1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Hannah. The Netflix show Thirteen Reasons Why has 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: been criticized for glorifying suicide because I'm about to tell 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: you the story of my life, more specifically, why my 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Life Ended. The fictional series features a high school girl 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: who sends tapes to students and a teacher explaining how 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: they wronged her. If you're listening to this tape, you're 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why everyone is just so nice 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: and so they drive you to kill yourself. This is 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. They were just fifteen years old, 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: and they both took their lives just days after watching 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: a controversial show on Netflix, Thirteen Reasons Why I Love You. 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: My daughter was she was a hero. She had straight 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: a's and writing was her passion. She loved English, it 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: was her favorite class. She was going to be a writer. 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: Bella had been battling depression and she'd been bullied since 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: middle school. But in the weeks before she took her life, 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: she seemed happy. She was doing great. Bella Herndon, a 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: little sophomore in high school, absolutely beautiful, loved to read, 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: loved to write. Reminds me so much of my little 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 1: girl Lucy. Getting straight A's as a sophomore in high school. 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: Another girl, Priscilla Chu, a sophomore described as precious and determined. 22 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: Both of these little girls, Bella and Priscilla, have passed away. 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: They both died as a result of suicide. Both of 24 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: their families say the two little girls have been watching 25 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: Netflix's controversial news show about suicide, Thirteen Reasons Why, just 26 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: before the little girls took their own lives. Why why 27 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: is this happening? Why is that still on the air 28 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: influencing children all across our country? Why? What? What is 29 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: it ratings? Why would they keep it on after losing 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: Bella and Priscilla? Why? I, Nancy Grace, this is crime 31 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: stories and I don't understand why this is happening. We 32 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: recently covered this story with a mom of a little 33 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: boy out of Florida. They managed to stop his suicide. 34 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: What this show is about on Netflix is about a 35 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: team that is angry and upset and hurt about being 36 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: bullied and sends notes missives to everyone that has bullied 37 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: them and commits suicide. Then, after the teen's death, the 38 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: team becomes kind of a star. Everyone realizes what they 39 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: did wrong, how they had brought about all this pain 40 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: and suffering, and in death the child becomes the star 41 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: and gets the love and approval they wanted in life 42 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: and suicide is somehow glamorized, kind of a get back 43 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: at your bullies. That is not what children need to hear. 44 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: And joining me now is a very special guest. Bella's dad, 45 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: John Herndon is with us. Mr Herndon, I hate to 46 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: even recount any facts. I am just so sorry that 47 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: you have lost Bella. Guess me too, A, But I 48 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: see this as an opportunity, UM too, spread a word 49 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: alert of their parents, other educators, lawmakers, UM about what 50 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: this show is. It's doing to our two children, UM, 51 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: to teenagers, a very highly impressionable audience. UM. I don't 52 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: know how many lives of kids it's going to take 53 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: for Netflix to finally say enough UM. But until they 54 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: until the number gets high enough for them to manage 55 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: to them, shows like this are aren't going to help 56 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: as a venue to get the word out. Surprisingly, even 57 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: after losing two lives and nearly a third child's lives, 58 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: a season two is now in the works. We now 59 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: know that season two has been green lit. Creator Brian 60 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: Yorky out offering details to Entertainment Weekly. It starts a 61 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: number of months after the first season. The City, the 62 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: controversial Netflix series is about. It's based on the young 63 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: adult novel of the same title, and it's about a 64 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: teen girl, Hannah Baker, who commits suicide and leaves behind 65 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: audio recordings for thirteen Bullies that she says is the 66 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: reason she killed herself. And they are actually going to 67 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: a season two, even after the loss of Bella's life. 68 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Mr Herndon, when did you learn that Bella had been 69 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: watching Netflix Thirteen Reasons Why just before she passed away. 70 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: It wasn't until the day of her funeral, but I 71 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: learned from her friends at school. They approached me and 72 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: let me know, Um Bella ahead finished watching it about 73 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: three days before she had passed away. Did Bella ever 74 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: mention her feelings? Why was she so sad? Of course, 75 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: you and I know, and with me as psychologist, a 76 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: renowned psychologist, Karen Stark, we know that there doesn't have 77 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: to be a reason for depression. It can be a 78 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: chemical imbalance, it can be just for no reason, for 79 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: no reason, we understand you are depressed and you want 80 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: to take your life. And I remember very well, John 81 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: after the murder of my fiancee. For many, many years years, 82 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: I didn't care if I lived or died. Either way 83 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: was fine with me. And I wish I had sought counseling, 84 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: but at the time I didn't. But did she ever? 85 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Did you know that she was having suicidal feelings or 86 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: was she depressed? Uh? No, I was Me and my 87 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: wife I were aware that she was having She was 88 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: not a lot, so we didn't know that she had 89 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: suffered from depression. UM started for her back in middle 90 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: school with some bullying. But we had had her seeing 91 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: doctors and therapists over the past three and a half 92 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: to four years, trying different medications, different permutations of medication, 93 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: different different types, different titrations, and and actually you know, 94 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: for the last last year, maybe the last couple of years, 95 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: she was very much getting better. Um. She was much happier. Um, 96 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: she developed some very good friendships, people that she brought 97 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: over to the house. Um. She was more energetic, more engaging. 98 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: She was my little girl again. Why was she being bullied? John? What? What? 99 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Why were bullies bothering her? A lot of us, like 100 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: many of us, you know, when we have experiences with bullies, 101 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: we you know, try to you know you'd fell but 102 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: dislike a distaste for bullies. When you know the kids 103 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: were young. Um, I would teach them, you know that 104 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: what a hero meant. You know, I would show them, 105 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, them interested in me about Superman and things 106 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: like that, you know, to show him what a hero 107 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: could stand for. And I would always tell them that, 108 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, a hero fights for those who cannot fight 109 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: for themselves. I were always telling me, if you guys 110 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: see a bully, try and stop it, you know, intervene, 111 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: get a teacher something. Why were they tach well, I'll 112 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: tell you, Bella, stop these three girls from kicking this 113 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: boy in the head. Um as he was long on 114 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: the ground. I don't know why they were doing that 115 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: to him, but these three girls turned around and tortured off. 116 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: In the next six months. Um, I couldn't threaten the 117 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: school to get involved and intervene. They just simply refused 118 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: to act. They called it a disagreement of friends. After 119 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: six months and you know, the kids either a lot 120 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: of interest or went away. But there was a lot 121 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: of damage that was done. You know, I believe that 122 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: Bella's depressionally started from that. You know, that reminds me 123 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: of something that happened in high school. We had a 124 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: girl in high school and her first name was Earle, 125 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: and I guess because she dressed fashion forward, people picked 126 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: on her all the time. It was actually the main girls, 127 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: and recently, John, I would say, in the last couple 128 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: of years, out of the blue, I heard from Earle 129 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: and I had not seen her since high school. She said, 130 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: do you remember the day? And she named three of 131 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: the main girls, and I remember them very well. We're 132 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: making fun of her, and she said, and you said, 133 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: you leave her alone. I don't even remember doing that, 134 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: but I do remember that those three girls bullied me 135 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: for the rest of high school and made fun of everything, 136 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: made fun of my sister and made fun of me, 137 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: made fun of blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm 138 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: sure I gave them plenty of fodder to man, But 139 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: that's funny. That just triggered that memory. I haven't thought 140 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: of that in years, and I don't believe I ever 141 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: once mentioned it to my parents. I never looking, but 142 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: I never thought too. I mean, I just didn't you 143 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: have stated, John, that you believe thirteen reasons why the 144 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: new Netflix. I didn't even say it hit creates a 145 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: perception that there is no way out of your bad situation, 146 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: that there is no alternative, that the main character looks 147 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: to people is turned away, and it creates a series 148 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: of events that lead to a very black and white 149 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: outcome that all you can do is take your own life. 150 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: They're in high school, for Pete's sake, their life has 151 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: barely started, John uh So, It's basically what it does 152 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: is it provides a blueprint, um for of course of action. 