Speaker 1: Dream Sequence is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Blumhouse Television,
Speaker 1: and Realm.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm such a bummer. Don't apologize. Life's hard
Speaker 2: and it's healthy to talk about it. People just think
Speaker 2: about their day and pretend everything's okay. So then you
Speaker 2: start wondering if maybe you're the only ones struggling and
Speaker 2: bumbling your way through life. But no one gets buried
Speaker 2: without scars. You know, I'm really glad you're here. Okay, same,
Speaker 2: are you anna optimist or a pessimist?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Do you think life's pain and grief with good shit
Speaker 2: in between? Or is life good shit with pain and
Speaker 2: grief in between?
Speaker 1: I think we'd all be happier dad, for.
Speaker 2: The most part, Is that really what you think? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It is. What's with the knife? It's for your throat?
Speaker 2: Oh seriously, it's not a joke. Here, take it for what, Josie,
Speaker 2: take the knife, put the bleed to your throat. Saw
Speaker 2: back and forth until you say, for the artery? Why
Speaker 2: is that so hard? Okay, you're scaring me. I'll do
Speaker 2: it for you.
Speaker 1: Then wait, it's.
Speaker 2: I just want you to be happy. Well that was something, huh,
Speaker 2: I thought you'd want to hear it. I know it's
Speaker 2: just a dream, but I'm still kind of offended. I
Speaker 2: thought we were becoming friends.
Speaker 4: I think you've become a symbol for her skepticism and
Speaker 4: fear of our treatment.
Speaker 2: But I'm the only one here who is involved in
Speaker 2: her treatment.
Speaker 4: That's true. But of course dreams aren't always logical that way.
Speaker 2: When you're analyzing a dream, are you operating from some
Speaker 2: kind of cheat sheet, like, Oh, a window open, but
Speaker 2: it let in a flood of swamp water. Windows mean
Speaker 2: opportunity in swamp water means you're screwed.
Speaker 4: That was the prevailing wisdom once, yes, but now it
Speaker 4: seems we know even less than we thought we did.
Speaker 4: How so, and worried anything I say today will be
Speaker 4: disproven in the future.
Speaker 2: In the future, someone will see further by standing on
Speaker 2: your shoulders, you're the giant. Very kind way to put it,
Speaker 2: that kind honest, Okay.
Speaker 4: At their core, dreams tend to be very primal. I'm
Speaker 4: afraid of that, I want to have sex with her.
Speaker 4: I'm jealous of him. The mind then constructs lose narratives
Speaker 4: around these basic emotions. Some are more literal, some are
Speaker 4: more avant garde. Let me show you an example, what
Speaker 4: are you doing?
Speaker 2: Why do you want me to die? Please? Please?
Speaker 4: Please? Yeah, if you boil it down. My working hypothesis
Speaker 4: is that to cure a parasomnia, you need to observe
Speaker 4: the primal emotion and its fear catalyst, and then reconcile them.
Speaker 4: I haven't been successful yet, but I'm hoping Josie will
Speaker 4: be the first.
Speaker 2: How would this reconciliation work in Josie's case?
Speaker 4: Well, if I only listen to her dreams, i'd say
Speaker 4: she has a fear of fire. But in our sessions,
Speaker 4: what is your relationship with her?
Speaker 2: We went out a few times, didn't work out. What
Speaker 2: kind of question is that?
Speaker 4: I apologize for the phrasing? Sometimes my sweetest doesn't translate well?
Speaker 4: I ask, because from your dream journal, fire appears to
Speaker 4: be a recurring element. Are there any unpleasant memories you
Speaker 4: have centered around fire?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Are you not being fully truthful Josie? She has denied it.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure why?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: When I talked to her, she didn't say she'd fear fire,
Speaker 2: but she did tell me she used to live in
Speaker 2: Wakeham Tower. What are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 3: You know how? Sometimes there's a word and you think
Speaker 3: you know what it means, then you experience something and
Speaker 3: you're like, Oh, that's what that word means. That's what
Speaker 3: it was like when I heard the static?
Speaker 2: What was the lord this time? Despair? How long did
Speaker 2: you listened to the static while you were trying to
Speaker 2: fix the mayor not eighteen hours? What do you think
Speaker 2: the static was?
Speaker 5: I think it's more or less exactly what you said,
Speaker 5: subliminal messaging to make you afraid.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense coming from a person's dream?
Speaker 5: I think there are ways to make it make sense.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about manifold?
Speaker 5: What's manifold?
Speaker 2: That's what Josie calls the dark figure that ruined her
Speaker 2: life and that you've been finding in everyone's dreams.
Speaker 5: Huh, manifold?
Speaker 2: That works? What exactly is your theory?
Speaker 5: I don't have a theory.
Speaker 2: I know you have a theory.
