Speaker 1: On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the Bechtel Cast. Hello
Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. I'm your host Caitlin
Speaker 1: Darante and your other host, Jamie Loftus, is en route
Speaker 1: and en route how do you say it? I don't
Speaker 1: know because she's stuck in traffic and we have to
Speaker 1: get started because our guest here has somewhere else to
Speaker 1: go soon. So just a quick recap of what this
Speaker 1: podcast is all about. Um. It's inspired by the Bechtel test,
Speaker 1: which is an analysis of narrative works, books, movies, things
Speaker 1: like that, where we discover whether or not there are
Speaker 1: more than two women, If so, do those two female
Speaker 1: characters talk to each other? And if so, is it
Speaker 1: about something other than a man. We take a movie,
Speaker 1: different movie every week, we talked about it, We bring
Speaker 1: a guest, and we discuss it's female characters. So, without
Speaker 1: much further ado, let me introduce our guests for this week.
Speaker 1: Sam Jay. She's a comic and she's great and we
Speaker 1: love her. Hey, what's thanks for being here? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. Is gonna be fun. You're
Speaker 1: talking about one of my favorite movies. Tell us, tell
Speaker 1: us the movie New Hope Star Wars episode for Yeah,
Speaker 1: what does this movie mean to you? I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: a big Star Wars fan and I f like, uh A,
Speaker 1: New Hope was just the first one I ever saw it, Like,
Speaker 1: I watched him in order when I was maybe like
Speaker 1: seven with my mom. The New Hope was the first
Speaker 1: one I saw it. It made me follow the story,
Speaker 1: and I'm a pretty much I'm a door for like
Speaker 1: stuff that sets up the story. I like that. I
Speaker 1: like those those movies that kind of give me all
Speaker 1: the players, you know what I mean. And it's one
Speaker 1: of those that kind of gives you all the players
Speaker 1: and why it is and what it is and it's
Speaker 1: so it's just one of my favorites. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: introduces you to the world that I've I've been into
Speaker 1: ever since. Yeah, this is a tangent, But you revealed
Speaker 1: to me that your favorite Star Wars movie is episode three,
Speaker 1: and I decided to disown you as a friend for
Speaker 1: few days after learning that. But we're back We're back,
Speaker 1: as friends said, was the best one. Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's just dope. It's just dope from getting in the
Speaker 1: end you get it's I mean like I silow, I
Speaker 1: love a thing that kind of puts puts the end
Speaker 1: of the beginning on. So for me, it's like explains
Speaker 1: all of it. Now you get all of it. You
Speaker 1: get why Vaders Vader? You get you get all luka
Speaker 1: la coming from. All the pieces are now finally together.
Speaker 1: How openI wan Invader's relationship you know parted ways? Like
Speaker 1: what how did it head that? Why is he in
Speaker 1: that suit? Now we know like all questions are answered
Speaker 1: and it's but you wouldn't appreciate that. How do you
Speaker 1: already not known like all the information from episodes four right,
Speaker 1: but it's still it still gave you. Buddy's turned to
Speaker 1: y'allold just turn Anakin's turn want It's like everybody's turning up.
Speaker 1: It's full turn up in Yeah, in the original trilogy,
Speaker 1: everyone's like old yeah, Like you get to see Yoda,
Speaker 1: like really will the lifesaber and like there was so
Speaker 1: many gangster parts, like when the clones all turning and
Speaker 1: Yoda was standing there, which you Bok with the two
Speaker 1: eas and then there was like the little uh not
Speaker 1: Stone Troopers, but the other clothes, the Clones whatever they are,
Speaker 1: those little robots and they were about to like turn Yoda,
Speaker 1: and Yoda just jumped behind them and cut their head off,
Speaker 1: and it was like, all right, let's roll, Like come on,
Speaker 1: I'm Yoda, Like really you thought I was gonna do
Speaker 1: that to me? Like that's crazy? He just dipped. That
Speaker 1: was It was dope. So many dope parts in that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I revisited. It's so good if you insist
Speaker 1: it's great. So normally I do at no one's request
Speaker 1: but my own a recap of the story. But we
Speaker 1: were hanging out the other day and you gave me
Speaker 1: a synopsis of the movie Roadhouse, which I was familiar with,
Speaker 1: and you did such a great job that I was
Speaker 1: wondering if you would want to do the recap for
Speaker 1: a New Hope. All right, so I watched a Love
Speaker 1: Star Wars, so they kind of like bleeding Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you're just chiming and I might need you on the
Speaker 1: strong ending. But from what I call you know, the
Speaker 1: New Hope is our introduction to a young Loop Skywalker
Speaker 1: he's on a tattoo which is just like a desert planet,
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, this ship is boring, like tattoo
Speaker 1: black as fuck, but it's on his uncle like you
Speaker 1: gotta stay here, y'all because like we got rhubob season
Speaker 1: coming up and we need you for that harvest. And
Speaker 1: he's like, but there's a whole life out here off tattooing.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be like a real nigger and
Speaker 1: they're like nah. So then like robot shows up, like yo,
Speaker 1: oh ship, this is a random mass robot. It looks
Speaker 1: like what the hell? And then he touched robot and
Speaker 1: it's a message from a hot bitch that's like mad flies.
