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Speaker 2: You are from the time we are born. Stories surround us,
Speaker 2: whispering wisdom, sharing histories, and planting the seeds of who
Speaker 2: we will become. For generations, black writers have used the
Speaker 2: pages of children's literature as a canvas, weaving in the
Speaker 2: rich tapestries of our culture, our struggles, and our.
Speaker 3: Triumphs outside or inside, night or day. What's imagination? We
Speaker 3: all play sounds on to a friends or on our own.
Speaker 3: Everyone is welcome, We all belonged.
Speaker 1: She was born a dreamer, a dare, a maker of.
Speaker 2: Her own way, passing down our stories into traditions to
Speaker 2: the next generation, ensuring the lessons that guided us continue
Speaker 2: to light the way. I'm Katie and I'm Eves. In
Speaker 2: today's episode, Little Literature Lessons, we're exploring how black authors
Speaker 2: passed down traditions and lessons through the pages of children's books.
Speaker 2: Earlier this year, we lost faith Ringgold, the celebrated artist
Speaker 2: and author.
Speaker 1: She was also one of the most influential voices in
Speaker 1: using kids books to pass down traditions. She dedicated a
Speaker 1: lot of her career to uplifting the Black American experience
Speaker 1: through vibrant storytelling.
Speaker 2: In her award winning nineteen ninety one book, Tarbeach, Ringo
Speaker 2: transports readers to the rooftop of a Harlem home during
Speaker 2: the Depression era. Through the eyes of young Cassie Louise Lightfoot,
Speaker 2: she paints a vivid picture a family, community, and joy
Speaker 2: despite the difficulties.
Speaker 4: I can fly. That means I am free to go
Speaker 4: wherever I want for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Cassie dreams of freedom, of possibility despite limitations. Those dreams
Speaker 2: echo the aspirations Faith Ringgold's own mother instilled in her
Speaker 2: as a child. In this way, Tarbag becomes a multi
Speaker 2: layered passing of the torch from the author's ancestors to her,
Speaker 2: and then from Faith Ringgold to the many generations of
Speaker 2: children who read her words, and.
Speaker 1: Some of those children grew up to become children's books
Speaker 1: authors themselves. After the break, we're chatting with Dalisha Mitchell
Speaker 1: of Little Black Booknook.
Speaker 4: I am Dalisha Mitchell. I'm a writer, author my debut
Speaker 4: board book How We Play. If you are on Instagram,
Speaker 4: you've seen me as Little Black Booknook. But I also
Speaker 4: do like book reviews for PBS kids, so lots of
Speaker 4: titles stay with us.
Speaker 2: Well, welcome, Thank you for joining us in studio, Thanks
Speaker 2: for having me. Are there any standout books from your
Speaker 2: childhood that like really taught you a lesson and it
Speaker 2: really ingrained in you.
Speaker 4: So my parents were really intentional about me reading books
Speaker 4: with black characters, which I appreciate, but also back then,
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of the books were racially charged.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure like y'all probably read What was It? Ror?
Speaker 4: What Is It? Ror? Thunder Here, Minecraft, thunder Here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like everybody read that book. But I remember
Speaker 4: reading books like Honey I Love and other Poems and
Speaker 4: being so happy because they were just like relatable and fun,
Speaker 4: like hanging out with your cousins and summer days with popsicles,
Speaker 4: and so Honey I Love and Other Poems always stands out,
Speaker 4: like I still have a copy to this day. I
Speaker 4: used to like memorize it or recite them, and it
Speaker 4: also was like written and like to me a little
Speaker 4: bit of a sass seaway. So I remember like reading
Speaker 4: them and swaying my hips and rolling my neck a
Speaker 4: little bit. So I really liked that book in particular.
Speaker 4: But Eloise Screenfield, Yeah, Louise Screenfield. Outside of that, I
Speaker 4: was all about like Babysitters Club and was a Bailey
Speaker 4: Science Kids Club. A lot of those kind of books
Speaker 4: stood out to me back then, so those were my
Speaker 4: probably favorites, and animals and goose Bumps, and I really
Speaker 4: loved scary books, so Goosebumps was like top tier back then.
