1 00:00:04,755 --> 00:00:08,995 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:23,115 --> 00:00:27,275 Speaker 1: The worst part of this week of Elon musk madness 3 00:00:27,555 --> 00:00:31,555 Speaker 1: is this, the mother of his children does have an 4 00:00:31,595 --> 00:00:36,035 Speaker 1: alleged stalker. There is a risk to her and the kids. 5 00:00:36,795 --> 00:00:39,515 Speaker 1: Musk could have gotten help from the media rather than 6 00:00:39,555 --> 00:00:41,995 Speaker 1: attack it and blame it. And he could have added 7 00:00:42,035 --> 00:00:45,435 Speaker 1: a level of privacy for her by giving the Elon 8 00:00:45,635 --> 00:00:49,195 Speaker 1: jet account kid an internship or a little more money. 9 00:00:49,195 --> 00:00:51,595 Speaker 1: But Musk apparently decided he was going to argue with 10 00:00:51,635 --> 00:00:55,515 Speaker 1: the kid over the price. And even though Elon Musk 11 00:00:55,955 --> 00:01:00,555 Speaker 1: suspended my Twitter account, subjected me to ridicule, mocked my 12 00:01:00,675 --> 00:01:03,795 Speaker 1: efforts to rescue dogs on youth and asial lists at 13 00:01:03,795 --> 00:01:06,955 Speaker 1: city pounds, and in front of an online audience of 14 00:01:06,995 --> 00:01:10,675 Speaker 1: as much as one and twenty million, literally accused me 15 00:01:10,835 --> 00:01:15,475 Speaker 1: of a crime. I am going to in large part 16 00:01:16,235 --> 00:01:21,235 Speaker 1: defend him or at least empathize with him. A stalker 17 00:01:21,355 --> 00:01:27,755 Speaker 1: can unhinge you. I know this, I had one for 18 00:01:27,995 --> 00:01:32,715 Speaker 1: five years. I was stalked in l a war on 19 00:01:32,795 --> 00:01:35,075 Speaker 1: that in a moment first on his status at Twitter, 20 00:01:35,075 --> 00:01:39,515 Speaker 1: Elon Musk has apparently voted himself off Twitter Island. They 21 00:01:39,555 --> 00:01:41,955 Speaker 1: say lawyers are often told to never ask a question 22 00:01:41,955 --> 00:01:44,395 Speaker 1: to which they do not know the answer. Well, Elon 23 00:01:44,475 --> 00:01:47,195 Speaker 1: Muski is not a lawyer, and unless he's lying, he's 24 00:01:47,195 --> 00:01:48,915 Speaker 1: not going to be the head of Twitter anymore either. 25 00:01:49,595 --> 00:01:52,675 Speaker 1: At six twenty p m. Eastern Time last night, hours 26 00:01:52,715 --> 00:01:54,715 Speaker 1: after he stood in a private box at the World 27 00:01:54,755 --> 00:01:58,795 Speaker 1: Cup in Doha next to Jared Kushner surrounded by unidentified 28 00:01:58,835 --> 00:02:02,075 Speaker 1: men in Middle Eastern Garb, hours after he posted new 29 00:02:02,195 --> 00:02:06,515 Speaker 1: rules essentially forcing users to choose between Twitter and Facebook 30 00:02:06,795 --> 00:02:10,035 Speaker 1: or most other social media sites, and then retracted those rules. 31 00:02:10,515 --> 00:02:13,675 Speaker 1: Hours after he lied about reinstating the accounts of at 32 00:02:13,715 --> 00:02:17,995 Speaker 1: least a dozen reporters and commentators myself included, Musk posted 33 00:02:18,075 --> 00:02:22,115 Speaker 1: yet another Twitter poll, Should I step down as head 34 00:02:22,155 --> 00:02:24,835 Speaker 1: of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll. 35 00:02:25,675 --> 00:02:29,955 Speaker 1: Within an hour and three million votes, Yes step Down 36 00:02:30,675 --> 00:02:33,675 Speaker 1: was cleaning the clock of No. Fifty eight percent to 37 00:02:33,755 --> 00:02:37,675 Speaker 1: forty two when voting crossed the eleven and a half 38 00:02:37,755 --> 00:02:41,595 Speaker 1: million level. A little after midnight Eastern Yes get Out 39 00:02:42,035 --> 00:02:45,475 Speaker 1: was still up fifty six to forty four. But of course, 40 00:02:45,555 --> 00:02:47,315 Speaker 1: if Mike pent stands up for the good of our 41 00:02:47,355 --> 00:02:49,475 Speaker 1: constitution and does the right thing, Musk can still win 42 00:02:49,515 --> 00:02:53,635 Speaker 1: the election. This all, of course, mainlines back to the 43 00:02:53,675 --> 00:02:56,915 Speaker 1: middle of last week, when Elon Musk lost his very 44 00:02:56,955 --> 00:02:59,755 Speaker 1: loose grip on both reality and himself, and went from 45 00:02:59,795 --> 00:03:03,915 Speaker 1: insisting he was such a free speech absolutist that he 46 00:03:03,955 --> 00:03:06,595 Speaker 1: would never even banned the account that tracked the whereabouts 47 00:03:06,635 --> 00:03:09,835 Speaker 1: of his plane, he went from that to actually banning it, 48 00:03:10,155 --> 00:03:12,595 Speaker 1: to promising to sue the kid who ran it, to 49 00:03:12,755 --> 00:03:15,155 Speaker 1: suspending half a dozen reporters who linked to the account 50 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:18,035 Speaker 1: or merely referenced it, to suspending me for standing up 51 00:03:18,035 --> 00:03:21,115 Speaker 1: in solidarity with those reporters, to defaming all of us 52 00:03:21,115 --> 00:03:24,075 Speaker 1: by accusing us of doxing and then tweeting quote turns 53 00:03:24,115 --> 00:03:27,675 Speaker 1: out that's a criminal offense, and then suspending another phalanx 54 00:03:27,755 --> 00:03:32,035 Speaker 1: of anti Nazi and anti racism accounts, and finally suspending 55 00:03:32,035 --> 00:03:35,395 Speaker 1: the account of reporter Taylor Lawrence of The Washington Post 56 00:03:35,635 --> 00:03:39,195 Speaker 1: actor she tweeted asking him for comment on a story 57 00:03:39,235 --> 00:03:42,515 Speaker 1: that her paper was working on, and it turns out 58 00:03:42,635 --> 00:03:47,395 Speaker 1: that story seems to explain Lawrence's suspension and that of 59 00:03:47,435 --> 00:03:52,395 Speaker 1: her colleague Drew Harwell, and the entire crazy, panicky, disturbed 60 00:03:52,435 --> 00:03:56,395 Speaker 1: and disturbing insistence that merely reporting on the existence of 61 00:03:56,475 --> 00:04:01,115 Speaker 1: publicly available flight information was doxing, and maybe it explains 62 00:04:01,155 --> 00:04:04,995 Speaker 1: even the should I step down Twitter vote. Lauren and 63 00:04:05,275 --> 00:04:08,235 Speaker 1: Harwell wrote last night in The Washington Post that there 64 00:04:08,315 --> 00:04:13,115 Speaker 1: was quote a confrontation between a member of Elon Musk's 65 00:04:13,115 --> 00:04:18,035 Speaker 1: security team and an alleged stalker that Musk blamed on 66 00:04:18,075 --> 00:04:21,515 Speaker 1: a Twitter account that tracted jet, but that it quote 67 00:04:21,555 --> 00:04:25,235 Speaker 1: took place at a gas station twenty six miles from 68 00:04:25,275 --> 00:04:29,195 Speaker 1: Los Angeles International Airport and twenty three hours after the 69 00:04:29,195 --> 00:04:33,315 Speaker 1: Elon Jet account had last located the jets whereabouts. Unquote. 70 00:04:33,675 --> 00:04:39,475 Speaker 1: The Post even got confirmation from the alleged stalker himself 71 00:04:40,115 --> 00:04:43,475 Speaker 1: that he believes the singer Grimes, the mother of two 72 00:04:43,475 --> 00:04:48,555 Speaker 1: of Musk's children, has been sending him coded messages in 73 00:04:48,635 --> 00:04:52,995 Speaker 1: her Instagram posts, and that he was indeed the person 74 00:04:53,035 --> 00:04:56,555 Speaker 1: who had encountered the Musk car last Tuesday, of whom 75 00:04:56,675 --> 00:05:01,835 Speaker 1: video was taken and promulgated on Twitter. The alleged stalker 76 00:05:02,035 --> 00:05:05,435 Speaker 1: is very real, and as somebody who not only had 77 00:05:05,435 --> 00:05:07,755 Speaker 1: a stalker over a span of five years, but lived 78 00:05:07,795 --> 00:05:11,195 Speaker 1: in southern California during most of that stalking, and who 79 00:05:11,235 --> 00:05:14,995 Speaker 1: got voicemails and letters from the woman constantly insisting that 80 00:05:15,115 --> 00:05:20,355 Speaker 1: I was sending her coded messages in my sportscasts. I 81 00:05:20,395 --> 00:05:25,515 Speaker 1: have nothing but empathy for Grimes, for Musk, and for 82 00:05:25,595 --> 00:05:31,035 Speaker 1: the kids. When you are being stalked, the seeming languid, 83 00:05:31,075 --> 00:05:34,475 Speaker 1: nous and indifference of the authorities, the hoops through which 84 00:05:34,555 --> 00:05:37,555 Speaker 1: they make you jump before they act, can be maddening, 85 00:05:37,635 --> 00:05:40,915 Speaker 1: and we need to support people who are being stalked 86 00:05:41,195 --> 00:05:46,115 Speaker 1: and those close to them in any way reasonably possible. 87 00:05:46,555 --> 00:05:51,355 Speaker 1: The power structure in Los Angeles often seems to the 88 00:05:51,395 --> 00:05:55,955 Speaker 1: stalking victim to be colluding with the stalker. The Los 89 00:05:55,955 --> 00:05:59,515 Speaker 1: Angeles Times itself once published details of a condo I 90 00:05:59,595 --> 00:06:02,995 Speaker 1: had bought. They gave everything but the street address itself. 91 00:06:03,395 --> 00:06:06,075 Speaker 1: They listed how many story worries tall, the building was, 92 00:06:06,155 --> 00:06:09,795 Speaker 1: its relative distance to area landmarks, enough clues that a 93 00:06:09,835 --> 00:06:12,795 Speaker 1: stalker could cut down the number of buildings I might 94 00:06:12,835 --> 00:06:17,195 Speaker 1: have bought in too, literally three or four in all 95 00:06:17,235 --> 00:06:23,035 Speaker 1: of southern California. But supporting the victims does not include 96 00:06:23,035 --> 00:06:27,275 Speaker 1: having to guess that there are victims, and it does 97 00:06:27,315 --> 00:06:31,515 Speaker 1: not require indulging the world's second most rich man and 98 00:06:31,595 --> 00:06:34,915 Speaker 1: owner of one of its most influential social media platforms, 99 00:06:35,155 --> 00:06:39,195 Speaker 1: as he condemns reporters and commentators and Twitter users and 100 00:06:39,275 --> 00:06:42,915 Speaker 1: innocent bystanders and god knows who else for providing quote 101 00:06:42,955 --> 00:06:48,315 Speaker 1: assassination coordinates when they when we did no such thing. 102 00:06:49,475 --> 00:06:53,515 Speaker 1: Scapegoating people who could have helped is nearly as indefensible 103 00:06:53,595 --> 00:06:57,915 Speaker 1: as stalking. What Musk was enraged about was not caused 104 00:06:57,955 --> 00:07:01,435 Speaker 1: by the account tracking his plane. It wasn't enabled by 105 00:07:01,475 --> 00:07:04,275 Speaker 1: any of the reporters writing about it. It happened two 106 00:07:04,355 --> 00:07:08,075 Speaker 1: days before anybody did write about it, And bluntly, if 107 00:07:08,195 --> 00:07:10,395 Speaker 1: Musk was willing to pay the kid who ran the 108 00:07:10,395 --> 00:07:13,755 Speaker 1: account five thousand dollars to stop it, but the kid 109 00:07:13,755 --> 00:07:17,435 Speaker 1: half seriously said how about fifty thousand or an internship 110 00:07:17,475 --> 00:07:21,835 Speaker 1: at SpaceX, and Musk said no. Then the outsider who 111 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:25,595 Speaker 1: provided the most logistical help to the creature allegedly stalking 112 00:07:25,635 --> 00:07:28,875 Speaker 1: Grimes was not Jack Sweeney, and it wasn't Ryan McK 113 00:07:28,915 --> 00:07:31,395 Speaker 1: of The Times, and it wasn't Steve Herman of Voice 114 00:07:31,395 --> 00:07:34,155 Speaker 1: of America, and it wasn't Donnie O'Sullivan of CNN, and 115 00:07:34,195 --> 00:07:37,075 Speaker 1: it wasn't me, and it wasn't anybody else who was suspended. 