153 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's very tragic to see someone makes such 154 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: a decision with such finality, who has so much promise, 155 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: things that were so uh there were so many things, 156 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: good things ahead for her, and she felt that, you know, 157 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: these these people that you know aren't going to matter 158 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: to her in the slightest in the future, have such 159 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: an impact on her life that their opinion matters so 160 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: greatly that she just can't live without it. Unfortunately, you know, 161 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: we we tend to forget as adults how much the 162 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: environment that we're in in high school becomes our entire world. 163 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: Sit around with a group of people, an environment like 164 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: that for you know, a third of your day, um 165 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: and you know, we, like I said, as adults, we 166 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: tend to forget how much significance that can that can 167 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: have for us. But it's is unfortunate that the makers 168 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: of the show, including the former Disney star Selena Gomez, 169 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: decided to paint her choices um in such black and 170 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: white and drastic terms. There was, you know, no way out, 171 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: no other courses of action this girl could take. You know, Uh, 172 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: for example, you know, I couldn't couldn't seek help from 173 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: her parents, you know, couldn't change schools, couldn't, um, you know, 174 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: any one of a hundred things, very common things that 175 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: parents would do to interview on behalf of their kids. 176 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: None of those things were explored. And I think it 177 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: was done in a very deliberate, a very way to 178 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: target that very segment of the population that Selena Gomez 179 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: calls her fan base. UM. It was done to target 180 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: teenagers because they are so highly impressionable. Um. You know, 181 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be the first company that tried to reinvent 182 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: itself by targeting a new or a younger segment of 183 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: the market, but in this case, they are trying to 184 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: just completely target a group of people who simply don't 185 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: have the tools to combat a message like that that 186 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: we adults do their children. You know. Karen Start, a 187 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: renowned psychologist joining us out of New York. Karen that 188 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: the premise of thirteen Reasons Why, Reasons Why the rest 189 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: of that so does this commit suicide. The girl Hannah, 190 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: which is a made up character, sends videos I think 191 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: it is to all of her bullies and they have 192 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: an awakening and epiphany. That's not how it works in 193 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: real life. Bullies never really get that they're bullies. You know, 194 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: they don't. I mean, it's like a snake. It crawls 195 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: on its belly and it thinks it's a king. It 196 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: doesn't get it, and they don't understand it. Nancy. The 197 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: show has many problems, and that happens to be one 198 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: of them. I think, as Mr Hendon said, and I 199 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: want to say, I'm very sorry about your daughter. Um 200 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't depict any alternatives, and that's huge because it 201 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: also doesn't identify the fact that there's mental illness here. 202 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: She's very depressed girl and she should have many alternatives. 203 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: They show her going to accounts it and the counselor 204 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: and she's trying to tell about a rape and the 205 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: counselor is not immediately jumping to her defense, offering support, 206 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: and in reality, this is something the counsel would have 207 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: to report to the authorities. They don't deal with that either. 208 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: So it's as though she has no choice but to 209 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: commit suicide. And it also turns her into a popular girl. 210 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: Everybody grieves, everyone mourns her, and it and it really 211 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: does act as though this was the reason why she 212 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: killed herself because no one understood her and they bullied her. 213 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: It ignores the fact that there was an underlying depression, 214 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: and it makes it way too powerful for the individuals involved. 215 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: There's so much that goes into teen suicide that's not 216 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: being addressed, and it's dangerous in that way. They could 217 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: have done a much better job. The National Suicide Prevention 218 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: Lifeline is one eight hundred two seven three talk one 219 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: hundred two seven three eight to five five, Or to 220 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: make it even easier, you can text the word talk 221 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: t a l K two seven four one dash seven 222 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: for one. Wouldn't it have been something, Nancy, if they 223 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: had had an announcement that just like what you just 224 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: made on that show, if they would break into it 225 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and even say that, yeah, I wonder why not? And 226 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: even after these two deaths, Priscilla and Bella and the 227 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: little boy. But see, we kept his mom's name and 228 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: his name secret. We did not reveal that. But even 229 