Speaker 1: To on the move, going Deep Speedways, Peace to Hellas
Speaker 1: from the Baptist Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 2: This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 1: He's my hav hands in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: What is up Dolphins? And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 3: I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show,
Speaker 3: more Draft Talk. We're taking a holistic view at the
Speaker 3: Dolphins draft class, how it played out, some of the
Speaker 3: upside of their draft day thinking and strategy, and some
Speaker 3: of my own notes and interesting trends about the rest
Speaker 3: of the draft. Plus we'll hear from the national media
Speaker 3: landscape on the Dolphins draft. From the Baptist Health Studios
Speaker 3: inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 2: The Draft Time Podcast. Ye Daffis First, I wanted to.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and talk about some of the thoughts or
Speaker 3: tweets or just general ideas out in the social media
Speaker 3: sphere of how the Dolphins draft played out. And I
Speaker 3: start with the same thing we let off yesterday's podcast,
Speaker 3: talking about the Warren Sharp consensus big board reach versus
Speaker 3: Value board and Miami finished second in that category in
Speaker 3: terms of net places gained in terms of where they
Speaker 3: drafted the player versus their consensus big Board value. And look,
Speaker 3: the consensus big board has been getting a lot of
Speaker 3: run lately in terms of just the general conversation about
Speaker 3: the draft and who gets the best value.
Speaker 2: But if you go back over several years.
Speaker 3: And this is compiling like one hundred big boards, a
Speaker 3: Reef Hassan from Wide Left does this. He wrote the
Speaker 3: great article recap in what happened to the Draft Network
Speaker 3: and the death of that once very promising website and company,
Speaker 3: and he compiles this.
Speaker 2: And it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 3: Man Like, it plays out pretty good in terms of
Speaker 3: where these these players know their careers wind up taking
Speaker 3: them in the production they give the team that drafts
Speaker 3: them originally as rookies. And so I thought it was
Speaker 3: worth talking about because on this consensus big board, the
Speaker 3: Dolphins made out really well number two overall in terms
Speaker 3: of the value they got for the players based upon
Speaker 3: where they were predicted or projected to go by the media.
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking again, probably threw some strays out
Speaker 3: on the Monday podcast. I'm not talking about the Washington
Speaker 3: Post or a guy that you know knows thirty names
Speaker 3: in the draft and then goes ahead and does or
Speaker 3: seven round thirty two grades on every draft team's draft
Speaker 3: in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about you.
Speaker 3: Know, your Kyle Krabs's, your John Ledyards, your Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 3: or Dane Bruger, like all the people that I think
Speaker 3: are very respected in this industry. So that's a very
Speaker 3: I guess slippery slope in terms of, well, this draft
Speaker 3: board is valuable, this one's not. I think that this
Speaker 3: one because of the sheer volume of it and the
Speaker 3: number of opinions it captures, and the value of those
Speaker 3: opinions to me makes it valuable. So here's the exact data.
Speaker 3: Malik Washington was considered one of the biggest steals of
Speaker 3: the entire draft. Based on the CBB expected pick was
Speaker 3: one oh one. He goes one eighty four, So that's
Speaker 3: a net of plus eighty three spots. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: So eighty three for him. Taj Washington was plus sixty
Speaker 3: two net spots, Moe Kamara was fifty five, Jalen Wriot
Speaker 3: was forty seven, and then Patrick Paul was actually thirteen
Speaker 3: spots over projected probably some tackle bump there for him,
Speaker 3: especially in that second round. And then actually believe or
Speaker 3: not the one guy besides Patrick McMorris, who was one
Speaker 3: hundred and two spots behind the consensus big board. I
Speaker 3: think most folks looked at him as a priority free agent.
Speaker 3: He winds up going there in the was it the
Speaker 3: seventh round or late sixth round? Late sixth round for
Speaker 3: Patrick McMorris. But the other guy that was behind the
Speaker 3: consensus big board in terms of a reach was actually
Speaker 3: Chop Robinson, who was relatively twenty eighth on that board.
Speaker 3: He goes seven spots behind where he was supposed to go,
Speaker 3: quote unquote. So in general, the Dolphins and Chris Career
Speaker 3: and Mike McDaniel, the entire staff did a fantastic job
Speaker 3: of really maximizing the value that was presented to them
Speaker 3: with the opportunities they had there on the draft, on
Speaker 3: the draft board on Draft nine, here's what the people
Speaker 3: out there are saying. Just want to go ahead and
Speaker 3: compile some of these tweets about our guys. First of all,
Speaker 3: Doug Farrar, who writes the I think It's the Touchdown
Speaker 3: Wire the NFL networks like, or the NFL's entire SB
Speaker 3: Nation blog. Of course, the Dolphins got Malik Washington in
Speaker 3: the sixth round, of course they did, he writes. Lance
Speaker 3: Zerline writes, Malik Washington to the Dolphins theft that's all
Speaker 3: he said. So those I think the thoughts are pretty
Speaker 3: well known out there about Malik Washington. Dante Colinelli, the
Speaker 3: guy that did the what position did he do for us?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I think he did linebackers. I'm forgetting
Speaker 3: he did one of our draft preview pause. He was
Speaker 3: really good, and I apologize for not remembering what position
Speaker 3: group he did, but he put together a thread and
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, it took me four plays to see.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Malik Washington basically ran all the routes the Dolphins run
Speaker 3: under Mike McDaniel. So that's part of where you get
Speaker 3: this idea behind McDaniel on the phone call, telling Malik,
Speaker 3: like if you're a pro and you come in here
Speaker 3: and you or on your stuff and you get it
Speaker 3: all taken care of, Like it's not just that you're
Speaker 3: going to make the team, Like you could be productive
Speaker 3: in your rookie season and really make a name for
Speaker 3: yourself as a six round draft pick right away.
