1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay, Hi, 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: I don't mind our like pillow talk voices Jason everything 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: in the other room. It does sound like the lad 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: talk because it's like, Hi, welcome to wind down. This 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: is Janne and Catherine. Really beautiful, by the way, Thank you, 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: so do you? I feel like we both wore makeup. 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: We did. It's just a new thing we try sometimes. Um, 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I wrapped the movie yesterday. I can't believe that that 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: was so fast. Well usually, I mean, yeah, I filmed 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: it was Usually they do it in fifteen sixteen days. 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: We did in fifteen, which is just insane. But um, 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: this was like the first time I wasn't in every 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: I wasn't in every scene, Like I wasn't number one. 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: So I didn't work all day. And it's funny because 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: I was telling my hair and make it people, and 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's harder to be there only for 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: a few scenes then like all day because I'm like 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: I want to go home, you know where. It's like 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: when you know you have to be there all day, 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: it's like you've already just like accepted you have to 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: be there all day. Yeah. Yeah, Um, and I'm like, oh, 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: you switched the scenes like what I wanted, you know, so, 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: but it was I had so much fun. I had 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: like that cast was so cool, Mario was awesome. The 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: dancing I kind of messed up on like the last 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: day with a dancing that just I'm not good at 27 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: hip hop. I'm just to do hip hop again. Yeah, 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I know, but Spencer was there. It was like a 29 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: great choreographer who helped us. But it's still I'm just like, 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: for some reason, like my hips don't move well. And 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: I feel like you're either good at hip hop or 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: you're good at like lyrical ballet type. Like it's just 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: two different types. Yea, And I feel like I'm way 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: better at Yeah, you're great at whatever that is, lyrical jazz, 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: one of those contemporary and I scared her battery and 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: I know, but that was so I hope. I hope 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: when people watch it they're not like she's a dance 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,919 Speaker 1: teacher mary an actress first, Okay, Okay, that's good. Um, 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: but it was. Yeah, it was a lot of fun 40 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: and I yeah really pumped for you guys to see 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: it because it was it was really fun to make. 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: So I hope it turns out. I hope you try. 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: So you're in lifetime. Lifetime, it's a wonderful lifetime and 44 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: it'll be obviously you know, Christmas time. So and Mario 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: was cool. Mario was so cool. Um yeah, we didn't 46 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: like it was you know, good chemistry. We um, we 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: had fun together, Like we laughed a lot. I'll probably 48 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: say he's like my favorite. I think he's one of 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: my favorite co stars I've ever had. Like he's really cool. Um, 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: he is so busy, so it's hard at times to 51 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: be like all right, Mario, like come on, Like he's 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: got like a million different things he's doing so that, 53 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: but now he's really great. He's a good scene partner. 54 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: And we would be like, hey, so, um, can we 55 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: tell each other if it sucks so we can do 56 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: it again. So he'd be like does it suck? And 57 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I think you do better and then you 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: would do the same for me. But like I loved 59 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: it because um, when we did do good, like we 60 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: knew that the person meant it. He's good. So that 61 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: was that was really fun. So um good. And then yeah, 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: a few other things I'm not ready to talk about yet. Okay, 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't seen you in a while. I know, 64 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: I'm lay a minute. It's I feel like whenever I 65 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: do movies, It's like, I know, I feel like I 66 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: have we have to have like a two week catchup, 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: three week catch up. There was something else I was 68 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: going to say, and now I can't remember, but I know, 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: riveting conversation. Um, how are you though? Everything good? I'm good? Yeah, yeah, 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: there's really nothing new in my world. So we have 71 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: an in person guest today. This is who is gonna 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: be good? Katherine's like, where's my popcorn? I brought it? Um, 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: So we are going to have Jonathan check on the show. Um, 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: who I technically married? How many years ago? With that 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: technically married? Oh gosh, I'm gonna look it up for 76 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: twelve something like that. We were only married for about 77 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: a week. Um we had and then and then. But 78 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: the whole people that have been like avid listeners have 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: wine not obviously know that. Um My, one of my 80 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: best friends, part of our queendom, in our group chat 81 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: is his wife Julie Solomon. Um. And there was like 82 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: a little hiccup that happened with mine John's relationship, and 83 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: so we just and I had written him an email. 84 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we we'll explain it. But long story short, 85 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: we're going to have him on the show, and it's 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: going to be in a men's show because y'all have 87 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: not talked since Nope, I mean we've talked since obviously, 88 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: like the now yeah were good and then they were 89 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: yah yeah, and which we talked about on the pot 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: like yeah, well, and then I'll kind of refresh people 91 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: the memory with that. Um, oh my god, did you 92 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: see the US weekly thing about the mommy shammer? They 93 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: put it on yours? Yeah, I mean I saw what 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: you posted. They put on this weekly. They did because 95 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: they were like I actually was like happy with the 96 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: fact that they like there were so many kids, you know, 97 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: like people are really mean to me. I'm on those comments. 98 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, here we go. They're gonna 99 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: tell me how bad of a mom I am. But 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: then there were so many people that were like, you know, 101 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: when your kid is sick, like I can't cancel filming. 