Speaker 1: So she's like, yo, I'm mad sexy and I'm asta
Speaker 1: stuck and he's like I'm gonna save this chick because
Speaker 1: i ain't got nothing else to do, and yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that brings us to about twenty minutes into then
Speaker 1: he's like, so he meets Obi Wan. Yeah, he beats
Speaker 1: Obi Wan and he's like everyone's like creeping around and
Speaker 1: he's like, who's this old crazy dude? And his aunt
Speaker 1: and his uncle know was obi Wan day? Like No,
Speaker 1: he's just a crazy old dude. They't been what we
Speaker 1: want to start to like being like, yo, man, I
Speaker 1: know you feel it like this places whack, you should
Speaker 1: be not at this place, and looks like, yo, you're crazy,
Speaker 1: but you making somebsense to me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so then everyone was like, yeah, I'm just tell
Speaker 1: you real, bro, like Jedies is real. I'm one of
Speaker 1: them niggas. I could teach you how to be one
Speaker 1: of them niggas because you've got the forcing you money in.
Speaker 1: And then looks like I'm down for that because this
Speaker 1: board is hell and I don't want to be picking
Speaker 1: rubobs my whole life. And then they go. So they
Speaker 1: go to most Nicely and they meet because the uh
Speaker 1: we forgot to mention the Empire, and there after the
Speaker 1: two droids that have come into Luke's possession to escape.
Speaker 1: So then they go and meet Han Solo and Youka,
Speaker 1: so yeah they did. They had a bounce because the
Speaker 1: Empire they always losing droids. They're always losing their droids
Speaker 1: with information and stuff. So they capture some Georys lost
Speaker 1: some Joys, and Joys have vital information. They're trying to
Speaker 1: get the Joys back. Luke gets a possession of joys.
Speaker 1: They got a bounce so over once like we got
Speaker 1: to dip dip dive or we want still feels the
Speaker 1: force and stuff like they move and shaking bumping a
Speaker 1: Han Solo and Chewbacca. Han Solo is like a bad
Speaker 1: as Galaxy like pirate like smuggles smuggler like bootlegger type dude.
Speaker 1: So he's making all types of bare looking nerve hurder.
Speaker 1: But that's just me, all right, I would say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like a bootlegger of the galaxy. You know, theyking
Speaker 1: making slime deals, moving illegal contrabands around in the millennial
Speaker 1: millennial falcon with Chewbacca, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: looking them hook up and they just distracted Tons Solo
Speaker 1: from like his real naked task, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not really here for all that. I
Speaker 1: just like to get money and fus y'all got me
Speaker 1: and all his other stuff, right, So they mean they
Speaker 1: link up with him and then but they get captured
Speaker 1: by the death Star. Yeah, doesn't like catching them and
Speaker 1: a little a little little like the rain their beam
Speaker 1: of control control. So then they have to like be
Speaker 1: all sneaky and they managed to like evade the like
Speaker 1: the stormtroopers for a hot minute, and then they beat
Speaker 1: some of them up. They do the old switcher. They
Speaker 1: put the store and trooper suits on because like that's
Speaker 1: how you break into stuff, and then they get up
Speaker 1: in there like yo, we would, y'all. But then when
Speaker 1: they get up in then they take their homes off
Speaker 1: like now we us. And then they go and rescue
Speaker 1: Princess Leah up out of that ship like, yo, girl,
Speaker 1: we knew he was up in hand. We came to
Speaker 1: get you. And Hans like, wait a minute, she's bad.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad I came on this trip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but so it's Luke. It was like, oh I like
Speaker 1: her too. It was like I got a voted for
Speaker 1: they both go. They got and then so they managed
Speaker 1: to escape after some ruffles and scuffles, but not before
Speaker 1: there's a face off between Obi Wan and Darth Vader. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's the that's the apprentice and the teacher getting
Speaker 1: it back on since we want to cut off all
Speaker 1: his limbs is stuff. If he's like, now I'm super ill,
Speaker 1: obi Wan, and I'm definitely gonna kill you because like
Speaker 1: I got so much anger towards you by man, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, I know you're gonna kill me. That's how
Speaker 1: ill I am in the Force. Then I'm just chilling, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to die. Baby. Then they go at it.
Speaker 1: He kills really kind of just lets it happen. And
Speaker 1: then he wants like, now I'm super dupid ill with
Speaker 1: the Force because I'm am the Force. He's a forced ghost,
Speaker 1: which we learn you see you're like, here's like voice over.
Speaker 1: He's like ghost voiceover later in the movie. But then
Speaker 1: you see his like ghost form. Yeah. So then, uh,
Speaker 1: Luke is all sad about it, even though he knew
Speaker 1: Obi Wan for maybe a day, like two days, but
Speaker 1: we won't put him on a lot, so that's reasonable
Speaker 1: that he was hurt by it. So and then plus
Speaker 1: like Luke's just like Yo, Vader is not a good dude.
Speaker 1: Like he's just out heads thatching up hose off the galaxy.
Speaker 1: Now he just killed on my man's He's doing a
Speaker 1: lot of reckless stuff. Yeah. So then they regroup and
Speaker 1: they go to a rebel base and they like analyze
Speaker 1: the plans to destroy the Death Star. Meanwhile, Han, it's
Speaker 1: all like I was listening this for the money I
Speaker 1: got my money, I got my reward, peace out, see
Speaker 1: you later. And then Luke and some other pilots go
Speaker 1: and try to destroy the death Star and they do
Speaker 1: right they do, and then I said, and they blow
Speaker 1: it up. Han comes back and he's like just kidding him, back,
Speaker 1: I've got a heart of gold. He's I can't leave.
Speaker 1: I can't leave a heaven left, which is the same thing.
Speaker 1: And um, this episode seven friends come out, I can't
Speaker 1: be here. I gotta leave because these people they just like, no,
Speaker 1: I can't leave my boot. Hang out with my boot.
Speaker 1: And that's why Hans kind of his medt to it,
Speaker 1: because Hans like, I used to try to leave my
Speaker 1: host too. But I'm gonna tell you I did not
Speaker 1: do that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, because you're
Speaker 1: not a Jedi doesn't mean you can't train other people
Speaker 1: to do. It's really fitting in the same position as Hunt.
