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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly. I'm Paul Chargian. Very excited
Speaker 1: to start the deep dive on rookies with Thor and
Speaker 1: eystro Hey, buddy, Hey, how you doing. Oh God, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be great draft season. Just so much fun, so
Speaker 1: much learning, so much fresh blood. We're here in the
Speaker 1: we are it's all. It's already here. Yeah, combines in
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Speaker 1: of them. But a lot of exciting stuff. Here's the
Speaker 1: here's the format we're gonna use. We're gonna doot. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do quarterbacks today here this show. Next week it'll
Speaker 1: be free agency. We're gonna talk about all the big
Speaker 1: free agent moves. Then we're gonna do running backs, rookie
Speaker 1: running backs, rookie wide receivers.
Speaker 3: Sound good. I can't wait, can't wait.
Speaker 1: Let's start quarterbacks, particularly Saley with the with the now
Speaker 1: almost I don't want to call it ubiquitous, just but
Speaker 1: so many more different leagues are now using super flex.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are so important right now, more so than ever
Speaker 1: before in fantasy, and I love it all my league.
Speaker 4: That's to me.
Speaker 1: Super flex is just now, that's that's how I play.
Speaker 4: It's a way to go. It is.
Speaker 1: Otherwise there's just more good quarterbacks than there are teams
Speaker 1: in your league, and that the value, just the value
Speaker 1: the whole position goes down.
Speaker 4: Totally agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're we're super flex super flex fans over here.
Speaker 1: I'd rather play in a two quarterback mandatory than a
Speaker 1: one quarterback league.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd go that far.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's roll up on sleep and quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Now you've given me lists of guys you want to
Speaker 1: talk about. We're gonna hit on nine quarterbacks in this show.
Speaker 1: Nine rookie quarterbacks. Are they in the order you would
Speaker 1: draft them in?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: That you give him to me? Okay, and you have
Speaker 3: the right to change your mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's March, right, so now, yeah, that's right, you
Speaker 1: have the right. So we're not going to hold you
Speaker 1: to this let's start with quarterback number one, USC's Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1: Let's break him down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, six foot one, two hundred and fourteen pounds, didn't
Speaker 5: work out at the combine. We didn't get to see
Speaker 5: him throw, didn't get to see him work out. We howered,
Speaker 5: we did get to you exactly. We did get to
Speaker 5: see his podium session start out with a very rude question.
Speaker 5: I actually give him credit for not walking off the
Speaker 5: podium with that. But you know, talking about his game.
Speaker 5: Loved the physical ability, the kids got a cannon, super
Speaker 5: creative bent to his game as well. You know, you
Speaker 5: add in the athleticism and this goes into the one
Speaker 5: nitpick you have about him. He loves to move around
Speaker 5: the pocket by time, arguably a little bit too much.
Speaker 5: That's the one thing he's gonna have to modulate in
Speaker 5: the NFL. His average time to throw last year three
Speaker 5: point one six seconds. It was also over three seconds
Speaker 5: the year before. That's when you get a little bit
Speaker 5: up into dangerous zone. I will say that's his prerogative,
Speaker 5: though he likes to do that. It was his choice, right,
Speaker 5: Like it's not a slow processor's letting plays developed.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.
Speaker 5: He wants the receivers to be allowed to break those
Speaker 5: routes off. He wants to play playground ball. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's what he does. He can he can denote that
Speaker 5: down the field, he keeps his eyes up and then
Speaker 5: he can get the pass off any arm angle, immediately
Speaker 5: throw it downfield from any arm angle, and get it
Speaker 5: even down to the third level. So that's what his
Speaker 5: game is. But he's gonna have to modulate that a
Speaker 5: little bit. He's gonna have to play with instructure a
Speaker 5: little bit more. But his out of structure game is
Speaker 5: absolutely fabulous. And obviously the physical tools are elite.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's going to help fantasy players with some mobility
Speaker 1: as well. Absolutely, And you know we all know that.
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, you can
Speaker 1: just score so many points that way. Talk to me
Speaker 1: about how you think Caleb Williams mobility will translate to
Speaker 1: the NFL. Will he and we don't know the landing spot, yeah,
Speaker 1: but presumably the Bears, you know, will he be used
Speaker 1: as a runner? Do you think or do you think
Speaker 1: just the past, you know, the pocket passing is so
Speaker 1: good and well and out of pocket as well, that
Speaker 1: maybe you know, he's just gonna it's gonna be more
Speaker 1: like justin Herbert you know where Yeah, well spill sprinkling,
Speaker 1: you know, like a run here and there, and you know,
Speaker 1: but they won't teams won't capitalize on his mobility outside
Speaker 1: his you know, improvisational scrambling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in terms of the stats, I think you hit
Speaker 5: it on the head. I think it's gonna be more
Speaker 5: like Herbert as opposed to a guy like Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5: He's using his legs to buy the time in the pocket,
Speaker 5: not to try to hurt you outside of it. That's
Speaker 5: why you see that elevated time to throw inside the pocket.