Speaker 1: So when you say they resonated with you back then,
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that. I'm trying to step
Speaker 1: into the shoes of a child, Like when I think
Speaker 1: of what resonates with me now, understand because I have
Speaker 1: certain conditioning that's come up since then. And also, like
Speaker 1: I know, I'm interested in certain things in society, and
Speaker 1: that's why they resonate with me. When you were a child,
Speaker 1: if you could put yourself back in those shoes, what
Speaker 1: was it about the works that made you like, oh,
Speaker 1: this feels right right.
Speaker 4: I grew up in a really small rural town, so
Speaker 4: anytimes I could find books that had experiences that were
Speaker 4: outside of that, I loved it because like I didn't know,
Speaker 4: like what a city block was, I didn't have any
Speaker 4: idea about any of those sorts of things. So for me,
Speaker 4: I really liked finding books that kind of took me
Speaker 4: out of my small community and put me into the world.
Speaker 4: So I also enjoyed books that brought me closer to
Speaker 4: my family, which was a big, big thing for me.
Speaker 4: So I think that's why when I talk about like Honey,
Speaker 4: I love a lot of it talked about like summer,
Speaker 4: spending time together with cousins, enjoying food together, playing games together,
Speaker 4: all those sorts of things. So that's something that stood
Speaker 4: out to me. I also have always loved Halloween. That
Speaker 4: was something big in my family. We dress up, go
Speaker 4: trick or treating together. So I always seeked out kind
Speaker 4: of like those horror scary stories, which there weren't a
Speaker 4: lot to offer during that time. I feel like for
Speaker 4: kids anyway, it was always a little too much for
Speaker 4: my age range at that time. But I always seek
Speaker 4: to find some of those more scary spooky stories outside
Speaker 4: of those, or about family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love children's books that talk about like family
Speaker 2: in summertime because then, like you as a kid, you're like,
Speaker 2: let's emulate this, like let's have this barbecue. Like you
Speaker 2: ain't helping with the barbue at all, but you just
Speaker 2: like we need to just delegate. Hey, let me get
Speaker 2: this jump rope. We gonna do some double Dutch. She
Speaker 2: make some ice cream and it's gonna be ay.
Speaker 4: It's Mary Matt.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you have a book from your childhood that really
Speaker 2: taught you a lesson or had that passed down tradition vibe.
Speaker 1: I remember reading and when my mom got for me
Speaker 1: the book but not Buddy by Christopher Paul Curtis. She
Speaker 1: I think she might have gotten it from the library
Speaker 1: for me, and I just remember, you know, thinking about it,
Speaker 1: putting myself back in that era, like I got to
Speaker 1: travel backward in time. I got to go on this
Speaker 1: road trip. Also at the same time, I got to
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about blackness. That is one
Speaker 1: book that stands out for me from my childhood. Before that,
Speaker 1: I remember a lot of those. I don't remember what
Speaker 1: they were called, but each one of the books had
Speaker 1: a specific moral lesson in it. It was a whole
Speaker 1: series of books. It was there were heartback Yes, they
Speaker 1: were skinny, and it was like cartoon. They weren't them
Speaker 1: in my house.
Speaker 2: I do because I was bad. I was bad. If
Speaker 2: my parents said you need this whole set, and they
Speaker 2: would read them every day.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 4: I would have to go dig through the garage.
Speaker 1: They're probably in there somewhere still, but that's what I
Speaker 1: remember from early on. They were really trying to they
Speaker 1: were hitting heavy with the propaganda early on.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, it was like the titles will be like
Speaker 2: stop tattle telling.
Speaker 4: Yes, I got straight to the point. Did it work
Speaker 4: for any of us?
Speaker 2: Not for me?
Speaker 4: No, not really. They were fun. I don't know why
Speaker 4: they were fun to read, because I feel like I
Speaker 4: like reading them all the time. Yeah, but I didn't
Speaker 4: get the message.
Speaker 2: I understood what they were trying to get at, but
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm still tattle a little bit.
Speaker 4: It's a little too heavy.
Speaker 1: And then back then we knew it.
Speaker 2: I feel like one for me that I remember like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like I'm getting something out of this was
Speaker 2: the story of Ruby Bridges. I was reading that when
Speaker 2: we lived in Kansas, which is historically a very white place,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't like the only black kid around, but
Speaker 2: you know, one of very few. And I just remember
Speaker 2: thinking like, am Igraphy Bridges not are you? And is like,
Speaker 2: you know, my mom's from Jacksonssissippi, So like she didn't
Speaker 2: shy away from talking about like racism or just like
Speaker 2: the things like black people have gone through in this country,
Speaker 2: even if I am seven years old, so like you're
Speaker 2: gonna know about this. So I think that like really
Speaker 2: shaped like my view of like society, like oh this
Speaker 2: this how day? Uh huh. You know, I know I
Speaker 2: know which audio and I still have that in me,
Speaker 2: So like I'm interested for you, d Alisha, as an author,
Speaker 2: how do you navigate those topics like racism and injustice
Speaker 2: or trauma in like an age appropriate way but also impactful.