116 00:07:37,235 --> 00:07:40,235 Speaker 1: The person who most helped the stalker was Elon Musk 117 00:07:40,755 --> 00:07:42,915 Speaker 1: if you are worth the hundred and sixty three billion 118 00:07:42,955 --> 00:07:46,075 Speaker 1: dollars and fifty thousand bucks can buy you more safety, 119 00:07:46,235 --> 00:07:48,435 Speaker 1: you do not turn it down because you think it 120 00:07:48,555 --> 00:07:56,315 Speaker 1: is only worth five thousand bucks. Are you crazy? And 121 00:07:56,395 --> 00:07:59,195 Speaker 1: still I have empathy for him, and especially for Grimes, 122 00:07:59,235 --> 00:08:06,155 Speaker 1: and especially for the children I have been there. And 123 00:08:06,155 --> 00:08:08,235 Speaker 1: of course maybe Musk is not actually worth a hundred 124 00:08:08,235 --> 00:08:11,955 Speaker 1: and sixty three billion dollars. After posting his poll, Musk 125 00:08:11,995 --> 00:08:15,635 Speaker 1: had an exchange with a sock puppet friend named Lex Friedman. 126 00:08:16,355 --> 00:08:20,115 Speaker 1: Friedman wrote, fun suggestion, Elon Musk, let me run Twitter 127 00:08:20,155 --> 00:08:23,595 Speaker 1: for a bit, no salary, all in focus on great 128 00:08:23,635 --> 00:08:26,715 Speaker 1: engineering and increasing the amount of love in the world. 129 00:08:26,995 --> 00:08:30,155 Speaker 1: Just offering my help in the unlikely case it's useful. 130 00:08:30,515 --> 00:08:34,875 Speaker 1: Musk replied, you must like pain a lot. One catch. 131 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:37,795 Speaker 1: You have to invest your life savings in Twitter and 132 00:08:37,915 --> 00:08:41,315 Speaker 1: it has been in the fast lane to bankruptcy since. 133 00:08:41,435 --> 00:08:46,755 Speaker 1: May still want the job end quote, and the newspaper 134 00:08:46,795 --> 00:08:49,515 Speaker 1: of The Financial Times also had reported that quote. The 135 00:08:49,595 --> 00:08:54,435 Speaker 1: head of Elon Musk's family office approached Twitter's shareholders on 136 00:08:54,475 --> 00:08:57,715 Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon. According to two people familiar with the matter, 137 00:08:57,955 --> 00:09:00,475 Speaker 1: He offered new shares in the company at fifty four 138 00:09:00,555 --> 00:09:03,955 Speaker 1: hours and twenty cents each, the same price Musk paid 139 00:09:03,995 --> 00:09:06,635 Speaker 1: to take the company private to try and raise new 140 00:09:06,715 --> 00:09:10,235 Speaker 1: funds as the social media company continues to bleed cash 141 00:09:10,275 --> 00:09:14,195 Speaker 1: and faces heavy interest payments on its debts. This while 142 00:09:14,315 --> 00:09:18,915 Speaker 1: significant stakeholders in Musk's Tesla company argued with him on Twitter, 143 00:09:19,155 --> 00:09:22,875 Speaker 1: claiming he had erased six hundred billion dollars worth of 144 00:09:22,955 --> 00:09:26,235 Speaker 1: Tesla wealth as the stock fell another four point seven 145 00:09:26,235 --> 00:09:28,715 Speaker 1: percent to a hundred and fifty dollars to share Friday, 146 00:09:28,835 --> 00:09:33,235 Speaker 1: and the third largest investor, Leo Cogwan, wrote, quote, Elon 147 00:09:33,435 --> 00:09:37,915 Speaker 1: abandoned Tesla and Tesla has no working CEO. Tesla needs 148 00:09:37,915 --> 00:09:41,475 Speaker 1: and deserves to have working full time CEO. What Tesla 149 00:09:41,595 --> 00:09:44,875 Speaker 1: B O D should do Nothing. Elon is a mere 150 00:09:44,955 --> 00:09:51,595 Speaker 1: hired hand. He is our employee. Unquote Elon Musk's behavior 151 00:09:51,635 --> 00:09:55,235 Speaker 1: since he bought Twitter, and especially since last week contemporaneous 152 00:09:55,235 --> 00:09:58,915 Speaker 1: with the confrontation with the alleged stalker of Grimes, has 153 00:09:58,995 --> 00:10:03,755 Speaker 1: created remarkable upheaval. Musk thought he could shut down all 154 00:10:03,795 --> 00:10:07,915 Speaker 1: discussion of where his jet was and why. Instead, his 155 00:10:07,955 --> 00:10:12,475 Speaker 1: efforts created the so called streisand effect, a spilled out 156 00:10:12,595 --> 00:10:14,915 Speaker 1: version of the link to the elon jet at the 157 00:10:14,915 --> 00:10:20,475 Speaker 1: website Mastodon got me suspended, but screenshots of that spelled 158 00:10:20,475 --> 00:10:24,235 Speaker 1: out version and of actual links got more engagement across 159 00:10:24,275 --> 00:10:27,315 Speaker 1: Twitter than a tweet, or a dozen tweets, or a 160 00:10:27,395 --> 00:10:31,035 Speaker 1: hundred tweets, or a news story ever could. Musk thought 161 00:10:31,075 --> 00:10:33,275 Speaker 1: the right wing crowd he has been courting would rally 162 00:10:33,355 --> 00:10:36,275 Speaker 1: to his side and crushed the news media he irrationally 163 00:10:36,355 --> 00:10:39,595 Speaker 1: blamed for this. In fact, Barry Weiss, one of his 164 00:10:39,715 --> 00:10:45,035 Speaker 1: Twitter files Flunkey's, attacked him. The old regime at Twitter, 165 00:10:45,155 --> 00:10:47,675 Speaker 1: She wrote, governed by its own whims and biases, and 166 00:10:47,715 --> 00:10:50,555 Speaker 1: it sure looks like the new regime has the same problem. 167 00:10:50,635 --> 00:10:54,195 Speaker 1: I opposed it in both cases. Musk promptly unfollowed her. 168 00:10:55,395 --> 00:10:59,275 Speaker 1: Musk thought he could squelch coverage. Then the digital director 169 00:10:59,275 --> 00:11:02,675 Speaker 1: of the European Union threatened sanctions, including revoking Twitter's right 170 00:11:02,875 --> 00:11:07,915 Speaker 1: to operate there. A bright Bart news editor protested my 171 00:11:08,115 --> 00:11:11,955 Speaker 1: suspension on principle. He wrote back, seven days suspension for 172 00:11:12,115 --> 00:11:14,675 Speaker 1: doxing sometime away from Twitter is good for the soul 173 00:11:14,995 --> 00:11:18,195 Speaker 1: and looked like a lunatic. He mocked my use of 174 00:11:18,235 --> 00:11:21,515 Speaker 1: my shelter dog saving account to distribute the video promos 175 00:11:21,555 --> 00:11:25,275 Speaker 1: for this podcast. His tweet and others by right wing 176 00:11:25,355 --> 00:11:29,235 Speaker 1: trolls gave those videos roughly two hundred times their normal 177 00:11:29,355 --> 00:11:34,515 Speaker 1: daily reach. Outside of the fringes. Only one organization gave 178 00:11:34,595 --> 00:11:38,995 Speaker 1: him any support when we all might have. NBC News did, 179 00:11:39,355 --> 00:11:43,835 Speaker 1: of course, it suspended its tech reporter Ben Collins for 180 00:11:43,995 --> 00:11:47,755 Speaker 1: being too editorial in a commentary when he said that 181 00:11:47,795 --> 00:11:51,475 Speaker 1: it seemed like Musk was trying to destroy Twitter. Musk 182 00:11:51,515 --> 00:11:56,115 Speaker 1: also insisted the media was giving away assassination coordinates and 183 00:11:56,195 --> 00:11:59,795 Speaker 1: Seth Meyers show writer sal Genteel mocked him by writing, 184 00:12:00,195 --> 00:12:02,275 Speaker 1: hard to believe there was once a time when they'd 185 00:12:02,275 --> 00:12:05,595 Speaker 1: send a big yellow book to everyone's house listing yours 186 00:12:06,155 --> 00:12:13,715 Speaker 1: and everyone else's assassination coordinates. Ultimately, this is about Elon 187 00:12:13,795 --> 00:12:17,275 Speaker 1: Musk and his inability to effectively interact with other human 188 00:12:17,315 --> 00:12:22,035 Speaker 1: beings in retrospect. From the beginning of this, I think 189 00:12:22,035 --> 00:12:24,715 Speaker 1: he truly believed that because the mother of his children 190 00:12:24,755 --> 00:12:29,235 Speaker 1: was being stalked, that the Elon jet account had caused that, 191 00:12:29,875 --> 00:12:32,715 Speaker 1: and that everybody would agree with him, and that the 192 00:12:32,755 --> 00:12:35,955 Speaker 1: account was the definition of doxing, and that everybody would 193 00:12:35,995 --> 00:12:38,955 Speaker 1: agree with him, and that anybody who reported on it 194 00:12:39,035 --> 00:12:42,635 Speaker 1: or included the disconnected link to the Elon jet account 195 00:12:42,715 --> 00:12:45,515 Speaker 1: was doxing, and that everybody would agree with him, and 196 00:12:45,555 --> 00:12:47,915 Speaker 1: that he was right and everybody else was wrong, and 197 00:12:47,955 --> 00:12:50,675 Speaker 1: that everybody would agree with him. And ultimately that led 198 00:12:50,715 --> 00:12:52,755 Speaker 1: to this Twitter poll about stepping down his head of 199 00:12:52,755 --> 00:12:56,355 Speaker 1: Twitter because he has to be right and that everybody 200 00:12:56,355 --> 00:12:59,275 Speaker 1: would agree with him. And we know this because in 201 00:12:59,315 --> 00:13:02,075 Speaker 1: the hours after he suspended all of us Thursday night, 202 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:05,435 Speaker 1: Elon Musk could not resist the temptation to join one 203 00:13:05,435 --> 00:13:09,075 Speaker 1: of these Twitter spaces audio conversations, along with a bunch 204 00:13:09,115 --> 00:13:13,115 Speaker 1: of actual reporters, including at least one of the suspended ones, 205 00:13:13,275 --> 00:13:16,355 Speaker 1: Drew Harwell of the Washington Post, who just co authored 206 00:13:16,395 --> 00:13:20,315 Speaker 1: the heart stopping story of Grimes as Stalker. The audio 207 00:13:20,515 --> 00:13:24,675 Speaker 1: of these things usually remain available forever, but this one 208 00:13:24,795 --> 00:13:28,875 Speaker 1: disappeared within minutes. In fact, all Twitter spaces were disabled 209 00:13:28,995 --> 00:13:33,355 Speaker 1: until the next day. Happily others recorded it. It is 210 00:13:33,515 --> 00:13:37,595 Speaker 1: apparent from the beginning that Elon Musk was astonished that 211 00:13:37,715 --> 00:13:40,315 Speaker 1: everybody did not agree with him, and was astonished that 212 00:13:40,355 --> 00:13:43,395 Speaker 1: he was expected to say anything other than dosing is doxing? 213 00:13:43,675 --> 00:13:48,835 Speaker 1: No special treatment, ban evasion is evading bands and the word. Obviously, 214 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:53,395 Speaker 1: again and again, Musk could produce only tautologies. You know, 215 00:13:54,235 --> 00:13:57,795 Speaker 1: this is the definition of doxing, because doxing is defined 216 00:13:57,915 --> 00:14:04,555 Speaker 1: as doxing. The host was named Katie Monopolis from BuzzFeed. 