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Wilson and 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Frying. We are coming up on the anniversary 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: of one of the worst train wrecks in United States history, 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: if not the worst train wreck in US history. Sometimes 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: you will see it listed as the worst train wreck ever. 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: That is wrong, That is definitely not true. It really 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: pales in comparison to some of the world's deadliest recks. So, 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: for example, in nineteen seventeen, there was a train carrying 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: French soldiers that derailed in France and then caught fire 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: and more than six hundred people died. Trains are a 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: lot safer now than they were a hundred years ago, 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: but we still will have train incidents with huge fatality 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: numbers a lot of times. There are things that happened 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: during natural disasters. So a train in Sri Lanka was 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: hit by the two thousand four Indian Ocean tsunami and 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: that killed more than a thousand people. So by comparison, 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the Great train Wreck of nineteen eighteen was a lot 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: smaller than any of that. More than a hundred people died, 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: that was a lot for the time. Uh. And even 36 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: though it's usually noted as the worst train wreck in 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: American history, it was also kind of a run of 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: the mill accident. So the death toll was large, but 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: the circumstances that led to the accident were typical. So 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: we're going to start out today with a look at 41 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: why the railroad industry was so dangerous at that time 42 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: before we get into the actual wreck. So, as Tracy 43 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: just indicated, in the early days of the railroad industry 44 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: in the United States, trains were extremely dangerous. There were 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: no standards for reporting injuries and deaths, so the numbers 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: about exactly how dangerous are a little bit scattered, but 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: in general, hundreds of people died and thousands were injured 48 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: in connection to the railroad every single year between eighteen 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: eighty two and eighteen ninety two. The year with the 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: fewest deaths was eight five, during which three hundred seven 51 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: people were killed. Was the worst. Eight hundred six deaths 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: happened that year, and passengers and workers alike died in 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: things like collisions, derailments, bridge collapses, and boiler explosions. It 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: was particularly dangerous for the workers, with one of the 55 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: most common sources of injury being the process of coupling 56 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: and decoupling train cars. The cars were connected using these 57 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: link and pin couplers, and you had to physically get 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: in between two train cars to connect them or deconnect 59 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: them from each other. Forty four percent of on the 60 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: job injuries for rail railroad workers during this time happened 61 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: during coupling and decoupling cars. The industry was so dangerous 62 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: that manufacturers of wheelchairs, crutches, and prosthetic limbs advertised specifically 63 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: to railroad workers, and railway surgeon became its own profession, 64 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: with its own professional organizations and its own medical journals. 65 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: Railway surgeons were usually general practitioners who also performed surgeries 66 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: and amputations, and as the industry grew, they provided both 67 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: routine and emergency care to railway workers as well as 68 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: to passengers who became ill or were injured. So at 69 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: first the railroad started employing doctors because the crews that 70 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: were building new railroad lines were way out in remote, 71 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: inaccessible territory, so the railroad needed to have its own 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: medical staff on hand, rather than expecting there to be 73 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: a doctor anywhere nearby to come help in an emergency. 74 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: But over time this blossomed into an entire medical system, 75 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: sometimes funded by the railroads and sometimes funded by the 76 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: railroads employees. By the time of the Great Train Wreck 77 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighteen, nearly every railroad in the United States 78 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: had its own medical organization, and while routine care was 79 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: part of the job, they were also approaching it as 80 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: though they were going to be tree eating injuries among 81 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: both workers and passengers, and that these injuries are basically inevitable. Unsurprisingly, 82 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: in the face of such dramatic and obvious dangers to 83 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: both passengers and workers, there were huge calls for safety legislation. 84 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: As a general rule, the railroad companies opposed this legislation, 85 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: while the emerging railroad labor unions supported it. So the 86 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: railroad companies were in many cases paying for medical staff 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: to treat injuries while opposing the legislation to require safety 88 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: measures that would have helped prevent them. It took a 89 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: long time to pass the laws that people were asking for. 90 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: Public demand for some kind of safety legislation started as 91 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: early as eighteen seventy, but the first major piece of 92 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: legislation came more than twenty years later with the Safety 93 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: Appliance Act of that was passed over the ongoing objections 94 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: of the railroad companies. This Act required better powered braking systems, 95 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: so before the brakes were very rudimentary they were manual. 