Speaker 4: But you will get a bit more.
Speaker 5: I do think you'll see extra touchdowns and different stuff
Speaker 5: like that. You can use him around the goal line.
Speaker 5: He gives you that extra option, right, the bootleg concept,
Speaker 5: stuff like that. If the first option is not there,
Speaker 5: he can just take it himself. Do you have an
Speaker 5: NFL comp for Caleb Williams Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty good comp. Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 5: It's the same sort of thing of extending those plays,
Speaker 5: the creativity and then that ability.
Speaker 4: To just launch it, just launch it.
Speaker 5: He has the it's not only the vision to see
Speaker 5: it and the it's the gumption as well, and then
Speaker 5: that arm strength, you know, a three quarters angle, get
Speaker 5: it fifty yards downfield, go to the opposite hash all
Speaker 5: that stuff. It's very reminiscent of Aaron Rodgers. I don't
Speaker 5: like that ubiquitous comp of Pat Mahomes. They're not the
Speaker 5: same body type and Pat Mahomes what he does, there's
Speaker 5: never been anyone down.
Speaker 4: There's no comp to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers is almost not fair, but I think
Speaker 5: that is a lot closer for Caleb Williams than Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Jaden Daniels from LSU.
Speaker 1: This is if you've got the first pick in a
Speaker 1: super flex Dynas Steve format, this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: tough call.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels is going to pound. He's gonna pound running games.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be He's you know, he's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of these guys where any given week you could be
Speaker 1: looking at eighty rushing yards.
Speaker 5: This is the guy that's gonna give you the rushing utility.
Speaker 5: He you know, put up more than a thousand rushing
Speaker 5: yards last season. You saw it throughout his collegiate career
Speaker 5: start out with HERM Edwards at Arizona State. He was
Speaker 5: the face of the franchise at Arizona State, his Jadan Daniels.
Speaker 5: His career stagnated there after the third year went to LSU.
Speaker 5: Brian Kelly went about recreating him as a passer. The
Speaker 5: first year at LSU. At LSU this is twenty twenty two,
Speaker 5: they focused on Jaden Daniels, let's stop putting the ball
Speaker 5: up for grabs. They were able to address that in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. They were able to
Speaker 5: get explosive plays while still keeping the turnovers down. So
Speaker 5: you saw all the skill sets start to flower up
Speaker 5: at that point. He brings two elite traits into the
Speaker 5: NFL in conjunction and number one, he's an elite downfield drower,
Speaker 5: one of the better ones we've seen coming to.
Speaker 4: The NFL last decade.
Speaker 5: You have that with the scrambling ability, so he you know,
Speaker 5: he stays in the pocket, stays in the pocket, admirably
Speaker 5: keeps those eyes downfield. The second it's not there anymore,
Speaker 5: you got a problem because he just shoots out of
Speaker 5: the pocket, immediately accelerates out really quickly. He'll be in
Speaker 5: the second level before the defenders even know he's out,
Speaker 5: you know, and all of a sudden, the sirens are
Speaker 5: going off in the state. It's like in Jurassic Park
Speaker 5: when the t Rex has gotten out of the cage
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, everyone's like, oh crap,
Speaker 5: now we have to corral jayde and Daniels, you know,
Speaker 5: and he's a real problem out of there. He has
Speaker 5: to learn how to get down though. You've seen some
Speaker 5: of those highlights on Twitter, you know, and different stuff
Speaker 5: like that where he just gets smoked. He's a skinny
Speaker 5: kid and he's a tough kid, so he takes He
Speaker 5: took all kinds of shots in college with the guy
Speaker 5: descending on him coming downhill and Jade Daniels, you know,
Speaker 5: they've run into him, be like a cartoonish type hit.
Speaker 5: Jade Daniels will go five yards back. Something he has
Speaker 5: to learn in the NFL. But he has those two superpowers.
Speaker 5: Learned these past couple of years how to have those
Speaker 5: quiet feet in the pocket. The intermediate stuff, the accuracy
Speaker 5: got better, the touch got better with everything else. So
Speaker 5: you know, the developmental curve is definitely pointing up with him.
Speaker 1: If you have the first pick in your super draft
Speaker 1: super flex league right now, who is it going to be?
Speaker 5: I'd say Caleb, depending on on the the you know, like,
Speaker 5: if we're saying Caleb's with the Bears, Jayden Daniels is what.