217 00:14:05,155 --> 00:14:08,595 Speaker 1: In the last few hours with a handful of journalists 218 00:14:08,635 --> 00:14:16,115 Speaker 1: being banned, yeah, well, as I'm sure everyone who's been 219 00:14:16,875 --> 00:14:21,235 Speaker 1: docks and I would agree, you know, uh, showing real 220 00:14:21,275 --> 00:14:26,355 Speaker 1: time information about somebody's location is inappropriate, and I think 221 00:14:26,555 --> 00:14:28,635 Speaker 1: everyone on this call would not like that to be 222 00:14:28,715 --> 00:14:31,195 Speaker 1: done put to them. And and there's not going to 223 00:14:31,275 --> 00:14:33,515 Speaker 1: be any distinction in the theater between journalists, So both 224 00:14:33,555 --> 00:14:36,395 Speaker 1: journalists and and regular people, everyone's going to be treated 225 00:14:36,395 --> 00:14:39,075 Speaker 1: the same. They're not special because you're a journalist, You're 226 00:14:39,155 --> 00:14:44,955 Speaker 1: you're just your Twitter you're inser citizen. Um, So no 227 00:14:45,035 --> 00:14:48,955 Speaker 1: special freeman. Um, docks your dogs, you get suspended in 228 00:14:49,035 --> 00:14:53,875 Speaker 1: a story. Um. Remember, Musk had tweeted that his commitment 229 00:14:53,915 --> 00:14:55,715 Speaker 1: to free speech was such that he would never even 230 00:14:55,715 --> 00:14:59,195 Speaker 1: try to ban the original elon Jet account that showed 231 00:14:59,195 --> 00:15:03,195 Speaker 1: where his plane had just flown. Yet suddenly elon Jet 232 00:15:03,275 --> 00:15:05,835 Speaker 1: was dosing him. People who tweeted the dead link, we're 233 00:15:05,875 --> 00:15:09,475 Speaker 1: doxing him. Anybody who reported on others tweeting the dead link. 234 00:15:09,875 --> 00:15:15,595 Speaker 1: We're dosing him and anybody evading his ban was doxing 235 00:15:15,675 --> 00:15:20,195 Speaker 1: him so and and and gnovasion banovasion, or like or 236 00:15:20,355 --> 00:15:22,675 Speaker 1: trying to be clever about it, like, oh, I posted 237 00:15:22,675 --> 00:15:28,675 Speaker 1: a link to the real side information is obviously uh, 238 00:15:28,715 --> 00:15:32,235 Speaker 1: that is obviously simply trying to evade the meaning that is, 239 00:15:32,755 --> 00:15:35,315 Speaker 1: there's no different from heaven paste than actually showing real 240 00:15:35,355 --> 00:15:38,355 Speaker 1: time information. But what Musk just said there was he 241 00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:41,395 Speaker 1: In essence, there's no difference between posting real time information 242 00:15:41,435 --> 00:15:45,355 Speaker 1: about his whereabouts or his kids where Grimes is whereabouts, 243 00:15:45,395 --> 00:15:48,475 Speaker 1: and not posting real time information about his whereabouts or 244 00:15:48,555 --> 00:15:52,395 Speaker 1: his kids where Grimes is whereabouts, instead of saying something 245 00:15:52,435 --> 00:15:54,435 Speaker 1: like this is not literally true. But to my mind, 246 00:15:54,475 --> 00:15:57,835 Speaker 1: there is no difference. Or Heaven forbid telling us why 247 00:15:58,035 --> 00:16:00,595 Speaker 1: he was so out of control about the incident with 248 00:16:00,635 --> 00:16:03,715 Speaker 1: the car two days before any of the articles or 249 00:16:03,795 --> 00:16:09,035 Speaker 1: links appeared. Why not share it with us. Musk's problem, 250 00:16:09,155 --> 00:16:12,875 Speaker 1: I believe, is it cannot just be his opinion. He 251 00:16:12,955 --> 00:16:17,515 Speaker 1: cannot ask for help, he cannot possibly not know everything. 252 00:16:17,715 --> 00:16:22,235 Speaker 1: What he says must be accepted as fact. Philip Bump 253 00:16:22,235 --> 00:16:25,795 Speaker 1: of a Washington Post wrote, the whereabouts of somebody's playing constitutes, 254 00:16:26,395 --> 00:16:30,195 Speaker 1: as must describe it, assassination coordinates only if you operate 255 00:16:30,315 --> 00:16:34,435 Speaker 1: a Patriot missile battery. But back to the Twitter space 256 00:16:34,635 --> 00:16:38,435 Speaker 1: and the word obviously, you consider that like a tricky 257 00:16:38,555 --> 00:16:41,955 Speaker 1: attempt at ban evasion, you show the links to the 258 00:16:41,995 --> 00:16:46,355 Speaker 1: real time information ban evasion. Obviously. Of course it wasn't 259 00:16:46,435 --> 00:16:50,755 Speaker 1: obviously if he had told us, it might have been. Obviously. 260 00:16:51,875 --> 00:16:54,355 Speaker 1: The breaking point on Thursday night for Musk was when 261 00:16:54,355 --> 00:16:57,315 Speaker 1: one of the members of our suspension Club, Harwell of 262 00:16:57,395 --> 00:17:01,795 Speaker 1: The Washington Post, pointed out that to suppress publicly available 263 00:17:01,875 --> 00:17:08,075 Speaker 1: information legal publicly available information about flights and airplane locations. 264 00:17:08,355 --> 00:17:11,115 Speaker 1: To do that, Elon Musk had used the same process 265 00:17:11,515 --> 00:17:15,115 Speaker 1: editorially and technically that he had just criticized in the 266 00:17:15,155 --> 00:17:20,315 Speaker 1: so called Twitter files coverage of the Hunter Biden laptop story. 267 00:17:20,595 --> 00:17:25,195 Speaker 1: What is different here, and it's no more acceptable for 268 00:17:25,235 --> 00:17:28,715 Speaker 1: me for you, that is for me the same thing. 269 00:17:29,515 --> 00:17:33,715 Speaker 1: So anyway, so it's unacceptable what you're doing. No what 270 00:17:34,515 --> 00:17:38,795 Speaker 1: your ducks. You get suspended and the story. That's it. 271 00:17:39,595 --> 00:17:43,435 Speaker 1: And nobody there realized Musk meant that's it. Literally. Back 272 00:17:43,475 --> 00:17:47,835 Speaker 1: to Katie Monopolis of BuzzFeed, who within minutes would find 273 00:17:47,835 --> 00:17:52,835 Speaker 1: herself banned from Twitter spaces. It's highly unusual for journalists 274 00:17:52,875 --> 00:17:54,955 Speaker 1: at the Washington Post in the New York Times to 275 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:58,235 Speaker 1: be how their Twitter counts suspended, And it just so 276 00:17:58,355 --> 00:18:01,955 Speaker 1: happens that it's you know, the boss in charge. You know, 277 00:18:02,355 --> 00:18:06,675 Speaker 1: uh so, you know, what's a deal there? I think 278 00:18:06,995 --> 00:18:11,995 Speaker 1: I think Ellen has has left. You bet your asses left. 279 00:18:12,515 --> 00:18:15,755 Speaker 1: And instead of getting help or at minimum support and 280 00:18:15,875 --> 00:18:19,995 Speaker 1: empathy from reporters and commentators and other people like me 281 00:18:20,235 --> 00:18:24,035 Speaker 1: and other stalking victims like me, he made enemies and 282 00:18:24,195 --> 00:18:28,755 Speaker 1: damaged reputations and threatened us with prosecutions. And he left 283 00:18:28,795 --> 00:18:31,275 Speaker 1: me talking to my lawyer as late as last night 284 00:18:31,435 --> 00:18:33,235 Speaker 1: about whether or not it was a good idea to 285 00:18:33,315 --> 00:18:38,195 Speaker 1: sue him for defamation, and through all that, because I 286 00:18:38,235 --> 00:18:41,755 Speaker 1: have been there and have been unhinged, not nearly as 287 00:18:41,875 --> 00:18:45,435 Speaker 1: unhinged as he has been through all that, I would 288 00:18:45,435 --> 00:19:05,955 Speaker 1: still help him if he asked. God damn, it still 289 00:19:05,995 --> 00:19:07,955 Speaker 1: ahead and we will find out today if the January 290 00:19:07,995 --> 00:19:10,675 Speaker 1: six Committee will recommend criminal charges for Trump. It looks 291 00:19:10,715 --> 00:19:13,075 Speaker 1: like yes, it looks like three of them. It looks 292 00:19:13,075 --> 00:19:18,755 Speaker 1: like insurrection is included. A catch Aaron Judge Record Baseball 293 00:19:18,915 --> 00:19:22,035 Speaker 1: be turned down. Three million dollar offer four Aaron Judge 294 00:19:22,075 --> 00:19:25,955 Speaker 1: Record Baseball. See auction off Aaron Judge Record Baseball d 295 00:19:26,155 --> 00:19:29,355 Speaker 1: get winning bit of half what you were offered for 296 00:19:29,395 --> 00:19:34,995 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge Record Baseball e change name to wild Coyote 297 00:19:35,235 --> 00:19:39,635 Speaker 1: super genius. And how many media people do you know 298 00:19:39,715 --> 00:19:43,555 Speaker 1: who can say I have been suspended by Twitter and 299 00:19:43,635 --> 00:19:46,555 Speaker 1: that suspension does not even make it into my list 300 00:19:47,155 --> 00:19:52,035 Speaker 1: of the top three times I have been suspended. That's next. 301 00:19:53,595 --> 00:20:08,595 Speaker 1: This is Countdown. This is Countdown with Keith Alberman still ahead, 302 00:20:08,715 --> 00:20:12,395 Speaker 1: Chris licked Kirsten Cinema and my favorite three times I 303 00:20:12,515 --> 00:20:15,715 Speaker 1: was suspended. Now that's what I call a theme show. 304 00:20:16,075 --> 00:20:19,835 Speaker 1: All of it about knee first. In each edition of Countdown, 305 00:20:19,835 --> 00:20:21,675 Speaker 1: we feature a dog in need you can help. Every 306 00:20:21,715 --> 00:20:24,435 Speaker 1: dog has its day back to New York and the 307 00:20:24,475 --> 00:20:27,835 Speaker 1: pound and the generous offer from Elaine Boosler to cover 308 00:20:27,995 --> 00:20:31,355 Speaker 1: standard adoption expenses for a year if you save a 309 00:20:31,435 --> 00:20:35,555 Speaker 1: dog off the kill list. Here, Violet was abandoned in 310 00:20:35,595 --> 00:20:37,395 Speaker 1: the hallway of a building in New York. Has only 311 00:20:37,395 --> 00:20:39,355 Speaker 1: been at the pound for a week, yet she is 312 00:20:39,395 --> 00:20:43,715 Speaker 1: already on tomorrow's euthanasia list. Thirty nine pounds and terrified, 313 00:20:44,235 --> 00:20:48,075 Speaker 1: but okay with older kids. Some training should save her, 314 00:20:48,635 --> 00:20:52,315 Speaker 1: So pledges to defray a rescues expenses would probably be 315 00:20:52,355 --> 00:20:55,355 Speaker 1: the best idea. You can find Violet on my Twitter feeds. 316 00:20:55,715 --> 00:20:58,715 Speaker 1: While the one that Musk didn't suspend, the other one 317 00:20:58,795 --> 00:21:02,355 Speaker 1: is at Tom Jumbo Grumbo, the one Musk mocked because 318 00:21:02,355 --> 00:21:03,875 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a thought in his head that isn't 319 00:21:03,915 --> 00:21:07,715 Speaker 1: about himself. You do, please help us save Violet at 320 00:21:07,915 --> 00:21:12,515 Speaker 1: Heathlverman's Dogs on Twitter, I thank you and Violet thanks you. 321 00:21:27,795 --> 00:21:31,355 Speaker 1: Postscripts to the news some headlines, some updates, some snarks, 322 00:21:31,355 --> 00:21:34,875 Speaker 1: some predictions. Date Line, Washington. The January six Committee meets 323 00:21:34,915 --> 00:21:37,955 Speaker 1: Monday afternoon to vote to recommend that the Department of 324 00:21:38,035 --> 00:21:43,195 Speaker 1: Justice pursue at least three criminal charges against Trump for insurrection, 325 00:21:43,555 --> 00:21:46,955 Speaker 1: for conspiracy to defraud the government, and for obstruction of 326 00:21:47,035 --> 00:21:50,875 Speaker 1: an official proceeding. No, it does not matter legally. Yes, 327 00:21:50,955 --> 00:21:54,835 Speaker 1: it is hugely important symbolically, and it will crystallize in 328 00:21:54,875 --> 00:21:58,315 Speaker 1: the minds of a lot of unengaged citizens just how 329 00:21:58,395 --> 00:22:01,835 Speaker 1: serious this really is. But most importantly, it is a 330 00:22:01,875 --> 00:22:05,275 Speaker 1: giant post it note stuck on the foreheads of Attorney 331 00:22:05,275 --> 00:22:09,395 Speaker 1: General Garland and Special counsel Smith. Ignore these crimes at 332 00:22:09,435 --> 00:22:14,115 Speaker 1: your risk and at the risk of the democracy. Dateline Marilago. 