Speaker 1: He's not a Jedi either. He's just rolling with it.
Speaker 1: He's just rolling, you know what I'm saying. So he's
Speaker 1: kind of the same character, just in a different form.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's kind of like bringing on his tutelage,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yep, I got you so
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the Star. And then they blow up
Speaker 1: the Death Star and then there's a little ceremony at
Speaker 1: the end with that T shirt and they yeah, they do,
Speaker 1: they blow it up. And that's when like, now Vader
Speaker 1: has to like recognize like, y'all the forces with the forces,
Speaker 1: this disruption of force and the and the life side
Speaker 1: of forces, you know, coming back, and that the Jedi
Speaker 1: may return. Oh shit, but there's a whole movie in
Speaker 1: between that and the Jedi returning Empire. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're not here. We're not We're going. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna focus on a new hope. We're talking about this
Speaker 1: to sort of coincide with the release of Rogue one,
Speaker 1: which is coming out soon. So we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the female characters, of which there are two ones with
Speaker 1: speaking roles. And then I don't know if anyone else
Speaker 1: noticed this. I didn't notice this until this recent viewing.
Speaker 1: There are two women in the Cantina scene when they're
Speaker 1: at most easily trying to get on the Millennium falcon.
Speaker 1: Are we counting alien women as well? Well? It's hard
Speaker 1: since we're not familiar with those alien species, it's hard
Speaker 1: to tell some of them got titties though, so you know,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well yeah they do in Return of the
Speaker 1: Jedi for sure. In fact, some of them had more
Speaker 1: than two titties. Some of them had like Nate. But
Speaker 1: in a New Hope, you only see in that cantina
Speaker 1: seem there's a like a pair of twins women who
Speaker 1: are just hanging out getting drink or whatever. Other than that,
Speaker 1: there is Princess Leia, and there's Aunt Brew and Brew
Speaker 1: has maybe five minutes of screen. Yeah, She's like, you
Speaker 1: don't need to know anything about your life, Luke. That's
Speaker 1: more his uncle, so Brew is. She kind of stays
Speaker 1: silent until the end of that scene where Luke kind
Speaker 1: of storms off. He's like, what you're making me stay
Speaker 1: on for another season? I want to go to the
Speaker 1: academy this year. Me me. His uncle is all like whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll make it up to him next year, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you're fucking idiot. He has too much of his father. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's actually she's pro let him go. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: You all messed up. So that's pretty cool. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like and then the next scene time we see her,
Speaker 1: she's a burnt up corpse. That's like all fried and sizzled. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she has very little got that work. So the most
Speaker 1: notable female character is our friend Princess Leah. She's actually
Speaker 1: introduced really early on in the story. We meet her
Speaker 1: before we get Skywalker. No, even before that. There's a
Speaker 1: scene the first sequence we see is the like Imperial
Speaker 1: troops boarding I don't even know which ship they're on
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like, uh, Darth Vader. I almost hesitated
Speaker 1: to do an episode about Star Wars because there's gonna
Speaker 1: be so many nerds listening at home and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: the name of the ship is this, and it's this
Speaker 1: model and this they're on this planet, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and I know what happened. I only know the Star
Speaker 1: Wars information I have is what has been in episodes
Speaker 1: one through seven. I haven't read any comic books. I
Speaker 1: don't know anything that's cannon that has been established through
Speaker 1: like we're fans. Yeah exactly. Sometimes I have sex very
Speaker 1: very not just watching, not very often, not very often
Speaker 1: at all, but often enough where I don't have time
Speaker 1: to read busy so anyway, so I only know like
Speaker 1: the names of the planets that are mentioned in the movie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not all into I know what's going on, and
Speaker 1: I'm into the story of it, the battle vers and
Speaker 1: evil and the idea of you being in control of
Speaker 1: your energies and your destiny and all that good stuff,
Speaker 1: but I don't get down to all the like nay
Speaker 1: gritty details. So apologies to all the uber fans out there. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm probably not gonna like get all the names right
Speaker 1: everything anyway. So they're they're boarding the ship and Darth
Speaker 1: Vader busting. He's like, oh, you're a rebel spot She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm on a diplomatic mission to all. Yeah, that's you're
Speaker 1: a rebel spy and your piece of ship have come fight.
Speaker 1: And then I think that's when he takes her prisoner's again.
Speaker 1: We learned though that she's like able to wield a
Speaker 1: gun though, because and then she runs away and they're like, fusers,
Speaker 1: just done or whatever, and then they stun her and
Speaker 1: then they take her prisoner so that she does not
Speaker 1: appear on screen again, I don't think until fifty four
Speaker 1: minutes into and we're not talking about via Holograu, so yeah,
Speaker 1: technically she's on screen when she's Okay. Our other host,
Speaker 1: Jamie lock welcome, How are you my hamsters in? Safe
Speaker 1: and good? Oh yeah, you had to drop off your
Speaker 1: hamster for hamster sitting because you're going back out of
Speaker 1: town expectedly long hamster errand yeah, well I had to
Speaker 1: make small talk with the hamster city, like I can't
Speaker 1: just be like, here's my animals, see you in a week.
Speaker 1: But oh sure, sure you're a good person. I'm just
Speaker 1: a bad driver. Mostly we're good. We've been um, we've
Speaker 1: been chatting Star Wars good. So yeah, we were just
Speaker 1: we recapped the movie and we were just starting to
Speaker 1: introduce who the female characters were. We uh, there are
Speaker 1: a total of I think for them that I counted
Speaker 1: that you can see on screen. Only two of them
Speaker 1: have speaking roles. And we were just talking about Princess Leiah.
