Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay, Hi,
Speaker 1: I don't mind our like pillow talk voices Jason everything
Speaker 1: in the other room. It does sound like the lad
Speaker 1: talk because it's like, Hi, welcome to wind down. This
Speaker 1: is Janne and Catherine. Really beautiful, by the way, Thank you,
Speaker 1: so do you? I feel like we both wore makeup.
Speaker 1: We did. It's just a new thing we try sometimes. Um,
Speaker 1: I wrapped the movie yesterday. I can't believe that that
Speaker 1: was so fast. Well usually, I mean, yeah, I filmed
Speaker 1: it was Usually they do it in fifteen sixteen days.
Speaker 1: We did in fifteen, which is just insane. But um,
Speaker 1: this was like the first time I wasn't in every
Speaker 1: I wasn't in every scene, Like I wasn't number one.
Speaker 1: So I didn't work all day. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: I was telling my hair and make it people, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's harder to be there only for
Speaker 1: a few scenes then like all day because I'm like
Speaker 1: I want to go home, you know where. It's like
Speaker 1: when you know you have to be there all day,
Speaker 1: it's like you've already just like accepted you have to
Speaker 1: be there all day. Yeah. Yeah, Um, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you switched the scenes like what I wanted, you know, so,
Speaker 1: but it was I had so much fun. I had
Speaker 1: like that cast was so cool, Mario was awesome. The
Speaker 1: dancing I kind of messed up on like the last
Speaker 1: day with a dancing that just I'm not good at
Speaker 1: hip hop. I'm just to do hip hop again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but Spencer was there. It was like a
Speaker 1: great choreographer who helped us. But it's still I'm just like,
Speaker 1: for some reason, like my hips don't move well. And
Speaker 1: I feel like you're either good at hip hop or
Speaker 1: you're good at like lyrical ballet type. Like it's just
Speaker 1: two different types. Yea, And I feel like I'm way
Speaker 1: better at Yeah, you're great at whatever that is, lyrical jazz,
Speaker 1: one of those contemporary and I scared her battery and
Speaker 1: I know, but that was so I hope. I hope
Speaker 1: when people watch it they're not like she's a dance
Speaker 1: teacher mary an actress first, Okay, Okay, that's good. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was. Yeah, it was a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and I yeah really pumped for you guys to see
Speaker 1: it because it was it was really fun to make.
Speaker 1: So I hope it turns out. I hope you try.
Speaker 1: So you're in lifetime. Lifetime, it's a wonderful lifetime and
Speaker 1: it'll be obviously you know, Christmas time. So and Mario
Speaker 1: was cool. Mario was so cool. Um yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: like it was you know, good chemistry. We um, we
Speaker 1: had fun together, Like we laughed a lot. I'll probably
Speaker 1: say he's like my favorite. I think he's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite co stars I've ever had. Like he's really cool. Um,
Speaker 1: he is so busy, so it's hard at times to
Speaker 1: be like all right, Mario, like come on, Like he's
Speaker 1: got like a million different things he's doing so that,
Speaker 1: but now he's really great. He's a good scene partner.
Speaker 1: And we would be like, hey, so, um, can we
Speaker 1: tell each other if it sucks so we can do
Speaker 1: it again. So he'd be like does it suck? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think you do better and then you
Speaker 1: would do the same for me. But like I loved
Speaker 1: it because um, when we did do good, like we
Speaker 1: knew that the person meant it. He's good. So that
Speaker 1: was that was really fun. So um good. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: a few other things I'm not ready to talk about yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't seen you in a while. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm lay a minute. It's I feel like whenever I
Speaker 1: do movies, It's like, I know, I feel like I
Speaker 1: have we have to have like a two week catchup,
Speaker 1: three week catch up. There was something else I was
Speaker 1: going to say, and now I can't remember, but I know,
Speaker 1: riveting conversation. Um, how are you though? Everything good? I'm good? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's really nothing new in my world. So we have
Speaker 1: an in person guest today. This is who is gonna
Speaker 1: be good? Katherine's like, where's my popcorn? I brought it? Um,
Speaker 1: So we are going to have Jonathan check on the show. Um,
Speaker 1: who I technically married? How many years ago? With that
Speaker 1: technically married? Oh gosh, I'm gonna look it up for
Speaker 1: twelve something like that. We were only married for about
Speaker 1: a week. Um we had and then and then. But
Speaker 1: the whole people that have been like avid listeners have
Speaker 1: wine not obviously know that. Um My, one of my
Speaker 1: best friends, part of our queendom, in our group chat
Speaker 1: is his wife Julie Solomon. Um. And there was like
Speaker 1: a little hiccup that happened with mine John's relationship, and
Speaker 1: so we just and I had written him an email.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we'll explain it. But long story short,
Speaker 1: we're going to have him on the show, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be in a men's show because y'all have
Speaker 1: not talked since Nope, I mean we've talked since obviously,
Speaker 1: like the now yeah were good and then they were
Speaker 1: yah yeah, and which we talked about on the pot
Speaker 1: like yeah, well, and then I'll kind of refresh people
Speaker 1: the memory with that. Um, oh my god, did you
Speaker 1: see the US weekly thing about the mommy shammer? They
Speaker 1: put it on yours? Yeah, I mean I saw what
Speaker 1: you posted. They put on this weekly. They did because
Speaker 1: they were like I actually was like happy with the
Speaker 1: fact that they like there were so many kids, you know,
Speaker 1: like people are really mean to me. I'm on those comments.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, here we go. They're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me how bad of a mom I am. But
Speaker 1: then there were so many people that were like, you know,
Speaker 1: when your kid is sick, like I can't cancel filming.
Speaker 1: I called them and was like, Hey, is there any
Speaker 1: way to move around the scenes so I can spend
Speaker 1: the morning with her because my ex couldn't get her. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't have a family. When I
Speaker 1: was sick, I'd get dropped off at like my grandparents
Speaker 1: or like my aunt will come over. And that was
Speaker 1: the funny time when she tried to make tapioco in
Speaker 1: the food those uh, the spoon gots stuck in the tapioca,
Speaker 1: because you'd know how to make it. Became know, it's
Speaker 1: like my one thing I knew when I'm sick. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's like when the current girls like she's dumping
Speaker 1: her off it like her friends, like your terrible mom
Speaker 1: basically for not taking off work. Most people can't take
Speaker 1: off work like that. I can guarantee the majority of
Speaker 1: people who work normal jobs cannot just call in sick.