Speaker 1: Which assume he's with Washington, which is where he's likely
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 4: Well, man, it's tough. It is close.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna side ever so slightly with Caleb,
Speaker 5: but it's it is really close.
Speaker 1: It might depend a little bit on who your other
Speaker 1: quarterback is. If you want to go for the upside play.
Speaker 5: If you're swinging for the friend Daniels, Yeah, because he's
Speaker 5: going to bring you the rushing utility and then and
Speaker 5: then you you know, theoretically you're in Cliff Kingsbury's offense
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 4: You have the receivers there.
Speaker 5: I know Chicago's receivers have gotten better by Washington's got
Speaker 5: good receivers.
Speaker 4: Now they have.
Speaker 1: Good, not not great receivers. I think that's true. We'll
Speaker 1: call it that. Let's move over to Drake May. This
Speaker 1: is so interesting because he's so different from Williams and Daniels.
Speaker 3: They're all three very very different. I've seen some.
Speaker 1: Drake May hate out there. Chris Sims put him at
Speaker 1: six on his board of running back six my former colleague, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's I mean there's some Warner had him sixth.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah for Drake May.
Speaker 1: So this is your pocket passer. Last in our show
Speaker 1: last week, you compete, You comped him to Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: There is you know, he has some mobility, not lots,
Speaker 1: but he's got some. But that's not what he's there for.
Speaker 1: He is going to be Drake May is going to
Speaker 1: be your traditional pocket passer.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and and yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the the aspect of his game that's been
Speaker 5: a bit overblown. It's that the mobility thing, and and
Speaker 5: and out of the pocket thing, and you know, the
Speaker 5: op platform different stuff like that. Where he's really good,
Speaker 5: it's in the pocket. The downfield stuff. He has, the
Speaker 5: howitzer arm, everything like that does that. But yeah, that
Speaker 5: you know, as far as the rushing utility, I don't
Speaker 5: see as much of that that translate into the NFL.
Speaker 5: Stuff like that outside the pocket. Grade last year is
Speaker 5: forty six percentile under pressure percentile last season he was
Speaker 5: fifty first percentile. Those are the things that I don't
Speaker 5: think translate as well to the NFL. But the arm
Speaker 5: absolutely is is spectacular and he's going to be a
Speaker 5: good pocket passer in the NFL. But I would caution
Speaker 5: people against thinking that he's going to be like a
Speaker 5: Josh Allen type in terms of that rushing utility translating
Speaker 5: one to one.
Speaker 1: He does have that big, bigger body though he does.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean around the goal line potentially, you know,
Speaker 5: the one two yeard type.
Speaker 1: I can se him being affect touchdowns there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the passing is great and if if there's
Speaker 1: it's you could you could make a case that Drake
Speaker 1: may just as a passer, is as NFL ready as
Speaker 1: anybody in this draft, right for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean he ran Philongo offense twenty twenty two and
Speaker 5: showed that he could do all the vertical stuff that
Speaker 5: you would want. Last year went into a more what
Speaker 5: they would call a pro style thing with Lindsey there
Speaker 5: at UNC wasn't as creative of an offense, but more
Speaker 5: pro style type scheme there. So he's shown he can
Speaker 5: do a lot of different stuff work with a lot
Speaker 5: of different guys as well, So he is definitely pro ready.
Speaker 5: All right, So you've got Drake May third, and I
Speaker 5: have him actually four, I have him fourth. I do,
Speaker 5: of course, all right, so these are not Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I was looking at two different lists.
Speaker 1: Let's go to your number three quarterback. So we'll back
Speaker 1: up a step. Michigan's JJ McCarthy. You've now, you know,
Speaker 1: you've been pounding the drum for JJ McCarthy for several weeks. Now,
Speaker 1: I think you're single handedly moving the needle odd for
Speaker 1: several people. And I know in this town where we
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis here, where you've got a lot of different
Speaker 1: outlets and different ways to reach people, there's been a
Speaker 1: real interest in JJ McCarthy as a first round pick.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about JJ McCarthy and let's break his
Speaker 1: game down little bit. Yeah, yeah, there are parts of
Speaker 1: it that I know you absolutely love. The athleticism, decision making.
Speaker 3: Let's talk more about JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's really good off platform, really get out of structure,
Speaker 5: out of the pocket, throwing on the move in general,
Speaker 5: the improvisational stuff I really like about his game, and
Speaker 5: I don't think he gets enough credit for fitting that
Speaker 5: game into Jim Harbaugh's pro style system. When he went
Speaker 5: to Michigan, he was starting. By his second season, he
Speaker 5: displaced Kate McNamara. Kate McNamara, guy who stole the job
Speaker 5: of Joe Milton, another guy in this class. JJ goes
Speaker 5: in and steals his job. And then by year three,
Speaker 5: his true year three junior season, JJ wins the national title.