Speaker 2: And this happens all the time.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm not gonna call him Puka Nakua because
Speaker 3: that would be insane. Puoka was and is one of
Speaker 3: the best receivers in the National Football League, but Day
Speaker 3: three receivers that sometimes wind up being steals. To me,
Speaker 3: it's Malik Washington. It's entire class, not for the Dolphins,
Speaker 3: in the entire class. I saw a coach on Twitter,
Speaker 3: O line coach Smith is his name, breaking down Patrick
Speaker 3: Paul tape. And look, this has been much bandied about.
Speaker 3: You can justify the selection, you can just hate it
Speaker 3: because the tape is bad. But it's kind of funny
Speaker 3: because all these you know, I've complained about this on
Speaker 3: the podcast so many times. There's a general consensus about
Speaker 3: the value of traits at quarterback versus playing the quarterback position,
Speaker 3: But I don't see that same energy transferred to other spots,
Speaker 3: like an offensive tackle. Like Drake May's tape this year sucked.
Speaker 2: It was bad.
Speaker 3: I would agree that there was a bit of a
Speaker 3: drop off in terms of his surrounding cast, and that
Speaker 3: matters to me, just like Josh Allen's final year at
Speaker 3: Wyoming where everyone left and they.
Speaker 2: Had a horrible, horrible football.
Speaker 3: Team around him, or Jordan Love at Utah State, same
Speaker 3: exact situation, all the top players ended up graduating, going
Speaker 3: to the draft or whatever it was, and he was
Speaker 3: left with a terrible, terrible football team. You can say
Speaker 3: the same thing happened to Drake May this year, but
Speaker 3: with the tape was bad. The tape was just flat
Speaker 3: out bad. Both Patrick Paul this year tape was bad.
Speaker 3: But you see those physical traits, the big rocket arm
Speaker 3: as far as a quarterback goes right, but his big
Speaker 3: athletic ability out in space, and that's what these clips
Speaker 3: showed was him leading these convoys out wide and hitting
Speaker 3: critical blocks in space to spring these long touchdowns for
Speaker 3: the Houston Cougars.
Speaker 2: The wrong go kooks.
Speaker 3: I mean, all I can think about is to Ron
Speaker 3: Armstead or Austin Jackson or the interior guys Connor Williams,
Speaker 3: and how frequently he was out on the perimeter, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, just a quick side note. McDaniel and
Speaker 3: Greer were asked about the possibility of Connor Williams returning
Speaker 3: to the team at some point, and right now, mynerstanding
Speaker 3: is his rehab is nowhere close. Like there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of actrophy and he has to reget back into football shape.
Speaker 3: But like that's probably a good thing for Miami because
Speaker 3: if he's out there in October and let's say Isaiah
Speaker 3: Win gets hurt again or whatever happens to your lineup,
Speaker 3: if someone goes out, where's the first place that Connor
Speaker 3: Williams should look to go to get a half of
Speaker 3: a season worth of play in and good quality tape
Speaker 3: to then go get the contract that he was always desiring.
Speaker 3: It's Miami and Mike McDaniel so like. And they talked
Speaker 3: about how there's been communication there with McDaniel and Connor
Speaker 3: Williams and Chris Career and Connor Williams. So I don't
Speaker 3: think the doors closed on that yet. And I would
Speaker 3: just remember that in the back of your mind when
Speaker 3: the offensive line looks a certain way or you're concerned
Speaker 3: about something like, there's probably contingencies in place, and one
Speaker 3: of those could be down the road Connor Williams. But
Speaker 3: all those guys aside from the sidebar there get out
Speaker 3: in space and make critical blocks down the field that
Speaker 3: sprung big plays for this Dolphins run game and pass game. Right. So,
Speaker 3: Nate Tice is another guy that I think very highly of,
Speaker 3: a guy that I've discussed his quarterback takes in terms
Speaker 3: of the rates versus you know, Polish at quarterback, and
Speaker 3: he actually is consistent in these takes. So Nate Ties
Speaker 3: from the Athletic and Yahoo of course, son of Mike Tice,
Speaker 3: said that he had Patrick Paul as his thirty sixth
Speaker 3: overall player and wrote this peer traits and demeanor you're
Speaker 3: betting on here. Not the cleanest tape, as both McDaniel
Speaker 3: and Greer have acknowledged, he has length, strength and shows
Speaker 3: the all important ability to recover even if he had
Speaker 3: to use it a lot, because he got beat a
Speaker 3: lot last year. And that's all true, but the recovery
Speaker 3: produced the PFF stats and the metrics that we talked about, right,
Speaker 3: didn't let his quarterback get sacked but once each of
Speaker 3: the last two years, didn't let his quarterback get hit,
Speaker 3: but all the whole season last year twice total and
Speaker 3: nine total pressures. That is not impacting your passing game
Speaker 3: rhythm from the left tackle position. And if he got
Speaker 3: beat and he's doing that, and the coaching staff feels
Speaker 3: that can coach him up, Like, I totally get the
Speaker 3: idea behind that decision. So maybe it doesn't happen right
Speaker 3: away for Patrick Paul, but I think there's a lot
Speaker 3: to be excited about there with what he could possibly
Speaker 3: become in his career.
Speaker 2: At some point.
Speaker 3: Greg Cosel did the podcast last spring her last winter,
Speaker 3: i should say, in Annapolis, and it has a bunch
Speaker 3: of you know, grinds tape and watches this stuff, and
Speaker 3: he said this about Chop Robinson in terms of explosiveness
Speaker 3: and twitchiness off the edge, He's probably the best edge
Speaker 3: in the entire class. There were so many plays where
Speaker 3: he would just beat the tackle and just wouldn't get
Speaker 3: a sack for whatever reason. So I keep seeing like,
Speaker 3: for instance, we'll talk about Keyon Coleman here in a second,
Speaker 3: but I saw Bills fans like coming after the Dolphins
Speaker 3: for saying, oh, Keon Coleman had four less sacks than
Speaker 3: than Chop Robinson did last year. Like that's that's casual,
Speaker 3: bro like watch tape because this reminds me so much
Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty two Dolphins, the injury issues in
Speaker 3: the secondary, and how when the secondary got healthy in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, what do we do but set a
Speaker 3: franchise record for the most sacks in Dolphins history. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, all right, let's go ahead and get to
Speaker 3: some of my own thoughts here on the podcast. I
Speaker 3: want to get to a few things I think, kind
Speaker 3: of borrow from the Peter King ten Things I think segment,
Speaker 3: although it's not ten or even five. Just a few
Speaker 3: thoughts here before we get into the favorite drafts Least
Speaker 3: Favorite draft Zax Eiler in Austin Jackson Media from Tuesday.
