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Speaker 2: In an hour from now, Mike Florio from Pro Football

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Speaker 2: Talk Live.

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Speaker 3: He will join us to talk about.

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Speaker 2: The still unfolding controversy that Bill Belichick not a first

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Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Famer. There's also a report that Eli

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Speaker 2: Manning is not a second ballot Hall of Famer, so

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to Florio about that as well. There was

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Speaker 2: some news yesterday at the tail end of the show

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Speaker 2: when Shams was on the mother Ship and he was

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Speaker 2: talking about the possibility of Giannis being traded. And the

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Speaker 2: reason why I brought it up is that he had

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Speaker 2: information that Jannis was now asking to be traded. We

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Speaker 2: were waiting to see if it got to that point

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Speaker 2: and was he going to say something publicly, probably said

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Speaker 2: something privately or his agent did. Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks are on the clock trade deadline coming up

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Speaker 2: in what a week from now, February fifth trade deadline,

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Speaker 2: So he wants out and If you're Milwaukee, you've been

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Speaker 2: thinking about this, not publicly, but you you know you

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Speaker 2: have to do the what if scenarios here. But you

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Speaker 2: don't want to be hurrying in rushing in to just

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Speaker 2: trade Yannis. You have to get something that's going to

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Speaker 2: help you. Two time MVP got an NBA championship, And

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Speaker 2: if nothing at the trade deadline moves the needle, then

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Speaker 2: you have to be patient. And you know those summer

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Speaker 2: trades open more doors. Teams have flexibility, and that's when

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Speaker 2: bidding wars are born. But Yannis in Milwaukee, the time

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Speaker 2: is coming to an end. What matters now is not

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Speaker 2: how fast you move him, but what do you do?

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Speaker 2: What do you get when you do move him? I

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Speaker 2: still think Golden State makes the most sense. If I'm Milwaukee,

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Speaker 2: I don't want Karl Anthony Towns. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: pair him with Miles Turner. Who else is going to

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Speaker 2: have draft picks and maybe a young player or two.

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee reportedly wants a young, blue chip star. But if

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Speaker 2: I'm a team, why am I trading my blue chip

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Speaker 2: star for a guy who is an older star? Golden

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Speaker 2: State makes sense if you want to make one last run,

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Speaker 2: can you trade. I think they got like four first

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Speaker 2: round draft picks in the next couple of drafts. Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Kaminga the much rumor Jonathan Kaminga could be on the move.

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Speaker 2: Can you trade Jimmy Butler's contract to the Milwaukee Bucks.

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Speaker 2: I think there's pieces in there. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 2: Steph Draymond Green, okay, I've got your attention at least.

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Speaker 2: And this has been rumored for the last two years

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Speaker 2: of Giannis going to Golden State, and maybe maybe that's

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Speaker 2: where you have him. You don't want to trade him

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Speaker 2: and keep him in the East, send him out West

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Speaker 2: and Giannis with Steph, and maybe you've got two years

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Speaker 2: trying to win another championship. Charles Barkley will join us

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Speaker 2: in an hour from now, so we'll talk about this.

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Speaker 2: And also the inside the NBA crew, they were talking

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Speaker 2: about Lebron James and what they think will happen with

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Speaker 2: Lebron James, and it almost felt like they were suggesting

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Speaker 2: if he comes back, would he come back and play

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Speaker 2: for Cleveland and his career there, And I think that

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Speaker 2: that's been talked about before. Nothing public by Lebron. But

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Speaker 2: Lebron going back to Cleveland with Bronnie, of course, And

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Speaker 2: that'd be a nice way to end it if it

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Speaker 2: happens that way, and it doesn't have to be a

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Speaker 2: move based on money. If Lebron decided he was going

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Speaker 2: to take that mid level you know, salary exemption. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you could make this work. And you don't want to

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Speaker 2: give up If you're Lebron, you don't want to be

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Speaker 2: giving up these young players, you know, for them to

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Speaker 2: cap wise with your salary. And if you do it

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Speaker 2: and you don't do it for the money, you know,

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Speaker 2: you could have a team that could win the East.

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Speaker 2: You could go back to the NBA Finals. You got

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Speaker 2: a better chance in Cleveland with that roster than you

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Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Charles about that.

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Speaker 2: He'll join us in the final hour of the program.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paulie, I was just thinking of a couple teams.

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Speaker 4: I saw some odds of teams that could pursue you. Honest,

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Speaker 4: if you're the Oklahoma City Thunder, you're thirty eight and

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Speaker 2: I'm already the best team in the league. I don't

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Speaker 2: Because by bringing in Giannis, are you telling them without

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Speaker 2: telling them we need help if we're going to try

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Speaker 2: to win again this year. I think they look at

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Speaker 2: this and say, we're still the best team. And I

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Speaker 2: don't want to give up the future here, like we're

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Speaker 2: built for the next five years. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: give that up just to win one more title. I

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Speaker 2: want to win two or three more titles.