Speaker 5: This past season, he's got a bazooka for an arm.
Speaker 5: At the combine. You know, just this past week he
Speaker 5: had a sixty one mile per hour max velocity throw.
Speaker 5: The record that they have tracked there was sixty two.
Speaker 5: Josh Allen had a sixty two and then Joe Milton
Speaker 5: matched it this time.
Speaker 4: So that's nuts. Yeah, big time arm on him.
Speaker 5: And he can throw on the run with the velocity
Speaker 5: all three sectors of the field. He has that, and
Speaker 5: then he's a really really good athlete. Four fives is
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a safe assumption for what he's gonna run.
Speaker 5: Jim Harbod's mentioned that he runs in the four fours.
Speaker 5: We'll have to see on that because he didn't run
Speaker 5: at the combine. He did, however, weigh in fifteen pounds
Speaker 5: heavier than we thought he would weigh in at.
Speaker 4: That's a lot.
Speaker 3: That's a big difference.
Speaker 5: A big difference, and he ran the fifth fastest three
Speaker 5: cone in the entire event, including quarterbacks, all positions. Wow,
Speaker 5: at fifteen pounds heavier than we thought he was going
Speaker 5: to weigh in at.
Speaker 4: And you see that is.
Speaker 1: How does three How does the three cone translate to quarterback?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 5: In the open well, both in the pocket making people miss,
Speaker 5: and then when he's out in the open field he
Speaker 5: is very slippery. So I mean it's you know, other
Speaker 5: positions you could argue that it's more valuable, but with
Speaker 5: the quarterback position, it's not a nothing burger because he
Speaker 5: does go out there, he scrambles, and he does make
Speaker 5: people miss.
Speaker 1: They're probably spending too much time time out the mobility
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks. But I just I know from fantasy
Speaker 1: owners care about that for sure, because you know, it
Speaker 1: really does change the you know, changes both the floor
Speaker 1: and the ceiling of your quarterbacks so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think his floor is higher than he's
Speaker 5: gotten credit for. And I also think that his ceiling
Speaker 5: is too. Those things that we're talking, the improvisational thing,
Speaker 5: the out of the pocket thing, outer structured thing, throwing
Speaker 5: off platform, those are very rare traits of his I
Speaker 5: think those are going to translate for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Washington's Michael Pennix. We touched on him
Speaker 1: last week. There are things that we that we do
Speaker 1: like about him, particularly in the pocket. Let's let's break
Speaker 1: him down, and he's got a lot. There are plenty
Speaker 1: of concerns here to address with Penix as well, but
Speaker 1: there's a real chance he gets drafted in the middle
Speaker 1: of the second round to a team that needs him
Speaker 1: to start this year.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, JJ McCarthy was a big winner from the combine.
Speaker 5: I would say Michael Penix was the other big one
Speaker 5: from the quarterbacks for two reasons. Pennis had a very
Speaker 5: good throwing session as well, but the other one probably
Speaker 5: even the bigger one for Michael Pennix. The reports, that is,
Speaker 5: medicals came back clean, which was absolutely enormous for Michael Pennix.
Speaker 5: After his first four years in college, every single one
Speaker 5: of them ended with the season ending injury when he
Speaker 5: was at Indiana his last two years at Washington, got
Speaker 5: through both those seasons healthy. Then with the clean medical
Speaker 5: reports as well, the reports of those that is huge.
Speaker 5: Obviously had the really good seasons the last couple ones
Speaker 5: he has the live arm we have seen that was
Speaker 5: ludicrously productive the last couple of years in that Kaylin
Speaker 5: de Boor offense thrown to Rome with Dunza to McMillan
Speaker 5: and the polk as well. You love him in the
Speaker 5: pocket when he has his platform under him, when he
Speaker 5: doesn't have to move, that's when you see him ripping
Speaker 5: those throws off. He can get it wherever he wants
Speaker 5: to go. That's when he's really dangerous. The way that
Speaker 5: I think of Penix basically is as a sniper. The
Speaker 5: more he moves off of his spot, the more you
Speaker 5: can move him off the spot, the more you depreciate
Speaker 5: his accuracy on the move. When he's under pressure, that's
Speaker 5: when the accuracy goes down and the decision making starts
Speaker 5: to get a little bit wonky. But when you have
Speaker 5: the protection around him, he can stay on his spot.
Speaker 5: That's when he's super duper dangerous.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Well, let me ask you
Speaker 1: more broadly about penis. Do you find it players quarterbacks
Speaker 1: can develop into Can they develop accuracy when they're on
Speaker 1: the run. If we don't see it in college that
Speaker 1: guys can't deliver accurately when they're forced out of the pocket.