Speaker 3: But number one here is the Dolphins approach to positional drafting.
Speaker 3: This go around drafting two edge defenders, two wide receivers,
Speaker 3: and an offensive tackle. That's five of your seven picks
Speaker 3: at premium spots and the best way to stay competitive
Speaker 3: while you pay a top of the line, top of
Speaker 3: the market quarterback, which argue to a wall, that's what
Speaker 3: TUA is is to refresh your pipeline with rookie contract
Speaker 3: contributions at the most expensive positions. Wide receiver is top,
Speaker 3: then edge, then tackle. All of that stands quarterback obviously,
Speaker 3: and the Chiefs have done a great job of this recently,
Speaker 3: which actually, you know what now, I just thought of
Speaker 3: a pivot real quick. So number one, everything like Tyreek
Speaker 3: Hill said is accurate and true. Like shut up, don't
Speaker 3: go on Twitter all day and complain about the GM
Speaker 3: and then when someone says something back to you, you
Speaker 3: start calling foul. The guy that tweeted at the Dolphins like,
Speaker 3: is this professionals you want? Like shut up, dude, shut
Speaker 3: up nerd, come on, get out of here. That was
Speaker 3: my first thought. There my other thought on that topic,
Speaker 3: or maybe not that topic per se. But I keep
Speaker 3: seeing like win a playoff game, haven't done enough to
Speaker 3: have success, and like, I get it that ultimately the
Speaker 3: result is not what you want to be. And I'm
Speaker 3: with you, guys, nobody wants to see this team win
Speaker 3: playoff games more than I do. But I just think
Speaker 3: that there's a more of a reality than some people
Speaker 3: realize exist. Like I was thinking about this watching the
Speaker 3: Heat game on Monday, Like it was three and a
Speaker 3: half weeks ago. The Heat were in Philadelphia with a
Speaker 3: lead with a minute ago. Jimmy was healthy, Rogier was healthy,
Speaker 3: and looked like they were gonna win that game and
Speaker 3: then put themselves in position to go win a couple
Speaker 3: more games to earn the sixth seed and travel till
Speaker 3: Milwaukee or Cleveland, Orlando wherever it could have been in
Speaker 3: the first round. Instead, in the matter of three weeks,
Speaker 3: they lost that game. They blew it with some bad
Speaker 3: plays late. They lost the Indiana game. They lose Jimmy
Speaker 3: and Terry Rogier over the course of the three and
Speaker 3: a half weeks to injuries, and now they go into
Speaker 3: a series against Boston where they have no chance.
Speaker 2: Like a season can be derailed so so quickly.
Speaker 3: It's why you're promised nothing and why even Brian Floor
Speaker 3: has always said like, we wouldn't want done anything yet
Speaker 3: like that's always accurate until you actually get to the
Speaker 3: mountain top. And I'm just thinking about how easily it
Speaker 3: is for a season to go off the rails like
Speaker 3: that due to injuries. And we saw the last two
Speaker 3: years to getting hurt and not playing in the playoff game.
Speaker 3: And don't tell me about Scolar Thompson scoring thirty one points.
Speaker 3: We had no drives over forty yards that day. We
Speaker 3: turned over the Josh Allen the Bills offense and score
Speaker 3: points because of that. And last year, the entire edge
Speaker 3: group goes down with injuries, the offense is banged up
Speaker 3: for the entire month of December. Things can go wrong
Speaker 3: that you just have no control over. And to hold
Speaker 3: the playoff wins things against him, like, yeah, we lost
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty against Buffalo, we lost in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: one against the Titans. We lost without a Buffalo again
Speaker 3: in the playoffs two years ago, and then last year
Speaker 3: you lost to the greatest quarterback of all time, the
Speaker 3: three out of five season defending world champions in twenty
Speaker 3: negative twenty five degree weather. Like, there are contexts, There
Speaker 3: is context to all of this stuff. It can't just
Speaker 3: be as basic as hasn't won a playoff game. That's
Speaker 3: want to get that off my chest. It's been bothering me.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 3: Now again the end result, gotta find a way to
Speaker 3: win those those games that talked about him losing, have
Speaker 3: to find a way to play better, no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: But to like think that you have to discard the quarterback,
Speaker 3: tear down the rebuild the GM is awful. All of
Speaker 3: that is hyperbolic. Sorry, off of one general thought. That's
Speaker 3: just misplaced and misinformed. That's kind of how I feel
Speaker 3: about that. And good for Ty representing it, for the
Speaker 3: GM and the team and the fans, because like, this
Speaker 3: team's won a lot of games, You've had a lot
Speaker 3: of fun times because of this team the last four years. Again,
Speaker 3: end result hasn't been there, but chill the f out
Speaker 3: is my whole point. Let's actually go ahead and take
Speaker 3: our first break rate there and come back and redo
Speaker 3: these points I have. That's all next Draft Time podcast,
Speaker 3: your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation.
Speaker 3: So I got into my first point here my takeaways
Speaker 3: from the draft for the Miami Dolphins Peter King ten
Speaker 3: things I think style, but only a few things. And
Speaker 3: let's go ahead and repeat number one there. So the
Speaker 3: Dolphins drafted two edges, two receivers, and an offensive tackle.