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Speaker 5: Yes, mart If Giannis goes to Golden State to pair

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Speaker 5: up with Steph, does he undo the good will that

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Speaker 5: he got while he was in Milwaukee? Is like the

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Speaker 5: small market guy winning a championship, staying quote unquote loyal

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Speaker 6: Does he undo that goodwill?

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Speaker 2: No, he gave you a championship. He was loyal. They

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Speaker 2: just didn't put the right pieces around him, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paulie question with the Spurs thirty two and fifteen,

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Speaker 4: maybe a little head of schedule, Wemby, do you mess

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Speaker 4: that's a too quick nose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got something in San Antonio, I do. I

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Speaker 2: in Okac I don't want to mess with that. Golden State.

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Speaker 2: Golden State got a swing for the fences, because as

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Speaker 2: it is now, you're just gonna be one of those.

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Speaker 2: Oh you get a chance to see Steph Curry, you're

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Speaker 2: treading water and that's no man's land in the NBA. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know you won forty four games. That wouldn't cut

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Speaker 2: go after Yannis because you might not have anything to

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Speaker 2: show for this over the next two years the way

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Speaker 2: you're going now. And if you get him now, all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, now you have something, and maybe you

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Speaker 3: Boy, ye, there'll be a tough out. You got to

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Speaker 3: beat him four times.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're gonna give up, But if

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Speaker 2: maybe you get Butler's expiring contract. And once again, I

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Speaker 2: don't do the math, and you know how this fits

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Speaker 2: in a salary cap. None of that is just as

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Speaker 2: much and maybe a third team has to get involved

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Speaker 2: in this as well. Eight seven seven to three DP

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Speaker 2: Show email address dpat Danpatrick dot com, twitter handle a

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Speaker 2: TP show. In his first twelve games in Cleveland as

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Speaker 2: a visiting player, lebron James went ten and two. He's

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Speaker 2: lost his last two in Cleveland by a combined fifty

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Speaker 2: Browny had a highlight last night in mop up time

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Speaker 2: that yeah, I had a dunk, threw it down, big man.

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Speaker 6: He had eight points last night, almost.

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Speaker 2: Out scored his dad. Bron had eleven. Really yeah, yeah

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Speaker 2: he had eleven. Yeah, Bronnie turning it up, turned it

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Speaker 2: up the heat a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Best doing the league, Yeah, best two man team, best

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Speaker 4: father son doing the league, hands down.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, hold on, let me put my Bronnie James jersey on.

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Speaker 7: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We got our pick of jerseys, and you know so right, Prince,

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Speaker 2: he got Brunson Jersey. Marvin, you got timber Wolves. Oh

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Speaker 2: you know, you got Castle with san Antonio, Paulie got

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Speaker 2: Steph Curry, set got Bronnie James.

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Speaker 3: Like a misprint. That's the number nine right there, Yeah

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have Luca I have Lucas Jersey there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice. You gotta gotta get that sign Seaton. Gotta

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Speaker 3: get it framed.

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Speaker 7: I would, I would get it signed. I would get

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Speaker 7: it framed. Oh, by the way, I got an unbelievable

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Speaker 7: gift in the mail. Now, if I can tell our

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Speaker 7: cameraman weeks if he goes out in you know, past

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Speaker 7: the glass doors on the left right by the Crappensburg State.

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Speaker 3: Photo that I have.

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Speaker 2: Of course, and it would be right by the wheel

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Speaker 2: of Punishment, and there it is.

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Speaker 3: There it is.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching on Peacock or NBC Sports Network. John

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Speaker 2: Colby came up with the theme music for Sports Centered.

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Speaker 3: The eat Da Da Da Da Da Da.

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Speaker 2: That is, that's the music sheet and he signed it.

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Speaker 2: He said, Hey, I was watching the show the other day.

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Speaker 2: I thought this would look great on the wall. So

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Speaker 2: he sent me that yesterday. And I'm known, you know,

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Speaker 2: John and his wife and family for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: And uh, nice surprised that I got the Sports Center

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Speaker 2: theme music a sheet of music autographed by John. Yes.

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Speaker 8: Time, you gotta leave him voicemail. Thanks a lot, Thanks

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Speaker 8: a lot.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna give you a bloop on that.

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Speaker 8: I'll take it.

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Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for the game.

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Speaker 3: Really nice.

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Speaker 4: It's a line.

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Speaker 3: I loved it every thought.

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Speaker 7: Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 3: It's funny, Todd, Thank you, Tod. Poll question for hour

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Speaker 3: two is going.

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Speaker 7: To be what let's see We've got three of them

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Speaker 7: up there already, Dan Thrice pull questions Thrice.

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Speaker 2: By the way, people ask me all the time. Hey,

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Speaker 2: John Colby came up with the Sports Center theme song?

