Speaker 1: So I didn't know this that you guys have never
Speaker 1: done an interview about the famed two thousand thirteen NFC
Speaker 1: Championship post game. Calm Down with Aaron and Chrissa is
Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio, Ladies and gentlemen. This
Speaker 1: is a long time coming in in Shurt Sherman reunited
Speaker 1: and it feels so good. Two of my favorite people,
Speaker 1: Aaron and Sherman. A group hug right now. I love it.
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, five times pro bowler, super Bowl champion and
Speaker 1: Stanford grad. That's not my resume, folks, only my resume
Speaker 1: of one Richard Sherman. I'm so happy that you're here
Speaker 1: with us. Thank you for coming on Calm Down. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys. Happy me. It's always a pleasure to
Speaker 1: get to speak to you. Two lovely ladies. Our guy.
Speaker 1: He's been our guy for how long? Chris, I mean
Speaker 1: I got to meet him. What year did we officially
Speaker 1: fall in love? Sherman? What year was that? Probably thirteen,
Speaker 1: probably was the sure And that was the day when
Speaker 1: I met him in the cafeteria and with all the
Speaker 1: boys and Jarrett, my husband is blown away by this.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks let us used to come in their cafeteria
Speaker 1: when the boys were sitting down. I would get in
Speaker 1: the smoothie line ask them what they wanted. But that's
Speaker 1: when I decided I wanted to if I ever came
Speaker 1: back as a football player, I would want to be sure.
Speaker 1: Like that's the day I was like, if I like
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation, I'd want to be sure I appreciate that. Okay,
Speaker 1: so wait, this is a long time coming. So I
Speaker 1: didn't know this that you guys have never done an
Speaker 1: interview about the famed two thousand thirteen NFC Championship postgame interviews.
Speaker 1: So here's the team. We should have done as commercial too.
Speaker 1: We should have done a lot of commercials, but Commerci
Speaker 1: and Slow Beats was the only one on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you and I we should have had a Snickers.
Speaker 1: We should have had like Obama made a joke about it,
Speaker 1: like we there was there was a famous Halloween in
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. There was a famous kids Halloween costume.
Speaker 1: Like he and I, all of you advertisers, you missed out.
Speaker 1: And even when he went to San Francisco, I went
Speaker 1: to Mars and I had an whole idea for a
Speaker 1: Nickers deal. Like I'd give him the candy bar and
Speaker 1: then he'd be in a like a forty nine ers uniform.
Speaker 1: People don't listen, It's fine, So this is sure. You
Speaker 1: know how much we love Aaron's always that business brain
Speaker 1: of her. She's always thinking. So I love that. So
Speaker 1: I want to get into that interview and just set
Speaker 1: the stage and then we can go on right there
Speaker 1: the other things. Oh, we are going to go right
Speaker 1: there because to me as the remember I'm the Seattle
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the twelfth man here. I am the
Speaker 1: fan of like and Aaron and you and I were
Speaker 1: we were friends, but not the friends that we are now.
Speaker 1: So like, I'm sitting there watching that game in real time.
Speaker 1: I at the time was also a sideline reporter, so
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from your vantage point, but then
Speaker 1: also from a Seattle fan and watching Sherm's emotion. So
Speaker 1: set the stage, shure M. You go first? Is the
Speaker 1: PR guy bringing you over to Aaron, like how did
Speaker 1: this thing all go down? And and you that I
Speaker 1: may remember it differently than you because you actually were
Speaker 1: like adrenaline three million, good jillion. Can we fuck that?
Speaker 1: Can we go rewind a little bit more? Can you
Speaker 1: take me? And even as lame as that, my question
Speaker 1: was that day, just what was that final play? Sure?
Speaker 1: Can you just take us through that? Well, it all
Speaker 1: happens fast when it's two minutes, So they were in
Speaker 1: two minute, and I promise you throughout the whole because
Speaker 1: I hadn't got a target the whole game. I know
Speaker 1: it then throwing it over there the entire game, and
Speaker 1: I think the only reason I got a chance was
Speaker 1: because it was two minute and they couldn't draw up
Speaker 1: a plane to avoid me. You know, it was just
Speaker 1: whatever Colin's choice was at time, and they have been
Speaker 1: driving down the field. We had him stopped, we had game,
Speaker 1: and they hit Frank on like a third and long
Speaker 1: and he got the first down. Then they hit Burning,
Speaker 1: then they hit Crab on the other top. So they
Speaker 1: were like marching down the field and I'm like, don't
Speaker 1: remember this. I just remember you. I don't remember this.
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. I was freaking out because I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: we're about to lose this game and they not even
Speaker 1: give me a shot at the ball, and not shot
Speaker 1: to get involved at all the whole game. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go the whole game without get involved, and then they
Speaker 1: hurried up to the line and Crab had like like,
Speaker 1: you know, way too fidgety at the line in screment.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, there's no way like you you get
Speaker 1: in the ball right now, like you move it too
Speaker 1: excitable at corner when you're that intimate with somebody, ever,
Speaker 1: you got damn play. You can tell you know, it's
Speaker 1: like seeing the same person every day and looking at
Speaker 1: him in their eyes. And then they got they got
Speaker 1: all over to you know really what happens like you
Speaker 1: can tell no question as receivers when they're having a
Speaker 1: good day and they see the corner and they see
Speaker 1: him like with fear in his eyes or you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like fidgety, they're gonna be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm about to feast. It's about a few workings. It's
Speaker 1: gonna work out here. What's the down in distance and
Speaker 1: how much time is laughed? It was first intent because
Speaker 1: they had just got a first down I think, to
Speaker 1: burn it, and so they were excitable. There was no
Speaker 1: pressure on him. He had time. I think there might
Speaker 1: have been like maybe thirty seconds to go, but they
Speaker 1: had time outs like and they were like right on
Speaker 1: in the red zone. Right outside the red zone and
Speaker 1: Crab gives me this stutter outside release. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're outside. We're either going nine ball or you're gonna
Speaker 1: stop route. But I'm not stopping on a stop route
Speaker 1: because i don't care about that. You you you need to
Speaker 1: touchdown to win, like if you're on a hitch. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll come tackle you and then we'll get the next place.
