WEBVTT - Crisis Pregnancy Centers are Evil 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:12.360 Uh, yeah, the podcast has started. Oh let's start. This 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.520 is this addict that happened here? This is it could 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.079 happen here. That's right, and you're Robert Evans. We also 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:23.120 have Shrine, Lanny Unis and Christopher Wong with us. Christopher, Hi, Yeah, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.439 I guess I'm sort of running this show today, even 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:30.600 to Robert has You're right done? The intro question mark? Um, 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.519 always with a question mark. That's how the pros do it. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:41.000 Can you can tell professionals? Yeah? But speak speaking of professionals, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.040 we have we have Karina Domingus with us, who is 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.600 in fact actually a professional and has spent eight years 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.480 working in reproductive health issues of Karina. Welcome to the show, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.120 and thank you for joining us. Thank you, thank you 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.840 for having me. It's lovely to have you on, Karina. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.560 What's uh, what's going on? How are thanks? Things? Things 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:07.480 are okay? I think I can say that doesn't seem true, Yeah, 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:15.880 but they're okay. Um, yeah, okay. I pulled out of 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.920 a crash truck once and as I was trying to 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.399 like staunch the bleeding from a cut in his hand, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:23.800 I asked how he was and he said, okay, So 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:29.400 I'm guessing it's that kind of Okay, you nailed it. Yeah, Karina, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.479 do you wanna tell us a little bit about your 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.840 background and the work that you do and you know 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.959 why why why? We We just really wanted to have 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.360 you on the show. Yeah, I would love too. So again, 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.440 my name is Karna Dominguez. I am from Chicago born 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.200 and raised. UM. I've worked in reproductive health for about 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.440 eight years, but really what I consider about fifteen years 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.520 or so. UM. I have experience in working in the 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.600 community and different capacities. UM. I love reproductive health. I'd 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.920 consider myself a reproductive health nerd UM. And it all 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.160 started when I was a teenager growing up in Chicago, 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.400 where just in the city life, you see a lot 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.880 of things that don't really sit well with you. UM. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.840 I knew a lot of young girls who were getting 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.760 pregnant at young ages, experiencing trauma and specifically sexual trauma 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.919 UM and not knowing who to go to or where 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.520 to go. So these were mostly young girls of color 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.560 who I cared for a lot. And I immediately knew 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.480 that I wanted to do more activism and that I 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.919 needed to do more activism. And the way my activism 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.520 looks is through my education. So today I have a 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.600 master's in Public Health UM and I also have a 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.320 bachelor's in public health, and with that education, I've been 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.679 able to provide sexual and reproductive health counseling. I practiced 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.560 as a full spectrum dou LA where I have provided 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:50.360 abortion care for people and also UM provided birthing care 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:54.040 for people as well. I led a pregnant parenting program 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.880 at a nonprofit for youth experiencing homelessness, and right now 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.880 I currently manage a sexual and Reproductive health grant where 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.880 we provide resources to treatment centers in the l A 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.280 area to integrate sexual and reproductive health for patients and 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:17.080 substance use disorder treatment. Cool. So we are slacking, Yeah, 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.760 I think the thank you that made us want to 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.519 chat with you. We were having a conversation show when 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.519 the news first dropped that the Supreme Court was yeating 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.080 Roe v. Wade into the sun UM. There were a 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.280 couple of different news agencies that did like intern you know, 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.160 while talking about what options we're going to remain for people, 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.120 that would bring up crisis pregnancy centers, which are UM 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.440 shady as hell. As I'm sure we're about to talk about. 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.160 But yeah, so that's that's kind of why we brought 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.120 you into what we brought you one initially to talk about. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.920 I wonder do you want to kind of introduce folks 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.080 to what those are, because the gist of it is, 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.520 if you like Google, how do I like find out 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.480 if I'm pregnant or like you know, I'm pregnant and 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.280 I need help, There's a good chance old Google will 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.520 take you to one of these places, and they are, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.320 shall we say not what they seem to be? Yes, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:14.320 I think we can exactly say that, um and I 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.080 am just going to say it in the most direct 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.560 way I possibly could. A crisis pregnancy center is essentially 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.880 a fake medical facility that prays on vulnerable people, specifically 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.280 people who can become pregnant. So yeah, you know, we 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.680 can use the term fake medical clinic, um I for 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.760 the purpose just of using the most common term crisis 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.039 pregnancy center, I'm going to stick to using that term. Um. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:40.720 But yes, there are a lot of concerns about this, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.000 and I'm sure our friend Google will pop them up 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:48.160 for us really quick. Um. So, crisis pregnancy centers usually 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.960 have names like Women's Pregnancy center or women's health center. 