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Speaker 2: What's your second favorite John Colby's song? And I don't

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Speaker 3: You just like his early work. I like his early work.

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Speaker 3: He came up one hit wonder maybe.

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Speaker 9: Yes, time for getting to the Star Wars theme or

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Speaker 9: Rocky or Close Encounters.

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Speaker 2: Nobody did Sports Center More importantly, did Sports Center theme song?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm dying to know.

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Speaker 4: Did he get paid upfront or did he get paid

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Speaker 4: for dada da da dot?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And I might have asked John this a long time ago,

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Speaker 2: because I think he sold it the rights.

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Speaker 3: To the Mothership. I think I don't know, Yeah, Paul, Yes.

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Speaker 7: A little known fact about John Colby. He's actually a

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Speaker 7: co composer of the snow song informer.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's his best work.

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Speaker 3: That's not true.

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Speaker 7: That I tried to think of the most random song

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 3: Informer. Yeah, he actually co wrote that he's been living

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Speaker 6: I want the music sheet today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, John, thank you, thank you for sending me

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Speaker 2: the sheet music for these sports center things.

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Speaker 7: It was like, man, we're really like just corrupting this guy.

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Speaker 3: And they have a name for it, toun and what Todd?

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Speaker 3: You ever heard of this? That is not a thing.

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Speaker 8: No one has ever done that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, bully.

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Speaker 4: I remember my first month working with Todd. Our deaths

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Speaker 3: He took everything off the desk.

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Speaker 8: Back then, there was nothing online.

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Speaker 3: And you didn't have book family photos, you had nothing.

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Speaker 8: I did not.

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Speaker 9: I had a little bronco helmet thing that you blow up.

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Speaker 7: Balloon type of the Yes, I just tos it. Back then,

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Speaker 8: I don't carry about my briefcase any more. Now it's

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Speaker 9: But I had a briefcase and my tunisia and my

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Speaker 2: That's sticks, Let's book some guests. But you do take

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Speaker 9: I do, except for the little knick knocks that I

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Speaker 9: know you like to have in certain spots. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Is that an issue that I put stuff on your desk?

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Speaker 9: It is a little cluttered if it was up to me.

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Speaker 3: A little bit I have OCD right.

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Speaker 9: Do you think something would happen to the show would

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Speaker 3: Are you asking me to move some stuff?

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Speaker 8: I'd like you to give it some thought. Does to

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Speaker 9: But I know pretty much every single thing on here,

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Speaker 9: if it was up to me, would not be on

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Speaker 9: But even that I would put somewhere else. All right,

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Speaker 9: It's nothing mean. I'm not trying to stir something up,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is content. It's a TV show as well,

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Speaker 8: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 9: But the stress of knowing that one wrong move, or

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Speaker 9: if I get up a certain way and I knock

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Speaker 8: I want to break anything.

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Speaker 6: I'm frightened.

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Speaker 9: I could speak for all of us. That's something would

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Speaker 9: and then we get a whole talking to No one

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Speaker 9: needs that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I talked in the back.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell me what a great job I didn't know.

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Speaker 8: I'll just come back. We don't let try my.

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Speaker 3: Studio, Todd. I put the stuff where it goes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 8: And that's why you get to taste the meat before

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Speaker 8: we do. Because you're the hose. You get to eat

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Speaker 8: the bago.

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Speaker 3: What are we doing now?

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Speaker 11: The airing of the grievance today?

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Speaker 3: What are we doing so?

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't mind if the rest of us had a

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Speaker 8: You get to do it. You're trying it out, but

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Speaker 2: See you open the door and then you tell me

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Speaker 2: what you really Everything comes out Now.

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Speaker 8: I'm the house. I eat first. You guys will wait,

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Speaker 8: and then.

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Speaker 9: We treat the guys in the back like that. We're

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Speaker 9: we last? At least we're seconds.

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Speaker 3: I gotta put up with you for a week in

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Speaker 8: It's gonna be rough for you. I wouldn't want to

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Speaker 6: You get the first.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not on your flight.

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Speaker 8: I mean three A. What do you got?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I'd rather walk.

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Speaker 6: You would rather walk? Yes?

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Speaker 3: I know you would. Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 4: The other day on Monday, I noticed Todd's shot on TV.

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Speaker 4: There's this gold thing sticking into his chin area. I said,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I should do that, And I said,

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Speaker 6: He goes, I hope nobody notices as I.

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Speaker 9: Was moving at the shaking and the petrified, I'm like

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Speaker 8: Please don't tell me.

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Speaker 7: He sues me that this is actually interesting about it.

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Speaker 7: This actually originates with Paul being unhappy with what's on

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Speaker 3: And he didn't throw that over and over and over again.

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Speaker 6: Yes, signed me to movie.

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Speaker 8: He said, if it's bothering, you're just moving. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 6: He looks up and around him see you moving.

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Speaker 8: And you move it.