Speaker 4: So I think it's kind of like one side of
Speaker 4: me as a black writer and creative. I enjoy finding
Speaker 4: and writing books that aren't about those topics, just because
Speaker 4: sometimes it's so much about that that sometimes when you
Speaker 4: go to the library and you're looking for books that
Speaker 4: have black characters, all stories kind of have that arc.
Speaker 4: You know, you got the introduction of the protagonist and
Speaker 4: a problem, and then but if all the black protagonists
Speaker 4: problems are racism, kids can start to feel kind of
Speaker 4: like that's the only story we have to tell. So
Speaker 4: I seek to write more and find books that focus
Speaker 4: more on stories of just black folks being black, like
Speaker 4: having cookouts, getting their hair braided. Watched a new book
Speaker 4: coming out that I can't wait to read books about
Speaker 4: bedtime bondings and wrapping your hair up at night. I'm
Speaker 4: looking for more fantasy for black kid lit too. I
Speaker 4: think to approach topics on like racism or discrimination, I
Speaker 4: try to make it more of this is a everybody's problem,
Speaker 4: not of black problem. So how can we be more
Speaker 4: inclusive to one another? On what does that look like?
Speaker 4: Because when you're thinking about kids that are like four
Speaker 4: and five, it's hard to get too deep because they
Speaker 4: don't even quite understand just yet. But just making sure
Speaker 4: if you're at the playground and everybody's over here playing,
Speaker 4: is that one kid over there, invite them over to play?
Speaker 4: You know, if you see a kid fall down and
Speaker 4: hurt themselves by them over, if you see other kids
Speaker 4: making fun of this one kid who happens to not
Speaker 4: look like everybody else or have a disability, how do
Speaker 4: we go about making sure that you know, they know
Speaker 4: we're not having that. So I think it can get
Speaker 4: really heavy sometimes, but I think there's a way to
Speaker 4: always make it focused on inclusion and not so much
Speaker 4: on the outright racism and oppression. Especially when you talk
Speaker 4: about like zero to four age, it's really hard to
Speaker 4: cover but I think all of them. Play is a
Speaker 4: powerful thing we talk about. I talk about play a lot,
Speaker 4: so I think making sure that we focus on including others,
Speaker 4: being kind and if someone isn't, making sure that you're
Speaker 4: that person that's going to stand up and make sure
Speaker 4: that you're inclusive of that person or just protecting them
Speaker 4: if needed. But I feel like sometimes kid lit, especially
Speaker 4: for black kids, can get really heavy on the a
Speaker 4: lot of books coming out that are all about somebody
Speaker 4: being discriminated against or being racist, or which are important stories.
Speaker 4: So I'm definitely not saying that those are definitely important stories,
Speaker 4: but I think we have to make sure that we
Speaker 4: like balance out what black stories are about, because thankfully
Speaker 4: we're at a point where we get to tell our
Speaker 4: own stories and narratives and not have them told for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, run in the past. Can you talk about play?
Speaker 2: What lessons or values did you put in your book
Speaker 2: that you wrote about play?
Speaker 4: I think for me is that like play looks different
Speaker 4: for every kid, every family. I think not for me
Speaker 4: as a parent to even realizing how controlling adults can
Speaker 4: be about play, Like if you're too messy or don't
Speaker 4: be too loud, or that's not how you play the
Speaker 4: game when none of that matters to kids. I'm sure
Speaker 4: all of y'all remember like making up games and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: what's the rule? Well, no, if you get out two times,
Speaker 4: then you got to be on this team and.
Speaker 1: Changing in the middle of the game.
Speaker 4: In the middle of the game, we're like, oh no,
Speaker 4: we always argue about what are the actual rules to
Speaker 4: the game. So for me, when I think about, like
Speaker 4: how I wrote my book about play and just watching
Speaker 4: my son play, it's me as an adult giving up
Speaker 4: the control and just letting him do his thing, and
Speaker 4: even as a former teacher, just like letting them enjoy
Speaker 4: themselves and figure it out because that's part of how
Speaker 4: they learn through play. It doesn't have to be by
Speaker 4: the book or it doesn't have to look the same way.
