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Speaker 1: the thing, I don't want to share a mike with

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Speaker 1: allow ourselves to see each other like that? Well, can

425
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: I can I ask you guys a question? This is

426
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of switch inside. Can I ask a question

427
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: Russ with the subject because we're talking about East West right. Yeah,

428
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: what you say, bro, I understand what young man. He's

429
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: on my side now listen, he said, West, how do

430
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: you how do you East coast? How do you East coast?

431
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: Brothers spill right now? Being in l A what short

432
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: sleeves on? I dropped him, Mike, Well, Jack holdest fucking

433
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: New York. But how do y'all feel being in my

434
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: town right now with short sleeves off? Other than the weather?

435
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not in love with anything outside. I put that,

436
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: and I feel, I feel, I feel a little soft.

437
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna I feel fragile. No, no, no, Russell, Russell,

438
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: you said something and and and pay today. I love it.

439
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: But I know that you say. I know that you

440
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: say other than other than the weather, you don't like.

441
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: I like, here's my question because at this at this age,

442
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: for me, I'm probably the oldest guy in the circle.

443
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: Right the second I think, man mellows kind of okay,

444
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: well we probably I'm pretty five. I got you, Paul,

445
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: He's I mean, we're all relatively the same age somewhere.

446
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: You you're youngster. You look like you ain't got no grazes.

447
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: I can just remend, so don't worry. But I know,

448
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is I could live anywhere right now.

449
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where because I'm not in the club.

450
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for the culture of the city. I

451
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: can live pretty much in any city as long as

452
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: they got a decent mall or decent movie theaters and

453
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: some nice restaurants. I'm gona be in the house anyway. So,

454
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't understand when people say I

455
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: don't like you l A. I'm like, the fund does

456
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: that even mean? Maybe maybe you're on some old school

457
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: energy being. Maybe get off of it. I take it.

458
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm the one that's gonna get it's over. I'm gonna

459
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: get attacked in this conversation because I'm the only one

460
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: that's not like I get it now. I'm not gonna

461
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: tell you, so back to I didn't know you from

462
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: l A. Born in Cuba, raised the l A. My man, Yeah,

463
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm on you. We got you got the body we

464
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: got from south Gate, from south Gate, he's like my

465
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: south So I mean, yeah, okay, okay, no. But my

466
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: my thing that I really doug when you guys were

467
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: talking about, was the whole dynamic about being this or

468
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: being the other more than you know, I won't take

469
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: it back to that type of ship because for so

470
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: many years I lived out my Latino side, and it

471
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: wasn't so about five years ago that I started to

472
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: tap it more to my own blackness, you feel me.

473
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: And so that dynamic in itself causes some sort of

474
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: of a weird dynamic itself, because I remember at one

475
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: at one point in my life being too Latino to

476
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: be black and too black to be Latino. So they

477
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: you get stuck in this fucked up little area where

478
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: nobody wants to funk with you, you know. And and

479
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't so I made records that make motherfucker's just

480
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: come to my party, that that whole thing changed, and

481
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: now I'd still be probably in that dynamic. Yeah. So

482
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: for me, I went through that younger younger because I'm

483
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: raised to X plan. I mean, I'm not saying you're not.

484
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying and I was young, I was, you know,

485
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: in it, and I identified, you know, I was a

486
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: hood kid in the stadi with more well, I actually

487
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: I thought I was black. I actually thought that you

488
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: are black. But I know, I know you know, so

489
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm that's cool. It's cool to say. It's cool to

490
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: say now, yeah, but back then it was like, oh,

491
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm the odd ball, so in your way for me,

492
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't black enough, I wasn't whiting m and I

493
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: wasn't even Latino enough. I recently started getting burned there

494
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: in that in that space, so people like you recently, Yeah,

495
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: to let you understand my sister's wedding, they were the

496
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: DJ was given away a free twelve inch to the

497
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: best dancer, and I danced because I was a breakdancer,

498
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: and I danced, and I won the contest. You know,

499
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: maybe my sister's wedding, that's when I won, you know