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Speaker 3: Then if that bothering me, you do it.

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Speaker 8: We done for now, as you were, back to you

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Speaker 2: How about we take a break. Mike Florio will join

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Speaker 2: us more on the Hall of Fame situation. We're back

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Speaker 3: We'll settle on our poll question for hour two.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to Belichick.

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Speaker 2: I had a problem with Sean Payton revealing medical information

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Speaker 2: about bo Nicks. Bo Nicks certainly had a problem with it.

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Speaker 11: I was surprised that he did, but I'm not surprised

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Speaker 11: That was like bo he knows everything about every surger

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Speaker 3: So they know.

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Speaker 11: But it does seem to be a little something going

448
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Speaker 11: on between Peyton and bow Nix, and fortunately they have

449
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Speaker 11: some time to smooth things over before they get back

450
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Speaker 11: to work.

451
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Speaker 3: Go to neutral corners.

452
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Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame feels the need to issue a

453
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Speaker 2: press release.

454
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Speaker 11: Why, well, I don't know, Dan, And it's funny. I

455
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 11: was on radio in Seattle when the press release came

456
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Speaker 11: out and they said to me, oh, we've just gotten

457
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Speaker 11: a statement from the Hall of Fame, and I thought

458
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Speaker 11: it was a bit like okay, yeah, and then I

459
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 11: said no, it's real. I thought, oh my god, they're

460
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Speaker 11: putting Belichick in, Like why would you issue a statement?

461
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 11: And then when I saw the statement, like what is

462
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 11: this about? They're threatening to strip the voting privileges from

463
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Speaker 11: fifty people who don't get paid, who spend hours every year.

464
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Speaker 11: It's a vanity license plate. I mean, it really is.

465
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Speaker 11: Nobody's getting a job because they're a pro football Hall

466
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Speaker 11: of Fame voter. Nobody is holding onto their job because

467
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 11: ooh I'm a Hall of Fame voter. It's just something

468
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 11: you can talk to your friends and family about. And hey,

469
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Speaker 11: I'm a pro football Hall of Fame voter, and you

470
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Speaker 11: don't get anything for it other than a hassle. And

471
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Speaker 11: now they're threatening to take it away because of some

472
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Speaker 11: vague failure to comply with the bylaws. And I just

473
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Speaker 11: posted something a little while ago. Dan, The best I

474
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Speaker 11: can tell is they're not pleased with what Armando Salgero

475
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Speaker 11: said to you yesterday about what went on in the room.

476
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Speaker 11: Because I got the bylaws, I found them, had somebody

477
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Speaker 11: send them to me. There's a specific clause in there

478
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 11: that says you have to maintain strict confidence about anything

479
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 11: that is said in the meeting, so you're not allowed

480
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Speaker 11: to talk about it. But this process has put people

481
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Speaker 11: in a difficult position where fans, media, those of us

482
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Speaker 11: who weren't in the room, we want to know what

483
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 11: the hell happened to lead to this result. So I

484
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Speaker 11: thought the whole thing was a mistake by the Hall

485
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Speaker 11: of Fame. It doesn't surprise me because the Hall of

486
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 11: Fame created this mess that now the fifty voters have

487
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Speaker 11: to deal with.

488
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Speaker 2: Okay, but how do they change this? As one of

489
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Speaker 2: the voters told me on Wednesday morning. We know the

490
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Speaker 2: system is flawed. We have to change it. What are

491
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Speaker 2: they going to change it too.

492
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Speaker 11: Dan, here's the easiest fix. They just need to go

493
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Speaker 11: back to an upper down vote for the finalists. That's

494
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Speaker 11: how it used to be. And Vaije Gregorian, who posted

495
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Speaker 11: at the Kansas City Star website his reasoning for not

496
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Speaker 11: voting for Belichick.

497
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Speaker 2: He said, wait, hold on, Mike, go back to it.

498
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Speaker 2: Just a thumb's upper thumbs down. There was no bus.

499
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Speaker 11: It used to be. Well, no, I mean you voted secretly,

500
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Speaker 11: but it used to be when you had your pool

501
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 11: of finalists, they would go through each one. Once we

502
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Speaker 11: got down to the actual finalists, whatever it was, five

503
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Speaker 11: to eight, however many it would be upper down vote

504
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Speaker 11: yes or no. And if you got eighty percent.

505
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Speaker 6: Of the vote.

506
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Speaker 11: Currently with fifty voters, you get forty, you're in. So

507
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Speaker 11: Vaje Grigorian, who didn't vote for Belichick, wrote in his column,

508
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Speaker 11: if it was just a straight yes or no for

509
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Speaker 11: Bill Belichick, yes, I'm voted for Bill Belichick. He should

510
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 11: be in. But they've created this weird thing. And I'll

511
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Speaker 11: try to be as concise as possible to the extent

512
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Speaker 11: that I even understand it. They have five people jammed

513
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Speaker 11: into the same bucket, and for this year it was

514
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Speaker 11: Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, Else Greenwood, Ken Anderson, and Roger Craig.