Speaker 5: Well, I take the word theory very seriously. What I
Speaker 5: have is a hypothesis.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you are so annoying. Just tell me
Speaker 2: what you're thinking.
Speaker 5: Our subjects are all very different people, color, creed, age, gender,
Speaker 5: and they're from all over the country. They've all dreamt
Speaker 5: of manifold, but don't a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people dream about shadowy creatures. I mean, it's not unique,
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 5: If you heard my voice in seven different audio tracks,
Speaker 5: wouldn't you assume that I was present for each recording.
Speaker 5: You can recognize my voice and assume it's me. I mean, yes,
Speaker 5: the Manifold growl is present in all seven subjects dreams.
Speaker 5: When you overlay the sound waves, they're a perfect match.
Speaker 5: It's not just a similar creature, it's the same creature.
Speaker 5: That's the premise.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you so far.
Speaker 5: Working from that, you might say, maybe they saw the
Speaker 5: same movie as children and it imprinted on their brains.
Speaker 5: That's not it. The subject's age ranges from eighteen to eighty.
Speaker 5: Maybe Manifold was subconsciously planted in their heads by some
Speaker 5: creepy art on the Sleep Center's walls that they all saw. Now,
Speaker 5: that's not it either. They've been dreaming about this figure
Speaker 5: for years, some even decades. You can go back and
Speaker 5: listen to Craig Ingram and Eliza Mason, Helen Pizzetti. They
Speaker 5: all said the same thing. And when you've eliminated the impossible,
Speaker 5: whatever remains is the truth. There's something, in some sense
Speaker 5: alive in our dreams.
Speaker 2: A sleep demon. Demons aren't real sleep ghost. It's an organism, okay,
Speaker 2: but not like an organism. Organism, Well, think about it.
Speaker 2: There are organisms that survive in hydrothermal events on the
Speaker 2: ocean floor. There are organisms that survive in subduction zones
Speaker 2: in two hundred and twenty degree heat. There are organisms
Speaker 2: that survive in the vacuum of one hundred years ago,
Speaker 2: scientists would have said that was impossible, and those are
Speaker 2: just carbon based life forms from our planet. All I'm
Speaker 2: saying is that organisms thrive in the most extreme and
Speaker 2: unlikely environments, So why not the human mind? So what
Speaker 2: does that make the static.
Speaker 5: A defense mechanism against interlopers in its natural habitat you
Speaker 5: sound insane? Imagine explaining the autom bomb to a caveman.
Speaker 2: Did you just compare me to a caveman?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Yes, hey, diego, is now a good time?
Speaker 7: You have two minutes? Really, they'll make a thing of it,
Speaker 7: or this is over.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you took me by.
Speaker 7: Surprise one hundred seconds.
Speaker 2: Okay, how'd you end up here?
Speaker 7: I was eighteen and my nephew was having nighttiares, So
Speaker 7: I researched and found this place. I found a link
Speaker 7: on one of the pages that led to a bunch
Speaker 7: of nonsense. I thought it was a bug at first,
Speaker 7: but it was a test.
Speaker 2: Now I'm here, I can see why she likes you.
Speaker 2: You are her people.
Speaker 7: How would you define her people?
Speaker 2: Goal oriented tunnel vision? Is that all a lack of empathy?
Speaker 2: An emotional voyd.
Speaker 7: I don't care to get to know you better. I
Speaker 7: don't care for you to get to know me better.
Speaker 7: I've participated because I understand their sacrifices you have to
Speaker 7: make in this life to keep the peace.
Speaker 2: You're going to find this annoying, but I find that sweet.
Speaker 2: Thanks for keeping the peace with me.
Speaker 7: I didn't do it for you, for my sister, then
Speaker 7: it's for neither of you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have a crush on Morgan. I
Speaker 2: do not, and you just confided that in me.
Speaker 7: I did not.
Speaker 2: I know you think I'm dumb, but there's only five
Speaker 2: people who work here, and if it's not for me
Speaker 2: or Sadie, it can only be the doc or Morgan.
Speaker 7: I had rock bottom expectations for how this would go,
Speaker 7: and it's so much worse than.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be, and it's so much better
Speaker 2: than I thought it would be. Secrets make friends. So
Speaker 2: we're kind of friends.
Speaker 7: Now, No, we're not. I've answered your question and now
Speaker 7: this is over.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. Buddy, we're not buddies, you sure,
Speaker 2: because I only keep secrets for my buddies.
Speaker 6: We'll work on it, as you can see behind me
Speaker 6: right now, wakem.
Speaker 2: Power is in claims.
Speaker 6: The fire started approximately three hours ago at six thirty am.
Speaker 6: About half of the six hundred tenants have been accounted
Speaker 6: for thus far. It's a horrific scene. You can feel
Speaker 6: the heat even where I'm standing forty feet away. The
Speaker 6: firefighters are doing their best to control the blaze. The
Speaker 6: surrounding buildings have been evacuated. A firefighter just ran out
Speaker 6: of the building with a young girl her conditioners on here.