500
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. So the DJ gave me the twelve

501
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: int and it was it was your delicious vinyl and

502
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: step back, I'm sinking like so so your joint, your joint,

503
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: you had joy right, and I never heard that type

504
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: of stuff, right, so I'd be home rocking to that, like,

505
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: oh word this exists. Of course, I knew a little

506
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: bit about black rock and ron you know, and so

507
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know too much about because I'm not from

508
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: the Bronx, so I didn't know the lineards. Of course,

509
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: I knew Crazy Legs and Ken Swift and what they

510
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: were doing in Beech Street. It's not like that carried

511
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: on because I'm going through black medallions. I'm going through

512
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: native tongue era with that that that identity, My identity

513
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: wasn't there. Yeah, I'm learning about you know, this aggressive

514
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: like revolutionary ship. My mother had me protesting against Ronald

515
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: Reagan and I'm like, what's the next thing? So here

516
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm dressing like illmatic, army fatigues. You know, that's

517
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: how we work. That's that's how I looked at it.

518
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: And then you come out and then you start learning

519
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: about the young lords that they existed, and I'm like, oh, Ship,

520
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: we do have a little identity, you know what I mean.

521
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: So it's tricky. So now I'm probably like in that

522
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: different space where I'm like, Yo, we've advanced, we're doing well,

523
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: and now we have to pull each other up. What

524
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: is going on? Oh Ship? Yo, he's drinking. Yo. A

525
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: movie I need to get made is Roberta Clemente because

526
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: he kissed it with talking with him on Yeah, but

527
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: you know it was like it made ton of him,

528
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: It made fun of it. He was all about bringing

529
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: it back home. You know. When he when he won,

530
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: he went outside he left. He left left his teammate. Yeah. Yo.

531
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: He when he celebrated with the fan like he was

532
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: about bringing it home. Man, he brought in to Puerto Rico.

533
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: He's an idol. Man. Listen, man, that's what I'm saying. Now,

534
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: you keep talking. I'm talking to New York. The ship

535
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: is nanny, know what I was saying. I'm gonna tell

536
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: you the funny, I don't know. That is the person

537
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about up. That's how No, no,

538
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: not only that, not only that died. Yeah, he's the

539
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: primise of example of how fucking badly the United States

540
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: fucking school system filmed films US A lot of a

541
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: lot of things. He failed. It's crazy, a lot of things.

542
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: So he died. So if they would cover him, they'll

543
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: write his English, they'll spell it phonetically incorrect, all right,

544
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: because it was like mocking him, right and like he like,

545
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: they'll do a bunch of stuff like that. Um. And

546
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: then he was a man of the people, legit. Unfortunately,

547
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: New Year's Day, right after he does the three thousand,

548
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: he would go and he was, like I said, when

549
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: he won the World Series, he went to the fans,

550
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: he said something to his family during the sports interview,

551
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: and he went outside alone and celebrated with the fans.

552
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: That's how much of the people. Not only that, the

553
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Gentleman on New Year's Day got on the plane to

554
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: go to Nicko Robbers after the earthquake. On that flight

555
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: on New Year's Day day leaving Puerto Rico, it crashes.

556
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: That's how. Don't say it, Russell. I know Russell. I

557
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: already know his mind spinning. That's how he's going. But

558
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: you don't take it there, So leave it alone. I

559
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: know him. I'm listening to the story. Let him live

560
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: be I know the guy. So that's how the gentleman.

561
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: That's how the Gentleman passed. And as far as like identity,

562
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: he was dark skinned, he was he was getting made

563
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: fun of, he was getting you know, and he was, Yeah,

564
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: he was worried. I guarantee you I'm gonna google tonight.

565
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: I need to know who this is because I'm listening.

566
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm very literal, and it was and was not tired,

567
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: but which nobody. You know what. I had a lot

568
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: of friends that I grew up with me here that

569
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: went to h B c U S right, and when

570
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: they would come home for Christmas, or you know, when

571
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: they would come home for the summer breaks. That's when

572
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: I used to get educated on ship, right. And it's

573
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: like sad because but it's true. And so they bet

574
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: you don't know. I'm like mother, how what I know?

