WEBVTT - Episode 3

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<v Speaker 1>Dream Sequence is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Blumhouse Television,

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<v Speaker 1>and Realm.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm such a bummer. Don't apologize. Life's hard

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<v Speaker 2>and it's healthy to talk about it. People just think

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<v Speaker 2>about their day and pretend everything's okay. So then you

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<v Speaker 2>start wondering if maybe you're the only ones struggling and

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<v Speaker 2>bumbling your way through life. But no one gets buried

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<v Speaker 2>without scars. You know, I'm really glad you're here. Okay, same,

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<v Speaker 2>are you anna optimist or a pessimist?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think life's pain and grief with good shit

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<v Speaker 2>in between? Or is life good shit with pain and

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<v Speaker 2>grief in between?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we'd all be happier dad, for.

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<v Speaker 2>The most part, Is that really what you think? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>It is. What's with the knife? It's for your throat?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh seriously, it's not a joke. Here, take it for what, Josie,

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<v Speaker 2>take the knife, put the bleed to your throat. Saw

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth until you say, for the artery? Why

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<v Speaker 2>is that so hard? Okay, you're scaring me. I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>it for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Then wait, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want you to be happy. Well that was something, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you'd want to hear it. I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a dream, but I'm still kind of offended. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought we were becoming friends.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you've become a symbol for her skepticism and

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<v Speaker 4>fear of our treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm the only one here who is involved in

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<v Speaker 2>her treatment.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true. But of course dreams aren't always logical that way.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're analyzing a dream, are you operating from some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of cheat sheet, like, Oh, a window open, but

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<v Speaker 2>it let in a flood of swamp water. Windows mean

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity in swamp water means you're screwed.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the prevailing wisdom once, yes, but now it

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<v Speaker 4>seems we know even less than we thought we did.

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<v Speaker 4>How so, and worried anything I say today will be

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<v Speaker 4>disproven in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>In the future, someone will see further by standing on

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<v Speaker 2>your shoulders, you're the giant. Very kind way to put it,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind honest, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>At their core, dreams tend to be very primal. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>afraid of that, I want to have sex with her.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm jealous of him. The mind then constructs lose narratives

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<v Speaker 4>around these basic emotions. Some are more literal, some are

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<v Speaker 4>more avant garde. Let me show you an example, what

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<v Speaker 4>are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you want me to die? Please? Please?

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<v Speaker 4>Please? Yeah, if you boil it down. My working hypothesis

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<v Speaker 4>is that to cure a parasomnia, you need to observe

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<v Speaker 4>the primal emotion and its fear catalyst, and then reconcile them.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't been successful yet, but I'm hoping Josie will

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<v Speaker 4>be the first.

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<v Speaker 2>How would this reconciliation work in Josie's case?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if I only listen to her dreams, i'd say

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<v Speaker 4>she has a fear of fire. But in our sessions,

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<v Speaker 4>what is your relationship with her?

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<v Speaker 2>We went out a few times, didn't work out. What

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<v Speaker 2>kind of question is that?

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<v Speaker 4>I apologize for the phrasing? Sometimes my sweetest doesn't translate well?

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<v Speaker 4>I ask, because from your dream journal, fire appears to

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<v Speaker 4>be a recurring element. Are there any unpleasant memories you

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<v Speaker 4>have centered around fire?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you not being fully truthful Josie? She has denied it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure why?

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<v Speaker 2>Huh?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 2>When I talked to her, she didn't say she'd fear fire,

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<v Speaker 2>but she did tell me she used to live in

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<v Speaker 2>Wakeham Tower. What are you looking at me like that?

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<v Speaker 3>You know how? Sometimes there's a word and you think

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<v Speaker 3>you know what it means, then you experience something and

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, Oh, that's what that word means. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>it was like when I heard the static?

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<v Speaker 2>What was the lord this time? Despair? How long did

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<v Speaker 2>you listened to the static while you were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>fix the mayor not eighteen hours? What do you think

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<v Speaker 2>the static was?

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's more or less exactly what you said,

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<v Speaker 5>subliminal messaging to make you afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense coming from a person's dream?

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<v Speaker 5>I think there are ways to make it make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you talking about manifold?

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<v Speaker 5>What's manifold?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Josie calls the dark figure that ruined her

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<v Speaker 2>life and that you've been finding in everyone's dreams.

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<v Speaker 5>Huh, manifold?

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<v Speaker 2>That works? What exactly is your theory?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have a theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you have a theory.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I take the word theory very seriously. What I

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<v Speaker 5>have is a hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you are so annoying. Just tell me

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<v Speaker 2>what you're thinking.

