WEBVTT - JJ 'Aint A Walker 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.760 Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:11.160 Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:15.200 source for the nation's best fantasy football advice, speculation, and 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.599 whatever stupid stuff they decide to drop into the show. Now, 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.400 here's your host, Paul Charian. 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:27.040 Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly. I'm Paul Chargian. Very excited 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.760 to start the deep dive on rookies with Thor and 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.760 eystro Hey, buddy, Hey, how you doing. Oh God, It's 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.800 gonna be great draft season. Just so much fun, so 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.760 much learning, so much fresh blood. We're here in the 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.559 we are it's all. It's already here. Yeah, combines in 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:50.159 the rearview mirror. We've got Pro days looming, but not 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.360 you know, not imminent I think quite yet for most 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.960 of them. But a lot of exciting stuff. Here's the 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.400 here's the format we're gonna use. We're gonna doot. We're 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:03.480 gonna do quarterbacks today here this show. Next week it'll 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.560 be free agency. We're gonna talk about all the big 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.360 free agent moves. Then we're gonna do running backs, rookie 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.200 running backs, rookie wide receivers. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.880 Sound good. I can't wait, can't wait. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.400 Let's start quarterbacks, particularly Saley with the with the now 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:21.319 almost I don't want to call it ubiquitous, just but 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:27.479 so many more different leagues are now using super flex. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.480 Quarterbacks are so important right now, more so than ever 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.880 before in fantasy, and I love it all my league. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:34.360 That's to me. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.760 Super flex is just now, that's that's how I play. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:38.960 It's a way to go. It is. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.520 Otherwise there's just more good quarterbacks than there are teams 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.679 in your league, and that the value, just the value 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:46.800 the whole position goes down. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:47.520 Totally agree. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.480 Yeah, so we're we're super flex super flex fans over here. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:55.000 I'd rather play in a two quarterback mandatory than a 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.160 one quarterback league. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:57.120 Yeah, I'd go that far. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.720 All right, let's let's roll up on sleep and quarterbacks. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.200 Now you've given me lists of guys you want to 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.400 talk about. We're gonna hit on nine quarterbacks in this show. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.440 Nine rookie quarterbacks. Are they in the order you would 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:11.960 draft them in? 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:12.480 Yes? 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:13.960 That you give him to me? Okay, and you have 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:14.960 the right to change your mind. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.320 Okay, it's March, right, so now, yeah, that's right, you 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:19.720 have the right. So we're not going to hold you 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.360 to this let's start with quarterback number one, USC's Caleb Williams. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:24.239 Let's break him down. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.000 Yeah, six foot one, two hundred and fourteen pounds, didn't 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:29.959 work out at the combine. We didn't get to see 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.320 him throw, didn't get to see him work out. We howered, 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.200 we did get to you exactly. We did get to 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.040 see his podium session start out with a very rude question. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:38.960 I actually give him credit for not walking off the 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:43.080 podium with that. But you know, talking about his game. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.960 Loved the physical ability, the kids got a cannon, super 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.400 creative bent to his game as well. You know, you 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.799 add in the athleticism and this goes into the one 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.400 nitpick you have about him. He loves to move around 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.960 the pocket by time, arguably a little bit too much. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.000 That's the one thing he's gonna have to modulate in 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.720 the NFL. His average time to throw last year three 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.560 point one six seconds. It was also over three seconds 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.840 the year before. That's when you get a little bit 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.640 up into dangerous zone. I will say that's his prerogative, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.600 though he likes to do that. It was his choice, right, 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.800 Like it's not a slow processor's letting plays developed. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:20.720 That's exactly right. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.160 He wants the receivers to be allowed to break those 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.480 routes off. He wants to play playground ball. I mean, 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.440 that's what he does. He can he can denote that 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.560 down the field, he keeps his eyes up and then 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.120 he can get the pass off any arm angle, immediately 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.320 throw it downfield from any arm angle, and get it 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.840 even down to the third level. So that's what his 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.840 game is. But he's gonna have to modulate that a 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.080 little bit. He's gonna have to play with instructure a 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.440 little bit more. But his out of structure game is 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.920 absolutely fabulous. And obviously the physical tools are elite. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:52.800 Yeah. