0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the long, flowing blonde locks. He's a very good player

0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and a key member of a defense that is kind

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of under a siege right now. Tommy as was pointed

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 1>out in the media sessions up at Hallis Hall on

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday from Stacy Dale's rom NFL Network. The lines have

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<v Speaker 1>given up the second most points in the NFL since

0:58:56.240 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Week seven. That's a significant for the Lions. They lost

0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Alee McNeil, their best interior defensive lineman. He has five

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<v Speaker 1>secs and he's a terror in there, so that doesn't

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>help them. They're trying to create a pass rush outside

0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:17.440
<v Speaker 1>of Hutch. What do you see as vulnerable for the

0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Bears to attend.

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<v Speaker 2>Something I would do. I would look at Angeloni and

0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:23.880
<v Speaker 2>see if he's got his hands significantly taped or wrapped

0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:28.000
<v Speaker 2>in any way that will interfere with him fighting off blocks,

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 2>and then I try to have offensive formations that I

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 2>put him on the same side as Irvin. Here's a

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 2>thirty six year old defensive end that just came aboard

0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 2>who to me, I think he should be suspended for

0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:42.680
<v Speaker 2>what he did to Car in the New Orleans game,

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:45.280
<v Speaker 2>but we'll talk about that at the later podcast. He

0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:47.800
<v Speaker 2>did have a second get yeah, But if I could

0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.120
<v Speaker 2>get those two guys on the same side, and I

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:53.720
<v Speaker 2>knew one linebacker didn't have one is able to fight

0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 2>equally with both hands and I had a guy that

0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I knows not in one hundred percent game shape, I

0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:01.320
<v Speaker 2>would get him on the same side with the formation

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<v Speaker 2>and I would attack them repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a level with me because we've had a

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<v Speaker 1>much so many different players have come through, even in

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<v Speaker 1>the last few years. All Right, if we had a

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<v Speaker 1>game a quiz about guys that have been on the

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<v Speaker 1>team or not, I wonder how we do because there

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<v Speaker 1>are certain guys I do not remember being on the team,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, you look, but Bruce Irvin, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>scared completely forgot about it. I'm doing is his chart,

1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking, why does it keep saying bears? This

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<v Speaker 1>has got to be a misprint. I do not have

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<v Speaker 1>any recollection in twenty twenty one of him being a bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you better go to the health food store and

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<v Speaker 2>get some of those mind enhancing drugs that you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I would you know it would be one of these,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm often accused of also being stubborn and thinking

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<v Speaker 1>I know what I think I know. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>would have challenged me, I would have said, no way,

1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:57.280
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't on the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was just twenty twenty one, and I heard

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<v Speaker 2>he was a really nice guy in the locker room,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's nothing against him. But when you see the

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<v Speaker 2>type of hits that they review and try to kick

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<v Speaker 2>players out nowadays in the NFL or in college football.

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<v Speaker 2>For what he did to car last week and he

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<v Speaker 2>came back with a back injury, a neck injury, and

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<v Speaker 2>a rib injury because he purposely drove him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>into the ground. That should be reviewed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So you can't replicate the game plan per se,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just do like a carbon copy, or can you?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean I would. I would take that first

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<v Speaker 2>script of plays and say, okay, we went down and

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<v Speaker 2>we drove down the field in a hostile environment. How

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<v Speaker 2>can we make that script better? Because you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to ignite the get off of the offensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're going to be able to be in control

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<v Speaker 2>of the snapcount. You have put justin Field's in a

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<v Speaker 2>position of success and confidence. And I think that if

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<v Speaker 2>you've had success in the plays that were successful, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you can use them again. You can have a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of different window dressing. You can have receivers

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<v Speaker 2>in different positions or maybe you know, a half back

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<v Speaker 2>in place of a fullback or a tight end in

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<v Speaker 2>place of a fullback, however you want to use them.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you know, and that's what Ditk always used

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<v Speaker 2>to say, is we're going to run this play until

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<v Speaker 2>they stop us. And I think you have to have

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<v Speaker 2>that same mentality as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin pointed it out, and yeah, of course this is

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<v Speaker 1>the case. Detroit will have a little something different that

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't seen on tape or you know, un scouted

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<v Speaker 1>looks or whatever. What is it they possibly could do

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent what has been happening to them by Justin's legs.

