Speaker 1: What's that at the ben It's spooky, Hey jooky, I'm
Speaker 1: really sure it's dead. It's coming to this way. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I said, Hi, Ross dressed, Hey boo, it's
Speaker 1: me Ros dressful. Last gosh, we have such an exciting episode.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I have been thrilled. It's been like
Speaker 1: since the beginning. This is another one of these guests
Speaker 1: that I just wanted to have the whole time. And
Speaker 1: I'm so honored to have Jack Osborne on the show.
Speaker 1: Who's going to be talking to us about his fantastic
Speaker 1: spooky paranormal show Portals to Hell.
Speaker 2: So we'll get into that.
Speaker 1: And we also talked about you know, I was reading
Speaker 1: there was a Rolling Stone article that he has ghosts
Speaker 1: in his house right now, so we kind of got
Speaker 1: into that. But he's actually not the only celeb that
Speaker 1: has been dealing with ghosts in their house because I
Speaker 1: also found this article. Well it was on you know,
Speaker 1: several different publications, but I found one on Daily Mail,
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. The headline is Christopher Maloney asking
Speaker 1: six point five million dollars as he lists his haunted
Speaker 1: house that was once the on and off screen home
Speaker 1: of Ozzie and Harriet very interesting read so and I
Speaker 1: love the Daily Mail the way that they were it.
Speaker 1: They say, fifty nine year old Law and Order Special
Speaker 1: Victims Unit Hunk is asking six point four nine five
Speaker 1: million to get on lawn order. They need to drag
Speaker 1: Queen up in there because I want a six point
Speaker 1: five million dollar house. The house is very large. There's
Speaker 1: lots of pictures all over the internet right now. I
Speaker 1: actually looked up the address and went to Zillow, which
Speaker 1: is truly one of my favorite websites, just to see
Speaker 1: the listing, and because I was curious. Does it say
Speaker 1: on the listing that it's haunted? But it didn't. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that the realtor would say that if you were
Speaker 1: to go check it out. But it says in the
Speaker 1: article that there has been a couple of interesting occurrences
Speaker 1: over the years. I mean, I'll be honest, it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound incredibly haunted. It would appear that what says right here.
Speaker 1: So after Ozzie and Harriet Nelson, so three of the
Speaker 1: owners after them complain to paranormal experiences in the house
Speaker 1: to their realtor, Rose, who told Los Angeles Times in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen that people have mentioned an inexplicable rose fragrance
Speaker 1: popping up in some rooms, as well as locked doors
Speaker 1: winding up mysteriously. Ajar Billy claimed Ozzy Harry Ozzy Nelson
Speaker 1: his toy trainset remained in the house as a legacy
Speaker 1: piece long after his death, and later owners would say
Speaker 1: that it would randomly turn on at night. The speculation
Speaker 1: about ghosts became so strong that Billy said that I
Speaker 1: would always make a disclosure that there was a legend
Speaker 1: that the house was hanted. Oh okay, so he does
Speaker 1: tell people. That's good, So maybe that's pretty on. Did
Speaker 1: I don't know? Says one other owner hired a medium
Speaker 1: to make sure that any ghosts in the house were
Speaker 1: copasetic with the new residents, which they supposedly wore. So
Speaker 1: if you have, you know, six point five million dollars
Speaker 1: and he wanted to move to a haunted house with
Speaker 1: some nice ghosts, possibly check out these articles. All right,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to Jack Osborne, who he's one
Speaker 1: of those rare people that is so perfect for this
Speaker 1: show because you know, he's kind of like a mixture
Speaker 1: of show biz celebrity type people like we often have
Speaker 1: on the show. But he's also kind of an expert
Speaker 1: a little in the field. You know, he's had several
Speaker 1: paranormal shows at this point, and he's done so many investigations,
Speaker 1: so it's it's a really there's very few people that
Speaker 1: are like that. You know, there's him, There's there's Bridget
Speaker 1: Mark Horn, for example. Like people like that that are
Speaker 1: you know, they come from show biz background and now
Speaker 1: they've kind of gotten into the paranormal world. So it's
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a perfect marriage of things. And
Speaker 1: so I'm so excited that I got to talk to him.
Speaker 1: I sat in my boyfriend's shower recording studio where I've
Speaker 1: been recorded lately, and hopped on the phone with Jack Osbourne.
Speaker 1: So here we go with the show. Jack, How are
Speaker 1: you in this crazy time? How's everything going for you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing all right? How have I just got
Speaker 2: like the news a lot that they're going to extend
Speaker 2: this until like end of July, And it was just
Speaker 2: like so diffressed.
Speaker 1: Now, I know, are you? Are you guys wrapped with
Speaker 1: filming portals to Hell?
Speaker 2: No, we were midway through season two. We had eleven
Speaker 2: episodes in the can and we have seven more to do.
Speaker 2: So every time they keep extending this quarantine. It's just
Speaker 2: like right, yeah, well, okay.
Speaker 1: I keep talking to people on this podcast about how
Speaker 1: grateful I am that at least I'm not quarantined in
Speaker 1: a haunted house. And then I read that you have
Speaker 1: ghosts in your house right now? What is going on
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going on with my house.