Speaker 1: They can't. I mean they have a certain amount of
Speaker 1: sick days. I mean that happens all the time. So
Speaker 1: that Mama, I want to do well. It's the thing
Speaker 1: that like kind of baffles me about the whole situation
Speaker 1: is like when I read it, and there was like
Speaker 1: one or two other ones too in the d m
Speaker 1: S about just being like why wouldn't you and like
Speaker 1: why isn't her dad. It's like listen, like he has
Speaker 1: a job too, and he you know, he couldn't get
Speaker 1: her um And you know, my day. So I had
Speaker 1: to figure it out and I was going to take
Speaker 1: her to set with me, but at the same time
Speaker 1: she's puking, So I'm like, godly, this is you know,
Speaker 1: so thankfully like Pamelin you know, came to the rescue
Speaker 1: for that. But when I looked at the name and
Speaker 1: it said like mama of Angel, I was like, why
Speaker 1: is it that any hate I ever get is from
Speaker 1: other moms because they think that they have it all
Speaker 1: figured out? But that just like baffles me. I'm fine
Speaker 1: with a few dms or people are like, hey, f y,
Speaker 1: I like the child, like you know, seat needs to
Speaker 1: like the head, and I'm like, okay, cool, like thank you,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not really shaming me. It's more like
Speaker 1: you're trying to just be like helpful that sometimes yeah,
Speaker 1: Jay's strap thing is a little like lower than maybe
Speaker 1: it should or higher or whatever. Um. But when it
Speaker 1: comes to like straight up like just like how could
Speaker 1: you or why would you do? And like and it's
Speaker 1: always from a mom. It's always been moms like what
Speaker 1: I don't understand why why? Here's the thing? Like I
Speaker 1: don't agree with Kristen that she co sleeps, but I
Speaker 1: would never like and I'm like, it doesn't work for me,
Speaker 1: but hey, if it works for you, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think it's like but something I say, I don't want
Speaker 1: to agree with it, but I'm like, that just doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't work for us. I'm not going to shame her
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you shouldn't be doing that because
Speaker 1: your kid's going to have you know, this, that or whatever, Like, no,
Speaker 1: that's if it works for you. Cool. It doesn't work
Speaker 1: for you, great, Okay, if you got to go do that, great, Like,
Speaker 1: and then I started to think about something's coming up
Speaker 1: where I might have to be away from the kids
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and I'm like, well, here we go.
Speaker 1: Like I'm starting like the shaming comes from like the
Speaker 1: fear of the other mom shaming me, Like your shame
Speaker 1: comes from other freaking moms. I'm like, how cool is that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's terrible. Yeah, I don't know why they do it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I really don't. I do think to
Speaker 1: an extent, people think, obviously, because your life is out
Speaker 1: there obviously, that they can just say whatever they want
Speaker 1: to say, you know, but people have to stop that,
Speaker 1: Like it's just they can't just don't know the shaming,
Speaker 1: and it's getting better. I feel like people are definitely
Speaker 1: more aware of that. But online, you know, people hide
Speaker 1: behind the messages. You just have to not let it
Speaker 1: get to you. Just like like you told me, don't
Speaker 1: read the don't read the comments. Yeah no, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just it just it honestly makes me sad that, like
Speaker 1: moms are that judgmental. Yeah, I mean, and it's been
Speaker 1: since I've had kids from the I don't how dare
Speaker 1: I not make real food for my children? And I
Speaker 1: have gave them glass bottles of food like remember that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was so excited to go buy those
Speaker 1: baby food jars because like first time mom, getting the jars,
Speaker 1: like putting them on the thing. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: real food, Like yeah, okay, I don't have time to
Speaker 1: like make the blended smooth and food like I just didn't.
Speaker 1: I tried, I got it all, got all the things
Speaker 1: to make the real food, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: stressing me out. I can't do this. I think you
Speaker 1: just have to stay in solid in your decisions. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like the breast milk versus breastfed versus bottle fed,
Speaker 1: Like I bottle fed and had formula, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care what anyone says. And
Speaker 1: I mean I had all my own family being like,
Speaker 1: why are you not breast fading? Because I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You just have to like it's tough, but stop the judging.
Speaker 1: I think I just heard the doorable rings. So let's
Speaker 1: take a break and get our guests on. Okay, welcome everybody.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Shack onto the podcast. Everybody. Um, So I didn't
Speaker 1: really give like a I didn't really give, and I said, um,
Speaker 1: kind of this should be like that people know Julie
Speaker 1: cause I've had Julian on the show Bunch your wife,
Speaker 1: my bestie, um, my part of my queendom. And so
Speaker 1: I've i've kind of what we just said, like that
Speaker 1: we were all friends and um we were married for
Speaker 1: a hot minute. Um. And then so where do you
Speaker 1: want to start? I want to start? Yeah, where do
Speaker 1: you want to start? Oh, when you were in the
Speaker 1: bathroom stall of that reality program? Do you know this?
Speaker 1: So she you were on a what was it or
Speaker 1: something like that. We're going all the way back then, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can hang with that. We're
Speaker 1: starting from this is the beginning of our courtship. We
Speaker 1: were going to start there. Let's just go back to
Speaker 1: we were both on prom Night and your your grandmama
Speaker 1: and your father? What were they on the set? No? Dad,
Speaker 1: it was your dad was definitely my dad? Was there?
Speaker 1: Your grandma? I don't remember that at all. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: all I remember is I think I was. I was
Speaker 1: like twenty five six, like I don't know it was.
Speaker 1: And Jonathan, um it was the killer in prom Night
Speaker 1: spoiler alert if you haven't seen it. And um, I
Speaker 1: just remember going like, oh my god, that's the hot
Speaker 1: guy from that thing you do. Because I grew up
Speaker 1: on that show. You know, he was the I quit guy. So, um,
Speaker 1: it was a movie, not a show. Okay, Well don't
Speaker 1: they call them all shows now? Movies? No? No, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe that's the lingo it was. It was a Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks film. It was a Tom Hanks film. It was
Speaker 1: a kind of like a cult classic in a way.