102 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: I called them and was like, Hey, is there any 103 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: way to move around the scenes so I can spend 104 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: the morning with her because my ex couldn't get her. Um, 105 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't have a family. When I 106 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: was sick, I'd get dropped off at like my grandparents 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: or like my aunt will come over. And that was 108 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: the funny time when she tried to make tapioco in 109 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: the food those uh, the spoon gots stuck in the tapioca, 110 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: because you'd know how to make it. Became know, it's 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 1: like my one thing I knew when I'm sick. Um. 112 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: But it's like when the current girls like she's dumping 113 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: her off it like her friends, like your terrible mom 114 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: basically for not taking off work. Most people can't take 115 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: off work like that. I can guarantee the majority of 116 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: people who work normal jobs cannot just call in sick. 117 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: They can't. I mean they have a certain amount of 118 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: sick days. I mean that happens all the time. So 119 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: that Mama, I want to do well. It's the thing 120 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: that like kind of baffles me about the whole situation 121 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: is like when I read it, and there was like 122 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: one or two other ones too in the d m 123 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: S about just being like why wouldn't you and like 124 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: why isn't her dad. It's like listen, like he has 125 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: a job too, and he you know, he couldn't get 126 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: her um And you know, my day. So I had 127 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: to figure it out and I was going to take 128 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: her to set with me, but at the same time 129 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: she's puking, So I'm like, godly, this is you know, 130 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: so thankfully like Pamelin you know, came to the rescue 131 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: for that. But when I looked at the name and 132 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: it said like mama of Angel, I was like, why 133 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: is it that any hate I ever get is from 134 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: other moms because they think that they have it all 135 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: figured out? But that just like baffles me. I'm fine 136 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: with a few dms or people are like, hey, f y, 137 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: I like the child, like you know, seat needs to 138 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: like the head, and I'm like, okay, cool, like thank you, 139 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's not really shaming me. It's more like 140 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: you're trying to just be like helpful that sometimes yeah, 141 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Jay's strap thing is a little like lower than maybe 142 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: it should or higher or whatever. Um. But when it 143 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: comes to like straight up like just like how could 144 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: you or why would you do? And like and it's 145 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: always from a mom. It's always been moms like what 146 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't understand why why? Here's the thing? Like I 147 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: don't agree with Kristen that she co sleeps, but I 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: would never like and I'm like, it doesn't work for me, 149 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: but hey, if it works for you, Like I don't 150 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: think it's like but something I say, I don't want 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: to agree with it, but I'm like, that just doesn't 152 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: doesn't work for us. I'm not going to shame her 153 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, you shouldn't be doing that because 154 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: your kid's going to have you know, this, that or whatever, Like, no, 155 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: that's if it works for you. Cool. It doesn't work 156 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: for you, great, Okay, if you got to go do that, great, Like, 157 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: and then I started to think about something's coming up 158 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: where I might have to be away from the kids 159 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: for a little bit, and I'm like, well, here we go. 160 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: Like I'm starting like the shaming comes from like the 161 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: fear of the other mom shaming me, Like your shame 162 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: comes from other freaking moms. I'm like, how cool is that? Yeah, 163 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: it's terrible. Yeah, I don't know why they do it. 164 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I really don't. I do think to 165 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: an extent, people think, obviously, because your life is out 166 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: there obviously, that they can just say whatever they want 167 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: to say, you know, but people have to stop that, 168 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: Like it's just they can't just don't know the shaming, 169 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: and it's getting better. I feel like people are definitely 170 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: more aware of that. But online, you know, people hide 171 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: behind the messages. You just have to not let it 172 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: get to you. Just like like you told me, don't 173 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: read the don't read the comments. Yeah no, yeah, I 174 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: just it just it honestly makes me sad that, like 175 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: moms are that judgmental. Yeah, I mean, and it's been 176 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: since I've had kids from the I don't how dare 177 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: I not make real food for my children? And I 178 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: have gave them glass bottles of food like remember that. 179 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, I was so excited to go buy those 180 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: baby food jars because like first time mom, getting the jars, 181 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: like putting them on the thing. I was like, I'm 182 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: real food, Like yeah, okay, I don't have time to 183 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: like make the blended smooth and food like I just didn't. 184 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: I tried, I got it all, got all the things 185 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: to make the real food, and I'm like, this is 186 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: stressing me out. I can't do this. I think you 187 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: just have to stay in solid in your decisions. It's 188 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: kind of like the breast milk versus breastfed versus bottle fed, 189 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Like I bottle fed and had formula, and I was like, 190 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care what anyone says. And 191 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean I had all my own family being like, 192 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: why are you not breast fading? Because I don't want to. 193 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: You just have to like it's tough, but stop the judging. 194 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: I think I just heard the doorable rings. So let's 195 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: take a break and get our guests on. Okay, welcome everybody. 196 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan Shack onto the podcast. Everybody. Um, So I didn't 197 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: really give like a I didn't really give, and I said, um, 198 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: kind of this should be like that people know Julie 199 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: cause I've had Julian on the show Bunch your wife, 200 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: my bestie, um, my part of my queendom. And so 201 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I've i've kind of what we just said, like that 202 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: we were all friends and um we were married for 203 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: a hot minute. Um. And then so where do you 204 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: want to start? I want to start? Yeah, where do 205 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: you want to start? Oh, when you were in the 206 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: bathroom stall of that reality program? Do you know this? 207 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: So she you were on a what was it or 208 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: something like that. We're going all the way back then, Okay, 209 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can hang with that. We're 210 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: starting from this is the beginning of our courtship. We 211 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: were going to start there. Let's just go back to 212 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: we were both on prom Night and your your grandmama 213 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: and your father? What were they on the set? No? Dad, 214 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: it was your dad was definitely my dad? Was there? 215 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: Your grandma? I don't remember that at all. Okay, Well, 216 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: all I remember is I think I was. I was 217 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: like twenty five six, like I don't know it was. 218 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: And Jonathan, um it was the killer in prom Night 219 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: spoiler alert if you haven't seen it. And um, I 220 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: just remember going like, oh my god, that's the hot 221 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: guy from that thing you do. Because I grew up 222 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: on that show. You know, he was the I quit guy. So, um, 223 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: it was a movie, not a show. Okay, Well don't 224 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: they call them all shows now? Movies? No? No, okay, 225 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: maybe that's the lingo it was. It was a Tom 226 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: Hanks film. It was a Tom Hanks film. It was 227 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: a kind of like a cult classic in a way. 228 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: It's grown, it's always continues to grow. People love that movie. 