333 00:22:14,195 --> 00:22:18,475 Speaker 1: Trump's worst enemy continues to undermine him. That would be Trump. 334 00:22:18,795 --> 00:22:21,435 Speaker 1: He has now posted about the FBI and the Department 335 00:22:21,435 --> 00:22:25,635 Speaker 1: of Justice that quote, these weaponized thugs and tyrants must 336 00:22:25,635 --> 00:22:30,355 Speaker 1: be dealt with, dealt with. On a lighter note, it 337 00:22:30,395 --> 00:22:32,915 Speaker 1: turns out those Trump n f T trading cards with 338 00:22:32,955 --> 00:22:36,115 Speaker 1: the images of him in a cowboy outfit with horses 339 00:22:36,155 --> 00:22:39,515 Speaker 1: and the distance behind him having sex. The images were 340 00:22:39,555 --> 00:22:44,315 Speaker 1: lifted from stock image catalogs. Several still have the water 341 00:22:44,435 --> 00:22:49,395 Speaker 1: marks on them. Cheap is as cheap does. Speaking of which, 342 00:22:49,475 --> 00:22:52,755 Speaker 1: dateline Phoenix. Also speaking of insurrection, it is getting out 343 00:22:52,795 --> 00:22:56,235 Speaker 1: of hand in Arizona. The losing candidate for governor, the 344 00:22:56,275 --> 00:23:00,875 Speaker 1: washed up newscaster Carrie Lake, is now openly threatening insurrection 345 00:23:00,995 --> 00:23:04,315 Speaker 1: and the government, state or federal needs to indict and 346 00:23:04,395 --> 00:23:09,035 Speaker 1: arrest her immediately. This was carry Lake approaching Elon Musk 347 00:23:09,195 --> 00:23:13,635 Speaker 1: levels of disconnection from reality at the fascist turning point. 348 00:23:13,795 --> 00:23:18,435 Speaker 1: Us a rally in Phoenix yesterday. They are daring us 349 00:23:18,515 --> 00:23:21,475 Speaker 1: to do something about it. Let me tell you what 350 00:23:21,515 --> 00:23:25,515 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. They have built a House of Cards 351 00:23:25,555 --> 00:23:34,395 Speaker 1: here in Maricopa County. I think they're all wondering what 352 00:23:34,475 --> 00:23:38,715 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'll tell you what. I'm not just 353 00:23:38,755 --> 00:23:43,355 Speaker 1: gonna knock that house of cards over. We're gonna burn 354 00:23:43,435 --> 00:23:48,395 Speaker 1: it to the ground. She kept talking, but by that 355 00:23:48,475 --> 00:23:50,595 Speaker 1: point she'd move the mic away from her mouth and 356 00:23:50,635 --> 00:23:54,355 Speaker 1: nobody could hear her. So knocking over Maricopa County and 357 00:23:54,395 --> 00:23:58,675 Speaker 1: then burning Maricopa County to the ground. Arrest Carry Lake? 358 00:23:58,795 --> 00:24:02,875 Speaker 1: Now are we wondering what Carry Lake is gonna do? Now? Well, 359 00:24:03,355 --> 00:24:05,555 Speaker 1: I'm not about sure about that, Kerry. I'd say, we 360 00:24:05,635 --> 00:24:07,795 Speaker 1: know what you're going to do. Now, I'd say you're 361 00:24:07,795 --> 00:24:12,155 Speaker 1: gonna do twenty to life dateline. Phoenix Senator Kyrston Cinema 362 00:24:12,235 --> 00:24:15,715 Speaker 1: has filed paperwork to run for re election in as 363 00:24:15,755 --> 00:24:19,875 Speaker 1: an independent. Remember, her plan is to blackmail the Democrats 364 00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:23,035 Speaker 1: into not putting anybody up against her, or she will 365 00:24:23,075 --> 00:24:26,955 Speaker 1: proceed and split the vote. But at least we know 366 00:24:27,035 --> 00:24:29,755 Speaker 1: how she's going to finance her campaign. It has now 367 00:24:29,795 --> 00:24:34,755 Speaker 1: been confirmed the Kirston Cinema on Facebook marketplace selling used 368 00:24:34,875 --> 00:24:40,115 Speaker 1: bike gear and her old clothes and shoes. Is the senator? 369 00:24:40,715 --> 00:24:44,075 Speaker 1: Before you ask, good news, you can relax. You don't 370 00:24:44,115 --> 00:24:47,195 Speaker 1: have to worry about her selling those sort of things. 371 00:24:47,755 --> 00:24:51,075 Speaker 1: What do I mean, Well, when we went out, she 372 00:24:51,195 --> 00:25:10,035 Speaker 1: told me she was a newist. This is Sports Center. Wait, 373 00:25:10,235 --> 00:25:18,875 Speaker 1: check that not anymore. This is Countdown with Keith in sports. 374 00:25:18,875 --> 00:25:22,595 Speaker 1: Soccer's World Cup goes to Argentina. Even though Buffet of 375 00:25:22,715 --> 00:25:25,075 Speaker 1: France scored a hat trick and won the Golden boot 376 00:25:25,115 --> 00:25:28,835 Speaker 1: as tournament m v P while Leonel Messi of Argentina 377 00:25:28,955 --> 00:25:32,835 Speaker 1: produced two goals, the awards decisions yes, this is a 378 00:25:32,875 --> 00:25:36,435 Speaker 1: messy production the game, and thus the world title was 379 00:25:36,515 --> 00:25:40,995 Speaker 1: decided on a shootout, which Argentina won four to two 380 00:25:41,315 --> 00:25:44,795 Speaker 1: shootout rather than say overtime like every other sport in 381 00:25:44,835 --> 00:25:47,555 Speaker 1: the world would play for its championship. Because soccer is 382 00:25:47,595 --> 00:25:50,915 Speaker 1: not a real sport, A shootout a bunch of guys 383 00:25:50,995 --> 00:25:53,235 Speaker 1: taking the shot one at a time, like at the 384 00:25:53,355 --> 00:25:56,355 Speaker 1: end of a regular season National Hockey League game while 385 00:25:56,435 --> 00:25:59,275 Speaker 1: most of the fans are filing out as if you 386 00:25:59,315 --> 00:26:01,715 Speaker 1: were to decide the seventh game of the World Series 387 00:26:01,755 --> 00:26:05,395 Speaker 1: tied three three after nine by stopping the game and 388 00:26:05,435 --> 00:26:08,235 Speaker 1: then seeing which of two pitchers could pick off the 389 00:26:08,275 --> 00:26:11,315 Speaker 1: most base runners, or if a Super Bowl was tied 390 00:26:11,395 --> 00:26:14,555 Speaker 1: thirty nine thirty nine after regulation, and it went not 391 00:26:14,675 --> 00:26:18,315 Speaker 1: to overtime, but instead to a competition for the longest 392 00:26:18,475 --> 00:26:24,075 Speaker 1: punts a shootout. Soccer the sport of the future here 393 00:26:24,075 --> 00:26:29,355 Speaker 1: in America, always has been, always will be on. Everybody 394 00:26:29,475 --> 00:26:32,475 Speaker 1: Rest up now, because it's now the soccer off season, 395 00:26:32,755 --> 00:26:37,955 Speaker 1: which lasts until next Monday, when Brentford hosts taught New Matsburgh. 396 00:26:38,795 --> 00:26:41,435 Speaker 1: But to be fair, there is not another championship, at 397 00:26:41,475 --> 00:26:44,555 Speaker 1: least until the English Football League plays for the Papa 398 00:26:44,675 --> 00:26:48,755 Speaker 1: John's Trophy exactly three months from today. If they're tied, 399 00:26:48,875 --> 00:26:51,035 Speaker 1: that game will be decided by a round of rock 400 00:26:51,235 --> 00:26:56,035 Speaker 1: paper scissors. It's the World's game. NFL. After Minnesota's record 401 00:26:56,035 --> 00:26:58,955 Speaker 1: breaking comeback Saturday, down thirty three nothing at halftime, win 402 00:26:59,035 --> 00:27:03,035 Speaker 1: thirty ninety six in overtime against Indianapolis, the Las Vegas 403 00:27:03,155 --> 00:27:06,315 Speaker 1: Raiders led the New England Patriots seventeen to three at 404 00:27:06,315 --> 00:27:09,875 Speaker 1: the half. Yesterday, the Pats scored twenty one unanswered points. 405 00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:12,555 Speaker 1: It was tied at twenty four. New England ran a 406 00:27:12,595 --> 00:27:16,235 Speaker 1: wacky package of laterals in hopes of avoiding overtime, but 407 00:27:16,355 --> 00:27:20,475 Speaker 1: the Patriots Jacoby Myers through it directly to the Raiders 408 00:27:20,555 --> 00:27:24,115 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones for the game losing touchdown. That is what 409 00:27:24,195 --> 00:27:27,875 Speaker 1: you're good for being named after an injury law firm baseball, 410 00:27:27,915 --> 00:27:31,595 Speaker 1: the Aaron Judge Baseball. His sixty second home run was 411 00:27:31,675 --> 00:27:34,955 Speaker 1: auctioned Saturday night for one and one half million dollars. 412 00:27:35,475 --> 00:27:39,395 Speaker 1: The fan who caught it, Corey Yeoman's, had turned down 413 00:27:39,795 --> 00:27:43,515 Speaker 1: a private offer of three million dollars for it. Corey 414 00:27:43,755 --> 00:27:56,275 Speaker 1: is an investment broker, or at least he was. Thank you, 415 00:27:56,395 --> 00:28:00,075 Speaker 1: Nancy Faust and a baseball free agent signing. ESPN reporting 416 00:28:00,075 --> 00:28:02,715 Speaker 1: the Boston Red Sox signed thirty eight year old x 417 00:28:02,875 --> 00:28:06,195 Speaker 1: l A Dodger infielder Justin Earner for eleven million a 418 00:28:06,275 --> 00:28:09,555 Speaker 1: year for two years. It's not for me to question 419 00:28:09,595 --> 00:28:12,355 Speaker 1: the wisdom of the last place team in the American 420 00:28:12,435 --> 00:28:15,475 Speaker 1: League East, but the Dodgers did pay Turner two million 421 00:28:15,515 --> 00:28:18,635 Speaker 1: dollars last month just so they did not have to 422 00:28:18,715 --> 00:28:29,595 Speaker 1: keep him and pay him sixteen million next year. My 423 00:28:29,715 --> 00:28:33,715 Speaker 1: top three suspensions of all time. The Twitter thing does 424 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:37,115 Speaker 1: not make the cut. Coming up in Things I Promised 425 00:28:37,155 --> 00:28:40,235 Speaker 1: not to tell. First, the daily roundup of the misgrants, 426 00:28:40,235 --> 00:28:43,795 Speaker 1: morons and Dunning Kruger Effect specimens who constitute today's worst 427 00:28:43,955 --> 00:28:49,155 Speaker 1: persons in the world. Lebronze Larry Elder, they laugh out loud, 428 00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:51,995 Speaker 1: funny without knowing it, right winger and former candidate for 429 00:28:52,075 --> 00:28:56,795 Speaker 1: governor of California. No, seriously, he spied the drama fire 430 00:28:56,915 --> 00:28:59,635 Speaker 1: on Twitter and hurried down to the Chevron for extra 431 00:28:59,715 --> 00:29:04,195 Speaker 1: gas courting Larry Elder. If Adolph Hitler mout say tongue 432 00:29:04,195 --> 00:29:06,795 Speaker 1: and Emil and Musk were walking down the street and 433 00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:09,675 Speaker 1: you gave an American lefty a gun with two bullets, 434 00:29:09,915 --> 00:29:14,515 Speaker 1: he'd put both in elon Musk gross enough by itself, 435 00:29:14,515 --> 00:29:18,955 Speaker 1: but then Musk replied and miss both times. Funny dog. 436 00:29:19,035 --> 00:29:21,835 Speaker 1: One thing. Musk never objected to the image of him 437 00:29:21,875 --> 00:29:26,595 Speaker 1: walking down the street with Hitler and Mao. The runner 438 00:29:26,675 --> 00:29:30,795 Speaker 1: up Marjorie Trailer Park Green again. Do you remember this 439 00:29:30,955 --> 00:29:43,435 Speaker 1: from her? I would have won January sixth speech. Yes, 440 00:29:43,555 --> 00:29:48,555 Speaker 1: we moved from Target and CBS to Walmarch Marjorie Trailer 441 00:29:48,635 --> 00:29:52,075 Speaker 1: Park Green riding on Trump's website. Walmart, many of your 442 00:29:52,115 --> 00:29:55,755 Speaker 1: customers in my district are reaching out to me about 443 00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:59,275 Speaker 1: sex toys being sold in your Dalton store. Yes, it 444 00:29:59,355 --> 00:30:03,675 Speaker 1: was customers who reached out to Marge. It's not her 445 00:30:04,275 --> 00:30:06,395 Speaker 1: just because she knows that all the sex toys are 446 00:30:06,395 --> 00:30:10,515 Speaker 1: being sold at these three stores and where in the stores. 