Speaker 1: Is that a trait you can get better at that.
Speaker 5: I think it's tougher to do because it's a mechanical
Speaker 5: thing and it's a field thing as well, and you know,
Speaker 5: in a touch thing and a field thing. I do
Speaker 5: think the one thing of Pennis's game that we didn't
Speaker 5: see as much at Washington that perhaps we might see
Speaker 5: a little bit more in the NFL. I've heard that
Speaker 5: Pennis was going to run faster at the combine then
Speaker 5: people think significantly faster than he thinks. And and by
Speaker 5: the way, the prop market out there, people that were
Speaker 5: monitoring this stuff, Penix's forty times was coming down, coming down,
Speaker 5: coming down, and people out there were shocked, like, why
Speaker 5: is this coming down? I heard out of the Penix's
Speaker 5: training camp whatever that he was running very fast. I
Speaker 5: think the one thing that you might see in the
Speaker 5: NFL a little bit more that might surprise people is
Speaker 5: Penix perhaps running a little bit more, you know, being
Speaker 5: used as a scrambler. I don't know if you'll see
Speaker 5: him throwing more effectively on the run. That would be,
Speaker 5: you know, remains to be seen, but I think you
Speaker 5: might he might utilize his legs a little bit more,
Speaker 5: depending on the system that he goes to.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's take a break. We came back
Speaker 1: bone Nicks. There's some people that love Bone Nicks and
Speaker 1: people that hate him. I mean it is super polarizing.
Speaker 1: By the way, Penix, U are you with me middle
Speaker 1: of the second round?
Speaker 4: I or him? Yes?
Speaker 1: So let's do some landing spots the Buccaneers if they
Speaker 1: don't sign a long term deal with Baker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, that's possible. I love that too, because they
Speaker 5: love to throw downfield. I think that is a really
Speaker 5: good fed that. In fact, that might be the top
Speaker 5: one for me. How about the Raiders I like that
Speaker 5: one too. Yeah, and he could go in and compete immediately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'still probably be the next week one starter up?
Speaker 1: What about the Vikings? I don't like the second.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell would have to modulate his system to allow
Speaker 5: Penix to fit into it because of that throwing on
Speaker 5: the run thing.
Speaker 1: The other thing about the Penis, But Kirk doesn't throw
Speaker 1: in the run. I mean, you know, it's a system
Speaker 1: has been built around a non mobile quarterback, and even
Speaker 1: though he can run, he.
Speaker 5: Does bootleg though there's bootleg concepts and also the layering
Speaker 5: stuff over the middle. You know, he likes to do
Speaker 5: the layering stuff attacking over the middle of the field.
Speaker 5: Penis the one sort of buggaboo about his throwing profile.
Speaker 5: He loves to attack the sidelines and then and then
Speaker 5: deep and that. But he didn't do it the middle
Speaker 5: of the field as much. So that would O'Connor would
Speaker 5: have to modulate the system a little bit for that.
Speaker 1: Penix to Pittsburgh, you know they need middle he would
Speaker 1: absolutely start for them right right away, right away. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: mister Pickett would be sabby exactly.
Speaker 3: I agreed. We'll take a break bow Knicks when we
Speaker 3: come back.
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Speaker 1: You were in a Kansas shirt right now, yeah, Octouk,
Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, ore Agast bow Knicks is maybe the most
Speaker 1: polarizing quarterback in this draft class. It's uh, he's generally
Speaker 1: getting Round two mock draft evaluations right now, but there
Speaker 1: are some people that have him as high as the
Speaker 1: third best quarterback in this draft class.
Speaker 5: Help me get a little smarter on bon Knicks. He
Speaker 5: would be more of a round three type guy for me.
Speaker 5: You know, you give him the flowers for the great
Speaker 5: year last year and the year before forty five to
Speaker 5: three TDI and that's awesome, which is awesome. You know,
Speaker 5: seventy five percent completions last two years combined. He did
Speaker 5: improve as a passer the last couple of years, but
Speaker 5: he was flattered by the offense that he played in.
