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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome stuff Never

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Speaker 1: Told You production of iHeart Radio and today welcome to

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Speaker 1: another sub sub sub sub sub segment, Fictional Women around

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Speaker 1: the World. This is a special one because, as it

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Speaker 1: comes out, it is Christmas Eve. Happy Christmas Eve to

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Speaker 1: anyone who celebrates Chris, Happy Christmas to whoever, Happy Day tooever,

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Speaker 1: good luck. Because of that, I thought I'd do something

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Speaker 1: a little different for this fictional Women around the World,

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Speaker 1: and we would just talk about some popular tropes around

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Speaker 1: women in holiday movies, because there are a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: starting with the workaholic. And we briefly discussed this in

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Speaker 1: one of my recent happy hours about how I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've sort of been put into this trope. This

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Speaker 1: is the woman who puts her career first and now

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Speaker 1: her life is meaningless. She has to go home for

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Speaker 1: Christmas for some reason and then finds out it's all

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Speaker 1: a line. Here we go she finds the meaning of Christmas,

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Speaker 1: usually because of the related trope the hunk who shows

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Speaker 1: her life is more than work. They're always like a carpenter, yeah,

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Speaker 1: or they work at like the local store and they

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Speaker 1: have they wear a lot of plaids.

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Speaker 2: Or they own a bookstore, yes, than the Go to

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Speaker 2: Go two things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess I should put a disclaimer here.

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Speaker 1: I have seen plenty of holiday movies, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: like I haven't delved into Hallmark at all, Like I

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Speaker 1: don't know even I though I know some of these,

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Speaker 3: Hey, I was actually thinking about this because it is

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Speaker 3: now on the advertising for Google TV. So if you know,

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Speaker 3: if you have that as you know ro Google TV,

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Speaker 3: Google TV, they show you holiday movies you might want

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Speaker 3: to watch in The Hallmark channel is absolutely featured.

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Speaker 2: Old school days.

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Speaker 3: To be in a Hallmark movie meant that you were

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Speaker 3: about to make it, like you haven't quite made it,

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Speaker 3: but you've been on either a kind of a syndicated

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Speaker 3: show or you're about like you're jumping from TV to

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Speaker 3: movies like you Like I just saw it with like

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Speaker 3: Skate Ulerich I think and Carry Russell. Yeah, so Skate

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Speaker 3: Oleridge and Carrie Russell's old, old old Hallmark movie And

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Speaker 3: I was like, my god, did they do one?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: It was way back when, and I think it was

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Speaker 3: at the era of her being in Felicity and like

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Speaker 3: her hair was being talked about because for some reason,

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Speaker 3: the nineties era of like women in hair like that,

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Speaker 3: everybody wanted that haircut anyway. But I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think once upon a time when Tiffany and Berthieson

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Speaker 3: was getting off of Saved by the Bell, she was

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Speaker 3: in a crime Hallmark Lifetime movie. Like it was weird

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Speaker 3: because at that point, Lifetime on Hallmark one in the

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Speaker 3: same like they were featuring because Hallmark channel wasn't its

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Speaker 3: own channel, it was all being featured on Lifetime. I'm old,

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Speaker 3: just go work and being with me, and so you

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Speaker 3: would have both. But like it's so fantastictually just pulled

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was a real movie and I just thought.

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Speaker 3: It was Hallmark version, but I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, wow, to truly have made it.

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Speaker 3: And now it's people who have either their career needs

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Speaker 3: to be revived or we've never heard of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, like I said, if you could get a good

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Speaker 1: Christmas movie, like I've said before, I haven't said it

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Speaker 1: in this current episode, but like I've said before, if

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Speaker 1: you can get a good Christmas movie, that's kind of

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Speaker 1: a guaranteed yearly income moneymaker.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I do have a friend who was on Sminty back

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Speaker 1: Hallmark movies and she talked she broke it all down

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Speaker 1: for me. But these tropes, I mean, I feel like

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Speaker 1: they've infiltrated. They've infiltrated. And this was part of the

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Speaker 1: reason I wanted to talk about it was my mom.

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Speaker 1: She got it in her head. She wanted to watch

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Speaker 1: Hot Frosty and I was like.

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Speaker 2: He's a gay Hellmark movie.

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Speaker 1: It you don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: No, oh, it's about No, it's not man, It's about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, love is fanned.

