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Speaker 1: is a long time coming in in Shurt Sherman reunited

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Speaker 1: short stint. Did you know that you wanted to be

425
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Speaker 1: done and enter the broadcasting world or sort of like

426
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Speaker 1: walk us through when you say, all right, maybe it's

427
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,640
Speaker 1: time to make that decision or the decision is now.

428
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Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of when you made that turn?

429
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Speaker 1: You Well, I don't know if I ever actually like

430
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 1: had a concrete moment where I was like, it's done,

431
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 1: It's done. Yeah. But I think the moment that I

432
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be tough was we were we

433
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Speaker 1: were had a great week of practice. I had came

434
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Speaker 1: off you know, I was kind of beat up, obviously,

435
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 1: I had done the three games straight and then had

436
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Speaker 1: a muscle strain, which is expected off of three games

437
00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,119
Speaker 1: straight with no rest and no real preparation. And so

438
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 1: then I was coming back from it, and I had

439
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: a good week of practice. I had three interceptions and practice.

440
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm feeling great. I said, oh, man, like I'm about

441
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 1: to show them today, like I'm finally feeling like I'm

442
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 1: in rhythm. CT. We got our helmets, one, we got

443
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: our paths. One. We go out for the initial warm up.

444
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm jogging out. We do the break like you know

445
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, jogging out on the field my calf said.

446
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 1: I said, whoa, whoa? Did you know in that moment,

447
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 1: I said, let me check it. I said, okay, I

448
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: start jogging. Now they've already declared, man, so they already

449
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: declared the inactives. So I start jogging and I'm like,

450
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: it's pain, it's sharp and getting sharper with every step.

451
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 1: It's getting sharper. I'm like, there's no fucking way I

452
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 1: just strained my calf. And the damn warm up. And

453
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Speaker 1: you want to know the hardest conversation to go to

454
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Speaker 1: the head coach, to go to b A and be like, yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: I'm out. It's like in the warm up and not

456
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown out. You're like, yeah, take your shirt off.

457
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: I said, I can't play. I was like, my capturing,

458
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 1: I can't even a merely walk. And he's like, like,

459
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 1: you're joking with me right now, and I like, I wish.

460
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 1: I was like, I got I got nothing. That's what

461
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: I knew. I was gonna be tough, I said, I

462
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 1: went to the locker room, I said in the trader

463
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: and I said, you got to be kidding. And that

464
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: was when I was like, yeah, this might be the

465
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: old body might be telling you that's enough, because you

466
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: didn't want it to be. You still want to be

467
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: out there, you still want to be going. And so

468
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: then you said, yeah, I still felt good. I still

469
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 1: felt good that week, and and you you're going, I'm going,

470
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm ready to I'm ready to kill it and just

471
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Speaker 1: shut it down. I said, okay, well, good for you, body,

472
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: good for you. So the TNF broadcasting experience, of course,

473
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Speaker 1: I'm having the privilege of sitting next to you on

474
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Speaker 1: that set is incredible, and you're a host dream because

475
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 1: you just know that you're always going to be prepared,

476
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: you're always going to be able to speak on anything,

477
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: and do it with such emotion. But how is the

478
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: experience take you and I like working together out of it?

479
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: How has it been for you? Just in general? It's

480
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun, and I wish I could

481
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: take us out of it. But that's why it's been fun.

482
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: We got such a cool crew, you know, and I

483
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: think the team matters. And I think the team from

484
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 1: the producers, from the stage staff, the media staff, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: Amy and those guys Amina, Maria and execs, you know,

486
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: Jay and Jared, and you know, it's just a cool place.

487
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: You know. Then you got Smitty and Tay Myra, you

488
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: got everybody. It's just a fun place. It makes the

489
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Speaker 1: experience fun. So I think that's made everything a lot

490
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Speaker 1: easier because I'm having a blast anyway. I get to

491
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: go to the games, we get to have a blast,

492
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: sit there and talk the game, shoot the stuff. And

493
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: then they passed to be on TV. He goes. At

494
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: one point, he goes, I can't believe we get paid

495
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: to do this, But Aaron, you know, and this is

496
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: like our cruise, become our family. And you have spent

497
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Speaker 1: and you know, Aaron, the twenty years on the road

498
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Speaker 1: with various different crews, whether it was at ESPN and

499
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: of course at Fox for this part of your career.