575
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: I don't know my mother and father what you know?

576
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: Not My parents were trying to get so far away

577
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: from from black you know, because they didn't want you

578
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: to have that stigma. They wanted you to be able

579
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: to just be a regular human being and you know,

580
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: make it through. And so they tried, you know, they

581
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: didn't even want me to even deal with that kind

582
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: of stuff. It was like, no, you're you're not a

583
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: black American, You're just an American. And they were trying

584
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. But they just didn't know

585
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: what they were rotting me from, which is why I

586
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: have a problem with all the stuff that they're doing

587
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: right now. Socially. You guys may disagree with me, but

588
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: let's just take for instance, an't your mima the antient Mama, sir?

589
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: They've taken her completely off the bottle. Yeah, it doesn't

590
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: even say answer, mama, it says something mill million companies. Right.

591
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Here's the problem that I have with that. Me and

592
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: my daughter different on that. She feels like, yeah, that's right,

593
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: get this ship out of here, right. I'm like, no, no,

594
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: we don't want them. We don't want anybody to forget

595
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: what I'm a big fan of not hiding history, So

596
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: tearing down those generally lead ship and I'm like, don't

597
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: mean nothing. You're making a fuss over the wrong fucking

598
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: part of the problem here. That problem is dead and done.

599
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Who gives about absolutely antier Mima. This is the only

600
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: time by protesting that black people lost their jobs Uncle

601
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:11,160
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602
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: I know you probably didn't hear this a lot growing up,

603
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: but it's not healthy to hold in your feelings. Bottling

604
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,640
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605
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,960
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606
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607
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Speaker 1: talk space dot com promo code Peters. You know, it's

634
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Speaker 1: the first time job trying to do something to it.

635
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: But America's notorious for that though. I mean, yeah, I

636
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: just recently found out that under New York under the

637
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: park part that you should be city. Yeah, and the

638
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: black and the black grave guards that they go down

639
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: downtown absolutely yeah, yeah, bury your guilt, you know what

640
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, and black people are allowing them

641
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: to do it. But I don't think any of those

642
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: things that I found out that actually took place in

643
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: black towns that were beginning to prosper were that if

644
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: you look under some lakes, absolutely absolutely, these are these

645
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: towns an exact communities, Georgetown and d C. Was was Sevlack,

646
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: That's where the ships came in. But then they saw

647
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: that that was Georgetown was. But what the government did

648
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: it made a historic story land so the practices could

649
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: go out because they wanted to get that land. And

650
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: black people get on the farther I'm talking about that

651
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: people want to kill. Yeah, these people's properties were taken

652
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: and buried under wall these Yeah, these are now lakes,

653
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: man made lakes that now have boats over him, and

654
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: I have never heard that until right round. I was

655
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: blown away more than more than twenty so. So so

656
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: when we're talking about you know, antia mamma being taking

657
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: and hands being hidden, you know what I'm saying, like

658
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: like there's a left you know that exists to this.

659
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm really admiring this conversation on the angle that you're

660
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: hitting me with because it really tells me, um Coastly

661
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: it was different, like there was more revision. So look, naturally,

662
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: West Coast cats, we're not taught any type of knowledge, wisdom, understanding,

663
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: none of it. It's either Catholicism, Christianity, or get the

664
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: funk out, you know what I mean. And so when

665
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: it comes to building on these things, we're not taught that.

666
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: Like you have the five percenters on the East Coast predominant.

667
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: Now we have some here on the West coast, right,

668
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: But there were no parliaments and things of that nature

669
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: for us to street kids to walk in and say, hey,

670
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: I want to learn about my blackness. I want to

671
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: learn how to navigate to North America and how to

672
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: survive without being caught up in the trap of the

673
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: gang bang or the trap of the drug deal. And

674
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: all these things like we you know, now we can't

675
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: and then piggyback on that to say that it was

676
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: important for us, especially as East Coast kids, to be

677
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: introduced to the to the foot of accepting the religion

678
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: of a slave owner. Are is that what we're doing here?