Speaker 1: It's grown, it's always continues to grow. People love that movie.
Speaker 1: It's a feel good films. So people can watch it
Speaker 1: the same as if they watched it years ago. Can
Speaker 1: we before we get into the other stuff? Can Because
Speaker 1: I just remember the story from that thing you do
Speaker 1: and how you actually got that part? Can you just
Speaker 1: sell that like that you basically made up that last part.
Speaker 1: So the lines were I quit and he left the
Speaker 1: band and I chose to in the audition room and
Speaker 1: oppretendingly there was a microphone and I was like I
Speaker 1: quit quit something like that, because yeah, I was a singer,
Speaker 1: so of course, like naturally like you took that solve
Speaker 1: the script and was like, I'm gonna sing that. And
Speaker 1: that's when they you're trying to get a coach acting
Speaker 1: lesson out of this. I am. I haven't really missed
Speaker 1: the acting lesson. Just tell you if anything that the
Speaker 1: men's will do, I really need you to start teaching
Speaker 1: coaching me. Um. Yeah. So I sang it and Tom
Speaker 1: just I was just run out of the room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I also not only did I sing it, and
Speaker 1: then I knew that the energy was like I connected
Speaker 1: and reflected him perfectly right in that moment. So I
Speaker 1: I left the room, I closed the door, and he
Speaker 1: come running after me. It was really cool. Where are
Speaker 1: you from? Kid? Something like that. It was like, where
Speaker 1: are you from? Kid? I got you? Oh East, there
Speaker 1: we are. There's Jimmy, I'm I'm such a big that
Speaker 1: thing you do really excited about this. I had to
Speaker 1: show off my my playtone record. I have the the
Speaker 1: single and that thing you do uh with Jimmy there
Speaker 1: on the cover. We uh. We recently had a twenty
Speaker 1: fifth anniversary and we went to Erie, Pennsylvania, where the
Speaker 1: film was set in. I drove up to Lexi, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: picked up Steve's on Tom RBIs, Scott met us and
Speaker 1: we drove all the way to Erie, Pennsylvania because the Eerie,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania has a smnor League ball club called the Erie
Speaker 1: Sea Wolves, and they changed their name to the Eerie
Speaker 1: Wonders for one day. It was so much fun. That
Speaker 1: is so cool. Wait so eastern. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: you were like a secret. That thing you do it is.
Speaker 1: It is one of my favorite, like top three favorite movies.
Speaker 1: I another Thing by Heart and Janna, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember this, but when we first started work
Speaker 1: on the podcast, I asked, I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: want to know is the was the I quit part
Speaker 1: in the script or not? Oh? I think I told
Speaker 1: you that it was. You told me and I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, I'm just blown away. I
Speaker 1: I think, I like, Jimmy is such an interesting character
Speaker 1: and it's such a fun part of the movie. And uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I've seen it so many
Speaker 1: times and I know you probably got this all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm just a really big fan of that performance. Appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And if you guys haven't seen that thing, you do
Speaker 1: watch it because it is one of my and your
Speaker 1: kids can watch it. Yeah, I mean the part when
Speaker 1: they hear them on the radio for the first time,
Speaker 1: like it's still to this day, Like I smile so big,
Speaker 1: Like it's such a cool What was it like when
Speaker 1: you've heard your first song on the radio? We were
Speaker 1: in the car, you were with me. Yeah, the first
Speaker 1: time I heard why you Want to? We remember, like
Speaker 1: I was. We were in the one on one. I
Speaker 1: can't remember. Yeah, I think we were on the one
Speaker 1: on one Los Angeles, which was amazing. It was it
Speaker 1: was it was that moment. Yeah, yeah, but no, it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. But yeah, that's such a good movie. Um, Okay,
Speaker 1: So anyways, we met um on that movie, but you
Speaker 1: had just kind of gotten out of a previous marriage,
Speaker 1: so I was very much like wanting to like chase you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm never getting married, like and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh no, but choose me, like love me.
Speaker 1: You would stand outside my door and just constantly knock
Speaker 1: on the door. I was like, God's girls crazy. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I feel so bad for her. She's so
Speaker 1: lovely and wonderful and she doesn't know that about herself.
Speaker 1: It did not know. And she was so pretty. Remember
Speaker 1: I had like two outfits. It was so borne when
Speaker 1: you moved in cut two, when she moved in. The closet.
Speaker 1: I never forget when I opened their closet and clothes
Speaker 1: there was hardly any clothes in there, and you know,
Speaker 1: we had to go somewhere, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: you're so used to my ex like having this. Well,
Speaker 1: he was married, and I say he was married to
Speaker 1: Christina Applegate previously. So I mean, of course she's ginormous star,
Speaker 1: and so she had a bigger closet, a lot more clothes,
Speaker 1: and and Jennen had no clothes. No. But then, um,
Speaker 1: so you were very thrifty and you had really good
Speaker 1: taste in your clothes. Though, thank you, I appreciate it
Speaker 1: was very by the way, he says that, and they
Speaker 1: were all forever twenty one. So I think, yeah, I
Speaker 1: definitely was like on the track of like wanting to
Speaker 1: be like chosen and loved, and um we ended up
Speaker 1: getting married. Well there was a long road. It was
Speaker 1: a long road. Well here's the thing. Like when I
Speaker 1: was on can You Duet? Like I was calling him
Speaker 1: in the stall, going John, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, Like they chose me
Speaker 1: and not Diana, like you know what do I do?
Speaker 1: And you were you were the one that you You
Speaker 1: were the one that got me in singing. Remember I
Speaker 1: know I'm a reflector. Yeah, like you were like I
Speaker 1: brought out your greatest and he goes, I will propose
Speaker 1: to you when you learn Angel from Montgomery on guitar.
Speaker 1: And I went home and I was like, how am
Speaker 1: I gonna learn this as fast as I get on guitar?