96 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: You basically had to have a brakeman on each car, 97 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: applying these brakes manually to get the train to stop. 98 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: So this was requiring powered brakes, and they had to 99 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: be installed on enough of the train cars for the 100 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: engineer to stop the train from the engine without having 101 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: to have individual brakeman controlling a lot of manual brakes 102 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: on each car. The Safety Appliance Act of eighteen nine 103 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: three also required automatic couplers that could be operated without 104 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: a worker having to get physically in between two train 105 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: cars to do it. The Safety Appliance Act of eighteen 106 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: ninety three went into effect in nineteen hundred, and it 107 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: was amended in nineteen o three to clarify various issues 108 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: that arose once railroads were attempting to comply with it. 109 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: Another act in nineteen ten added more safety requirements and 110 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: empowered the Interstate Commerce Commission to establish standards for safety systems. 111 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: A nineteen o seven laws sent maximums on working hours 112 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: for railroad employees on the grounds that exhausted workers were 113 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: more likely to make fatal mistakes. So these laws and 114 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: the safety standards that they required definitely made the railroads 115 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: a lot safer on the job. Injuries for railroad workers 116 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: dropped precipitously, even as the number of workers in the 117 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: industry was growing. Passenger deaths dropped as well. These improved 118 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: breaking systems meant that when trains collided, they usually did 119 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: so at slower speeds than they did before, so the 120 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: rex were not as deadly, but the trains still collided. 121 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: The number of train wrecks per year continued to increase 122 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: after all these laws were passed, in part because of 123 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: an increasing number of trains on the rails. The number 124 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: of annual rex peaked in seven, with thirty nine recks 125 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: in the United States that year alone. It was about 126 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: that time that professional publications in the industry started talking 127 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: about some kind of automatic signaling and train control systems 128 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: which could help prevent collisions rather than just slowing down 129 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the trains before they ultimately hit each other. Those are 130 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: some systems already existed, but they weren't mandatory until after 131 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: the wreck that we're talking about today. The call for 132 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: it came before the wreck. Congress directed the Interstate Commerce 133 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: Commission to start investigating block signaling systems and automatic train 134 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: control systems in n seven, and that investigation was the 135 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: first step in requiring these types of systems. In a 136 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: block signaling system, train tracks are divided up into sections 137 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: called blocks, and the signals let the engineer know whether 138 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: the block ahead is clearer or not. Before the development 139 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: of automatic block signaling, keeping these signals up to date 140 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: could be really imprecise, as in a worker with a 141 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: stopwatch would clock the train when it passed and then 142 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: mark the block is clear when it should have been clear. 143 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: But once the train was out of a worker's line 144 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: of sight, that was all guesswork, with no way to 145 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: really know if the train had to stop for some reason. 146 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: The telegraph helped with this because train orders could be 147 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: sent up and down the line rather than basically by 148 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: estimating and hoping that everything was going as planned, but 149 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: this was still prone to all kinds of problems. Sometimes 150 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: there wasn't even an employee with a stop watch. There 151 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: was just a timetable of when the blacks are supposed 152 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: to be clear, and you would just sort of hope 153 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: that everything was on schedule that day. Automatic train control 154 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: systems are just what they sound like, their systems that 155 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: can automatically adjust the speed of the train, although at 156 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: the time sometimes they were used in a broader sense 157 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: to mean all kinds of different automatic safety systems, including signaling. 158 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: Although the i c C was investigating these systems in 159 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: nineteen o seven, formal orders to install them didn't begin 160 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: until the nineteen twenties and thirties, and these systems almost 161 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: certainly would have prevented the Great train Wreck of nineteen eighteen, 162 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: which we were going to get into after we first 163 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: paused for a sponsor break. The Great train Wreck of 164 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen was a head on collision between two trains 165 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: from the Nashville, Chattanooga and St. Louis Railway, also known 166 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: as the n C and St L for the Dixie Line. 167 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: The two trains involved were the Number one Express from 168 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Memphis and the Number four from Nashville. The collision happened 169 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: about five miles or eight kilometers away from the main 170 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: Nashville train station, between Harding and a round house that 171 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: was known as Shops. The Number one Express from Memphis 172 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: was being pulled by locomotive number two eighty one. Behind 173 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: the locomotive was a baggage car, followed by five wooden 174 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: passenger coaches. Following those were two pullman sleepers, one made 175 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: completely of steel and the other with a steel undercarriage. 176 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: And ends on the Number four. From Nashville, there was 177 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: locomotive to eighty two, followed by a combination baggage and 178 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: mail car, and then another baggage car and six coaches. 