229 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: It's a feel good films. So people can watch it 230 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: the same as if they watched it years ago. Can 231 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: we before we get into the other stuff? Can Because 232 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: I just remember the story from that thing you do 233 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: and how you actually got that part? Can you just 234 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: sell that like that you basically made up that last part. 235 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: So the lines were I quit and he left the 236 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: band and I chose to in the audition room and 237 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: oppretendingly there was a microphone and I was like I 238 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: quit quit something like that, because yeah, I was a singer, 239 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: so of course, like naturally like you took that solve 240 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: the script and was like, I'm gonna sing that. And 241 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: that's when they you're trying to get a coach acting 242 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: lesson out of this. I am. I haven't really missed 243 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: the acting lesson. Just tell you if anything that the 244 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: men's will do, I really need you to start teaching 245 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: coaching me. Um. Yeah. So I sang it and Tom 246 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: just I was just run out of the room. Yeah. 247 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: So I also not only did I sing it, and 248 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: then I knew that the energy was like I connected 249 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: and reflected him perfectly right in that moment. So I 250 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: I left the room, I closed the door, and he 251 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: come running after me. It was really cool. Where are 252 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: you from? Kid? Something like that. It was like, where 253 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: are you from? Kid? I got you? Oh East, there 254 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: we are. There's Jimmy, I'm I'm such a big that 255 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: thing you do really excited about this. I had to 256 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: show off my my playtone record. I have the the 257 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: single and that thing you do uh with Jimmy there 258 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: on the cover. We uh. We recently had a twenty 259 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: fifth anniversary and we went to Erie, Pennsylvania, where the 260 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: film was set in. I drove up to Lexi, Kentucky, 261 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: picked up Steve's on Tom RBIs, Scott met us and 262 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: we drove all the way to Erie, Pennsylvania because the Eerie, 263 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania has a smnor League ball club called the Erie 264 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Sea Wolves, and they changed their name to the Eerie 265 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: Wonders for one day. It was so much fun. That 266 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: is so cool. Wait so eastern. I didn't know that 267 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: you were like a secret. That thing you do it is. 268 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: It is one of my favorite, like top three favorite movies. 269 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: I another Thing by Heart and Janna, I don't know 270 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: if you remember this, but when we first started work 271 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: on the podcast, I asked, I was like, Okay, I 272 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: want to know is the was the I quit part 273 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: in the script or not? Oh? I think I told 274 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: you that it was. You told me and I was 275 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, I'm just blown away. I 276 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: I think, I like, Jimmy is such an interesting character 277 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: and it's such a fun part of the movie. And uh, 278 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I've seen it so many 279 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: times and I know you probably got this all the time. 280 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm just a really big fan of that performance. Appreciate that. 281 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: And if you guys haven't seen that thing, you do 282 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: watch it because it is one of my and your 283 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: kids can watch it. Yeah, I mean the part when 284 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: they hear them on the radio for the first time, 285 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: like it's still to this day, Like I smile so big, 286 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: Like it's such a cool What was it like when 287 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: you've heard your first song on the radio? We were 288 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: in the car, you were with me. Yeah, the first 289 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: time I heard why you Want to? We remember, like 290 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: I was. We were in the one on one. I 291 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: can't remember. Yeah, I think we were on the one 292 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: on one Los Angeles, which was amazing. It was it 293 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: was it was that moment. Yeah, yeah, but no, it's 294 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. But yeah, that's such a good movie. Um, Okay, 295 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: So anyways, we met um on that movie, but you 296 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: had just kind of gotten out of a previous marriage, 297 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: so I was very much like wanting to like chase you. Yeah, 298 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm never getting married, like and I'm 299 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: just like, oh no, but choose me, like love me. 300 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: You would stand outside my door and just constantly knock 301 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: on the door. I was like, God's girls crazy. Oh 302 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: my god, I feel so bad for her. She's so 303 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: lovely and wonderful and she doesn't know that about herself. 304 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: It did not know. And she was so pretty. Remember 305 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: I had like two outfits. It was so borne when 306 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: you moved in cut two, when she moved in. The closet. 307 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: I never forget when I opened their closet and clothes 308 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: there was hardly any clothes in there, and you know, 309 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: we had to go somewhere, and I was just like, 310 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: you're so used to my ex like having this. Well, 311 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: he was married, and I say he was married to 312 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: Christina Applegate previously. So I mean, of course she's ginormous star, 313 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: and so she had a bigger closet, a lot more clothes, 314 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: and and Jennen had no clothes. No. But then, um, 315 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: so you were very thrifty and you had really good 316 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: taste in your clothes. Though, thank you, I appreciate it 317 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: was very by the way, he says that, and they 318 00:17:48,119 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: were all forever twenty one. So I think, yeah, I 319 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: definitely was like on the track of like wanting to 320 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: be like chosen and loved, and um we ended up 321 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: getting married. Well there was a long road. It was 322 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: a long road. Well here's the thing. Like when I 323 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: was on can You Duet? Like I was calling him 324 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: in the stall, going John, I don't know what to do. 325 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, Like they chose me 326 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: and not Diana, like you know what do I do? 327 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: And you were you were the one that you You 328 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: were the one that got me in singing. Remember I 329 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: know I'm a reflector. Yeah, like you were like I 330 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: brought out your greatest and he goes, I will propose 331 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: to you when you learn Angel from Montgomery on guitar. 332 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: And I went home and I was like, how am 333 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: I gonna learn this as fast as I get on guitar? 334 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: Make me an angel? Yeah from Montgomery? And so I 335 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: was just like yeah, I just I wanted that, and um, 336 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: but we ended up. Yeah. One of the times was 337 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: I had we have broke up a good zillion times 338 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: because it called Christina every two days. I need Christina 339 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: once or twice when we were fighting, I might have 340 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: got upset and said Christie because it was she was 341 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: completely you were my Christina. I was trying to fill 342 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: that void of my broken heart that I so I 343 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: would accidentally call you by that name when we really 344 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: would get angry at one another, and you'd be like, see, 345 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I think that's it, that's it, but I think we're 346 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: going to do with me everything. And you know there's 347 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: truth to that. So that was the one thing that 348 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: I really wanted to tell you, is that I try 349 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: to make you something that you weren't. I wasn't healed, 350 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: I hadn't taken time to heal myself from that broken heart, 351 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: and and I I just wanted you to shine and 352 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: not me to shine at the same time. And I 353 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: was so happy that I was able to do something 354 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: with you that brought out these qualities that you had, 355 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: but I forgot about me and that's not fair to you. 356 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: And I think I'm the thank you for saying that. 357 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: But I think also on that was I was trying 358 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: to fill a void and there was no way you 359 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: could have ever filled my need for love and my 360 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: respect for myself and love for myself. Like I was 361 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: just always wanting to be loved and desired and chosen. 