Speaker 1: Make me an angel? Yeah from Montgomery? And so I
Speaker 1: was just like yeah, I just I wanted that, and um,
Speaker 1: but we ended up. Yeah. One of the times was
Speaker 1: I had we have broke up a good zillion times
Speaker 1: because it called Christina every two days. I need Christina
Speaker 1: once or twice when we were fighting, I might have
Speaker 1: got upset and said Christie because it was she was
Speaker 1: completely you were my Christina. I was trying to fill
Speaker 1: that void of my broken heart that I so I
Speaker 1: would accidentally call you by that name when we really
Speaker 1: would get angry at one another, and you'd be like, see,
Speaker 1: I think that's it, that's it, but I think we're
Speaker 1: going to do with me everything. And you know there's
Speaker 1: truth to that. So that was the one thing that
Speaker 1: I really wanted to tell you, is that I try
Speaker 1: to make you something that you weren't. I wasn't healed,
Speaker 1: I hadn't taken time to heal myself from that broken heart,
Speaker 1: and and I I just wanted you to shine and
Speaker 1: not me to shine at the same time. And I
Speaker 1: was so happy that I was able to do something
Speaker 1: with you that brought out these qualities that you had,
Speaker 1: but I forgot about me and that's not fair to you.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm the thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1: But I think also on that was I was trying
Speaker 1: to fill a void and there was no way you
Speaker 1: could have ever filled my need for love and my
Speaker 1: respect for myself and love for myself. Like I was
Speaker 1: just always wanting to be loved and desired and chosen.
Speaker 1: And you could have chosen me ten times over, but
Speaker 1: I had to choose myself before. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's why we were always unfortunately, we were two very
Speaker 1: unhealed souls that came together kept licking each other's wounds. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and I think there's something beautiful about like recognizing
Speaker 1: that and seeing that and knowing that, like, yes, I
Speaker 1: hurt you in many ways, you hurt me in many ways. Um,
Speaker 1: and we can both go. But we're not bad people. No,
Speaker 1: you know, we had wounds that needed to be healed
Speaker 1: and um, and we needed to do growth separately and
Speaker 1: so and I've always felt bad about that. And so
Speaker 1: I remember I reached out to you when I was
Speaker 1: married to Mike. This is before I found out about
Speaker 1: the affairs and stuff. I said, hey, do you mind
Speaker 1: if I email my ex Jonathan because I just have
Speaker 1: a lot of I was like, I don't like negative
Speaker 1: energy out in the universe, and I just I feel
Speaker 1: bad for some of the things that I did in
Speaker 1: that relationship and I just want to say I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And so I emailed you. What did you do? What?
Speaker 1: What did you do? What? Do you what do you
Speaker 1: emailed you? Yeah, that's about what about which time? Where
Speaker 1: are we? This is just before Dancing with the Stars. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. When before when I
Speaker 1: was married to Mike, and this was before I found up,
Speaker 1: before cheating, so you got there's like there's been so
Speaker 1: many layers of that. I mean, come on, just track
Speaker 1: before Okay, yes, before I was Jolie was maybe two
Speaker 1: months old. Okay, okay, we're there because you moved to
Speaker 1: l A again. Yes, yeah, that's you reached out because
Speaker 1: you wanted more coaching, you wanted my acting. But I
Speaker 1: really do have an audition coming up for Netflix, and
Speaker 1: I really wanted so I really could use your help. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, so but I emailed you and you wrote
Speaker 1: back and you were just like, I'm married and not
Speaker 1: that I wanted to get Obviously I was married too,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted but you were just wasn't received,
Speaker 1: which is okay some people maybe just the relationship. You
Speaker 1: didn't want to. And then she wind up being in
Speaker 1: front of my house and I come out down the dryway, kid,
Speaker 1: you not, I walked, I come out of my house.
Speaker 1: I walked down the driveway and there's Channa across the street.
Speaker 1: She's looking at house. Why didn't get the house and
Speaker 1: cross not? Did that not? Have that happened? Well? It did,
Speaker 1: But can we back up for something? Just like I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, all right, all right, chees here again
Speaker 1: at my door. No, but you when you found out
Speaker 1: the first time about Mike having an affair, so, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know any of that. You emailed me and
Speaker 1: you said I heard you got Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about your husband cheating on you. I
Speaker 1: know you have a beautiful baby, and if you need anything,
Speaker 1: I'm here for you and my wife. And I just
Speaker 1: remember being so thankful in that moment because I was
Speaker 1: going to l A with my four month old daughter.
Speaker 1: My ex was in rehab, and well I didn't say
Speaker 1: about Mike cheating for sure, because I would never say that.
Speaker 1: I just knew that you could need help. Ye yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, I heard what happened and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: and that you may need some help. If you need
Speaker 1: some help, you're coming in l A, yep. And so
Speaker 1: he's like, if you need any baby stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long I'm gonna be on Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars. So I was like, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: love a crib so my Jolie doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: in a pack and play. You know, this will be great.
Speaker 1: And he's like, so my tour manager gotten in contact
Speaker 1: with his wife Julie, and pretty much I haven't left
Speaker 1: Julie side since then. We just hit it off. She's
Speaker 1: the coolest chick in America. She's so much fun. And
Speaker 1: you guys were then. You guys became family. You helped
Speaker 1: Mike and I with things, and I mean I remember
Speaker 1: one of our sessions, but Mike and I got into
Speaker 1: a fight. Like Julie picked him up underneath the King
Speaker 1: he was walking and she was like, why don't you
Speaker 1: call an uber? And he's like, I can't. I have
Speaker 1: a flip phone. She's like I was Mike was walking
Speaker 1: down the street. Oh my god. He was just like devastated.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I was like, kids, hey, okay,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean to go get him, you know. But I
Speaker 1: mean we became I mean, Jolie became best friends with Camden,
Speaker 1: your son. Um, we lived less than a mile apart
Speaker 1: from each other. Um, we would have dinners. You would
Speaker 1: help me with auditions. You were in the hospital with
Speaker 1: me when jays was six months six weeks old getting
Speaker 1: a spinal tap because Mike had to stay with Jolie
Speaker 1: and Julie couldn't come, And so You're like, I'm there
Speaker 1: because I'm like I don't want to be alone. And
Speaker 1: you came and like we were like this in the hospital,
Speaker 1: they take Jay's they closed the curtains. Kid you not,
Speaker 1: they closed the curtains and they wouldn't let her anywhere
Speaker 1: near him. Yeah, and I I, you just were a
Speaker 1: ball of some motion and it was I held you
Speaker 1: while he was getting toward you, screaming like I didn't
Speaker 1: know about that. That was insane. That was really really sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: poor little boy. UM. But all that to say, like,
Speaker 1: and then we shared a moving truck from Los Angeles
Speaker 1: to Nashville. Um, and then we had the We moved
Speaker 1: to Nashville, Tennessee on the same day and we flew
Speaker 1: on the same flight. Remember I do not know if
Speaker 1: that was planned from you doing Julie or but I
Speaker 1: just remember being in the seat going no one could
Speaker 1: you could write this, you could like this is so
Speaker 1: freaking bizarre that we were moving to Nashville, Tennessee, at
Speaker 1: the same time, on the same day, on the same flight,
Speaker 1: with the same moving truck, with our things altogether. But
Speaker 1: that's how cool, Julie, And that's you know, we were
Speaker 1: all like friends and it was family, which I think
Speaker 1: when I saw and this is where we then had
Speaker 1: How long ago was that? Um it was overy almost
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. Yeah, where you tweeted
Speaker 1: something about our you tweeted our wedding photo. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so Cannon came Cannon saw that. I don't know worry
Speaker 1: I saw him the phone, I think, or the pad,
Speaker 1: you know how the pad and the phone kind of magnified.