Speaker 2: I since August of last year, my girlfriend started seeing
Speaker 2: seeing things like she would wake up and there would
Speaker 2: be like a woman stood in our bedroom, and then
Speaker 2: it was a child, and then it was a hooded figure,
Speaker 2: and and it was one of those things where she
Speaker 2: was like certainly not dreaming because you know, she she
Speaker 2: wears glasses and so she would like wake up and
Speaker 2: see something and like reach grab her glasses put him
Speaker 2: on and she could like it was like, okay, that's
Speaker 2: still there. And then I started experiencing things. I started
Speaker 2: seeing like the hooded figure. And then I woke up
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and this woman was
Speaker 2: stood over me and just like looking at me while
Speaker 2: I was laying in bed like I could if you know,
Speaker 2: if you put me in touch with a sketch, you know,
Speaker 2: one of those like police sketch artists, I could like describerr.
Speaker 1: What'd he look like?
Speaker 2: She had long, kind of scraggly hair, very very pale skinned,
Speaker 2: dark circles around her eyes. Her eyes were very black.
Speaker 2: The weird thing is she it she did? Most people
Speaker 2: would tell you, oh, it's the old hag, which is
Speaker 2: like a common occurrence with like sleep paralysis, right, But
Speaker 2: she didn't look that old. Her skin was very smooth,
Speaker 2: like porcelain. And she there was a cloaked figure stood
Speaker 2: next to her that at like one point when I
Speaker 2: looked up at her, she looked at me and then
Speaker 2: looked over at this hooded figure.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do I mean, listen, I'm gonna benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt. I could have been like half half dreaming.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's been a really interesting year
Speaker 2: at my hand. And my house was built in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: So what was the land before that? Do you think
Speaker 1: it was something like that or do you think it
Speaker 1: was something followed you?
Speaker 2: Well, a woman just did, like a woman did live
Speaker 2: here on this in this house. There was a property
Speaker 2: here before, and they tore the house down, and I
Speaker 2: believe she passed away, although when I look it up,
Speaker 2: it says she didn't die in the house and anything
Speaker 2: like that, so I'm not entirely And my neighbor said
Speaker 2: she didn't die in the house so that she went
Speaker 2: to like a nursing home. So I don't really know
Speaker 2: what what the hell's going on, and it's it's freaky
Speaker 2: to a degree. But the interesting thing about doing a goat,
Speaker 2: you know, paranormal show and kind of you know, working
Speaker 2: in this field, is that you you kind of you
Speaker 2: kind of get somewhat desensitized to the fear. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you start to lean more in. For me, anyway, I
Speaker 2: lean way more into the curiosity about like, well, what
Speaker 2: is it and why is it here and what does
Speaker 2: it want?
Speaker 1: Versus when you're sleeping that doesn't scary. Like to me,
Speaker 1: that's like someone standing in front of my bed when
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping dead or not. That's creepy, But that doesn't
Speaker 1: scare you.
Speaker 2: I mean I would be both terrified if they were alive.
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, why is this cloaked man in my bedroom?
Speaker 1: And some goth girl that's a.
Speaker 2: Fan of House I know exactly, she's like, hey, what
Speaker 2: when's the new season airing?
Speaker 1: It was me, okay, you on this podcast So I'm
Speaker 1: just the thing that keeps because when I started this podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. I'm uh, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: someone that's very curious about this stuff. And I have
Speaker 1: been shocked to learn that it's not always the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody died in the house. Sometimes like ghosts
Speaker 1: can just follow you or they can just appear out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And that's the thing that trips me out.
Speaker 1: So that's I mean, is that something that concerns you
Speaker 1: these you go to these portals to hell and something
Speaker 1: coming back with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I we there is that
Speaker 2: belief of attachments, you know, I kind of I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think I have an attachment. I kind of think
Speaker 2: that whatever this energy is, it knows when you're looking
Speaker 2: for it. After a while, like it's almost like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I have my antenna up and I've and
Speaker 2: I've done so many different like ceremonies with different like
Speaker 2: psychics and mystics and people who uh, you know, shot
Speaker 2: you know, healers and this and that. Like I wonder
Speaker 2: if like through that they've kind of you know, I'm
Speaker 2: like a lighthouse a little bit. I know. I think
Speaker 2: it's theoretical. Uh oh, and everything in this field is
Speaker 2: fringe science and theoretical, and you know, we have no
Speaker 2: no real answers. We just have kind of our best
Speaker 2: guesstimate of what it is that we're encountering.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just watching your sister Kelly talking about
Speaker 1: like kind of exploring her psychic abilities and being empathic,
Speaker 1: and do you find that you also have a little
Speaker 1: bit of that?
Speaker 2: No, I actually I don't think I'm in like an
Speaker 2: EmPATH at all. If anything, I probably you know, my
Speaker 2: my girlfriend would tell you I'm the complete opposite. I
Speaker 2: I for me because I kind of put up a wall,
Speaker 2: you know, But I think, man, I don't know I would.