Speaker 3: That is five of seven premium spots. And I believe
Speaker 3: the best way to stay competitive while you pay your
Speaker 3: top of the market, top of the line quarterback is
Speaker 3: to refresh your pipeline with rookie contract contributions. And typically
Speaker 3: you want to do that at the most expensive positions
Speaker 3: because aside from quarterback, receiver, edge and tackle are the
Speaker 3: top three in that category. And the reason I thought
Speaker 3: about the Tyreek aside there was because I compared them
Speaker 3: to the or I compared this to the Chiefs, who
Speaker 3: did a great job of this very recently as they
Speaker 3: transitioned to the adjustment of paying their top of the
Speaker 3: line quarterback and Mahomes is a lot better than two.
Speaker 3: I will go ahead and with that right now. I
Speaker 3: think everyone agrees with that, and they hit on those quarterbacks. Conversely,
Speaker 3: we've seen the Buffalo Bills. I wouldn't say struggle because
Speaker 3: they're still in the playoffs every year. They get to
Speaker 3: the second round last year, although again side point, the
Speaker 3: playoff matchups are what dictated who won playoff games last year.
Speaker 3: Buffalo is not beating KC and Miami would have beat Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: Miami would beat Houston. I think Miami would have beat Cleveland.
Speaker 3: I think Mima would have even beat Houston last year
Speaker 3: because I know the hot team right now, but that
Speaker 3: was not a good football team last year. They were
Speaker 3: nine and eight and had to win because of a
Speaker 3: drop pass against the Colts and the final minute of
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 2: I digress.
Speaker 3: This is all side point, but anyway, Buffalo, yes, I
Speaker 3: think their roster has deteriorated some. I think they have
Speaker 3: had some bad management in terms of dead cap and
Speaker 3: what they've had to do to get rid of to
Speaker 3: Von Diggs, and the roster has taken a hit as
Speaker 3: a result of that. So while they haven't struggled, I
Speaker 3: think that right now when you take a look at
Speaker 3: where they are compared to the Chiefs in terms of perception,
Speaker 3: and not even just in playoff result, but how they're
Speaker 3: viewed in terms of the Super Bowl contention, like they're
Speaker 3: nowhere close. And it's because they haven't done a good
Speaker 3: job of drafting and filling that pipeline last few years.
Speaker 3: It's been some rough draft classes. Outside of like Dalton
Speaker 3: King Kaid and a couple of picks here and there,
Speaker 3: it's just not been good. And that's why they're struggling
Speaker 3: right now to find twenty two players to play for
Speaker 3: them every single Sunday. But back to k C, I
Speaker 3: mean Trent McDuffie, all star right, an all Pro at
Speaker 3: a premium spot on a rookie contract. George Carl Loftis
Speaker 3: is not an all Star yet, but he's headed that way.
Speaker 3: He's on a rookie deal at a premium spot. Jalen
Speaker 3: Watson not an all star, but he's a premium spot
Speaker 3: and a good star for them on a seventh round contract.
Speaker 3: Like that is, you can't always have all be all stars.
Speaker 3: But if Malik Washington becomes a six hundred snap player
Speaker 3: in the sixth round who catches seventy balls a year
Speaker 3: for you for one thousand yards. Be pretty damn valuable
Speaker 3: right to have that receiver on that sixth round rookie contract.
Speaker 3: That's kind of Jaalen Watson's role there. Brian Cook was
Speaker 3: in that same class, not a premium spot at safety,
Speaker 3: but that's a cheap starter who really moves the needle
Speaker 3: and kind of helps Steve Spagnolo's defense do what it does. Like.
Speaker 3: He's kind of a premium guy in that defense, although
Speaker 3: not compensated by a premium contract because one he's a rookie,
Speaker 3: but two he's also a safety, so you get it
Speaker 3: right now. They will attempt the Chiefs to do the
Speaker 3: exact same thing with Xavier Worthy. So if we can
Speaker 3: come out of this draft between Chop and Kamara, between
Speaker 3: the two Washingtons on day three, say we get a
Speaker 3: starter edge and a starter wide receiver out of this
Speaker 3: and Jalen Wright becomes what it looks like he can
Speaker 3: become and be the Brian Cook of the draft, so
Speaker 3: to speak, And say Patrick Paul finds a way to
Speaker 3: hit that development in a couple of years and becomes
Speaker 3: our next Austin Jackson, maybe a year or two earlier
Speaker 3: hopefully and we come out of this with a tackle,
Speaker 3: an edge, a wide out, and a back. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's how you sustain success. That's how you can say
Speaker 3: goodbye to other players and get comp picks back in
Speaker 3: return and keep that pipeline flowing. That's how you keep
Speaker 3: your books open and available to go out and get
Speaker 3: a Kyle Fuller, to go out and get a Shaq
Speaker 3: Barrett when you need those guys. And it's how you
Speaker 3: compete when you have a top notch quarterback and the
Speaker 3: contract requisite to get that quarterback and a pipeline of
Speaker 3: good players. And I think there's a good chance that
Speaker 3: is what the Dolphins have right now. My second thought,
Speaker 3: my second takeaway from this draft, let's go ahead and
Speaker 3: pull up this tweet that I'm trying to access right
Speaker 3: now from myself. There it is so I talked about
Speaker 3: this on Twitter after drafting Patrick Paul, and I think
Speaker 3: there's an interesting trend with offensive offensive line offensive line
Speaker 3: development in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I talked about it on the podcast, But.
Speaker 3: The way the college game the podcast, I mean, this
Speaker 3: has been for years now, but how the college game
Speaker 3: has evolved, and I think it makes the transition to
Speaker 3: the pros a lot tougher, especially for the offensive lineman
Speaker 3: in air raid offense. Is now to put a wet
Speaker 3: blanket on this to start. Great way to do your argument, Travis.
Speaker 3: We've seen air raid tackles not work out. A good
Speaker 3: example for me is Washington State's Andre Dillard, who has
Speaker 3: been awful. He's been an awful proverabol Philly and the Titans,
Speaker 3: and now he's on his third team and he probably
Speaker 3: never gonna start a game again in the National Football League.