Speaker 1: They gotta go to the end zone. He runs the stutter.
Speaker 1: I look at him, read it. He turns around. I mean,
Speaker 1: we we go. I turned around, look for the ball
Speaker 1: and Colin puts it up and I'm like, for the game,
Speaker 1: finally about the end this and what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: What are you thinking? I'm thinking catching, I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: to pick this. This is about to be a layup.
Speaker 1: And so I go up and then I fill his
Speaker 1: hand in my back and I'm like, there's no way
Speaker 1: it's about to happen like this, And so as I'm
Speaker 1: getting pushed, I'm like, I can't catch it anymore because
Speaker 1: I'm too far forward, and so I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: got left and I got full hand on the balls,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna keep it in. I'mna keep it in,
Speaker 1: I know, Earl or somebody's gonna be here, and of
Speaker 1: course it was Malcolm and not Earl, but god, we
Speaker 1: had done that. Me and Earl had done it earlier
Speaker 1: in the season against the Giants in New York, which
Speaker 1: is crazy, you know, I mean ironically, but I got
Speaker 1: two interceptions in the game, but I had tipped one
Speaker 1: in and Earl came and caught the tip and on
Speaker 1: same ends, on same corner and everything and picked it.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was gonna be another situation like that,
Speaker 1: but it was Malcolm this time. And then what what
Speaker 1: I know what happened next to take us through what
Speaker 1: you remember, well, it was Chaos grabbed me and ship
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, no, no, I
Speaker 1: gotta go see this man. I'm about to go look
Speaker 1: him in his eye. And yeah, well I dragged over
Speaker 1: there and slapped him on the bus. That's right, you
Speaker 1: know what it was once And so the precursor to
Speaker 1: this was that you guys were talking all week, right,
Speaker 1: was that what this was about? Because this was this
Speaker 1: was in the summer CT just go way back. We
Speaker 1: had a production meeting that Friday with the Seahawks and
Speaker 1: Joe and Troy had not met Scherm yet, and I
Speaker 1: had already done a couple of games. I was on
Speaker 1: Kevin Burkhardt John Lynch's crew at the time, and we
Speaker 1: had done a ton of Seahawks games and that's how
Speaker 1: we got to know Scherm. And so then I got
Speaker 1: moved to the big Boy team for the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys are gonna die. This guy's awesome.
Speaker 1: He's my fucking favorite. Like you're gonna love it. And
Speaker 1: you can tell right away when you sit with Sherm
Speaker 1: or you know, even in a production meeting outside of
Speaker 1: a production meeting, the guy smart and Troy loves that.
Speaker 1: He just wants to test you, not test you, but like,
Speaker 1: let me see it how you see it. And I
Speaker 1: remember they just started asking you about Crabtree and you
Speaker 1: were so honest, and it was one of those I mean,
Speaker 1: I had my laptop, we're all taken notes, and it
Speaker 1: was one of those where you don't hear what you do,
Speaker 1: but when you do, you're like, not often are people
Speaker 1: that honest. He was just honest and as stop, it's great.
Speaker 1: Takes one to know one, and that's also why you're
Speaker 1: the best teammate though now on Thursday Night football, of course,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into all that in a minute. But
Speaker 1: that's what you want. You want that as a reporter,
Speaker 1: you want that as an interview, you want that as
Speaker 1: a teammate because you know what you're going to get
Speaker 1: in that situation. Okay, So all that's going down, and Aaron,
Speaker 1: what's happening in your world at this moment. Well, up
Speaker 1: until that play, we were kind of trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember Sherm, who had a good game. Offensively,
Speaker 1: It's like, do we get a game first? Had caught
Speaker 1: the game like leading touchdown, but it would have been
Speaker 1: hard because they had some guys that were having a
Speaker 1: good game too. Defensively, they had a good game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were feeling good. I was just trying to remember
Speaker 1: the questions and I was like all right, all right,
Speaker 1: But then obviously, like you know, Sharm's play happened, and
Speaker 1: it was like I'm just I'm going like we're live,
Speaker 1: We're going, they're gonna take it. And as he said,
Speaker 1: I just remember craziness what I remember, And I've seen
Speaker 1: it on films, which is cool. You do the deportes, yes,
Speaker 1: And I just stood there what I did was I stood,
Speaker 1: and I was so thankful. I have goose bumps right
Speaker 1: now because you know, I love you so much. But
Speaker 1: I was so grateful that we had that relationship because
Speaker 1: I found you. I just went right to you. I
Speaker 1: didn't even look to see if PR was there. I
Speaker 1: saw you do de portes and in my mind we
Speaker 1: weren't live yet. And once Joe through to me, no
Speaker 1: offense to that guy, I was gonna show him his
Speaker 1: ass and push him and be like, all right, we're live,
Speaker 1: because like, no offense, we're ready. And um, I actually
Speaker 1: think I held onto your back to keep hold of you,
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm here, I'm here. I did that
Speaker 1: to Matthew after the NFC Championship last year. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay with you and follow you when
Speaker 1: it's live. I'm going to make you do this. So
Speaker 1: that's what I remember, right, And so yeah, I did
Speaker 1: the portest and so we hadn't had a relationship to
Speaker 1: he and I you know what I mean, he just
Speaker 1: we go way back and so um, and so he
Speaker 1: had just came up first, and so you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody, yeah, nobody said anything. And so he's
Speaker 1: trying to translate and do his thing, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to give an interview. I'm like, you know, and then
Speaker 1: you come up and I'm like, yeah, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Not give you so hard? I hit my chick. Yes,
Speaker 1: I nailed my chin and I went, oh my god,
Speaker 1: because I'm so excited for you, and I had known
Speaker 1: all the smack talk that had happened, and you made
Speaker 1: the play and I was like, yes, oh man, you
Speaker 1: would have been a concussion protocol. Got this girl. I
Speaker 1: can handle it. Talk about it. Yeah, you know me.
