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Speaker 1: dot com. How much should a battery be? You you wonder?

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Speaker 1: come down to six fifty, and then all of a

430
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: sudden it would creep up six fifty seven hundred seven

431
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: fifty eight hundred six fifty seven hundred seven fifty, eight

432
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: hundred six fifty and it would float and eventually, over

433
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: time it got worse that it almost did a thousand

434
00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: RPM on this progressive sweep up and down, ran codes

435
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: on it, looked at everything I could look at. Everything

436
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: looked normal, no faults. Finally, maybe out of just curiosity

437
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: and maybe part desperation, I took the air intake ducked off.

438
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: It was at a mass airflow car and I gently

439
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: put my finger on the throttle plate and held it there.

440
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: Car idle perfect inside the throttle plate. On this fusion

441
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: there's a spring that helps maintain kind of like the

442
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: throttle return spring on carbureted cars from years ago. And

443
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: I just said to myself, I wonder if the spring

444
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: got soft. I wonder if the spring is out of calibration.

445
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 1: You know, I put a throttle body on that car

446
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: and it was fixed. And I guess my point is

447
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: it was a mechanical problem that the computer didn't have

448
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: the ability to report on and see. And you know,

449
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: if you've got a car that's we'll drag you down

450
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: the road at thirty miles an hour for eight blocks,

451
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: that's broken, and somebody's gotta somebody's gotta sit down and

452
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: look at some of the data and not just hope

453
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: for codes and analyze this and you know, listen, it

454
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: could be grounds, It could be a throttle body issue.

455
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: It could be Listen, it could be a bad PCM,

456
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: a computer that's that's that's just baffled and confused. I'm

457
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: really kind of surprised that GM tech Line really said Nope,

458
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: we don't have a clue. I don't. I don't think

459
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: in all my years of it, I don't think I've

460
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: ever heard of man. Listen, there's an awful lot of

461
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: ego that goes into this business, Gary, and I don't

462
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: know too many guys on a tech line that are

463
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and say Nope, haven't got a clue.

464
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: They'd be probably telling you the same thing I'm telling you,

465
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: because I've called tech lines, I've worked with tech lines,

466
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: and these are some of the things they've told they've

467
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: told and taught me over the years. So I would

468
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: go back to that dealership and say, Okay, if it

469
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: was yours, how would you fix it? Are you able

470
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: to analyze the data more than just waiting for the

471
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: magic code to fall out of the box and say

472
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: here's the fault. Somebody's got to try something. Uh, And

473
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: it might be another two thousand four Silverado comes in

474
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: and they swave at PCM. Unfortunately, that might be what

475
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: it takes just to see the end result. You might

476
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: have that weird problem. All right, sir, All right, um,

477
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: now you said ground one or three or ground right,

478
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: both at the back of both at the back of

479
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: the engine, correct, Okay, And then check the fuel trim.

480
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I would look at fuel trims to see what fuel

481
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: trims are. Um. Even driving a while, Gary, I can

482
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: tell by the sound of your voice, we're back in

483
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: the days of carburetors. Okay, and and and if the

484
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: choke was on it ran rich and you you know,

485
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: if if you had an emissions analyzer hooked up to it,

486
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: it was always high hydrocarbons, high emissions. Same idea. We

487
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: can look at we can look at the electronic measurement

488
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: of fuel trim to see what the computer is reporting

489
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: and maybe make a decision from there. If that computer

490
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: is showing a real lean condition, I'd be thinking about

491
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: I'd be thinking about a vacuum leak somewhere, maybe intake

492
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: manifold gaskets or something else. But to just sit there

493
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: and throw your hands up in the air and say,

494
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: now there's nothing wrong with it. I can't I can't

495
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: figure it out until the computer sets a code that

496
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: guy doesn't want to work for a living. All right,

497
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: how do you check that? Feel cham? Does it come

498
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: from the It'll come from the computer. It'll it'll show

499
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: up on a scan tool, and it's a it's a reading.

500
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: It's a measurement reading from the PCM from the main

501
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: engine computer. All right, sir, if you have any questions,

502
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: shoot me an email. You've got my email address, and

503
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: I'll do my best to give you what information I can.

504
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: Good luck to you, kiddo zero zero. The car doctor

505
00:28:51,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: is coming back right after this. Don't go away, Welcome back.

506
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: Why don't they need of the car doctor. Let's go

507
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: over and talk to Lance Queens, New York with some

508
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: comments on repairing cars. Lance, Welcome to the car Doctor. Sure,

509
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: how can I help? Oh, you were talking a couple

510
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: of weeks ago about um, how the industry is changing

511
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: as far as letting out information and uh tools to

512
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: repair cars. Uh kind Yeah, I'm a photographer and uh

513
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing is now happening in our

514
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: industry and it's happened in other industries before. As a photographer.