447 00:30:11,355 --> 00:30:15,195 Speaker 1: To resume the quote, They're extremely upset and absolutely hard 448 00:30:15,195 --> 00:30:19,555 Speaker 1: find that sex toys are being sold openly right next 449 00:30:19,595 --> 00:30:24,515 Speaker 1: to children's toothbrushes. This is grooming. Well it's not grooming, 450 00:30:24,515 --> 00:30:27,035 Speaker 1: but that's not the point. See what Marge is actually 451 00:30:27,115 --> 00:30:30,875 Speaker 1: upset about is she's offended by the presence of toothbrushes 452 00:30:31,315 --> 00:30:35,955 Speaker 1: in her sex toy aisle clean up on Aisle seven. 453 00:30:37,755 --> 00:30:41,835 Speaker 1: But our winner Chris Licked, chairman and chief executive officer 454 00:30:41,915 --> 00:30:45,475 Speaker 1: of CNN Worldwide, who when we were at MSNBC together, 455 00:30:45,515 --> 00:30:48,595 Speaker 1: I thought used to eat paste. Big New York Times 456 00:30:48,635 --> 00:30:53,435 Speaker 1: profile yesterday, in which Licked spent about twenty paragraphs emphasizing 457 00:30:53,675 --> 00:30:56,915 Speaker 1: that he's the real victim here and insisting that when 458 00:30:56,955 --> 00:30:59,275 Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert tried to talk him out of taking the 459 00:30:59,275 --> 00:31:03,035 Speaker 1: CNN job, he told Colbert, no, this is a calling. 460 00:31:04,035 --> 00:31:06,875 Speaker 1: Let me read your paragraph ten of the article by 461 00:31:06,955 --> 00:31:11,315 Speaker 1: James B. Steward at The Times quote. A chorus of 462 00:31:11,435 --> 00:31:15,315 Speaker 1: media pundits has pounced on every tidbit of bad news. 463 00:31:15,755 --> 00:31:19,835 Speaker 1: Mr Licht's early programming efforts aimed at repositioning the network 464 00:31:20,035 --> 00:31:24,995 Speaker 1: as broader and less partisan, have prompted howls of criticism, 465 00:31:25,195 --> 00:31:30,995 Speaker 1: Oh of criticism, with former MSNBC host and former colleague 466 00:31:31,075 --> 00:31:35,315 Speaker 1: Keith Olberman publicly calling Mr Licht a quote TV fascist 467 00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:39,035 Speaker 1: after he moved Don Lemon, a liberal host, from a 468 00:31:39,075 --> 00:31:44,755 Speaker 1: primetime slot to a revamped morning show. How of criticism, 469 00:31:44,875 --> 00:31:49,795 Speaker 1: to which Licked answered, quote the uninformed vitriol, especially from 470 00:31:49,835 --> 00:31:56,315 Speaker 1: the left has been stunning. Dude, we worked in adjoining 471 00:31:56,395 --> 00:32:01,995 Speaker 1: offices for like four years. Mine is thoroughly informed vitriol. 472 00:32:02,955 --> 00:32:06,195 Speaker 1: But seriously, and let me just turn the music down 473 00:32:06,715 --> 00:32:09,555 Speaker 1: just for a second here. Seriously, Chris, for the sake 474 00:32:09,635 --> 00:32:11,595 Speaker 1: of the fact that I used to work at CNN, 475 00:32:12,155 --> 00:32:15,355 Speaker 1: and someday, very soon, you too will also be able 476 00:32:15,395 --> 00:32:18,155 Speaker 1: to say that you used to work at CNN. May 477 00:32:18,195 --> 00:32:23,555 Speaker 1: I offer helpful vitriol, Chris Licked? Maybe just hear me out. 478 00:32:23,795 --> 00:32:26,915 Speaker 1: Maybe you should post a Twitter poll that reads, should 479 00:32:26,955 --> 00:32:29,875 Speaker 1: I step down his head of CNN? I will abide 480 00:32:29,875 --> 00:32:33,835 Speaker 1: by the results of this pole, Chris, What do you 481 00:32:33,875 --> 00:32:42,515 Speaker 1: mean nobody voted no Licked Today's worst person? How the 482 00:32:42,595 --> 00:32:57,315 Speaker 1: betrill in the world to the number one story on 483 00:32:57,355 --> 00:33:00,395 Speaker 1: the Countdown? And my favorite topic, me and things I 484 00:33:00,475 --> 00:33:04,355 Speaker 1: promised not to tell, and I knew that someday this 485 00:33:04,715 --> 00:33:07,955 Speaker 1: would come in handy. I mean, how many people do 486 00:33:08,075 --> 00:33:12,195 Speaker 1: you know who are involved in the apartheid Clyde drama 487 00:33:12,275 --> 00:33:15,395 Speaker 1: at Twitter? Who can say to you, ah, I know, 488 00:33:15,475 --> 00:33:19,115 Speaker 1: this doesn't even make my list of my top three suspensions. 489 00:33:20,075 --> 00:33:24,115 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing with Muscus just stupid. It is 490 00:33:24,315 --> 00:33:29,115 Speaker 1: defamatory and it's CD, but it's not dramatic because each 491 00:33:29,115 --> 00:33:31,915 Speaker 1: time he tweets something else, it gets more and more 492 00:33:33,515 --> 00:33:37,275 Speaker 1: stupid and less and less connected to reality. And trust me, 493 00:33:37,355 --> 00:33:40,875 Speaker 1: the main storyline with my suspension by Twitter is not 494 00:33:40,995 --> 00:33:44,395 Speaker 1: my suspension with Twitter. It's the psycho drama going on, 495 00:33:44,875 --> 00:33:49,435 Speaker 1: the arguments among the many voices inside Elon Musk's head 496 00:33:50,395 --> 00:33:54,995 Speaker 1: for real drama and thus real fun. I give you 497 00:33:55,555 --> 00:34:01,995 Speaker 1: up I, ESPN and MSNBC two thousand and ten. Which 498 00:34:02,075 --> 00:34:06,355 Speaker 1: of these suspensions will you be talking about? Sorrow? So 499 00:34:06,475 --> 00:34:10,395 Speaker 1: my third favorite suspension in the countdown up I United 500 00:34:10,395 --> 00:34:13,355 Speaker 1: pres International, whose radio network was called up I Audio, 501 00:34:13,435 --> 00:34:15,955 Speaker 1: where I broke in as a full time broadcaster summer nine. 502 00:34:17,115 --> 00:34:19,955 Speaker 1: The sports director Sam Rosen still the voice of the 503 00:34:19,955 --> 00:34:22,955 Speaker 1: New York Rangers on television. Was half listening to an 504 00:34:22,995 --> 00:34:26,235 Speaker 1: audition tape of my college broadcasts with me in the 505 00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:28,515 Speaker 1: room with him in March of that year, and then 506 00:34:28,675 --> 00:34:31,995 Speaker 1: Sam suddenly was completely listening to it. He stopped the 507 00:34:31,995 --> 00:34:35,395 Speaker 1: tape and he said to me, you do this every day. 508 00:34:35,755 --> 00:34:39,555 Speaker 1: I nodded, and he said, six months ago, first opening here. 509 00:34:39,555 --> 00:34:42,715 Speaker 1: In seven years. We listened to two hundred tapes. The 510 00:34:42,755 --> 00:34:45,835 Speaker 1: guy we hired, his tape wasn't half as good as yours. 511 00:34:46,835 --> 00:34:49,355 Speaker 1: Great feeling and a terrible one at the same time. 512 00:34:49,635 --> 00:34:52,515 Speaker 1: But four months later, on the second of July, their 513 00:34:52,635 --> 00:34:57,155 Speaker 1: senior sportscaster quit effective in two weeks. Because the holiday 514 00:34:57,235 --> 00:35:01,395 Speaker 1: was a Wednesday, July four, they had no chance to 515 00:35:01,515 --> 00:35:04,795 Speaker 1: hire somebody who already had a job, or anybody who 516 00:35:04,835 --> 00:35:07,195 Speaker 1: didn't already live in New York. An entire week of 517 00:35:07,275 --> 00:35:11,475 Speaker 1: interviewing and choosing was lost to the calendar. I had 518 00:35:11,475 --> 00:35:13,795 Speaker 1: graduated a month before, and the phone rang at my 519 00:35:13,835 --> 00:35:16,635 Speaker 1: folks house in the suburbs, and stand Sabik, who ran 520 00:35:16,675 --> 00:35:19,875 Speaker 1: the radio network, asked, tired of sitting around the town 521 00:35:19,955 --> 00:35:23,715 Speaker 1: pool yet? I said, yes, be here Thursday at noon. 522 00:35:23,795 --> 00:35:26,835 Speaker 1: You're hired. And I'm mentioning him for a reason which 523 00:35:26,835 --> 00:35:28,795 Speaker 1: we will find out in just a moment. Now. It 524 00:35:28,795 --> 00:35:31,075 Speaker 1: did not hurt that up I was a union shop 525 00:35:31,315 --> 00:35:34,435 Speaker 1: and the union paid based on experience, and because I 526 00:35:34,475 --> 00:35:36,715 Speaker 1: had been a stringer four u p I, I was 527 00:35:36,795 --> 00:35:41,355 Speaker 1: granted sixteen days of experience. Thus they could pay me 528 00:35:41,635 --> 00:35:45,955 Speaker 1: sixteen thousand, five hundred and twenty eight dollars for my 529 00:35:46,075 --> 00:35:50,075 Speaker 1: first year rather than just sixteen thousand, five hundred. By 530 00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:52,275 Speaker 1: the following September, when I was twenty one years old, 531 00:35:52,355 --> 00:35:54,915 Speaker 1: up I had already had me joined Rosen and Sabik 532 00:35:54,995 --> 00:35:57,995 Speaker 1: covering the nineteen eighty Lake Plastic Winter Olympics, and had 533 00:35:58,035 --> 00:36:00,755 Speaker 1: America not boycotted the Summer Games that year, I would 534 00:36:00,755 --> 00:36:03,795 Speaker 1: have gone to Russia to cover the Summer Games nineteen 535 00:36:03,875 --> 00:36:07,715 Speaker 1: eighty alone. I still remember filling out the Soviet questionnaire, 536 00:36:07,755 --> 00:36:12,635 Speaker 1: and in particular one question what size boat deck shoe 537 00:36:12,835 --> 00:36:18,275 Speaker 1: is applicant wearing? Expected as it was, they were sending 538 00:36:18,275 --> 00:36:21,035 Speaker 1: me to cover in the World Series by myself in 539 00:36:21,035 --> 00:36:24,075 Speaker 1: a few weeks. As this story unfolds, which was pretty cool, 540 00:36:25,035 --> 00:36:27,435 Speaker 1: I had also been written up already in Sports Illustrated 541 00:36:27,435 --> 00:36:29,875 Speaker 1: because I had begun to collect recordings of athletes who 542 00:36:29,875 --> 00:36:34,395 Speaker 1: continually said, you know, during their answers. I made it 543 00:36:34,395 --> 00:36:37,555 Speaker 1: into a contest most you knows by an athlete per second. 