Speaker 1: Come on now, So that question, Aaron, I've heard you
Speaker 1: say that you wish you could redo the interview. Why
Speaker 1: are you Why are you so critical of that? Because
Speaker 1: it's such a great, just like raw moment from both
Speaker 1: of you guys, because of many things. A I love
Speaker 1: this man a lot, and I I don't. I knew
Speaker 1: what happened after and why I got vocal after because
Speaker 1: I didn't want anyone to think he was scaring me.
Speaker 1: He wasn't fucking scaring me. I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll break it down. My first question sucked, as Richard
Speaker 1: the final play, I'm not mad at that. Take me
Speaker 1: through it. I should have been like, what happened, just saying,
Speaker 1: like a fan, what happened? Not take me through it.
Speaker 1: That's not even a fucking question, like you should have said,
Speaker 1: that's a stupid question, a what happened? Like what happened?
Speaker 1: And then you go and look my face and I've
Speaker 1: said it the whole time. Wasn't like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's scaring me, I'm freaked out this
Speaker 1: athlete is yelling at me. No, it was this is
Speaker 1: sucking awesome. So this has never happened. People are going
Speaker 1: to lose their minds that this is happening and I
Speaker 1: have to let him just go. But I was thinking
Speaker 1: at that time, has he said crab Tree? Because I
Speaker 1: know it's crab Tree. Joe and Troy know it's crab Tree.
Speaker 1: But I don't want people to think he's screaming about me.
Speaker 1: Don't you ever talk about me again? He I know
Speaker 1: he's not saying that. But what I should have done
Speaker 1: is not turned into the excited sports fan that I
Speaker 1: was and been like, who was talking about? You know?
Speaker 1: It's just like we're you talking about like just sucking
Speaker 1: be like daddy. It's like when I met Jason sadikis like,
Speaker 1: get your ship together, a girl. That's my own problem. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's not yours. And look that's my problem because I
Speaker 1: was talking like we were just talking conversation from earlier.
Speaker 1: I'm like, remember, like, what's up? You know what it is?
Speaker 1: And um, I was too haype at the moment, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean all the stuff with hardball, with crab. You know,
Speaker 1: it was just that it was a smorgish board of
Speaker 1: winds for me that day. And I was, you know,
Speaker 1: and obviously I was comfortable with you, as we always are, um,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, I was gonna give you
Speaker 1: this straight up. It was so good, and I know
Speaker 1: Aaron's gonna be pretol of that whatever. And you know
Speaker 1: what's crazy, you guys ten years ago, two thousand thirteen
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game, Like damn okay, So now Scherm being
Speaker 1: on the other side of course, you you know, it
Speaker 1: went on and played in San Francisco. We've got the
Speaker 1: Shehrm Bowl this week on Thursday night football between the
Speaker 1: Niners and the Seahawks in Seattle, which I'm so excited for.
Speaker 1: That incredible game that Aaron just worked yesterday. Rock Parties
Speaker 1: performance so I would love put your analyst hat on,
Speaker 1: which is the same hat as friend, as businessman, it's
Speaker 1: all the same. What did you see yesterday from that
Speaker 1: young man and this team that continues to overcome the
Speaker 1: injuries and pick up and then of course you've got Debot,
Speaker 1: So kind of give me your analysts view of what
Speaker 1: happened yesterday. Well, he's fearless and and you would think
Speaker 1: he's done it before. You know, you wouldn't think he
Speaker 1: was a rookie. You think you at least was a
Speaker 1: veteran a low draft. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He didn't walk to that game against Tom Brady as
Speaker 1: a fan. He walked in that game like I'm about
Speaker 1: to slice and dice this defense. That's a top ten
Speaker 1: defense in the National Football League. So this isn't like
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins are aggressive. We talked about the zero
Speaker 1: blitz scheme, like, you know, sloppy that can get But
Speaker 1: this is Tod Bowls coach defense, their top ten They
Speaker 1: know how to play and he gives you some of
Speaker 1: the most exotic liks you'll get. And he was just shripped.
Speaker 1: We lost pta vea after the first series. So what happened?
Speaker 1: Why Why was he shredding in the way they were? Todd,
Speaker 1: who I love, said, penalties were shooting ourselves in the foot?
Speaker 1: Why what else? There's so many weapons on that San
Speaker 1: Francisco team or what I mean, it's definitely too many weapons.
Speaker 1: But he just was creating when there wasn't anything there.
Speaker 1: And that's the big difference between he and Jimmy G.
Speaker 1: Is that the play in the red zone where he
Speaker 1: rented in would have likely probably either been a sack
Speaker 1: or throwaway for Jimmy because they had it covered. It
Speaker 1: was a good zone. They picked up everybody. There was
Speaker 1: nowhere to go with the football. So if you don't
Speaker 1: run it in there, you either throw it into a
Speaker 1: tight window and like the interception, or you throw it away.