Speaker 3: But sometimes it doesn't work out. But those air raid
Speaker 3: offensive attacks, like those forty five degree sets, no, it's
Speaker 3: all vertical sets. There's no like, there's no translation to
Speaker 3: the National Football League, and they don't reflect what you
Speaker 3: see in the NFL, and the run schemes can largely
Speaker 3: be RPO based and just not reflective of what guys
Speaker 3: are going to do in the pros. There's an emphasis
Speaker 3: for these guys, and you can talk to a college
Speaker 3: coach about this. Get up, get back to the line
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, and let's go get to the next play.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about finishing your block. And that's kind of
Speaker 3: where all these guys struggle to stay on blocks, to
Speaker 3: stay attached to stay finishing, and some of these guys
Speaker 3: that struggle early wind up having their breakouts in year
Speaker 3: two or year three or year four, like Austin Jackson.
Speaker 3: But it's not just him. It's Andrew Thomas in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: who was dreadful as a rookie, like, uh oh, we
Speaker 3: did that at the fourth pick, and all these guys
Speaker 3: got picked beyond that, like a Tristan Wurfs, like a
Speaker 3: Jeddrick Wills, and all of a sudden, Wills is struggling,
Speaker 3: and Andrew Thomas is like a franchise left tackle. All Pro
Speaker 3: Player twenty twenty one, Christian Darisol had a dreadful start
Speaker 3: to his career, and now I think he might be
Speaker 3: a top three or four left tackle in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two's class was full of first rounders. Evan
Speaker 3: Neil's been garbage. Iike Ikwanu has been not good, Zion Johnson,
Speaker 3: Kenyan Green inside have not been good. Trevor Penning can't
Speaker 3: even get on the field. But Charles Cross and Tyler
Speaker 3: Smith have been very good. But when you look at
Speaker 3: those breakouts, Charles Cross and Tyler Smith played up billion
Speaker 3: snaps in college, it's usually after a couple thousand snaps,
Speaker 3: which brings me back to Patrick Paul, who played just
Speaker 3: under three thousand snaps at Houston, and his best work
Speaker 3: was by far twenty twenty three when he exceeded two
Speaker 3: thousand snaps, right, and he reworked a lot of his technique, sorry,
Speaker 3: with his stance and his posture and how he fires
Speaker 3: off the football. I think it's flawed to look at
Speaker 3: offensive lines technique in a system that doesn't emphasize it
Speaker 3: and then hold it against the player, especially when a
Speaker 3: franchise has Mike McDaniel, Frank Smith, and Butcher Berry on staff,
Speaker 3: all in agreement that it's correctable. It's a triumvirent of
Speaker 3: offensive line knowledge right there. In fact, let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and play some sound here from Austin Jackson who talked
Speaker 3: about the benefit of coming back to the same offense
Speaker 3: or the same coaching staff. I should say from year
Speaker 3: ones year two, Austin has not had the same offensive
Speaker 3: line coaching back to back years. And then we'll also
Speaker 3: go ahead and play some more audio. Let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and play this one first. Here Austin Jackson on the
Speaker 3: benefit of having the same coach back to back years.
Speaker 5: We returned a lot of guys from last year, including
Speaker 5: our position coach, two of our position coaches. In terms
Speaker 5: of football, I think that's really helpful for us moving
Speaker 5: forward because we kind of have a standard already set,
Speaker 5: so there's some things we can improve on versus starting
Speaker 5: back to day one completely. So I think we have
Speaker 5: a good foundation going forward, and I think when we
Speaker 5: get to beating everybody everybody knew at least, we'll transition.
Speaker 3: Just fin I think that's great stuff there from Austin.
Speaker 3: Jackson will play some more audio from him at the
Speaker 3: end of the show, but I want to go ahead
Speaker 3: and play this because I followed up that question and
Speaker 3: thought like, okay, well it's the same coach. And we
Speaker 3: heard both Chris and Mike talk about where Patrick Paul's
Speaker 3: value can be down the road. What is it about
Speaker 3: butch Berry that makes you confident from your experience working
Speaker 3: with this guy, that should make Dolphins fans confident that
Speaker 3: he can be the one that can harness Patrick Paul
Speaker 3: and get all that stuff out of him. Let's go
Speaker 3: back to Austin on what makes butcher Berry such a
Speaker 3: stud He.
Speaker 5: Was very forward in working with each and every individual
Speaker 5: in the room one by one. He would do things like,
Speaker 5: you know, call guys one on one after the meeting,
Speaker 5: which is something that hasn't happened since college, if that
Speaker 5: makes sense. You know, that's just something coaches don't really
Speaker 5: spend a lot of time with at this level in
Speaker 5: my experience, But he's one of those guys that can
Speaker 5: do that because he's so serious about his work. So
Speaker 5: that's why he can ask a lot of us and
Speaker 5: we can see what exactly he wants. Plays a big
Speaker 5: role in it. And also just I think his personality.
Speaker 5: You know, he's very passionate for the game. I think
Speaker 5: that makes it easy for players to feed into and
Speaker 5: understand where he's coming from. Yeah, I think he has
Speaker 5: all the tools to help anybody.
Speaker 3: My second thing here, speaking of Paul, I really like
Speaker 3: the way the Dolphins. This is going back to the
Speaker 3: takeaways from the draft. I like the way the Dolphins
Speaker 3: have given themselves development shots on the offensive line with
Speaker 3: Keon Smith, with Ryan Hayes, with Bayron Mattos, the seventeenth
Speaker 3: practice squad spot for an International Pathway Program player that
Speaker 3: was signed.
Speaker 2: I forget where he's from.
Speaker 3: My apologies there, but I just think they've got some
Speaker 3: real purpose here from your practice squad slash the back
Speaker 3: part of the offensive line roster in terms of we
Speaker 3: have guys that can step in and play, but we're
Speaker 3: also trying to cultivate future players in the meantime. And
Speaker 3: that experience coincides with my Twitter thread the other day
Speaker 3: that I just read to you guys about breakout age
Speaker 3: for offensive line and how development in college isn't happening
Speaker 3: nearly at the same rate at once was so while
Speaker 3: on paper right now the offensive line might not be
Speaker 3: what you want to be. I can go back to
Speaker 3: several Niners teams with McDaniel there, with Shanahan there, when
Speaker 3: the offensive line on paper didn't look great but ultimately
Speaker 3: played good because they know how to coach up certain
Speaker 3: guys and they have this pipeline of young, unknown guys.