679
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying that thought was important. It's important

680
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: that that's introduced to us, right because because you know,

681
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: I say that at the end of the day, like

682
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, like there's not one thing that the slave

683
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: master gave us that was for us. Not so so

684
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: now that's what they say. They they the missionary showed

685
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: up on your land with bibles, taught you how to

686
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: close your eyes and pray, and when you opened your eyes,

687
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: you had the Bible, they had the land. Yeah, you

688
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: that this is this is a fact. And you know

689
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: another thing that's trickery in our time is the crack

690
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: era and it's question weekend. I was structure as a right, right,

691
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: and it's the beginning of where we are. Yeah, so

692
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: we have to work. This is hard to get right here,

693
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: right right right. And if you spoke to a lot

694
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: of O g's and hip hop like the seventies cats,

695
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: they were you know they were strong. Yeah, most of

696
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: the fact. This is a fact that they don't tell

697
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: you first hand. Yeah no, because it wasn't like crack

698
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: its whack yet it was just like yo, think you

699
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: want to try it? My word, this is where I

700
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: was there. I was one of the first few hundred

701
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: people arrested by T and T. This is when crack

702
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: is introduced to New York. You know what I'm saying,

703
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: And I can honestly say that it played just like this.

704
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: The same people that smoked weed were the same people

705
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: that out of Woola, you know saying, the same people

706
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: that were the same people that might have tried this ship.

707
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: There was no stigma. Yet they gave it a kid

708
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: name blunt. Yeah, you know I'm saying now now what

709
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: took place was the first generation of everything. Those that

710
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: has some willpower, those has had some strength, some sense

711
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: about those that didn't even venture, we're able to step

712
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: back everybody else either like Dick, which was which was

713
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: easy to do. I might have pulled the LA. Yeah,

714
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: first generation when when I remember the first time it

715
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: went around the site of cats that we only smoke weed.

716
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we know what wood Tangs talking about. You

717
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: know saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm keeping it the bump.

718
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: You know I'm saying, prior to this moment, none of

719
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: us had you know what I'm saying. And it went

720
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: around and we all were like, oh ship. Some of

721
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: us went on, some mom us didn't. How different was

722
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: that high? Though? Yo? It was your for it, without question,

723
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: without question, you know what I'm saying. But we are

724
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: literally the first one to do it. Yeah, you know

725
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Now, from there it became you know,

726
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: some cats smoked for for a moment, some cats smoke

727
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: for for a minute. Yeah yeah, some kind of smoked

728
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: and moved on to smoke, you know what I'm saying,

729
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: and everything kind of took place from there, you know

730
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but this is where it was. So there

731
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: was in that moment, there was no stigma from you

732
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: you know I'm saying. In that moment, you know, it

733
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: was us passing a blurnt around, right, That's all it was.

734
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: And we were all won right, right, right, you know

735
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But but but sorn from that, Yeah,

736
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: it's sporn for. We didn't know what we was passing around.

737
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 1: We didn't have any understanding and as we came into

738
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: an understanding. You know what I'm saying, and this this

739
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: before um your first album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely yeah,

740
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: And I went I went on to like I said,

741
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I went on to get knocked, you know, saying, I

742
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: literally get knocked. I do temoms on right this after

743
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: jumping bail. Yeah, I get extra your data back to

744
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: your temperments on rights. Won't do my whole court process

745
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: from right because it probated Tom in a half way hours.