500
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: But it's like you get so close with these guys

501
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: that they become your brothers and your family and spending

502
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: holidays together. Yep. And you do with the players too,

503
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: especially teams that you see a lot. I was really

504
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: tight with that Seahawks team when I wasn't able to

505
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: be on their sidelines. Pam did their sidelines. I was

506
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: on the broncos I was a mass like that hurt.

507
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to be with my boys and like their

508
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: pr was inviting me to their party that night when

509
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: y'all won in New York. So yeah, you become really

510
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: really tight. Sure, what is something about this side of

511
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: the camera maybe that you didn't know about? I mean,

512
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: you've been are in front of a lot of cameras

513
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: when you did this with that you know us, and

514
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: we interviewed it and stuff like that. But what's the

515
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: one thing that's like, all right, this is a tad different. Yeah,

516
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: it was what you're talking about earlier, but you're you're

517
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: not giving yourself enough credit. Interview In his heart, interviewing

518
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: is tough like no one because you gotta be reactive

519
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: all of somebody else. You gotta have prepared question, and

520
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: then you gotta know when it script away and just

521
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: go with what the moment is. And even in the moment,

522
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: you got to know how much I'm letting them just

523
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: just breathe and let him go, or how much I

524
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: need to get this question in, And then I got

525
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: a time limit and I got people in my ear,

526
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, good, You're so good at it. Though,

527
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: how about the people in your air business. Huh that's

528
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: a whole other level, right, that's a whole other level. Yeah,

529
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 1: I have to, like were a somber face to not

530
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: laugh because I'm waiting I have with I get to

531
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: goofy on on camera, so they'll say something my ear

532
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: and I be like, no, it's one of the I mean,

533
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: this guy the other day, he's leaning into the desk

534
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: arrand and it's a black surface desk, so there's a reflection.

535
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: He's making sure he doesn't have any figures so I

536
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: don't need any backs in the cave, and like he

537
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: doesn't know we're on TV or not on TV, Like

538
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: this guy just saying it. So the moment that stands

539
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: out to me, and it's well documented. Your critique of

540
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and there's there's a whole backstory to that.

541
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: But I know that you also are still a good

542
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: person and you do care about people. But that moment

543
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: when we're standing in Denver and you lost your ship

544
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: and said run the ball, run the ball like that

545
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: was like my errand moment on the sideline with you

546
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: just like losing, and I was like, well, this is

547
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: gonna be fun with this dude. But it's just who

548
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: you are, all right, right right? I wish I could

549
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: turn it off. I had. I had a Rams game

550
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: that we were prepping for that weekend, so you guys

551
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: were on my TV right here. We were on a

552
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: zoom getting ready for the Rams game, and Bobby came

553
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: on and we started talking to him, and I said, hey,

554
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: I got your boy on right here on the pregame.

555
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: You know, he's just fired up. He's like, I gotta

556
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: get home and watch this. How do you summarize that

557
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: time sure in the Legion of Boom and that ten

558
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: years and just that run that you guys had. I

559
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: think in totally how many years did you have in Seattle?

560
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: Seven had seven? Okay, so which was seven eight? That

561
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: that run that you guys went on. How do you

562
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: put into words that experience because such a great group,

563
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: but just even the back to back Super Bowls and

564
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: what you guys did in that city, I mean my

565
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: nieces and nephews, it was like Blue Friday and like

566
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: it just changed that whole place. It was unbelievable. You know,

567
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to really put that into words because it

568
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: was so unexpected but kind of expected a little bit,

569
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's hard to like

570
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: because we worked really hard and it started so early

571
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: on that people aren't gonna believe in whenever they do

572
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: the like documentary about it. But during the lockout, because

573
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: that's when I got drafted. It was a lockout year.

574
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: We we weren't allowing locker rooms or nothing. We weren't

575
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: allowed to talk to the teams even when you got drafted.

576
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: And I had flown out to Seattle on my own time,

577
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: and I was staying with Walt Thurmott and all we

578
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: had was each other, and so he we would go

579
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: to Earl's house. Earl had a house on the lake

580
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: and we just hang out there and you know, everybody

581
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: would be there. We shoot the stuff, and then we

582
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: go to l A Fitness and hoop and you know

583
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: we rided his jet skis and what lost his sorts

584
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: on the jet ski. You know, we're pulling each other,

585
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: we're doing dumb stuff. We're young. Um, not in the

586
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: contract right right, We're not on the contract right now. Yeah. Uh.

