Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh oh is it the right stuff? The first time?
Speaker 2: Then I met you? Yep, I'm not the singer. I've
Speaker 2: got the lyrics.
Speaker 1: So I have a funny story about nw kits on
Speaker 1: the Block.
Speaker 2: When I was.
Speaker 1: Probably I want to say ten okay, Todd Erworth called,
Speaker 1: who was my brother's best friend.
Speaker 2: Was like, I don't know who Todd is got it.
Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to.
Speaker 1: But I was watching my VHS tape of nw kits
Speaker 1: on the Block and got stuck with the Jordan when
Speaker 1: he had the black hat thing, and I remember I
Speaker 1: never I was like, hey Todd, yep, let me get
Speaker 1: my brother. One second, I put the phone down and
Speaker 1: then I see Jordan on the screen. Totally forgot to
Speaker 1: connect my brother and Todd. And to this day I
Speaker 1: still remember that. Isn't that sad?
Speaker 2: Did Todd listen to you sing your heart out? I
Speaker 2: don't know? Thank god it wasn't FaceTime back.
Speaker 1: But I'm like the things we remember, like what i'd
Speaker 1: give to remember half my some of my childhood.
Speaker 2: I've forgotten a lot, well did, but I'd like to forget. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's different than forgetting it, remember, yeah, exactly. I always
Speaker 2: thought I would marry Joey because we both had asthma
Speaker 2: and we were both capricorns. How did you know I
Speaker 2: get asthma because one of the concerts I went to
Speaker 2: had an asthma attack and he had to go off stage.
Speaker 2: And I was devastated, like my soulmate, weeping on my chair,
Speaker 2: devastated that he might not make it. I don't know
Speaker 2: you would add asthma still do really rods in the back.
Speaker 2: Asthma seventh grade was a real trip. What do you
Speaker 2: take for it? Albuterol as needed?
Speaker 1: I've never seen you take albuterol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I've been a lot better since I've
Speaker 2: gotten older, or just I think healthier, probably, but I
Speaker 2: still carry it with me. Do your kids at asthma?
Speaker 2: Not that I know of. No, we were afraid Legie did.
Speaker 2: But m oh, that's right. I do remember that I
Speaker 2: was a respiratory kid. But I think we're on track.
Speaker 1: So so I bring up new kids because we have
Speaker 1: kind of a well, she's married to a new kid.
Speaker 2: She did what we all dreamt to do. She sought out,
Speaker 2: she actually achieved the goal.
Speaker 1: We've got Jenny McCarthy. Wahlberg coming on, which I think
Speaker 1: is kind of cool too, because she's I wonder if
Speaker 1: she's tight with all what's his face? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg, marky Mark. Right, she would have to be
Speaker 1: have to well you never.
Speaker 2: Know what look like. That'd be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's going to be on and then she's, uh,
Speaker 1: do you watch the MASD singer.
Speaker 2: I've watched an episode. It's tricky for me. What's tricky
Speaker 2: in fact, the mascots are singing. That's hard for me.
Speaker 1: I think I remember hearing the concept going this is
Speaker 1: ridiculous because it just seemed crazy, and then I've watched
Speaker 1: a few episodes and it's still in my mind so silly.
Speaker 1: But also for some reason, I can't look away when
Speaker 1: it's on.
Speaker 2: Would you ever do it? I don't think they'd ever
Speaker 2: asked me, but I would do it. Yeah, I need
Speaker 2: to be on sete if that happens.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't they put they make you these it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously very secretive. But my thing is
Speaker 1: is like, when they're doing the guessing, that's what I
Speaker 1: want to ask her to. I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just some.
Speaker 2: People have such like obvious voices, right, that's what's crazy
Speaker 2: to me. And there's so many people that have been
Speaker 2: on that show. Yeah, and then they also don't they
Speaker 2: do themes too? Huh yeah, okay, but she is also
Speaker 2: a mass singer. Come on, no, I mean, who would
Speaker 2: you dress up as a buy butterfly? Butterfly? I don't know, Actually, no,
Speaker 2: what would you do? I think that would be a bird?
Speaker 2: A bird, a song bird. That's pretty Yeah, it has
Speaker 2: to have something a little more different though. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be like a Paris rod coming
Speaker 2: out of here rod.
Speaker 3: I've got.
Speaker 2: A bird with a beret. Oh what would you do? WWJD.
Speaker 2: It's a different I don't know, maybe like a baby
Speaker 2: cream where I got to tell you, I didn't see
Speaker 2: that one coming. Maybe. I don't know what I thought.
Speaker 2: It felt like there was about forty five seconds between
Speaker 2: the start of the book and the end of that word.
Speaker 2: I guessed about seven things, and a baby wasn't one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen like a giant
Speaker 1: baby warning I want.
Speaker 2: Well, now I want you to do it like a
Speaker 2: baby sumo baby. Yeah, okay, feels like a really big office.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we got a fun Oh
Speaker 2: that's incredible. Well they've never asked me because I can't sing,
Speaker 2: all right. Well, so let's take a break and then
Speaker 2: i'll take my breat off. Jenny On, you can get serious.
Speaker 2: Oh you you're everything I knew you'd be. It's just
Speaker 2: one thing I know about you is you're just always
Speaker 2: going to be hot. I mean, it's what we've been
Speaker 2: counting on.
Speaker 4: You guys are so sweet. Thank you so much. I'm
Speaker 4: more flammable than anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, we see they all are. We see the
Speaker 1: fire in the back too, so don't don't.
Speaker 2: Get too close to it.
Speaker 3: Also fake is that a TV? And my name?
Speaker 2: Listen and my lashes and listens my lips all going on?