746
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: And upon getting my first apartment, having a job in Manhattan,

747
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna for the Lenox Hill Neighbors Association Association as

748
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: a as an office manager for an office full of

749
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: social workers, and being enrolled in Queensboro Community College about

750
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: the transfor the Hunter University. One week, not even a

751
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: week into my first apartment, who do I pass on

752
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: the New York City street? Mr Long your partners and

753
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship his living condition in Brooklyn, he

754
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: just moved up from Carolina. His living condition in Brooklyn

755
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: was crazy in the studio with his aunt, her man

756
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: and a kid. I just got an apartment. I just

757
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: had a few daysment, Yo, give me a week, you

758
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: can crash with me. Me just believing in my man,

759
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: who ain't seeing since senior your high school. But that's

760
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: who I cut with every fucking day. Me just loving him,

761
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: like passing on the street and yo, come cresh me,

762
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 1: you know, make sure you like you said, you said

763
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: that he was cham to. Yeah, I mean every day

764
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: every day we went to my man's stands rome, we cut,

765
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: we rhyme, we made tapes, and just because we were

766
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: from New York and we were with each other doing it, yeah,

767
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: we had no idea we'd never make it. We're in

768
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Yeh high school. What I did every day

769
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: his mom was food to smoke, my way drunk out forties.

770
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: This was our This was our hangout. But literally, I

771
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: know that's the training of ground for me. Bumping into

772
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: my man after being out in all of this trouble,

773
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: after smoking the wall or you know, the ship, I

774
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: bumped into my man cross and invite him to come

775
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: crash with me. He comes to crash with me, brings records,

776
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: turn tables, and that changed my life. What was that

777
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: time at records island life? It was I was just

778
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: getting serious, like like you know, like, yeah, I'm this

779
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: is the man version of me, you know, what imagine.

780
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, year old, like you know,

781
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: like and and it was dead serious, you know what

782
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was there with whould you wrap drop Righters? Alan,

783
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: I was on seven for fourteen fourteen Hayes and big

784
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: shout all the yo. But just say I'm at the

785
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: end of the day, like, yoh, was there serious? And

786
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, like I think to my benefit, I grew

787
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: up fighting. It was just nice with my hands. I'm

788
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: from the story of projects. I took all of my

789
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: younger sisters fights. I thought, I've got scars all of

790
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: my my nick one of my nicknames and cats know

791
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: me as Tiki, but one of my nicknames was scar

792
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: Face way before the movie because I just had scars

793
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: on because I always was fighting. But just to say

794
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: so me be on right, This was me um kind

795
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: of becoming. I'm who I am today because of things

796
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: that I've been through in life, you know what I'm saying,

797
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: And today I'm I'm I'm a very comfortable person, especially

798
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: amongst men. Whereas I've I've had to to live amongst men,

799
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: and not only I've had I've had to dominate amongst men.

800
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: Even as a little man. You know what I'm saying

801
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: literally or or or not be a man? Do you

802
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: know who? You know what I'm saying. And there was

803
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: never no point in in my war, especially my family.

804
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: But I come from the HU. I don't see big

805
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: cats get broken down. That I just thought with like

806
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: like like I couldn't even believe it because you know

807
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: who fed at compos was Yeah, yeah, that's that, that's

808
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's the guy who helped write the Independence.

809
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: I know, you know, you know I look at you

810
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: and your energy and and you know his pain was

811
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: was serious. But as a spunge that I just I

812
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: just I just put his name in a round yeah,

813
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: and put the joiner behind it. Okay, yeah, exactly. Was

814
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: very interesting. So now Russell, I just want to ask

815
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: you coming up in the arrow and I know you're

816
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: just fun to the coach and he was in it

817
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: um and you're in Canada, so it's probably different dynamically.

818
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: Uh did crack have an impact in your set? So

819
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: crac in Canada? For me, it wasn't like in the

820
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: hip hop scene, but like my friend's father was a

821
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: crackhead and ship like that, so it was like I

822
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: remember like eight eighty six, and you know, in the

823
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: mid eighties, my friend's dad was all rocked out and

824
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: we knew when we went to his house and we

825
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: lived in apartment with but it was an apartment Like, hey, Willy,

826
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: what's up with your dad? He's on crack right now?

827
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: And you look at his dad a devil guess yeah, yeah, yeah,

828
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: lock john and bug eyed and he was like William

829
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: from Firing. Yeah, it was fucking grinding his teeth like crazy.