362 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: And you could have chosen me ten times over, but 363 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: I had to choose myself before. Yeah, you know, and 364 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: that's why we were always unfortunately, we were two very 365 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: unhealed souls that came together kept licking each other's wounds. Yeah. 366 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: And and I think there's something beautiful about like recognizing 367 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: that and seeing that and knowing that, like, yes, I 368 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: hurt you in many ways, you hurt me in many ways. Um, 369 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: and we can both go. But we're not bad people. No, 370 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, we had wounds that needed to be healed 371 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: and um, and we needed to do growth separately and 372 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: so and I've always felt bad about that. And so 373 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: I remember I reached out to you when I was 374 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: married to Mike. This is before I found out about 375 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: the affairs and stuff. I said, hey, do you mind 376 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: if I email my ex Jonathan because I just have 377 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: a lot of I was like, I don't like negative 378 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: energy out in the universe, and I just I feel 379 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: bad for some of the things that I did in 380 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: that relationship and I just want to say I'm sorry. 381 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: And so I emailed you. What did you do? What? 382 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: What did you do? What? Do you what do you 383 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: emailed you? Yeah, that's about what about which time? Where 384 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: are we? This is just before Dancing with the Stars. Well, 385 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. When before when I 386 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: was married to Mike, and this was before I found up, 387 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: before cheating, so you got there's like there's been so 388 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: many layers of that. I mean, come on, just track 389 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: before Okay, yes, before I was Jolie was maybe two 390 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: months old. Okay, okay, we're there because you moved to 391 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: l A again. Yes, yeah, that's you reached out because 392 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: you wanted more coaching, you wanted my acting. But I 393 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: really do have an audition coming up for Netflix, and 394 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: I really wanted so I really could use your help. Um, 395 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: but no, so but I emailed you and you wrote 396 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: back and you were just like, I'm married and not 397 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: that I wanted to get Obviously I was married too, 398 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: but I just wanted but you were just wasn't received, 399 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: which is okay some people maybe just the relationship. You 400 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: didn't want to. And then she wind up being in 401 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: front of my house and I come out down the dryway, kid, 402 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: you not, I walked, I come out of my house. 403 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: I walked down the driveway and there's Channa across the street. 404 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: She's looking at house. Why didn't get the house and 405 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: cross not? Did that not? Have that happened? Well? It did, 406 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: But can we back up for something? Just like I 407 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: was like, okay, all right, all right, chees here again 408 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: at my door. No, but you when you found out 409 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: the first time about Mike having an affair, so, um, 410 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't know any of that. You emailed me and 411 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: you said I heard you got Dancing with the Stars. 412 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about your husband cheating on you. I 413 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: know you have a beautiful baby, and if you need anything, 414 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm here for you and my wife. And I just 415 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: remember being so thankful in that moment because I was 416 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: going to l A with my four month old daughter. 417 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: My ex was in rehab, and well I didn't say 418 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: about Mike cheating for sure, because I would never say that. 419 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: I just knew that you could need help. Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, 420 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, I heard what happened and I'm sorry 421 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: and that you may need some help. If you need 422 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: some help, you're coming in l A, yep. And so 423 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: he's like, if you need any baby stuff, and I'm like, 424 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how long I'm gonna be on Dancing 425 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: with the Stars. So I was like, yeah, I would 426 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: love a crib so my Jolie doesn't have to be 427 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: in a pack and play. You know, this will be great. 428 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: And he's like, so my tour manager gotten in contact 429 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: with his wife Julie, and pretty much I haven't left 430 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: Julie side since then. We just hit it off. She's 431 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: the coolest chick in America. She's so much fun. And 432 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: you guys were then. You guys became family. You helped 433 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: Mike and I with things, and I mean I remember 434 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: one of our sessions, but Mike and I got into 435 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: a fight. Like Julie picked him up underneath the King 436 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: he was walking and she was like, why don't you 437 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: call an uber? And he's like, I can't. I have 438 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: a flip phone. She's like I was Mike was walking 439 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: down the street. Oh my god. He was just like devastated. 440 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I was like, kids, hey, okay, 441 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean to go get him, you know. But I 442 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: mean we became I mean, Jolie became best friends with Camden, 443 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: your son. Um, we lived less than a mile apart 444 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: from each other. Um, we would have dinners. You would 445 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: help me with auditions. You were in the hospital with 446 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: me when jays was six months six weeks old getting 447 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: a spinal tap because Mike had to stay with Jolie 448 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: and Julie couldn't come, And so You're like, I'm there 449 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: because I'm like I don't want to be alone. And 450 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: you came and like we were like this in the hospital, 451 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: they take Jay's they closed the curtains. Kid you not, 452 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: they closed the curtains and they wouldn't let her anywhere 453 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: near him. Yeah, and I I, you just were a 454 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: ball of some motion and it was I held you 455 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: while he was getting toward you, screaming like I didn't 456 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: know about that. That was insane. That was really really sad. Yeah, 457 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: poor little boy. UM. But all that to say, like, 458 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: and then we shared a moving truck from Los Angeles 459 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: to Nashville. Um, and then we had the We moved 460 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: to Nashville, Tennessee on the same day and we flew 461 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: on the same flight. Remember I do not know if 462 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: that was planned from you doing Julie or but I 463 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: just remember being in the seat going no one could 464 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: you could write this, you could like this is so 465 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: freaking bizarre that we were moving to Nashville, Tennessee, at 466 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: the same time, on the same day, on the same flight, 467 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: with the same moving truck, with our things altogether. But 468 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: that's how cool, Julie, And that's you know, we were 469 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: all like friends and it was family, which I think 470 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: when I saw and this is where we then had 471 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: How long ago was that? Um it was overy almost 472 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. Yeah, where you tweeted 473 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: something about our you tweeted our wedding photo. Oh yeah, 474 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: so Cannon came Cannon saw that. I don't know worry 475 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: I saw him the phone, I think, or the pad, 476 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: you know how the pad and the phone kind of magnified. 