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.560 Something health center UM, and it's a very misleading advertisement. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.920 So they are anti abortion facilities that manipulate people into 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:06.040 having a full term pregnancy. So these places are usually 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.880 religious oriented, They have a religious agenda and it's not 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:14.480 patient lad. So some of these larger religious based organizations 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.599 that fund these what we think are smaller tiny clinics 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:24.040 are agencies or organizations like care Net, Heartbeat International, National 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.040 Institute of Family and Life, Birthright International, and RAMA International. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.520 So a lot of times you might think you're going 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.400 to the small, little tiny clinic or maybe it's even 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.480 like a community medical mobile unit, and it turns out 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:42.640 there backed by big money and bigger agencies. So they 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:47.200 typically will implant themselves in communities of color, um, near 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:52.360 college campuses and low income neighborhoods. So what is that saying. 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.560 That's saying that this is a woman's issue, this is 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.560 a trans issue, this is an lgbt q I A issue, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.839 this is a bipoc issue, Black Indigenous people of color, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.400 and it's simply just an issue for everyone. Yeah, And 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.239 it's so one of the things that's kind of messy 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.920 about these places is that if you look at like 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.559 investigations into how they work, you'll run into a number 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.000 of stories of women who are like, hey, I actually 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.000 like always intended to go through with my pregnancy. I 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.000 just needed to like know that number one, know that 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.960 I was pregnant. I needed to test or something, and 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.880 these people advertised they would provide that for free. The 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.520 advertise that they were providing stuff like diapers, you know, 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.720 basic kind of supplies, formula for free, um. And some 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.720 of them do, most of them due to some extent, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.159 but nearly all of them have some sort of like 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.279 and this is outside of kind of the abortion aspect, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.440 access of it, have some sort of fucked up hoops 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.240 you have to jump through in order to actually get 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.840 access to any of that stuff. Absolutely, yeah, I'm really 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.960 glad that you brought up, like the diaper point. I 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.240 think that is a really essential thing because they don't 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.480 not give out stuff, right, but it's it's messier than 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.680 they want to portray it as. Yeah, yeah, totally. And 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.040 and to form of manipulation, right, And I think too, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.560 it's a form of manipulation too, to deem yourself a 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.560 full functioning medical facility where they actually don't provide those 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.960 comprehensive services and sometimes you know, they might even stay 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.600 on the outside like HIV testing, s I v M, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:24.239 STI testing, HIV testing, UM and they're simply not evidence 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.920 based practices. So what I mean by an evidence evidence 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:33.720 based practice is something like condom use. We know very 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.000 well at this day and age that condoms are essential 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.600 to prevent s t I S and HIV transmission. So 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.080 a lot of these clinics they might even say like, 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.680 condoms don't decrease your chances of s t I S, 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.120 they don't really matter. They're not really doing anything. And 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.800 that is a really big piece of information that we 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.280 need to know as the average person, because that means 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.600 we have a lot of young people going to these 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.920 clinics and having even their foundational sexual health education at 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.720 these facilities. So this is a really really important thing 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.720 to take note of. UM And I would say that 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.960 you know a lot of people even in my life, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:15.200 that have gone to crisis pregnancy centers by accident. Um 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.360 are you know, being told that they can do STI testing, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.160 HIV testing, and even birth control and then as soon 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.360 as you go there, you realize that's not what's happening. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.400 Usually it's going to be a lot of pregnancy related 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.080 services like ultrasounds and pregnancy tests, which we know if 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.880 you're an actual clinic that's those aren't the only things 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.240 that someone would need for essential health care. But I 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:42.320 would say even more like going into the manipulation and um, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:45.440 the gas lighting that they do within these facilities, which 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.760 in my eyes is medical violence. UM. They provide even 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.439 mandatory ultrasounds, make someone sit there to look at the ultrasound. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:58.360 They make fearful videos of misleading information about what abortions are, 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.240 and sometimes even have someone who is not a medical 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.760 provider showing what an abortion is in their eyes, and 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.480 the video maybe of a baby that's whose limbs are 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.960 being ripped apart um, even giving information like abortions can 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.120 lead to breast cancer, or if you have abortion, you'll 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.920 never be able to have a child, and this is 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:21.480 your one and only opportunity UM. And sometimes even going further, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.400 you know they are sneaky and what they do, because 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.400 they might even have programs that will say parent program 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.040 UM or youth sexual health program and even with that, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:39.160 they're giving religious based agendas UM, and they are telling 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.960 people misinformation about sexual health and even so might even 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:48.480 talk about UM very heterosexual sex marriage. All of the above, 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.040 So there is a very specific agenda that is going 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.280 on here. Um. And we know too that a lot 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.600 of these agencies can be really sneaky with what they're 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.000 doing because they may even deny they are a crisis 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:05.760 pregnancy center, and even further, if you go onto their website, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.600 they might not even have any language that they're religious 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:14.239 based or that they are, um, not providing comprehensive services. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.040 So there are a lot of different tactics that are 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:25.000 you know, within the manipulate manipulative strategies that they use. Yeah. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.080 One of the things I've heard a lot about is 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:33.800 like basically like not not literally physically forcing but like 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.080 terrorizing people into signing like fake legal documents saying they 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:44.120 won't get an abortion, which like really like every description 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:45.280 I've heard about that, it is just like this is 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:52.080 just terrorism. That's absolutely um. Yeah, And I find that 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.040 to be really interesting. I have never heard of that happening. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.679 But just because I haven't specifically heard of that does 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.520 not mean it's not happening. Um. And I think that 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.000 you know, there, they're not all made the same, um. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.000 They all function differently, And I think that's also what 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.520 is really confusing about them because they're not consistently all 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.480 doing the same thing. There are still other facilities that 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.880 they might do STI testing, they might do HIV testing, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.000 and so to hear that is not shocking to me. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.280 Um And the manipulative tactics that they are using for 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.920 people and yeah, I mean hip book goes out the door. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.400 You know, any legal backing goes out the door with 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.800 these facilities because they are not based on providing patient 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.360 led services in the first place. Maybe this is an ignorant, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.240 ignorant train of thought, but if they're providing all of 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.080 these like free ish services or like whatever to these 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.079 people that are desperate and um, it sounds like a 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.360 lot of them are like privately funded by these organizations, 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.360 and the shadows like what how do they benefit? Like 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:00.000 where like what is there other than like imposing religiou 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:05.360 and other people, but like like financially and like I'm confused, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:11.520 where how they're still able to function? Yes, they function 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.640 very well and without a problem. Um And as I mentioned, 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:20.400 there's you know, five larger organizations that are funding a 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:26.440 lot of these CPCs, but they are also um this 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.520 is to be noted. They are on the CDC website, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.239 they are on the CDC directory as places that provide 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.960 essential services. So I think that also goes to speak 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:46.920 to the confusion around CPCs. And I'm just gonna go 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.640 out in the limb and say I'm going to give 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.920 the CDC benefit of the doubt although they do not 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:57.920 deserve that, and say that, um, they themselves may not 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:02.840 recognize what what these agencies are doing. And so I 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:07.440 think that's where the awareness around the actual function of 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.560 the CPCs and how they even exist in the first 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.800 place needs to be shut down. And awareness needs to 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.360 be brought about these places. And and we know that 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:20.360 thirteen of them are funded by their states, so they 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.600 are getting direct government money to be able to function 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.960 and then on top of that also functioning with the 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:33.480 backing of their larger organizations. Wow, are they getting federal 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.600 funding too? Like I have some vague memories of like 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.160 Bush administration programs that we're funding. Just I mean, if 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.120 I'm not mistaken, Trump pushed a bunch of federal funds 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:50.720 towards these facilities. Yes, yeah, I wonder, Sorry, ahead, go ahead. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.079 I was just I was wondering, like I wonder if 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:59.000 there's a um like one or two things you need 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.440 to qualify as like a what's what how did you 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.720 put it on the website? CDC uh um like they 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.000 offer like services, like maybe it's like, oh, this place 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.560 has an ultrasound. These are like this is why this 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:11.839 is on, you know what I mean? Like, I wonder 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.240 if they just like pick and choose the bare minimum 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.880 of things to like qualify to be UM considered among 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.800 like people that offer like full fledged care. But I 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.920 don't know what it's all scam, I don't Yeah, And 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.800 I mean I think that also is just a really UM. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.640 I like that you bring that up, because I think 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:35.160 that would be a really ignorant perspective from the CDC 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.240 to think that a place that gives a pregnancy test 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:45.840 or an ultrasound right away is not necessarily your average 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:53.160 healthcare setting. UM. When someone is going into an appointment, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.720 typically you know they're not getting an ultrasound right away. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.000 Typically you're average person whom I think they're pregnant is 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.080 going into a medical facility, is going to do a 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.080 pregnancy test. Sure, but they're not just gonna immediately the 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.040 first twenty minutes you're there do an ultrasound. UM. And 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.120 especially knowing our healthcare system and the United States. You 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.560 know that might require referrals and another facility to get 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.600 that done, and you know that depends on what your 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.160 insurances and what you can pay for and etcetera, etcetera. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.440 But I think it's a really big red flag to 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:34.359 just have a facility that has pregnancy tests and ultrasounds. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.560 That to me is, you know, if I see on 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.080 a website that those are the only two services that 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:45.600 healthcare clinic is claiming to provide, I'm running away and 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.800 I'm not going there because that's very odd. Well, it's 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.600 it's very manipulative, because it's it's one of those things. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.720 One of the ways in which you can tell is 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.880 something healthcare related shady as fuck is does it take 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.400 advantage of the fact that very basic things that you 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:06.400 need are extremely expensive um, And like ultrasounds, pregnancy tests, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.440 this can all be like STD tests, you know, can 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.880 all be really really pricey um. And it's just so 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.400 like it's fucked up that this is kind of how 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.160 they're funneling religious dollars towards taking advantage of the fact 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.080 that a lot of people, like legitimately some people who 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.640 use these facilities. I don't know what else to tell them. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.520 Because it's like, well, we don't provide people with a 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.520 lot of options in this country everywhere, you know, for 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:44.840 for some of these services. Yeah, totally. And I do 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:49.160 want to go into some of the people doing work 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.880 and I want to really highlight what they're doing. UM. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.520 So I want to give the utmost credit to two people, 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.800 UM who I do not know personally but would definitely 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:07.760 love to UM Dr Andreas Warton Rubber and Dr Danielle Lambert. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.639 They're both associate professors at the School of Public Health 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.919 at University of Georgia and they're both co founders of 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.320 the CPC Maps, which originated in two thousand and eighteen. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.439 So yes, there's a brilliant map where you can search 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.159 these CPCs that are close to you. UM. And in 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.800 my eyes, this map is truly a piece of gold 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.280 because I myself have found ones that are in my 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.280 area UM and was very beneficial when I was working 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.920 with clients myself directly and would refer people to different services. 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.640 So this is a really great tool for healthcare professionals 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.400 and social service workers, et cetera to refer to UM. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.280 And I can't even explain how grateful I am to 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.600 know that there's ongoing research about the distraught impact of 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.399 these clinics and the distraught impact they have on our 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.280 health care system and the ability to find an abortion provider. UM. 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.480 So again I hope that every service provider can find 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:07.080 these this map, UM and use this map and really 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.960 spread awareness around this. So. UM, what I want to 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.960 highlight and what these two doctors have found is that 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.600 just to give some more context, every single state has 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:28.280 multiple CPCs, multiple not just one, not to multiple there 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:35.359 are CPCs and throughout the United States, and that is 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.800 obviously a much larger number than the health departments in 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.359 the United States. And you know, as I mentioned, we 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:47.399 know the CDC directory utilizes CPCs on their website and 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:53.880 again thirteen states are funded or are funding CPCs UM. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.119 So their advertisements are going far and wide. UM. And 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.760 to even go further, in the state of California, the 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.200 California Woman's Law Center says that there are more CPCs 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:12.120 then there are abortion clinics. So I think in this time, yeah, yeah, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.800 we should be scared. That is really that's a really 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:22.000 concerning statistic, and especially looking at how we are going 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.679 to be and already are a haven state, we are 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.399 going to be a haven state for all the states 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.680 around US and for people throughout the United States. So 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.439 what is that saying when we are a haven state, 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.360 yet we are still competing with our local anti abortion 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.439 strategies ourselves, we are still putting up a fight as 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.080 a haven state, and I think that is so concerning. UM. 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.399 And even further, just to give some more statistics, we 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:55.879 know that of the clinics that CPCs that did not 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.639 offer SCI testing also will not refer out. We know 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:06.200 that eight offer HIV testing and that did not offer 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.919 HIV testing also did not refer out. So just to 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.240 summarize those numbers for you, what that data is telling 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.040 me is that these clinics are not accounting for the 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.000 health of the pregnant person, nor are the accounting for 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.200 the health of the fetus if that pregnancy goes full term. 