Speaker 1: We meet her early on and then we see her
Speaker 1: again as a hologram, and that's when Luke is all like,
Speaker 1: who is she? She's beautiful? Do I know she's my sister?
Speaker 1: But man, do I want to fuck her? We've all
Speaker 1: been there, We've in there. She's the most notable female
Speaker 1: character in episode four, but there are huge chunks of
Speaker 1: time where she is not on screen at all or
Speaker 1: if she is, she's in the version of a hologram,
Speaker 1: which means she's not really doing anything to influence the story.
Speaker 1: She's like, he's like an exposition the machine, because what
Speaker 1: does she say, first, we only hearsay helped me. I'll
Speaker 1: be one Kenobi, You're my only hope. And then a
Speaker 1: little later on they play back the entire message, which
Speaker 1: is like, I've stored information that's vital to the destruction
Speaker 1: of the death Star into this droid. Help me obi
Speaker 1: wan Kenobi. Yeah, she's a plot tool. Yeah, at least
Speaker 1: in the first act. She appears on screen again, not until,
Speaker 1: like I said, fifty four minutes into the movie, because
Speaker 1: there's a huge gap where like Luke and Han or
Speaker 1: like figuring shut out. She shows up again, and I
Speaker 1: think like the Empire is interrogating her, trying to figure
Speaker 1: out where the rebel bases, and she's like d'antoine and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, let's blow up all drawn anyway, Um,
Speaker 1: that seems pretty short, and then she disappears again for
Speaker 1: another several minutes and doesn't show up again until an
Speaker 1: hour and thirteen minutes into the story. Mind you, this
Speaker 1: is only a two hour film and that's when that's three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is like their for their third time on
Speaker 1: screen an hour and thir minutes into it, and that's
Speaker 1: when Luke goes to rescue her in the detention cell
Speaker 1: that she's being held captain him. So an instance of
Speaker 1: a man having to save a woman, one of those
Speaker 1: really fun tropes. She joins the gang after that, she's
Speaker 1: like part of the Little Scooby Crew and we see
Speaker 1: her do some pretty bad ass things, but she's pretty
Speaker 1: she's pretty raged. The end kind of redeems her a
Speaker 1: little bit because she gets to actually do stuff. For example,
Speaker 1: after they've rescued her, the stormtroopers are shooting at them
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, you didn't have a get out?
Speaker 1: What the And then so she like takes putters into
Speaker 1: her own hands and she's like, oh, this is some rescue.
Speaker 1: She grabs Luke's blaster fire, she shoots a hole in
Speaker 1: the wall. Somebody has to save our skins. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make a door come down, and she just blasted. She
Speaker 1: dives in. She goes into the garbage shoot boy. She
Speaker 1: says to han Clo, which is great, and then everyone
Speaker 1: dives in and then they end up in a thing
Speaker 1: with the trash. And then when they're in there, the
Speaker 1: walls whenever women take charts, they mucket all as we
Speaker 1: are conditioned to believe via mainstream American cinema. And there's
Speaker 1: a line of dialogue about that, but I'll get to
Speaker 1: that in a second. So then they all land in
Speaker 1: the trash compactor and then the walls start closing in
Speaker 1: on them, and Lucas just like, dude, the walls are
Speaker 1: moving and she's like, don't just stand there, bracelet with something.
Speaker 1: So she was like taking initiative. She's like because she's
Speaker 1: been through stuff though, I mean, that would make sense.
Speaker 1: Like Luke doesn't know anything. He's just coming from Tatoy.
Speaker 1: He's like fresh off the boats. Like he just he
Speaker 1: just trying to get it popping, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: She like, she's been through some stuff. She's hiding secrets,
Speaker 1: she's stolen stuff. She she goes up a little bit.
Speaker 1: She does, she does for sure. Then there's a line
Speaker 1: of dialogue that I never picked up on until this
Speaker 1: most recent viewing this rewatch, where after they get out
Speaker 1: of the trash compactor, Han says, well, if we can
Speaker 1: avoid any more female advice, we ought to be able
Speaker 1: to get out of here. Yeah, I was right because
Speaker 1: what I was thinking as I was thinking, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: way to pick that up the only one who did
Speaker 1: anything to like because she was moving irrationally. It didn't
Speaker 1: give Han time to think of a better plan. Han
Speaker 1: had no In fact, Han was either way, but she tried.
Speaker 1: She she made an attempt. Yeah, but that was also
Speaker 1: I think, like, I mean, of course it speaks to
Speaker 1: show it doesn't not that, But I also think it
Speaker 1: was com Hans's character, like he could never be wrong
Speaker 1: or not in charge. Sure, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He would have said anything to anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly if it was Luke's I didn't, well, we could
Speaker 1: afford dumb kid IBox like true. But what bugged me
Speaker 1: about that was not just the line itself, but that
Speaker 1: like Leah wasn't like fuck you dude, she didn't have
Speaker 1: a com back for Her comeback was to deny him
Speaker 1: the pussy, Yeah, which is the ultimate. She was like me,
Speaker 1: hanging at this box, keep talking like talking like that,
Speaker 1: She's gonna go her brother. That's hurtful. You're like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to. You said, it's revenge. She made a
Speaker 1: work harder for it. There's a couple of scenes later
Speaker 1: they're trying to get across the bridge. They're still in
Speaker 1: the Death Star. Luke is like doing crap. He's I
Speaker 1: don't who knows what he's doing. The Stormtroopers are like
Speaker 1: trying to get through the door on the other side.