Speaker 1: They had the same thing on him that came up,
Speaker 1: and he was just asking a lot of questions about
Speaker 1: you and me. And I just said on Twitter, which
Speaker 1: I use like almost like um, it's just it's like
Speaker 1: a texting I either put all my thoughts in my
Speaker 1: feelings on there. I just put out there. I don't
Speaker 1: have the kind of fan base or fans that you have.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. I didn't think anything would ever come
Speaker 1: of it. I thought that maybe one day you and
Speaker 1: I would actually have a conversation about what that was
Speaker 1: all about, and Uh. Yeah, So I included you because
Speaker 1: it's not like every day you've you see that and
Speaker 1: had that experience. I was like, it was something we're
Speaker 1: really gonna have to tell our to talk to our
Speaker 1: children about not only you, but I have to talk
Speaker 1: to her, Camden and Lily about Christina, you know, because
Speaker 1: there there's a lot of um gossip out there. And
Speaker 1: then I saw what the reason I reached out. I
Speaker 1: saw that, um and I saw it, but it was
Speaker 1: like you, this podcast was you getting back your voice
Speaker 1: because of all the people talking about you and all
Speaker 1: the things that they talked about you all the time.
Speaker 1: Because they talked about you all the time. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I thought, well, I didn't really realize that that was
Speaker 1: what this was for, and that I think I'm in
Speaker 1: the space to be able to to talk about those
Speaker 1: things because I am rewriting the end of my story
Speaker 1: and you were a big help in me getting to
Speaker 1: that place. UM, And so I thought we should talk
Speaker 1: about it. Mhm. I mean yeah, I mean, I'm I agree.
Speaker 1: And I also I felt like when I saw the
Speaker 1: you know what, like her, when I saw what you
Speaker 1: had said about our I call it up our party,
Speaker 1: part our wedding it was a party the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like we weren't. Yes, we were technically married,
Speaker 1: but like it was a party that I brought my grandma,
Speaker 1: I know, and I know that like her like, but
Speaker 1: we both like that we would have never made our
Speaker 1: marriage work because we weren't the right person for each other.
Speaker 1: Like Julie is your person to the day you die,
Speaker 1: like you guys are meant your souls are meant to
Speaker 1: be together. We were two lost souls trying to fill
Speaker 1: that void those pieces. Jenna, You're an incredible human being.
Speaker 1: I wanted wanted that to be part of my life.
Speaker 1: I thought that you would heal me and make my
Speaker 1: life better, and I thought I had to marry you
Speaker 1: to get that. So it wasn't just a party to me.
Speaker 1: I know, we really fought on trying to get the
Speaker 1: pastor um and get an understanding of what we were doing.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just about the got US magazine, US
Speaker 1: Weekly or whoever was covering it and paying for most
Speaker 1: of it. Um. It was. It was much deeper for me.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that we weren't ready and
Speaker 1: we you know, my father, my friend Clifton, they're all
Speaker 1: like you. You can't see what we can see. And
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do with you. It was about me.
Speaker 1: You're not You're not there to to you know, have
Speaker 1: that connection like I am there now Julie, because Julie
Speaker 1: can really I reflect something differently than Julian and she's
Speaker 1: a she's a perfect partner for me, and we've had children,
Speaker 1: so that grounds it a lot more. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: was I wanted the best in our marriage. I really
Speaker 1: wanted to make it work well. And I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to be anywhere near what you what
Speaker 1: I could have helped and loved, I wouldn't. I would
Speaker 1: have been a disaster with like I was never I
Speaker 1: had so much work to do on myself, and that was,
Speaker 1: you know, unfair of me to not notice that before
Speaker 1: I took you know, your family to UM Michigan. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's one of those things were
Speaker 1: you can I know, at least I can look back
Speaker 1: now and know that obviously everything worked out the way
Speaker 1: that it was meant to. But you know, I definitely
Speaker 1: feel bad about anybody that I heard along the way,
Speaker 1: including you and your family and UM, you know, the
Speaker 1: this stuff that we know we talked about the tweet
Speaker 1: and and all of that, and and for me, I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, I didn't. I never looked at
Speaker 1: it as something where it was a bad memory. I
Speaker 1: looked at it as a memory that it was a memory,
Speaker 1: and it was in that moment it felt really good.
Speaker 1: But when I look back, it wasn't. I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I was there, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: me and Sophie were there. Sophie does sweet little baby,
Speaker 1: So I guess, like when I had reached out for
Speaker 1: the fifth dem ends after the whole Twitter thing again,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Julie's my best friend, Like, I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be weird. I need acting lessons. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm like when kidding kind of um, but you know
Speaker 1: you were just like no, because I hate I hate
Speaker 1: that energy. Like even when we were celebrating Julie's birthday,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, God, like if John shows up, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be weird because we had
Speaker 1: the falling out over the talking about it on the podcast,
Speaker 1: the Twitter and the photo and that it really has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that tweet. I'm certain of that.
