1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, literally breaking news almost minutes after we sent 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: out our full show to premium subscribers. 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: But that's how it works. Sometimes. 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson are officially parting ways. 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: Let's go and put this statement up on the screen. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: Quote Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: part ways. We thank him for a service to the 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: network as a host and prior to that, as a contributor. 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: Mister Carlson's program was last program was Friday, April twenty first. 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: Fox News Tonight will air live at eight pm Eastern 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: Standard times, starting this evening as an interim show, helm 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: by rotating Fox News personalities until a new host is named. 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: So obviously, basically nobody in the business expected that Crystal 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: talking you with you a. 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: Little bit before. 25 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people know this. I got 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 2: my started media working for Tucker Carlson at The Daily Caller. 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: From what I can gather amongst many of my former colleagues, 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: this was not necessarily expected. This was not a decision 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: that was that at the very least was not a 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: surprise to a lot of people who are. 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: In the know or in the business. 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: It might have been potentially last minute on some long 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: standing tensions between Tucker and the overall Fox News media, 34 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: but this is. 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 3: A titanic event in cable news. 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: Tucker was by far the largest host in all of 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: cable He was the largest personality on Fox News. He 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: had the best numbers amongst the key demographic, and he 39 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: was a He had the best access. I would say 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: to Trump himself, what's your immediate reaction to the way 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: that this all went down? 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, first thing, to your point, this is monumental. 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he is the top rated cable news host 44 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: in all of television. And we have always said there 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: are basically two people in cable news who can generate 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: their own following, who have a real tribe who shows 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: up to them as appointment viewing. One of those is 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow, who is no longer a nightly presence on MSNBC, 49 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: and the other one was Tuck Across and who now 50 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: we know is out at Fox News. The first thing 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: that your mind goes to is, of course, the timing, 52 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: given that they just had this huge settlement with Dominion 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: Voting Systems, largest defamation media settlement in history. So you wonder, okay, 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: was that related to this, because you also have a 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: Smartmatic lawsuit coming down the pike. You also had shareholders 56 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: looking at whether they were going to sue the company 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: as well and board of directors or mishandling the election claims. 58 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: So you wonder if this is somehow related to those settlements, 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: if the overall company felt that he had become too 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: much of a liability, because even though I mean there 61 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: were some you know, there was some poor reporting. 62 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: Let's just say that. 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Was on the Tucker Carlson program during the election season, 64 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: but he wasn't out there. 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: The way like lou Dobbs and Maria Barbarom awarded. 66 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: But the text messages that came out from him saying 67 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: that he hates Trump and he's demonic forsts that are 68 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: obviously very embarrassing. The other thing, just from a business perspective, 69 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, you might look at this and go, God, 70 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: he's their highest rated show, and you know, he's obviously 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: like a tent pole for them in primetime, and he's 72 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: like the quarterback of Fox News at this point. However, 73 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: the ratings don't matter if advertisers aren't willing to spend 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: money during your hour. So the business piece of this 75 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: may be a little bit less straightforward than would initially 76 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: meet the eye. 77 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: So as I understand it, one of the reasons why 78 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: he was so important to the network, Crystal is that 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: his young demographic numbers were a key negotiation point in 80 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: the cable carriage fee negotiation which is coming up. So, 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: just so everybody understands, a vast majority of Fox News's 82 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: profit comes from the cable carriers paying them a fee 83 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: to remain part of the cable bundled Now, as again, 84 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: one of the cases that Fox was making is no, 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: we're not just an aging cable news program. We also 86 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: have this show in primetime which is watched by a 87 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: couple hundred thousand people in the young demo. I'm not 88 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: saying these are the great numbers because the overall millions 89 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: of people consumed it were definitely outside the demo, but 90 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: they were better than other people who were on Fox News. 91 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: So first of all, that's one major thing. The other one, 92 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: and this is where it comes back to me, is 93 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: the future of the network. Actually went back and just 94 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: looked it up and looking at a twenty twenty one 95 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: article