830
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: It was it found about or was it like that's

831
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: an adult. It just we didn't even think about it. Well,

832
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: like my we didn't, like my friends didn't start selling

833
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: crack to like the nineties, like early nineties. It was

834
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: like people were getting crack, people doing crack. But these

835
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: were like our friends parents who were like hippies from

836
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: the sixties, and you know, they were musicians, so they

837
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: were doing heroin and they were doing blow. Then they

838
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: started doing crack. So then that when I walked in

839
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: Willie's house, you know he dead be on crack and

840
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: then sometimes sleep over and walking in the bathroom one

841
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: night in the middle of night to take a piss

842
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: and Willie his dad's and there with two other people

843
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: a dude and the chicken the shooting heroin, and I

844
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: was the door and I go, well, oh wait, yeaouth

845
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: interesting people though, So we were like four on. His

846
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: dad just tells the best dirty jokes, and we used

847
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: to go there because with his dad's gonna talk to

848
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: us like a real person. Yeah, he's not gonna be like,

849
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: now listen to your son. You old can be whatever

850
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: you want to be. He was like, hey, you got

851
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: another one for you. You want to hear it? Mrs.

852
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: You know he told us a joke about a teacher

853
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: who This is the joke I remember that his dad

854
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: tolds me, must have been fourteen. He said, these two

855
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: kids are in class that everybody's having the teacher's not

856
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: to everyone's talking, talking, talking, And finally a supply teacher

857
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: walks in and she writes her name on the board

858
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: and her name is miss Pussy p r U S

859
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: s Y. And she's like, everybody shut up. If anybody

860
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: forgets my name in this room, we have to stay

861
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: after school for an hour. And then and then his

862
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: friend like, what then, how am I gonn remember? Her

863
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: name was remember pussy with an art? Pussy with an artist?

864
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: And then she was at you, what are you talking about?

865
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: And nothing? What's my name's He looks at this friend

866
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: goes pussy with an R. He goes mrs crunt. That

867
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: was the joke. Willie's dad's hottest at fourteen. Now that's dope.

868
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: That's dope as a as a as a young And

869
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: there was this one, this fly lady who was older,

870
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: who used to come up my block and she used

871
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: to like give me looks. You know. I was like

872
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen. I was on the bike and she's like

873
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: what you're doing. I said nothing, you know, and she's like,

874
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: meet me at the school. And I was like, oh

875
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: ship something like pop off right. I didn't know crack

876
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: like that. It was like just the thing. So I

877
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: go and I told my boy, I'm like, yo, this

878
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: lady says I should go to school to meet her

879
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: right now at the at the park. So I said,

880
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: why don't you follow me? He's like you crazy? Do

881
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: you crazy? So I go and I see her and

882
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: he's looking on the side and she's like, you know

883
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: what I always wanted to do. I don't believe I'm

884
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: telling this story right now. She said, I want to

885
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: take a hit and suck a dick and suck a dick, right,

886
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: and I never I was a virgin. Be I was

887
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: a virgin with it was packed, it was packed. I

888
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: got a condom on my ship right now. I'm always ready.

889
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: How would that was last week? Yeah? I was like thirteen,

890
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: um so so I'm I'm no. Yeah. So I could

891
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: see my boy, I could see my friend looking at

892
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: me like laughing because we're uncomfortable, like this is crazy, right.

893
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: So she's in front of me and she's getting her

894
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: pipe ready and everything, and I'm like, you know, your

895
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: pipe ready? So she goes and she starts to lift

896
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: my shirt and she takes a hit under my shirt.

897
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: So I could see her under my shirt and now

898
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: she's like, yo, we're about to do this, and I

899
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: just fucking ran. Be I just ran scared, like scared

900
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker. But if that's how close you know,

901
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: all having your aunt, my aunt in my in my

902
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: bathroom smoking something that I'm like, deep thin, was that

903
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: that smells crazy? I mean, you've never tried crack. Now,

904
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm the younger cut from I never smoked weed. You

905
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: never smoked wheat never never, never. I was afraid of it.