Speaker 2: It's right there Has there ever been a baby as
Speaker 2: a mess singer? Like I mean, like Jess as a
Speaker 2: baby totally? And the baby was one of my favorite characters.
Speaker 2: But if you asked me for a million dollars, who
Speaker 2: was the baby?
Speaker 4: I cannot remember. There's been so many celebrities I can't remember.
Speaker 4: But it was the cutest costume I think we ever had,
Speaker 4: was the baby?
Speaker 1: Well, so we're just asking like, who would you be
Speaker 1: if you were the mess singer? And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: had a different thing. So I was on a butterfly
Speaker 1: or you know something, and then I was just I
Speaker 1: said a baby, and then she just started laughing. But
Speaker 1: I just think a baby costume would be so cute.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It was so cute.
Speaker 4: But we've had some like amazing ones, like the monster
Speaker 4: one we had was really cute. The snail was cute,
Speaker 4: which was Kermit the frog inside of a snail costume.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, so we just got word that Larry the
Speaker 2: cable guy was the baby. Does that see macurret?
Speaker 3: That seems right, That's right.
Speaker 2: That's way too much for that's like talk about cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 2: That doesn't. That's really hard for me. That's two set
Speaker 2: off very large words. So I'm not really oh about me.
Speaker 2: That's my one smart word of the day, Jenny. Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: so does the sometimes does the costume sway how you
Speaker 2: feel about the singing? Because like a baby, like you
Speaker 2: can't hate the baby?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what I think when I see a
Speaker 3: super expensive costume, because you can tell us somewhere a
Speaker 3: little bit more pricey. I was like, Oh, this must
Speaker 3: be an a lister, This must.
Speaker 4: Be someone that's going to be here around because they
Speaker 4: spend so much money in this costume.
Speaker 3: And then I'm I'm like, not that everyone's not an
Speaker 3: A lister, but you know what I mean, a singer.
Speaker 4: Let me just put a really fabulous singer, I would
Speaker 4: think in the most expensive costume. No, so they'll trick
Speaker 4: you to thinking like, oh, this one's going to be
Speaker 4: here a while and it's not.
Speaker 2: So I guess I figured that there's like some wardrobe warehouse,
Speaker 2: like a costume warehouse, and they all get to go
Speaker 2: pick one, but they get to like, DII why this,
Speaker 2: Like is it Amazon?
Speaker 4: They look, they get to It depends on when the
Speaker 4: celebrities sign in sign up for the show, so sometimes
Speaker 4: we get people that's like two days before. So the
Speaker 4: costume designers are pulling together whatever they can, but for
Speaker 4: the most part they do have and the celebrities come
Speaker 4: in and consult. They're like, what do you want to be? Well,
Speaker 4: I want to be a butterfly, and this is how
Speaker 4: I think it should be. So you can have a
Speaker 4: lot of the way you wanted to see it to
Speaker 4: be or look unless you run out of time, then
Speaker 4: you're scoreising.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So for my Google search, it started in with South Korea. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So because when I first saw the show in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is or when I heard the concept
Speaker 1: because I have a one of my friends produced the show,
Speaker 1: and so she's telling this to me and I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, val like this sounds insane, right, like this
Speaker 1: is like are we seriously going to watch this? And
Speaker 1: I was just telling Kristen when I do catch it's
Speaker 1: so hard for me not to watch because it just
Speaker 1: sucks you in.
Speaker 2: It's like the craziest idea. But what for you is
Speaker 2: like when you heard about the show, and then what
Speaker 2: has kept you there that long?
Speaker 4: Well, when I first heard about the show, I was like,
Speaker 4: this sounds weird and crazy and that match is who
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: So my agent was like he passed.
Speaker 4: On it a couple times, and I'm like, why are
Speaker 4: you passing? Like they want me to do it. I
Speaker 4: think I can rock this show and it's so up
Speaker 4: my alley, Like I took so many mushrooms and acid
Speaker 4: in college. I'm like, it's just gonna be like another
Speaker 4: mushroom acid trip. And sometimes it honestly feels like that.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, damn, if I was on a little
Speaker 4: bit of gummies right now, I'd be like, this show
Speaker 4: would be a.
Speaker 3: Whole other experience. But I'm sober. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: Although Ken makes me want to drink sometimes, but nonetheless,
Speaker 4: I'm so happy though, because it was It turned out
Speaker 4: to be a really successful show.
Speaker 3: And I think it's because too, it checks all those.
Speaker 4: Boxes, like you want your brain to kind of think
Speaker 4: and try to guess who someone is. You know, I
Speaker 4: love putting together the clue packages. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: my wordal, you know. I just I love the those
Speaker 4: kind of brain games.
Speaker 1: Sure, how long have you been sober?
Speaker 2: For? No?
Speaker 3: I just went sober on the show.
Speaker 2: She was like, of actually last night, I'm like, is
Speaker 2: there tea in here? I like to keep them guessing too.
Speaker 2: They always think latte, they never think vodka. It's tricky.
Speaker 3: I do enjoy my vodka.
Speaker 2: I will say, Okay, I have I have relationship questions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, please bring it.
Speaker 2: You've done what we all set out to do, Jenny,
Speaker 2: you married a new kid, and so that matters to
Speaker 2: a lot of us. And I will say one of
Speaker 2: my favorite things about you is a you've always been like.