477 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: They had the same thing on him that came up, 478 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: and he was just asking a lot of questions about 479 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: you and me. And I just said on Twitter, which 480 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: I use like almost like um, it's just it's like 481 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: a texting I either put all my thoughts in my 482 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: feelings on there. I just put out there. I don't 483 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: have the kind of fan base or fans that you have. 484 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: Uh and uh. I didn't think anything would ever come 485 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: of it. I thought that maybe one day you and 486 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: I would actually have a conversation about what that was 487 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: all about, and Uh. Yeah, So I included you because 488 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: it's not like every day you've you see that and 489 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: had that experience. I was like, it was something we're 490 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,239 Speaker 1: really gonna have to tell our to talk to our 491 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: children about not only you, but I have to talk 492 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: to her, Camden and Lily about Christina, you know, because 493 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: there there's a lot of um gossip out there. And 494 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: then I saw what the reason I reached out. I 495 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: saw that, um and I saw it, but it was 496 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: like you, this podcast was you getting back your voice 497 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: because of all the people talking about you and all 498 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: the things that they talked about you all the time. 499 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: Because they talked about you all the time. Yeah, So 500 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: I thought, well, I didn't really realize that that was 501 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: what this was for, and that I think I'm in 502 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: the space to be able to to talk about those 503 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: things because I am rewriting the end of my story 504 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: and you were a big help in me getting to 505 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: that place. UM, And so I thought we should talk 506 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: about it. Mhm. I mean yeah, I mean, I'm I agree. 507 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: And I also I felt like when I saw the 508 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: you know what, like her, when I saw what you 509 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: had said about our I call it up our party, 510 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: part our wedding it was a party the end of 511 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: the day, like we weren't. Yes, we were technically married, 512 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: but like it was a party that I brought my grandma, 513 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: I know, and I know that like her like, but 514 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: we both like that we would have never made our 515 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: marriage work because we weren't the right person for each other. 516 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: Like Julie is your person to the day you die, 517 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: like you guys are meant your souls are meant to 518 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: be together. We were two lost souls trying to fill 519 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: that void those pieces. Jenna, You're an incredible human being. 520 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: I wanted wanted that to be part of my life. 521 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: I thought that you would heal me and make my 522 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: life better, and I thought I had to marry you 523 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: to get that. So it wasn't just a party to me. 524 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: I know, we really fought on trying to get the 525 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: pastor um and get an understanding of what we were doing. 526 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just about the got US magazine, US 527 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: Weekly or whoever was covering it and paying for most 528 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: of it. Um. It was. It was much deeper for me. 529 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I think that we weren't ready and 530 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: we you know, my father, my friend Clifton, they're all 531 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: like you. You can't see what we can see. And 532 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: it's nothing to do with you. It was about me. 533 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: You're not You're not there to to you know, have 534 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: that connection like I am there now Julie, because Julie 535 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: can really I reflect something differently than Julian and she's 536 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: a she's a perfect partner for me, and we've had children, 537 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: so that grounds it a lot more. But yeah, I 538 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: was I wanted the best in our marriage. I really 539 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: wanted to make it work well. And I'm sorry that 540 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: I wasn't able to be anywhere near what you what 541 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: I could have helped and loved, I wouldn't. I would 542 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: have been a disaster with like I was never I 543 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: had so much work to do on myself, and that was, 544 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, unfair of me to not notice that before 545 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: I took you know, your family to UM Michigan. And 546 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's one of those things were 547 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: you can I know, at least I can look back 548 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: now and know that obviously everything worked out the way 549 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: that it was meant to. But you know, I definitely 550 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: feel bad about anybody that I heard along the way, 551 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: including you and your family and UM, you know, the 552 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: this stuff that we know we talked about the tweet 553 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: and and all of that, and and for me, I 554 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: was kind of like, I didn't. I never looked at 555 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 1: it as something where it was a bad memory. I 556 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: looked at it as a memory that it was a memory, 557 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: and it was in that moment it felt really good. 558 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: But when I look back, it wasn't. I wasn't there, 559 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. I was there, yeah, I know, 560 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: me and Sophie were there. Sophie does sweet little baby, 561 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: So I guess, like when I had reached out for 562 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: the fifth dem ends after the whole Twitter thing again, 563 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, Julie's my best friend, Like, I don't want 564 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: it to be weird. I need acting lessons. I know, 565 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm like when kidding kind of um, but you know 566 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: you were just like no, because I hate I hate 567 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: that energy. Like even when we were celebrating Julie's birthday, 568 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, God, like if John shows up, like, 569 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: I don't want this to be weird because we had 570 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: the falling out over the talking about it on the podcast, 571 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 1: the Twitter and the photo and that it really has 572 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: nothing to do with that tweet. I'm certain of that. 573 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: I think it had to do with the fact that, um, 574 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: I had never really healed from the trauma of my life, 575 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: and I kept trying to band aid it and I didn't. 576 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't recognize it and I couldn't know what it 577 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: was and fake it till you make it. I was 578 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: trying always, and I just had this deep wound inside 579 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: that after you know, after after my first marriage, I 580 