Speaker 2: I would love to sit here and be like, yes,
Speaker 2: my my powers are strengthening over the last two years.
Speaker 1: But I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily I think it it comes you have
Speaker 2: to kind of come at this with like what's your
Speaker 2: driving force? And my driving force has never been to
Speaker 2: kind of be a channeler or an EmPATH or a medium.
Speaker 2: It's it's just been to all right, what's going on
Speaker 2: and can we get some kind of data and evidence
Speaker 2: of these alleged you know, happenings.
Speaker 1: Right right, so okay when I I'm such a fan
Speaker 1: of Portals to Hell and I have so many I
Speaker 1: mean so many great Like when I tell people about it,
Speaker 1: I always tell them that you guys have the best psychics,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I we we definitely do.
Speaker 1: I'm so like jaw dropped by Michelle and Cindy.
Speaker 2: How have you? How have you not had Michelle on
Speaker 2: this show? I need to She is the Michelle is.
Speaker 2: She's like she's from the Matrix. There's no other way
Speaker 2: to say it. She's like the oracle in the Matrix.
Speaker 1: I feel like she would. I mean, when I tell
Speaker 1: her that I'm in full drag as I'm doing all
Speaker 1: my interviews, she could probably tell me, are you sure
Speaker 1: about that? Because I can see that you're wearing pajamas
Speaker 1: and an old T shirt from high school?
Speaker 2: She probably could. Yes, this is without a doubt Michelle.
Speaker 2: Michelle quite possibly is like one of my like whenever, whenever,
Speaker 2: like you know, we book her on an episode, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, yes, things are gonna get weird because she
Speaker 2: just like she taps into an energy stream, which I
Speaker 2: just I could I don't even comprehend.
Speaker 1: It's insane and like putting her blindfolded and just being
Speaker 1: able to figure it out. It's it's crazy. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: when we talk about like Portals to Hell, which you know,
Speaker 1: I love that the show is you guys kind of
Speaker 1: explore all different kinds of hauntings, but you know a
Speaker 1: lot of them. It seems like so many of these
Speaker 1: places are you know, nice haunted houses and then people
Speaker 1: are going in there and they're they're doing black magic,
Speaker 1: like are they opening the portals? That sort of what's
Speaker 1: been happened? Like it seems like I can think of
Speaker 1: a couple of different locations where it seems that they
Speaker 1: found you know, candles and people in cloaks or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it seems I mean it's very much
Speaker 2: like you know, whether people realize what they're doing is good, bad, whatever,
Speaker 2: but like it does seem like that is happen. It
Speaker 2: happens in an awful lot of the locations we go to,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I I mean, I feel like I have a pretty
Speaker 1: good grasp of it. But what do you why do
Speaker 1: you think that? Like what is that? So you know,
Speaker 1: when you do a seance or a Ouiji board, like
Speaker 1: what's the what's the different you think people are straight
Speaker 1: up trying to get demons conjured up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think people think it's kind
Speaker 2: of fun and cool to to kind of tap danced
Speaker 2: and you know, into that realm because it's I mean,
Speaker 2: here's the thing. I think there's just as many cool
Speaker 2: things that happen with positive energies as they do as negative.
Speaker 2: But people just feel like, oh, if it's negative, it
Speaker 2: must be real. Well what about inviting something positive? You know,
Speaker 2: like that that can be real. But I just don't
Speaker 2: think it's as it's as you know, people like to
Speaker 2: go to haunted houses because they like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: this weird scare factor that we kind of lean into,
Speaker 2: right versus running away from it. I think it's silly.
Speaker 2: I mean, have I done wigi boards and participated in
Speaker 2: certain rituals, yes, But nine out of ten times I've
Speaker 2: had an expert in the room with me that knows
Speaker 2: how to shut it down, control it and you know,
Speaker 2: and keep keep things kind of in the right place.
Speaker 1: So you think people are just sort of they just
Speaker 1: they kind of open it up and then they're just like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm out of here, and then you know,
Speaker 1: let the building deal with.
Speaker 2: A absolutely absolutely what I.
Speaker 1: Think goes on. Now. I was raised Catholic, and I'm
Speaker 1: always like, I mean, I'm not a practicing Catholic at all,
Speaker 1: but i have like ingrained in my head the idea
Speaker 1: of demons and hell and what that means, I mean,
Speaker 1: is that do you think that that's what we're dealing
Speaker 1: with when you talk about portals the hell?
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of like you know, I've been
Speaker 2: I've been batting around ideas with Katrina lately, you know,
Speaker 2: and one idea is, you know, our so much of
Speaker 2: evil is a social construct, right, like what we would
Speaker 2: perceive to be. Okay, you you're you are a drag queen.