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.720 And he's going to help fantasy players with some mobility 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.400 as well. Absolutely, And you know we all know that. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:00.800 You know, at the end of the day, you can 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.400 just score so many points that way. Talk to me 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.640 about how you think Caleb Williams mobility will translate to 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.560 the NFL. Will he and we don't know the landing spot, yeah, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.320 but presumably the Bears, you know, will he be used 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.000 as a runner? Do you think or do you think 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.080 just the past, you know, the pocket passing is so 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.400 good and well and out of pocket as well, that 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.840 maybe you know, he's just gonna it's gonna be more 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.680 like justin Herbert you know where Yeah, well spill sprinkling, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.640 you know, like a run here and there, and you know, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.000 but they won't teams won't capitalize on his mobility outside 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.720 his you know, improvisational scrambling. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.680 Yeah, in terms of the stats, I think you hit 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.320 it on the head. I think it's gonna be more 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.160 like Herbert as opposed to a guy like Lamar Jackson. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.400 He's using his legs to buy the time in the pocket, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.120 not to try to hurt you outside of it. That's 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.880 why you see that elevated time to throw inside the pocket. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.600 But you will get a bit more. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.480 I do think you'll see extra touchdowns and different stuff 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.480 like that. You can use him around the goal line. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.279 He gives you that extra option, right, the bootleg concept, 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.520 stuff like that. If the first option is not there, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.640 he can just take it himself. Do you have an 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.960 NFL comp for Caleb Williams Aaron Rodgers. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.160 Yeah, that's a pretty good comp. Yeah, it's pretty good. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.560 It's the same sort of thing of extending those plays, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.080 the creativity and then that ability. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.120 To just launch it, just launch it. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.960 He has the it's not only the vision to see 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.160 it and the it's the gumption as well, and then 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.800 that arm strength, you know, a three quarters angle, get 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.440 it fifty yards downfield, go to the opposite hash all 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.320 that stuff. It's very reminiscent of Aaron Rodgers. I don't 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.599 like that ubiquitous comp of Pat Mahomes. They're not the 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.159 same body type and Pat Mahomes what he does, there's 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:43.280 never been anyone down. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:44.440 There's no comp to that. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.839 Yeah, Aaron Rodgers is almost not fair, but I think 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.600 that is a lot closer for Caleb Williams than Pat Mahomes. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.560 Let's go to Jaden Daniels from LSU. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.120 This is if you've got the first pick in a 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:03.080 super flex Dynas Steve format, this is gonna be a 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:03.680 tough call. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:04.280 Yeah it is. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.599 Jaden Daniels is going to pound. He's gonna pound running games. 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.720 He's gonna be He's you know, he's gonna be one 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.719 of these guys where any given week you could be 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.040 looking at eighty rushing yards. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.520 This is the guy that's gonna give you the rushing utility. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.159 He you know, put up more than a thousand rushing 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.480 yards last season. You saw it throughout his collegiate career 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.240 start out with HERM Edwards at Arizona State. He was 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.600 the face of the franchise at Arizona State, his Jadan Daniels. 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.679 His career stagnated there after the third year went to LSU. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.359 Brian Kelly went about recreating him as a passer. The 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.200 first year at LSU. At LSU this is twenty twenty two, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.880 they focused on Jaden Daniels, let's stop putting the ball 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.359 up for grabs. They were able to address that in 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.400 twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. They were able to 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:53.440 get explosive plays while still keeping the turnovers down. So 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.040 you saw all the skill sets start to flower up 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.800 at that point. He brings two elite traits into the 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.360 NFL in conjunction and number one, he's an elite downfield drower, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:03.760 one of the better ones we've seen coming to. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.000 The NFL last decade. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.120 You have that with the scrambling ability, so he you know, 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.360 he stays in the pocket, stays in the pocket, admirably 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.680 keeps those eyes downfield. The second it's not there anymore, 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.720 you got a problem because he just shoots out of 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.840 the pocket, immediately accelerates out really quickly. He'll be in 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.160 the second level before the defenders even know he's out, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.880 you know, and all of a sudden, the sirens are 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.760 going off in the state. It's like in Jurassic Park 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:26.600 when the t Rex has gotten out of the cage 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.880 and then all of a sudden, everyone's like, oh crap, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.800 now we have to corral jayde and Daniels, you know, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.120 and he's a real problem out of there. He has 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.440 to learn how to get down though. You've seen some 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.840 of those highlights on Twitter, you know, and different stuff 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.360 like that where he just gets smoked. He's a skinny 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.160 kid and he's a tough kid, so he takes He 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.600 took all kinds of shots in college with the guy 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.160 descending on him coming downhill and Jade Daniels, you know, 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.320 they've run into him, be like a cartoonish type hit. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.800 Jade Daniels will go five yards back. Something he has 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.080 to learn in the NFL. But he has those two superpowers. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.560 Learned these past couple of years how to have those 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.120 quiet feet in the pocket. The intermediate stuff, the accuracy 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.320 got better, the touch got better with everything else. So 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:11.760 you know, the developmental curve is definitely pointing up with him. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.840 If you have the first pick in your super draft 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.160 super flex league right now, who is it going to be? 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.520 I'd say Caleb, depending on on the the you know, like, 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.280 if we're saying Caleb's with the Bears, Jayden Daniels is what. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.880 Which assume he's with Washington, which is where he's likely 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:30.240 to go. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.960 Well, man, it's tough. It is close. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:39.240 I'm gonna I'm gonna side ever so slightly with Caleb, 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:40.760 but it's it is really close. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.880 It might depend a little bit on who your other 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.400 quarterback is. If you want to go for the upside play. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.559 If you're swinging for the friend Daniels, Yeah, because he's 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.040 going to bring you the rushing utility and then and 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.960 then you you know, theoretically you're in Cliff Kingsbury's offense 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:55.400 as well. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.400 You have the receivers there. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.840 I know Chicago's receivers have gotten better by Washington's got 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:01.439 good receivers. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:01.920 Now they have. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:06.160 Good, not not great receivers. I think that's true. We'll 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.120 call it that. Let's move over to Drake May. This 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.920 is so interesting because he's so different from Williams and Daniels. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.640 They're all three very very different. I've seen some. 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.959 Drake May hate out there. Chris Sims put him at 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:26.079 six on his board of running back six my former colleague, Yeah, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.800 there's I mean there's some Warner had him sixth. 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:30.320 Oh wow. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:31.640 Yeah for Drake May. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.680 So this is your pocket passer. Last in our show 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.320 last week, you compete, You comped him to Justin Herbert. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.840 There is you know, he has some mobility, not lots, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.000 but he's got some. But that's not what he's there for. 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:47.959 He is going to be Drake May is going to 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.160 be your traditional pocket passer. 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.360 Yes, yes, and and yeah. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.800 I think the the aspect of his game that's been 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.080 a bit overblown. It's that the mobility thing, and and 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.440 and out of the pocket thing, and you know, the 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.720 op platform different stuff like that. Where he's really good, 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.640 it's in the pocket. The downfield stuff. He has, the 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.720 howitzer arm, everything like that does that. But yeah, that 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.079 you know, as far as the rushing utility, I don't 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.480 see as much of that that translate into the NFL. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.240 Stuff like that outside the pocket. Grade last year is 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.880 forty six percentile under pressure percentile last season he was 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.760 fifty first percentile. Those are the things that I don't 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.720 think translate as well to the NFL. But the arm 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.640 absolutely is is spectacular and he's going to be a 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.120 good pocket passer in the NFL. But I would caution 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.160 people against thinking that he's going to be like a 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.559 Josh Allen type in terms of that rushing utility translating 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:38.040 one to one. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.520 He does have that big, bigger body though he does. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.200 Yeah, yeah, I mean around the goal line potentially, you know, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.560 the one two yeard type. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.760 I can se him being affect touchdowns there. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:47.840 But yeah, that the rest of it. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.200 Yeah, but the passing is great and if if there's 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.559 it's you could you could make a case that Drake 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.000 may just as a passer, is as NFL ready as 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:58.760 anybody in this draft, right for sure. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:10:59.080 Yeah. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.400 I mean he ran Philongo offense twenty twenty two and 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.560 showed that he could do all the vertical stuff that 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.080 you would want. Last year went into a more what 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.719 they would call a pro style thing with Lindsey there 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.920 at UNC wasn't as creative of an offense, but more 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.400 pro style type scheme there. So he's shown he can 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.360 do a lot of different stuff work with a lot 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.640 of different guys as well, So he is definitely pro ready. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.720 All right, So you've got Drake May third, and I 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.600 have him actually four, I have him fourth. I do, 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.720 of course, all right, so these are not Oh yeah, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:29.480 you're absolutely right. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:30.760 I was looking at two different lists. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.760 Let's go to your number three quarterback. So we'll back 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.440 up a step. Michigan's JJ McCarthy. You've now, you know, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.880 you've been pounding the drum for JJ McCarthy for several weeks. Now, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.080 I think you're single handedly moving the needle odd for 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.000 several people. And I know in this town where we 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.040 in Minneapolis here, where you've got a lot of different 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:53.480 outlets and different ways to reach people, there's been a 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.560 real interest in JJ McCarthy as a first round pick. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.280 So let's talk about JJ McCarthy and let's break his 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.040 game down little bit. Yeah, yeah, there are parts of 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:06.559 it that I know you absolutely love. The athleticism, decision making. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.240 Let's talk more about JJ McCarthy. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.240 Yeah, he's really good off platform, really get out of structure, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.439 out of the pocket, throwing on the move in general, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.240 the improvisational stuff I really like about his game, and 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.000 I don't think he gets enough credit for fitting that 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.640 game into Jim Harbaugh's pro style system. When he went 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.760 to Michigan, he was starting. By his second season, he 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.280 displaced Kate McNamara. Kate McNamara, guy who stole the job 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.680 of Joe Milton, another guy in this class. JJ goes 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.680 in and steals his job. And then by year three, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.880 his true year three junior season, JJ wins the national title. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.920 This past season, he's got a bazooka for an arm. 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.640 At the combine. You know, just this past week he 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.240 had a sixty one mile per hour max velocity throw. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.720 The record that they have tracked there was sixty two. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.040 Josh Allen had a sixty two and then Joe Milton 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:58.240 matched it this time. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.080 So that's nuts. Yeah, big time arm on him. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.000 And he can throw on the run with the velocity 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.720 all three sectors of the field. He has that, and 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.839 then he's a really really good athlete. Four fives is 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.720 I mean, that's a safe assumption for what he's gonna run. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.520 Jim Harbod's mentioned that he runs in the four fours. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.640 We'll have to see on that because he didn't run 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.600 at the combine. He did, however, weigh in fifteen pounds 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.440 heavier than we thought he would weigh in at. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:24.040 That's a lot. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:25.000 That's a big difference. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.520 A big difference, and he ran the fifth fastest three 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.360 cone in the entire event, including quarterbacks, all positions. Wow, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.280 at fifteen pounds heavier than we thought he was going 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:35.920 to weigh in at. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.440 And you see that is. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.439 How does three How does the three cone translate to quarterback? 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:40.720 Though? 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.800 In the open well, both in the pocket making people miss, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.360 and then when he's out in the open field he 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.280 is very slippery. So I mean it's you know, other 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.880 positions you could argue that it's more valuable, but with 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.480 the quarterback position, it's not a nothing burger because he 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.480 does go out there, he scrambles, and he does make 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:57.200 people miss. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.600 They're probably spending too much time time out the mobility 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.720 of these quarterbacks. But I just I know from fantasy 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.800 owners care about that for sure, because you know, it 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.520 really does change the you know, changes both the floor 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.240 and the ceiling of your quarterbacks so much. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.040 Yeah, and I think his floor is higher than he's 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.360 gotten credit for. And I also think that his ceiling 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.319 is too. Those things that we're talking, the improvisational thing, 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.920 the out of the pocket thing, outer structured thing, throwing 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.160 off platform, those are very rare traits of his I 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.400 think those are going to translate for JJ McCarthy. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.880 Let's go to Washington's Michael Pennix. We touched on him 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.600 last week. There are things that we that we do 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.600 like about him, particularly in the pocket. Let's let's break 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.600 him down, and he's got a lot. There are plenty 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.200 of concerns here to address with Penix as well, but 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.640 there's a real chance he gets drafted in the middle 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.040 of the second round to a team that needs him 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:45.720 to start this year. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:46.440 For sure. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.240 Yeah, JJ McCarthy was a big winner from the combine. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.200 I would say Michael Penix was the other big one 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.240 from the quarterbacks for two reasons. Pennis had a very 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.800 good throwing session as well, but the other one probably 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.880 even the bigger one for Michael Pennix. The reports, that is, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.680 medicals came back clean, which was absolutely enormous for Michael Pennix. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.360 After his first four years in college, every single one 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.600 of them ended with the season ending injury when he 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.280 was at Indiana his last two years at Washington, got 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.440 through both those seasons healthy. Then with the clean medical 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.200 reports as well, the reports of those that is huge. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.000 Obviously had the really good seasons the last couple ones 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.240 he has the live arm we have seen that was 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.440 ludicrously productive the last couple of years in that Kaylin 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.520 de Boor offense thrown to Rome with Dunza to McMillan 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.120 and the polk as well. You love him in the 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.120 pocket when he has his platform under him, when he 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.480 doesn't have to move, that's when you see him ripping 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.400 those throws off. He can get it wherever he wants 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.160 to go. That's when he's really dangerous. The way that 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.600 I think of Penix basically is as a sniper. The 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.640 more he moves off of his spot, the more you 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.680 can move him off the spot, the more you depreciate 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.320 his accuracy on the move. When he's under pressure, that's 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.960 when the accuracy goes down and the decision making starts 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.160 to get a little bit wonky. But when you have 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.560 the protection around him, he can stay on his spot. 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.760 That's when he's super duper dangerous. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.720 All right, let's talk about Well, let me ask you 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.720 more broadly about penis. Do you find it players quarterbacks 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:23.000 can develop into Can they develop accuracy when they're on 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.960 the run. If we don't see it in college that 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.720 guys can't deliver accurately when they're forced out of the pocket. 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.440 Is that a trait you can get better at that. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.800 I think it's tougher to do because it's a mechanical 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.400 thing and it's a field thing as well, and you know, 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.000 in a touch thing and a field thing. I do 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.680 think the one thing of Pennis's game that we didn't 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.720 see as much at Washington that perhaps we might see 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.080 a little bit more in the NFL. I've heard that 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.400 Pennis was going to run faster at the combine then 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.600 people think significantly faster than he thinks. And and by 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.360 the way, the prop market out there, people that were 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.160 monitoring this stuff, Penix's forty times was coming down, coming down, 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.520 coming down, and people out there were shocked, like, why 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.359 is this coming down? I heard out of the Penix's 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.200 training camp whatever that he was running very fast. I 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.119 think the one thing that you might see in the 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.520 NFL a little bit more that might surprise people is 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.240 Penix perhaps running a little bit more, you know, being 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.880 used as a scrambler. I don't know if you'll see 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.359 him throwing more effectively on the run. That would be, 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.159 you know, remains to be seen, but I think you 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.919 might he might utilize his legs a little bit more, 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.439 depending on the system that he goes to. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.560 Okay, all right, let's take a break. We came back 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.920 bone Nicks. There's some people that love Bone Nicks and 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.840 people that hate him. I mean it is super polarizing. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.359 By the way, Penix, U are you with me middle 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:51.160 of the second round? 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:52.160 I or him? Yes? 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.719 So let's do some landing spots the Buccaneers if they 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.679 don't sign a long term deal with Baker. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.880 Yeah, yes, that's possible. I love that too, because they 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:02.920 love to throw downfield. I think that is a really 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.760 good fed that. In fact, that might be the top 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.199 one for me. How about the Raiders I like that 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.960 one too. Yeah, and he could go in and compete immediately. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.640 Yeah, he'still probably be the next week one starter up? 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.080 What about the Vikings? I don't like the second. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:16.919 I think that. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.880 Kevin O'Connell would have to modulate his system to allow 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.159 Penix to fit into it because of that throwing on 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:22.679 the run thing. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.120 The other thing about the Penis, But Kirk doesn't throw 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.159 in the run. I mean, you know, it's a system 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.400 has been built around a non mobile quarterback, and even 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:30.680 though he can run, he. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.720