Speaker 1: She takes the gun and starts like shooting people, and
Speaker 1: she's a better shot than Han or Luke because everybody
Speaker 1: misses everybody every time they shoot it somewhere like these
Speaker 1: people have the worst aim. I was confused about that
Speaker 1: because when I was like, does it not hurt if
Speaker 1: you get hit by one of those? But I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're just missing everybody. No one can It was like
Speaker 1: sucking paintballers. Which is hilarious because earlier in the movie,
Speaker 1: Obi Wan's like, only Imperial Troopers are this precise because
Speaker 1: they're talking about like the little they're not ewoks, they're
Speaker 1: like the little dudes. At the beginning anyway, you're talking
Speaker 1: about the precision of the fire blast, and he's like,
Speaker 1: the only Stormtroopers are this precise. It's like, no, no
Speaker 1: one hits anybody ever. Yeah, it's dumb. Anyway, I'm just
Speaker 1: the point. I'm trying to arrive at is that like
Speaker 1: on a number of occasions, like Lea takes matters into
Speaker 1: her own hands and it's like, oh, you're not getting
Speaker 1: this done fast enough or well enough, then I'm going
Speaker 1: to do ship. So I do like that, right, And
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me that she sucks up the plants
Speaker 1: of yeah, because it's like, I don't know, I always
Speaker 1: feel weird when it's I feel like that's almost like
Speaker 1: a trope in movies where it's like the one woman
Speaker 1: in the scene is like, move aside, boys, I've got this,
Speaker 1: you know, and then she fucking and she does yeah
Speaker 1: exactly like changes like the fucking monster truck tire but
Speaker 1: a negligent on her perfect and she's like, I know
Speaker 1: what to do, and her nail and makes like a rope. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And at the end, the guys like have their mouths
Speaker 1: up and she's like, you know, that wasn't hard, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, No, it doesn't bother me at all
Speaker 1: that she like she like put them into more of
Speaker 1: a because that's what storytelling is, Like, Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: felt it, Yeah, to get it right, Characters getting into
Speaker 1: hi jinks, encountering obstacles, trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: overcome those obstacles. So yeah, like a character is going
Speaker 1: to make a mistake and that's what storytelling is. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Leiah takes initiative, she like takes action. She makes decisions
Speaker 1: that influence the direction the story takes. So that's what
Speaker 1: I like about her. And she's pretty good at hurling
Speaker 1: insults too. She's like, get this walking carpet out of
Speaker 1: my way. So she's a little firecracker she is. What
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is that I like Princess Leiah.
Speaker 1: I think she's a pretty good character. The problem is
Speaker 1: all of her relationships are like there, no, she has
Speaker 1: no female relationships. She's the literally the only woman in
Speaker 1: space and all the time because any scenes where there's
Speaker 1: like a bunch of extras, if there's like pilots or rebels,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some ladies stormtroopers we don't know, and all
Speaker 1: on a cloud planet you say specifically for this movie,
Speaker 1: but we're talking talking about um yeah, um. And there
Speaker 1: was there was a question, Oh it's Chewy is he
Speaker 1: maybe he's a she? Wrong? That's wrong? And also what
Speaker 1: a fucking stretched is a second female? And also Chewy
Speaker 1: couldn't pass the back Tilton, Well, I guess maybe. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't really, Well, we don't know what he talks
Speaker 1: about because we're talking about him. Man, he could be
Speaker 1: talking about ice fishing. We don't know. We don't know,
Speaker 1: we don't, but we do know that he is in
Speaker 1: fact a male because if you recall the Star Wars
Speaker 1: Christmas special that came out. I don't remember what ear
Speaker 1: early eighties or late seven it's oh, it's so it's
Speaker 1: about Chewie's family. He has a wife and three kids.
Speaker 1: I think, And I don't remember what the story is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I like all this so hilariously bad. I mean
Speaker 1: you should watch it. Just it's like, like is it
Speaker 1: like like he's just like chilling with his family. I
Speaker 1: think he's trying to get back home to his family.
Speaker 1: They all speak that language, and that's just a long
Speaker 1: show that no one he's like TOI and his wife
Speaker 1: getting into this stuff. Luke is definitely in it. And
Speaker 1: I want to say, like Mark Mark camill As, when
Speaker 1: did this come out? Now? I'm excited, Yeah, I am
Speaker 1: dB A can't it's so and I want to say
Speaker 1: that I can't remember Harrison Ford as Han is in
Speaker 1: it or not. It's a show. It was like a
Speaker 1: made for TV movie. It's on YouTube, so oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that is how I watched it. Okay, so it came
Speaker 1: out right after because episode four was released in nine,
Speaker 1: so that I love a weird hackey tie in my face.
Speaker 1: Bottom line is Chewy as a man because he fucked
Speaker 1: his wife and had three babies. It might not be
Speaker 1: and maybe not. He's away a lot with n she's
Speaker 1: sucking some other strange wookie. Um. There's there's also a question,
Speaker 1: Oh well, maybe the droids or women also know because
Speaker 1: at least C three posts pretty clearly he's a feminist,
Speaker 1: but he's and then he talks about and two are
Speaker 1: too using like he him his pronouns. So one just
Speaker 1: I am seeing that they just like reaper dudes like worms.
Speaker 1: There's just like another guy that pops out of a guy,
Speaker 1: because there's no other way. If it's just Luke's and Leah,
Speaker 1: they can't fucking populate a galaxy. Right, Yeah, it's pretty
Speaker 1: and like sure it's a movie about it's Star Wars.