Speaker 4: Some kids like to play by themselves in a corner
Speaker 4: and that's fine. Others might just want to do something relaxing.
Speaker 4: Other might want to jump off the top of a tree,
Speaker 4: swing across and jump off, which I'm sure we all
Speaker 4: remember that too, swinging and jumping off of the swings.
Speaker 4: So I think just respecting that kids know how to play,
Speaker 4: we don't have to teach them how to play. It
Speaker 4: is natural for them. They're going to figure it out,
Speaker 4: so just not you know, being controlling, letting kids play
Speaker 4: and enjoy themselves.
Speaker 1: I think that it's been the same over time. You
Speaker 1: talk about how much there is around, I guess trying
Speaker 1: to teach children empathy around. That's why the racial oppression
Speaker 1: conversations come up so much. It's always about those. Is
Speaker 1: it more like that in children's lit now than it
Speaker 1: was before? Do you see a change in like maybe
Speaker 1: a few decades ago, like how children's lit looked. Did
Speaker 1: it focus on those types of stories as much then
Speaker 1: as it does now?
Speaker 4: As far as it comes to empathy and racism. I
Speaker 4: am grateful that I am starting to see more stories
Speaker 4: where that's not the primary topic. So in the book,
Speaker 4: there may be an instance where someone does something or
Speaker 4: says something that's inappropriate, but that's not the whole focus
Speaker 4: of the book. When I think back to books like
Speaker 4: when I was younger, compared to the books that I
Speaker 4: read to my son, there's a lot more and just
Speaker 4: being kind and joyful and enjoying each other's company in
Speaker 4: general versus you know, here's a story about you know,
Speaker 4: a little black boy who wasn't allowed to participate in
Speaker 4: this activity and how that shaped his life and his
Speaker 4: family and so on. I feel like there were a
Speaker 4: lot of those kind of moral stories of racism is
Speaker 4: wrong back then. Now I feel like they're starting to
Speaker 4: kind of be mixed into just the black experience. Like, yes,
Speaker 4: we've all in this room, I'm sure experience racism, but
Speaker 4: that's not our story per se. Like there's so many
Speaker 4: other things that we go through from day to day
Speaker 4: through time that we can talk about. So I would
Speaker 4: like to say that I see now that it's more
Speaker 4: focused on empathy in general and just being more inclusive
Speaker 4: with others than the kind of story of black kid
Speaker 4: being discriminated again, treated poorly and that's the end of
Speaker 4: the story basically, because then it kind of feels like
Speaker 4: that's all. That's the end of the story. We just
Speaker 4: have to work through a racism. It's just, you know,
Speaker 4: there's no way to work past it and through it.
Speaker 2: As a children's books expert, I need your opinion on something.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's been a lot of news about
Speaker 2: non black writers writing about black characters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, on one hand, people say, you know, it's just a
Speaker 2: character anyone can write about it, and then on the
Speaker 2: other hand, people say like, hey, like you're not in
Speaker 2: this community, like why are you? Like what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on this?
Speaker 4: So I've had lots of thoughts and conversations about this,
Speaker 4: and I think for me, it always boils down to
Speaker 4: why are you writing about a character that isn't representative
Speaker 4: of your experience?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 4: Like, what's the why behind that? Because at one point,
Speaker 4: a lot of books were coming out that have black characters,
Speaker 4: which made a lot of us happy because we were
Speaker 4: just happy to see black characters. But then when you
Speaker 4: would search the author's name, you know would be a
Speaker 4: white woman. And for me it becomes problematic because there
Speaker 4: are tons of black authors who want a shot, They
Speaker 4: wanted opportunity to write stories about people who have their experiences,
Speaker 4: are able to tell those stories from a genuine place.
Speaker 4: So when I see people who aren't from that background,
Speaker 4: it's always met with like suspicion, like, well, why did
Speaker 4: you choose to make this character black?
Speaker 2: Why do you think they're doing that?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think diversity became a really big thing, and
Speaker 4: I think that they're able to use that opportunity to
Speaker 4: pull in an audience that they wouldn't necessarily be able
Speaker 4: to pull in with another white book, per se. So
Speaker 4: if all the characters in the book are white, they
Speaker 4: may feel like, Okay, well, this will only reach this group.