906
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: I was a dick here back twice once as a teenager,

907
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: was before the records, all of us we just go

908
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: down and get and it was the greatest high man.

909
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: It was the greatest high in front. We you know,

910
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: get whatever money we could scrape up. We sometimes we'd

911
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: sell like use car doors to the junk. Yeah, and

912
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: go get it, go get a rock and ship like that.

913
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: And then again after Global six US, I was I

914
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: was in between deals and you know, sometimes a lot

915
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: of these things take time. And I was, you know,

916
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: hanging out with girls and doing all this stuff and

917
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: wasting all my tour money I had made and all

918
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: the stuff. Next, you know, one thing needs to another.

919
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to ask it. I'm doing this, doing that.

920
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: Somebody brings forth the crack again and lo and behold,

921
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: man loved it once again, went all out, you know,

922
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: but now you had money. But now I had money.

923
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: And that was four years late, ninety damn wow, that's late.

924
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: I knew. I knew it was a rap. Two things.

925
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: When I started pawning my golden platinum records for I

926
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: have mean, I walked like that, the whole account, platinum

927
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: gold sitting in pawnshops. And then when I went to

928
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: mom's crib. She was like, I can't let you in.

929
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: That should turned my life. That should turn my life around,

930
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: and eventually I would go back in the punch. I

931
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: got my goal. Yeah yeah, I was just amazed that

932
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: it was still there. I'm amazing the platinum black. I

933
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: got about my ship. I smoked some ship, the million.

934
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: It was a million, do you remember? It was the

935
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: tipping point? They had this ship out here. It was

936
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: called a cocoa puff. Absolutely, okay, soot, Yes, they think

937
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: called a cocoa puff. You do it either the weed

938
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: or they put it in a cigarette. And I smoked

939
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: a cigarette. Didn't know what it was, and I took

940
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: off like a fucking rocket. I was flying and it

941
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: was the greatest feeling that I had ever felt in

942
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: my life. I'm sixteen years old, and I came down

943
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: so fast I dropped back down. It felt like I

944
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: literally dropped back down my shoes, and I was like,

945
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: what the funk was that they didn't handle more? The

946
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: greatest thing that I could ever happen to me. Yeah,

947
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: oh no, they didn't run out, They just always got

948
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: so it was that was the greatest escape for me,

949
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: because who knows what had happened, took another hit right

950
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: right right right or who was probably there was It

951
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: was probably a good friend that I did right right right,

952
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: So they're gonna let me do that. I was really naive.

953
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: So I was using because I was raised by my

954
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: mom Alonge. I just listened to my mom said, so

955
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: my father us on a second hand storm or avenue

956
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: mother and Franklin is a very busy, you know, avenue drug.

957
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: So I was sitting there in summertime. I never forget

958
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: some sight two and I saw the baddest chick in

959
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: the neighborhood flip like that. I mean, I've seen that

960
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: too and much. It was like seven pounds. I was like, whatever,

961
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: But the crazy about that? And I tell people, he said,

962
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: but people that were not in New York and don't

963
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: understand about hip hop is people did not like hip

964
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: hop because everything that was negative was associated with him

965
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: pitty you know, you know how the subway used to

966
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: be used to be crazy, smell like piss, smell like

967
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: piss in the parks, you know, and then crack and

968
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: then so I remember my father used to come out

969
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: and he said, always plaid Jorg for Denson in the morning,

970
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: and he used to be we ain't playing the hip

971
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: hop ship. We pay the hip hop ship. You're gonna

972
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: end up like like it was crazy to me how Italian. Yeah,

973
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: it's crazy to me how that how hip hop was looked.

974
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: I guess my question to y'all is, how did you

975
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: look at hip hop at that time? And and did

976
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: you think that hip hop would have grown the way

977
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: that that that that has grown. Now that's a great question, bro,

978
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: But for me, I always separated the two. Drugs were

979
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: one thing, hip hop was another. And I never when never,

980
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: like really crossed the two like that. It was like,

981
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: if you want to get busy and have a good time,

982
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: go get some weed and some cracks with cocaine's some

983
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: sum acid whatever. It was sure, yea embalming fluid. Yeah,

984
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: you've done a lot of that in my tea. On

985
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: our side. On our side, the drug dealers were funding

986
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: the rappers. That's that's that's how not not in New

987
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: Yorker was drug dealers and hustlers were fun. Yeah, so

988
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: we worked, so we work at all. And I totally

989
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think a lot of a lot

990
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: of sensationalism that happens with the drug or gang culture.