179 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: All of the Number four's cars were wooden. Both trains 180 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: were segregated, and the front passenger cars were the gym 181 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: crow cars. This was the worst place to be on 182 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: the train. It was the closest to the engine, which 183 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: had its own dangers from the boiler to the likelihood 184 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: of an accident. It was the smokiest place on the 185 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: train because of smoke from the engine. So that is 186 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: how the lay out of the train was. On the 187 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Number one from Memphis, a lot of the black passengers aboard. 188 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: We're going to work at a new depot munitions plant 189 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: in Old Hickory, which is part of Metro Nashville today. 190 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: The Number one had left Memphis around midnight on July nine. 191 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: Normally it arrived in Nashville at about seven ten in 192 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: the morning, and the Number four normally left Nashville at 193 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: seven am. Under normal circumstances, the two trains passed by 194 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: each other in opposite directions on a stretch of double 195 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: track between Nashville and shops. This was about two and 196 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: a half miles that's roughly four kilometers a a from 197 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: the station at Nashville. Any time that there was a delay, 198 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: the number four would wait at shops until the number 199 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: one train had passed. The railroad had a set of 200 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: standard procedures about which train on the tracks had the 201 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: right of way, and when it came to approaching Nashville 202 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: from the west, the inbound trains had priority. On this 203 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: particular morning, though both trains were running late. The Number 204 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: one from Memphis was about half an hour behind schedule 205 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and the Number four, headed out of Nashville was about 206 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: seven minutes late. Before it left Nashville, the number four 207 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: received an order to meet the number seven running under 208 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Engine to fifteen at Harding. The order also noted that 209 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: the number one train was being pulled by Engine to 210 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: eighty one, and this was all to help the crew 211 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: aboard the number four correctly identify the number one. So 212 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: after getting these orders, the conductor on the number four 213 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: had a conversation with the engineer about it, and he said, 214 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: the number one must be some late this morning, but 215 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't believe the mail is going to delay us, 216 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: so he will have to change that meeting point to 217 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: Vaughan's Gap. Bonds Gap was the next stop west after Hardings. 218 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: It was basically saying, we're gonna have to meet that 219 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: number seven at a different point. According to the conductor 220 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: who survived this wreck and was interviewed later, he and 221 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: the engineer, David C. Kennedy had a conversation that left 222 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: him under the impression that they would be delayed on 223 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: that stretch of double track for a while as they 224 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: waited for the number one to pass them. But when 225 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: the number four got to that stretch of double tracks 226 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: by Shops, a different train was headed in the other direction. 227 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: It was a switch engine, or an engine that was 228 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: used to move cars from one place to another for 229 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: logistical reasons, rather than hauling passengers or cargo. Switch engines 230 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: at the time were usually smaller than the ones that 231 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: hauled passenger and freight trains. When the switch engine passed 232 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: by the number four, the conductor was collecting passengers tickets. 233 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: He heard this other train and he assumed what he 234 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: was hearing was the number one, but he did personally 235 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: go look and check which train. It was. A switch 236 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: engine passed by Shops at about seven fifteen in the morning, 237 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: at which point the number four continued onto that single 238 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: track and started picking up speed, and that's when people 239 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: in the operating tower at Shops realized that something was wrong. 240 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: The tower operator had been on duty for less than 241 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: ten minutes that day, and no one had mentioned to 242 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: him that the number one was behind schedule and hadn't 243 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: arrived yet when he got there. He only realized it 244 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: after the number four had already passed the tower, and 245 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: then he noticed that the number one wasn't listed on 246 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: his train sheet. The operator contacted the dispatcher and told 247 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: him that the number four train had moved on to 248 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: the signal the single track, but that he didn't think 249 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: the number one had arrived yet. The dispatcher told him 250 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: to try to stop that train, so the crew at 251 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: Shops dropped the signal to stop and they started sounding 252 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: the emergency whistle to try to get the attention of 253 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: somebody on the Number four. This didn't take long. The 254 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: number four was only about a train length away from 255 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: the tower, but its crew either did not hear the 256 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: whistle or didn't heat it, and the train continued to 257 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: pick up speed. At this point, both trains were approaching 258 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: a stretch of track called Dutchman's curve. It's a sharp 259 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: curve in the track which is also on a grade, 260 