Speaker 2: You addressed in drag right now, if you were to
Speaker 2: go to other parts of the country, they would see
Speaker 2: you as evil and they would want to do great
Speaker 2: bodily harm to you. Right all society looks at that
Speaker 2: and goes, that's screwed up, that's evil. Hell, No, like
Speaker 2: why why is that? Like? And so it's a social
Speaker 2: construct at that point, you know, because their belief is
Speaker 2: what that you know, And and so for me, I go, well,
Speaker 2: the Catholic perception of hell and demonology and demons is
Speaker 2: their social construct Now is it? Are we all putting
Speaker 2: you know, are we all looking at the same sun
Speaker 2: through different windows? Meaning? Is evil evil and they're just
Speaker 2: choosing to put a face in a name to certain
Speaker 2: aspects of it, therefore giving it an identity and making
Speaker 2: it real? Or is it? Is it real? And you
Speaker 2: know it's it's like a very Is it chicken or egg?
Speaker 2: Is it? It's so kind of layered. But are we
Speaker 2: because we wanting it to be real? Are we making
Speaker 2: it real? Ultimately? Right?
Speaker 1: So, I mean it could be the same, the exact
Speaker 1: same thing that everyone's talking about. It's just that in
Speaker 1: their belief it could be underground in fiery pits, and
Speaker 1: you know, it could also just be something that's just
Speaker 1: an energy penetrating this earth at times. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be many different or it could be a
Speaker 1: drag queen, could kinds of things.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not saying dragon by any means
Speaker 2: drag queens are evil at all.
Speaker 1: Oh honey, I can I can direct you to a few. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm always curious because I'm such a long time fan
Speaker 1: of watching these kinds of shows, Like what is what
Speaker 1: is the schedule? Like, like what do you I mean,
Speaker 1: are you are you guys doing from place to place
Speaker 1: like a tour situation, or do you kind of just
Speaker 1: like do a couple and then come back. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously quarantine happens and that kind of changes things, but generally,
Speaker 1: are you guys like bouncing around?
Speaker 2: So I try and come home every weekend because to kids,
Speaker 2: So I will we will often shoot Monday through Thursday,
Speaker 2: and then I'm on a flight Friday and then leave
Speaker 2: again Sunday. So wow, But we'll do two weeks out
Speaker 2: and then one week home, three weeks out, one week home.
Speaker 2: That's a normal schedule. And it's I mean those three
Speaker 2: week hits, those are tough on the soul because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you know, we're dealing with
Speaker 2: really macabre subject matters and it's and you're constantly on
Speaker 2: edge in these really creepy environments, and it like it
Speaker 2: it SAPs the energy.
Speaker 1: Right And what is I mean, what are like the hours, Like,
Speaker 1: are you guys there for like a full day and
Speaker 1: then yeah, just go back and come back.
Speaker 2: Twelve hour production days? You know that's kind of I mean,
Speaker 2: Katrina and I we're realistically needed for you know, nine
Speaker 2: of those twelve hours but yeah, it's it's a it's
Speaker 2: a full day there's and I'll tell you what it
Speaker 2: is not a overly luxurious production. It's not like we're
Speaker 2: making you know, Avatar too, where we got nice comfy
Speaker 2: trailers and five star shats. It's Chili's and you know,
Speaker 2: motel sex.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that must be so exciting for those
Speaker 1: small towns to have you guys come in there. Are
Speaker 1: you when you go back to your hotel?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I don't even know how because when I've gone ghost hunting,
Speaker 1: the second I go home, I'm like, Okay, that ghost
Speaker 1: is thinking about me, that ghost is waiting. That's all.
Speaker 1: I can't. I cannot unwind from them, Like what do you?
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm also always curious about people that work
Speaker 1: in this field, like them as humans, Like what like
Speaker 1: when you when you're done wrap, like when you're done shooting,
Speaker 1: are you just sort of like can you can you
Speaker 1: unwind from that? Or are you just like still caught
Speaker 1: up in it?
Speaker 2: Oh? I I definitely will will check out, like I will.
Speaker 2: I don't really watch horror anything spooky or scary when
Speaker 2: I'm away working, you know, I'll watch the office and
Speaker 2: you know some you know, light hearted stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: Katrina will always she's always watching Golden Girls when she's
Speaker 2: in her in her room. That's like have her jam
Speaker 2: and you tend to just kind of focus on healthy
Speaker 2: things and try and get some exercise in and try
Speaker 2: and find a decent meal somewhere. But it's, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a real weird I've never done I've
Speaker 2: never worked in TV like this because it's such a
Speaker 2: it's because it's so consuming spiritually, mentally and emotionally.
Speaker 1: But I mean you're like literally pioneer of the medium.
Speaker 1: Like you're one of the first people to do this
Speaker 1: kind of you know, unscripted docus ca series. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you are you so used to it at this
Speaker 1: point that it just seems normal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, to a degree. I mean it's i mean between
Speaker 2: you know, I was trying to count.
Speaker 1: It's like twenty years that you've been doing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be it'll be insane. Yeah, nineteen years. It's
Speaker 2: I've been working in TV, and so it's kind of
Speaker 2: weird to be like, oh, I'm thirty four, I've been
Speaker 2: working for nineteen years and a croft. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is kind of interesting. Because I you know, it is
Speaker 2: all I know. It's all I kind of know how
Speaker 2: to do, which is, you know, make reality shows. But
Speaker 2: it's you know, I don't know, it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: like all I know. At this point I would love
Speaker 2: to be able to kind of do something else. But
Speaker 2: at this point, I'm like, I'm twenty years in. Let's
Speaker 2: just see how long we how much longer we can
Speaker 2: ride this for?