Speaker 4: Whereas if I add, you know, a black character, especially
Speaker 4: a black main character. I think it is important to
Speaker 4: have diverse books. So as a black author, I don't
Speaker 4: think my book should only include black characters. But if
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the main character and their experience, I
Speaker 4: just feel like it would be odd for me to
Speaker 4: be like, Okay, this is going to be Billy, a
Speaker 4: little white boy in Arkansas, because I have no you know,
Speaker 4: no experie that right. So I think sometimes it's used
Speaker 4: as a way to promote diversity, but it feels a
Speaker 4: little bit like black face.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that it's from the publisher's perspective or
Speaker 1: is that from the author's perspective when they're choosing to
Speaker 1: write the story.
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both. I mean,
Speaker 4: publishers want their books to sell, so I think when
Speaker 4: it's popular to be diverse and have diverse characters, then
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, well, what if we make this character
Speaker 4: black instead or Asian instead? But I feel like when
Speaker 4: you're an author and you write a story, you know
Speaker 4: who that character is. I shouldn't be able to just
Speaker 4: like swap out the race and it's the same story,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. Like, when you're writing a story,
Speaker 4: your character should be a person that looks a certain
Speaker 4: way and has certain experiences. I shouldn't just be able
Speaker 4: to say, Okay, yesterday they were black. Oh no today,
Speaker 4: let's make them Asian. Tomorrow, let's make them indigenous. Like
Speaker 4: it should show some real experiences and background and references
Speaker 4: to who that person is in their background. So yeah,
Speaker 4: should have more depth to them. But I think publishers
Speaker 4: and authors both kind of push that to sale books. Honestly,
Speaker 4: when it's I was gonna say, when it's on themes.
Speaker 2: Can we get you reading some of the lines from
Speaker 2: your book.
Speaker 4: It starts off outside or inside or today with imagination.
Speaker 3: We all play, sometimes with friends or on our own.
Speaker 3: Everyone is welcome, we all.
Speaker 4: Belong, and that's my favorite part.
Speaker 3: We saw a stack, hide and seek, explore and observe,
Speaker 3: s and leap, We color and paint, cut and blue
Speaker 3: read a design something new. We we have and how
Speaker 3: we and how we play?
Speaker 2: All right, So you know we're talking about children's books
Speaker 2: passing down lessons and traditions, and as writers, you know
Speaker 2: that when a book comes out, it has a little,
Speaker 2: you know, description. So your task, I am going to
Speaker 2: give you three words. With those three words, you're going
Speaker 2: to come up with a description for a children's book
Speaker 2: that has a lesson or is passing down some tradition.
Speaker 2: You must use those three words. The review or the
Speaker 2: description only about a paragraph, but you got to sell it.
Speaker 2: Which one is going to become a bestseller? Dahalisha your
Speaker 2: set of words, hula hoop Twins Moving, Eves your words
Speaker 2: belly tomorrow and milk.
Speaker 1: Milk that's anti black, Okay.
Speaker 2: And we will hear from Eve's and Dahlicia after this
Speaker 2: break and we're back. Dalicia, can you remind us of
Speaker 2: your words?
Speaker 4: Hula hoop Twins Moving. Ellie and Elise are eager for
Speaker 4: the fifth grade talent showcase. After months of practice, they
Speaker 4: finally perfected their choreography and hula hoop twirls. That is
Speaker 4: until Mom gets the big news she's been waiting for
Speaker 4: a promotion that causes them to move across states to
Speaker 4: the Big Apple.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get there, five minutes is not enough, Katie,
Speaker 1: I was with you.
Speaker 4: Too, Okay, Okay, I'm gonna just it's not going to
Speaker 4: be in the same excitement. But the lesson is a
Speaker 4: lesson of resilience. You know, they're going to figure out
Speaker 4: how they can still be a part of this fifth
Speaker 4: grade talent showcase by working with their friends. Okay, I'll
Speaker 4: finish up. It's resilience though, that's the moral. Okay, we're
Speaker 4: not there yet. Okay, that's it's resilience, right, stay staying
Speaker 4: rooted in the community while also, you know, having Maybe
Speaker 4: they don't the next city over and they have to
Speaker 4: find a way back.
Speaker 2: Okay, get some editing in.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I'm there with you. Okay, ease remind us of your word.