here about Tucker Carlson inks a new multi year 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: deal with Fox Media expands his presence with a Fox 97 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: News Nation, video podcast and special So they were kind 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: of betting the internal streaming future of Fox News and 99 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: the Fox News platform on Fox Nation basically a subscription 100 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: based kind of extra content. It was like CNN Plus, 101 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: but I don't know, I guess for boomers. So the 102 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson Hour and all that, you have to subscribe, 103 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: you have to watch it. By the scenes. They built 104 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: a new set all of this. So, first of all, 105 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: immediately to my mind is wow. So the future the 106 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: Fox Nation basically entire programming was anchored almost entirely to 107 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: Tucker at his personality was by far the only thing 108 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: that was even watched on Fox Nation. As I understand 109 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: that Fox Nation has not been a particularly big business success, 110 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: but you know, whatever it was was basically tied to 111 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: his personality and not some of the other content there. 112 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: So on the streaming side, this is a big problem 113 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: for them. But overall, and here's where I'm curious. I 114 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: know people have said it before, Fox is dead after 115 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: Megan Kelly. Megan Kelly's show was great. It was certainly 116 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: it was a very good program, but it was an 117 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: interview program and had. 118 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: More to do with news. 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: The only real comp is O'Reilly O'Reilly. Everybody says O'Reilly 120 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: was bigger than Fox News, and I think important step 121 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: back in time and actually, look what happened. Tucker did 122 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: not replace O'Reilly. He actually basically created an entire new 123 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: show ideas that not really had been aired at least 124 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: in some part on the Fox News platform, and brought 125 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: in a much younger demographic by focusing I think undeniably 126 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: on things that most people on Fox were just not 127 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: as traditionally into same, like Sean Hannity, who he replaced 128 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: and supplanted as the major. 129 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 3: Number one person on the platform. 130 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: And that's ultimately kind of what got him the position 131 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: that he had at Fox. So I do think this 132 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: is a new situation simply because look, I mean it's 133 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: almost been what twenty seventeen is when O'Reilly left Fox News, 134 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: So it's been several years since that happened. 135 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: The Fox News. 136 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: Platform has frankly only gotten older. They haven't added more 137 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: younger people. Second, they don't have the same bench here. 138 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean, who is the biggest guy at Fox now 139 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: Gutfeld like and look, no offense Gutfeld, but you're not 140 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: caring in that work the way. 141 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 4: They're still the Hannity right. 142 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but I think I think if we 143 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: think about it, I guess Hannady would come in second 144 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: numbers overall. But yes, he doesn't seem to have the 145 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: same energy, the same energy and almost like the controversy, 146 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: all of that that used to swirl around O'Reilly and 147 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: Tucker in terms of their signature personalities, he almost seems 148 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: to be more of a follower. 149 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: Of the news than a creator of it, in the way. 150 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: That Hannity's just sort of a standard issue partisan cheerleader. 151 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, whatever is going on in the Republican Party, 152 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: He's going to defend it. 153 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: It's very predictable, right, which has. 154 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,559 Speaker 1: A certain audience, and obviously he also benefited from coming 155 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: after in the lineup. At this point, Tucker and can 156 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: sort of carry that audience over a lot of the 157 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: cable news businesses just about who you come after, and 158 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: so if you have someone who can bring people in, 159 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: then it's just a matter of you try to hold 160 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: on to that audience for your show as well. I mean, 161 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: I am remind him just kind of going back through 162 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: my mind. 163 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 4: Over the past couple. 164 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Of weeks, Tucker also did just have a bit of 165 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: a mini scandal with regard to you know, these leaked 166 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: discord documents where he took as credible. 167 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: He took as credible. 168 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: The one document that we know was altered to make 169 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: the Russian casualty numbers look more favorable and make and 170 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: inflate the Ukrainian casualty numbers, and he actually took that 171 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: at face value and reported that as if it was fact. 172 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: In reality, it was like the one part of those 173 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: documents that was provably false. So maybe that was like 174 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: the straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe that was 175 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: one embarrassment too many. And then also remember that you know, 176 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: the shareholders and investors in Fox News are you know, 177 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: may have a different view of what the business model 178 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: should look like, and there is a real succession drama 179 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes about who will succeed Ruper Murder. 