Speaker 1: Well, you're good at it, and I appreciate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's wonderful to watch. I Also another thing I love
Speaker 1: about it is the equipment you guys use. I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you choose? Like now we're
Speaker 1: going to use this, Now we're going to use that
Speaker 1: is a case by case.
Speaker 2: It's it's case by case. And as weird as this sounds, it's, well,
Speaker 2: what did we use in other like what's what's what
Speaker 2: have people seen us use right now? Because a lot
Speaker 2: of times it's you know, viewers at home they want
Speaker 2: to see new things, and you know, we have so
Speaker 2: many different tools and little things and you know, object
Speaker 2: and we have we have like the biggest box of
Speaker 2: tricks imaginable, and so it's you know, we want to
Speaker 2: we want to keep things exciting for viewers at home.
Speaker 2: And sometimes that stuff gets results. Other times it's just like, eh,
Speaker 2: like it uh. At Thomas House, we had this new
Speaker 2: like em at that I forgot even what it was called,
Speaker 2: but I was like, Oh, this new fangle, great piece
Speaker 2: of tech. And our camera guy's rigged up a camera
Speaker 2: to like always be monitoring the dials on it, and
Speaker 2: and the thing just didn't ever work. And then we
Speaker 2: were investigating the location and we walked past an air
Speaker 2: conditioning unit and something about the air conditioning like blowing
Speaker 2: charged air like set this thing off. And everyone's like oh,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, this is the this is the
Speaker 2: ec conditioning.
Speaker 1: Well, there's also like that chance of the energy shutting
Speaker 1: things down, Like I think that happened. Was it the
Speaker 1: Fort William Henry? I think you guys were having issues.
Speaker 2: Huge, huge battery problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Everything. We were getting drains left and right. It was weird.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's something that is baffling to me
Speaker 2: when you see when you're like, I just put a
Speaker 2: brand new, fully charged you know, camera battery in this
Speaker 2: thing should have you know, four hours of use, and
Speaker 2: it's now reading zero.
Speaker 1: I know, somebody that can do that, like they have
Speaker 1: that ability. They can like make lights go out, like
Speaker 1: they can actually like shut it off. It's crazy. I've
Speaker 1: seen it.
Speaker 2: And it's not dumbled All with his magic light sucking device.
Speaker 1: It isn't. No, it's insane.
Speaker 2: Wow. And it's like this person will just at command,
Speaker 2: We'll do it.
Speaker 1: We were doing a live show and we had a
Speaker 1: device that stopped working and she, I don't know she
Speaker 1: has she can do I don't I don't think she
Speaker 1: can do it on command, but she can do it.
Speaker 1: There's a term for it. I can't think of what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: But now us I also love some Jedi stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, it's like a big spirit box. What's that thing
Speaker 1: that you guys use, the Katrina's GeoPort geoports that is good.
Speaker 2: That thing freaks me out. Man and I. For the
Speaker 2: longest time we're like, no, that's BS. That's just us
Speaker 2: kind of searching for you know, We're like descrambling mumble
Speaker 2: jumble to try and find it. This is all in
Speaker 2: our head. And one day we were doing an investigation
Speaker 2: and Katrina said, how many people are in the room
Speaker 2: right now? And the thing turned around. I went nine
Speaker 2: and then when nine people stood in the room.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's another compliment I'll give to the show
Speaker 1: is that from watching so many years of these shows,
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a special place in my heart
Speaker 1: for EVPs. And you know, it's sort of a joke
Speaker 1: at this point that somebody shows it's like, really, that's
Speaker 1: not that doesn't really sound like that. But you guys
Speaker 1: have good EVPs, like you guys, Actually they always sound
Speaker 1: exactly like what you guys think that they're sounding.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, no, it's it's it's That's what I love
Speaker 2: so much about our show is that we, like I
Speaker 2: and my show and our show runner Elaine and Katrina
Speaker 2: and I, we all kind of like we want to
Speaker 2: make a paranormal show that we would want to watch.
Speaker 2: And I'm sick of like grown ass men screaming and
Speaker 2: running down hallways of old abandoned prisons and like freaking out.
Speaker 2: I'm like guys off the like you know, however, many
Speaker 2: double digit seasons of whatever paranormalill show you're on, you're
Speaker 2: still freaking out like that, Like come on, Like, I
Speaker 2: get spooked big time. I'll get spooked all day long,
Speaker 2: but I'm not, I mean, not like that. It's just
Speaker 2: like and then when they get evidence, it's like, dude,
Speaker 2: like poke holes in it, figure it out, go like
Speaker 2: is this real? How could this be real? Could have
Speaker 2: been the wind, could have something, you know, was there
Speaker 2: a creepy floorboard? Like like it just it frustrates me.
Speaker 2: But the good thing is it gives us the opportunity
Speaker 2: to kind of do our do how we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean what what does scare you? Like?