Speaker 2: So you're not much older than me, but I always
Speaker 2: feel like you've just always been more confident, and so
Speaker 2: I've kind of just looked it up to you in
Speaker 2: that way. And so when I watch your relationship with
Speaker 2: your sweet husband, I always love how it feels like
Speaker 2: you're so and listen, I know social media is crazy,
Speaker 2: but my husband was just at an event with you, actually,
Speaker 2: like a recent one, Tim Tebow something. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: played there, and he made sure to tell me this
Speaker 2: because I'm sure there's some sort of like passive aggressive
Speaker 2: comment in this that I need to like be retained.
Speaker 2: But he made sure to tell me that you are
Speaker 2: so all in for your husband. And he said, there
Speaker 2: could be a million people in the room and she
Speaker 2: is just it's him and her and I. That's how
Speaker 2: I've always perceived you too. But you know, social media
Speaker 2: can be deceiving, so I never know, but to have
Speaker 2: his like eyewitness and that too, tell me how does
Speaker 2: someone successful and beautiful and so independent and confident go
Speaker 2: all in on a husband like that? Like what shifted
Speaker 2: for you that makes you feel that way about him
Speaker 2: and makes it so easy?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you having a lot of failed relationships before
Speaker 4: this and learning the lessons in those failed relationships and
Speaker 4: not carrying that baggage over. So with each relationship, I
Speaker 4: did the work on myself. And before I met Donnie,
Speaker 4: I did a year of like celibacy and was like,
Speaker 4: I ain't date no one. I'm not having sex with anybody.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna work on myself. And I worked on
Speaker 4: self love. I know that might sound corny, but I
Speaker 4: did a lot of that kind of spiritual work, and
Speaker 4: I kind of told the universe. I said, listen, I'm
Speaker 4: now I consider myself cooked. I don't want to bring
Speaker 4: anyone else. And that's half to baked. Because I would
Speaker 4: date these guys and this might sound familiar to a
Speaker 4: lot of people, where I feel like I would feel
Speaker 4: really good about myself. I'd get in a relationship and
Speaker 4: then I felt like a down shift, like I'm in
Speaker 4: a stick shift and I'm gearing down on you, like
Speaker 4: I have to lower my energy, lower my vibration, just
Speaker 4: so that person could fee a little bit more comfortable.
Speaker 3: And I realized that is that's a losing bet right there,
Speaker 3: Like I.
Speaker 4: Need to shine as bright as I possibly can and
Speaker 4: have someone walk with me that shines bright in his
Speaker 4: own lane and we move forward together. Because it was
Speaker 4: a lot of like I would be like trying to
Speaker 4: pick that person up. I've got energy, here's some So
Speaker 4: after a year I still wasn't kind of looking And
Speaker 4: then I interviewed Donnie on one of my talk shows
Speaker 4: and was like, Oh, he's smart, he's funny, and he's.
Speaker 3: Cute, and he's got a good book.
Speaker 2: And we had just probably made you feel beautiful too,
Speaker 2: Like I could see him just being complimed he of
Speaker 2: you and making you feel like probably the only girl
Speaker 2: in the room right totally.
Speaker 4: And we and we've been married now ten years, will
Speaker 4: be ten years in August, and it's and it's it's
Speaker 4: not it's not like we just are like it's not
Speaker 4: like a Disney movie where we're always like having a
Speaker 4: bird fly on our shoulder and like tell a lot,
Speaker 4: we do the work when there are bumps, when there
Speaker 4: are triggers, like we sit down and we do this
Speaker 4: thing called the work. It's actually called the work, and
Speaker 4: it's by Byron Katie. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 4: heard of her before. What is that She is the
Speaker 4: gold standard in changing my life Donnie's Life Byron Katie.
Speaker 4: You can find a lot of YouTube videos of like
Speaker 4: the work and she does these five questions in a
Speaker 4: turnaround and.
Speaker 3: You can actually print out the worksheet on her website.
Speaker 4: And it's like, I am angry because da da da
Speaker 4: da da, And you write these out and by the
Speaker 4: end of the sheet you have an epiphany, an awakening,
Speaker 4: a turnaround. And it's amazing how you can meet someone
Speaker 4: that you're so mad at for a dumb reason or
Speaker 4: a serious reason and find that space to heal, forgive,
Speaker 4: love and move on.
Speaker 3: And Donnie and I have always done.
Speaker 4: That and we are closer than ever now if you're
Speaker 4: ten years like, we call each other probably fifteen times
Speaker 4: a day, and I I just love them.
Speaker 3: I just love them. But it's also a reflection of
Speaker 3: where you are.
Speaker 4: You know, you have to work on you to reflect
Speaker 4: because you're out a world reflection, you're.
Speaker 3: In a world.
Speaker 2: What do you think was one of the biggest hurdles
Speaker 2: that y'all face as a couple.
Speaker 4: I guess initially there are always phases, you know. Maybe
Speaker 4: one of the initials was like, will our kids? Because
Speaker 4: we came together like Brady Bunch, both of us had
Speaker 4: sons in the same age, like will our kids get along?
Speaker 4: And will they look like us? And so that was
Speaker 4: a very scary hurdle and it turned out great, of course,
Speaker 4: but it was something we were kind of walking slowly
Speaker 4: and making sure that all emotions were good and we
Speaker 4: handled it correctly.
Speaker 3: And then it was a matter of.
Speaker 4: Recognizing patterns we were bringing into an old relationship. And
Speaker 4: I can give you, guys a really clear, awesome example
Speaker 4: that I might have not said before in a talk show,
Speaker 4: but this might help somebody. So when Donnie and I
Speaker 4: first started dating, he would walk into the room like
Speaker 4: the bedroom, and I do this with my phone and
Speaker 4: he'd be like hmm, and that would kind of he
Speaker 4: was just taking note of it. And then the next time,
Speaker 4: you don't come in the car and I'd be like this,
Speaker 4: what are you doing for people that are listening? Only
Speaker 4: I'm hiding my phone next to my body. I'm quickly
Speaker 4: putting the phone down.