Speaker 3: They continue to fold, They continue to roll out there
Speaker 3: and get production from Number three. Is the comp pick
Speaker 3: management and what they've done with the assets to this,
Speaker 3: I wrote, I wrote asses on my notes, that's funny.
Speaker 3: So Rob Hunt was the thirty ninth pick in the
Speaker 3: draft right in twenty twenty. Miami is projected to get
Speaker 3: back the ninety ninth pick four years down the road
Speaker 3: and they moved down sixty spots and got sixty plus
Speaker 3: games of a plus starter.
Speaker 2: I think that's really good business.
Speaker 3: Like I was, I heard someone talk about how there's
Speaker 3: no interest rate on draft picks a year over year,
Speaker 3: so a four this year is not worth a three
Speaker 3: next year, And I agree with that. And if you're
Speaker 3: just gonna say that, that means that a three in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four is no different than a three and
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, which you know, sixty picks worth of draft
Speaker 3: slotting is the difference there. But in the meantime, you
Speaker 3: had four years of really good guard play with Robert Hunt.
Speaker 3: We won't know the impact of that pick or how
Speaker 3: it shakes out until the pick is eventually made next year.
Speaker 3: And comp picks are tied to playing time, but that
Speaker 3: tends to only affect the lower numbers or the lower
Speaker 3: compicks from the equation. So, for example, Wilkins and Hunts
Speaker 3: contracts are assigned the number called the final numerical value.
Speaker 3: The third round picks are the top ninety fifth percent
Speaker 3: tile of free agent contracts sign which is where both
Speaker 3: Hunt and Wilkins came in, and those are actually protected.
Speaker 3: In fact, Chris Weer mentioned this, saying, you can't use
Speaker 3: the compensatory picks until this time next year, which I
Speaker 3: would assume every reporter would know that, but that's not
Speaker 3: the case. But the ones that we anticipate are all protected.
Speaker 3: But it gave us some flexibility to move around, as
Speaker 3: we talked about us being active and trying to move
Speaker 3: up in the draft previously, and then with that Jalen
Speaker 3: Wright and gosh, you look at the fit here for
Speaker 3: the running back from Tennessee. I mean, first, the flexibility
Speaker 3: just pops off the page at you. We didn't have
Speaker 3: to sit, just sit and wait for those picks to
Speaker 3: cash in twenty twenty five. By doing this, you're able
Speaker 3: to go get them right now. So much talk about
Speaker 3: wanting to win right now, right this window that I
Speaker 3: hear is closing from everybody, that's not actually true. But
Speaker 3: you went out and you sacrifice a pick next year
Speaker 3: to get a guy and now to get him in
Speaker 3: your system, to get him playing time, to get him
Speaker 3: experienced in the NFL without giving up capital this year.
Speaker 3: And you guys know this, you'd heard of all draft cycle.
Speaker 3: I harped on part of the value of allowing those
Speaker 3: players hunt and Wilkins to leave was that those picks
Speaker 3: are protected as third round value and the flexibility and
Speaker 3: the options that gave you this offseason and this season.
Speaker 3: And then for right, I mean, Tennessee's offense ran a
Speaker 3: lot of jet sweep with right being the executing lead
Speaker 3: block role from the backfield alignment, and we saw Chris
Speaker 3: Brooks do some of that this past year. And that's
Speaker 3: on top of the zone running ability, which also pairs
Speaker 3: with the physicality to bang behind a manner gap scheme
Speaker 3: if you want to do that.
Speaker 2: But what really pops out to me is.
Speaker 3: The way that he reads his blocks and can feel
Speaker 3: and get to different gaps with a quick jump cut.
Speaker 3: Let's say your track is the B gap, which is
Speaker 3: the gap between the guard and the tackle, but the
Speaker 3: three technique who's playing that gap on defense beats your
Speaker 3: guard and gets instant penetration. Jalen Wright can hop out
Speaker 3: of the gap or bend it back into the A
Speaker 3: gap and then accelerate through for a big run and
Speaker 3: you won't bring him down or even slow him down
Speaker 3: with a glancing blow. With a glancing arm tackle just
Speaker 3: doesn't happen. Go back and watch a lot of our
Speaker 3: explosive runs, and I would say the majority of those
Speaker 3: at least over half our bend back runs. And then
Speaker 3: just to put a bow on all this, funny enough
Speaker 3: because I came across the video of Jalen doing footwork
Speaker 3: drills and there's another person in that video who I'm like,
Speaker 3: who is this guy? Then you finally get a clear
Speaker 3: shot of it in his face and it's Devon a
Speaker 3: chan like this backfield has a crazy skill group.
Speaker 2: It's truly insane.
Speaker 3: You guys know my thoughts on the two Washington's I
Speaker 3: think right is an immediate fit adding to what you
Speaker 3: already had. I don't like to wish the summer away,
Speaker 3: but how many months until August? Man, let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and take our last break right there? Come back on
Speaker 3: the other side, talk about my other thoughts on the draft,
Speaker 3: who who I thought had the best and worst drafts?
Speaker 3: And will also go ahead and hear from more of
Speaker 3: Zack Steeler and Robert and Robert Hunt and Austin Jackson
Speaker 3: to all that. Next Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,
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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and save the UDF stuff until Friday,
Speaker 3: when we have players in here. There's a list of guys.
Speaker 3: Let's just actually go ahead and rifle them off here.