180 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: And of the two sons, one of them is very 181 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: Tuckerish and one of them is much more sort of 182 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: moderate or even like sort of liberal sympathetic, I guess 183 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: I would say. So there's also a split in what 184 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: direction the company might go in, So listen, I think 185 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: it's possible. Tucker was like, look, I'm a rich man. 186 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't really want to do this anymore. I'm just 187 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: going to go do my thing in the woods. To me, though, 188 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: the way this came down so abruptly, as someone who 189 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: has been let go of a from a cable news 190 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: show before, the way they do it is you don't 191 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: know until you do your show and then they call 192 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: you into the office and then they tell you're fired, 193 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: and you never get to be on air again, because 194 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: they don't want someone who's already been told they're let 195 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,119 Speaker 1: go to then go on their air and god. 196 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: Knows they're in yolo mode. God knows what they're going 197 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: to say to the audience. 198 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: So the fact that this clearly happened after his show 199 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: on Friday, they made a point of me like, he's 200 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: never coming on our air again. Makes me feel like 201 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: it is more likely Fox News is letting him go 202 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: versus him just sort of amicably deciding like, hey, guys, 203 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: thanks for the years. 204 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go and like enjoy my life. Now. 205 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. 206 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: So there's a couple of possibilities. I think all points 207 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: to is abruptness. Right, So either A he was fired. 208 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 2: B they were like and they had planned to do so. 209 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: B they had asked him to do something like maybe 210 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: read a statement or maybe be comply and potentially one 211 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: of their future lawsuits and he said, no, screw you, 212 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to walk and they said, okay, well then 213 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: you're fired. I guess those are really the only two scenarios. 214 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: Somebody obviously pulled the plug at an abrupt nature. They 215 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: had a multi year deal on the books. There's a 216 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: big question too, around his future. Now. Look, I don't 217 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: have any idea about his contract. 218 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 3: I don't know how it. 219 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Was negotiated, but I do know that cable news non 220 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 2: competes are insane. Maybe he can thank the Biden administration 221 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: if they do make not compare enforceable. I don't know, 222 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: but you know, at the very least, this is one 223 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: hundred million dollar asset that has now walked out out 224 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: of the door at the very least, so they very 225 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 2: much could try and pursue him. Maybe he had stronger 226 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: protections in his contract, if he was able to leave, 227 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: what he was able to do, if he had the 228 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: ability to pursue a podcast and all that, because it 229 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: seemed like what Fox had done is they basically rolled 230 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: up all of the rights to his personality inside of 231 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: the Fox brand. So by leaving that, he's not only 232 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: leaving the show behind. If he doesn't have robust ip 233 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: protection in his contracts, he could be real hamstrung in 234 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: terms of what he's even allowed to do. 235 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: True, and there could be a period like, for example, 236 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: after Megan Kelly was out at Fox, there was a 237 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: period where you know, she negotiated, she got the NBC contract, 238 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: but then they had to wait until she could actually 239 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: start the show, And that would be typical. There would 240 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: be some sort of a waiting period before Tucker would 241 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: be able to do anything else with another networker on 242 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: his own if he wants to continue creating content, you know, 243 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: for better or worse, there's definitely an audience for it. 244 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't need Fox News at this point. 245 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: And even from the time when you know Glenn Beck 246 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: left or when Bill O'Reilly was out, the ability to 247 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: immediately have your own podcasts, have your own media brand, 248 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: have your own platform, you know he would be successful. 249 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: I have no doubt if he wants to go in 250 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: that direction, and he would be unshackled from whatever limited 251 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: apparently constraints they put on him over there at Fox News. 252 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think that we've heard the 253 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: last of him, very likely, no question. 254 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: I mean, look, I've always believed he would be incredibly 255 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: successful if he left Fox. I don't even think Fox 256 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: was ever good for him. I think the cable in 257 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: general is a terrible platform for anybody who has more 258 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: than IQ of twelve. Yes that I think that Hannity 259 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: is better suited for Fox News. And look, I don't 260 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: think is a deniable as you said that it clearly 261 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: will be doing something. Also, Look, just in terms of 262 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 2: the level of credibility, I think that he has well 263 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: not only with Trump but with a lot of people 264 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: who vote for Tran is not something that you can. 265 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: Really put aside. 