Speaker 1: Or flipping it probably the other way too.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I do this a lot, not just because I'm like okay.
Speaker 2: I do it as a like a all right, I'm
Speaker 2: all yours right, you know, but not like private.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but you're good to know, but I would
Speaker 3: be like hiding it under a pillar like it was we.
Speaker 2: It's under a rud you're moving furniture.
Speaker 3: Look at the squirrel out the window distraction.
Speaker 4: And so we early on before we even started having problems,
Speaker 4: and it was kind of weird to date someone and
Speaker 4: go like, will you go to a therapist with me
Speaker 4: so we can establish foundation. So I'm like, how are
Speaker 4: you a person that shuts down? Are you a person
Speaker 4: that likes to talk it out? So we worked out
Speaker 4: these things so when she comes up, we can handle
Speaker 4: them correctly. So when we checked in with our therapists,
Speaker 4: it's like, how are things, How are things going?
Speaker 3: And Donnie said, you know, I'm there.
Speaker 4: I feel myself becoming a little bit worried, resentful, jealous
Speaker 4: of like why she's all of a sudden dropping her
Speaker 4: phone or hiding her phone when I walk in a room,
Speaker 4: I think, is she having an affair on me? Like
Speaker 4: most people would hide their phone if they're, you know,
Speaker 4: talking to somebody else, like maybe she still has guys around.
Speaker 4: And I was like, wow, this goes to show you
Speaker 4: how if you don't communicate with your partner, it would
Speaker 4: be of course you would think that. But what really
Speaker 4: happened was I was in kind of a terrible relationship
Speaker 4: out of one of my many that I was in,
Speaker 4: and he was the guy I was with was very controlling,
Speaker 4: and so I used to have to put my phone
Speaker 4: in a phone casket when I walked in the door, like.
Speaker 2: Put the wrong thing in the casket. Sys maybe it
Speaker 2: should have been the dude, not the phone, let me
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 4: And that's one of the great relationships that taught me
Speaker 4: self love though. That's the one that I realized, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, I deserved better. But I went through years
Speaker 4: of like having to hide my phone because I couldn't
Speaker 4: be on it technically. It was very bizarre the fact
Speaker 4: that I would let that happen too. I was like,
Speaker 4: what the hell is wrong with me? But when Donnie,
Speaker 4: when I explained that to him and went in detail
Speaker 4: about that relationship, he was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 4: so sorry. So immediately he got compassion that this was
Speaker 4: a person that was suffering PTSD or trauma, that every
Speaker 4: time she was fout on her phone she would get
Speaker 4: a lashing. So he had such grace and compassion that
Speaker 4: I was able to then. It still took me a
Speaker 4: while to break that habit. But then he just caught
Speaker 4: to be like, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Right because he knew it wasn't had anything to do
Speaker 1: with him or exactly.
Speaker 4: So you can see how it takes work to work through.
Speaker 4: It's not just sunshine and roses and butterflies. You have
Speaker 4: to do the work.
Speaker 3: And that's why I think after ten years we are
Speaker 3: closer than ever.
Speaker 2: I love that. I really love that we're on year
Speaker 2: nine right now.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my second husband learned a lot from the first.
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, And I think it's been interesting
Speaker 2: because I think he grew up in a wildly avoidant
Speaker 2: family and I just grew up, like I always say,
Speaker 2: I grew up in all conflict, no resolution. He grew
Speaker 2: up in only resolution, no conflict. So it is like
Speaker 2: you know where I'm like, let's talk about it. But
Speaker 2: there was never It wasn't even a good balance. Like
Speaker 2: I came at him like, you know, crazyly.
Speaker 3: I got you. I got friends like that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where I'm like you just tell me and he's like, whoa,
Speaker 2: this feels aggressive and I'm like, well, everything feels aggressive
Speaker 2: if you're not just being silent. So it's been Yeah,
Speaker 2: like we've just been even recently. I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I don't feel kind of sad about this week coming
Speaker 2: up bringing up something for me. And then we talked
Speaker 2: about it and I felt better when I When I
Speaker 2: sit on it and stir, it gets worse and it.
Speaker 4: Comes out in different ways, like it'll seep out and
Speaker 4: you're all of a sudden pissed about the toilet bowl seat.
Speaker 3: You know, you're like so furious that the turt toy.
Speaker 3: Why are you leaving it up or why are you
Speaker 3: leaving it down?
Speaker 4: When really, in actuality, it's what was bothering you exactly.
Speaker 1: My therapist always says that you're giving it more energy
Speaker 1: by holding it in, So if I release it, then
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, oh, okay, I actually feel so much
Speaker 1: better now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also actually sometimes when I say it out loud,
Speaker 2: I'm like that that was actually quite silly. I'm really
Speaker 2: sorry actually, And you know.
Speaker 3: It's another great tool that Donnie and I do, And.
Speaker 4: We do this like like every time we'll have a
Speaker 4: long flight, we'll play play this game called Questions, and
Speaker 4: we'll we'll ask you out the questions.
Speaker 3: There's no ego. You can ask anything you want.
Speaker 4: You can bring up anything you want without saying like
Speaker 4: why did you hold on to that so long? It's
Speaker 4: just whatever. But we always ended with or if we
Speaker 4: don't have anything to ask, it's one question, which is
Speaker 4: what can I be doing better? And it's such a
Speaker 4: wonderful question to ask in relationship. But do you have
Speaker 4: to be secure and know that whatever your partner says,
Speaker 4: you can't go.