Speaker 1: And he said, uh, I'm gonna be athletic enough to
Speaker 1: just run this in. Y'all can't stop us anyway. And
Speaker 1: that gives them a different dynamic than they've had with
Speaker 1: Jimmy G. So Kylie Shanahan was talking about the transition
Speaker 1: from like Trade Lands to Jimmy G to brock Purty
Speaker 1: and he was like, the transition from Jimmy G to
Speaker 1: brock Purty was really small. It was a minimum, the
Speaker 1: playbooks the same we called the same place. We might
Speaker 1: even call it more place. Well, and you brought it up,
Speaker 1: Aaron in your broadcast. This guy's been going up against
Speaker 1: the best defense in the NFL out on the Scout team,
Speaker 1: but he just didn't look like he hesitated. You know
Speaker 1: those moments like you put your people in the situation
Speaker 1: and they're like second guessing themselves, like we don't tell
Speaker 1: you everything happens in a split second. So that's what
Speaker 1: observing and watching it just looked like he didn't hesitate
Speaker 1: on anything. We made a joke to him because Kyle
Speaker 1: said it, Kittle said it. Everybody was talking about his
Speaker 1: balls all week like like that. And so he comes
Speaker 1: on our zoom and and we're like, hey, nice to
Speaker 1: meet your congratulations. Greg's like, I feel like all I've
Speaker 1: been reading about is your balls always. So we He's like, yeah, there,
Speaker 1: hands to my kneecap right now. I try to keep
Speaker 1: him up, you know, and those guys don't be us
Speaker 1: around when you've got Trent Williams. Trent Williams in game,
Speaker 1: tell you how happy he was in the game, comes
Speaker 1: over and hugs me, and it's like, how about this
Speaker 1: guy Fred Warner. I mean they're talking like hyping this
Speaker 1: guy up. They're not doing that if this guy isn't
Speaker 1: that good. They're not doing it to save this season
Speaker 1: now because they can't, you know what I mean. They're
Speaker 1: happy because they know they still have a chance, and
Speaker 1: they have They have as great of a chance now
Speaker 1: as when they started the football season. My god. And
Speaker 1: it makes you comfortable to be out there when guys
Speaker 1: are giving you that kind of support, you know, because
Speaker 1: then you don't feel like you're in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ocean without a paddle. You feel like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: just part of the train, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't have to be the conductor. All these other
Speaker 1: guys have been here, they've done that. They're they're with me,
Speaker 1: they're punching with me. So it's like you're not in
Speaker 1: a fight by yourself. But on the other side of
Speaker 1: the ball is the defensive perspective for you. We saw,
Speaker 1: you know, Mike White goes out and has that crazy performance,
Speaker 1: right because not tape on this guy. So what happens
Speaker 1: from a defensive perspective, And there's only going to be
Speaker 1: a small sample size because we're at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. Here, But are you looking at like, all right,
Speaker 1: this kid a few more games on film, now we
Speaker 1: know his weaknesses here and there, and do you think
Speaker 1: that it will be sort of a sustainable what he's
Speaker 1: been able to do in this short amount of time
Speaker 1: works that works for guys, like if it's a running scheme,
Speaker 1: or if it's a scheme you just haven't like when
Speaker 1: Justin Fields first started to run the ball and you're
Speaker 1: like god, Lee, like like damn, we need to put
Speaker 1: these stunts in and put a spy on him and
Speaker 1: do this and make these adjustments. He's playing quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: not like you and like, he's not. He's not playing
Speaker 1: doing his own read and all that nonsense. He's standing
Speaker 1: in the pocket and delivering the football. So I think
Speaker 1: it's harder to say, oh, this is just a flash
Speaker 1: and the pant and it's gonna sizzle out. He's not
Speaker 1: doing anything. It's not like he's playing bad defenses, and
Speaker 1: it's not like he's like doing anything outrageously crazy. He's
Speaker 1: hitting open me. M hm. This goes to as I
Speaker 1: walked off with Kyle going into the half, which I
Speaker 1: was kind of bummed about is coming out. I thought
Speaker 1: he'd have more info on debot, but I had heard
Speaker 1: rumblings that it wasn't that bad, which good news for them.
Speaker 1: I hope he gets over the high ankle sprain. But
Speaker 1: I just asked, Kyle, you know, what do you think
Speaker 1: of your guy in the first half, And he's like,
Speaker 1: he's playing fucking awesome. He's being And this was the
Speaker 1: time that I wish I could cuss on air. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like when you and I did our things,
Speaker 1: like the guys playing his ass off, It's like, well, Kevin,
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan said he's playing really well. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like, said, he's playing fucking awesome, playing his ass off,
Speaker 1: Like how great would that have been to do that?
Speaker 1: You know, Oh that awesome? I know, hey, sure to
Speaker 1: go back to our thing. I've I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you this because I can tell the story about
Speaker 1: when I started to see a blow up. I did
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick in the morning right away to give my
Speaker 1: side of it, to stick up for you. But I
Speaker 1: was on a plane. It was stray and our boss
Speaker 1: from Fox and I started seeing stuff on Twitter and
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys, you guys, this is getting bad.
Speaker 1: We have to say something. And the president of Fox Sports,
Speaker 1: Eric Shank said, let's help you come up with something
Speaker 1: because we love serm. This is what we love about
Speaker 1: those postgame interviews. We die for something like this. We
Speaker 1: want players to do something like this, be natural and react,
Speaker 1: be natural, not do a rehearse bit. Not you know,
Speaker 1: I can't I game at a time one When did
Speaker 1: you know, because you had a ton of interviews, you
Speaker 1: then had to go into a press conference. When did
Speaker 1: you know, like, all right, this has gone nuts? Well
Speaker 1: after all the press conference. So we're always the last
Speaker 1: ones in the locker room. It's always me ear okay,
Speaker 1: I'm like one of one of us is gonna be last.
Speaker 1: And so I was standing there with Steve Wisch and
Speaker 1: he and he was just asked me like little questions
Speaker 1: about the game, about the subtleties, about this, about Crabtree
Speaker 1: and all that. And he was like, hey, that interview
Speaker 1: you did, it's getting a lot of traction. And I
Speaker 1: was like, what do you mean I mean that I
Speaker 1: didn't think. Yeah, I'm not thinking anything of it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: did I lie? Like, did I curse? I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't think I cursed, thinking like your curse. But that's
Speaker 1: it um seriously though, but it's what we love you
Speaker 1: for so many reasons prior to for me working with you,
Speaker 1: prior to Aaron even you know, having that moment authenticity
Speaker 1: is a big thing, and it's something that we all
Speaker 1: personally know that we love about each other, but people
Speaker 1: in this business and just in general, just in humanity.