Speaker 1: There at war and it was a long time ago,
Speaker 1: so back you know, in World War two, even back
Speaker 1: when they're only men in the world, or at least
Speaker 1: like men's soldiers. I don't know when women started being
Speaker 1: soldiers in in the military, but maybe it's just since
Speaker 1: they're all A lot of them are like militant, but
Speaker 1: there's also a rebellion like a woman, like anyone can
Speaker 1: join a rebellion. It is supposed to know a long
Speaker 1: time ago in a galaxy far it's the past, way
Speaker 1: in the past, this fictional story that did never exist.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were having like their own industrial revolution, you know,
Speaker 1: was like always got it was the future, but like
Speaker 1: a long time ago of like the beginning stories. I
Speaker 1: don't know what. Yeah, because it's the middle stories, I
Speaker 1: thought it was a long time ago like two requels. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean those stories take place, but I just never
Speaker 1: I never really, I always assumed it was the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the opening the title car that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: We don't have any of that stuff. We can't flower.
Speaker 1: In fact, it might be long long No, it's a
Speaker 1: long time ago in a galaxy far far away. So
Speaker 1: it's just far away. But I think that's up. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go and say I think that's an up. And
Speaker 1: I can't wrap my hat around this. Well, it's the truth.
Speaker 1: So yeah, back when women didn't exist except for one
Speaker 1: of them. All right, well in that case, sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about Leia is that when she's
Speaker 1: talked about in pop culture or just like any when
Speaker 1: people talk about her, it's almost always in the context
Speaker 1: of her slave La outfit. People like, oh, yeah, slave La,
Speaker 1: she's hot. I'd bang that. We don't talk about her accomplishments,
Speaker 1: the fact that she's a diplomat, a politician, and a prince.
Speaker 1: She led an army and she can fire a gun,
Speaker 1: and she makes choices and sticks with them. We don't
Speaker 1: talk about that, do we know? But it is a
Speaker 1: good costume. She's got like the most insane abs ever,
Speaker 1: Like it's not fair. Oh yeah, I do long to
Speaker 1: have that. Okay, I'm objectifying her, But also, like I
Speaker 1: thought about it, how does she do that? I mean
Speaker 1: I objectify Han Solo on a pretty regular basis. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like that, like young Harrison Ford, Yeah, what is wrong
Speaker 1: with you? What do you mean? I want you to
Speaker 1: get out side more? There? Mark, I couldn't be less
Speaker 1: on board with. Even when Harrison for was in that movie,
Speaker 1: he looked like a dead there, like he wasn't hot dad,
Speaker 1: but he was like a dead though. He wasn't like
Speaker 1: giving you young sexy vibes. He wasn't maybe definitely give
Speaker 1: me like dead maybe not. I don't know. He got
Speaker 1: kind of a later start to acting, so he was
Speaker 1: already like thirty five ish, Yeah, yeah he was. He
Speaker 1: looked dead ish. Yeah, that's dead. Even like when he
Speaker 1: was like liking lay, I was like, you too old
Speaker 1: for her, bro, I will say, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like you all dude out here trying to trying to
Speaker 1: scheme something young. Didn't Carrie Fisher say that she and
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford like hooked up. Wasn't not like a reason?
Speaker 1: Yeah that story? She was like a teenager? Was she sure?
Speaker 1: That's fucked um? In Hollywood? You could do that that
Speaker 1: pain and pain into a long She was nineteen, he's
Speaker 1: just four and this movie came out in seventies. She
Speaker 1: was like, one, right, that's true for dad pain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not for everyone. She's a consenting adult that anyway,
Speaker 1: we statement retracted. That's the thing. There's so because she's
Speaker 1: the only like notable female character, and I think there's
Speaker 1: no female relationships for her to have. All the notable
Speaker 1: relationships are between men or a man and her. So
Speaker 1: it's nice of you to car Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: care so much because you've got like Luke and Obi Wan.
Speaker 1: It's like the mentor mentee relationship. You've got Luke and Han,
Speaker 1: which is like a budding friendship thing. You've got Han
Speaker 1: and Chewi, which is like sidekick that that relationship is
Speaker 1: more compelling than any relationship. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Hans Solo and his fucking huge dog have a more
Speaker 1: interesting storyline. Yeah, it's upsetting. And then her relationships are
Speaker 1: basically she has one with Luke, which is that he
Speaker 1: wants to suck her, and she has one with Han,
Speaker 1: which is that he wants to suck her and also
Speaker 1: this movie. But yeah, but he also wants to her.
Speaker 1: But how that's the question he has that tail. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's plenty of like fan porn that would explain Polis,
Speaker 1: but I'm not in the mood for that rabbit hole. No,
Speaker 1: you might have like a whale dick, like it comes
Speaker 1: out like over and just slimy dick underneath all that.
Speaker 1: I think who knows that you have you ever seen blackfish? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They jerked a whale off that was so necessarily Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't forget. Apparently we didn't need to see that, no,
Speaker 1: and it didn't add to this story. Yea, what is
Speaker 1: this yo? They're like, all right, let's get the stomach
Speaker 1: turn and just think. Yeah, I haven't seen that movie
Speaker 1: in a couple of years me either. Although apparently in nature,
Speaker 1: when whales have sex there has to be a third
Speaker 1: whale there to like prop up one of them while
Speaker 1: like kinky, Yeah, there's a this is true. This is
Speaker 1: you're just like, no, this is information that I gleaned
Speaker 1: from a joke of a link on Mitra, a very
Speaker 1: funny comic we all know. Check him out. He had
Speaker 1: a joke about whales having sex and how there has
Speaker 1: to be a third to like prop up the other
Speaker 1: ones as they're sucking each other because there's no you're
Speaker 1: you're suspended in water. There's like nothing, there's no like
Speaker 1: headboard to brace yourself again. But they have dicks though,
Speaker 1: that's true, that's so much. Sex is important in everything.