Speaker 2: Joy shit deposit, that's her. That has to be her
Speaker 2: cut on the cheek matches her scar. She didn't miss
Speaker 2: a fire by a day. She was in the fucking building.
Speaker 2: I mean she lied to both of us.
Speaker 4: Why I don't think she was lying?
Speaker 2: Not exactly. Man, this is heavy. I wonder everyone's so
Speaker 2: stressed out all the time. What happens next?
Speaker 4: She has to face the fire? What do you mean
Speaker 4: she has to watch the YouTube video?
Speaker 5: Is this a gimmick?
Speaker 2: Is what a gimmick?
Speaker 5: Your frozen chicken nugget and fries meal that you have
Speaker 5: almost every night? Is it beneficial to your brand or
Speaker 5: something to eat like a five year old?
Speaker 2: Is your drinking a gimmick? I think it's cool to
Speaker 2: walk around with a coffee mug full of Scotch.
Speaker 5: If you maintain the right level of inebriation, it improves
Speaker 5: cognitive function. It's called the Balmer peak. It's proven signs,
Speaker 5: just like how eating nuggets and fries every day will
Speaker 5: kill you before you're fifty. You know what. I'm sorry
Speaker 5: I brought it up. I care about you, that's all.
Speaker 5: But I apologize all good. Andrews tells me you helped
Speaker 5: to make a breakthrough with Josie, and that's generous and
Speaker 5: you're very valuable here. I'm proud of you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: I have a confession to make. Really, when I called
Speaker 5: you a few weeks ago, it wasn't a sleep dial.
Speaker 5: I know I was drunk, listening Tonightmares.
Speaker 2: Humble down the Balmer peak, huh.
Speaker 5: I didn't have the courage to contact you sober even
Speaker 5: when you called me out, and I couldn't admit the
Speaker 5: truth that it was a decision. Since you've been here,
Speaker 5: I've been happier, and I wanted you to know that.
Speaker 2: You were unfucking believable. You know that what I mean.
Speaker 2: When we were growing up, it was like you were
Speaker 2: this once in a generation genius and I was just
Speaker 2: your dumb sister. But I loved you so much and
Speaker 2: I've missed you so much. And since i've been here,
Speaker 2: we'll have these moments where I forget why I haven't
Speaker 2: talked to you in seven years, and it's just like
Speaker 2: it used to be. And then and then I remember
Speaker 2: what you did.
Speaker 5: You abandoned me, you know.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 5: Instead of grieving with me, you threatened me and cut
Speaker 5: me out of your life. You didn't die, but I
Speaker 5: still lost everyone that night.
Speaker 2: You're mad at me. You drugged and killed our parents,
Speaker 2: You fucking psycho bitch.
Speaker 7: Are you too all right?
Speaker 2: It wasn't us. Came from Josie's room. Josie, are you okay?
Speaker 2: I know what Manifold is.
Speaker 1: You're listening to dream Sequence written and created by Andrew
Speaker 1: Martin Robinson, directed by Dave Beasley and John Brooks. Executive
Speaker 1: producers are Molly Barton, John Brooks, Dave Beasley, and Marcy
Speaker 1: Wiseman for realm Alex Williams, Matt Frederick and Trevor Young
Speaker 1: for iHeart Podcasts, Chris Dicky and Noah Feinberg for Blumhouse Television,
Speaker 1: starring Jesse Case and Alice Kremelberg, with performances by Shalini,
Speaker 1: Bethina Einer, Gunn, Nick Osborne, Winifred, Anne Concannon, Tara Brown,
Speaker 1: Emily Barry, Linnelle Scott, Shannon McClung, Dave Huber, Hugo Armstrong, Cooper, Tomilson,
Speaker 1: Joel Haberley, Simaj Miller, Dean Simone, and Brian Finney. Additional
Speaker 1: voices by Patrick Higney, Fred Greenhalge, John Brooks, Christina Teleska,
Speaker 1: and Kaylan West. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy CSA and
Speaker 1: Meg Mormon CSA. Producers for realm are Fred Greenholge, Marcus Thorne,
Speaker 1: Bagala and Rhoda Bayessa. Associate producer Michael Colter, Production manager
Speaker 1: Devin Shepherd, Production coordinator Angela Yee. Dialogue editing by Corey Barton,
Speaker 1: Sound designed by Rory O'sha and Dan Powell. Final mixed
Speaker 1: by Kaylan West. Original score composed by Marcus Thorne. Begala
Speaker 1: Songs for Josie by Kaylan West, recorded at Real Voice
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and Citybox, New York City. This podcast was
Speaker 1: recorded under a SAG after collective bargaining agreement. Dream Sequence
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