515
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Speaker 11: Three from the Seniors Committee, contributor nominee Craft coaching nominee Belichick.

516
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 11: Five of them. You pick three. You don't do up

517
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 11: or down for each one. Every voter picks three. And

518
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 11: Gregorian's explanation is, well, for these three Senior Committees, this

519
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 11: is their only shot. These guys Greenwood, Anderson, and Craig,

520
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 11: this is it for them. If they don't get in now,

521
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 11: they're never getting in. So he voted for them because

522
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 11: his thinking is Belichick's going to get in next year.

523
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 11: So that process that has changed what used to be

524
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Speaker 11: yes or no, up or down. That makes it harder

525
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Speaker 11: for the finalists to get in. And it's why we

526
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 11: saw a smaller class last year. Of whoever was in

527
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Speaker 11: that bucket. Last year, Sterling Sharp was the only one

528
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Speaker 11: who got in. They all should have a straight upper

529
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Speaker 11: down vote. It shouldn't be this weird Pick three out

530
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Speaker 11: of five and then we'll see who gets eighty percent.

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because if you get.

532
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Speaker 2: To the point where the contributor and the coach are

533
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Speaker 2: getting in, and then you have three players that surveive

534
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Speaker 2: to get to this point. And as the voter said,

535
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Speaker 2: you know, you got five candidates that are worthy, and

536
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Speaker 2: now we got to pick three out of the five

537
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Speaker 2: and they have to get eighty percent. It's just a

538
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Speaker 2: flawed system. Why not put all five in if you

539
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: got one from that category, one from that category and

540
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Speaker 2: three former players.

541
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Speaker 11: Here's my theory, Dan, I think that the Hall of

542
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 11: Fame was sensitive to criticism from people like Dion Sanders

543
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 11: that too many people are getting in. But raising the

544
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Speaker 11: bar when you've already had a bar here, it's not

545
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Speaker 11: fair to the next class of candidates to say, oh,

546
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Speaker 11: oh uh, we're raising the bar higher, even though we've

547
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 11: put all these other people in under a different standard,

548
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 11: we're now raising the bar higher. The only solution to

549
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 11: Dion's concern, and we've been advocating this for three years now,

550
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Speaker 11: create an upper room of the Hall of Fame the

551
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Speaker 11: best of the best. We have a running list that

552
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Speaker 11: we post every year at the time the Hall of

553
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 11: Fame and Shrimeate ceremony happens, updated whether or not there's

554
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Speaker 11: any new ones this year that are the no brainer,

555
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 11: might drop these guys are in. And the sad part

556
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 11: about this is Belichick would be on that list. He's

557
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 11: a no brainer, might drop best to the best, and

558
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 11: he couldn't get through the door the first time around.

559
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 11: That's what I think makes this so frustrating to most people.

560
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Speaker 2: But if you were going to pinpoint the biggest reason

561
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Speaker 2: why Belichick is not going into the Hall of Fame

562
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: this year, it's what.

563
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Speaker 11: Well, people don't like him. I think that's it. People

564
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 11: don't like him. He's a jerk. Is that a surprise?

565
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 11: But I think we need to be able to compartmentalize.

566
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Speaker 11: He's one of the greatest coaches of all time and

567
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Speaker 11: the fact that he is a jerk objectively speaking or

568
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 11: subjectively speaking, my opinion he's a jerk. Others have that opinion.

569
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Speaker 11: That's part of what made him great. He'd rip into

570
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Speaker 11: Tom Brady in front of the meeting room and scare

571
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 11: the hell out of everybody, and they'd all, we better,

572
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Speaker 11: we better do our jobs, or we're not going to

573
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 11: have jobs. So he's clearly one of the greatest coaches

574
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Speaker 11: of all time. And I think it's easy to find

575
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Speaker 11: reasons if you don't like someone if you're looking for

576
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 11: a reason, Oh it's spygate. Oh he needs to sit

577
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Speaker 11: out of here because of spygate, or you know whatever

578
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 11: else they want to. Oh, look at his Look at

579
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 11: his record without Tom Brady, look at his record with

580
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Speaker 11: Tom Brady. Tom Brady, he made Bill Belichick like, you

581
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 11: can come up with any reason, and people just subjectively

582
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 11: don't like certain people. And I think that when you

583
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 11: have a unreasonably secret process where no one's allowed, it's

584
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 11: like a papal conclave. Let mean, come on, why why

585
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 11: isn't it transparent? When you take away transparency, people can

586
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 11: hide behind all sorts of things and then they just

587
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 11: and you don't even have to vote.

588
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Speaker 2: No.