587
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: But we go to play at l A Fitness after

588
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: landing and written down the street from the facility and

589
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford is there, like it's probably like people there

590
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: and yeah, they run. They get some good runs in

591
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: with those guys, get some really good and so it's me,

592
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: cam Earl and walk is our team, and I think

593
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: we had one other guy, one random guy, but we

594
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: were running them off the first off camp. I thought

595
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: An was Lebron that day because he was his jumper

596
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: was falling like they're going shot was shot him in Jamal,

597
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, damn, that was just his best day ever.

598
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: He was just in rhythm that day. He's not normally

599
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: liked that, but um, but we're communicating like we're playing

600
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: great defense, like we were not losing the game that day,

601
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: and we had never really played with each other. We

602
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: had never really I mean, it was like the second

603
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: day of us meeting second or third day, and it

604
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: was just such an amazing chemistry and like togetherness, and

605
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: it was like, all right, y'all, y'all do it's pretty cool.

606
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: So fast forward through our first season, you know, we

607
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: get closer and closer. I got start to the sixth

608
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: game of the season. But when I first start, Earl

609
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: comes up to me. He's like, hey, hey, if they

610
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: ever come inside, if they ever released inside, I got it.

611
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: Don't even worry about it. Like, so play for the faith,

612
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: play for the goal. If they go inside, I got you.

613
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: And we had Victor Cruz that day. We have Victor

614
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: Cruz and all his little yeah, I mean, his saucea dancing.

615
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: So I played for the faith, play for the faith.

616
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: He breaks me to the faith and goes inside. I'm like, so,

617
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm head down hit there like damn, Like I'm

618
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: getting beat. Like this is my first I'm getting significant

619
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: playing time. I didn't start the game, but I'm getting

620
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of playtime. Here comes Earl picks the ball off,

621
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, all right now we were cooking

622
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: with grease out here, like it's such a trust, you know,

623
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: And so it developed then and obviously fast forward over time,

624
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: our relationships, our trust. They're like my brothers. You know,

625
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: we know each other's kids, we know each other's families,

626
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: go to everybody's you know, kids, birthdays, go to the

627
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: and so when when it came down to football, that

628
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: was just like you're playing with your family. Like we

629
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: got really good players with plan with our family. So

630
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: then when mistakes happen, our adversity happens, it's not like

631
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: everybody's point fingers. It's like, hey, you're good. Like it's fun,

632
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: ain't it. We'll get up off the ground, but we're

633
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: about to come back. We got it so good. Hey,

634
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: I got so that defense. Obviously, I don't need to

635
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Speaker 1: tell you just how unbelievable you guys were. And you

636
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Speaker 1: and I have talked offline about dan Quinn, who I

637
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Speaker 1: know every time we interview him with the Cowboys, he

638
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: goes on and on when he compares players. Your name

639
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: is always brought up when he talks about his secondary.

640
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Speaker 1: Your name is always brought up, Diana, ask you with

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Speaker 1: a dan Quinn defense, is that the defense in Dallas

642
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Speaker 1: that could slow down the Philadelphia Eagles? I have them

643
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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, if I have to choose the sideline. He's

644
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Speaker 1: the winning sideline. What am I looking at here? And

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Speaker 1: that could very well be. I don't know if they

646
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Speaker 1: can be an NFC championship game. I don't think that's possible.

647
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Speaker 1: They could be probably the divisional right, I'm not sure.

648
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: My math blows. I'm not good at this. But if

649
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Speaker 1: we see them in postseason, we'll see them Christmas Eve.

650
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Speaker 1: What do you think about that matchup? Because they're the

651
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Speaker 1: two hottest one could it could happen. It'd be a

652
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Speaker 1: long shot because you need like us, you need like

653
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Speaker 1: him to win in a six or seven seed. Now

654
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Speaker 1: many many could lose, you know what I mean? So

655
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Speaker 1: you you can theretically, like you could have Heinek or

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Speaker 1: somebody go up there and be hottest fishery start Detroit,

657
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Speaker 1: be as hot as they are and go up there

658
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Speaker 1: and cause problems to somebody. But I would say yes.

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Speaker 1: I would say dan quinn defense with the personnel that

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Speaker 1: he has, and and him feeling good and trusting his

661
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Speaker 1: guys and having the corners that he has, he trusted.

662
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: His corners obviously have the injury, but Diggs is really good.