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: just never healed. I was supposed to be, okay, was 581 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: on all the tabloids. You know, people go through divorces 582 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: all the time. And I never healed. And that trauma 583 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: was such um traumas a time traveler and you know this. 584 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you really do know this. 585 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: And I always wanted to get to heal so that 586 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: you would know this. But it's a time traveler. So 587 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: when we don't address it, it comes and gets us 588 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: in the end. And uh, So my marriage was connected 589 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: to my career, everything about my work. It was you know, 590 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: Christina's an actress. We were in the limelight. I loved 591 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: her so much. I still love her so much. I'm 592 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: not I don't think Julie will ever be offended that 593 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: I would ever say that I loved her, and uh 594 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: and I loved you. Yeah, she's got a lot more 595 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: um ability to to hear that, right, um, but I 596 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: just never I never healed from Christina, and I don't. 597 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: I finally was starting to realize how broken my heart was, 598 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: and when you did that, I was trying to band 599 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: aid it. And I'm lucky to be alive. I did 600 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: not take good care of myself after that. I thought 601 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: the same thing had happened again, and I was I 602 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: was a victim, you would say to me, But I 603 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: was wounded and I was hurt, and I I'm just 604 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: lucky to be alive, and I'm grateful to have an 605 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: incredible family with two beautiful children that I love more 606 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: than anything, and I'm lucky to be alive from that experience. 607 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: So when I said no, I finally standing up for 608 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: myself because I recognized that Julie wanted your friendship and 609 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: it was important, and I felt that it was important 610 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: because she didn't have any friends in California. You didn't 611 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: have any friends in California. And we made that little 612 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: unit together, all of us. But when we're here, I 613 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: have Julie's family were raising these children. And when I 614 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: brought that up about Camden, recognizing and seeing that we 615 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: were we were more than just friends. I thought it 616 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: was really important for us to talk about it, and 617 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be just in the tabloids. It should be 618 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: a deeper conversation. But Twitter maybe a tabloid ish gossiping 619 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: thing to some people, but to me, it's saved my soul. Um. 620 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: And uh, you can follow me to learn more about 621 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: Twitter and my experience with Twitter. Yeah, so that's when 622 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: do you think that you finally healed from your first marriage? 623 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: Almost five years ago? When h July seven, when I 624 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: decided that I would never hate myself again, that I 625 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: gave up shaming myself. Did you shame yourself for the 626 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: marriage not working out or shame yourself because it didn't 627 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: where what was the shame? The shame was about. The 628 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: shame definitely stem from that being enough, But that not 629 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: being enough was my childhood learning differences, being dyslexic and 630 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: not being able to compete in certain areas of education. Uh, 631 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: my father try to take his own life. It was 632 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: a complete reflection of UM, my childhood trauma. Um, and 633 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: that I never ever healed from that. And then it 634 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: was from being molested on this nine nine two, my 635 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: very first screen test for director named Franco Zeffarelli and 636 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: not being able to recognize what that was and how 637 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: I allow that to happen. Um, those three very deep 638 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: places in me. I have recognized that's where all the 639 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: shame comes from. And I have given up hating myself 640 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: or thinking less of myself, um, and finally able to 641 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: love myself. Because I was on a baseball field. I 642 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: was coaching my little little little boy. Yeah, and it's 643 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: just a little league coach, And I was like, why 644 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: why do I think I'm not enough to coach these 645 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: little leaguers? What is that all about? Why? It's just 646 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: like I couldn't understand why I hated myself and I 647 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 1: had such pity and low self esteem. And my mom 648 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: kept saying, why don't you believe in yourself? John? Just 649 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: so much? And I started to really look at that, 650 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: and I recognized it as shame that that I'm guilty 651 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: of doing anything wrong. I've done a lot wrong things 652 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: in my life, and I've done a long wrong wrong 653 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,919 Speaker 1: to you. Um. And a lot of my friends would 654 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: be like, you should really just tell her you're sorry, 655 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: And I think I have numerous times, but I never 656 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: understood where they were coming from. And that shame is 657 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: not that I did anything wrong, that I am what 658 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: I felt that I was wrong. So it wasn't that 659 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: I did anything wrong, is that I was wrong. And 660 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: so every time I drank, did drugs, add sex or 661 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: you know, a liaison with anyone. UM, I was just 662 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: trying to band aid these things in me that just 663 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: we're haunting me, that wanted me to take my own 664 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: life and uh on the little good field. One day 665 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: I realized that my son deserves so much more, so 666 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: much more of me, and I needed to show up 667 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: and I have. I showed up fully every day for 668 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: the last five years, almost five years now. Well, thank 669 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: you for sharing that. I mean, I know a lot 670 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: of things you said in that too. There's so many 671 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: people that have shame, that hold onto shame. I mean, 672 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: I know my AX dealt with holding onto shame and 673 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: that will eat you alive and destroy everything in its path. 674 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: And it's a cancer. It causes that I've had that 675 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: happen to my UM, with my people in my life. 676 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: The shame is so strong that they're manifest into something. 