589
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Speaker 11: That's one of the other problems with this process. All

590
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 11: I didn't vote against Bill Belichick. I just didn't vote

591
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 11: for him. I never said no to Bill Belichick. So

592
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Speaker 11: I think I think, and I'll defer to Armando because

593
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 11: he presented him and he told you yesterday. Spygates seemed

594
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 11: to be the reason. But I think that I think

595
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 11: it was just at least eleven of the fifty didn't

596
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 11: like him, and so they sunk their teeth into anything

597
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 11: they could to justify it.

598
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Speaker 2: Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host, what does

599
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Speaker 2: this mean for Tom Brady when he comes becomes eligible.

600
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Speaker 11: I don't think it means anything. Tom Brady should be

601
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 11: a mic drop, no brainer, first ballot, Upper Room Hall

602
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 11: of Famer, and he's in a different category. See he'll

603
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 11: be in the modern era player category that ultimately gets

604
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 11: down to fifteen when they start the meeting, and then

605
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 11: they cut it to ten, and then they cut it

606
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Speaker 11: to seven. And I think you vote for five of

607
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 11: the seven, just same ideas the other thing we talked about,

608
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Speaker 11: and you have to get eighty percent on the five

609
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 11: of the seven. And I don't know is somebody going

610
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 11: to say, well, you know, Brady's definitely going to get

611
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 11: an outvot for somebody else instead. So they need to

612
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 11: get back to upper down. And if it's a straight

613
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 11: up or down vote Brad, I mean, who would vote

614
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 11: no to Tom Brady? To flight gate was a small

615
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 11: blip on the radar screen, and I think it was overblown.

616
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 11: I think the evidence should have been deemed to be inconclusive.

617
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 11: And I think the whole idea of treating this objective weird.

618
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 11: It's always been in the rule book range of air pressure.

619
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Speaker 11: Who the hell cares we wanted to be able to

620
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 11: throw the football. Who cares how much it's in the

621
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 11: damn football? So I think that shouldn't matter. And I

622
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 11: and I also think that Brady will benefit from this controversy.

623
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 11: They'll be even more careful when Brady's up to not

624
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 11: step in this pilot crap.

625
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 6: Again.

626
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: I brought this up. I brought it up a couple

627
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: of times. Now I know Brady lied to the commissioner.

628
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: That's why he got in trouble. Aaron Rodgers told me

629
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: that he over inflated footballs. Nobody brought up labeled him

630
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: a cheater.

631
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Dan, this numbers just pulled out a thin air.

632
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 11: It's the numbers. It's the recommended inflation from Wilson twelve

633
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 11: point five to thirteen. I remember when this first happened.

634
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 11: My wife was saying, well, what's going on with these footballs.

635
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 11: It's like, well, Patriots are in trouble because they supposedly

636
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 11: took air to the footballs. Well, why they do that? Well,

637
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 11: because it makes it easier to hold the football. Well,

638
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 11: what does that do? What makes it easier to throw

639
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 11: the football? Well, isn't that what they want? Like don't

640
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 11: we want The whole thing is just bizarre, and it was,

641
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 11: and it's been reported over and over again. This was

642
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 11: we didn't hit them hard enough for Spygate, and there

643
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 11: was a caball of owners and others in the league

644
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 11: that wanted another pound of flesh out of the New

645
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 11: England Patriots. And the weird part about it is that

646
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 11: one didn't stick to Belichick at all. He managed to

647
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 11: push that whole thing over to Brady. So the only

648
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 11: thing they really have on Belichick is spygate from nineteen

649
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 11: years ago. And if you just if you throw away

650
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 11: two thousand and seven and prior everything since then, is

651
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 11: still more than enough for him to walk into the

652
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 11: Hall of Fame on the first try.

653
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know if Robert Craft is getting in.

654
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm still amazed that he's not in when you look

655
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: at his resume. Why has he been held outside the

656
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: pearly gates.

657
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 11: Well, if Jerry Jones is in, Robert Craft is in.

658
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 11: It's that simple. Now, Robert Kraft is trying to get

659
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 11: in under this new flawed process, and I won't be

660
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 11: surprised if he didn't get in. I know there are

661
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 11: some out there thinking that Robert has this grand conspiracy

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Speaker 11: where he's going to keep Belichick out and he's going

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Speaker 11: to get himself in. I thinks it would be hard

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Speaker 11: for any of those five to get in. It may

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Speaker 11: just be one at the end of the day of

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Speaker 11: the five, like last year, that get to eighty percent.

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Speaker 11: But the problem with the Hall of Fame is there

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Speaker 11: are too many worthy candidates and the process entails. It's

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Speaker 11: not apples to apples. I mean, it's apples to oranges,

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Speaker 11: to car batteries to you know. I mean, it's impossible

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Speaker 11: to compare all the different positions, all the different contributions,

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Speaker 11: and it's all funneled into this log jam that's almost

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Speaker 11: impossible to bust out of. So it's a very imperfect process,

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Speaker 11: as highlighted by everything we've seen and heard the past

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Speaker 11: two days.