515
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: Some of the big camera companies have basically stopped selling

516
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: parts independent repairman and they no longer have the ability

517
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: to repair repair cameras. Now. UM, this was basically because

518
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: the camera companies wanted more money. Uh, they want to

519
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: have the control the ability to repair cameras. Uh, they're

520
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: getting what they wished for. Uh. But now repair times

521
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: are taking for what used to take days by not

522
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: taking weeks and months. Uh. Yeah, this happened also in

523
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: the watch industry years ago with Rolex uh in the

524
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: late seventies, early eighties. Um. Before that, Actually, if you

525
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: wanted to be a Rolex Sert and flight repair watchman,

526
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: all you have to do is take the class. Once

527
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: you pass that class, they allowed you to buy parts

528
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: from them and service their watches. Uh. In the late seventies,

529
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: they started buying up all the surplus parts they could,

530
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: and then they shut down all the uh all the

531
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: parts accounts. So now they basic you had to go

532
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: to Rolex to to to service your watch. So what

533
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: happens if you the photographer of Lancer photographer breaks his

534
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: camera and you're shooting a wedding or or whatever, and

535
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: it takes two months to get the camera back, Lance

536
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: has to buy another camera. Basically, Yeah, that's what it

537
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: is right now. So if I can finish the story

538
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: with Rolex. Basically happened with them, uh they got what

539
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: they wanted. Also, they controlled they were able to control

540
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: watch repairs. Repairs went from weeks to months, and it

541
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: even got so bad they got so inundated that they

542
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: were tone people after Who's watches way years old, that

543
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: the watches were reparable. What happened was the parts repair

544
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: people that they need, that's the suppliers to the industry

545
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: revolted and what they started doing was they started selling

546
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: parts without the without uh insicknias on there, without any

547
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: catalog numbers, as generic parts to the repairman, and that

548
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: gave them the ability to start repairing watches independently. What

549
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: happening now in the photo industry, people are starting to

550
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: make knockoff parts, and what they're doing is cameras that

551
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: are irreparable. They're stripping the parts and refurbishing the parts

552
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: and selling them on the secondary market. Not quite what

553
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: you want, but you really have no choice but the

554
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: professional and and I think we're seeing that now for

555
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: certain with automobiles, and we're gonna we're gonna see it

556
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: actually get worse. What's gonna hurt the automobile is with

557
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: the electronics. You know, if you can't flash that module

558
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: that fit the Chevy Impalla and make it fit the

559
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: Chevy Corvette, then guess what you're just you're out of luck.

560
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: And it's you're going to see a major change in

561
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: the way we approach automobiles. You know, cars to me

562
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: are a very personal thing. Some people think of them

563
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: there and they are their appliances, they're a toaster. But

564
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: it comes back to that cars are gonna lose their

565
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: individual illness, their individualization maybe is a better word, and

566
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get very generic because the cost

567
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: to maintain and manufacture all these specific little modules and

568
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: parts is just gonna become prohibitive or we're gonna go

569
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: car companies go the way of the way. Role X went, um,

570
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: what's scaring me with this? More than anything? Uh? I

571
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: purchased a two fifteen Sonata UH last year and I

572
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: really like the car, and I what freaked me out

573
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: is it started sending me reports on the car every

574
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: month through my phone. And I said, well, that's that's great,

575
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: telling me when my systems are working. This is great,

576
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: But what's stopping What's stopping hun Day or any other company?

577
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: And sending out a bullet and basically saying, Okay, after

578
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: hundred miles or thirteen years, um, that's it. Well right now,

579
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: the only thing, the only thing that's stopping it is

580
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: the government. And if the government ever gets mad at us,

581
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna stop us all on our tracks. Lance, appreciate

582
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: the call of Clark's gonna grab me. Let me pull

583
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: over and take a pause. You keep listening, You keep

584
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: those comments coming. I'm run on any in the car doctor.

585
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Hey, welcome back, n

586
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: any of the car doctor. Let's do a quick piece

587
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: of email in our closing a couple of minutes here, Hey, Ron,

588
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: A recent radio show recommended renting a car for any

589
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: substantial trip instead of using your own. This comes to

590
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: us from Bob. He doesn't say from where he cited figures.

591
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: That was Clark Howard. He cited figures like sixty cents

592
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: a mile to use your own car. What's your take

593
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: on that. I've got to think that a lot of

594
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: the sixty cents is fixed, like taxes, insurance, and that

595
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: you're saving plenty by using the car you already own

596
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: and ensure. Thanks. Ron, I'll tell you what Bob. It's funny.

597
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: The day this email came into the shop, I was

598
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: standing there talking to the young man that we work with,

599
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: an enterprise rent car just down the road, and I

600
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: was talking to Glenn about it. We figured it out,

601
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: we did the math. That's sixty cents a mile is

602
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: actually a very very viable number. And I think when

603
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: you look at the cost of what it takes to

604
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: purchase a new vehicle and ensure it and register it

605
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: and still do maintenance, renting a car to take long

606
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: trips or to take the occasional weekend trip, or if

607
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: your car is older, and I think what Mr Howard

608
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: here was talking about in reality, because I've done this myself.

609
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: I drive all older vehicles. If I want to go

610
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: away for you know, out beyond the five limit, I

611
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: don't feel like having to think about the car and

612
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: the cars ten, twelve years old, fifteen years old from

613
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: where I go, I'll rent the car. Sometimes I rent

614
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: a car because I want to see what the new

615
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: technology is like. And that's a that's a different conversation

616
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: for a different purpose. But you know what, I've got

617
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: no problem with renting a car to take a substantial

618
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: trip instead of using my own it saves to wear

619
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: and tear on my car. That sixty cents a mile

620
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: numbers not to be scoffed at, especially when you consider,

621
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, replacement cars today have any substance, can be

622
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: thirty to thirty five thousand dollars and that's just barely

623
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: a notch above entry level in a lot of cases.

624
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, renting a car seems to be the way

625
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: to go. I'm on, any of the car doctor mechanics

626
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: aren't expensive to places