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<v Speaker 1>He has run for almost four hundred yards against him

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<v Speaker 1>in the last three games.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they could have exterior defensive back and outside

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<v Speaker 2>linebacker rushers. They could have more contained and more contained upfield.

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<v Speaker 2>They could try to have a rush that tries to

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<v Speaker 2>keep Justin in the pocket. They could take Hutchinson and

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<v Speaker 2>move them to the inside and have them rush against

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<v Speaker 2>the guard with a little bit of more immediacy of

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<v Speaker 2>a tall guy pressure. They could run a couple more

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<v Speaker 2>line stunts against them. So you know, there's a variety

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<v Speaker 2>things that they could do to try to control Justin.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they get away from what they've been doing successfully.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you know, it's a little late in the season

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<v Speaker 2>to try to be someone you haven't been.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't have that other rusher right now to

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<v Speaker 1>pair with Hutchinson, and I believe those corners they can

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<v Speaker 1>be tested, especially with speed on the edges, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'd continue to focus and let Justin do his thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a wonderful opportunity for the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>to beat a really good team. Do it at home,

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<v Speaker 1>get the crowd engaged early, don't let them off the hook,

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<v Speaker 1>and just play a bloody knuckle game. I know this

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<v Speaker 1>was like, this is how I mean, I'm acting like

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<v Speaker 1>the tough guy, right. Yeah, I just come on that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, relentless, you know, as Jim Kriner, the former

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<v Speaker 1>head coach at Ioway stayed, alwa, Jeff, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>play with reckless abandon. I'd like to see that, and

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<v Speaker 1>they do play. The Bears do play like that, especially defensively.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want that whole thing adopted from special teams

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<v Speaker 1>on over.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the guy that got Lucas Patrick?

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<v Speaker 1>It is one of the aqoras.

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<v Speaker 2>How yes, I would have I would I would go

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<v Speaker 2>after him and I would say make sure you keep

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<v Speaker 2>your head on a squibble because some way, shape or form,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get crack back on you. We are

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<v Speaker 2>going to trap you, We're going to have a guy

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<v Speaker 2>pull and hit and cut you at the line of scrimmage.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to make sure that you know we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to forget about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me tell you I did talk to Lucas

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick that following Wednesday, and he kind of flashed the

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<v Speaker 1>damage done and it was significant in terms of a way.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to laugh. I mean that was as

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<v Speaker 1>dark and nasty of a bruise and it wasn't little.

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<v Speaker 1>It was He left the game with what they call

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<v Speaker 1>the bat. It wasn't a back. It maybe affected how

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<v Speaker 1>he walked and how he could play. But this bruise

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<v Speaker 1>was lower back, all the way down the left side.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the left side of the right

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<v Speaker 1>side of his cheek down through the thigh. It was nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, whoa, it was nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I would I would just you know, put

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<v Speaker 2>him on notice that you better keep your head on

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<v Speaker 2>a swibble because somebody is gonna come at you in

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<v Speaker 2>an awkward direction. And you know, well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel differently if CJ. Gardner Johnson was in the game

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<v Speaker 1>because that guy would be chirping all day and he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be trying to draw the Bears into trouble. That guy,

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<v Speaker 1>they miss him. He's a tone guy on defense.

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<v Speaker 2>They signed him for that specific purpose that he's a

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<v Speaker 2>good player, and he's a little bit of a chirp.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>He got hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we've seen it. You know, there's evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>it playing against the Bears when he took a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of uh, well you know, late punches.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, off the sidelines. Yeah, who did it again? Javon

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<v Speaker 1>Whims Yep. That's still the most unbelievable thing I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in an NFL game, come off the sidelines to purposely

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<v Speaker 1>colcocka guy, tap him on the shoulder, and punch him

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<v Speaker 1>in the face.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this modern day NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. All Right, a

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Browning Jake brown put on a show on Monday

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<v Speaker 1>night for the Cincinnati Bengals in for the injured Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow three point fifty four a touchdown and a touchdown run.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the AFC Player of the Week tom and the

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<v Speaker 1>tenth player ever ever with three hundred and fifty plus

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<v Speaker 1>yards and eighty five percent plus completion percentage in an

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<v Speaker 1>NFL game. I mean, the backup quarterbacks that have come

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<v Speaker 1>in have really made headlines this year all across the league.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're going to see Tommy DeVito is going

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<v Speaker 1>to remain the starter in New York with the Giants.