Speaker 3: UTEP quarterback Gavin Hardison, Louisville cornerback Storm Duck, UCLA defensive
Speaker 3: lineman Grayson Murphy, FAU receiver Jakwan Burton. Ohio State guard
Speaker 3: Matthew Jones is the guy that I want to take
Speaker 3: the best look at here. Obviously, the IPP player Bayn Mattos,
Speaker 3: UTEP center Andrew Mayer is interesting as well. UCLA edge
Speaker 3: or sorry, TCU safety Mac Perry and Syracuse safety Isaiah
Speaker 3: Johnson are a couple of names there that are are reportedly
Speaker 3: signed to the Miami Dolphins. We'll come back and check
Speaker 3: on those guys here in just a moment down the road.
Speaker 3: My third thought from the draft will go ahead and
Speaker 3: get out. Here is this third, fourth, fifth, I forgot
Speaker 3: number it is is this. I love the Dolphins draft,
Speaker 3: but here is how I thought it could have been better. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you like that if you could have leap frog Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: and if you could have done that by exchanging your
Speaker 3: second round pick number fifty five overall for pick was
Speaker 3: it one to twenty where Jalen Wright was taken So
Speaker 3: if you go back seventy or so spots or sixty
Speaker 3: five spots, if you could have done that and leap
Speaker 3: frog Pittsburgh and drafted Troy Fatanu, how would you have
Speaker 3: felt about that? You could have saved your third round
Speaker 3: pick next year, gotten Fatanu in exchange for Chop and Paul,
Speaker 3: so Fatanu and the third round pick next year for
Speaker 3: Chopp and Paul. That's one way I thought the draft
Speaker 3: could have been better, But other than that, I absolutely
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 2: Some other draft thoughts here.
Speaker 3: The Vikings offered eleven twenty three and their two thousand
Speaker 3: and five first round pick in exchange for the third pick,
Speaker 3: for some midund and some mid round selections. I also
Speaker 3: found the interesting that Elliott Wolf the Patriots GM said
Speaker 3: that at their Night one press or that part of
Speaker 3: the decision to stick and pick Drake May was the
Speaker 3: day Ball from the Giants and O'Connell from the Vikings
Speaker 3: were both interested in coming up and trading for that player.
Speaker 3: So like, you're not trusting your own scouting staff, And
Speaker 3: the Vikings tried all that work to get up there
Speaker 3: and just didn't do it and then took a quarterback
Speaker 3: they felt worse about you guys complained about our GM, Like,
Speaker 3: look around the league, what teams other teams do man
Speaker 3: AFC Eastwise, I thought the Patriots had a fantastic draft
Speaker 3: Jaleen Polk and who's the other receiver they got, Javon Baker.
Speaker 3: I loved those picks for them, so not thrilled about that.
Speaker 3: But I think Drake May had a lot of work
Speaker 3: to do. I absolutely hated Keon Coleman for Buffalo. More
Speaker 3: on that in a second. I do think some just
Speaker 3: other draft nuggets here. Odell Beckham. We've heard some rumblings
Speaker 3: about his potential return down to the Miami after that
Speaker 3: visit and signing here. I think it would be great
Speaker 3: for us. That's the last kind of move for the
Speaker 3: skill pieces I want to see happen. And also you
Speaker 3: would protect the Chargers or Bills, two of your competitors
Speaker 3: in the AFC, from going and getting a piece they
Speaker 3: desperately need. Because Beckham's kind of last guy out there
Speaker 3: that can play all over the deformation as a receiver,
Speaker 3: and Buffalo needs help and the Chargers need help. I
Speaker 3: would sign Beckham, I would sign Greg Van Rotten to
Speaker 3: play guard, and I would sign Quandrey Dicks and I'd
Speaker 3: go win a championship, but that's just me. Or just
Speaker 3: consider Connor Williams a dolphin when he's healthy. Makes sense, Right,
Speaker 3: He's not getting paid this year, and what better system
Speaker 3: for him to show he's healthy and go get paid
Speaker 3: next year. It would also maybe generate a compick if
Speaker 3: he did that. So that's kind of some of my
Speaker 3: thoughts and how the Dolphins can go from here. We'll
Speaker 3: get more into that on the Friday episode. My favorite
Speaker 3: drafts Pittsburgh took every guy I wanted right in front
Speaker 3: of us. If you're a regular listener of the Draft
Speaker 3: Time draft content, they sniped guys. I loved it just
Speaker 3: about every spot. Fatanu was my OT one. Roman Wilson's
Speaker 3: one of the first guys I talked about here. The
Speaker 3: Michigan receiver Peyton Wilson was my off ball linebacker one.
Speaker 3: Zach Fraser I thought was a high second round grade
Speaker 3: and my center three prospect behind two guys they loved.
Speaker 3: Then Mason McCormick in late rounds is my offensive line
Speaker 3: kind of gem there, great class, I think, but who
Speaker 3: really knows. I thought Arizona killed it with both Marv
Speaker 3: and Darius Robinson in round one with a trade back
Speaker 3: as well. Also got Trey Benson to help out Kyler
Speaker 3: Murrays and speed in that backfield.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs.
Speaker 3: I think Worthy is perfect for them, and then Sue
Speaker 3: Matia has a chance to be a starting tackle for them.
Speaker 3: And Jayden Hicks was my safety one at picked one
Speaker 3: thirty three.
Speaker 2: The Rams.
Speaker 3: I don't love Braden Fisk, but versus fiske Korum Kinchins
Speaker 3: and then Brendan Jackson from Washington State. It's a really
Speaker 3: good class. My least favorites the Falcons and the Pennex discussion.
Speaker 3: And I actually don't mind like really trying to go
Speaker 3: after the quarterback to get that position to resolve. But
Speaker 3: it just his injury history, his age. I don't think
Speaker 3: he was worth a top ten pick. Just interesting choice there.