Speaker 1: Belly, Tomorrow and Milk. Layla wakes up in the morning.
Speaker 1: The sun shines through the window. It's a beautiful day.
Speaker 1: She gets ready to have her favorite cereal in the morning,
Speaker 1: Pretty Puffs. She fixes her bowl all on her own,
Speaker 1: but oh no, the milk spills. She's sure that her
Speaker 1: dad's going to be angry. What should she do? In
Speaker 1: this book we have Tomorrow, Layla learns valuable lessons about
Speaker 1: gratitude for a full belly and always having tomorrow.
Speaker 4: It's like food security, y'all.
Speaker 1: To be real, what I was thinking it was flash.
Speaker 1: It was taking me back to the things that all
Speaker 1: black parents say, like you already got food on the table,
Speaker 1: We got food at home. I ain't got McDonald's money.
Speaker 1: It's the first thing that came up in my mind
Speaker 1: when I was thinking of bellies.
Speaker 4: And a lot of black people are lactose intolerant.
Speaker 2: Milk.
Speaker 1: Okay, just like that is not I believe it was
Speaker 1: a draw. I think we're on an equal footing.
Speaker 4: At least there was a lesson anything.
Speaker 2: I member the dad is like, oh, he gonna be abused?
Speaker 2: What No.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of this from a child's perspective, where
Speaker 1: they kind of hype everything up in their mind and
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, my parents are going to be
Speaker 1: really angry. I just okay, that's how I thought of it.
Speaker 2: But okay, I'm glad she's not getting abused.
Speaker 1: This story would not get accepted.
Speaker 4: I think that's where we same where we land.
Speaker 2: The first draft of many Yeah, first drafts always very rough,
Speaker 2: as illustrated.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 4: Not what I was expecting.
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay, delisiha. How can folks keep up
Speaker 2: with you? Do you have any future projects coming down
Speaker 2: the pipeline?
Speaker 4: I do. You can keep up with me on Instagram
Speaker 4: at Little Black Book Nook. And I finished up my
Speaker 4: debut board book, How We Play, and I am already
Speaker 4: working on my second board book with a Little Feminist
Speaker 4: and it's going to be about Juneteenth. So that's my
Speaker 4: next big project I'm working on and still just writing
Speaker 4: all the time, all day, every day. So I'm hoping
Speaker 4: to tell more stories, especially for the younger age group.
Speaker 4: I feel like they're not enough board books with black kiddos,
Speaker 4: So I think that's my lane for now.
Speaker 2: And now it's time for All Credits segment, where we
Speaker 2: give credit to a person, place, or thing that we
Speaker 2: encountered during the week, and we are joined with Dollisha Mitchell.
Speaker 2: But first, Eves who are what would you like to.
Speaker 4: Give credit to today?
Speaker 1: I would like to give credit to spiritual teachers, all
Speaker 1: of them, but also my spiritual teachers specifically. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate all of the guidance they've given me, how generous
Speaker 1: they are with their time and with the knowledge that
Speaker 1: they're willing to share. I think the work that they've
Speaker 1: done in my life and that they do in general
Speaker 1: is very important and it's been very edifying for me,
Speaker 1: So I'm grateful for them.
Speaker 2: Dollisha, who are what would you like to give credit to?
Speaker 4: I would like to give credit to Ashley from Ninguzo Babies.
Speaker 4: My baby and I went to a performance that she
Speaker 4: put on with her puppets and it was so amazing.
Speaker 4: We enjoyed it so much to see little black puppets
Speaker 4: telling our stories, dancing bubbles. It was a good time.
Speaker 4: So cheers some more puppetry.
Speaker 2: I'd like to give credit to physical media, like family media,
Speaker 2: like the photo album, subscribe books, the VH S, VHC,
Speaker 2: VHS tapes, the DVDs with the home videos on it.
Speaker 2: I've been steeped in those and it's just really cool
Speaker 2: to see, you know, the life of a person and
Speaker 2: how they you know, grow up and change, and how
Speaker 2: all these memories are captured and we just have them.
Speaker 2: So it's nice to be able to look back on
Speaker 2: those and hold them in your hand. And with that,
Speaker 2: we will see y'all next week. Thanks so much for
Speaker 2: joining us, Dolisha, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: How we play outside or inside night or day, What's imagination?
Speaker 3: We all play, sometimes do with friends or on our own.
Speaker 3: Everyone is welcome, We all belonged.
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