Speaker 1: For you, was it difficult to after you knew that
Speaker 1: you were going to be done playing? When was that
Speaker 1: decision made? So we know that you went, you know,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, then you played with the Bucks for that
Speaker 1: short stint. Did you know that you wanted to be
Speaker 1: done and enter the broadcasting world or sort of like
Speaker 1: walk us through when you say, all right, maybe it's
Speaker 1: time to make that decision or the decision is now.
Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of when you made that turn?
Speaker 1: You Well, I don't know if I ever actually like
Speaker 1: had a concrete moment where I was like, it's done,
Speaker 1: It's done. Yeah. But I think the moment that I
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be tough was we were we
Speaker 1: were had a great week of practice. I had came
Speaker 1: off you know, I was kind of beat up, obviously,
Speaker 1: I had done the three games straight and then had
Speaker 1: a muscle strain, which is expected off of three games
Speaker 1: straight with no rest and no real preparation. And so
Speaker 1: then I was coming back from it, and I had
Speaker 1: a good week of practice. I had three interceptions and practice.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling great. I said, oh, man, like I'm about
Speaker 1: to show them today, like I'm finally feeling like I'm
Speaker 1: in rhythm. CT. We got our helmets, one, we got
Speaker 1: our paths. One. We go out for the initial warm up.
Speaker 1: I'm jogging out. We do the break like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, jogging out on the field my calf said.
Speaker 1: I said, whoa, whoa? Did you know in that moment,
Speaker 1: I said, let me check it. I said, okay, I
Speaker 1: start jogging. Now they've already declared, man, so they already
Speaker 1: declared the inactives. So I start jogging and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's pain, it's sharp and getting sharper with every step.
Speaker 1: It's getting sharper. I'm like, there's no fucking way I
Speaker 1: just strained my calf. And the damn warm up. And
Speaker 1: you want to know the hardest conversation to go to
Speaker 1: the head coach, to go to b A and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm out. It's like in the warm up and not
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown out. You're like, yeah, take your shirt off.
Speaker 1: I said, I can't play. I was like, my capturing,
Speaker 1: I can't even a merely walk. And he's like, like,
Speaker 1: you're joking with me right now, and I like, I wish.
Speaker 1: I was like, I got I got nothing. That's what
Speaker 1: I knew. I was gonna be tough, I said, I
Speaker 1: went to the locker room, I said in the trader
Speaker 1: and I said, you got to be kidding. And that
Speaker 1: was when I was like, yeah, this might be the
Speaker 1: old body might be telling you that's enough, because you
Speaker 1: didn't want it to be. You still want to be
Speaker 1: out there, you still want to be going. And so
Speaker 1: then you said, yeah, I still felt good. I still
Speaker 1: felt good that week, and and you you're going, I'm going,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to I'm ready to kill it and just
Speaker 1: shut it down. I said, okay, well, good for you, body,
Speaker 1: good for you. So the TNF broadcasting experience, of course,
Speaker 1: I'm having the privilege of sitting next to you on
Speaker 1: that set is incredible, and you're a host dream because
Speaker 1: you just know that you're always going to be prepared,
Speaker 1: you're always going to be able to speak on anything,
Speaker 1: and do it with such emotion. But how is the
Speaker 1: experience take you and I like working together out of it?
Speaker 1: How has it been for you? Just in general? It's
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun, and I wish I could
Speaker 1: take us out of it. But that's why it's been fun.
Speaker 1: We got such a cool crew, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think the team matters. And I think the team from
Speaker 1: the producers, from the stage staff, the media staff, you know,
Speaker 1: Amy and those guys Amina, Maria and execs, you know,
Speaker 1: Jay and Jared, and you know, it's just a cool place.
Speaker 1: You know. Then you got Smitty and Tay Myra, you
Speaker 1: got everybody. It's just a fun place. It makes the
Speaker 1: experience fun. So I think that's made everything a lot
Speaker 1: easier because I'm having a blast anyway. I get to
Speaker 1: go to the games, we get to have a blast,
Speaker 1: sit there and talk the game, shoot the stuff. And
Speaker 1: then they passed to be on TV. He goes. At
Speaker 1: one point, he goes, I can't believe we get paid
Speaker 1: to do this, But Aaron, you know, and this is
Speaker 1: like our cruise, become our family. And you have spent
Speaker 1: and you know, Aaron, the twenty years on the road
Speaker 1: with various different crews, whether it was at ESPN and
Speaker 1: of course at Fox for this part of your career.
Speaker 1: But it's like you get so close with these guys
Speaker 1: that they become your brothers and your family and spending
Speaker 1: holidays together. Yep. And you do with the players too,
Speaker 1: especially teams that you see a lot. I was really
Speaker 1: tight with that Seahawks team when I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: be on their sidelines. Pam did their sidelines. I was
Speaker 1: on the broncos I was a mass like that hurt.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be with my boys and like their
Speaker 1: pr was inviting me to their party that night when
Speaker 1: y'all won in New York. So yeah, you become really
Speaker 1: really tight. Sure, what is something about this side of
Speaker 1: the camera maybe that you didn't know about? I mean,
Speaker 1: you've been are in front of a lot of cameras
Speaker 1: when you did this with that you know us, and
Speaker 1: we interviewed it and stuff like that. But what's the
Speaker 1: one thing that's like, all right, this is a tad different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was what you're talking about earlier, but you're you're
Speaker 1: not giving yourself enough credit. Interview In his heart, interviewing
Speaker 1: is tough like no one because you gotta be reactive
Speaker 1: all of somebody else. You gotta have prepared question, and
Speaker 1: then you gotta know when it script away and just
Speaker 1: go with what the moment is. And even in the moment,
Speaker 1: you got to know how much I'm letting them just
Speaker 1: just breathe and let him go, or how much I
Speaker 1: need to get this question in, And then I got
Speaker 1: a time limit and I got people in my ear,
Speaker 1: and it's like, good, You're so good at it. Though,
Speaker 1: how about the people in your air business. Huh that's
Speaker 1: a whole other level, right, that's a whole other level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to, like were a somber face to not
Speaker 1: laugh because I'm waiting I have with I get to
Speaker 1: goofy on on camera, so they'll say something my ear
Speaker 1: and I be like, no, it's one of the I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy the other day, he's leaning into the desk
Speaker 1: arrand and it's a black surface desk, so there's a reflection.