Speaker 5: I think that offensive system addressed the deficiencies in Bonix's
Speaker 5: game more that we saw at Auburn, more than improvements
Speaker 5: in Bonickx's game. The things that I'm talking about, sitting
Speaker 5: back in the pocket, surveying your options, throwing downfield, the
Speaker 5: pocket presence thing, the downfield arm, different stuff like that
Speaker 5: you saw at Auburn. Sometimes he'd be a crash test
Speaker 5: dummy in the pocket that you know, the free rusher
Speaker 5: coming from behind, smacking them around. You'd see balls fluttering
Speaker 5: on him going downfield, different stuff like that. You didn't
Speaker 5: love when when he'd have to sit back there going
Speaker 5: through the progressions, a lot of times you'd see mistakes
Speaker 5: with that. The Oregon offensive system inoculated him from a
Speaker 5: lot of that kind of stuff. A spread system where
Speaker 5: the ball got out immediately. Just some stats to point
Speaker 5: at this. You know, I was talking about the average
Speaker 5: time to throw for Kayleb Williams. It was the exact
Speaker 5: opposite with Bonex one of the quickest in the class
Speaker 5: to throw two point four to four seconds. That was
Speaker 5: right there with Austin Reid of Western Kentucky. The classic
Speaker 5: air raid offense to just get it out immediately. Austin
Speaker 5: Reid was two point four to three seconds. It's just
Speaker 5: a Mickey Mouse offense. Bnick six point eight a dot
Speaker 5: last year. That's the lowest in this class. I mean
Speaker 5: even Austin Reid and his Mickey Mouse offense was eight
Speaker 5: point one. So the entire Oregon offense was just based
Speaker 5: on immediately getting the ball out to one of these
Speaker 5: awesome athletes on the perimeter and then letting him run.
Speaker 5: Troy Franklin, different guys like that, or Bucky Irving, you know,
Speaker 5: on a screen past Jordan James, the other guy they had.
Speaker 5: They had some of the tight ends, different stuff like that.
Speaker 5: That was what the offense was. And and you know,
Speaker 5: you you credit Bonnicks for the pre snap reads and
Speaker 5: the timing of that short stuff, different stuff like that,
Speaker 5: But I still don't trust him to do the other
Speaker 5: stuff that he struggled with at Auburn.
Speaker 4: We certainly didn't see it at Oregon.
Speaker 5: That's a lot of the stuff that you're in the
Speaker 5: NFL that you need to do to beat NFL defenses.
Speaker 5: So that's why I'm a little bit down on him.
Speaker 5: What do you like about bo Nick's game? I like
Speaker 5: that stuff, the shorten, the intermediate stuff. You know, it's
Speaker 5: a guy who can come in off the bench and
Speaker 5: you can trust him to do that. He's not going
Speaker 5: to put the ball up for grabs if you don't
Speaker 5: stretch him, you know, beyond his limitations. If you're going
Speaker 5: to ask him to sit back there in the pocket
Speaker 5: and try to beat a defense deep, try to read
Speaker 5: a defense, different stuff like that, he's going to make mistakes,
Speaker 5: you know, and then that's when you know you sit
Speaker 5: them back in the pockets, that's when he's going to
Speaker 5: start to get hit around stuff like that. He's going
Speaker 5: to start to put the ball up for grabs. But
Speaker 5: if it's those quick hitting concepts, different stuff like that,
Speaker 5: you can manufacture stuff with the efficiency stuff. You have
Speaker 5: to give up the explosive element of your offense to
Speaker 5: just take the efficiency stuff. That's the stuff that Bonix
Speaker 5: could do. But to me, he's he's a high end
Speaker 5: backup or potentially a very low end starter in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Could bo Nix be a project quarterback in that you
Speaker 1: need to teach him how to what three seconds in
Speaker 1: the pocket looks like, and you could do that over
Speaker 1: a year or two as he learns behind some other
Speaker 1: veterans starter, he.
Speaker 5: Could potentially get a little bit better at that thing.
Speaker 5: But first of all, he doesn't have the arm strength
Speaker 5: you know, to go deep. You do see those balls flutter.
Speaker 5: So even if he got better at sort of reading
Speaker 5: and the sort of the pocket presence thing that I'm
Speaker 5: talking about, as far as that stuff goes, I still
Speaker 5: don't think he would be awesome at attacking the deep
Speaker 5: sector of the field.
Speaker 1: Okay, Spencer Rattler had to reinvent himself at South Carolina
Speaker 1: did it pretty successfully. I mean, at one point a
Speaker 1: few years ago, we thought Spencer Rattler could be the
Speaker 1: first player taken in a draft draft. And then you know,
Speaker 1: the wheels came off, he had to transfer and it
Speaker 1: looked bad for him, and then he's managed to rebuild
Speaker 1: himself into a draftable quantity here, help me break down
Speaker 1: where Spencer Rattler is at this stage.