266 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: That's why I really believe this could be fundamentally different 267 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: in terms of its impact on Fox News as an 268 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: overall brand. They don't have the same level bench for personalities. 269 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: They don't have anyone who necessarily kind of quote does 270 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: the same thing that's always always been unique in that way. Look, 271 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: I could be completely wrong, right, I mean, maybe they'll 272 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: hire somebody, and they'll hire what they're trying, you know, 273 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: recre aggregate. It's certainly possible. But with all of the 274 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 2: wins against cable, and not only that, they just had 275 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: this humilion and humiliating one billion dollars settlement, so they're 276 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 2: squeezed really from both ends, both by the audience and 277 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: by the overall lawsuit. So yeah, look, I mean it's 278 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: a good day if you don't like Fox News. I 279 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: can't smile. 280 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: News cable news in general. And I think the fact 281 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 4: that you now have the two. 282 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: Biggest cable news stars basically out, you know, Rachel Matto 283 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: very much of her own doing, and Tucker very likely 284 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: because of Fox deciding. But we'll see what the details 285 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: are as they come out. It's just a signal of 286 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: how much that whole industry is dying We've been talking 287 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: about how it's like a zombie business model has been 288 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: for a while, and you know, I think this really 289 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: helps to paint that picture of an industry that why 290 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: would anyone who has a genuine following, who is you 291 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: know able to create content that's compelling to people that 292 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: people want to watch, that they want to pay for? 293 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Why would you shackle yourself to cable news and these 294 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: and at this time it doesn't make any sense from 295 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: a personal decision. So again I suspect that Fox pushed 296 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: him out rather than the other way around, just because 297 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: of the way that this went down. We'll see, but still, 298 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: I just don't think you're likely to see stars of 299 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: the level of a Tucker or a Rachel moving into 300 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: the future. I think those days are past. 301 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's funny. Somebody texted me and goes, so, 302 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: when is Fox gonna hire you? And I was like, 303 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: first of all this happen? Second of all, why why 304 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: did we take this emotion? 305 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 306 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: I want to go work for Murdoch instead of people 307 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: watching this show. There ain't no amount of money in 308 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: the world that is worth that, so anyway, kind of funny. 309 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: All right, guys, big, big, big, day as you can tell. 310 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have more to talk about tomorrow as 311 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: a more insight comes out. I asked him for the record. 312 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, what's going on. Haven't heard anything back. 313 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: So that's where we are right now. If I hear 314 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: anything else, I'll let you guys know. Hello again, everybody. 315 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: We're seconds away from recording breaking news about Tucker Carlson 316 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: out over at Fox News. When lo and behold, the 317 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: news fairy comes and gives us this, So let me 318 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: go ahead and put it up there on the screen. 319 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: From one Don Lemon. I was informed this morning by 320 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: my agent I have been terminated by c I am stunned. 321 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: After seventeen years at CNN, I would have thought someone 322 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: in management would have had the decency to tell me directly. 323 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: At no time was I given any indication I would 324 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: not be able to continue to do the work I 325 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: have loved at the network. 326 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: It is clear there are some larger issues at play. 327 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: With that said, I want to thank my colleagues and 328 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: the many teams I have worked with for an incredible run. 329 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: They are the most talented journalists in the business, and 330 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: I wish. 331 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: Them all the booths. 332 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: So the news gods are our raining on us? 333 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 4: Oh my god? 334 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I what are we going to do this? 335 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: He was such a farm of content, and he was 336 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: you know, he was such a trusted name and such 337 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: a great show, so so good at his job, so professional, 338 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: respectful of women. 339 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just heartbroken. 340 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: What are women going to do with it? 341 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 4: Is heartbroken of. 342 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: For both of these the loss of both of these 343 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: individuals from the cable news landscape. When I saw this 344 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: announcement on Twitter, I mean, first of all, because blue 345 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: checks don't mean anything anymore, the lack of a checker whatever, 346 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: like it's so hard to know whether it's a real 347 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: finger or not. And then the fact that this that 348 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: we had just gotten the news that Tucker was like, 349 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: this cannot possibly be real, but it is. And I mean, 350 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: just to remind everybody in real hot water over at CNN, 351 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: he was forced into these like sexism re education trainings 352 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: over his comments about quote unquote prime women. After Nicky 353 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: Haley announced there were a lot of there was visible 354 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: on air tension between him and both of his two 355 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: female colleagues. 