Speaker 1: He's making sure he doesn't have any figures so I
Speaker 1: don't need any backs in the cave, and like he
Speaker 1: doesn't know we're on TV or not on TV, Like
Speaker 1: this guy just saying it. So the moment that stands
Speaker 1: out to me, and it's well documented. Your critique of
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and there's there's a whole backstory to that.
Speaker 1: But I know that you also are still a good
Speaker 1: person and you do care about people. But that moment
Speaker 1: when we're standing in Denver and you lost your ship
Speaker 1: and said run the ball, run the ball like that
Speaker 1: was like my errand moment on the sideline with you
Speaker 1: just like losing, and I was like, well, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be fun with this dude. But it's just who
Speaker 1: you are, all right, right right? I wish I could
Speaker 1: turn it off. I had. I had a Rams game
Speaker 1: that we were prepping for that weekend, so you guys
Speaker 1: were on my TV right here. We were on a
Speaker 1: zoom getting ready for the Rams game, and Bobby came
Speaker 1: on and we started talking to him, and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I got your boy on right here on the pregame.
Speaker 1: You know, he's just fired up. He's like, I gotta
Speaker 1: get home and watch this. How do you summarize that
Speaker 1: time sure in the Legion of Boom and that ten
Speaker 1: years and just that run that you guys had. I
Speaker 1: think in totally how many years did you have in Seattle?
Speaker 1: Seven had seven? Okay, so which was seven eight? That
Speaker 1: that run that you guys went on. How do you
Speaker 1: put into words that experience because such a great group,
Speaker 1: but just even the back to back Super Bowls and
Speaker 1: what you guys did in that city, I mean my
Speaker 1: nieces and nephews, it was like Blue Friday and like
Speaker 1: it just changed that whole place. It was unbelievable. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to really put that into words because it
Speaker 1: was so unexpected but kind of expected a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's hard to like
Speaker 1: because we worked really hard and it started so early
Speaker 1: on that people aren't gonna believe in whenever they do
Speaker 1: the like documentary about it. But during the lockout, because
Speaker 1: that's when I got drafted. It was a lockout year.
Speaker 1: We we weren't allowing locker rooms or nothing. We weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to talk to the teams even when you got drafted.
Speaker 1: And I had flown out to Seattle on my own time,
Speaker 1: and I was staying with Walt Thurmott and all we
Speaker 1: had was each other, and so he we would go
Speaker 1: to Earl's house. Earl had a house on the lake
Speaker 1: and we just hang out there and you know, everybody
Speaker 1: would be there. We shoot the stuff, and then we
Speaker 1: go to l A Fitness and hoop and you know
Speaker 1: we rided his jet skis and what lost his sorts
Speaker 1: on the jet ski. You know, we're pulling each other,
Speaker 1: we're doing dumb stuff. We're young. Um, not in the
Speaker 1: contract right right, We're not on the contract right now. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: But we go to play at l A Fitness after
Speaker 1: landing and written down the street from the facility and
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford is there, like it's probably like people there
Speaker 1: and yeah, they run. They get some good runs in
Speaker 1: with those guys, get some really good and so it's me,
Speaker 1: cam Earl and walk is our team, and I think
Speaker 1: we had one other guy, one random guy, but we
Speaker 1: were running them off the first off camp. I thought
Speaker 1: An was Lebron that day because he was his jumper
Speaker 1: was falling like they're going shot was shot him in Jamal,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, damn, that was just his best day ever.
Speaker 1: He was just in rhythm that day. He's not normally
Speaker 1: liked that, but um, but we're communicating like we're playing
Speaker 1: great defense, like we were not losing the game that day,
Speaker 1: and we had never really played with each other. We
Speaker 1: had never really I mean, it was like the second
Speaker 1: day of us meeting second or third day, and it
Speaker 1: was just such an amazing chemistry and like togetherness, and
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, y'all, y'all do it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So fast forward through our first season, you know, we
Speaker 1: get closer and closer. I got start to the sixth
Speaker 1: game of the season. But when I first start, Earl
Speaker 1: comes up to me. He's like, hey, hey, if they
Speaker 1: ever come inside, if they ever released inside, I got it.
Speaker 1: Don't even worry about it. Like, so play for the faith,
Speaker 1: play for the goal. If they go inside, I got you.
Speaker 1: And we had Victor Cruz that day. We have Victor
Speaker 1: Cruz and all his little yeah, I mean, his saucea dancing.
Speaker 1: So I played for the faith, play for the faith.