677 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: You know, You've got to think our bodies just like 678 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: it's watered fluid. We're always moving and if we one 679 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: of these things, you know, like my throat. I had 680 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: a serious problem with my throat from not having my 681 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: voice for so long, and it's gonna manifest if you 682 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: hold on into it, it's going to kill you one 683 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: way or the other. Yeah, I mean that's I did 684 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: this thing in my therapy session the other day because 685 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 1: it's it's a um been a year since I filed 686 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: for divorce um today actually, And my therapist made me 687 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: put these rocks into this bowl of water, all of 688 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: all the things that I have still been like holding 689 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: onto and um, and I she's like, now carry the 690 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: bowl and I was like it was so heavy, and 691 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: then you know, she made right on all the rocks 692 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: to the things that like I was like holding onto. 693 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 1: And then we took the rocks out of the water 694 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: and then I held the bowl and I was like, 695 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: I just feels so much better, you know, just having 696 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: that that weight lifted and the lightness. And it's like, 697 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: why are you carrying all these pieces that they're not 698 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: for you anymore? There's yah things that you have regret 699 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,959 Speaker 1: or things that you are scared or fear, but they're 700 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: not yours to carry anymore. And it's okay to release them. 701 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you've you know, I don't know. 702 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: It's just it's very It's it's a beautiful thing when 703 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: you can release and just have at weight off of 704 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: you and not carry it. It's when you're able to 705 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: give it over to something greater than you and have 706 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: faith in that. Mhmm, have you done that yet? Let's 707 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: take a break and we'll be right back. Um have 708 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: I done? What have you given over to let that 709 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: all go? So I got baptized and that was the 710 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: first step this year, and I have to go put 711 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: the rocks in a stream this week. Sometimes keeping him 712 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: feels safe. That makes sense. Oh yeah, But it doesn't 713 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: mean like I have you know, I'm so far Like 714 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 1: you know, people are like, you're still obsessed. Your AX 715 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with my ax. I'm not like, 716 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm not in love with my X anymore. I don't. 717 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: It's all my personal stuff that I've held out too shame, 718 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: Like you've said, are not feeling good enough for my kids, 719 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: not being with them all the time, And so it's 720 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: it's colding onto all that weight that isn't mine anymore. 721 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited to do that because I 722 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: have let go of so much and freed myself of 723 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have anxiety like I did in 724 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: my past, and it's so nice to be able to, 725 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: you know, let people have their own emotions and not 726 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: take it down. And there's so much growth that I've 727 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: experienced in the last year. But I think healing is 728 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: ever evolving, and you continue to learn and you continue 729 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: to things, some things might continue to pop up. So 730 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm excited that I continued to heal and learn. But 731 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: I have let go of most of the way and 732 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: the rest is going to be in a stream in 733 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: about a week. So yeah, so are we good? Like? Uh, 734 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, Okay. I think we 735 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 1: had to reflect on it a little bit, a little bit. Um. 736 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: You know, when I fell in love with you, h 737 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: I fell in love with you when that little Boston Yeah, 738 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: and you cried and I just was like, God, I 739 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: could see her, you can see inside you, and I 740 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: wanted that. Mm hm. That was a horrible thing. Yeah, 741 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: And a Boston here and that died and brutally murdered 742 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: by a pit pull. It's terrible. Poor little Mia, she said, 743 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: there was Sophie. Um, but I think this is a 744 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And I think if you if people are 745 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: holding onto like again, releasing the shame. Also, I think 746 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: it's okay to reach out to people that you have 747 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: hurt in your past and just know that it might 748 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: not be received. There's times when I've reached out to 749 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: people and they've received it. They haven't received it. But 750 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: I think it's good to make an amends, not not 751 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: hoping for the other person to say it's okay. It 752 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: is never okay, but thank You don't know what I'm 753 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: trying to say. Like, I think it's making amends because 754 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: you want to, not because you want the person to 755 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,800 Speaker 1: say it's okay, all good and to feel better about yourself. 756 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. You can't expect it to be all yeah, 757 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: like hunky dorry, But if you've got like, don't hold 758 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: onto it and say like say sorry, apologize and and 759 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 1: just I think amends is a beautiful thing. I didn't 760 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: know that, you know, it was before you you know, 761 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: Mike broke up or separated or whatever you guys were 762 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: done to force today it's a full moon today. Wow. 763 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: So I thought that that was probably why I reached out, 764 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: that it was time to reflect on something that was 765 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: important for our families, for your ex as well, and 766 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: beautiful little children. So you know, I care a great 767 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: deal about I think that's really why we have to 768 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 1: heal so that they don't carry that trauma. And that's 769 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,919 Speaker 1: possible and so well, shifting gears. You have a movie 770 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: coming out. I have a movie called Frank and Frank 771 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: and Penelope, and you have bleached blonde hair in it, right, 772 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: I have platinum Platinum. Yeah, that's so. I was like, 773 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you still had it because it 774 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: was a good look. I like it. Oh my god, 775 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: it was awesome. What's the movie about? Tell tell our 776 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: listeners and where can they watch it? It's like, um, 777 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,479 Speaker 1: the movie Wrong Turn. You don't want to go down 778 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: that road, and once you did, you know you're in 779 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 1: the wrong Turn. And I'm the guys that I'm I'm 780 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: the group the cult that you meet and you think 781 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna heal your soul, and they're not. They're to 782 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: just heal your soul, um, but to take something so 783 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: that you if you they basically really uh it's called 784 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: sin eaters. Okay, I know that one. Didn't you write that? 785 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: I remember you were writing like some something eaters. What 786 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: was that thing? I was called eater? Yeah, yeah, I 787 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:18,479 Speaker 1: wat that for NBC. Okay, Elizabeth Moss started it. Yeah, 788 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: I remember that. Ye're one beautiful thing is you did 789 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,280 Speaker 1: reflect me to really believe in myself and to write 790 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: and produce and direct. I did all that stuff with you. 791 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: You're great at that. Yeah. I mean we, uh we 792 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: see other people just like you saw my music. You 793 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: saw you know, I saw something else in news. So 794 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: we did bring a lot of great qualities out in 795 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: each other, and it just you you know what. I 796 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: remember you saying this has happened to me too. When 797 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: I was uh, really doing well. I got to this 798 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,240 Speaker 1: place where I felt like sharks, Like it's shark infested waters. 799 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: And one time you called me when you're doing really well, 800 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: your album was going up. All these people wanted a 801 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: piece of you, and you were like, it's like sharks 802 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: are swarming me and like, I just don't know who 803 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: to trust. And I kept trying to say, you've got 804 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,879 Speaker 1: to trust yourself, and I was like, she's not there. 