1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go on the Giants Mobile let 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: him the Giants podcast Network. Welcome to another edition of 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: the Giants Huddle. I'm Paul Detino. You can catch our 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: programmers always on giants dot Com, the Giants Mobile app, 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: and all of your podcast platforms everywhere, as well as 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: the Giants YouTube channel. Today we are joined by a 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: very special guest from our Lads Draft Services. David Seybertson 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: has been with them for about a decade now and 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: he has done so much work in terms of the 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: college draft prospects that, of course the NFL drafts each 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and every spring. Now, this year, the Giants made a 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: huge splash, and David, we've got to start right away 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: talking about these two number one picks in terms of 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Neil and Thibodeaux, who I think most people around the 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: country seem to have an agreement that that's a straight 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: a when you talk about these two guys in the 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: first round. I mean absolutely. When you're trying to rebuild 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: a franchise that's been bottomed the barrel for a couple 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: of years, you have to start in the trenches and 21 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: the Giants had a couple of week points on the 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: offensive line. I think the new regime tried to fix 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: that right away with a lot of the offensive line 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: signings that they put together and that they had limited 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: resources this year, and the resources that they did have 26 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: putting them in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Uh, 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: that's the way to start this in the NFL. As 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: much of things have changed and as wide open as 29 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: the game is now, the place still starts at the 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: point of attack. And that was that was their route 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: to rebuilding this thing. They did it. They continued that 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: path in the draft. Now, let's talk about Thibodeau for 33 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: just a second. Because his rare get off speed, his 34 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: quickness at the snap, which is his trademark. Let's not 35 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: kid ourselves in terms of getting after the quarterback. Um, 36 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: for those who don't understand how critical that is to 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: becoming a dominant NFL pass rusher, could you explain that 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: to them? Absolutely? When you are attacking the outside shoulder, 39 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: and that's where Thibodeau is gonna primarily lined up, the 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: first thing that's gonna put a tackle on his heels, Okay, 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: and that's where you want to find a tackle on 42 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: his heels on the unshore where you're gonna be going, 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: you want them to have to protect the outside shoulder first. 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Once you set that up, that's when you open the 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: door for all the inside rush moves, the secondary rush moves. 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: But if you don't have that outside get off, if 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: you don't pose as a threat to the outside shoulder 48 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: of the tackle, they don't have to commit that first 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: step to open up their hips. And when you can 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: really get a tackle to further open up their hips 51 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: to the outside, now you have options to work with. 52 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: But if you don't have that get off, there's no 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: reason for the tackle to open up those hips. Now, 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: the Giants have two guys on both sides that can 55 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: do it. Now, Timodeau has played a little bit on 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: the left and all the right. He's played a little 57 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: bit stand up, he's played a little bit with his 58 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: hand down. Where do you suppose he can make the 59 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: quickest and biggest impact with the Giants during his rookie season? 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: And mean absolutely, I think once Thimodeau really has a 61 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: full grass with a playbook, you'll see him move around 62 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: like that. Right, But you have to kind of ease 63 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: these guys into the system, and I think initially you 64 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: have to have him on the outside shoulder, standing up, 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: rushing to the outside of the past rush and let 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: Ogilari if you want to move him around. This is 67 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: his second year in the league. I think he's the 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: guy who can move around a little bit early on. 69 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: But once Thibodeau does kind of full grass of the 70 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: playbook and he can kind of adjust the place me 71 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: to the NFL, you'll see exactly what we saw Oregon 72 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: beas Marndale. He wants to confuse the offense. That's his 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: number one goal. He wants guys to to line up 74 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: all over the place, and I think that's what Tibodeau 75 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: eventually will become once. I think once they take that 76 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: that training collar off him, that's what we'll see. Let's 77 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: talk about Evan Neil for a moment. The giants other 78 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: first round draft choice, a guy who has played multiple 79 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: positions throughout his college career, comes to the Giants. We 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: believe will be the starting right tackle. Did you believe 81 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: that he had one position that was significantly better than 82 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: his others when he was with the Crimson Tide. Good question. 