Speaker 1: I think it had to do with the fact that, um,
Speaker 1: I had never really healed from the trauma of my life,
Speaker 1: and I kept trying to band aid it and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't recognize it and I couldn't know what it
Speaker 1: was and fake it till you make it. I was
Speaker 1: trying always, and I just had this deep wound inside
Speaker 1: that after you know, after after my first marriage, I
Speaker 1: just never healed. I was supposed to be, okay, was
Speaker 1: on all the tabloids. You know, people go through divorces
Speaker 1: all the time. And I never healed. And that trauma
Speaker 1: was such um traumas a time traveler and you know this.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you really do know this.
Speaker 1: And I always wanted to get to heal so that
Speaker 1: you would know this. But it's a time traveler. So
Speaker 1: when we don't address it, it comes and gets us
Speaker 1: in the end. And uh, So my marriage was connected
Speaker 1: to my career, everything about my work. It was you know,
Speaker 1: Christina's an actress. We were in the limelight. I loved
Speaker 1: her so much. I still love her so much. I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't think Julie will ever be offended that
Speaker 1: I would ever say that I loved her, and uh
Speaker 1: and I loved you. Yeah, she's got a lot more
Speaker 1: um ability to to hear that, right, um, but I
Speaker 1: just never I never healed from Christina, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I finally was starting to realize how broken my heart was,
Speaker 1: and when you did that, I was trying to band
Speaker 1: aid it. And I'm lucky to be alive. I did
Speaker 1: not take good care of myself after that. I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing had happened again, and I was I
Speaker 1: was a victim, you would say to me, But I
Speaker 1: was wounded and I was hurt, and I I'm just
Speaker 1: lucky to be alive, and I'm grateful to have an
Speaker 1: incredible family with two beautiful children that I love more
Speaker 1: than anything, and I'm lucky to be alive from that experience.
Speaker 1: So when I said no, I finally standing up for
Speaker 1: myself because I recognized that Julie wanted your friendship and
Speaker 1: it was important, and I felt that it was important
Speaker 1: because she didn't have any friends in California. You didn't
Speaker 1: have any friends in California. And we made that little
Speaker 1: unit together, all of us. But when we're here, I
Speaker 1: have Julie's family were raising these children. And when I
Speaker 1: brought that up about Camden, recognizing and seeing that we
Speaker 1: were we were more than just friends. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really important for us to talk about it, and
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be just in the tabloids. It should be
Speaker 1: a deeper conversation. But Twitter maybe a tabloid ish gossiping
Speaker 1: thing to some people, but to me, it's saved my soul. Um.
Speaker 1: And uh, you can follow me to learn more about
Speaker 1: Twitter and my experience with Twitter. Yeah, so that's when
Speaker 1: do you think that you finally healed from your first marriage?
Speaker 1: Almost five years ago? When h July seven, when I
Speaker 1: decided that I would never hate myself again, that I
Speaker 1: gave up shaming myself. Did you shame yourself for the
Speaker 1: marriage not working out or shame yourself because it didn't
Speaker 1: where what was the shame? The shame was about. The
Speaker 1: shame definitely stem from that being enough, But that not
Speaker 1: being enough was my childhood learning differences, being dyslexic and
Speaker 1: not being able to compete in certain areas of education. Uh,
Speaker 1: my father try to take his own life. It was
Speaker 1: a complete reflection of UM, my childhood trauma. Um, and
Speaker 1: that I never ever healed from that. And then it
Speaker 1: was from being molested on this nine nine two, my
Speaker 1: very first screen test for director named Franco Zeffarelli and
Speaker 1: not being able to recognize what that was and how
Speaker 1: I allow that to happen. Um, those three very deep
Speaker 1: places in me. I have recognized that's where all the
Speaker 1: shame comes from. And I have given up hating myself
Speaker 1: or thinking less of myself, um, and finally able to
Speaker 1: love myself. Because I was on a baseball field. I
Speaker 1: was coaching my little little little boy. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: just a little league coach, And I was like, why
Speaker 1: why do I think I'm not enough to coach these
Speaker 1: little leaguers? What is that all about? Why? It's just
Speaker 1: like I couldn't understand why I hated myself and I
Speaker 1: had such pity and low self esteem. And my mom
Speaker 1: kept saying, why don't you believe in yourself? John? Just
Speaker 1: so much? And I started to really look at that,
Speaker 1: and I recognized it as shame that that I'm guilty
Speaker 1: of doing anything wrong. I've done a lot wrong things
Speaker 1: in my life, and I've done a long wrong wrong
Speaker 1: to you. Um. And a lot of my friends would
Speaker 1: be like, you should really just tell her you're sorry,
Speaker 1: And I think I have numerous times, but I never
Speaker 1: understood where they were coming from. And that shame is
Speaker 1: not that I did anything wrong, that I am what
Speaker 1: I felt that I was wrong. So it wasn't that
Speaker 1: I did anything wrong, is that I was wrong. And
Speaker 1: so every time I drank, did drugs, add sex or
Speaker 1: you know, a liaison with anyone. UM, I was just
Speaker 1: trying to band aid these things in me that just
Speaker 1: we're haunting me, that wanted me to take my own
Speaker 1: life and uh on the little good field. One day
Speaker 1: I realized that my son deserves so much more, so
Speaker 1: much more of me, and I needed to show up
Speaker 1: and I have. I showed up fully every day for
Speaker 1: the last five years, almost five years now. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing that. I mean, I know a lot
Speaker 1: of things you said in that too. There's so many
Speaker 1: people that have shame, that hold onto shame. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know my AX dealt with holding onto shame and
Speaker 1: that will eat you alive and destroy everything in its path.
Speaker 1: And it's a cancer. It causes that I've had that
Speaker 1: happen to my UM, with my people in my life.
Speaker 1: The shame is so strong that they're manifest into something.
Speaker 1: You know, You've got to think our bodies just like
Speaker 1: it's watered fluid. We're always moving and if we one
Speaker 1: of these things, you know, like my throat. I had
Speaker 1: a serious problem with my throat from not having my
Speaker 1: voice for so long, and it's gonna manifest if you
Speaker 1: hold on into it, it's going to kill you one
Speaker 1: way or the other. Yeah, I mean that's I did
Speaker 1: this thing in my therapy session the other day because
Speaker 1: it's it's a um been a year since I filed
Speaker 1: for divorce um today actually, And my therapist made me
Speaker 1: put these rocks into this bowl of water, all of
Speaker 1: all the things that I have still been like holding
Speaker 1: onto and um, and I she's like, now carry the
Speaker 1: bowl and I was like it was so heavy, and
Speaker 1: then you know, she made right on all the rocks
Speaker 1: to the things that like I was like holding onto.