Speaker 5: He's a fascinating proposition. His first year is starting for
Speaker 5: Lincoln Riley. He was the first quarterback that Lincoln Riley
Speaker 5: ever started, where he was a hand pick guy out
Speaker 5: of high school. You know, prior to that, Lincoln Riley
Speaker 5: started a procession of the transfers. You know that came
Speaker 5: in Kyler, Murray, Baker, Mayfield different Jalen Hurts was the
Speaker 5: other one. And then Rattler comes in the first year
Speaker 5: that he started for Lincoln Riley, he had the best
Speaker 5: PFF graded season under pressure out of anyone except for
Speaker 5: the Pat mahomes last season at Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: So as the second best one in PFF history. Then
Speaker 5: you know, obviously things went downhill from there. That he
Speaker 5: had the season with Lincoln where he had the one
Speaker 5: foot out the door, was negotiating with LSU, eventually goes
Speaker 5: to USC Caleb Williams was nipping on his heels and
Speaker 5: then takes his job.
Speaker 4: Different stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Spencer Ratler had a clear, uh crisis of confidence. There
Speaker 5: was practices where the student newspaper they were up on.
Speaker 4: The the the roof of.
Speaker 5: The building, trying to look onto the practice field to
Speaker 5: see who was getting the QB one reps. Spencer Ratler
Speaker 5: didn't want to talk to the media and different stuff
Speaker 5: like that. He came into college and with the QB
Speaker 5: one show and he did not quit himself well with
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 4: Different stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So then he you know, was set about his journey
Speaker 5: to Sell Carolina and he had uh a come to
Speaker 5: Jesus moment, right, I mean, like yeah, And so that's
Speaker 5: what happened. And in year one at Sell Carolina, it
Speaker 5: was a really bad fit in terms of the thing
Speaker 5: that Rattler liked. It's sort of like well with Caleb
Speaker 5: Williams himself, he likes to buy the time in the
Speaker 5: and sort of go out on the tightrope and play
Speaker 5: with fire. He likes he does not mind pressure at all.
Speaker 5: He likes to scramble around, allow his receivers to break
Speaker 5: off the routes, different stuff like that.
Speaker 4: You run.
Speaker 5: At Oklahoma, he had all these you know, sleek athletes
Speaker 5: on the outside, and he had a really strong offensive line,
Speaker 5: different stuff like that. It facilitated that so he could
Speaker 5: do the high wire act and he was awesome at it.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's when everyone was like, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: this guy is he's pine sized, Pat Mahomes, this guy's
Speaker 5: gonna be the number one pick in the draft. But
Speaker 5: then when he goes to South Carolina, he was playing
Speaker 5: behind this rancid offensive line, so he was trying to
Speaker 5: do the same thing. He was just getting immediately sacked
Speaker 5: or else. He would just try to throw the ball
Speaker 5: up for grabs whatever, and you know, turnovers and different
Speaker 5: stuff like this. He was terrible that for a season
Speaker 5: last year, so that was in twenty twenty two. Last year,
Speaker 5: he modulated his game and the coaching staff modulated the
Speaker 5: scheme of bet to make it a better marriage. There
Speaker 5: was more instructure type stuff, quick passes to try to
Speaker 5: keep the pass rusher Bade. The offensive line at South
Speaker 5: Carolina was still tear, but they did more of the
Speaker 5: quick hitting stuff try to keep the pass rush of Bay.
Speaker 5: But Spencer Ratler also got smarter with the way that
Speaker 5: he was playing, you know two more you know to
Speaker 5: you know, be better with.
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff. So I the thing that you
Speaker 4: like about.
Speaker 5: Him, it's his arm and you like the the gump
Speaker 5: shom with that as well the pocket passing stuff.
Speaker 4: He's not a good athlete.
Speaker 5: As he showed at the combine, he was the worst
Speaker 5: tester at every single thing the quarterbacks were doing, but
Speaker 5: the pocket passing stuff. He has really good vision back
Speaker 5: there and he's got the gump shot. He can get
Speaker 5: it downfield. That's what I like about him. I also
Speaker 5: the humbling of him. We talked to him down to Mobile.
Speaker 5: Really nice kid, very generous with his time, different stuff
Speaker 5: like that. He's turned it around in terms of all
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, if you were to drop him onto a
Speaker 1: team that could maybe have him sit for a year
Speaker 1: or two and maybe finds his way into a starting
Speaker 1: role later on.
Speaker 3: What teams are we looking at?
Speaker 4: I think the Rams would be a really good fit
Speaker 4: for him. The Rams.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they took a shot. Yeah, they took a shot
Speaker 5: on Stetson Bennett last year. I think Spencer Ratler is
Speaker 5: a better version of that, and and a more mature
Speaker 5: version of that narrowly as well. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 5: they're a team that could take a shot on him. Pittsburgh,
Speaker 5: if you know, if they don't get one of the
Speaker 5: aforementioned guys that we were talking about, could be one.
Speaker 1: The New York Jets after Aaron Rodgers and he yes, they.