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<v Speaker 5>Our subjects are all very different people, color, creed, age, gender,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're from all over the country. They've all dreamt

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<v Speaker 5>of manifold, but don't a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people dream about shadowy creatures. I mean, it's not unique,

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<v Speaker 2>is it.

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<v Speaker 5>If you heard my voice in seven different audio tracks,

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't you assume that I was present for each recording.

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<v Speaker 5>You can recognize my voice and assume it's me. I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>the Manifold growl is present in all seven subjects dreams.

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<v Speaker 5>When you overlay the sound waves, they're a perfect match.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not just a similar creature, it's the same creature.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the premise.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm with you so far.

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<v Speaker 5>Working from that, you might say, maybe they saw the

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<v Speaker 5>same movie as children and it imprinted on their brains.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not it. The subject's age ranges from eighteen to eighty.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe Manifold was subconsciously planted in their heads by some

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<v Speaker 5>creepy art on the Sleep Center's walls that they all saw. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>that's not it either. They've been dreaming about this figure

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<v Speaker 5>for years, some even decades. You can go back and

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<v Speaker 5>listen to Craig Ingram and Eliza Mason, Helen Pizzetti. They

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<v Speaker 5>all said the same thing. And when you've eliminated the impossible,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever remains is the truth. There's something, in some sense

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<v Speaker 5>alive in our dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>A sleep demon. Demons aren't real sleep ghost. It's an organism, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but not like an organism. Organism, Well, think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>There are organisms that survive in hydrothermal events on the

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<v Speaker 2>ocean floor. There are organisms that survive in subduction zones

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<v Speaker 2>in two hundred and twenty degree heat. There are organisms

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<v Speaker 2>that survive in the vacuum of one hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>scientists would have said that was impossible, and those are

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<v Speaker 2>just carbon based life forms from our planet. All I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying is that organisms thrive in the most extreme and

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<v Speaker 2>unlikely environments, So why not the human mind? So what

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<v Speaker 2>does that make the static.

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<v Speaker 5>A defense mechanism against interlopers in its natural habitat you

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<v Speaker 5>sound insane? Imagine explaining the autom bomb to a caveman.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you just compare me to a caveman?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, hey, diego, is now a good time?

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<v Speaker 7>You have two minutes? Really, they'll make a thing of it,

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<v Speaker 7>or this is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you took me by.

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<v Speaker 7>Surprise one hundred seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how'd you end up here?

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<v Speaker 7>I was eighteen and my nephew was having nighttiares, So

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<v Speaker 7>I researched and found this place. I found a link

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<v Speaker 7>on one of the pages that led to a bunch

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<v Speaker 7>of nonsense. I thought it was a bug at first,

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<v Speaker 7>but it was a test.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm here, I can see why she likes you.

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<v Speaker 2>You are her people.

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<v Speaker 7>How would you define her people?

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<v Speaker 2>Goal oriented tunnel vision? Is that all a lack of empathy?

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<v Speaker 2>An emotional voyd.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't care to get to know you better. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't care for you to get to know me better.

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<v Speaker 7>I've participated because I understand their sacrifices you have to

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<v Speaker 7>make in this life to keep the peace.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to find this annoying, but I find that sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for keeping the peace with me.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't do it for you, for my sister, then

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<v Speaker 7>it's for neither of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you have a crush on Morgan. I

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<v Speaker 2>do not, and you just confided that in me.

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<v Speaker 7>I did not.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you think I'm dumb, but there's only five

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<v Speaker 2>people who work here, and if it's not for me

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<v Speaker 2>or Sadie, it can only be the doc or Morgan.

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<v Speaker 7>I had rock bottom expectations for how this would go,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's so much worse than.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it would be, and it's so much better

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<v Speaker 2>than I thought it would be. Secrets make friends. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of friends.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, No, we're not. I've answered your question and now

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<v Speaker 7>this is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for your time. Buddy, we're not buddies, you sure,

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<v Speaker 2>because I only keep secrets for my buddies.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll work on it, as you can see behind me

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<v Speaker 6>right now, wakem.

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<v Speaker 2>Power is in claims.

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<v Speaker 6>The fire started approximately three hours ago at six thirty am.

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<v Speaker 6>About half of the six hundred tenants have been accounted

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<v Speaker 6>for thus far. It's a horrific scene. You can feel

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<v Speaker 6>the heat even where I'm standing forty feet away. The

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<v Speaker 6>firefighters are doing their best to control the blaze. The

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<v Speaker 6>surrounding buildings have been evacuated. A firefighter just ran out

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<v Speaker 6>of the building with a young girl her conditioners on here.