Speaker 1: What do you mean the defense needs to not be
Speaker 1: on the top.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Correct, correct, correct, And it's really quite beautiful because there's
Speaker 4: so many things I learned about Donnie that I would
Speaker 4: have never have guessed unless we played that little like
Speaker 4: what can we do better for each other?
Speaker 1: How old were you when you guys started, when you
Speaker 1: guys got together?
Speaker 3: I think forty one?
Speaker 1: Okay, so was then the kids having a kid together
Speaker 1: out of the question.
Speaker 4: Or oh well not biologically, but you were done.
Speaker 3: I was done, he was done. We five dogs.
Speaker 2: Those are our babies now and everyone gets a lot.
Speaker 2: I love that the kids get along too. Sets great.
Speaker 1: And your son's working on the messinger, right, is that
Speaker 1: what it is?
Speaker 4: He's working the messing and it's so cute. He works
Speaker 4: the audience loadens. He's like welcome everybody, and people are
Speaker 4: excited to see him. I know.
Speaker 3: It's the sweetest thing ever.
Speaker 2: That's so sweet. How often are you doing that? Like,
Speaker 2: how long do you record for? How long does that go?
Speaker 4: It's about a month or so, maybe a month and
Speaker 4: a half and for but we do two seasons, so
Speaker 4: it's about maybe three months out of the year.
Speaker 2: Is there anyone that had just I mean, obviously they
Speaker 2: all kind of surprise you, but is there one that
Speaker 2: you just were one memorable one that you were kind
Speaker 2: of mind blown over.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When my husband surprised me and I didn't know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Was totally totally freaked out because we talk all the time.
Speaker 3: But he was calling me.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm on set and he's in another set
Speaker 4: next door with the same background of the set of
Speaker 4: Blue Bloods, meaning like you know, an off stage kind
Speaker 4: of exit door.
Speaker 3: They all look like the same, So I never thought
Speaker 3: for one second he was in the other room.
Speaker 4: So when they took off that rooster mask, I was like,
Speaker 4: that's when I thought I was on acid or mushrooms.
Speaker 4: I was like, what, uh, why the rooster you know,
Speaker 4: that's the costume that they just had available.
Speaker 2: Because I was going to make like a ceoc K joke.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what was going on. I was like,
Speaker 2: what do we know about that?
Speaker 3: Of those I don't think they care a girl. How
Speaker 3: could you not? Donnie Wahlberg, is you know in a
Speaker 3: rooster costume?
Speaker 2: It's your husband, not mine. I mean, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to make it an appropriate joke, but.
Speaker 3: Let's just say rooster feet were very large.
Speaker 2: But okay, can we can we ladies? Can we talk
Speaker 2: about formless beautiful beauty?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: Please please? I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Okay, tell us everything.
Speaker 3: I will. I'll tell you everything in a nutshell and
Speaker 3: you'll appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We're forty and we need we need some coverage here.
Speaker 2: Well, we also need clean makeup because like our daughters
Speaker 2: are moving into that season too, and that's the part
Speaker 2: the matter most to me too, that there's like an alternative.
Speaker 1: For her and can you cover my malasma?
Speaker 4: She'll cover right my Mommy clients are always like, thank
Speaker 4: you so much because my daughter always bowers my makeup
Speaker 4: and I know that your makeup is so incredibly clean.
Speaker 4: The reason why I started is because God forbid, we
Speaker 4: don't need a celebrity another celebrity makeup brand. But when
Speaker 4: I did my homework, because I am vigilant on ingredients,
Speaker 4: even at the grocery store, I couldn't can.
Speaker 3: I swear, I couldn't forget do what you want. I
Speaker 3: couldn't create that.
Speaker 4: That makeup was like it's still it wasn't regulated after
Speaker 4: eighty years, Like.
Speaker 3: I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: And then I found out that there's formeldehyde in mascara,
Speaker 4: there's hormone disruptors, there's forever chemicals which cause cancer in mascara,
Speaker 4: in most mascara. And I remember the people saying good
Speaker 4: luck trying to make a mescarra without the forever chemicals,
Speaker 4: because I'm like you, you sit back and you watch me.
Speaker 3: Did I bring it with me? But we made the
Speaker 3: most incredible freaking mescarea. It's sold out. It's been sold out.
Speaker 4: We won't be able to be in restock until probably
Speaker 4: just because I had no idea. So many people care
Speaker 4: also about ingredients, but performance too, because I would buy
Speaker 4: these like organic makeups and I'd be like, row, you know,
Speaker 4: it just didn't perform great. So we are so slow
Speaker 4: to roll out products because they have to pass my stringent,
Speaker 4: like vigilant ingredient thing.
Speaker 3: We followed the EWG, the EWG.
Speaker 4: Guidelines of non acceptable ingredients. If you don't know who
Speaker 4: they are, the Environmental Working Group.
Speaker 2: They only ban like fifteen things, and I'm sorry here,
Speaker 2: we only ban like fifteen things, right, and like European
Speaker 2: standard is like tens of thousands.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: We followed the EWG, which has nine hundred pages of
Speaker 4: unacceptable ingredients. So we don't use telc in our eyeshadows
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of asbestos in eyeshadows. That's why
Speaker 4: I tell mommies, like, if your kids gonna play with stuff,
Speaker 4: let them use the non asbestos makeup. Our lip glasses
Speaker 4: are all ingredients you pronounce like alo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want this one here on the site right there.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a tan vibe adding to part.
Speaker 4: Did we I think we got we're sending you guys.