83 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: I think his best spot was right tackle. In right 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: he played guard. He played as a true freshman, starting 85 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: on the offensive line right away for Nick Saban. That 86 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: is not common if you go back and look at 87 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: his entire coaching career, that is that's happened less than 88 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: three times over his entire career. But so that's a 89 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: nice fallback to have him at guard if it's it 90 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: doesn't work out from a tackle. But his best tape 91 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: was in at right tackle. And I'll say this about 92 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: Evan Needle. He played three positions in three years, and 93 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: that that could impede his progress at a specific spot. 94 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: He's gonna play right tackle in two he'll play right tackle. Ine. 95 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: That will be the first time since high school that 96 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: he's played the same position in consecutive years. And a 97 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of the issues that I did say with Neil, 98 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of them, but it just 99 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: came down to simple, subtle footwork issues and a lot 100 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: of that time that just comes from the fact that 101 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: he was not able to develop that skill set year 102 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: after year, practice after practice because he was playing different positions. 103 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: You could say, right tackle, left tackle, similar footwork, but 104 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: it's reversed. And I think a kid this talented if 105 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: you can really put him into a spot. You're talking 106 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: about a big time player on the right side. I 107 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: remember when Andrew Thomas was drafted and I had talked 108 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: to his offensive line coach, and the one thing that 109 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: I have been told then is that he'll have to 110 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: learn how to use the punch and the strike better 111 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: because they didn't teach that to Thomas when he was 112 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: at Georgia. You see a hole or something that might 113 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: be missing in Evans game that he will have to 114 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: learn now that he's coming to the NFL. Post engagement 115 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: footwork is the biggest thing I would like to see 116 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: Evan Neil improve on, and I think if the the 117 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Giants coaches right now are looking at his tape from Alabama, 118 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: the one thing you would see more often you would 119 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: like to see it is great initial contact, great initial positioning. 120 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: But there were times where he would fall off his 121 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: man and he would seem off balance. And a lot 122 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: of the time balance issues with someone that is athletic, 123 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: and Evan Neil is athletic as you're gonna find an 124 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: offensive lineman right, So that's not the shortcoming. The shortcoming 125 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: is just with full cohesion between hands and feet. When 126 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: his hands are doing something the feet. You need to 127 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: do something. That's one thing I didn't see and that's 128 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: gonna that will take time. I think Giants fans might 129 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: need to be a little patient with him in year one. 130 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: I mean we could remember Andrew Thomas year one, year two. 131 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: There's is a significant difference there and that's the way 132 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: it is in the NFL these days that tackle. For 133 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: For every Tristan Worse that you see that goes to 134 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and has a stellar year as a rookie, 135 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: you'll see five quality lineman that did not perform well. 136 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean Tyron Smith, if you remember back to his 137 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: rookie year with Dallas, he struggled penalties and and sacks, 138 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: and now I mean turns into a perennial all pro. 139 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: I think Evan Neil might have a similar track that 140 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: it's it might take a little slow and that you 141 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: would want, but I'll tell you what it will be 142 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: the best right tackle play the Giants have had since 143 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: Karee mackenzie. Don't miss your chance to experience a premiere 144 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: hospitality experience watching Rins games and world class concerts in 145 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: two as a Giant Sweet partner. Limited full season locations 146 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: are available or plays a deposit for individual games called 147 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: n y is a Giants dot com slash suites for 148 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: more information. Uh, and I's say a lot one L Robinson, 149 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: the wide receiver gets selected in the second round. Now 150 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: what I've been telling people, he's a scheme specific kind 151 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: of receiver. You need to know the chapters in the 152 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: playbook that you're gonna use with him. Otherwise maybe you 153 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't have valued him that high. I'm curious as to 154 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: what you saw on the tape at Kentucky that makes 155 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 1: you believe he'll be a good fit for something that Calf, 156 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Gott and Dable would want to cook up. You know, 157 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: you love the fact that the guys that are running 158 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: the Giants offense right now have been through a similar 159 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: situation with similar personnel. The term gadget player sometimes seems 160 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: like an insult now, but with the how wide open 161 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: the game is and how much the game is about 162 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: deception and confusing the opposition, the gadget player that it's 163 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: not a gimmick, it's a real weapon that an offense 164 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: needs to have. And the way Kafka, I mean, you 165 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: could talk about when Tyree Hill came out, Tyler Lockett, 166 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel Jackene Grant, Isaiah mackenzie from Buffalo. All these 167 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: guys come out and I think they exceeded expectations because 168 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: of the way the offensive minds and deployed them. And 169 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: I see a very similar skill set in Robinson. Yes, 170 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: he is very small, all times small when you're talking 171 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: about wingspan, arm length, height, weight, but he is so 172 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: quick and so sudden. And the fact that he had 173 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: a hundred and ninety five catches in college, a hundred 174 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: and forty one rushing attempts and eighteen returns. There there 175 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: isn't anything on the field he cannot do right. He's 176 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: not just someone you can only have one chapter. As 177 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: you said of the playbook too, he can be involved 178 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: in every single