544 00:36:37,915 --> 00:36:41,355 Speaker 1: This is also relevant to the story. The Canadian broadcasting 545 00:36:41,395 --> 00:36:44,275 Speaker 1: companies Radio Network read this thing in Sports Illustrated, and 546 00:36:44,275 --> 00:36:46,595 Speaker 1: they called me if I could do a long interview 547 00:36:46,595 --> 00:36:49,555 Speaker 1: with them and play a couple of the clips. Stand Sabic, 548 00:36:49,755 --> 00:36:52,915 Speaker 1: my boss's boss, said yes to the interview, but note 549 00:36:52,915 --> 00:36:55,755 Speaker 1: of the clips. We paid five dollars each for those, 550 00:36:56,195 --> 00:37:00,235 Speaker 1: he said, in complete seriousness. I said that was silly, 551 00:37:00,515 --> 00:37:03,795 Speaker 1: and Stan laughed, and I laughed, and he said that's silly. 552 00:37:04,035 --> 00:37:08,155 Speaker 1: And the answer still know that was Stan. One afternoon, 553 00:37:08,155 --> 00:37:10,275 Speaker 1: the Canadian producer called again to see if I could 554 00:37:10,275 --> 00:37:12,715 Speaker 1: persuade them to run the clips or otherwise they might 555 00:37:12,755 --> 00:37:15,715 Speaker 1: have to cancel the interview. As I was talking to him, 556 00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:19,035 Speaker 1: Stan Sabik walked past the desk I was sitting at. 557 00:37:19,355 --> 00:37:21,835 Speaker 1: He was in a bad mood about something else, and 558 00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:25,275 Speaker 1: he also heard things wrong and jumped to the wrong conclusion. 559 00:37:25,515 --> 00:37:28,675 Speaker 1: He decided that I was promising the Canadians the clips 560 00:37:29,235 --> 00:37:31,435 Speaker 1: when I was only promising them, and I would ask 561 00:37:31,515 --> 00:37:34,115 Speaker 1: him again. So now Stan yelled at me for real. 562 00:37:34,955 --> 00:37:38,595 Speaker 1: Now I had had three interviews with other potential employers 563 00:37:38,595 --> 00:37:41,475 Speaker 1: in Boston and New York in the preceding three months. 564 00:37:41,675 --> 00:37:43,715 Speaker 1: And while I was grateful to Stan and Sam and 565 00:37:43,835 --> 00:37:47,315 Speaker 1: U p I, I was making exactly five dollars a 566 00:37:47,355 --> 00:37:50,235 Speaker 1: month more than I was spending, even while on a 567 00:37:50,275 --> 00:37:53,355 Speaker 1: strict budget, and they were treating me pretty rough. So 568 00:37:53,475 --> 00:37:55,915 Speaker 1: I was ready to leave you, p I, and so 569 00:37:56,355 --> 00:38:00,075 Speaker 1: I yelled back at Stan. Finally I realized in the 570 00:38:00,075 --> 00:38:03,075 Speaker 1: midst of this yelling that Stan had misunderstood what had happened. 571 00:38:03,355 --> 00:38:06,115 Speaker 1: Why are you yelling at me? Yelled? I didn't promise 572 00:38:06,195 --> 00:38:08,435 Speaker 1: them the tape. I promised them I'd ask you again 573 00:38:08,475 --> 00:38:11,595 Speaker 1: about the tape. Stand calmed down just enough, but he 574 00:38:11,635 --> 00:38:14,355 Speaker 1: was still very loud when he said, okay, Christ Sorry, 575 00:38:14,475 --> 00:38:16,635 Speaker 1: why didn't you say that earlier? Last thing I ate 576 00:38:16,715 --> 00:38:20,355 Speaker 1: is a screaming match with you. You're louder than I am. 577 00:38:20,395 --> 00:38:23,475 Speaker 1: And he walked away, laughing. I did not know where 578 00:38:23,515 --> 00:38:26,315 Speaker 1: he went. Turned out he was going down to take 579 00:38:26,355 --> 00:38:30,115 Speaker 1: a walk on Fort Street to cool off, but before 580 00:38:30,115 --> 00:38:33,955 Speaker 1: he could get to the elevator, his boss yelled out 581 00:38:34,035 --> 00:38:37,835 Speaker 1: from his office at Stand. His boss was the general 582 00:38:37,875 --> 00:38:41,315 Speaker 1: manager of the network, Frank Shortino, and Frank had just 583 00:38:41,395 --> 00:38:44,555 Speaker 1: gotten back from lunch, and at lunch Frank never had 584 00:38:44,595 --> 00:38:48,035 Speaker 1: anything to eat, if you get my drift, but that 585 00:38:48,115 --> 00:38:51,475 Speaker 1: he was all that yelling about sabic stand started to explain, 586 00:38:51,555 --> 00:38:54,715 Speaker 1: but once he mentioned my name, Frank Shortino shot past 587 00:38:54,835 --> 00:38:57,635 Speaker 1: him and went to find me. Frank was about twice 588 00:38:57,715 --> 00:39:01,475 Speaker 1: my age, and bluntly that fact piste him off. He 589 00:39:01,515 --> 00:39:04,395 Speaker 1: found me in the splain small editing room where Sam 590 00:39:04,475 --> 00:39:06,675 Speaker 1: rose and had listened to my tape in March the 591 00:39:06,715 --> 00:39:10,835 Speaker 1: previous year, and Frank actually grabbed me by the shoulder. 592 00:39:11,115 --> 00:39:13,795 Speaker 1: You you don't give no lip to no managers. You 593 00:39:13,915 --> 00:39:15,715 Speaker 1: pack your stuff up and get the hell out of you. 594 00:39:15,835 --> 00:39:20,195 Speaker 1: You're fighted. After I recovered from the contact, high off 595 00:39:20,235 --> 00:39:24,195 Speaker 1: the alcohol on his breadth, I found myself starting to 596 00:39:24,355 --> 00:39:28,115 Speaker 1: lunge towards him. Frank was doubt was a better fighter 597 00:39:28,115 --> 00:39:29,875 Speaker 1: than I would be, but I was half a foot 598 00:39:29,915 --> 00:39:33,355 Speaker 1: taller and I was ready to go. I stopped myself 599 00:39:33,355 --> 00:39:35,355 Speaker 1: in lest time than it took to read this sentence, 600 00:39:35,475 --> 00:39:38,595 Speaker 1: and I walked past him, got my stuff and went home. 601 00:39:39,355 --> 00:39:41,715 Speaker 1: And as I wondered where I would get the October 602 00:39:41,795 --> 00:39:45,195 Speaker 1: rent from the phone rang it was Sam Rosen. Don't 603 00:39:45,195 --> 00:39:47,515 Speaker 1: do anything, just be cool, the union will never let 604 00:39:47,555 --> 00:39:52,075 Speaker 1: this happen. I was astonished. Really, yeah, the the wire 605 00:39:52,115 --> 00:39:55,275 Speaker 1: Guild is useless about money, but job insecurity. Please, he 606 00:39:55,355 --> 00:39:57,475 Speaker 1: can't fire you because he doesn't like you, because you're 607 00:39:57,955 --> 00:40:00,115 Speaker 1: one and I don't know if you're noticed. But he 608 00:40:00,155 --> 00:40:03,635 Speaker 1: was drunk, Sam paused, I mean even for him, he 609 00:40:03,715 --> 00:40:07,395 Speaker 1: was drunk. Just stay cool. I had the next two 610 00:40:07,475 --> 00:40:09,795 Speaker 1: days off anyway, so there wasn't much else for me 611 00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:13,675 Speaker 1: to do but stay cool. The phone rang early on Tuesday, 612 00:40:13,675 --> 00:40:16,235 Speaker 1: and it was the union shop steward. They had just 613 00:40:16,355 --> 00:40:19,755 Speaker 1: had their third hearing about me, and he wanted to 614 00:40:19,795 --> 00:40:22,315 Speaker 1: report that I had not been fired, that I had 615 00:40:22,355 --> 00:40:25,475 Speaker 1: been suspended, but then I should report to work as 616 00:40:25,515 --> 00:40:28,635 Speaker 1: scheduled on Thursday, and that while u p i S 617 00:40:28,675 --> 00:40:31,035 Speaker 1: personnel director was going to write a warning letter to 618 00:40:31,075 --> 00:40:33,675 Speaker 1: put in my file about the argument with Stan Sabic, 619 00:40:34,315 --> 00:40:37,275 Speaker 1: and write another letter that would go into Shortino's file too. 620 00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:42,115 Speaker 1: They had managed to compromise about something crucial. They insisted 621 00:40:42,155 --> 00:40:44,355 Speaker 1: you had to be punished in some way. The shop 622 00:40:44,395 --> 00:40:48,275 Speaker 1: steward said, so Monday, when you got fired, you will 623 00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:51,915 Speaker 1: be considered suspended but paid for that day, but it 624 00:40:51,955 --> 00:40:55,075 Speaker 1: will be counted against you. As a day off. Best 625 00:40:55,115 --> 00:40:59,315 Speaker 1: I could do, I laughed. I was grateful. Wait there's more, 626 00:40:59,395 --> 00:41:01,595 Speaker 1: he said. You should know that the human resource guy 627 00:41:01,675 --> 00:41:04,595 Speaker 1: sent Shortino home Monday afternoon for being drunk at work, 628 00:41:04,795 --> 00:41:08,035 Speaker 1: for firing you without cause. He's also being charged with 629 00:41:08,115 --> 00:41:14,595 Speaker 1: the day off. Now that was a great suspension. The 630 00:41:14,635 --> 00:41:17,035 Speaker 1: second best suspension I've ever had was one I've already 631 00:41:17,035 --> 00:41:19,515 Speaker 1: mentioned here previously. In two thousand and ten, for the 632 00:41:19,595 --> 00:41:23,955 Speaker 1: third consecutive time I anchored the elections for MSNBC. We 633 00:41:23,955 --> 00:41:26,875 Speaker 1: were focused that year entirely on the Senate and the 634 00:41:26,915 --> 00:41:29,635 Speaker 1: governor's races. That made no sense to me, but I 635 00:41:29,675 --> 00:41:32,035 Speaker 1: didn't make that call, but it had been the plan 636 00:41:32,155 --> 00:41:34,835 Speaker 1: also since our first meeting about election night, which had 637 00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:37,835 Speaker 1: happened in August or September. Don't discuss the House, or 638 00:41:37,915 --> 00:41:41,355 Speaker 1: for that matter, the Rand Paul blowout win for the 639 00:41:41,395 --> 00:41:43,675 Speaker 1: Senate in Kentucky. So I was at the anchor desk 640 00:41:43,715 --> 00:41:46,715 Speaker 1: for the mid terms, and in seven or eight hours 641 00:41:46,715 --> 00:41:48,955 Speaker 1: on the year, I did not mention one House race 642 00:41:49,115 --> 00:41:53,275 Speaker 1: or candidate. Everything was fine. MSNBC had its best election 643 00:41:53,395 --> 00:41:56,515 Speaker 1: night ratings ever. And then somebody called one of the 644 00:41:56,555 --> 00:42:00,155 Speaker 1: political websites to say, who Alverman made campaign donations to 645 00:42:00,275 --> 00:42:03,075 Speaker 1: some Democrats in the House races and did that Democratic 646 00:42:03,115 --> 00:42:07,515 Speaker 1: senator race in Kentucky. And they called NBC public Relations, 647 00:42:07,515 --> 00:42:10,635 Speaker 1: and NBC public Relations called the president of MSNBC, and 648 00:42:10,715 --> 00:42:12,715 Speaker 1: he called me in my car on the way home 649 00:42:12,755 --> 00:42:14,955 Speaker 1: from the show, and I said, yeah, that's true. A 650 00:42:14,995 --> 00:42:16,875 Speaker 1: friend of mine asked me to donate to those three 651 00:42:16,915 --> 00:42:20,475 Speaker 1: campaigns because their candidates had received death threats a lot 652 00:42:20,515 --> 00:42:22,595 Speaker 1: of them, and each of them had gone into debt 653 00:42:22,675 --> 00:42:27,035 Speaker 1: buying extra security. One of them was the campaign of 654 00:42:27,075 --> 00:42:30,635 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Gabby Gifford's and the friend who convinced me to 655 00:42:30,755 --> 00:42:33,955 Speaker 1: donate to her campaign and to try to buy off 656 00:42:34,075 --> 00:42:39,875 Speaker 1: some of her security debts was Arizona State Representative Kirsten Cinema. 