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Speaker 1: They got to pass where they have the linebackers they

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Speaker 1: have the safeties, So yes, I think he could slow

665
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Speaker 1: it down and they did, they did in the first

666
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Speaker 1: game for the most part. But offensively that's where you're

667
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Speaker 1: concern you know, they're not like that's why they like

668
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Speaker 1: with Jordan Davis coming back with Sue now limb Ville,

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Speaker 1: Like they don't have the glaring holes and weaknesses that

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Speaker 1: they did the first time they had where you should

671
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Speaker 1: be able to just put it down the throat. And

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Speaker 1: so that's where it's tough because with the dan Quinn defense,

673
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Speaker 1: you also need a great running game. I want to

674
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: ask what's wrong with the box um the Dolphins line

675
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: that has just spooked Tom? You know what I mean,

676
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: Like he don't have any trust, Like he has an

677
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: immense trust and his ability to stand back there and

678
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: like that's why he's not pushing the ball down the

679
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: field very often because he don't think he has time

680
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Speaker 1: to do it. And every time he does, something bad happens,

681
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: like it's a holding car or somebody's coming to rock

682
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Speaker 1: his boat. Is that what's off with him? And Evans

683
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: we were talking about that after the game. We're like,

684
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Speaker 1: what's going on there? It's probably a number of things

685
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: like and and it's just no report, you know what

686
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a huge deal like him not

687
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: coming to training camp, but that is the time a

688
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: lot of dudes built that foundation, that trust, that cohesion

689
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Speaker 1: of like, hey, that report and they've played together for

690
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: a number of years now, so it shouldn't have been

691
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: that far. Yeah, I'm just gonna say they played together.

692
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Speaker 1: So what is that? Yeah, this some of it is unexplainable.

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Speaker 1: Some of it I just don't really have answers. The

694
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Speaker 1: offensive line, losing Jensen, losing Tristan, you know, losing the guards.

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Speaker 1: If they would have came back with Kappa and the

696
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: that same line, I think they'd be the exact same team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they'd be similar. They lost They lost Shock

698
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Speaker 1: on defense, which is their leading rusher. He's the kingpin

699
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Speaker 1: of what they do in the past rushing game. They've

700
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: been beat up in the secondary. You know, Winfields missed

701
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of games, and some of the guys just

702
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: aren't playing up to the level they've played before. So

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Speaker 1: for your career, and this is kind of this is

704
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: a psychological question, but like of emotion, was the emotion

705
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Speaker 1: harder to lose? Like, did you feel the loss of

706
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl or was it better to win kind

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Speaker 1: of thing, like, of course it's better to win. What

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, it was the emotion more intense

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Speaker 1: losing or winning a Super Bowl. Losing, I mean, just

710
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Speaker 1: because build I hate losing more than I love winning,

711
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's what drives me more.

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00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: It's not the desire to win. It's that I hate

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Speaker 1: to lose. I refuse, you know, and when you lose

714
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Speaker 1: insanity and compounded in the way that that loss happened.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it was worse because you guys thought

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Speaker 1: you would won that Super Bowl? And no, it was

717
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: harder because of what we have went through to get there.

718
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: You know what we have to overcome to get there.

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Speaker 1: You go through the NFC Championship and that freaking chaotic

720
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Speaker 1: emotional game where you're down sixteen oh at the half

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Speaker 1: to the m v P of the National Football League.

722
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: You've had everything bad that could happen to you, and

723
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Speaker 1: you felt like you've played a pretty good game defensively.

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Speaker 1: Then I hurt my elbow and earl terraces labor and

725
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: his shoulder and you're just out there like one arm

726
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: and one shoulder and we're like we're gonna battle to

727
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Speaker 1: the end. We don't expect to win. Where down nineteen

728
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: the three and they're like, hey, do you want to

729
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: go to the locker room and get X ray with

730
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Speaker 1: Tim Inster go in the game and like, I mean,

731
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Speaker 1: it's not looking great. I'm like, no, I'm a soldier

732
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Speaker 1: this out. We're gonna at least die on the sword,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, with our guys and go

734
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: out here and then we come back and win it,

735
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: and then to get back to the super Bowl and

736
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Speaker 1: then be all beat up like we are shoulder and

737
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Speaker 1: then the day before the Super Bowl, cam Terce is

738
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Speaker 1: mcl and you're like and then so you you you

739
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: got on this on your back and you're like, we're battling.

740
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: We're battling. We're battling, battling. So that's where it hurts more,

741
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: where it's like we've sacrificed so much to get here,

742
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: We're already playing so much pain, through so much expectation,

743
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: and then for that to happen, you're just like mm hmmm, huh, Hey,

744
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: all right, that's a I would have preferred to die

745
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: on the store. Hey do you think if after that

746
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: first super Bowl win, a lot of people don't know this.