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: and an overhead highway bridge and a stretch of forest 261 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: also blocked the view of the other side of the curve, 262 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: so even though the weather was clear, it was impossible 263 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: for the cruise on either of the two trains to 264 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: see each other until it was too late for them 265 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: to stop or even really slow down. The two trains 266 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: collided head on at seven twenty in the morning. Both 267 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: trains were traveling at an estimated speed of fifty miles 268 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: or eighty kilometers per hour. The conductor on the Number 269 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: four said he felt the air brakes being applied on 270 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: his train before the collision, but the conductor on the 271 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: number one said he did not. The engineers and stokers 272 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: of both trains were killed instantly, so we have no 273 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: detail about what was happening in either locomotive in the 274 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: moments before the impact. These two locomotives propelled each other 275 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: upward in an inverted v before they fell down into 276 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: the corn fields on either side of the track, with 277 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: the Number one's locomotive falling on the west side and 278 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: the Number four is falling on the east. Both locomotives 279 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: were virtually demolished, with their frames and their machinery being 280 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: stripped completely free of the boilers and destroyed. Here's how 281 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: the i c C Report described the Number one Trains 282 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: cars after the wreck quote the baggage car was completely demolished. 283 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: The first coach lay crosswise the track, the combination car 284 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: of train number four being driven into its side near 285 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: the center and its rear end torn completely out to 286 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: a depth of twelve or fifteen feet. The second coach 287 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: was derailed and its forward end went down the bank 288 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: and rested on the front end of the boiler of 289 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: locomotive to eighty one, and its rear end rested on 290 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: the roadbed on top of the frame and are parts 291 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: of Locomotive to eighty one, its forward end being badly 292 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: broken and damaged. The third coach remained on the roadbed 293 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: with its forward end jammed against the rear of the 294 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: second coach. The rear trucks of this car and the 295 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: four following cars were not derailed. And here's how the 296 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: report described the Number four's cars. The forward half of 297 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: the combination car was demolished by coming in contact with 298 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: the first coach of train number one. The baggage car 299 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: was completely telescoped with the first coach to its rear, 300 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: both cars remaining upright, but we're practically destroyed as shown 301 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: by figure four. The end of the second coach was 302 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: demolished for a distance of six or eight feet and 303 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: partially telescoped with the rear end of the coach ahead 304 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: of it. The three rear cars of train number four 305 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: were not derailed and only slightly damaged. According to news 306 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: reports at the time, one people were killed and fifty 307 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: seven were injured. The death toll cited to Day comes 308 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: from the i c C Report, which was one hundred 309 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: and one killed and one hundred seventy one injured, but 310 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: it's likely that some of the injured died after their 311 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: injuries after that report was completed. It's not totally clear 312 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: how this broke down between employees and passengers. The i 313 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: c C Report lists both the injuries and the deaths 314 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: as eight seven passengers and fourteen employees. As we mentioned earlier, 315 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: the cars in the front of both trains were the 316 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: gym crow cars, so most of the passengers and the 317 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: cars that were completely crushed during the wreck were black 318 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: Between eight and of all the people killed in this 319 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: wreck were black. And we're going to talk about the 320 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: aftermath of this wreck after we first paused for a 321 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: little sponsor break. Conditions at the scene of the train 322 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: wreck were gruesome. Even though one car did catch fire, 323 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: the first people who arrived on the scene to assist 324 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: were able to put that fire out, but the front 325 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: cars on both trains had been crushed completely in the wreck, 326 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of the bodies were too damaged to 327 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: be identified. And the cars were so gory that butchers 328 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: were asked to come from Nashville to help assist with 329 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: the cleanup effort, under the idea that they were used 330 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: to that much gore. Black and white doctors and nurses 331 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: came from Nashville to render aid. The National Chapter of 332 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: the Red Cross was on scene as well, and several 333 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: prominent women from the National area came with typewriters so 334 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: that survivors could dictate letters home to let their families 335 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: know that they were safe. The impact was also audible 336 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: for several miles, and in addition to the rescue workers 337 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: and other people who came to the scene to help, 338 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people just came to gawk. There are 339 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: reports of between forty thousand and fifty thousand people coming 340 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: to the scene, but since there were only about a 341 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand people living in all of Nashville 342 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: at this time, that seems like maybe a little bit 343 