356 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 4: He'd already been. 357 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: Sort of demoted from having his own primetime slot. He 358 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: built that as no, this isn't a devotion to go 359 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: to the morning show, but clearly, you know, I think 360 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: that it was. To share the stage with two other 361 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: people is a lot different than having your own primetime show. 362 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: And then just on the metrics, the show hasn't done well. 363 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: It's more poorly rated than the previous iteration of the 364 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: Morning Show, which I personally thought when it was John 365 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: Burman and Allison Camarado was actually much better John John 366 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: Berman and Poppy Harlowe. I think it was for a 367 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: while as well, that rated better than the current relaunch 368 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: of this thing, which is supposed to be the new 369 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: boss's real imprint that he was putting on the network. 370 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: And so yeah, when you have someone who is highly 371 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: paid and poorly rated that people don't like, you shouldn't 372 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: be surprised when this is ultimately the outcome. 373 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: I think it's clear this man is a pig behind 374 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: the scenes, He's a disgusting person, doesn't treat people well. 375 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: He's an egomaniac, narcissist, psycho, and all that started to 376 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: come out. Now we got a little bit more news here. 377 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: I can read Crystal CNN's Chris Licked says to my 378 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: CNN colleague, CN and Don have parted ways. Don will 379 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: forever be part of the CNN family. We thank him 380 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: for his contributions over the past seventeen years. We wish 381 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: them well, and we will be cheering him on his 382 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: continued endeavors. Here's the key part. CNN This Morning has 383 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: been on the air for nearly six months. We are 384 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: committed to its success. So what does that mean that 385 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: their poorly rated morning show where Lemon was the anchor, 386 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: is gonna continue? So good luck to Poppy Harlow and 387 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: Caitlyn Collins. No offense. I think even fewer people will 388 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: be watching, if that is somehow even possible. 389 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: I don't think that show is long for this world, Crystal. 390 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: I believe that some of this might have come because 391 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: of that Deadline article that we brought everybody here about 392 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: his treatment of past female colleagues, where past behavior involving 393 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: his disgusting behavior towards women had surfaced, and they probably 394 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: had either launched a new investigation or there might have 395 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: been even incident that we don't even know about, Crystal, 396 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: behind the scenes of other women. Yea other inappropriate conduct 397 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: that he that he's been doing. We know that the 398 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: CEO already hated him, and you know it could just 399 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: be straw that broke the camel's back here. 400 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: Well, you get away with a lot. Unfortunately, when you're 401 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: a news anchor, so long as times are good, if 402 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: you aren't delivering, and you are highly paid, and you've 403 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: become a liability for the network, then suddenly, yeah, the 404 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: knives are going to come out. Suddenly, things that they 405 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: would have just buried the carpet or you know, just 406 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: defended them over or ignored or whatever, Suddenly those things 407 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: become reasons to part company. 408 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 4: Now. 409 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: One thing that I think is different business wise from 410 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: the Tucker Fox situation and the CNN Don Lemon situation 411 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: is I think Fox losing Tucker in terms of ratings 412 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: is a blow. I think there could be a sort 413 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: of like revolt among some part of their base audience. 414 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone, any CNN watcher is really going 415 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: to carry that Don Lemon is gone. I don't think 416 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: it's going to matter for their ratings of the Morning show. 417 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to matter for. 418 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: Their ratings overall. I don't think that there's going to 419 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 4: be any sort of viewer revolt. I think business as. 420 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: Usual will can mediocre business as usual will just continue over. 421 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: There, absolutely right. 422 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: Uh man, news gods, give us a break here, all right, 423 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: we're trying to we're trying to write modelogue for tomorrow's show, 424 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: and yet here I haven't. I didn't even get a 425 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: chance to take off my tie. But you know what, 426 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: that's what I love. I live for moments like this. 427 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: It's a hell of a lot of fun. I guess 428 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of the show that we take earlier. 429 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: I'm sure this is all anybody's gonna watch today. That's okay, 430 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: that's why we do it here. 431 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: We'll see you guys tomorrow.