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Speaker 2: I guess was the title Hot Frosty?

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Speaker 1: Really? Yes, I have heard some people like it, and

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Speaker 2: Watch it, did you No? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Now, well, my mom. I love her to death, but

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Speaker 1: within like the first twenty minutes, so I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be stuck watching Hot Frosty about myself,

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Speaker 1: classic about how I brought up all this debate about

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Speaker 1: what a Simon role actually is the tripe. So I

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Speaker 2: Uh, I guess.

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Speaker 1: I disagree, but I think, yes, I can see it.

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Speaker 1: I can see it, but I haven't. I haven't watched

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Speaker 1: the movie, so I got to do that before I

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Speaker 2: Finally disagreeing already, Dal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, based on the article I read about it

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Speaker 1: their points, I disagree, but I haven't seen the movie,

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Speaker 1: so I'll have to watch and then I can judge.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, my mom will fall asleep in it, i'd

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Speaker 1: I wasn't in that place at the current moment. So

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Speaker 1: here is a quote from mc sweeney's about the kind

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Speaker 1: of workout workaholic Christmas movie woman. Sure she gets great

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Speaker 1: satisfaction from maintaining her independence, achieving her goals, and surrounding

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Speaker 1: herself with people who challenge and inspire her, but it's

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Speaker 1: time for her to stop working and start living the

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Speaker 1: Hallmark way. It's time for her to go home for

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Speaker 1: the holidays. Once home, she will agree to whichever of

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Speaker 1: her parents is still living. She's required to miss at

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Speaker 1: least one of them tragically. Then she must bump into

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Speaker 1: when she was still young and carefree, before she'd had

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Speaker 1: really finished developing. He knows the real herb perfect It's

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Speaker 1: a really great article. It's satirical, I hope, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: it has a lot, a lot, a lot of great quotes,

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Speaker 1: so if you're interested, I would say go check that out.

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Speaker 1: Also related is the perfectionist, and this is sort of

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Speaker 1: and all of that. That is also a popular trope.

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Speaker 1: These last two are the ones I'm most familiar with.

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Speaker 1: The nagging mom. This this is the woman who does

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Speaker 1: It's usually like she asked him to do the one

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Speaker 2: The hero, like he becomes Santa Claus.

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Speaker 1: He becomes Santa Claus. That's a big one orgy jingle

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Speaker 1: all the way, which, by the way, has a post

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Speaker 3: I like that ending like yeah yeah, and his face

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Speaker 3: like the Blue Boars are like, oh yeah, it like

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Speaker 3: away from me this time as well, So I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was reading an article before this about

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Speaker 1: kind of annoyingly bragging about how our relationship is so

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Speaker 1: don't know right. It was interesting though.

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Speaker 3: But guarantee he would have been embarrassed if they didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and she was saying, like a lot of

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Speaker 2: Right, No, she is, but he was still feel embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is such a trope, especially in Admittedly,

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Speaker 1: my data set of like holiday movies is from when

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Speaker 1: not sure if it's changed, but in the nineties this

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Speaker 2: Well, just like a Disney movie.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of movies about like parents dying

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, prancer. That traumatized me.

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Speaker 3: I hate it with a passion, hate it with everything

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Speaker 2: Everything about it makes me angry. This is why I

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Speaker 2: don't get into the Christmas spirit. I think movies.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. There is another related trope I would say,

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Speaker 1: which is that the mom who is underappreciated and puts

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Speaker 1: Like of love actually happy? But they say, like, she's

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Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair.

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Speaker 3: She finds out that her husband is talking to a

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Speaker 3: Like she's also tired of him, and also taking kind

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Speaker 1: a festive film is akin to being a social pariah.

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Speaker 1: Your entire purpose is to find love before the credits roll.

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Speaker 1: Killers are singing album myself. See The Holiday and Bridget

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Speaker 1: Jones's diary for proof. It's true, it's true.

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Speaker 3: Well apparently there's a gay Christmas movie.

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Speaker 2: You single all the way, There's there's more.

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Speaker 3: I just love, honestly that a bunch of the movies

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: Happy holidays y'all. And I think I watched like Christmas

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but for plenty of us, you could even enjoy

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Speaker 2: We talked about this before recently. Cliche tropes, they're not

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Speaker 3: Frosty the Snowman is a young girl that rescues Frosty

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Speaker 3: There's several that's like that. I think it's always typically

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