Speaker 1: What what paranormal? Paranormal wise? Like what what? What can
Speaker 1: what's gotten you?
Speaker 2: I think it's the times we've had the jump scares,
Speaker 2: like when we've had had big bangs, like when we've
Speaker 2: had certain things happen in which would allude to some
Speaker 2: kind of aggressive energy that freaks me out. And ultimately
Speaker 2: like it's just the fields. Sometimes you go to places
Speaker 2: and it's just like everything in you is like get out.
Speaker 2: I was absolutely terrified at Eastern State Penitentiary, Like everything
Speaker 2: in my call was like leave here, now, go back
Speaker 2: to your hotel and go to bed, like don't don't
Speaker 2: be here. And I had like we had a lot
Speaker 2: of intense experiences that I saw a shadow walk out
Speaker 2: of one cell into another. I saw you know, we
Speaker 2: went up to the death row area, and this light
Speaker 2: started violently swinging right above my head. And then I
Speaker 2: had a very strange experience, and it's one of the
Speaker 2: only times it's ever happened where I looked into an
Speaker 2: area of the prison which would have been like the
Speaker 2: guiding hall, and I had like a full it was like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a vision because I didn't
Speaker 2: see it. It was like it was like someone implanted
Speaker 2: a memory in my head and I saw like in
Speaker 2: this memory, a guy walked to the window and like
Speaker 2: lean like up against the window and look at me,
Speaker 2: and I saw like the room full of people sat
Speaker 2: down eating and it was the weirdest experience I've ever had.
Speaker 2: I can't quite I don't even know what it was.
Speaker 2: Whoa It was like someone inserted a memory into my head.
Speaker 1: Were you like out of it or were you just
Speaker 1: sort of it was just sort of happening, and we're
Speaker 1: just just poking around and we walked.
Speaker 2: I walked into this area and I and I looked
Speaker 2: through this window and it was like as if like
Speaker 2: think about when, like I don't know what you like,
Speaker 2: when was the last like did you go do a
Speaker 2: grocery run last week? Or whatever, like think about that
Speaker 2: memory of like just walking through the grocery store and
Speaker 2: like just seeing shit Like that's what popped into my head. Wow,
Speaker 2: it felt like I had witnessed something there before, and
Speaker 2: I was remembering what I saw last time I was there.
Speaker 1: Do you I mean, it's kind of a stupid question,
Speaker 1: but do you have any way of rationalizing that or
Speaker 1: do you have any like explanation of how that can happen?
Speaker 2: Maybe imagination, you know, maybe that that I would say
Speaker 2: a rational could be. You know, maybe you were just
Speaker 2: imagining of what a scene in this dining hall would
Speaker 2: have been like from you know, nineteen thirty five. But
Speaker 2: I here's the crazy thing, Like the guy that I
Speaker 2: can I can still see the guy guy's face that
Speaker 2: looked at me, and he came right up to the
Speaker 2: window and he put one he put his like he
Speaker 2: put one hand up on like the vertical part of
Speaker 2: the window like where in bars, and one hand on
Speaker 2: like the window sill and just kind of like peered
Speaker 2: up to the window and like looked at me and
Speaker 2: he had these really had a really pronounced like widow's
Speaker 2: peak bowlding on top, very gaunt face and he just
Speaker 2: kind of looked at me and like turned back to
Speaker 2: the table that was full of people sat around eating.
Speaker 2: I don't but and it was a thing like I
Speaker 2: didn't see it with my own eyes, but it was
Speaker 2: like this memory like popped into my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you able to find like a picture of
Speaker 1: that guy by any chance?
Speaker 2: Nope, didn't find a picture. Looked through tons of stuff around.
Speaker 2: I was like, did I maybe see a picture of
Speaker 2: this guy? And I'm just imagining that this is what
Speaker 2: he would have done? I mean, and then I you know,
Speaker 2: we spoke to a medium and I was like, what
Speaker 2: could have been? And you know, she said that sometimes,
Speaker 2: you know, residual energy can appear as a memory.
Speaker 1: Do you want to listen to some ghost voices? Yes,
Speaker 1: it is time for EVP or ev plase, okay, Jack,
Speaker 1: I this is what I do. I go to YouTube
Speaker 1: and I look for EVPs of various places. Now I
Speaker 1: decided to go to places that you guys have been
Speaker 1: in Portals to Hell because you know, other people on
Speaker 1: YouTube have also been there and they've caught some things.
Speaker 1: And so I'm just basically gonna play these EVPs and
Speaker 1: I want you to guess either what you hear or
Speaker 1: what the what the ghost hunter might believe it says,
Speaker 1: And I'll give you a couple of options. So okay,
Speaker 1: this first one is from somebody on YouTube named Mike Robbins,
Speaker 1: and it is at the Iron Island Music Am in
Speaker 1: the Basement.
Speaker 2: Which, yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 1: I've been in Buffalo, right? Is that where West Buffalo,
Speaker 1: New York? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Buffalo?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, what do you hear? This is kind of
Speaker 1: hard to do over the phone, but we'll try it.