657 00:42:40,475 --> 00:42:44,195 Speaker 1: So the MSNBC president, who didn't know those details, said, 658 00:42:44,355 --> 00:42:46,235 Speaker 1: this looks bad. I know it's your right to do it. 659 00:42:46,235 --> 00:42:48,315 Speaker 1: It's not like we're gonna suspend you or anything stupid 660 00:42:48,355 --> 00:42:50,875 Speaker 1: like that, and and this is sort of our fault too, 661 00:42:50,875 --> 00:42:53,595 Speaker 1: but it just looks bad. Can can you say something, 662 00:42:53,875 --> 00:42:57,035 Speaker 1: anything you can do? And I said, yeah, it does 663 00:42:57,075 --> 00:43:00,835 Speaker 1: look bad. You're right, I'll apologize on the show tomorrow. 664 00:43:00,955 --> 00:43:04,355 Speaker 1: And I know I don't have to. I'll voluntarily stop 665 00:43:04,395 --> 00:43:08,355 Speaker 1: any campaign contributions as long as I'm doing the newscast 666 00:43:08,475 --> 00:43:11,115 Speaker 1: or the show or the anchoring of the elections or whatever. 667 00:43:11,555 --> 00:43:13,915 Speaker 1: Let me think about it. And he said great, and 668 00:43:13,955 --> 00:43:16,915 Speaker 1: I said great. And he asked me about the Mets. 669 00:43:17,275 --> 00:43:19,435 Speaker 1: And I went home and wrote the apology that night 670 00:43:19,475 --> 00:43:21,195 Speaker 1: and I sent it to him and he said that's great, 671 00:43:21,435 --> 00:43:23,995 Speaker 1: and I said great. And I said, also, it's great. 672 00:43:23,995 --> 00:43:25,915 Speaker 1: I already have part of tomorrow show written. And that 673 00:43:25,995 --> 00:43:30,355 Speaker 1: was it. The next morning, without a hearing, without a 674 00:43:30,355 --> 00:43:34,355 Speaker 1: phone call, without an email, without any warning, his boss, 675 00:43:34,835 --> 00:43:39,555 Speaker 1: the president of NBC News, this hysterical teenager disguised as 676 00:43:39,555 --> 00:43:43,835 Speaker 1: an adult named Steve Cappus. Steve Cappus puts out a 677 00:43:43,875 --> 00:43:48,915 Speaker 1: press release in which he angrily suspends me indefinitely without 678 00:43:49,035 --> 00:43:53,915 Speaker 1: pay and specifies it is for violations of the NBC 679 00:43:53,995 --> 00:43:58,555 Speaker 1: News Employee rule Book. The NBC News employee rule book 680 00:43:58,555 --> 00:44:03,515 Speaker 1: says NBC News employees cannot make donations to political campaigns. 681 00:44:05,395 --> 00:44:09,075 Speaker 1: NBC had a huge problem that Steve Kappus did not 682 00:44:09,275 --> 00:44:13,355 Speaker 1: know or intentionally had forgotten Number one. Within hours, there 683 00:44:13,395 --> 00:44:16,515 Speaker 1: was a petition on social media demanding my reinstatement two 684 00:44:16,595 --> 00:44:21,275 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand signatures. Then NBC tried to get 685 00:44:21,355 --> 00:44:23,795 Speaker 1: Chris Hayes to fill in for me that night. I 686 00:44:23,835 --> 00:44:25,995 Speaker 1: have a lot of problems with Chris's work since then, 687 00:44:26,035 --> 00:44:29,275 Speaker 1: but to his eternal credit in my book, he refused 688 00:44:29,315 --> 00:44:32,195 Speaker 1: to sit in for me. He was not under contract then, 689 00:44:32,435 --> 00:44:35,235 Speaker 1: and he told the MSNBC management that suspending me was 690 00:44:35,315 --> 00:44:40,155 Speaker 1: stupid and unjustified. Even people at Fox News went on 691 00:44:40,195 --> 00:44:43,315 Speaker 1: the air that night and said this is absurd. I 692 00:44:43,355 --> 00:44:46,075 Speaker 1: believe one of the quotes was, are we supposed to 693 00:44:46,075 --> 00:44:49,875 Speaker 1: be surprised Keith Alderman is a Democrat? And is he 694 00:44:49,955 --> 00:44:53,355 Speaker 1: not allowed to donate because he does a liberal commentary 695 00:44:53,355 --> 00:44:57,835 Speaker 1: show on a liberal network. Well what they didn't know, though, 696 00:44:57,995 --> 00:45:00,075 Speaker 1: was at NBC there was a lot of shushing and 697 00:45:00,075 --> 00:45:05,115 Speaker 1: worrying because everybody at NBC News made political donations. They 698 00:45:05,195 --> 00:45:09,115 Speaker 1: just hid them by donating in their wife's name or 699 00:45:09,155 --> 00:45:11,675 Speaker 1: the kid's name or whoever. I was the only one 700 00:45:11,675 --> 00:45:15,355 Speaker 1: who had ever been honest about it. But this guy 701 00:45:15,435 --> 00:45:18,195 Speaker 1: Cappus dug in and demanded that I'd be suspended for 702 00:45:18,235 --> 00:45:21,475 Speaker 1: a month without pay at least. And all this was 703 00:45:21,555 --> 00:45:24,355 Speaker 1: public and well documented and the next thing I knew, 704 00:45:24,595 --> 00:45:29,395 Speaker 1: that petition was disseminated on of all places, Twitter, two 705 00:45:29,635 --> 00:45:34,675 Speaker 1: signatures before nightfall. What everybody did not know was the 706 00:45:34,795 --> 00:45:39,475 Speaker 1: part that occurred inside thirty Rock. That afternoon, NBC lawyers 707 00:45:39,555 --> 00:45:42,595 Speaker 1: called up this kid, Steve Campus, and said, as I 708 00:45:42,635 --> 00:45:46,795 Speaker 1: was told, you, idiot, have you ever read his contract? 709 00:45:47,155 --> 00:45:52,675 Speaker 1: You suspended him for violating the NBC News employee rule book. Listen, 710 00:45:52,795 --> 00:45:58,315 Speaker 1: Moron Alderman is not an NBC News employee. We wrote 711 00:45:58,355 --> 00:46:02,275 Speaker 1: the contract, so it specifically declares several different times, on 712 00:46:02,435 --> 00:46:06,475 Speaker 1: several different pages, that he is not an employee, that 713 00:46:06,515 --> 00:46:11,875 Speaker 1: he's an independent contractor. Remember, and now Cappus screams at 714 00:46:11,915 --> 00:46:14,395 Speaker 1: the lawyers and he says, why did you do that? 715 00:46:14,955 --> 00:46:18,875 Speaker 1: And the lawyers say, we did that us, And you 716 00:46:19,155 --> 00:46:22,635 Speaker 1: remember you told us that we should do that so 717 00:46:22,755 --> 00:46:26,195 Speaker 1: you could save money from your news budget, because if 718 00:46:26,275 --> 00:46:29,995 Speaker 1: Keith wasn't an NBC News employee, you would not have 719 00:46:30,075 --> 00:46:36,355 Speaker 1: to pay him health insurance and dental. Apparently. There was 720 00:46:36,395 --> 00:46:40,195 Speaker 1: then a very long silence, followed by the repeated use 721 00:46:40,195 --> 00:46:44,555 Speaker 1: of the phrase breached the contract, and the lawyers saying 722 00:46:44,555 --> 00:46:48,155 Speaker 1: there were now four options for Cappus, one reinstate the 723 00:46:48,235 --> 00:46:51,675 Speaker 1: non employee immediately and hope we don't get sued by 724 00:46:51,755 --> 00:46:56,635 Speaker 1: him to reinstate the non employee, immediately, apologize and write 725 00:46:56,675 --> 00:47:00,835 Speaker 1: a new contract. Three end the show, pay the non 726 00:47:00,955 --> 00:47:04,595 Speaker 1: employee the fifteen or sixteen million dollars you owe him 727 00:47:04,795 --> 00:47:07,195 Speaker 1: for the remainder of the contract, and hope we don't 728 00:47:07,235 --> 00:47:10,795 Speaker 1: get sued for damages beyond that. Or four, throw a 729 00:47:10,875 --> 00:47:13,915 Speaker 1: lot of money in the air at him and negotiate 730 00:47:13,955 --> 00:47:17,995 Speaker 1: a settlement and end the show in the short term. 731 00:47:18,035 --> 00:47:20,235 Speaker 1: What happened was they told me on a Friday I 732 00:47:20,315 --> 00:47:23,915 Speaker 1: was suspended. On Tuesday, I was back on the air, 733 00:47:24,235 --> 00:47:27,235 Speaker 1: and just like at U P I, they couldn't even 734 00:47:27,355 --> 00:47:30,715 Speaker 1: dock my pay or charge me days off for Friday 735 00:47:30,875 --> 00:47:36,515 Speaker 1: or Monday. I got a four day weekend morons, making 736 00:47:36,555 --> 00:47:42,275 Speaker 1: this even wilder. Hours after I was non suspended, Al 737 00:47:42,475 --> 00:47:46,915 Speaker 1: Gore called me. Al owned a struggling TV network called Current, 738 00:47:46,955 --> 00:47:49,955 Speaker 1: and he said, what NBC doing is illegal, and if 739 00:47:49,955 --> 00:47:51,875 Speaker 1: you suthe them, you could own the place. But I 740 00:47:51,915 --> 00:47:53,515 Speaker 1: think I have a better idea that can be the 741 00:47:53,555 --> 00:47:57,475 Speaker 1: start of something big. Bring countdown to Current TV. We'll 742 00:47:57,515 --> 00:48:00,795 Speaker 1: give you fifty million dollars plus bonuses, plus a piece 743 00:48:00,835 --> 00:48:07,715 Speaker 1: of the network, you'll be an owner. Well, that didn't 744 00:48:07,715 --> 00:48:11,155 Speaker 1: work out from a programming sense, kind of worked out 745 00:48:11,195 --> 00:48:14,395 Speaker 1: from a money sense. Anyway, years later, I was talking 746 00:48:14,435 --> 00:48:17,475 Speaker 1: to the new owners of NBC Comcast about going back there, 747 00:48:17,515 --> 00:48:20,795 Speaker 1: and their head of All News division said, yeah, Cappus. 748 00:48:20,875 --> 00:48:23,955 Speaker 1: I had to fire him, she said, after he told 749 00:48:23,955 --> 00:48:26,675 Speaker 1: me to my face he would never take orders from 750 00:48:26,675 --> 00:48:30,275 Speaker 1: a woman. So that's two of them. That still is 751 00:48:30,275 --> 00:48:33,715 Speaker 1: not my favorite suspension. This one is in the spring 752 00:48:33,755 --> 00:48:37,555 Speaker 1: of nine, a book about Sports Center that Dan Patrick 753 00:48:37,595 --> 00:48:40,875 Speaker 1: and I had written came out, and the publicists asked 754 00:48:40,995 --> 00:48:44,675 Speaker 1: us to get written approval and permission from ESPN that 755 00:48:44,715 --> 00:48:47,635 Speaker 1: we could promote the booking almost any fashion other than 756 00:48:48,075 --> 00:48:51,795 Speaker 1: like appearing on other TV sports shows. The executive vice 757 00:48:51,795 --> 00:48:54,275 Speaker 1: president of the ESPN, Howard Kats, was great about it. 758 00:48:54,315 --> 00:48:56,395 Speaker 1: He wrote a memo, he signed it, he had the 759 00:48:56,395 --> 00:48:59,315 Speaker 1: head of human resources sign it, and off we went 760 00:48:59,755 --> 00:49:03,075 Speaker 1: with permission to promote the show anyway we needed to. 761 00:49:04,115 --> 00:49:07,595 Speaker 1: And Cray Kilborn, who used to share the desk with 762 00:49:07,635 --> 00:49:11,995 Speaker 1: me and the computer because it was two sportscasters per 763 00:49:12,035 --> 00:49:16,235 Speaker 1: computer in those days. Kilborn had just recently left ESPN 764 00:49:16,235 --> 00:49:18,715 Speaker 1: to become the first host of the Daily Show on 765 00:49:18,835 --> 00:49:21,835 Speaker 1: Comedy Central. He asked me to come on with him 766 00:49:21,955 --> 00:49:24,275 Speaker 1: to promote the book. He told me we would pre 767 00:49:24,355 --> 00:49:26,795 Speaker 1: tape the interview then they'd run it in a week 768 00:49:26,875 --> 00:49:29,635 Speaker 1: or