Speaker 1: And then we took the rocks out of the water
Speaker 1: and then I held the bowl and I was like,
Speaker 1: I just feels so much better, you know, just having
Speaker 1: that that weight lifted and the lightness. And it's like,
Speaker 1: why are you carrying all these pieces that they're not
Speaker 1: for you anymore? There's yah things that you have regret
Speaker 1: or things that you are scared or fear, but they're
Speaker 1: not yours to carry anymore. And it's okay to release them.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you've you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's very It's it's a beautiful thing when
Speaker 1: you can release and just have at weight off of
Speaker 1: you and not carry it. It's when you're able to
Speaker 1: give it over to something greater than you and have
Speaker 1: faith in that. Mhmm, have you done that yet? Let's
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll be right back. Um have
Speaker 1: I done? What have you given over to let that
Speaker 1: all go? So I got baptized and that was the
Speaker 1: first step this year, and I have to go put
Speaker 1: the rocks in a stream this week. Sometimes keeping him
Speaker 1: feels safe. That makes sense. Oh yeah, But it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean like I have you know, I'm so far Like
Speaker 1: you know, people are like, you're still obsessed. Your AX
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with my ax. I'm not like,
Speaker 1: I'm not in love with my X anymore. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's all my personal stuff that I've held out too shame,
Speaker 1: Like you've said, are not feeling good enough for my kids,
Speaker 1: not being with them all the time, And so it's
Speaker 1: it's colding onto all that weight that isn't mine anymore.
Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited to do that because I
Speaker 1: have let go of so much and freed myself of
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have anxiety like I did in
Speaker 1: my past, and it's so nice to be able to,
Speaker 1: you know, let people have their own emotions and not
Speaker 1: take it down. And there's so much growth that I've
Speaker 1: experienced in the last year. But I think healing is
Speaker 1: ever evolving, and you continue to learn and you continue
Speaker 1: to things, some things might continue to pop up. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited that I continued to heal and learn. But
Speaker 1: I have let go of most of the way and
Speaker 1: the rest is going to be in a stream in
Speaker 1: about a week. So yeah, so are we good? Like? Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, Okay. I think we
Speaker 1: had to reflect on it a little bit, a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, when I fell in love with you, h
Speaker 1: I fell in love with you when that little Boston Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you cried and I just was like, God, I
Speaker 1: could see her, you can see inside you, and I
Speaker 1: wanted that. Mm hm. That was a horrible thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And a Boston here and that died and brutally murdered
Speaker 1: by a pit pull. It's terrible. Poor little Mia, she said,
Speaker 1: there was Sophie. Um, but I think this is a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And I think if you if people are
Speaker 1: holding onto like again, releasing the shame. Also, I think
Speaker 1: it's okay to reach out to people that you have
Speaker 1: hurt in your past and just know that it might
Speaker 1: not be received. There's times when I've reached out to
Speaker 1: people and they've received it. They haven't received it. But
Speaker 1: I think it's good to make an amends, not not
Speaker 1: hoping for the other person to say it's okay. It
Speaker 1: is never okay, but thank You don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say. Like, I think it's making amends because
Speaker 1: you want to, not because you want the person to
Speaker 1: say it's okay, all good and to feel better about yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. You can't expect it to be all yeah,
Speaker 1: like hunky dorry, But if you've got like, don't hold
Speaker 1: onto it and say like say sorry, apologize and and
Speaker 1: just I think amends is a beautiful thing. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, you know, it was before you you know,
Speaker 1: Mike broke up or separated or whatever you guys were
Speaker 1: done to force today it's a full moon today. Wow.
Speaker 1: So I thought that that was probably why I reached out,
Speaker 1: that it was time to reflect on something that was
Speaker 1: important for our families, for your ex as well, and
Speaker 1: beautiful little children. So you know, I care a great
Speaker 1: deal about I think that's really why we have to
Speaker 1: heal so that they don't carry that trauma. And that's
Speaker 1: possible and so well, shifting gears. You have a movie
Speaker 1: coming out. I have a movie called Frank and Frank
Speaker 1: and Penelope, and you have bleached blonde hair in it, right,
Speaker 1: I have platinum Platinum. Yeah, that's so. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you still had it because it
Speaker 1: was a good look. I like it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was awesome. What's the movie about? Tell tell our
Speaker 1: listeners and where can they watch it? It's like, um,
Speaker 1: the movie Wrong Turn. You don't want to go down
Speaker 1: that road, and once you did, you know you're in
Speaker 1: the wrong Turn. And I'm the guys that I'm I'm
Speaker 1: the group the cult that you meet and you think
Speaker 1: they're gonna heal your soul, and they're not. They're to
Speaker 1: just heal your soul, um, but to take something so
Speaker 1: that you if you they basically really uh it's called
Speaker 1: sin eaters. Okay, I know that one. Didn't you write that?
Speaker 1: I remember you were writing like some something eaters. What
Speaker 1: was that thing? I was called eater? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wat that for NBC. Okay, Elizabeth Moss started it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that. Ye're one beautiful thing is you did
Speaker 1: reflect me to really believe in myself and to write
Speaker 1: and produce and direct. I did all that stuff with you.
Speaker 1: You're great at that. Yeah. I mean we, uh we
Speaker 1: see other people just like you saw my music. You
Speaker 1: saw you know, I saw something else in news. So
Speaker 1: we did bring a lot of great qualities out in
Speaker 1: each other, and it just you you know what. I
Speaker 1: remember you saying this has happened to me too. When
Speaker 1: I was uh, really doing well. I got to this
Speaker 1: place where I felt like sharks, Like it's shark infested waters.
Speaker 1: And one time you called me when you're doing really well,
Speaker 1: your album was going up. All these people wanted a
Speaker 1: piece of you, and you were like, it's like sharks
Speaker 1: are swarming me and like, I just don't know who
Speaker 1: to trust. And I kept trying to say, you've got
Speaker 1: to trust yourself, and I was like, she's not there.