Speaker 1: What do you hear this ghost saying? Yeah, I played again?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: Want you to I don't want you to Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a whisper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't Okay, I don't want I don't want
Speaker 2: you to leave.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to leave. Okay, Well here it's
Speaker 1: gonna be one of these options. This is what they
Speaker 1: believe it said. Is it a ayahuasca? I don't like you?
Speaker 1: See I don't work here? Or d I know why? Cliff?
Speaker 1: Maybe they knew, you know, they wanted to let you
Speaker 1: know that they know the singer white Clip.
Speaker 2: I I hear I don't want you to leave, but
Speaker 2: I can see I don't work here. Is what they
Speaker 2: might have thought.
Speaker 1: Now who who haunted that one? Again? Was that there
Speaker 1: was a little kid in that one.
Speaker 2: There was everything from like a like a demonic entity,
Speaker 2: like a huge, big black shape with like you know,
Speaker 2: like a full on like devil figure. There was a
Speaker 2: little girl that was I mean, there's a lot because
Speaker 2: the place was a funeral a funeral home for a while,
Speaker 2: so lots of bodies were embombed there and and all that.
Speaker 2: So I mean when they moved in there was like
Speaker 2: they found like shelves and shelves of unclaimed ashes.
Speaker 1: Wow, well they believe it says I don't like you,
Speaker 1: which I can kind of hear too. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like you. I don't like it. I don't I see.
Speaker 2: But but like at the end, like you har moving around,
Speaker 2: but it almost sounds like it cuts off like I
Speaker 2: don't want you to leave. But I could hear I
Speaker 2: don't like you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, one more time, it's definitely I don't something. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's one more. This is from somebody on YouTube named
Speaker 1: A R. C Ohio and it is at Bobby Maggie's
Speaker 1: a classic Wilder Kentucky No I Have and I'm too scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, places some woogie boogie d that for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't the well room. And tell me what
Speaker 1: you think this ghost is saying. Okay, wait, this is
Speaker 1: sort of a deep spooky boys. All right, you can
Speaker 1: like kind to barely hear it one more time.
Speaker 2: I can't take that out.
Speaker 1: I know it's hard. Is it a chocolate milk? It's
Speaker 1: sort of like it. It sounds like that kind of
Speaker 1: voice chocolate. I'm doing a great impression chocolate milk. B
Speaker 1: don't go there see choke on this or D it's
Speaker 1: just nothing. Wait here, let me play it again.
Speaker 2: I mean, is it don't go through that.
Speaker 1: It's they believe it's choke on this, which I can.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely maybe he's a freak.
Speaker 2: Listen, he's like totally. He's like he's like Machine from
Speaker 2: was it Machine from eight Milimeter? Do you ever see
Speaker 2: that film?
Speaker 1: I have not seen that film, but that's a that's.
Speaker 2: A dog film.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's definitely easier to hear with headphones out.
Speaker 1: Let me play it one more time, okay.
Speaker 2: Joke condos, I kind of hear it.
Speaker 1: I have to ask, just because people that listen to
Speaker 1: the show know that my favorite TV show of all
Speaker 1: time is celebrity ghost stories and especially like the old
Speaker 1: format of the storytelling. And you were on it and
Speaker 1: you told the story about the haunted house that your
Speaker 1: family lives in in England. Does your family do they
Speaker 1: still own that house? Do you guys still live there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? They do? And Okay, so I'm gonna give you
Speaker 2: a bit of trickery. What they ended up doing was
Speaker 2: because we had two houses we lived in which were haunted,
Speaker 2: the house in England, which my family still owns, and
Speaker 2: the other one which was in Malibu, which was a
Speaker 2: beach house my parents owned for like five or six
Speaker 2: years and like some music producer owns it now. But yes,
Speaker 2: and both places are still very odd.
Speaker 1: But what do you mean? They did some trickery.
Speaker 2: So they kind of said, hey, listen, it's too confusing.
Speaker 2: Can we just blend the story to where it makes
Speaker 2: it sound like it's all one house. Because so they
Speaker 2: kind of did that versus differentiating one thing happened at
Speaker 2: one house in Malibu and one thing happened at a
Speaker 2: house in England.
Speaker 1: God, so what's going on at the house that you
Speaker 1: guys have in England. So my.
Speaker 2: Best friend who I grew up with, he will house
Speaker 2: sit for us in England when people that work there
Speaker 2: are on vacation. And he just had a baby, and
Speaker 2: this is very recently. He just had a baby and
Speaker 2: she woke up in the middle of the night and
Speaker 2: he went in there with his wife and they were
Speaker 2: just kind of getting her back to sleep and he
Speaker 2: was helping out and it was like three or four
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, and they could hear someone singing
Speaker 2: in the house, a female voice and someone singing, And
Speaker 2: they didn't say anything to each other at the moment,
Speaker 2: and then when they went and got back into bed,
Speaker 2: they were like, did you hear that? So they were
Speaker 2: like they both were like, yep, the singing. So that
Speaker 2: happened recently. Kelly had some stuff like fly off the
Speaker 2: shelf of her bathroom while she was in there, like
Speaker 2: not just fall off, like launch across the room. You know.