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: of a stretch. There was also a children's home not 344 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: far from the scene of the wreck, and it's not 345 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: clear whether the children saw the wreck itself, but they 346 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: definitely saw its aftermath. Also, while there were definitely souvenir 347 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: hunters who took pieces of this wreck away, people's valuables 348 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: and luggage appear to have been left alone. Wrecking crews 349 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: arrived shortly after the accident to remove the wreckage and 350 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: clear the tracks so that train service could resume. Injured 351 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: people of both races were taken to City Hospital and 352 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt Hospital, while the dead were transported to black and 353 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: white mortuaries in Nashville. The Black mortuaries in particular, were 354 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: overwhelmed by this huge volume of bodies that was brought in. 355 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: The Interstate Commerce Commission started an investigation almost immediately after 356 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: the wreck. The i c C had been established in 357 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty seven to act as an independent regulatory body, 358 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: and it had been empowered to investigate train accidents in 359 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: nineteen ten. By today's standards, this investigation was really rudimentary. 360 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: They interviewed several people who worked for the railroad, and 361 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: they produced a seven page report with about five pages 362 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: of pictures that was dated August six, nineteen eighteen, a 363 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: little more than a month after the wreck happened. The 364 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: i c C conclusion was that the accident was caused 365 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: by the number four train being on the track at 366 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: Dutchman's Curve when it wasn't supposed to be. The number 367 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: one train had precedence and the number four was supposed 368 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: to wait at shops until the number one had passed, 369 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: but since engineer Kennedy was killed instantly, it's really unclear 370 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: why they didn't wait. This is especially true since multiple 371 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: people who were interviewed by the i c C said 372 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: that they knew this engineer to be a careful man 373 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: who adhered strictly to the rules. This definitely was not 374 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: a case of inexperience. The primary crews of both trains 375 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: had years of experience, and the only person on either 376 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: crew who was new to the job was the flagman 377 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: on the number four train. It also wasn't a case 378 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: of fatigue, or at least not fatigue caused by overly 379 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: long shifts. The number four trains who had been on 380 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: duty for less than an hour when this wreck took place. 381 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: So there's some speculation about what happened. That maybe engineer 382 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: Kennedy mistook that switch train for the number one, maybe 383 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: he just overlooked a signal somewhere, or maybe he thought 384 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: that because the number one was running so late, he 385 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: could make it all the way to Harding before the 386 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: number one did That last one seems kind of unlikely, 387 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: given that multiple people said that he was a man 388 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: who drove the train by the rules, because the rule 389 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: was to wait for the number one at shops, not 390 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: to try to beat it to a completely different stop. Yeah, 391 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: that seems like it would be a wild departure from 392 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: his normal behavior. One of the problems that the i 393 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: SEC did find was this the rules on precedence were clear, 394 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: and the rule was that the number four trains should 395 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: have waited for the number one at Shops, but there 396 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: wasn't really a good way of passing information related to 397 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: the train status. Although the operators in the tower at 398 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: Shops had a train list, there was not a formal 399 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: registry of the trains coming and goings. Instead, the crews 400 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: were in the habit of just asking the operator whether 401 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: the other trains had come in or not. The operator's 402 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: duties included running the tracks, which is to control which 403 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: train was on which track, so as a general rule, 404 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: the operator would probably have a sense of which trains 405 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: had come in and which ones had not, but that 406 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: was also not his actual job. It was the dispatcher's 407 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: job to know specifically which train had come and which hadn't. 408 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: So the i SEC recommended implementing a procedure in which 409 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: the trains would only proceed if they had confirmed with 410 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: the dispatcher that the train that had precedents had already arrived, 411 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: or that the train would only proceed if it had 412 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: an official order to do so, and the i c 413 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: C also recommended the sort of block system that we 414 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: talked about at the top of the show. In the 415 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: words of the report quote, with this volume of traffic, 416 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: and in view of the universally recognized features of increased 417 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: safety afforded by the block system, there can be no 418 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: valid excuse for the failure or neglect on the part 419 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: of the railroad company to utilize existing facilities for the 420 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: purpose of operating a block system on that line. The 421 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: I s C Report also noted that there would have 422 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: been much less loss of life if all the cars 423 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: on the trains had been steel instead of wood, and 424 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: recommended that the passenger trains phase out their wooden cars, 425 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: and that ultimately did happen. This wreck was very briefly 426 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: national news, but because this was also in the middle 427 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: of World War One, it was quickly overshadowed by wartime news, 428 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: and the fact that so many of the victims were 429 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: black meant that after the initial reporting, it just didn't 430 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: get as much attention in the white press. Today, there's 431 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: a historical marker near the side of the crash, which 432 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: was placed in two thousand and eight for the ninetie anniversary, 433 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: and it's also the subject of several ballads and songs. 