991
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: It's not it's not right to put to love, peace,

992
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: unity and having fun. So I know, you know, but

993
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: at that time, at that time, that's that's what a

994
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people did. Yo. Now it

995
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: depends because the mixture of drug, drug and hip hop,

996
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: they didn't as far as the association, I mean everything, everything, everything,

997
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: I know that everything that was bad where I come from.

998
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: The older our patterns our people because remember they refused

999
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: to play hip hop on the radio. It wasn't being

1000
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: played on the radio. Wasn't listening to. Yeah, but how

1001
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: old are you, man? Yeah? Should we the same? Yeah,

1002
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: he's all he's older, he's older generation wise. So for me,

1003
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: we win it. We will block parties. We were battling

1004
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: in Bushwick, in Brooklyn, we battle Big Daddy Kane. Will

1005
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: go to other neighborhoods, to my high school and battle

1006
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: I battle Memphis Bleep like we were. It was real

1007
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: and we would fight for it and to this day,

1008
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm naviocate for the culture. It's very strong

1009
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: because I was raised watching Beach Street. Yeah, I remember

1010
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: watching all that here on the West Coast. You had

1011
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: dudes that were coming from New York I had these

1012
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: two brothers, Roland and Robert, Cuban cats, light skin like you,

1013
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: but they had the curly hair with the fucking shag

1014
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: and the whole nine. Robert was the first one that

1015
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: came with the Malcolm McLaren radio, with the splay paint

1016
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: and the whole ship. So he taught us about wild

1017
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: Style and showed us this ship, you know what I mean,

1018
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: and and would go to like Venice Beach, uh team,

1019
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: and everybody got right, But it depended on where you were.

1020
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: If you was over there in his neighborhood, you weren't

1021
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna get that. But these were Latino Cuban cats that

1022
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: were coming over to bring this to us. Now we're

1023
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: talking about three two in there right when when when

1024
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: it came out, When Style came out, and you know,

1025
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: we had heard you know in seventy nine. Of course,

1026
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: uh rappers delight and you know these are the brakes

1027
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: and Christmas wrapping on basketball and all that kind of stuff.

1028
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: But um, that was how that came about for us.

1029
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: But we were more b boy minded because we were

1030
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: watching what you guys were doing from three thousand miles away,

1031
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: and we were cutting ship out of the newspaper if

1032
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: Crazy Legs or rock Steady was on David Letterman that

1033
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: night we were taping that ship. You know what I

1034
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: mean to learn, to get the knowledge of what we're

1035
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: supposed to do with this thing that we love so

1036
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: much because information didn't travel. Hey, thanks for listening. I

1037
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this conversation. If you like the podcast,

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01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: please be sure to rate and review it on Apple

1039
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,360
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1040
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: if you didn't like it, go fuck yourself and follow

1041
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,160
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1042
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: We're also on YouTube. If you want to see what

1043
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: the backyard kind of looks like. You don't really see

1044
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: the backyard looks like. You just see where my smoking

1045
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: section looks like. And you can probably sneak a peek

1046
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: in the house. You're weirdo. Also, we have a phone

1047
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: line now, so call and leave a message. You can

1048
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: ask me about whatever you want to ask me about,

1049
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: hip hop, parenting, food, boxing, mm A, relationships, comedy, sex.

1050
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: So I don't give a ship. Ask me whatever you

1051
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: want and I'll do my best to answer your question.

1052
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: If you want to leave a message, the phone number

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Speaker 1: is four two four six six six three. That's four

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Speaker 1: two four six six six until next week. I'm murder

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Speaker 1: resident dies U