Speaker 1: As we mentioned earlier, sometimes I do have it every
Speaker 1: once in a while. So I think we can draw
Speaker 1: and then draw the conclusion that the movie does not
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test, not even not even close. A
Speaker 1: few movies do it, and they like do the very
Speaker 1: bare minimum of them. This one doesn't even try, does
Speaker 1: not try at all. So funk this movie not I
Speaker 1: mean I really like it. It's I've seen it, you know,
Speaker 1: a dozen times or more, but only on this viewing
Speaker 1: was I like, oh, wow, there's only one lady who
Speaker 1: matters in this story. And I like, so, what do
Speaker 1: you think? It's like a thing where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so that was just the time, you know, and like
Speaker 1: how now you have like the female Ghostbusters movie, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like do you think and like
Speaker 1: how they're trying to make a woman a lead in
Speaker 1: these new Star Wars, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like the time sucked because I feel like at the time,
Speaker 1: probably no one had a second thought about that, Like
Speaker 1: that was just for sure. Yeah, the Patriarch they I
Speaker 1: thought it was progressive because I was shooting in the
Speaker 1: movie and she was doing were like, we are breaking
Speaker 1: down bars the pitch meeting. We're going to have a movie.
Speaker 1: But guess what we're gonna put a woman in. It
Speaker 1: is very incest forward story, right boundaries being Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was he was doing it all. Yeah, there's some Freudian
Speaker 1: ship in there, because it's like like in episode seven,
Speaker 1: Ray is the lead, the Protagon will call her short
Speaker 1: for protagonists, an industry term. What movie still very barely
Speaker 1: passes the Bechtel test. Really, I haven't seen that she
Speaker 1: has a very quick conversation with general requirements of this.
Speaker 1: So the Bechtel test is that there has to be
Speaker 1: two female characters in the movie that ideally both have names,
Speaker 1: that talk about something other than a man in a conversation,
Speaker 1: and that's all. That's all it is. Like, so even
Speaker 1: if there's like something where two women talk about the
Speaker 1: weather for two seconds, like, it technically passes. So it's
Speaker 1: not hard to it's not hard. But most movies don't
Speaker 1: pass it because in most cases, if there are even
Speaker 1: two female characters who speak to each other, it's usually
Speaker 1: about a male character or a man in the middle
Speaker 1: or something. They're talking about a man devil wis product
Speaker 1: the passes probably like mad they would talk about types
Speaker 1: of right away. I love Man. It was such a
Speaker 1: good movie so much. Only now I'm just seas I
Speaker 1: think a movie like movies, it's not I mean, there's
Speaker 1: what they talk they let the let he just talk
Speaker 1: um not many sister yeah, yeah, sisterhood yeah probably. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen The Fried Green Tomatoes you ever. I've seen it,
Speaker 1: don't remember well enough to know if it passed through
Speaker 1: the flesh, which is funny at the end. Oh almost
Speaker 1: a joint with Adam Sandler in the Spanish Lady Spanglish
Speaker 1: good one it passes. Yes, really, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I mean I could see her and our daughter. They
Speaker 1: talk about just everything. They're able to list five movies.
Speaker 1: There's a great uh, there's a great episode of Jane
Speaker 1: the Virgin. I love Jane the Virgin is bad, but
Speaker 1: it's a good show. But it's bad that I've seen
Speaker 1: it so many times. But they have like a whole
Speaker 1: storyline where the show is like actively trying to pass
Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test all the time, and it almost never does.
Speaker 1: But it becomes just a running joke that they're like,
Speaker 1: it's three main female characters and they never ever passed
Speaker 1: the test. They love those boys. I'm just shying thing
Speaker 1: mad women. At some point. There's at least six ladies
Speaker 1: in one of my favorite movies. Leah, Oh well, they
Speaker 1: never talked to each other. Oh shit, okay, because one
Speaker 1: of them is like living in the nineteen fifties or something,
Speaker 1: and the other one is a contemporary. I assumed all
Speaker 1: Meryl Street movies with past, but maybe not Sophie's choice.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't remember that movie very well either. Um.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite movies is Selman Louise, and that
Speaker 1: passes absolutely. I'm trying to think of Florence Foster Jenkins passes.
Speaker 1: I don't I've seen it, seen it twice. I think
Speaker 1: I'm the only person who's ever seen Florence Foster Jenkins
Speaker 1: at all. Oh is that the one that came out
Speaker 1: pretty recently where she's like an opera singer but she's
Speaker 1: back with the dude from the Big Bang Theories in it,
Speaker 1: he plays the piano. I don't think it passes anyways.
Speaker 1: It's a good movie. I like it cool. What is
Speaker 1: it called floor? Florence Foster Jenkins? Check that out? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: a new Hope falls back because it was no other lady. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: dang new Hope. Yeah, because some movies come close, it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: at least two women talk to each other, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't even happen here. She's just poor Leo got no
Speaker 1: other ladies, you know, because sometimes you got to talk
Speaker 1: about your periods. Do you do and just stuff space
Speaker 1: ladies have periods, yes, call Lucas Ranch you know. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think that Princess Leia is extraordinarily brave for wearing
Speaker 1: that white cloak all through the movie because she's bleeding
Speaker 1: at some point leakage balls. There might be some like
Speaker 1: ultra space, but it might be like so that's what
Speaker 1: I have to say. It might just not even because
Speaker 1: you see how it was given birth with the robots
Speaker 1: and it just wave on the stomach when she had
Speaker 1: Lea Luke three. Yeah, so yeah, she's still delivering the
Speaker 1: babies out of her uterus. But they might have some
Speaker 1: weird way to catch out a period blood like a
Speaker 1: period to like a probably do something weird when they're
Speaker 1: I don't want to actually can largely Nope, it's happened
Speaker 1: astronauts large period suppression, which is like just taking hormonal
Speaker 1: birth control so that they don't have their periods anymore.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like if you're just floating around
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh no, why do that? Just
Speaker 1: liary with well, they got to be able to oh yeah,
Speaker 1: how did they is that into like they were diapers
Speaker 1: and they pee into they pee into these like diaper
Speaker 1: things and there's some why do you read all? This
Speaker 1: was in Young Astronauts? Thank you very much? Did you
Speaker 1: get to spare door kid? What you are? Such? Every time?