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<v Speaker 2>Joy shit deposit, that's her. That has to be her

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<v Speaker 2>cut on the cheek matches her scar. She didn't miss

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<v Speaker 2>a fire by a day. She was in the fucking building.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she lied to both of us.

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<v Speaker 4>Why I don't think she was lying?

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<v Speaker 2>Not exactly. Man, this is heavy. I wonder everyone's so

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<v Speaker 2>stressed out all the time. What happens next?

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<v Speaker 4>She has to face the fire? What do you mean

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<v Speaker 4>she has to watch the YouTube video?

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<v Speaker 5>Is this a gimmick?

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<v Speaker 2>Is what a gimmick?

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<v Speaker 5>Your frozen chicken nugget and fries meal that you have

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<v Speaker 5>almost every night? Is it beneficial to your brand or

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<v Speaker 5>something to eat like a five year old?

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<v Speaker 2>Is your drinking a gimmick? I think it's cool to

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<v Speaker 2>walk around with a coffee mug full of Scotch.

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<v Speaker 5>If you maintain the right level of inebriation, it improves

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<v Speaker 5>cognitive function. It's called the Balmer peak. It's proven signs,

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<v Speaker 5>just like how eating nuggets and fries every day will

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<v Speaker 5>kill you before you're fifty. You know what. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 5>I brought it up. I care about you, that's all.

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<v Speaker 5>But I apologize all good. Andrews tells me you helped

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<v Speaker 5>to make a breakthrough with Josie, and that's generous and

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<v Speaker 5>you're very valuable here. I'm proud of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a confession to make. Really, when I called

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<v Speaker 5>you a few weeks ago, it wasn't a sleep dial.

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<v Speaker 5>I know I was drunk, listening Tonightmares.

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<v Speaker 2>Humble down the Balmer peak, huh.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't have the courage to contact you sober even

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<v Speaker 5>when you called me out, and I couldn't admit the

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<v Speaker 5>truth that it was a decision. Since you've been here,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been happier, and I wanted you to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You were unfucking believable. You know that what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were growing up, it was like you were

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<v Speaker 2>this once in a generation genius and I was just

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<v Speaker 2>your dumb sister. But I loved you so much and

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<v Speaker 2>I've missed you so much. And since i've been here,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have these moments where I forget why I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>talked to you in seven years, and it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be. And then and then I remember

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<v Speaker 2>what you did.

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<v Speaker 5>You abandoned me, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What.

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<v Speaker 5>Instead of grieving with me, you threatened me and cut

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<v Speaker 5>me out of your life. You didn't die, but I

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<v Speaker 5>still lost everyone that night.

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<v Speaker 2>You're mad at me. You drugged and killed our parents,

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<v Speaker 2>You fucking psycho bitch.

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<v Speaker 7>Are you too all right?

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't us. Came from Josie's room. Josie, are you okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I know what Manifold is.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to dream Sequence written and created by Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Robinson, directed by Dave Beasley and John Brooks. Executive

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<v Speaker 1>producers are Molly Barton, John Brooks, Dave Beasley, and Marcy

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<v Speaker 1>Wiseman for realm Alex Williams, Matt Frederick and Trevor Young

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<v Speaker 1>for iHeart Podcasts, Chris Dicky and Noah Feinberg for Blumhouse Television,

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<v Speaker 1>starring Jesse Case and Alice Kremelberg, with performances by Shalini,

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<v Speaker 1>Bethina Einer, Gunn, Nick Osborne, Winifred, Anne Concannon, Tara Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Barry, Linnelle Scott, Shannon McClung, Dave Huber, Hugo Armstrong, Cooper, Tomilson,

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<v Speaker 1>Joel Haberley, Simaj Miller, Dean Simone, and Brian Finney. Additional

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<v Speaker 1>voices by Patrick Higney, Fred Greenhalge, John Brooks, Christina Teleska,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kaylan West. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy CSA and

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<v Speaker 1>Meg Mormon CSA. Producers for realm are Fred Greenholge, Marcus Thorne,

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<v Speaker 1>Bagala and Rhoda Bayessa. Associate producer Michael Colter, Production manager

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<v Speaker 1>Devin Shepherd, Production coordinator Angela Yee. Dialogue editing by Corey Barton,

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<v Speaker 1>Sound designed by Rory O'sha and Dan Powell. Final mixed

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<v Speaker 1>by Kaylan West. Original score composed by Marcus Thorne. Begala

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<v Speaker 1>Songs for Josie by Kaylan West, recorded at Real Voice

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles and Citybox, New York City. This podcast was

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<v Speaker 1>recorded under a SAG after collective bargaining agreement. Dream Sequence

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Blumhouse Television, and Realm.

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<v Speaker 1>Find more great podcasts by visiting the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>or wherever you listen to your favorite show.