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<v Speaker 1>You saw what Tyson Bagent did here the Joshua Dobbs

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<v Speaker 1>run with the Vikings. He is back as a starter

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<v Speaker 1>again for this week's game. I mean, we can go

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<v Speaker 1>on and on crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The most impressive thing about Browning is in

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<v Speaker 2>the first quarter he had negative point ninety yards passing

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<v Speaker 2>per attempt, and then in the second quarter it was

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<v Speaker 2>over ten yards per attempt. So they went to that

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<v Speaker 2>lateral screen game because they were a little worried about

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<v Speaker 2>threatening downfield with him, and then when that didn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>they said, okay, we got to start going downfield and

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<v Speaker 2>then he blew up. So he had that amount of

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<v Speaker 2>yardage in three quarters. If they would have given him

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<v Speaker 2>that first quarter to actually throw downfield, the record would

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<v Speaker 2>be even a bigger number.

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<v Speaker 1>One time, I saw something too, you touch something here,

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<v Speaker 1>touched upon something about the screen game because everybody was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, apparently unhappy the way the screen game was

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<v Speaker 1>implemented against Minnesota to try and mute that pass rush,

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<v Speaker 1>and people didn't like it. It wasn't fun to watch. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't effective, whatever, the Bears won the game. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Rock Perdy and the forty nine ers are the number

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<v Speaker 1>one screen team in the NFL and production. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the screen can kill you. Let's be honest, it can

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<v Speaker 1>kill you. So don't go away from it. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to do what every play, but don't go away

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<v Speaker 1>from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's really valuable on the road because

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<v Speaker 2>if there's an offensive lineman that gets off of eighth

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<v Speaker 2>of a second late and you can get the ball

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<v Speaker 2>out of the quarterback's hands without suffering a sack. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have to look at the reasons behind it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you have to look at the type of guys

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<v Speaker 2>you're throwing to. To me, DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney and

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<v Speaker 2>Cole for that matter, are some of the more creative

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<v Speaker 2>guys with the ball in their hands. DJ is a

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<v Speaker 2>tough tackle, Cole is a tough guy, and Darnell is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the more creative guys with the ball in

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<v Speaker 2>his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Tevin Jenkins against the Lions in pass Pro re Revisit

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine pass blocking snaps, no sacks, no pressures. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's really good right now and just stay healthy and

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<v Speaker 1>good things are going to continue to happen to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Nate Davis has also been very good. So the two

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<v Speaker 1>guards can you can you do more damage against Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>with those two guards, say than maybe running on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know that's a staff that they've come up

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<v Speaker 2>with and now they talk about it. But as an

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<v Speaker 2>off linemen, you don't have the luxury of giving up

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<v Speaker 2>a sack per game. So Tevin, that's what I expect

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<v Speaker 2>out of him, not only against Detroit, I expect them

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<v Speaker 2>that out of him weekly. So if you go through

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<v Speaker 2>a season and you think that you have the right

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<v Speaker 2>to give up six seventeen sacks goal, I only gave

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<v Speaker 2>up one stack game. You're not playing for me. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you talk about what Tevin and Nate are doing,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's why they're here and that's what we expect

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<v Speaker 2>from them. So yeah, I'm I. You know, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that Tevin should be playing equally as well as he

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<v Speaker 2>did in that game and each week. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>Nate should be playing better because he missed a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of time in the middle of the season, miss

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<v Speaker 2>training camp, and I think he's a good player.