chapter. But he can line up anywhere 179 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: and right. And how does how do defenses put their 180 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: personnel on the field. They wait to see what offensive 181 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: personnel is coming on. When you see Robinson come onto 182 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: the field, you don't know where he's in the line up, 183 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: So again, it can it creates that confusion. And when 184 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: you talk, if you give this guy a little bit 185 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: of window of space, just a little bit, you put 186 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: him in a phone booth, he can make guys miss 187 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: and one thing I think giant stands are gonna be 188 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: very happy to see. He's tough as nails. He plays 189 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: a lot stronger than he looks, and he's not gonna 190 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: go down easily. And I just I think I feel 191 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: very good about his skill set in combination with the 192 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: minds that are running the Giants offense. Now. Well, he 193 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: certainly has some more meat on his bones than people 194 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: might think. I've seen him already up close and personal 195 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: during these acts, and his durability is certainly not to 196 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: be questioned. I mean, the people are lucky. They gave 197 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: him the ball a lot, and he took a lot 198 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: of hits and he's kept coming back. Yep, could standing up. 199 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. He was a running back 200 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: initially not Nebraska Braska. And you know, I mean, no 201 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: matter what program you come from, if and he was 202 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: a legitimate running back, he wasn't someone that occasionally got 203 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: the ball in the backfield. He's tough, and I think 204 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: that's a huge part. And he I'm eighteen pounds. I 205 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: know it doesn't matter that much, but eighteen bench press 206 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: reps at tow at that weight, I mean that's something 207 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: that can raise dry Browns a little bit. That's what 208 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: some offensive lineman get these days. All right now, I 209 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: want to ask you. The philosophy that that I always 210 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: kind of go in with in the draft is that 211 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: you've got to get a media production out of your 212 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: first three rounds of picks. The Giants had, of course 213 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: five guys, because they wound up with a Zudo the 214 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, and Flat the corner in round three. It 215 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: doesn't look like a Zudo. I mean, who knows, Maybe 216 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: he'll win the job out of the gate. I don't know. 217 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: I think that Lemieux probably has something to say about that. 218 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: And Flat. Look, Darne Holmes isn't gonna give up that 219 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: job very quickly either in the slot. But how did 220 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: you look at those two guys going in? Did you 221 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: look at them as guys who might be able to 222 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: make rotational impact right away or these guys more future 223 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: picks in your mind? I think they're gonna be factors 224 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: in two. And I'm gonna tell you why. I I 225 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: draw this comparison back to how Tavon Young was used 226 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: in Baltimore and Tavon Young, if you remember back, I 227 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: mean he was just released this off season, but he 228 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen, the year that Martindale took over 229 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: the defensive cornator position in Baltimore. That all season is 230 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: when Baltimore made him, at the time, the highest paid 231 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: nickel in the NFL. And Tavon Young was a guy 232 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: that played right away, and he started the second half 233 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: of his rookie year. And I don't so I think 234 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Martindale is not immune at all to using rookies in 235 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: really important roles. Right that, I would say the corner 236 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: position and the nickel corner they're gonna be as important 237 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: to the Martindale scheme as as any position on the 238 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: field because they get left alone on an island. And 239 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: what I like about Fly that's similar to Trayvon Young 240 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: Tavon Young is the fact that he can move on 241 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: ice skates right and when you watch him move, it's 242 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: so fluid and so easy. There's not a lot of missteps. 243 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't take him a long time to change direction. 244 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: And he's the kind of guy that can play sticky 245 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: against these small, quick slot receivers. That's why that's been 246 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: one of the issues with darn A Holmes, right, he 247 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: gets a little too gravy with his hands. He's had 248 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: a hard time staying healthy. I think Flot is going 249 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: to give him a run for his money, and that's 250 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: something you should be really kind of keeping a close 251 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: eye on during training camp, because I think Flott is 252 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: a better cover man and he's just as aggressive as 253 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: Young was in Baltimore. All right. Before I get to 254 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: the rest of the group in general, I do want 255 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: to go to Daniel Bellinger for a second, the tight 256 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: end who comes out of San Diego State in the 257 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: fourth round. I've seen him now, he'll already on the 258 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: practice field. He reminds me an awful lot of Jake Ballard, 259 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, in comparison. Who knows what 260 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: the upside is going to be for him. Maybe he'll 261 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: catch some key passes like Ballard did. But I do 262 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: know this, it looks like from what I've seen them 263 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: throwing the ball to him, he has much better hands 264 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: and can be a bigger part of the receiving game 265 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: than maybe has been advertised. Hasn't dropped the past in 266 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: two years, You know that that's something that should be 267 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: really kind of keep keep an eye on. And I 268 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: think this position group overall, with the Kins and Steals, 269 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: Jones and these are guys that have never really played 270 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: over the snaps in the season, right, they average two 271 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: catches per game, So you can say Bellinger has a 272 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: real shot at seeing a lot of playing time for 273 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: this offense. And because of the skill set he does 274 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: check a lot of boxes. Hightway, speed, hands, routes, but 275 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: also what's in front of him. There's really not a 276 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: piece in front of him at tight end that really 277 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: says hey heat their head and shoulders above Billinger. So 278 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: I will say this the tight end position, it's very 279 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: hard for rookie translate from from college to the NFL. 280 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: There's just so much to learn, blocking, receiving, running routes. 