805 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:22,919 Speaker 1: She's just gonna get eaten alive. Yeah, and drug underwater? Um, John, 806 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: where can our wind down? Listeners? Follow you and John 807 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: check j O H N s H A E C H. 808 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: Can we unblock each other on Instagram? Yeah? Unblocked? Yeah, 809 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 1: N blocked the phone. I must didn't make it here 810 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: because I was like, gosh, she doesn't read her emails. 811 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: I am not going to be able to get here. 812 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, thank you for coming on. And 813 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: is there anything that you want to say to the listeners, 814 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: anything you want to say just as a yeah, I 815 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: didn't get to say this one thing about you. Oh 816 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: we're going to me okay, I was even more good 817 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: nice for listeners. Well, you are an extra nary talent 818 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,399 Speaker 1: and I think everyone here can relate to you in 819 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: a certain way and if they could support and you 820 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: and all your endeavors and even the ones that you 821 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: haven't fulfilled yet, that I think that you you have 822 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: a place still to go with your career. Because anything 823 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: you've ever no one in my life has ever done this, 824 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: anything you've wanted to accomplish you have. You need to 825 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,879 Speaker 1: stick with it and stay there and and um don't 826 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 1: take control of it. Let it take you right And 827 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 1: that's your fan base needs to support that. You need 828 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: to go to the next place because you have this 829 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: ability to constantly fight for those things, but you just 830 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: have to trust that they're going to go there. Like 831 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: you're you're singing your next album, you know, dancing with 832 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: the Stars. I mean, it was amazing what you did. 833 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: It was astounding even your acting career, like like watching 834 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,359 Speaker 1: you and just I think you just a little bit. 835 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: You're And I talked to Richard marks Um. I know 836 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: he's awesome, and he's just like she just she had 837 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: never she didn't trust herself in this recording session. Both 838 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: like harmonies, you're never saying harmonies before. And he gave 839 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,360 Speaker 1: you some lessons right there. You're so, you're so you 840 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: take direction really well and you just flow and and 841 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: I would hope that this audience would embrace that instead 842 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: of attacking you all the time. I know that the 843 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 1: core people that are here if they need to just 844 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: embrace you and and help you fulfill your your biggest potential, 845 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: your fullest potential. Yeah, I I approved that message. Well, John, 846 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: thank you, Katherine, you get over there. That was good. 847 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: I loved this. I think this is good. I think 848 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: that was a good stuff to listen to. The producer 849 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: agree he did, Everything's okay. Easton is the producer, Katherine's 850 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: just my co host. You don't on camera though, She's like, 851 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit in the couch with you. 852 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 1: How is that Easton? Excellent episode. You guys did a 853 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: great job. Thank you all right, Well, I think that 854 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: was very good and there's a lot of things that 855 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: came out. Yeah, it was a lot. Um. Did y'all 856 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: even really? I mean I was kind of just sit 857 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,400 Speaker 1: over here, but did y'all actually make amends for what 858 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: happened last? So? I think I think it was like 859 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: not like the whole Twitter incident that happened. I think 860 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: he was saying, it's so much bigger than the Twitter thing. Okay, Yeah, 861 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 1: I think he was like going back. Yeah. And so 862 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 1: I think it was like because I always played it 863 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: off as like it was a party, It was like 864 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: a you know, it was just like because I was 865 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 1: we were married for a week and then and then 866 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: that was that was that, um and um. And so 867 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,799 Speaker 1: I think he was kind of like but it was 868 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 1: something to him and and for me, I was just 869 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: so I didn't know how to call off the wedding 870 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: and all, you know, and just and I think there 871 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: was hurt in that, like you know, his parents were 872 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,880 Speaker 1: there and his grant you know, and so it's like 873 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: where it was. I think the amends was the like, 874 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I kind of looked at it as 875 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: a Yeah, you could tell when you said that he 876 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: was kind of like, but I didn't see it as 877 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: a party for sure. And so I think it was 878 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: so much beyond the pettiness of the Twitter and the 879 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: whole like one and like that he posted our wedding 880 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: photo and why would he do that? And it was 881 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: just it was still the hurt of the like the 882 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,279 Speaker 1: way back past goes back. Yeah, so I think so 883 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: I think, I think, you know, and like he said, 884 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: like he's got his family and friends here, and um, 885 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, we'll never be that unit. I don't think 886 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: that we were in l A because we didn't have 887 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: any We just had each other, all of us. Um, 888 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: But at least now when I'm around Julie, it's and 889 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: I can go to their house now and you know, 890 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,400 Speaker 1: like it's not like a going to be any kind 891 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,319 Speaker 1: of awkward situations. So that, you know, and because I do, 892 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 1: like I respect him, I respect his you know, I 893 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: love his family, and I you know, I love his 894 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,400 Speaker 1: heart and what he does and all the you know, 895 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: so I'm glad that the error I feel like was cleared. Yeah, 896 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,280 Speaker 1: it sounds like it. I was just a little trying 897 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 1: to figure out if we but yeah, I think you're right. 898 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: I think it was definitely the bigger picture. Um, I 899 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 1: think it sounds like he was kind of being the 900 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,759 Speaker 1: bigger man when y'all wanted to be friends in l 901 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,239 Speaker 1: A like y'all didn't have friends. But because he's probably 902 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 1: now she's friends with Julie. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, 903 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,319 Speaker 1: let's just all face it. That probably wasn't, you know, 904 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,439 Speaker 1: the most normal thing in his world. But but hey, 905 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: I mean, good for him. Now y'all can clear the 906 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 1: air and move on, yeah and block each other. You 907 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: know what April sixteenth was the day we found out everything? 908 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,400 Speaker 1: Was that Friday? Right? Yeah? But today it was April 909 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:28,360 Speaker 1: six crazy. It's amazing. What a year does. Yeah, I 910 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: can rebly. I cannot believe it's been a year. I 911 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: can't either. You're doing great, Thanks, Catherine, You're welcome. All right, Well, 912 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: that was a wild ride and I gotta go put 913 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: my rocks in some water. Have that experience weave to daisies. 914 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: What a week What a week. I loved going on. 915 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 1: It's good, it's growth healing, right, yeah, it's great. How's 916 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 1: therapy for you going? Yeah, that's another episode. Alright, okay, um, 917 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,760 Speaker 1: see you guys next week on another thrilling podcast episode. 918 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: Hi guys, Bye bye