Speaker 1: He breaks me to the faith and goes inside. I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm head down hit there like damn, Like I'm
Speaker 1: getting beat. Like this is my first I'm getting significant
Speaker 1: playing time. I didn't start the game, but I'm getting
Speaker 1: a lot of playtime. Here comes Earl picks the ball off,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, all right now we were cooking
Speaker 1: with grease out here, like it's such a trust, you know,
Speaker 1: And so it developed then and obviously fast forward over time,
Speaker 1: our relationships, our trust. They're like my brothers. You know,
Speaker 1: we know each other's kids, we know each other's families,
Speaker 1: go to everybody's you know, kids, birthdays, go to the
Speaker 1: and so when when it came down to football, that
Speaker 1: was just like you're playing with your family. Like we
Speaker 1: got really good players with plan with our family. So
Speaker 1: then when mistakes happen, our adversity happens, it's not like
Speaker 1: everybody's point fingers. It's like, hey, you're good. Like it's fun,
Speaker 1: ain't it. We'll get up off the ground, but we're
Speaker 1: about to come back. We got it so good. Hey,
Speaker 1: I got so that defense. Obviously, I don't need to
Speaker 1: tell you just how unbelievable you guys were. And you
Speaker 1: and I have talked offline about dan Quinn, who I
Speaker 1: know every time we interview him with the Cowboys, he
Speaker 1: goes on and on when he compares players. Your name
Speaker 1: is always brought up when he talks about his secondary.
Speaker 1: Your name is always brought up, Diana, ask you with
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn defense, is that the defense in Dallas
Speaker 1: that could slow down the Philadelphia Eagles? I have them
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, if I have to choose the sideline. He's
Speaker 1: the winning sideline. What am I looking at here? And
Speaker 1: that could very well be. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: can be an NFC championship game. I don't think that's possible.
Speaker 1: They could be probably the divisional right, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: My math blows. I'm not good at this. But if
Speaker 1: we see them in postseason, we'll see them Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that matchup? Because they're the
Speaker 1: two hottest one could it could happen. It'd be a
Speaker 1: long shot because you need like us, you need like
Speaker 1: him to win in a six or seven seed. Now
Speaker 1: many many could lose, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: you you can theretically, like you could have Heinek or
Speaker 1: somebody go up there and be hottest fishery start Detroit,
Speaker 1: be as hot as they are and go up there
Speaker 1: and cause problems to somebody. But I would say yes.
Speaker 1: I would say dan quinn defense with the personnel that
Speaker 1: he has, and and him feeling good and trusting his
Speaker 1: guys and having the corners that he has, he trusted.
Speaker 1: His corners obviously have the injury, but Diggs is really good.
Speaker 1: They got to pass where they have the linebackers they
Speaker 1: have the safeties, So yes, I think he could slow
Speaker 1: it down and they did, they did in the first
Speaker 1: game for the most part. But offensively that's where you're
Speaker 1: concern you know, they're not like that's why they like
Speaker 1: with Jordan Davis coming back with Sue now limb Ville,
Speaker 1: Like they don't have the glaring holes and weaknesses that
Speaker 1: they did the first time they had where you should
Speaker 1: be able to just put it down the throat. And
Speaker 1: so that's where it's tough because with the dan Quinn defense,
Speaker 1: you also need a great running game. I want to
Speaker 1: ask what's wrong with the box um the Dolphins line
Speaker 1: that has just spooked Tom? You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he don't have any trust, Like he has an
Speaker 1: immense trust and his ability to stand back there and
Speaker 1: like that's why he's not pushing the ball down the
Speaker 1: field very often because he don't think he has time
Speaker 1: to do it. And every time he does, something bad happens,
Speaker 1: like it's a holding car or somebody's coming to rock
Speaker 1: his boat. Is that what's off with him? And Evans
Speaker 1: we were talking about that after the game. We're like,
Speaker 1: what's going on there? It's probably a number of things
Speaker 1: like and and it's just no report, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a huge deal like him not
Speaker 1: coming to training camp, but that is the time a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes built that foundation, that trust, that cohesion
Speaker 1: of like, hey, that report and they've played together for
Speaker 1: a number of years now, so it shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: that far. Yeah, I'm just gonna say they played together.
Speaker 1: So what is that? Yeah, this some of it is unexplainable.
Speaker 1: Some of it I just don't really have answers. The
Speaker 1: offensive line, losing Jensen, losing Tristan, you know, losing the guards.
Speaker 1: If they would have came back with Kappa and the
Speaker 1: that same line, I think they'd be the exact same team.
Speaker 1: I mean, they'd be similar. They lost They lost Shock
Speaker 1: on defense, which is their leading rusher. He's the kingpin
Speaker 1: of what they do in the past rushing game. They've
Speaker 1: been beat up in the secondary. You know, Winfields missed
Speaker 1: a bunch of games, and some of the guys just
Speaker 1: aren't playing up to the level they've played before. So
Speaker 1: for your career, and this is kind of this is
Speaker 1: a psychological question, but like of emotion, was the emotion
Speaker 1: harder to lose? Like, did you feel the loss of
Speaker 1: a super Bowl or was it better to win kind
Speaker 1: of thing, like, of course it's better to win. What
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, it was the emotion more intense
Speaker 1: losing or winning a Super Bowl. Losing, I mean, just
Speaker 1: because build I hate losing more than I love winning,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's what drives me more.
Speaker 1: It's not the desire to win. It's that I hate
Speaker 1: to lose. I refuse, you know, and when you lose
Speaker 1: insanity and compounded in the way that that loss happened.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was worse because you guys thought
Speaker 1: you would won that Super Bowl? And no, it was
Speaker 1: harder because of what we have went through to get there.
Speaker 1: You know what we have to overcome to get there.
Speaker 1: You go through the NFC Championship and that freaking chaotic
Speaker 1: emotional game where you're down sixteen oh at the half
Speaker 1: to the m v P of the National Football League.
Speaker 1: You've had everything bad that could happen to you, and
Speaker 1: you felt like you've played a pretty good game defensively.