281 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: But if you're just gonna talk about tools and potential, 282 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: that's what we're really doing with young players, right projecting 283 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: Bellinger checks all the boxes, and if he can learn 284 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: that playbook and prove that he can get movement off 285 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: the ball as a blocker, I think you're gonna see 286 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: him on the field a lot, especially towards the second 287 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: half of the year. There seems to be as far 288 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: as the rest of the class that the Giants picked, 289 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: a lot of debate as to who might make the 290 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 1: most impact as a rookie. So I'm gonna ask you 291 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: two old question, and I know that they're a little 292 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: thin at safety right now. So Belton would be an 293 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: obvious choice for a lot of people. But who will 294 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: not only get the most snaps and make more impact? Now, 295 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: which of the guys in that back half of the 296 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: Giants draft you think long term may make the most impact. 297 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I think is going to be 298 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the stand out who's gonna get Martindale's attention right away, 299 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: and it's darre and Beavers from Cincinnati. Really surprised they 300 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: got him where they did. I was almost sure he'd 301 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: be a fourth or fifth round pick. And this happens 302 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: every year, right where you just see guys kind of 303 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: fall a little low in the draft when he thought 304 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: because it's different situations and personnel situations across the league, 305 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: especially day three. Beaver's is the personality. He is a 306 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: true alpha male. When you watch Cincinnati play defense, he's 307 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: the guy that kind of catches your attention, the kind 308 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: of guy that is, you know, he'll let someone know 309 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: that he hit them physically and mentally, you know, And 310 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of like that's what I always felt like 311 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: Martindale was. And I'll tell you what, the position that 312 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: Martindale got the most out of as a defensive coordinator 313 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: in Baltimore was the inside linebacker spot. That's where he 314 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: was coaching prior to his promotion at defensive coordinator. A 315 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: lot of that production. They got a lot of production 316 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: at a late round picks and undrafted free agents. Beavers 317 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of has that multiple look about him too. He 318 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: can play the inside. He can also rush the passer 319 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: from the outside. So when you're talking about a defense 320 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: that's main goal is to confuse the opposing quarterback. You 321 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: see Beavers on the field, you don't know where he's 322 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: gonna line up. I think that skill set he's a 323 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: better athlete than I think people think. I think you're 324 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: gonna see him make quite the impact and I think 325 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: down the road, I mean, Belton is gonna be a factor, 326 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: like you said, because of the situation in front of him. 327 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: Julian Love is more of a hybrid corner safety guy 328 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna be out there for past defense and maybe 329 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: play a little bit of a safety nickel role. Belton 330 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: kind of plays that that hybrid linebackers linebacker safety type 331 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: role where he's Downhill gets a little stifferent coverage against receivers, 332 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: but he'll make an impact as a pursuing safety against 333 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: the run. Kind of like if you remember what Jabril 334 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: Wilson did when he was a rookie, kind of burst 335 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: onto the scene as that that late round pick. I 336 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: think he was a fifth rounder Jaberl Wilson, where Belton 337 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: kind of has that similar place style where he he'll 338 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: make mistakes, but they'll be aggressive mistakes. And I'll tell 339 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: you the undrafted free agent to keep an eye on 340 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: his Quirker from Kentucky. Giant season tickets are on sale 341 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: now for the season. In addition to ticket savings, membership 342 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: benefits include access to exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, and more. 343 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: You can lock in your seat starting at just one 344 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Called n yg of his giants dot com 345 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: slash tickets for more information. Yeah, already, he's had some 346 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: good practices, all right. Let me flip it back to 347 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: last year for a second year David. In the time 348 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: that we have left, we all know what Kadarius Tony 349 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: was advertised to do. Had some injuries, but old Jewel 350 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: Lory who immediately came up with eight sacks, and I 351 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: know they were efforts sacks for the most part as 352 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: a rookie, Where do you see his upside based on 353 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: what you saw in college and what you saw steer 354 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: in one? It's good question to me, I'll be honest 355 