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Speaker 3: Eli Manning reportedly will have to wait another year.

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Speaker 11: Your thoughts, well, I've doesn't surprise me because of the

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Speaker 11: current process, and because beyond those two years when they

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Speaker 11: went to the Super Bowl and one and look, he

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Speaker 11: had two of the biggest moments in Super Bowl history,

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Speaker 11: two of the greatest throws. The throw to Mario Manningham

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Speaker 11: in Super Bowl forty six is not nearly as remembered

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Speaker 11: as it should be. That saved the game for the

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Speaker 11: Giants that day, And obviously we know about the Tyree throw.

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Speaker 11: But you know, when you look at the balance of

686
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Speaker 11: his career, you look at his numbers, all the stuff

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Speaker 11: that people get rightfully caught up in when it's time

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Speaker 11: to compare careers. Was he truly one of the best

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Speaker 11: of his era that deserved I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 11: of great quarterbacks from his era, so it doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 11: It's taken him a couple of tries. Will he get

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Speaker 11: in one of these days? I think so. I think

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Speaker 11: he should be there. Jim Plunkett's the only starting quarterback

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Speaker 11: with two Super Bowl wins who hasn't made it. Phil

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Speaker 11: Simms has two super Bowl wins, but obviously he didn't

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Speaker 11: play in Super Bowl twenty five. Roethlisberger's got two. He'll

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Speaker 11: presumably get in. But yeah, I think Eli should be in.

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Speaker 11: But it doesn't surprise me. It's going to take a

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Speaker 11: little while for him to get there.

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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers get bumped back another year because he came

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Speaker 2: out of retirement.

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Speaker 11: No, No, Dan. The moment that he landed on the

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Speaker 11: active roster for the Indianapolis Colts his five year clock reset.

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Speaker 11: He's got to wait five years to consider it.

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Speaker 3: He could have five more kids by then.

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Speaker 11: Oh maybe head coach of an NFL team by then too.

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Speaker 11: I guess that could help his candidacy, But you know,

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Speaker 11: I don't look. I think Philip Rivers was a great

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Speaker 11: quarterback and it was a great story this year.

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Speaker 2: But Mike, if Mike Tomlin is, he can be eligible

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Speaker 2: next year for the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Correct, right, Well, so coaches one year.

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Speaker 11: Coaches now have to be out one year. And the

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Speaker 11: problem is there's already a logjam of coaches. Mike Homgrin

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Speaker 11: should be in, Mike Shanahan should be in. Now, Mike

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Speaker 11: Tomlin's going to be in the mix, and there's a

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Speaker 11: separate committee that serves up one candidate one So who's

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Speaker 11: going to be next year? Is it gonna be Tomlin?

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Speaker 11: Is he gonna be Belichick? Are they going to decide? Well,

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Speaker 11: you know what, if they're not going to put Belichick in,

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Speaker 11: maybe we don't put him up there. I think given

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Speaker 11: the blowback and the reaction, I think Belichick sails in

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Speaker 11: next year. I think it's a no brainer. The only

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Speaker 11: question Dan ponder this. Michael Hawley made this point yesterday.

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Speaker 11: Will he show up at the ceremony when he gets in,

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Speaker 11: or will he do what terall Owens did and do

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Speaker 11: his own thing on that day that he joins the

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Speaker 11: rest of the immortals in Canton.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he sends his girlfriend. I would She might have

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Speaker 2: she might give a better speech than him.

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Speaker 11: Well, she should, everinely be the one who presents him. Now,

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Speaker 11: I'd put my money on that if and when he

733
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Speaker 11: gets in and when he gets in, But I could

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Speaker 11: see him being mad enough about this that he wouldn't

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Speaker 11: show up. I still think he has a sufficient appreciation

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Speaker 11: of NFL and football history that he would not refuse

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Speaker 11: to show up. But I think he'd at least think

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Speaker 11: about it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike's always we appreciated. We'll see in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, good talking anybody, Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk

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Speaker 2: Live co host and contribut two Football Night in America. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think of that. That does Belichick say, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm not showing up. I'll hold my own sort of

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Speaker 2: celebratory day, give a speech to the people that really

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Speaker 2: matter most to me. I'd still I'd send my girlfriend

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Speaker 2: She'll bring a flamethrower.

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Speaker 3: That'd be awesome.

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Speaker 2: All right, take a break. Phone calls coming up, Charles

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Speaker 2: update the poll results if you can seatan.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we got a few of them here for you.

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Speaker 7: The biggest storyline heading into this the Big Game rematch

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Speaker 7: of Big Game forty nine, Sam Donald's redemption, Patriots turn

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Speaker 7: around or other Right now Sam Donald's redemption has about

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Speaker 7: sixty four percent of that vote.

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Speaker 3: And we'll talk to Sam about that tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: We also have more of an underdog Seahawks or Patriots.