434 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: I did not realize how colossally dangerous trains were in 435 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: their earth. I mean, there's the obvious amount of danger, 436 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: but I didn't realize it went quite to that extent 437 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: until I looked at all those numbers. Do you also 438 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: have some listener mail that maybe involved less loss of life? 439 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't, actually, Uh, it is about our episode about 440 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: Hurricane San Serriaco. Um, so it's there's also loss of 441 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: life and listener mail today, not specifically, but uh, this 442 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: is from rosadel and she says that she's a librarian 443 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico, which was great. We got several emails 444 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: so far from people from Puerto Rico talking about their experiences. 445 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: So Rosedale says, I've been listening to your stuff you 446 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: miss in history class for years, and it was a 447 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: huge surprise when I saw you worked on an episode 448 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: about Hurricane San Serriaco. You mentioned several times that there 449 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: were a lot of parallels between San Sorriaco in and 450 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: Maria in, but I was not expecting them to be 451 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: so eerily so Miller, I lived through Maria. It was 452 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: one of the most horrifying experiences of my life. There 453 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: was a shock to listen that way. Too many things 454 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: I lived through last year and certainly still currently live 455 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: were repeats from in our history classes. We weren't taught 456 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: on what happened after the US invasion and how precarious 457 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: the situation was before San Syriaco struck Puerto Rico, much 458 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: like what happened with Maria. Just to mention a few parallels. Currently, 459 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: we are dealing with a massive financial crisis that has 460 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: led into buildings not receiving their usual upkeep, a decline 461 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: in our economy, and brutal austerity measures. The slowness in 462 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: the federal government's response, and the racial assumptions to try 463 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: to help beliefs as possible happened in Maria as well. 464 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Migration to other areas of the United States also happened, 465 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: except that Maria's aftermath resulted in a mass migration to 466 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: states such as Florida, Texas, and the northeast of the 467 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: United States. I felt that I lived almost every single 468 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: point discussed in the episode, but with Hurricane Maria at 469 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: the end of the episode, I was in ray that 470 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: essentially the story repeated itself almost a hundred and nineteen 471 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: years later, and we had truly miss it in history class. 472 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: On another note, thank you so much for discussing the 473 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: political events in Puerto Rico in the decade of the 474 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: eighteen nineties, something else we missed in our classes. The 475 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: background on the island was very complicated, and it's one 476 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: that has not understood well up to the state particularly. 477 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: I was delighted when you use the word invasion to 478 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: describe the events of mar when, as some folks say 479 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: around here, quote the Americans came to the island. Not 480 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people around here like that word, but 481 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: that essentially was what happened. Fun fact, July is now 482 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: a date to commemorate the establishment of the Puerto Rico 483 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: Commonwealth on July two, and there are few mentions on 484 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: what happened in except maybe in small circles and also 485 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: on social media. So the email goes on to say, 486 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: like I mentioned before, I felt enraged by the end 487 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: of the episode, but it truly has become one of 488 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: my favorite episodes ever. I hope this episode raises awareness 489 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: on Puerto Rico's history and complicated background and opens the 490 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: door to deeper discussions about the island's past, present, and future. 491 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: I truly appreciate all of your work on the podcast 492 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: and keep up the amazing job, Grassies. Tons of love 493 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 1: from Puerto Rico. Thank you so much for this email. 494 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: I had a lot of those parallels in the original 495 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: episode outline, and it was becoming this like many many, many, 496 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 1: many minutes long digression, and so I ultimately remove them 497 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: from that line, and I was very glad to get 498 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: them in the email so I could read them now. 499 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for sending that along, and 500 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: for listening to the show, and to the other folks 501 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: who have written to us from from Puerto Rico, because 502 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: there have been several If you would like to write 503 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: to us, we're a history podcasts at how Stuffworks dot com, 504 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: and we're also all over social media missed in History. 505 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: That is our Facebook and our Twitter, and our Pinterest 506 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: and our Instagram. 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