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: after that, it's still gonna be Greenland. It is Greenland 230 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: for a second season. Karen, I don't understand that. Well, 231 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're gonna they said they're going 232 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: to have their warning be much stronger, and they show 233 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: some kind of um teen suicide prevention prior to the show, 234 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: But that still doesn't make sense to me that they 235 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: won't inject it into the show. What would be wrong 236 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: with stopping the show while the show is actually running 237 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: and saying, we want you to watch this, We don't 238 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: want you to get the wrong idea. And because teenagers 239 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: are so impressionable, the fact that they are showing this 240 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: depiction of her committing and it's very graphic suicide, it 241 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: gives it can actually give them an away out and ideas. 242 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: No one is remembering that they their brain is not 243 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: fully developed, and they're impressionable, and they really in a 244 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: situation where they feel they have no way out. This 245 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: show is saying, well, here's something that you can do, 246 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: and everyone will regret what happened. You know what Karen, 247 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: it's almost like a get back at your bullies. I'm 248 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: looking at a picture, a photo right now of Bella 249 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: Herndon and her father John, and they are dancing and 250 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: it you know, karabout dad passed away about a year 251 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: and a half ago, and I remember him teaching me 252 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: to dance and I would we would turn on the stereo, 253 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: which was a big, huge, honking piece of furniture back then, 254 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: with a big album of Perry Como, and I would 255 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: get on his feet and we would dance in the 256 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: living room. I'm glad you had that memory. But your 257 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: dad was a wonderful person and I'm so happy that 258 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: I had a chance to know him. Yeah you did. 259 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: And Mr Herndon, I'm looking at this picture and thinking 260 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: about you and Bella. Can you tell me when is 261 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: it that you miss her the most? Every day? I 262 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: miss it the most every day when I i morning, 263 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: I look at her picture her and I you know, 264 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: I just walk by and sad. I miss you, baby, 265 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: I love you, And it's every day is hard. There 266 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: is no time in the day where it lessens. There's 267 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: no time in the day where the impact is not 268 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: felt so much. Um, I miss her every day what 269 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: did she want to be when she grew up? Because 270 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: she wanted to be a writer. She was so passionate 271 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: about writing. She loved she loved reading. She was reading 272 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: Stephen King's In the Eyes of the Dragon, which is 273 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: a story that he wrote for his daughter. Um. She read. 274 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: She was starting to get into Hemingway. She was reading 275 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: The Great Gatsby. She was reading, she was reading the 276 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: the stories about the Hunger Games. She was reading no stories. Um. 277 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: She read a lot of Greek mythology, labors of Hercules. Wow. That. Yeah, 278 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: she loved to read. She read voraciously. Anything that really 279 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: just kind of struck her interest. You so much of 280 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: my daughter, Lucy. She reads all the time. She already 281 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: writes little poems and little short stories. And I just 282 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: can't imagine what you've gone through. It's like a light 283 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: goes off and it will never come back on. Yeah. Yeah, 284 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: that the Bella was Bella was pretty amazing to me. Um. 285 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: She was my firstborn. She was my you know, my 286 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: first baby. Um. Um miss her till the day I die. 287 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: None of this makes any sense to either my wife, 288 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: her Brother's on myself just a senseless act and has 289 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: no meaning. Mr Herndon John Herndon is not asking for 290 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: some type of boycott on Netflix. That's not what he's saying, 291 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: even though he believes their new hit series Thirteen Reasons 292 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: triggered his little girl's death. But what he is advocating 293 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: and hopes is that they will make a change, that 294 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: they will take the show off the air, that they 295 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: will advance suicide awareness, that parents and teachers just citizens. 296 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: If you care to reach out to Netflix in any 297 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: way to express that, and he says he will do 298 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: anything and everything to make sure this does not happen 299 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: to another family and Netflix, please hear us today. We 300 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: are not calling for a boycott. We're asking for you 301 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: to hear us and please take this show off the air. 302 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: It's not worth it. I don't care how much money 303 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: you're making, it's not worth it. Mr Herndon, You will 304 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: stay in my prayers of me and my family. Nancy 305 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: Gray's Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend. M