Speaker 1: She's just gonna get eaten alive. Yeah, and drug underwater? Um, John,
Speaker 1: where can our wind down? Listeners? Follow you and John
Speaker 1: check j O H N s H A E C H.
Speaker 1: Can we unblock each other on Instagram? Yeah? Unblocked? Yeah,
Speaker 1: N blocked the phone. I must didn't make it here
Speaker 1: because I was like, gosh, she doesn't read her emails.
Speaker 1: I am not going to be able to get here.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, thank you for coming on. And
Speaker 1: is there anything that you want to say to the listeners,
Speaker 1: anything you want to say just as a yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't get to say this one thing about you. Oh
Speaker 1: we're going to me okay, I was even more good
Speaker 1: nice for listeners. Well, you are an extra nary talent
Speaker 1: and I think everyone here can relate to you in
Speaker 1: a certain way and if they could support and you
Speaker 1: and all your endeavors and even the ones that you
Speaker 1: haven't fulfilled yet, that I think that you you have
Speaker 1: a place still to go with your career. Because anything
Speaker 1: you've ever no one in my life has ever done this,
Speaker 1: anything you've wanted to accomplish you have. You need to
Speaker 1: stick with it and stay there and and um don't
Speaker 1: take control of it. Let it take you right And
Speaker 1: that's your fan base needs to support that. You need
Speaker 1: to go to the next place because you have this
Speaker 1: ability to constantly fight for those things, but you just
Speaker 1: have to trust that they're going to go there. Like
Speaker 1: you're you're singing your next album, you know, dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars. I mean, it was amazing what you did.
Speaker 1: It was astounding even your acting career, like like watching
Speaker 1: you and just I think you just a little bit.
Speaker 1: You're And I talked to Richard marks Um. I know
Speaker 1: he's awesome, and he's just like she just she had
Speaker 1: never she didn't trust herself in this recording session. Both
Speaker 1: like harmonies, you're never saying harmonies before. And he gave
Speaker 1: you some lessons right there. You're so, you're so you
Speaker 1: take direction really well and you just flow and and
Speaker 1: I would hope that this audience would embrace that instead
Speaker 1: of attacking you all the time. I know that the
Speaker 1: core people that are here if they need to just
Speaker 1: embrace you and and help you fulfill your your biggest potential,
Speaker 1: your fullest potential. Yeah, I I approved that message. Well, John,
Speaker 1: thank you, Katherine, you get over there. That was good.
Speaker 1: I loved this. I think this is good. I think
Speaker 1: that was a good stuff to listen to. The producer
Speaker 1: agree he did, Everything's okay. Easton is the producer, Katherine's
Speaker 1: just my co host. You don't on camera though, She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit in the couch with you.
Speaker 1: How is that Easton? Excellent episode. You guys did a
Speaker 1: great job. Thank you all right, Well, I think that
Speaker 1: was very good and there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: came out. Yeah, it was a lot. Um. Did y'all
Speaker 1: even really? I mean I was kind of just sit
Speaker 1: over here, but did y'all actually make amends for what
Speaker 1: happened last? So? I think I think it was like
Speaker 1: not like the whole Twitter incident that happened. I think
Speaker 1: he was saying, it's so much bigger than the Twitter thing. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he was like going back. Yeah. And so
Speaker 1: I think it was like because I always played it
Speaker 1: off as like it was a party, It was like
Speaker 1: a you know, it was just like because I was
Speaker 1: we were married for a week and then and then
Speaker 1: that was that was that, um and um. And so
Speaker 1: I think he was kind of like but it was
Speaker 1: something to him and and for me, I was just
Speaker 1: so I didn't know how to call off the wedding
Speaker 1: and all, you know, and just and I think there
Speaker 1: was hurt in that, like you know, his parents were
Speaker 1: there and his grant you know, and so it's like
Speaker 1: where it was. I think the amends was the like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I kind of looked at it as
Speaker 1: a Yeah, you could tell when you said that he
Speaker 1: was kind of like, but I didn't see it as
Speaker 1: a party for sure. And so I think it was
Speaker 1: so much beyond the pettiness of the Twitter and the
Speaker 1: whole like one and like that he posted our wedding
Speaker 1: photo and why would he do that? And it was
Speaker 1: just it was still the hurt of the like the
Speaker 1: way back past goes back. Yeah, so I think so
Speaker 1: I think, I think, you know, and like he said,
Speaker 1: like he's got his family and friends here, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll never be that unit. I don't think
Speaker 1: that we were in l A because we didn't have
Speaker 1: any We just had each other, all of us. Um,
Speaker 1: But at least now when I'm around Julie, it's and
Speaker 1: I can go to their house now and you know,
Speaker 1: like it's not like a going to be any kind
Speaker 1: of awkward situations. So that, you know, and because I do,
Speaker 1: like I respect him, I respect his you know, I
Speaker 1: love his family, and I you know, I love his
Speaker 1: heart and what he does and all the you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm glad that the error I feel like was cleared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like it. I was just a little trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if we but yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think it was definitely the bigger picture. Um, I
Speaker 1: think it sounds like he was kind of being the
Speaker 1: bigger man when y'all wanted to be friends in l
Speaker 1: A like y'all didn't have friends. But because he's probably
Speaker 1: now she's friends with Julie. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's just all face it. That probably wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: the most normal thing in his world. But but hey,
Speaker 1: I mean, good for him. Now y'all can clear the
Speaker 1: air and move on, yeah and block each other. You
Speaker 1: know what April sixteenth was the day we found out everything?
Speaker 1: Was that Friday? Right? Yeah? But today it was April
Speaker 1: six crazy. It's amazing. What a year does. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can rebly. I cannot believe it's been a year. I
Speaker 1: can't either. You're doing great, Thanks, Catherine, You're welcome. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: that was a wild ride and I gotta go put
Speaker 1: my rocks in some water. Have that experience weave to daisies.
Speaker 1: What a week What a week. I loved going on.
Speaker 1: It's good, it's growth healing, right, yeah, it's great. How's
Speaker 1: therapy for you going? Yeah, that's another episode. Alright, okay, um,
Speaker 1: see you guys next week on another thrilling podcast episode.
Speaker 1: Hi guys, Bye bye