Speaker 1: Then I hurt my elbow and earl terraces labor and
Speaker 1: his shoulder and you're just out there like one arm
Speaker 1: and one shoulder and we're like we're gonna battle to
Speaker 1: the end. We don't expect to win. Where down nineteen
Speaker 1: the three and they're like, hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: go to the locker room and get X ray with
Speaker 1: Tim Inster go in the game and like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not looking great. I'm like, no, I'm a soldier
Speaker 1: this out. We're gonna at least die on the sword,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, with our guys and go
Speaker 1: out here and then we come back and win it,
Speaker 1: and then to get back to the super Bowl and
Speaker 1: then be all beat up like we are shoulder and
Speaker 1: then the day before the Super Bowl, cam Terce is
Speaker 1: mcl and you're like and then so you you you
Speaker 1: got on this on your back and you're like, we're battling.
Speaker 1: We're battling. We're battling, battling. So that's where it hurts more,
Speaker 1: where it's like we've sacrificed so much to get here,
Speaker 1: We're already playing so much pain, through so much expectation,
Speaker 1: and then for that to happen, you're just like mm hmmm, huh, Hey,
Speaker 1: all right, that's a I would have preferred to die
Speaker 1: on the store. Hey do you think if after that
Speaker 1: first super Bowl win, a lot of people don't know this.
Speaker 1: I do because I was trying to make it happen,
Speaker 1: but then unfortunately got hurt in that Super Bowl. If
Speaker 1: you hadn't gotten hurt and you had, like originally thought,
Speaker 1: competed on Dancing with the Stars, you probably would have
Speaker 1: won that many ball, Wouldn't you know? What? I was
Speaker 1: paced because I was like, my man is coming on
Speaker 1: my show. I'm it's gonna be a whole thing, exciting, excited. Sure,
Speaker 1: you've got the Richard Sherman podcast, your dream podcast. Guest
Speaker 1: is well arresting Peace would have been Muhammad Ali. I
Speaker 1: would have had a lot of questions for him. I
Speaker 1: would have had a ton and Kobe Bean, you know,
Speaker 1: a good friend again, you know, rest in peace. But
Speaker 1: those are probably two that I would need on the show.
Speaker 1: And we would hey time limits to turn the time
Speaker 1: off because we got a lot to talk about. Um,
Speaker 1: I just was gonna ask you, it's the question that
Speaker 1: we were all thinking when we left that stadium yesterday,
Speaker 1: and if we potentially see them weeks seventeen eighteen on Fox,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. If you are Vegas and you're San
Speaker 1: Francisco and you are loaded on both ends, do you
Speaker 1: try to get Tom Brady and do you think he'll
Speaker 1: go there next year? And you're talking about Tom going
Speaker 1: to Vegas. That was McAfee's whole thing today. I hadn't
Speaker 1: even thought about Vegas. We were saying, and I flat outside.
Speaker 1: Did John lynchd Vegas? I did? I said, both McAfee's
Speaker 1: talking Vegas today because of McDaniels and what they have
Speaker 1: on offense and how they're all in on defense. There's
Speaker 1: also the San Francisco part. Now, who knows what's going
Speaker 1: to happen personally with his You know, his kids are
Speaker 1: on the East Coast. He's got a son in New York.
Speaker 1: But I'd love to do some home games in San
Speaker 1: Francis guy. Um but, I mean he's California kid, East Coast.
Speaker 1: He's been the East Coast for the last twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Um but, And Kyle got one for you, New Orleans
Speaker 1: Saints Sean Payton goes back to New Orleans and takes
Speaker 1: Tom with him. Yeah, but are they watch it one
Speaker 1: either one of those teams? They have enough and defensively
Speaker 1: they get healthy, they get healthy. They probably need another
Speaker 1: conformation is terrible. He's in it and he's been in it.
Speaker 1: He loves Sean. It was the whole Miami thing originally
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be them, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like that's also I think it's
Speaker 1: a lower lower probability he goes to San Francisco than
Speaker 1: that craziness of New Orleans going with Sean. That that
Speaker 1: that would probably because San Francisco. It just would be
Speaker 1: if party does anything this year, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for him not to, like if he's
Speaker 1: playing like he is now, if he just plays like
Speaker 1: it'll be like rich Gannon and Ilford when they took
Speaker 1: those defensively strong teams to those Super Bowls and you're like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't have to do anything but not
Speaker 1: mess it up. And he's doing more than that, you know,
Speaker 1: not don't take anything away from me, he's doing more
Speaker 1: than that. But that's all he has to do is
Speaker 1: not mess the game up. Like if they get in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and they have a run of like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe they in the first round, they got the Giants,
Speaker 1: second round, they got Minnesota, third round, they get to
Speaker 1: the MC Championship and got the Eagles, that would be like,
Speaker 1: but then I want to know about Super Bowl, Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I had San Francisco casey this year and the defense
Speaker 1: couldn't keep up. Now they were injured. Damiko Ryan said,
Speaker 1: but do you like second matchup San Francisco Kansas City
Speaker 1: now that they've you know, been a part of that blowout,
Speaker 1: can they handle it? I think they're more than up
Speaker 1: to the task. I think prior that's the hard thing
Speaker 1: in this league, Like you blow a team out, you
Speaker 1: piss them off because they're still grown men with pride
Speaker 1: and they're really talented team. On top of that, they
Speaker 1: didn't have Eric Armstead in that game too, and he's
Speaker 1: the kingpin. He's the one that is and you might
Speaker 1: have to bond Kimlaw back by then. And so it
Speaker 1: gets crazier for San Francisco as they get healthy, and
Speaker 1: every year it seems like this. They're they're beat up
Speaker 1: early and then later on you're like, oh, yeah, they
Speaker 1: got that guy, Oh what about that guy's Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy you know, like Elijah Mitchell's coming back. And
Speaker 1: you'll come back just in time, and you'll look up
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, damn, look at chereon we have
Speaker 1: a sign behind you. It says work hard and be
Speaker 1: nice to people. You do both of those very very well.
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