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<v Speaker 1>Good news, Chicago United Airlines is getting brand new planes

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<v Speaker 1>with all the bells and whistles, like Bluetooth connectivity screens

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<v Speaker 1>at every seat and room for everyone's rollerbag. United Proud

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<v Speaker 1>to fly the Chicago Bears and you too, Jeff Time

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bears, etc. Podcast CJ. Stroud leaving the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>in passing yards. He's the top vote getter at the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback position for the upcoming Pro Bowl, which I know

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<v Speaker 1>how you feel about it, and I feel the same

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<v Speaker 1>way as you do. But this one caught my eye

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a reason why I'm saying this, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want your perspective as an offensive lineman. So he is

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<v Speaker 1>second in the NFL in passing yards and touchdowns on

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<v Speaker 1>first and second down play action. Okay, but the Texans

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<v Speaker 1>are twenty ninth in the league in success rate on

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<v Speaker 1>first and second down runs. I can't remember what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that three yards or more on the run. It's

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. So what basically they're doing. They have

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<v Speaker 1>to do something they're not good at setting up what

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<v Speaker 1>they do best. Why is it still effective If it's

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<v Speaker 1>not been productive and he is feasting on that play

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<v Speaker 1>action pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's a more aggressive, easier block for the offensive line.

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<v Speaker 2>If your offensive line, which seems evident by the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>you're telling me, aren't a good run blocking offensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>then you don't do well with the run game. However,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can go out there and keep your helmets

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<v Speaker 2>low and give the deception that you're running the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can be super aggressive at the line of

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<v Speaker 2>scrimmage and be deceiving to what the defense thinks they're seeing,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have a quarterback that can turn that

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<v Speaker 2>into a completion, then you're playing right into the hands

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<v Speaker 2>of an offensive line that you want to make them

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<v Speaker 2>better rather than try to beat your head into the

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<v Speaker 2>wall and do something that they don't do very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Repeatedly, find it very interesting. This sport is something else.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not so simple. This sport is not simple.

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<v Speaker 2>I love play action means and if you want your

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<v Speaker 2>offensive line you talk about screens and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want, if you want your offensive line to

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<v Speaker 2>be one hundred percent aggressive, but they don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>sustain it block for a long time, then run play

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<v Speaker 2>action passing and that's going to help your offensive line

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<v Speaker 2>develop in your offense to be more explosive.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, lastly, before we go, and we want to

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<v Speaker 1>it to be really, really, really good these last five weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying they haven't been, but need better net

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<v Speaker 1>average on punts it's still the lowest in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>The return game is really not giving a lot by

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<v Speaker 1>choice sometimes, but you're not enhancing field positions so far

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<v Speaker 1>with the return game. And I don't know if Vayalas

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<v Speaker 1>Jones will be up in active, but if he is,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's seven yards deep, bring it out. I just want,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want something to happen, a busted tackle that

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<v Speaker 1>leads to a forty yard return. Something on special teams

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<v Speaker 1>and error free special teams in the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Five games is that the weather deteriorates. The special teams

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<v Speaker 2>never become more of a bigger point of emphasis than

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<v Speaker 2>they do during the beginning of the season. Hot weather

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<v Speaker 2>kickers kick them out of the end zone. Hot weather

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<v Speaker 2>punters have a softer ball, they get a higher hang time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now when you get to these cold weather games, it

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<v Speaker 2>affects the flight of the football. Kickers don't kick it

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<v Speaker 2>as far. You get more returns. Punters don't punt it

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<v Speaker 2>as far because of the temperature of the football. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to have an opportunity to either stop returners

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<v Speaker 2>or return the ball yourself. And they will play a

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<v Speaker 2>significant role in each one of the outcomes of these games.

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<v Speaker 2>Extra point and field goal protection or kicking I don't

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<v Speaker 2>care about because it's usually close enough to the goal

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<v Speaker 2>line that you do it. But if there's a deciding

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<v Speaker 2>factor kick that's maybe fifty one yards or back, then

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<v Speaker 2>it is into the mind of the kickers if they

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<v Speaker 2>can make it to depending upon the direction of the wind,

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<v Speaker 2>the footing, or the type of climate you're playing in

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<v Speaker 2>at that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, Cairo Santos, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Cairo. Cairo's outstanding, right, he's having a Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl season six for six fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>When you bring in a kicker, an indoor kicker from Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>Are you bringing a kicker indoor kicker from Arizona or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Detroit, those types, those types of player are kickers.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not used to these conditions and they don't like

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<v Speaker 2>banging that football, you know, frozen football off their foot

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<v Speaker 2>when they don't have to all year round.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Tom, that's going to wrap us up. So

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