747
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: I do because I was trying to make it happen,

748
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: but then unfortunately got hurt in that Super Bowl. If

749
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: you hadn't gotten hurt and you had, like originally thought,

750
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: competed on Dancing with the Stars, you probably would have

751
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: won that many ball, Wouldn't you know? What? I was

752
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: paced because I was like, my man is coming on

753
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: my show. I'm it's gonna be a whole thing, exciting, excited. Sure,

754
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: you've got the Richard Sherman podcast, your dream podcast. Guest

755
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: is well arresting Peace would have been Muhammad Ali. I

756
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: would have had a lot of questions for him. I

757
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: would have had a ton and Kobe Bean, you know,

758
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: a good friend again, you know, rest in peace. But

759
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: those are probably two that I would need on the show.

760
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: And we would hey time limits to turn the time

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00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: off because we got a lot to talk about. Um,

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00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: I just was gonna ask you, it's the question that

763
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: we were all thinking when we left that stadium yesterday,

764
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Speaker 1: and if we potentially see them weeks seventeen eighteen on Fox,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. If you are Vegas and you're San

766
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: Francisco and you are loaded on both ends, do you

767
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: try to get Tom Brady and do you think he'll

768
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: go there next year? And you're talking about Tom going

769
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: to Vegas. That was McAfee's whole thing today. I hadn't

770
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: even thought about Vegas. We were saying, and I flat outside.

771
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: Did John lynchd Vegas? I did? I said, both McAfee's

772
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: talking Vegas today because of McDaniels and what they have

773
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: on offense and how they're all in on defense. There's

774
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: also the San Francisco part. Now, who knows what's going

775
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: to happen personally with his You know, his kids are

776
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: on the East Coast. He's got a son in New York.

777
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: But I'd love to do some home games in San

778
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: Francis guy. Um but, I mean he's California kid, East Coast.

779
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: He's been the East Coast for the last twenty five years.

780
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Um but, And Kyle got one for you, New Orleans

781
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: Saints Sean Payton goes back to New Orleans and takes

782
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: Tom with him. Yeah, but are they watch it one

783
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: either one of those teams? They have enough and defensively

784
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: they get healthy, they get healthy. They probably need another

785
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: conformation is terrible. He's in it and he's been in it.

786
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: He loves Sean. It was the whole Miami thing originally

787
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be them, Like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I just don't feel like that's also I think it's

789
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: a lower lower probability he goes to San Francisco than

790
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: that craziness of New Orleans going with Sean. That that

791
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: that would probably because San Francisco. It just would be

792
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: if party does anything this year, you know, and it's

793
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for him not to, like if he's

794
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: playing like he is now, if he just plays like

795
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: it'll be like rich Gannon and Ilford when they took

796
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: those defensively strong teams to those Super Bowls and you're like,

797
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't have to do anything but not

798
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: mess it up. And he's doing more than that, you know,

799
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: not don't take anything away from me, he's doing more

800
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: than that. But that's all he has to do is

801
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: not mess the game up. Like if they get in

802
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: the playoffs and they have a run of like, hey,

803
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: maybe they in the first round, they got the Giants,

804
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: second round, they got Minnesota, third round, they get to

805
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: the MC Championship and got the Eagles, that would be like,

806
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: but then I want to know about Super Bowl, Super Bowl.

807
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: I had San Francisco casey this year and the defense

808
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: couldn't keep up. Now they were injured. Damiko Ryan said,

809
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: but do you like second matchup San Francisco Kansas City

810
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: now that they've you know, been a part of that blowout,

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Speaker 1: can they handle it? I think they're more than up

812
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: to the task. I think prior that's the hard thing

813
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: in this league, Like you blow a team out, you

814
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: piss them off because they're still grown men with pride

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Speaker 1: and they're really talented team. On top of that, they

816
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: didn't have Eric Armstead in that game too, and he's

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00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: the kingpin. He's the one that is and you might

818
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: have to bond Kimlaw back by then. And so it

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: gets crazier for San Francisco as they get healthy, and

820
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: every year it seems like this. They're they're beat up

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Speaker 1: early and then later on you're like, oh, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: got that guy, Oh what about that guy's Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that guy you know, like Elijah Mitchell's coming back. And

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Speaker 1: you'll come back just in time, and you'll look up

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00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, damn, look at chereon we have

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Speaker 1: a sign behind you. It says work hard and be

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