so, so I had some time before then. I 769 00:49:29,715 --> 00:49:32,995 Speaker 1: had to warn ESPN that the interview was coming. We 770 00:49:33,035 --> 00:49:35,755 Speaker 1: went out to dinner afterwards, and that same night, to 771 00:49:35,915 --> 00:49:38,715 Speaker 1: my shock, the interview ran on the show and I 772 00:49:38,835 --> 00:49:41,755 Speaker 1: called Kilborn back up, and he said the guest for 773 00:49:41,875 --> 00:49:46,635 Speaker 1: tonight show bailed out Saren Kal In the interview Kilborn 774 00:49:46,795 --> 00:49:50,395 Speaker 1: and remember this is a comedy show. He gave me 775 00:49:50,475 --> 00:49:54,315 Speaker 1: his standard stick, this five question quiz, and one of 776 00:49:54,315 --> 00:49:57,355 Speaker 1: the questions was and he said, this one is the 777 00:49:57,435 --> 00:50:02,235 Speaker 1: most gun Fransinkan town on the East coast. Craig had 778 00:50:02,235 --> 00:50:05,755 Speaker 1: not left ESPN happily, and hey did every minute of 779 00:50:05,755 --> 00:50:07,635 Speaker 1: it to such a degree that he made me look 780 00:50:07,675 --> 00:50:11,395 Speaker 1: like a big, big loyal fan. So, of course, to 781 00:50:11,555 --> 00:50:14,595 Speaker 1: him being on his comedy show, I answered the question 782 00:50:14,915 --> 00:50:17,035 Speaker 1: when is the mouse gone? For Sankin town on the 783 00:50:17,075 --> 00:50:22,675 Speaker 1: East coast with Bristol, Connecticut, I didn't really feel that way. 784 00:50:22,795 --> 00:50:26,195 Speaker 1: Of course, Bristol was remote and a little grim, and 785 00:50:26,395 --> 00:50:28,795 Speaker 1: boy didn't get out of snow. But it was a 786 00:50:28,835 --> 00:50:31,835 Speaker 1: pleasant enough place, and I always been treated well there 787 00:50:31,875 --> 00:50:34,555 Speaker 1: by the natives, and even I recognized that if I 788 00:50:34,595 --> 00:50:36,315 Speaker 1: had had a family, it would have been a great 789 00:50:36,355 --> 00:50:39,715 Speaker 1: place to live, and still is. What I had said 790 00:50:39,795 --> 00:50:44,515 Speaker 1: was obviously a joke. This is not, however, how the 791 00:50:44,555 --> 00:50:48,195 Speaker 1: local newspaper viewed it. They put it on page one 792 00:50:48,795 --> 00:50:51,955 Speaker 1: with a color picture of me and a five column 793 00:50:51,955 --> 00:50:57,475 Speaker 1: headline like ESPNS Alderman Semicolon Bristol, most godforsaken town on 794 00:50:57,555 --> 00:51:01,275 Speaker 1: East Coast. When I got back from my time off 795 00:51:01,315 --> 00:51:03,995 Speaker 1: there a day or two later, boss has called me 796 00:51:03,995 --> 00:51:05,915 Speaker 1: into the office of the vice president in charge of 797 00:51:05,915 --> 00:51:09,235 Speaker 1: Sports Center, man named John Walsh. And John Walsh accused 798 00:51:09,235 --> 00:51:12,195 Speaker 1: me of going on Killborn show without permission, and I 799 00:51:12,275 --> 00:51:14,755 Speaker 1: handed him the note his boss had written for me 800 00:51:14,795 --> 00:51:18,235 Speaker 1: about promoting the Sports Center book. John Walsh was very 801 00:51:18,275 --> 00:51:22,795 Speaker 1: surprised by that note. Well, he finally said, there's also 802 00:51:22,875 --> 00:51:25,155 Speaker 1: this other matter of these recordings you made for Major 803 00:51:25,235 --> 00:51:29,915 Speaker 1: League Baseball without our authorization. Now that stumped me for 804 00:51:29,955 --> 00:51:32,955 Speaker 1: a second. I didn't know what he meant. Then I remembered, 805 00:51:33,555 --> 00:51:37,355 Speaker 1: and I said, the public service announcements, the ones they're 806 00:51:37,395 --> 00:51:39,795 Speaker 1: running on the stadium scoreboards in like four or five 807 00:51:39,835 --> 00:51:43,955 Speaker 1: of the ballparks, the ones that are against chewing tobacco. 808 00:51:44,355 --> 00:51:49,275 Speaker 1: The public service messages that I voiced against cancer, and 809 00:51:49,315 --> 00:51:52,515 Speaker 1: Walt said, yes, that's what I mean. They were going 810 00:51:52,555 --> 00:51:57,555 Speaker 1: to suspend me for doing them without permission. The next 811 00:51:57,595 --> 00:52:00,915 Speaker 1: forty eight hours was basically just me pleading with everybody 812 00:52:00,955 --> 00:52:03,675 Speaker 1: I knew in management to not reveal that they were 813 00:52:03,715 --> 00:52:08,755 Speaker 1: suspending me for doing anti cancer public service announcements. I said, 814 00:52:08,795 --> 00:52:12,115 Speaker 1: either don't mention the cancer part, or don't say it's 815 00:52:12,115 --> 00:52:15,355 Speaker 1: a suspension. Say it's a vacation. You and I can 816 00:52:15,435 --> 00:52:18,715 Speaker 1: talk about it as a suspension, but don't tell anybody 817 00:52:18,755 --> 00:52:23,715 Speaker 1: about it being suspension, because otherwise you're gonna look kind 818 00:52:23,715 --> 00:52:25,795 Speaker 1: of stupid and far worse than that. You were going 819 00:52:25,875 --> 00:52:28,275 Speaker 1: to look. How can I phrase this? You're going to 820 00:52:28,395 --> 00:52:33,755 Speaker 1: look like you are pro cancer. Sure enough, they suspended 821 00:52:33,795 --> 00:52:37,835 Speaker 1: me and announced it with pay, but they charged me 822 00:52:37,875 --> 00:52:40,355 Speaker 1: the two weeks vacation time, which was fine because I 823 00:52:40,395 --> 00:52:45,275 Speaker 1: was leaving anyway. And every newspaper in America fried them 824 00:52:45,395 --> 00:52:48,395 Speaker 1: for it. Some fried them for not being able to 825 00:52:48,395 --> 00:52:50,875 Speaker 1: take a joke like the one I did on Killborn Shell. 826 00:52:51,235 --> 00:52:54,075 Speaker 1: Others fried them for being you know, like I said, 827 00:52:54,155 --> 00:52:57,435 Speaker 1: pro cancer. I was in New York City during the 828 00:52:57,475 --> 00:53:01,435 Speaker 1: suspension and a cab driver approached me. The cabs slowed down, 829 00:53:01,635 --> 00:53:04,235 Speaker 1: the guy backed up a little, and the driver leaned out, 830 00:53:04,315 --> 00:53:07,075 Speaker 1: leaned out the passenger window, and he shouted, what the 831 00:53:07,075 --> 00:53:09,555 Speaker 1: hell is wrong with those eddiots? You work for an ESPN? 832 00:53:09,555 --> 00:53:15,315 Speaker 1: Why in favor of cancer? The ESPN folks asked my 833 00:53:15,435 --> 00:53:17,875 Speaker 1: agent to ask me to come back to work earlier 834 00:53:17,915 --> 00:53:20,355 Speaker 1: than planned so they could somehow wriggle out of this. 835 00:53:20,435 --> 00:53:22,555 Speaker 1: And I said, I will need an apology, and I 836 00:53:22,595 --> 00:53:25,755 Speaker 1: will need the two weeks vacation back, and I will 837 00:53:25,795 --> 00:53:28,715 Speaker 1: need ESPN to make a donation to the group I made, 838 00:53:28,755 --> 00:53:33,435 Speaker 1: the anti chewing tobacco, anti cancer p s A S four, 839 00:53:33,635 --> 00:53:36,555 Speaker 1: and I will need one of you to say, yeah, 840 00:53:36,675 --> 00:53:42,595 Speaker 1: you told us so. So this thing with Musk and 841 00:53:42,635 --> 00:53:45,035 Speaker 1: Twitter where they wouldn't let me back on the website 842 00:53:45,195 --> 00:53:48,195 Speaker 1: until I deleted the tweet that they had made invisible 843 00:53:48,835 --> 00:53:52,155 Speaker 1: and then declared that kind of tweet would be automatically erased. 844 00:53:53,115 --> 00:53:55,955 Speaker 1: But now everybody was sharing the screenshots of that tweet. 845 00:53:56,915 --> 00:54:00,275 Speaker 1: The streisand effect as moronic as this one is. I'm 846 00:54:00,315 --> 00:54:05,235 Speaker 1: afraid sorry, Imo, I'm afraid it just does not measure 847 00:54:05,315 --> 00:54:07,995 Speaker 1: up to getting fired and finding out that they suspended 848 00:54:07,995 --> 00:54:09,955 Speaker 1: the guy who tried to fire me. At u p I, 849 00:54:10,435 --> 00:54:12,995 Speaker 1: we're getting something like sixty million dollars because the NBC 850 00:54:13,115 --> 00:54:16,475 Speaker 1: guy didn't realize suspending me would breach the contract, or 851 00:54:16,475 --> 00:54:18,715 Speaker 1: the one at ESPN where the company made itself look 852 00:54:18,955 --> 00:54:26,395 Speaker 1: pro cancer. This with Musk is literally only fourth rate, 853 00:54:27,755 --> 00:54:39,555 Speaker 1: you know, just like him, I've done all the damage 854 00:54:39,595 --> 00:54:41,515 Speaker 1: I can do here. Thank you for listening. If you're 855 00:54:41,515 --> 00:54:44,235 Speaker 1: not following or subscribing to the podcast, please do so. 856 00:54:44,395 --> 00:54:47,755 Speaker 1: And a special thanks on that front to Elon Musk 857 00:54:47,915 --> 00:54:51,875 Speaker 1: and right wing Twitter, especially this one guy, cat turned 858 00:54:52,475 --> 00:54:57,155 Speaker 1: who kept our teeing the promo video for it Friday's 859 00:54:57,195 --> 00:55:02,795 Speaker 1: audience up, cat tured. Can you can you promote this one? 860 00:55:02,955 --> 00:55:06,075 Speaker 1: How about every day? I'll give a dollar? Here are 861 00:55:06,075 --> 00:55:09,275 Speaker 1: the credits signs, the ones for Ellen and cat Turd. 862 00:55:09,475 --> 00:55:12,035 Speaker 1: Most of the music, including our theme from Beethoven's Ninth, 863 00:55:13,835 --> 00:55:16,395 Speaker 1: was arranged, produced and performed by Brian Ray and John 864 00:55:16,395 --> 00:55:20,555 Speaker 1: Philip Chanelle. There the countdown musical directors, all orchestration and 865 00:55:20,675 --> 00:55:24,675 Speaker 1: keyboards by John Philip Shanelle. Guitars, bass, and drums by 866 00:55:24,715 --> 00:55:28,315 Speaker 1: Brian Ray produced by t Ko Brothers. Another Beethoven selections 867 00:55:28,355 --> 00:55:31,435 Speaker 1: have been arranged and performed by No Horns Allowed. The 868 00:55:31,515 --> 00:55:34,915 Speaker 1: sports music is the Overman theme from ESPN two, and 869 00:55:34,955 --> 00:55:37,875 Speaker 1: it was written by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy of ESPN Inc. 870 00:55:38,595 --> 00:55:42,515 Speaker 1: Musical comments from Nancy Fauss. The best baseball stadium organist ever. 871 00:55:42,835 --> 00:55:45,795 Speaker 1: Our announcer today was Richard Lewis. Everything else is pretty 872 00:55:45,835 --> 00:55:48,835 Speaker 1: much my fault. So let's countdown for this the seven 873 00:55:49,915 --> 00:55:53,315 Speaker 1: day since Donald Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically 874 00:55:53,355 --> 00:55:56,355 Speaker 1: elected government of the United States. Arrest him now while 875 00:55:56,475 --> 00:56:00,675 Speaker 1: we still can more countdown tomorrow. Until then, I'm Keith Olberman. 876 00:56:00,755 --> 00:56:11,155 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good night, and good luck. Countdown 877 00:56:11,195 --> 00:56:14,195 Speaker 1: with Keith Alderman is a production of I heart Radio. 878 00:56:14,475 --> 00:56:17,395 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the I 879 00:56:17,515 --> 00:56:21,875 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.