Speaker 1: Every time I learned something news, I was deeper. I
Speaker 1: was in Young Astronauts, I was in Girl Scouts. I
Speaker 1: was in mock Trial. I was in mock Tracks Club.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what you do? Were you a lawyer? Yes? Nice?
Speaker 1: I was an expert witness. I was a psyche lame
Speaker 1: why why do you even the nerd thing? Like it
Speaker 1: was an expert with anyway, I was cool. I also
Speaker 1: played soccer. I was like a cool last job. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I would push you all the time. And
Speaker 1: we were in the same school we were kids. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I absolutely would have been my bully. I
Speaker 1: was like I bullied a lot of people, but I
Speaker 1: was like a loving bully. So like all my all
Speaker 1: my bullies like have love for me because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're a loser. And then I'd like here's a here's
Speaker 1: a cool head, just cool trying to fix it. Like Montage.
Speaker 1: I was always like at least some stowe and clueless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were always like my ties. Oh okay, that's a
Speaker 1: good comparison. I ran into someone from high school the
Speaker 1: other day. It was bad. She was kind of she
Speaker 1: kind of still bullied me, like two nights ago, and
Speaker 1: she's getting twisted that knife. One time I was doing
Speaker 1: this show and like the one my one saving grades
Speaker 1: in high school was that I was on the dance team.
Speaker 1: Everything else unforcable dance team, okay, and uh, I would
Speaker 1: like I was the co captain with her classic two
Speaker 1: thousand tent very exciting, and then uh, she showed up
Speaker 1: at the show I did in San Francisco the other
Speaker 1: night with her like fiance, and they hated this show,
Speaker 1: like they absolutely hated it. And afterwards they're like, do
Speaker 1: you want to get top us? Which no, but I went.
Speaker 1: And then when we were there, her fiance was like,
Speaker 1: so were you guys like best friends in high school?
Speaker 1: And she was like not really, like we worked together
Speaker 1: at times, but like Jamie was doing her own thing,
Speaker 1: which is just code for you fucking sucked. It was like, man, still, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not wrong, but also why bring it up
Speaker 1: all this time like that? Why did Yeah? Why did
Speaker 1: you show up if you just wanted to tell me
Speaker 1: I suck. Appreciate the effort though, you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: thanks for supporting live comedy, you know. Yeah cool. So Yeah.
Speaker 1: In conclusion, this movie, uh, we rate it on a
Speaker 1: scale of one to zero to five nipples, and five
Speaker 1: nipples being does a really good job in terms of
Speaker 1: treating its female characters. I'll go first. I love this franchise.
Speaker 1: I love Star Wars because there's only one female character
Speaker 1: so in the context, so for this rating purpose, I
Speaker 1: will give it to start two nipples and one of
Speaker 1: them and they both belong to Princess Leiah, and they
Speaker 1: are perfect because I like her. This guy weird and
Speaker 1: creepy are perfect. I give it one horny for your
Speaker 1: brother nipple good. Ye would you like to write the
Speaker 1: movie sing? Yeah, I'm thanking how many? Because she was like,
Speaker 1: she was shooting, she was doing stuff, So I can't
Speaker 1: say zero. I'm gonna give it one a half nipples. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're pretty pretty ballpark for all of us. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to say too. I think
Speaker 1: that's too much. I gave it. I was too generous.
Speaker 1: Wants to because because you're horny for Leia, I'm giving
Speaker 1: the half like the time that it came out. That's
Speaker 1: what the happ is really like they did. They pushed
Speaker 1: the boundaries for the time they did. Can I say
Speaker 1: that I want to be like the third whale if
Speaker 1: like uh Leiah and Han we're fucking I want to
Speaker 1: be like the other one to prop them up. I
Speaker 1: want to be that set up. No, I just I
Speaker 1: just thought it was I want so much more for you,
Speaker 1: So do I don't? Yeah, like you bet it in
Speaker 1: a third hashtag third way? You know what I do?
Speaker 1: Deserve better? Am I getting better? No? I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: You're not a third Well, you're winning the primary. Wells
Speaker 1: you're definitely a primary. Well, let's hope so Well that
Speaker 1: concludes this episode. You can follow us at Bechtel Cast
Speaker 1: on Twitter, like can subscribe to us on iTunes. We're
Speaker 1: working on other platforms as well. Well. We'll see. It's
Speaker 1: a slow process. Um, we just don't know. You can,
Speaker 1: we don't know. You can email us if you want
Speaker 1: at the Bechtel Cast at gmail dot com. Sam is
Speaker 1: there anything you want to plug? Where can people find you? Online?
Speaker 1: At Sam s A M J. A y comic Twitter
Speaker 1: in Instagram. Nice anything you wanna put out into the world, Jamie.
Speaker 1: You can find me at Hamburger Phone. I know. I
Speaker 1: just hope my my hamster survives the week. That's right.
Speaker 1: Good luck to your hamster. What's his name, her name?
Speaker 1: I don't have a name for it because that gives
Speaker 1: it a level of permanence that I'm not ready to commit.
Speaker 1: You right, and you also called it an it, so
Speaker 1: it's genderless as far as I'm concerned. She fucking hates me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we'll best to luck to you in your hamster.
Speaker 1: You can follow me at Caitlin Darante on Twitter her
Speaker 1: and I think that's it. Thanks for being here, Sam,
Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun. Take care everyone, Bye,