Speaker 4: That's what I heard, the whole kitten kaboodle. So you
Speaker 4: guys want to get everything amazing. Yeah, I finally get
Speaker 4: your Maskcara, but it sold out. It's still sold out, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's sold out.
Speaker 4: But we just yeah, we just are about to launch,
Speaker 4: if not already. We did launch the eyelashes and why
Speaker 4: did I make lashes because they're amazing.
Speaker 1: Lashes are everything, they wake you up, they're just like you.
Speaker 4: But the bands were always so thick or the lashes
Speaker 4: look so ridiculous. I'm like, oh, it's dressed up for
Speaker 4: Halloween every day wearing lashes like this, Like we all
Speaker 4: know that girl that goes to yoga and those lashes
Speaker 4: that are way too long. So I'm like, can I
Speaker 4: make an every day and a pump up lash? So
Speaker 4: the ones I'm morning today are flutter, which I love
Speaker 4: because they're sohat good for everyday use. And then we
Speaker 4: came out with a brush collection, which mine are kind
Speaker 4: of dirty right now. But if you guys notice, and
Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have bought brushes, they're like forty
Speaker 4: bucks a pop.
Speaker 1: I'd be really gross right now. I can't tell you
Speaker 1: the last time I washed my brushes. I need new brush.
Speaker 2: Well, they're also saying now not to wash your brushes
Speaker 2: because then there's even more like I think it's just
Speaker 2: like a new brush idea. So maybe this is what
Speaker 2: we need.
Speaker 4: This is what you need, and guess what you guys
Speaker 4: are getting them, so you're both gonna be getting one.
Speaker 4: But we have twelve brushes and they're super nice. They're
Speaker 4: like fancy, fancy nice.
Speaker 2: But does it come as a set, because that matter.
Speaker 3: Comes with the whole set, the whole travel kit.
Speaker 2: Okay, I wish you could marry me instead. I get
Speaker 2: so frustrated because I'm not a makeup girl, and then
Speaker 2: I get on to try to find a brush and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what I need and trying
Speaker 2: to writ mean online is hard. I want like, just
Speaker 2: give me what I need.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. This is exactly what you need. And
Speaker 4: if you're still like is this the contour brush or
Speaker 4: is this the blush brush? Like if you don't know,
Speaker 4: if you follow us on TikTok, we have the most
Speaker 4: amazing quick tutorials of like we blow up the shadows
Speaker 4: of which ones the makeup artist is using, and then
Speaker 4: it goes to the next color and it's like a
Speaker 4: fifth because you don't who wants to watch it half
Speaker 4: in our no one? So we put them down in
Speaker 4: twenty seconds. So we show you which one to use
Speaker 4: and which brush to use, so it's like easy PC.
Speaker 1: When did the because I don't when do the brushes
Speaker 1: hit the website? The eleventh Okay, so when people are
Speaker 1: listening to this, then people.
Speaker 4: Are listening to this, it will be up and you'll
Speaker 4: guys be able to get them, but you're just gonna
Speaker 4: get the whole kit and kaboodle.
Speaker 2: And I problemly didn't know there was that bad of
Speaker 2: stuff and it's kind of disturbing me now. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize it was that bad of stuff in makeup. It's
Speaker 2: like bad, bad, and it's what we put on our skin,
Speaker 2: which makes me so sad, like it's our biggest organ
Speaker 2: it makes me I have there's actually a EWG app
Speaker 2: that's what I used to type in products for foods
Speaker 2: and like anything for the baby.
Speaker 4: We just submitted our we submitted our EWR all of
Speaker 4: our products EWG and we're now in Phase two because
Speaker 4: they go and then they do third party testing and everything.
Speaker 3: So we made it through Test one.
Speaker 4: Of course we were going to pass because we followed
Speaker 4: their strict guidelines. And I'm just excited because I wanted
Speaker 4: to be that brand where people go, I know I
Speaker 4: can trust her. I know I can trust her because
Speaker 4: now everyone cares about shareholders stakeholders, and that's their line.
Speaker 3: Like when all these people are talking about clean.
Speaker 4: Beauty and then I dive into their ingredients. I'm like,
Speaker 4: whose standard are you going by for clean?
Speaker 2: Because it's not how This actually makes me have some
Speaker 2: more faith in that because EWG app, so do you
Speaker 2: remember the think dirty app? And I might get thrown
Speaker 2: under the bus for this, I don't really care. But
Speaker 2: then I started to understand that people were buying into that,
Speaker 2: and so then it wasn't always an honest take on
Speaker 2: what the ingredients were because money was feeding it. So
Speaker 2: I actually have more faith in the EWG app now
Speaker 2: knowing that they're shaking you down, our sweet soul sister.
Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody's gonna shake down Jennymine Crthy.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what why I followed their guidelines is
Speaker 4: because they don't. They're the only agency that's not captured.
Speaker 4: Because let's be honest, the FDA is captured. A lot
Speaker 4: of these people have lobbyists that are just captured. EWG
Speaker 4: does not have that. They're the only non captured agency
Speaker 4: that are working on behalf of humanity, and that resonated
Speaker 4: with me and I. You know, even though they drive
Speaker 4: my chemists, my chemist is ready to jump out of
Speaker 4: the window. I picture him like the last King and
Speaker 4: Game of Thrones when he jumps out the window.
Speaker 3: That's my visual every time I call him. I'm like,
Speaker 3: but you can do it, buddy, you can figure this out.
Speaker 4: Imagine you're we're going to raise a beauty bar and
Speaker 4: they're all gonna be walking behind you, and we're gonna
Speaker 4: be proud, because once we do it, then others will follow.