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.720 And yeah, I mean I have even you know, more 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.080 stats as you know your reproductive health nerd um of 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.520 one of my favorite research institutes called the gut Mocker Institute, 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.560 and they are phenomenal and have really great data UM. 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.480 And if you haven't checked out their website, you definitely should. UM. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.680 But since we're on the bandwagon of talking about religious 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:48.600 based affiliations. We know that seventeen percent of abortion patients 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:58.080 are oh sorry, um okay um. Seventeen percent of abortion 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:04.840 patients identify five themselves as mainline Protestant, as Evangelical Protestant, 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:09.480 and percent is Catholic. Thirty eight percent have no religious affiliation, 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.720 and the remaining eight percent reported a different religious affiliation. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:18.119 So let's summarize that religiously affiliated people are still seeking 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.040 abortions too. Would you look at that ignorance is so bliss. 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.960 We know that abortions are affecting people who are living 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:29.800 in poverty and who are low income. So we know 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.359 of people that are seeking abortions are either living in 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:40.000 poverty or our low income UM. And fortunately you know, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.520 throughout the past, we know that Medicaid has been a 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:47.919 really big funder of abortion care UM, and especially we 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:54.120 can say that in California too, UM, that about of 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:59.520 abortion patients are using Medicaid, and that's throughout fifteen different states. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.000 So I imagine in this time right now too, that 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.840 number is probably going to decrease. UM. So again talking 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.720 about haven state that has these resources, we are probably 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:16.639 going to be mixing up how that looks UM and 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.480 knowing that fifty three percent of abortion patients pay out 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:25.440 of pocket for their procedures is already a very concerning statistic. 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.440 And so we are seeing how in our time right now, 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.919 we have to be looking at different resources for people. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.679 We have to put on our activist hats, we have 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:40.240 to be supporting our community, and we have to be 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.760 supporting abortion funds because already fifty three percent of abortions 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:48.240 are paid out of pocket. Um. And just to to 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:52.080 summarize one more point eight percent of people who are 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.200 using abortion services are going to be using those within 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.520 the first twelve weeks. So um, we are eating to 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:06.600 see a lot of activism around abortion pill distribution and 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:11.679 abortion pill education and what that looks like. No, the 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.640 to like piggyback off of what Robert was mentioning earlier 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.080 about how it just feels like they're taking advantage of 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.520 the fact that, like things cost so much money. And 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.440 I feel like, if you this work is so important 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:26.520 because I don't think a lot of people know what 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.320 they're getting into. If they're like, because we don't have 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.840 a great education system in general, let alone about like 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:34.520 reproductive health or like what happens when you get pregnant. 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.199 So if you're a young person or any age and 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.840 you are desperate or you're feeling shame and you don't 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.520 have support from your community or something, and you see 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:46.280 an institution that's like free ultrasound or like whatever, it's 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:50.760 like they're praying on this desperation. And I think one 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:52.480 of the only things you can do to combat that 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:54.600 is like trying to educate people as much as possible 0:23:55.080 --> 0:24:00.800 that like, I don't know, people are as um they 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:02.720 don't have the good will and good faith that they 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.919 present to be to have and I guess it just 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.560 like ultimately you have to be distrusting of people. And 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:13.080 maybe that's sad, but it's the truth. Yeah, definitely, And 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.160 I will say I feel like I saw that as 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.560 a service provider. Um So, as I mentioned, I worked 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:23.760 in homeless services, specifically with youth homeless services, and you 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:28.040 see that so much. You see how there is, you know, 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:32.720 medical oppression for people of color. There is medical manipulation 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:38.480 and violence for so many people in vulnerable situations. And 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:46.639 as someone that has accompanied many people to abortions and births, 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.720 I have observed that myself and I have seen how 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.600 so more people than not are going to experience some 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.080 type of medical manipulation, and especially if you are living 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.200 in poverty ESPEC. Actually if you're a person of color, 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:05.919 especially if you're lgbt q i A. This this issue 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.359 does not just stop, you know, with CPCs. If we 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.880 take out all the CPCs, we also have to address 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:16.359 so much of the institutional institutionalized racism and all the 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.680 things that exist around reproductive health UM, you know, starting 0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:24.640 at how to get contraceptives too, when can you have 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.400 children and how can you be a parent, and that 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:31.480