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Speaker 7: Patriots at eighty two percent winning that one. And then

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Speaker 7: whose career would you want? This one's from Paul, Eli,

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Speaker 7: Manning or Drew Brees. Drew Brees has fifty five percent

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Speaker 7: of that vote.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would take Drew Brees.

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Speaker 2: I'd take Drew Brees because nobody is saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: is he a Hall of Fame or not?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: And probably a first ballot Hall of Famer. Eli's going

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Speaker 2: to get in, but when you factor in, Eli had

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Speaker 2: two great months of high quality football in his career,

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Speaker 2: but that's probably gonna be enough to get into the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: More, and Drew Brees won with the Saints. That's almost

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Speaker 5: like Indiana football winning the national title.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, Yeah, Drew Brees's Super Bowl win feels like

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Speaker 4: a win and a half. You might think that some

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Speaker 4: people would pick Eli with the two, but Breeze's career

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Speaker 4: is almost really underrated if you look his regulation stats.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Jeff in Detroit, Hi.

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Speaker 10: Jeff five five two twenty five checking in.

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Speaker 13: In a long time.

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Speaker 10: What up go down? And the Cellers? Man, I miss

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Speaker 10: you guys. A lot has been going on. I got

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Speaker 10: a couple of comments.

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Speaker 6: And a question for you. Dan.

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Speaker 10: First of all, if it was me and I was

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Speaker 10: a New England Patriot, I would put on a free

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Speaker 10: Belichick shirt right about now. That guy has done more

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Speaker 10: for football than any coach that I can think of

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Speaker 10: as a guy who has not even sniffed a championship.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, he's in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: Detention.

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Speaker 10: People get you were saying earlier about the Greek freaking

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Speaker 10: people posing him to go to certain places. They proposed

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Speaker 10: him to come here to Detroit. But one thing that

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Speaker 10: I know, you got to have three seats coaching, chemistry,

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Speaker 10: and culture, and we got that right now, and we

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Speaker 10: got Jasen during So I'm good on all of that.

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Speaker 10: My question to you, Dan is outside of Seattle in

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Speaker 10: New England this past NFL season, what was your pleasant

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Speaker 10: surprise and what was your biggest disappointment? I know for me,

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Speaker 10: it was my Lions and the damn Bears, man, I

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Speaker 10: mean that secret sauce that boy got over there is

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Speaker 10: something else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say the Lions because it feels like They're

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Speaker 2: now getting further and further away. You don't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: you start to look at the Bears, the Packers are

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Speaker 2: still going to be formidable. Maybe the Vikings get it right.

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Speaker 2: So I would say the Lions not being in the

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Speaker 2: playoffs pleasant surprises. Well we've taken New England out of that, Carolina,

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Speaker 2: I have to give them some credit. I know it's

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Speaker 2: not a good division, but I mean they made the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I know, losing record, it just you know that that

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Speaker 2: kind of stayed with me for a little while, that

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Speaker 2: they they were in games and maybe they found something

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Speaker 2: there and maybe, you know, I want to see another

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Speaker 2: year with Bryce Young. I'm not going to give him

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Speaker 2: two hundred million dollars. I'd like to see another year

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Speaker 2: or two. Sean and Oregon. Hi, Sean, welcome back.

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Speaker 13: Hey, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 13: You know, there's only five coaches that made it in

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Speaker 13: first and uh Don Shula did not upset the commissioner,

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Speaker 13: and he didn't screw up an undefeated season by losing

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Speaker 13: to a ten and six wild card team called the

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Speaker 13: New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: Have a great day, you guys, all right? Thank you, Sean.

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Speaker 7: Is that the case for him not being first ballot.

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Speaker 7: I guess made the commissioner mad and lost the and

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Speaker 7: he lost to the Giants. It's open season, right.

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Speaker 3: So maybe we're looking at it.

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Speaker 7: It sort of cuts both ways, like Bill Belichick was

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Speaker 7: so great that he's pulling Eli Manning up into the

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Speaker 7: Hall of Fame, and Eli Manning was so bad that

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Speaker 7: he actually made Bill Belichick a not first ballot Hall

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Speaker 7: of Famer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to make up your mind. Is that,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, Eli beat you twice for a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Or hey, you beat Belichick, you should be in the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Either way you're looking at Belichick and

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Speaker 2: Belichick is because you lost to I beat you twice

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Speaker 2: that all of a sudden those super bowls count for more.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin Well, I think we're missing Michael strahand Ocu Mejora,

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Speaker 5: Justin Tugg, Chris Canty.

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Speaker 6: Those guys had a little something to do with the Wings.

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Speaker 2: Final hour on this Thursday coming up? Why am I yelling?

860
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: Charles Barkley will stop by? And you see Lebron may

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Speaker 2: be finishing his career in Cleveland, And what about Giannis's

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Speaker 2: future