Speaker 1: You know, I really need this Messcare to come back
Speaker 1: and stop, because I low the messcara I'm using right now,
Speaker 1: like so bad. It keeps going underneath my eye to
Speaker 1: you know when you put it on and then about
Speaker 1: like two hours later because I sweat and it's just
Speaker 1: like you see the black underneath there too. You can
Speaker 1: almost guess it's organic mescaa when you see somebody with them.
Speaker 2: And you're like, hey girl going for that clean makeup?
Speaker 2: Yeah me too, it's so clean.
Speaker 4: Or you see those people using the mascara on the
Speaker 4: influencers and the lashes all of a sudden go up
Speaker 4: to here and you're like, well, it really elongates.
Speaker 3: It long gates because there's microplastics in it.
Speaker 4: They put microplastics in your mescarrat and make those long things.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to microplastics in my eyes,
Speaker 4: I'm already like leached out fake fingernails. Like it's about
Speaker 4: like what you absorb in your like your lipstick. You're
Speaker 4: practically eating it. Those things should be very mindful, especially
Speaker 4: if your daughters are playing with it.
Speaker 2: How did you start the foremost foremost beauty is it?
Speaker 2: Did it start with other things in your life and
Speaker 2: then it brought you to the makeup or was it
Speaker 2: just obviously you know, we love makeup as girls. But
Speaker 2: I'm curious if it started with a different with like
Speaker 2: food or something before that.
Speaker 3: With the clan, it started with food.
Speaker 4: When my son was sick and diagnosed with a bunch
Speaker 4: of stuff, I dove in to heat his healing, and
Speaker 4: then once I got him under control, I decided to
Speaker 4: look at myself and was like, oh, I'm a disaster.
Speaker 3: Like I found out I had MTHFR gene mutation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so this is even more important why you
Speaker 4: need this kind of makeup? Because we eat is a
Speaker 4: perfect example, and I only have a minute left. The
Speaker 4: if you eat let's say fish tuna, most people who
Speaker 4: don't have this gene mutation, they hold If you don't
Speaker 4: have the mutation, you detox ninety percent of that mercury.
Speaker 4: If you have the mutations, ninety percent of that mercury.
Speaker 3: So we are methilation pathways.
Speaker 4: Our detoxing has to be taking very seriously.
Speaker 3: Infrared z on us.
Speaker 4: Make sure you sweat, make sure you work out, lymphatic
Speaker 4: system is clear, because we have to help aid our body.
Speaker 3: Into cleansing those things. So I'm very mindful of what
Speaker 3: goes in me.
Speaker 2: Now well, and also thank you for what you do
Speaker 2: with taka and stuff too. Actually went to an event
Speaker 2: a couple years ago back in Los Angeles, so just
Speaker 2: thank you for all the advocacy work that you do
Speaker 2: on that side as well. So sure, but you're our
Speaker 2: dream Jess, Joanny for coming on.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you and I cannot wait to try formless beauty
Speaker 1: and of course watch I'm the mass singer.
Speaker 3: I know. I'm so grateful you guys, and I can't wait.
Speaker 3: You'll have to let me know how much you'll love it.
Speaker 2: Please get it perfect. We already love it. We love you.
Speaker 3: I love you guys. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: By home bye, so sweet, stunning. She never ages, you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of if you would have told high school,
Speaker 2: middle school Jana I just think it's meet the people
Speaker 2: that we've been able to interview on the show, from
Speaker 2: McConaughey to Jada to Jenny to there's very iconic people
Speaker 2: that have come on that I have grown up with.
Speaker 2: Remember Tiffany Theston. I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: Yes, you know? And then I mean even I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just there's there's times where I go, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is cool. It's never lost on me. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, who gets.
Speaker 2: A chance to like chat with people like this? Well,
Speaker 2: and you kind of you you did something really beautiful,
Speaker 2: beautiful for me the other day when we when uh,
Speaker 2: I got asked to take Jolie to go to Dallas
Speaker 2: for the opening of the American Girl Store Doll Store,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh, like I just I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to figure this out and then move this and
Speaker 2: but then we have to go to Chicago.
Speaker 3: The next day.
Speaker 1: And and you kind of you went, how cool is
Speaker 1: that that you get the opportunity to just go to
Speaker 1: Dallas take your daughter?
Speaker 2: And I was like, you are so right.
Speaker 1: I'm too consumed by everything else that have to do
Speaker 1: to Okay, who's gonna take care of room? And then this,
Speaker 1: that and the other, and it's just and the opportunities
Speaker 1: are so cool that we get to do like crazy
Speaker 1: cool and it just for myself joy and gratefulness of
Speaker 1: that whole entire day. I'm like, I kept saying, how
Speaker 1: cool is this that we get to do this together?
Speaker 1: How grateful am I that we got the opportunity to
Speaker 1: go do this together? How blessed are we that we're able?
Speaker 1: You know that I have someone flexible that can help
Speaker 1: with Roman right now.
Speaker 2: You know I've had to do it too, because I,
Speaker 2: you know, me like love to be home with the babies. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I think part of our last couple of years
Speaker 2: of marriage is because I'm so this is what I do,
Speaker 2: and like I'm very boundary and boundary with no soft edges.
Speaker 2: So now I'm trying to have boundaries with like softer edges.
Speaker 2: But traveling with Preston matters so much to him because
Speaker 2: it's lonely, Like two hundred nights a year, I'm home alone,
Speaker 2: but I'm home alone with our babies. Like the people
Speaker 2: we've made. He's not alone, but he is alone, and
Speaker 2: so from him, to have a piece of one of
Speaker 2: us out with him matters so I'm trying to reframe
Speaker 2: it from myself on the marrior front, where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I really I can't wait to take that trip with you.