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: with you, because a lot of the edge players that 356 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: Martindale had success with in Baltimore, they were bigger. There 357 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: were two sixty five to seventy five, and they have 358 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: Tyrus Bowser, who's you know, evolved into a solid rotational 359 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: pass rusher. But you know Ogilary, it looks like he's 360 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: adding some muscle mass. I mean, you might be able 361 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: to answer that better than I, But I do think 362 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: that the upside here is going to be very much 363 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: dependent on what's around him. I don't think I think 364 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: old Ogilari is ever gonna be like the highlight pass 365 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: rusher of this group. But if Thibodeau progresses and Leonard 366 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Williams and Dr Lawrence can create some pressure from the inside, 367 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: he can win off the ball and he can beat 368 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: one on one bloggers, then like you said, the effort 369 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: is always there and that does mean something. Do I 370 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: think this new scheme is gonna create a whole new 371 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: opportunity for Ogilary. I don't, but I think that in 372 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: a world of defense where you just need four or 373 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: five six guys that can get off the passer, he 374 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: will at least be one of those pieces. Let's stay 375 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: with the defense, because I think there are are some questions, 376 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: but there's certainly some potential. Aaron Robinson wants to fight 377 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: for that cornerback job opposite Dorey Jackson Ali since Smith 378 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: is a very intriguing player who I don't think we 379 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: still know enough about, and quite frankly, where Darius Williams 380 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: has a has also thrown his name into the mix, 381 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: trying to compete at corner as he comes back from 382 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: his a C L. Of those three guys, how much 383 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: of a fact do you think they could be opportunity 384 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: of a lifetime for all three? I think A Robinson 385 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: and Roe, Darius Williams. Uh, you know, you don't get 386 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: many opportunities like this on a team that is searching 387 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: for answers at cornerback. And next year, you know, oh, 388 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: no matter how Jackson plays this year, he might be 389 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: another cap casualty of Jane's trying to really clear this 390 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: cap for the long term future. If Robinson and Williams 391 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: could come in and prove even though they're drafted by 392 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: a previous regime. Every front office wants this right, guys 393 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: on rookie contracts that can exceed those dividends, right. So 394 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: I think Robinson will Lilliams had the opportunity of a lifetime. 395 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a fun battle to watch. And I'll 396 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: tell you what. Ellerson Smith was one of my favorite 397 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: picks last year that gentleman made and I think that 398 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: he has that inside outside versatility that is a perfect 399 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: fit for the scheme. And unlike Ojulari, he fits the 400 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: physical profile that Martindale likes to use great length to 401 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: David outstanding length. He has like that Jason Taylor type body, 402 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: and I think he has I mean he I was 403 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: unfortunate that he was hurt for a lot of last year, 404 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of playing time. He saw a 405 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: little bit down the stretch. But now that he has 406 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: like that year, I said coming out that he was 407 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: gonna need a year in that NFL strength and conditioning 408 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: program to really kind of firm up the body a 409 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: little bit. And I think that that's someone that a 410 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: lot of people are overlooking right now that we should 411 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: be really excited about. I agree with you on him. Finally, 412 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: from that class, there's Gary bright Well. We know the 413 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: Giants brought in Matt Breda to be part of the 414 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: running back corps behind say Kwan Blackly. Bright Well primarily 415 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: special teams last year again wasn't able to show anything 416 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: from scrimmage. How much of a challenge is it going 417 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: to be for him to hold off maybe somebody else 418 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: who might be on this roster like an Antineuli Williams 419 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: trying to make make his mark is the third back. Yeah, 420 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: A couple of observations there. You know Brida Breda and Williams, 421 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: they have a history with this coaching staff with Davil, 422 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: and I think that's always almost an unfair advantage when 423 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: you have, like a lot of when you see coaches 424 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: change teams, you see that a lot of them tried 425 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: to bring in talent that they've worked with at previous stops, 426 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: and that might give them a little bit of bias. 427 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: Another thing that might go against bright Will is he 428 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: was drafted primarily by Joe Judge for special teams, right. 429 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: That was really I think, in my opinion, the primary 430 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: reason why he was drafted to be a gunner on 431 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: special teams and see if you can develop him in 432 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: the backfield behind ste kuon Barkley. And because of that, 433 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: and because of the new bodies they brought in that 434 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: already had experience with Dabel Bright, well, it's gonna have 435 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: to show something this summer to really firm up that 436 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: spot on the roster. Appreciate your time. That is David's 437 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: cyberstend from our Lands Scouting Services. It's been real fun 438 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: having you on the huddle. Thank you so much. Enjoy 439 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: the summer. Thank you sir. Remember you could always catch 440 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: the Giants Huddle on giants dot com, the Giants Mobile 441 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: app and your podcast platforms everywhere. We'll see you next time.