Speaker 5: Need to get their contingency plan and then the Buccaneers
Speaker 5: if they didn't get Michael, I think Pennix is the
Speaker 5: best fit for the Buccaneers, like I mentioned before, but
Speaker 5: if they missed out on him, I think Rattler's a
Speaker 5: guy that would make some sense for them too.
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up with two guys I don't
Speaker 1: want to spend a ton of time on because I
Speaker 1: don't think they've really got my It sounds like they
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have NFL starting trades here.
Speaker 3: But Michael Pratt from Tulane.
Speaker 5: Pratt's a guy who's been around for a long time.
Speaker 5: A couple of years ago they beat usc. Pratt was
Speaker 5: the big him and Tajy spears with the guys that
Speaker 5: turned around tu Lane. He's a very strong athlete, had
Speaker 5: an eight point two to three raz He has an
Speaker 5: NFL's frame six three, two hundred and twenty pounds about So.
Speaker 4: That's what you like about him.
Speaker 5: He's I see him as sort of like a discount
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones, like a knockoff to Daniel Jones. Like that,
Speaker 5: he gives you the mobility aspect, he gives you the
Speaker 5: short area out to the intermediate accuracy. He doesn't put
Speaker 5: the ball up for grabs, doesn't doesn't have a howitzer,
Speaker 5: So you have that kind of stuff with him. He's
Speaker 5: a smart kid, he has he has the leadership, people
Speaker 5: liked him at Tulane. My concerns with him it's, you know,
Speaker 5: the lack of arm strength and then also the medicals
Speaker 5: he had. He had a series of concussions at Tulane.
Speaker 5: He also had a serious shoulder injury at Tulane. So
Speaker 5: I'm wondering how long his you know, the career is
Speaker 5: going to go on different stuff like that if he
Speaker 5: has to play a whole bunch. But I do think
Speaker 5: he could be a backup in the NFL for a
Speaker 5: very long time if he's not forced into action.
Speaker 1: All right, Joe Milton threw the ball sixty two miles
Speaker 1: an hour at the Combine. Gigantic arm.
Speaker 5: Not a lot else, right, Yes, absolutely ridiculous arm. Might
Speaker 5: have the strongest arm in the NFL. From the day
Speaker 5: he gets drafted. Shade over sixty five, two hundred and
Speaker 5: forty pounds. He has that Bazuka arm. He's also a
Speaker 5: really good athlete. It was twenty two, twenty three miles
Speaker 5: per hour. They clocked him on the thing on one.
Speaker 1: Of his touchdown runs.
Speaker 4: Stupid.
Speaker 5: He also can do standing backflips, which has done before
Speaker 5: a game. Is a different stuff like that, So you
Speaker 5: love all that stuff. The problem with Joe Milton is,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, he got recruited in by Michigan,
Speaker 5: so he was being groomed by Jim Harbad. They gave
Speaker 5: him the starting job. Then he gets bench for Cad McNamara,
Speaker 5: who was then summarily bench for JJ McCarthy. So then
Speaker 5: Joe Milton goes to Tennessee where he was being groomed
Speaker 5: by Josh Hipel and was going to get to start
Speaker 5: in the best quarterback friendly system in college football, then
Speaker 5: gets bench for Hendon Hooker. After he wins that job,
Speaker 5: he sticks around, did get to start last season, but
Speaker 5: you didn't get to see the whole manifestation of that
Speaker 5: Bazuka arm because he excused conservative because he's trying to
Speaker 5: keep the ball out of Harm's way, because he doesn't
Speaker 5: read the field very well. He has absolute scattershot accuracy,
Speaker 5: and again he doesn't see the field well. The pocket
Speaker 5: presence isn't isn't there either? If Josh Hipel couldn't get
Speaker 5: through to him. If Jim Harbaugh couldn't get through to him,
Speaker 5: you wonder if any other NFL coaches. I will say
Speaker 5: he's a great kid. I think he won the Senior
Speaker 5: Bowl Award for being like the guy who is nicest.
Speaker 4: Audulton.
Speaker 5: And he's also has the most physical ability. I comp
Speaker 5: him to Cardial Jones just for that stupid arm twelve gage. Okay,
Speaker 5: but yeah, the light's gonna have if you know, one
Speaker 5: in a thousand shot, the light goes on. Now you're
Speaker 5: cooking with gas, but it is a one in a
Speaker 5: thousand shot.
Speaker 1: All right, great job on the quarterbacks. Well done. We'll
Speaker 1: look forward to talking to you more about running backs
Speaker 1: and a forthcoming show. Thor and I guy Trey Benson
Speaker 1: love it. Oh Man, super excited. I can't wait for that.
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