Speaker 2: I mean, we got paid to go to Aruba. That's
Speaker 2: really cool. Like he did a show there. I'm sharing
Speaker 2: him in some sense, but I'm also in Aruba with
Speaker 2: my husband and that's really cool too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yes, and also it's important to have
Speaker 1: those times together as much as even though I had
Speaker 1: so much anxiety going to Mexico, No, it's funny, Julie.
Speaker 1: Julie texted me. She goes, why on earth did you
Speaker 1: book an earlier flight to come home to do a
Speaker 1: bedtime routine that you do five million, ka trillion times?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, because, Julie, you know me. She's like,
Speaker 1: I know you're anxiously attached and you had to get
Speaker 1: back to the baby. I was like, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Then when I got home, I'm like, why didn't I say,
Speaker 2: I know, but baby steps were doing it. We went,
Speaker 2: we both did a trip in two weeks, and I'm
Speaker 2: proud of us.
Speaker 1: Right, But it was one of those moments where I go, Okay,
Speaker 1: Julie had a point there, because I remember the first
Speaker 1: day Alan and I got to Mexico again three days
Speaker 1: or three nights, and he was like, this is going
Speaker 1: to be over before we know it. Let's just sink
Speaker 1: it just let's just sink every moment in and let's
Speaker 1: take it all in. And then the last day, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just time goes by so fast. It really is
Speaker 1: a thief that but I was like, I wish I
Speaker 1: would have enjoyed it even more. Instead, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got two more sleeps here and then two more
Speaker 1: days I get to go home instead of going.
Speaker 2: You texted me when I was on that trip last
Speaker 2: and that I said, your timing, Like I was right.
Speaker 2: I was like, can I get out of here today?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Get me out of here?
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why I got the earlier flight because
Speaker 1: we were on the last flight out, Like I don't
Speaker 1: want make the last flight out because I miss this
Speaker 1: flights the Oh my gosh. Then I start to get anxiety,
Speaker 1: and so in my mind, I'm like, why didn't I
Speaker 1: just allow myself to just chill and fun. I did.
Speaker 2: I really did have a great time. It's just you know, baby,
Speaker 2: and good too, yeah is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because I mean like almost four months. Okay. I don't
Speaker 2: know who made the timeline for you when the partum
Speaker 2: is over, but you're like, I had my first period,
Speaker 2: so that's over, and I'm like, oh, it's every eight days, okay,
Speaker 2: y don ky. The postpartum post part of anxiety. Of
Speaker 2: that piece of it though, is like primal, so it's
Speaker 2: like you wanting to get back to him is actually
Speaker 2: like the way God made you. It's it's a good thing,
Speaker 2: you know. It's on with that subject is when we
Speaker 2: went to go watch whill watching, they were saying, I know,
Speaker 2: but you got to just like follow me on this one.
Speaker 2: But I just love the term. I mean, I did
Speaker 2: know that was a piece of this that's exciting. So
Speaker 2: for me, water is kind of my relax It's almost
Speaker 2: like my anxiety pill. So I love to be out
Speaker 2: in the water. So it's like, Alan, let's go get
Speaker 2: a boat. There's well watching. So we ordered this little
Speaker 2: got this little guy to take us out there and
Speaker 2: we were watching the whales and he was telling us
Speaker 2: about an orca, which did you know, so in did
Speaker 2: you know that a killer like orca whale is actually
Speaker 2: a dolphin?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Maybe I heard this yeah, we did some dolphin experience,
Speaker 2: I think true story, So okay, keep going.
Speaker 1: Parents familiar so anyways, but then the orca, it's really
Speaker 1: it's so disturbing and so but this is the whole
Speaker 1: mother primal thing.
Speaker 2: Just seriously follow So I'm on a romantic whale watching
Speaker 2: story in my brain.
Speaker 1: Suddenly, you know, So the orca is they like the
Speaker 1: baby whales and so sad. So that but the moms
Speaker 1: they know this, so that to protect their baby whales
Speaker 1: they literally like put them on their stomachs and then
Speaker 1: like roll over to protect them from the orca.
Speaker 2: I know. It was so sad that guy was like
Speaker 2: telling us this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just want to go home to Roman
Speaker 1: him on my stomach roll I want to roll over.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Protection, But I know, but that sort of them had
Speaker 1: me thinking about that again. That motherly instinct to protect
Speaker 1: your child, that's all it is. So it's okay that
Speaker 1: you don't want to be away from him.
Speaker 2: I know. Also we have to remember to be with
Speaker 2: the people we made them with. So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: I know, And we we did. We had like the
Speaker 1: best time.
Speaker 2: I actually really think like I need it more than
Speaker 2: I think I need it when I'm with him, because
Speaker 2: we're we're only each other's sole focus, and I miss
Speaker 2: being taken care of like that. Like it's different. Like
Speaker 2: I fell asleep on the plane. I woke up to
Speaker 2: him like playing with my hair, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I felt sweet. I know, well, he's he's good
Speaker 2: at that. We've just there's all this like messiness in
Speaker 2: between of like the industry and the travel and the
Speaker 2: feelings and that you don't get to talk to each
Speaker 2: other or see each other, you know, Like I think
Speaker 2: you start to sort it out and it really just
Speaker 2: comes back to like really fairly easy if you're just
Speaker 2: talking to each other and spending time with each other.
Speaker 1: Mama's it's okay to miss your babies, but go be
Speaker 1: with the ones he made him with.
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm really proud of you. We've done it
Speaker 2: all right, friends, see you next week. I want to
Speaker 2: be like Jenny and Donnie. I'm playing in town.
Speaker 4: Mhm