Speaker 2: I it's one of those places where when you're alone
Speaker 2: in that house, it is terrifying. Yeah, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean we've had that house for a million years
Speaker 2: and that now the current owner of the house in Malibu.
Speaker 2: We just got I got a message on Instagram from
Speaker 2: the guy's mother saying, Hey, did you ever experience anything
Speaker 2: paranormal here, because this place just goes off. And I
Speaker 2: was like absolutely, and I kind of shared with her
Speaker 2: on Instagram, like everything that happened to me.
Speaker 1: There, which is what can you give us a story?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: That was the place where my dad and I both
Speaker 2: saw the girl with long dark hair go running down
Speaker 2: the stairs.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you think it's the same girl
Speaker 1: that's that visited you in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Oh maybe it's my Maybe this girl is like my
Speaker 2: guardian angel, but yet very evil looking.
Speaker 1: I mean it could be.
Speaker 2: No. I don't, man, I don't know. I I put it,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think so. It doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: the same energy, you know, it doesn't feel like the
Speaker 2: same person to me. But I do think that that
Speaker 2: Malible house was haunted as ship.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what you seem to be one of
Speaker 1: these people that the ghosts just love. They can't get enough.
Speaker 2: I don't, man, you know, I actually I kind of
Speaker 2: disagree because when I want it's I never have the
Speaker 2: craziest stuff happened on investigations. It's usually pretty you know,
Speaker 2: every probably fifth time we go out, does something like shattering,
Speaker 2: like an Iron Island when the flashlight or that the
Speaker 2: Hell House in Texas when it sounded like someone beat
Speaker 2: the wall with a baseball bat. So it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, I guess the stuff that gets me really
Speaker 2: like freaked is I guess every fifth investigation really well.
Speaker 1: I just so appreciate you taking the time. Can you
Speaker 1: tell people you know where the show is? Where? Defined
Speaker 1: to you everything that's going on?
Speaker 2: Absolutely So, Portals to Hell is on Thursday nights at
Speaker 2: ten pm on Travel Channel and you can also download
Speaker 2: the Travel Travel Channel go app for free and you
Speaker 2: can check it out there too at your own leisure leisure.
Speaker 1: How have you said? Thank you Jack Osborne again, make
Speaker 1: sure you're watching Portals the Hell.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love.
Speaker 1: It And if you're a fan of the show, we
Speaker 1: also had Katrina Wideman is co host on the show
Speaker 1: last year at some point, so you can go back
Speaker 1: and listen to Katrino. She is a icon of the
Speaker 1: paranormal TV field. She's done so many different shows and
Speaker 1: investigated practically everywhere, so she has great stories as well,
Speaker 1: so go check that out. As always, you can find
Speaker 1: me on Instagram at Roz Dress Falas venmo Queen Roz
Speaker 1: joined the Facebook group ghosted by Roz dress Falas. There's
Speaker 1: been Oh my gosh, that reminds me. There is some
Speaker 1: insane stuff that is in Facebook group right now. You know,
Speaker 1: I've talked already that it seems like ghosts right now
Speaker 1: are kind of going crazy with everybody being quarantined. Well,
Speaker 1: there's been some more. There's been some videos and photos.
Speaker 1: I don't know how recent all this stuff actually was,
Speaker 1: I mean it was posted recently, but there is. Let
Speaker 1: me find it. There was a video of a what
Speaker 1: do you call those, like a nest camera, like an
Speaker 1: outdoor security camera, ring camera. Let's see who posted that.
Speaker 1: It was so crazy. There's like an orb that literally
Speaker 1: looks like a person walking. Oh it was Megan. Megan,
Speaker 1: thank you for posting it. She said that her friend
Speaker 1: had taken this video and you should check it out.
Speaker 1: There's also a human being walking in it that it
Speaker 1: seems we cannot tell if that human being is a
Speaker 1: ghost or alive. And Tracy, thank you for posting this
Speaker 1: photo in there.
Speaker 2: That it took me. I spent a little bit of
Speaker 2: time staring at this photo.
Speaker 1: It's of emmittt Kelly, who was I know because I
Speaker 1: come from the clown World.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: I have a weird obsession with clowns because my family
Speaker 1: comes from clown It's a whole other podcast, but anyway,
Speaker 1: there's a photo of a legendary clown named Emmit Kelly
Speaker 1: Junior who was a family friend of Tracy's, and there's
Speaker 1: a ghost in the Tracy also posted a great story
Speaker 1: about the ghost and this photo, but I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: it out, could not find the ghost. And then somebody
Speaker 1: in the comments said, oh, you've got to check out
Speaker 1: the woman's hair in the picture. You'll see an eyeball.
Speaker 1: And I looked at it and I threw my phone
Speaker 1: across the room.
Speaker 2: So check that out.
Speaker 1: But don't do it before bedtime because it's terrifying.
Speaker 2: So enjoin the Facebook.
Speaker 1: Grew and please rate the show five stars on Apple
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Speaker 1: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
Speaker 1: haunt me, don't haunt me.
Speaker 2: Gay bye.
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