Speaker 3: And then Ruke o' rororow I picked thirty five was
Speaker 3: way too high. I did like Trice and Dorless when
Speaker 3: they got them, but I just think you really put
Speaker 3: yourself a tough spot at quarterback and use the most
Speaker 3: valuable resource you possibly could use to do that. I
Speaker 3: mentioned Buffalo and Keyon Coleman like it's Kelvin Benjamin, Dude,
Speaker 3: that's cool. But then they go with the safety defensive
Speaker 3: tackle on running back of their next picks, in fact,
Speaker 3: their first premium position pick after getting it wrong at
Speaker 3: thirty three. For my money and giving the Chiefs a
Speaker 3: perfect receiro for their system, like what are you doing?
Speaker 3: That's your biggest competition and use gave them what they wanted.
Speaker 3: Why they don't get a premium spot until pick one
Speaker 3: to sixty eight in the fifth round. I like Bishop
Speaker 3: and Ray Davis and Dwayne Carter. I like Bishop, I
Speaker 3: should say, but Ray Davis and Duwayne Carter after Coleman
Speaker 3: whoops the Panthers. I loved Laget there, but trading up
Speaker 3: for running back Trevin Wallas at seventy two Davian Sanders,
Speaker 3: I don't know about his game. The Broncos quarterback six
Speaker 3: at picked twelve Troy Franklin. I did, like Abrams, drain
Speaker 3: the Vikings to get Dallas Turner and this two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty second pick in the draft, two second round picks,
Speaker 3: a third round pick, a fourth round pick, and two
Speaker 3: fifth round picks. Again, if you think RGM doesn't know
Speaker 3: what he's doing, go look at some of the teams
Speaker 3: in the league. It's not even close. A couple of
Speaker 3: interesting trends here. The Eagles basically draft off the consensus
Speaker 3: big board, which I talked about earlier. It is probably
Speaker 3: not a bad way to do it. And also the
Speaker 3: second round quarterback has officially died. No second round quarterbacks
Speaker 3: again this year. Nobody wants to go in that range
Speaker 3: to their first round for the fifth year option or
Speaker 3: wait until late to get your backup quarterback. The second
Speaker 3: round quarterback has since ceased to exist, So there you go.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and finished with a couple of soundbites
Speaker 3: here from Austin Jackson and Zach Seeler. And I just
Speaker 3: cannot get enough of how good Austin Jackson is at
Speaker 3: press conferences. And we haven't heard from him in a
Speaker 3: while now, but it almost seems like he was always
Speaker 3: good at explaining technique and fundamentals and the nuances of
Speaker 3: the position. But now that he has like the confidence
Speaker 3: of a proven veteran who's on a second contract and
Speaker 3: has a bunch of good tape out there, like it
Speaker 3: somehow got even better. And I apologize for the quick
Speaker 3: audio change here. I went to different microphone to make
Speaker 3: this portion of the podcast easier. Don't need to bore
Speaker 3: you with that stuff, guys, But I do have different
Speaker 3: levels of audio and expectations for myself, and this one's
Speaker 3: not going to meet it right here, but it's the
Speaker 3: only way I.
Speaker 2: Can get this podcast finished up.
Speaker 3: So let's go ahead and hear from Austin Jackson on
Speaker 3: what this offseason looks like after his breakout season, the
Speaker 3: vision for himself, and what goes into that. Again, this
Speaker 3: dude gives great answers after great answers.
Speaker 5: My vision for myself this off season is to be
Speaker 5: more consistent and how I want my technique to look.
Speaker 5: This was my first full year playing in this system
Speaker 5: last year, so now that I have more of a
Speaker 5: real baseline, I feel like I can improve a lot
Speaker 5: from there. So I watched every game and I recollect,
Speaker 5: you know, what I was thinking in those games. So
Speaker 5: I think from there I can make all my technique
Speaker 5: as consistent as I wanted to look. It's a combination
Speaker 5: of a film, recognizing it on film, and then consciously
Speaker 5: improving the muscle memory on the field. So it's a
Speaker 5: combination of both.
Speaker 3: And then I thought Zach Steeler was also fantastic in
Speaker 3: his Tuesday, April thirtieth media availability first here he was asked,
Speaker 3: do you prefer one gapping or two gapping? These are
Speaker 3: the kind of questions I want to hear about. Let's
Speaker 3: go ahead and hear from Zach on what he prefers
Speaker 3: and what the difference is, in his opinion.
Speaker 4: Depends, I like both. It depends on the style of
Speaker 4: offense we're going against, and it depends on the players
Speaker 4: we're going against. It's I mean, it's I think one
Speaker 4: thing that we always pride ourselves on is being multiple here.
Speaker 4: So if I can set the edge and play a
Speaker 4: really good one gap, or if I can kind of
Speaker 4: react attack and play both A and B gap, it's
Speaker 4: both a valuable asset either way.
Speaker 3: He talks a lot about leadership and how every person
Speaker 3: that knows the technique can be a leader on that
Speaker 3: defensive line, whether you play a bunch or not. I
Speaker 3: thought that was a really insightful insight for lack of
Speaker 3: our term, from Zach Sealer.
Speaker 2: One more sound bite here.
Speaker 3: I asked, Zach, what's your process for learning how to
Speaker 3: execute rush games with a bunch of new guys, Because
Speaker 3: the continuity between you and Christian and two guys that
Speaker 3: never left the damn field together had to have been
Speaker 3: kind of second nature. What's your approach trying to get
Speaker 3: that get to that level again with a bunch of
Speaker 3: new guys in that room.
Speaker 2: Here is Zach Sealer.
Speaker 4: It's a matter of kind of what I'll hit on
Speaker 4: is learning the new players. Hey, how is he liked
Speaker 4: to rush? What's he liked to do? Is you a
Speaker 4: twitchy guy, a power guy? Whatever? And learning how to
Speaker 4: play off each other and then adapting to that. And
Speaker 4: that's that's what it is. I mean, that's it's the
Speaker 4: NFL players go places. It's it's awesome to see him
Speaker 4: go and get paid where he's at. All the blessings
Speaker 4: to him, love him. I just hope that he can
Speaker 4: strive out and know he'll kill it out there. But
Speaker 4: now it's getting right over here in Miami.
Speaker 3: All right, that's gonna be my time on this edition
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