1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, the podcast has started. Oh let's start. This 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: is this addict that happened here? This is it could 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: happen here. That's right, and you're Robert Evans. We also 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: have Shrine, Lanny Unis and Christopher Wong with us. Christopher, Hi, Yeah, 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: I guess I'm sort of running this show today, even 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: to Robert has You're right done? The intro question mark? Um, 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: always with a question mark. That's how the pros do it. 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: Can you can tell professionals? Yeah? But speak speaking of professionals, 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: we have we have Karina Domingus with us, who is 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: in fact actually a professional and has spent eight years 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: working in reproductive health issues of Karina. Welcome to the show, 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us. Thank you, thank you 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: for having me. It's lovely to have you on, Karina. 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: What's uh, what's going on? How are thanks? Things? Things 15 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: are okay? I think I can say that doesn't seem true, Yeah, 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: but they're okay. Um, yeah, okay. I pulled out of 17 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: a crash truck once and as I was trying to 18 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: like staunch the bleeding from a cut in his hand, 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: I asked how he was and he said, okay, So 20 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's that kind of Okay, you nailed it. Yeah, Karina, 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: do you wanna tell us a little bit about your 22 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: background and the work that you do and you know 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: why why why? We We just really wanted to have 24 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: you on the show. Yeah, I would love too. So again, 25 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: my name is Karna Dominguez. I am from Chicago born 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: and raised. UM. I've worked in reproductive health for about 27 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: eight years, but really what I consider about fifteen years 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: or so. UM. I have experience in working in the 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: community and different capacities. UM. I love reproductive health. I'd 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: consider myself a reproductive health nerd UM. And it all 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: started when I was a teenager growing up in Chicago, 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: where just in the city life, you see a lot 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: of things that don't really sit well with you. UM. 34 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: I knew a lot of young girls who were getting 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: pregnant at young ages, experiencing trauma and specifically sexual trauma 36 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: UM and not knowing who to go to or where 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: to go. So these were mostly young girls of color 38 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: who I cared for a lot. And I immediately knew 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: that I wanted to do more activism and that I 40 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: needed to do more activism. And the way my activism 41 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: looks is through my education. So today I have a 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: master's in Public Health UM and I also have a 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: bachelor's in public health, and with that education, I've been 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: able to provide sexual and reproductive health counseling. I practiced 45 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: as a full spectrum dou LA where I have provided 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: abortion care for people and also UM provided birthing care 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: for people as well. I led a pregnant parenting program 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: at a nonprofit for youth experiencing homelessness, and right now 49 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: I currently manage a sexual and Reproductive health grant where 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: we provide resources to treatment centers in the l A 51 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: area to integrate sexual and reproductive health for patients and 52 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: substance use disorder treatment. Cool. So we are slacking, Yeah, 53 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: I think the thank you that made us want to 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: chat with you. We were having a conversation show when 55 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: the news first dropped that the Supreme Court was yeating 56 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade into the sun UM. There were a 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: couple of different news agencies that did like intern you know, 58 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: while talking about what options we're going to remain for people, 59 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: that would bring up crisis pregnancy centers, which are UM 60 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: shady as hell. As I'm sure we're about to talk about. 61 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's that's kind of why we brought 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: you into what we brought you one initially to talk about. 63 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: I wonder do you want to kind of introduce folks 64 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: to what those are, because the gist of it is, 65 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: if you like Google, how do I like find out 66 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: if I'm pregnant or like you know, I'm pregnant and 67 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I need help, There's a good chance old Google will 68 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: take you to one of these places, and they are, 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: shall we say not what they seem to be? Yes, 70 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: I think we can exactly say that, um and I 71 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: am just going to say it in the most direct 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: way I possibly could. A crisis pregnancy center is essentially 73 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: a fake medical facility that prays on vulnerable people, specifically 74 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: people who can become pregnant. So yeah, you know, we 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: can use the term fake medical clinic, um I for 76 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: the purpose just of using the most common term crisis 77 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: pregnancy center, I'm going to stick to using that term. Um. 78 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: But yes, there are a lot of concerns about this, 79 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure our friend Google will pop them up 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: for us really quick. Um. So, crisis pregnancy centers usually 81 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: have names like Women's Pregnancy center or women's health center. 82 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: Something health center UM, and it's a very misleading advertisement. 83 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: So they are anti abortion facilities that manipulate people into 84 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: having a full term pregnancy. So these places are usually 85 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: religious oriented, They have a religious agenda and it's not 86 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: patient lad. So some of these larger religious based organizations 87 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: that fund these what we think are smaller tiny clinics 88 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: are agencies or organizations like care Net, Heartbeat International, National 89 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: Institute of Family and Life, Birthright International, and RAMA International. 90 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of times you might think you're going 91 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: to the small, little tiny clinic or maybe it's even 92 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: like a community medical mobile unit, and it turns out 93 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: there backed by big money and bigger agencies. So they 94 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: typically will implant themselves in communities of color, um, near 95 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: college campuses and low income neighborhoods. So what is that saying. 96 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: That's saying that this is a woman's issue, this is 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: a trans issue, this is an lgbt q I A issue, 98 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: this is a bipoc issue, Black Indigenous people of color, 99 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: and it's simply just an issue for everyone. Yeah, And 100 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: it's so one of the things that's kind of messy 101 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: about these places is that if you look at like 102 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 1: investigations into how they work, you'll run into a number 103 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: of stories of women who are like, hey, I actually 104 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: like always intended to go through with my pregnancy. I 105 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: just needed to like know that number one, know that 106 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: I was pregnant. I needed to test or something, and 107 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: these people advertised they would provide that for free. The 108 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: advertise that they were providing stuff like diapers, you know, 109 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: basic kind of supplies, formula for free, um. And some 110 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: of them do, most of them due to some extent, 111 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: but nearly all of them have some sort of like 112 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: and this is outside of kind of the abortion aspect, 113 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: access of it, have some sort of fucked up hoops 114 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: you have to jump through in order to actually get 115 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: access to any of that stuff. Absolutely, yeah, I'm really 116 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: glad that you brought up, like the diaper point. I 117 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: think that is a really essential thing because they don't 118 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: not give out stuff, right, but it's it's messier than 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: they want to portray it as. Yeah, yeah, totally. And 120 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: and to form of manipulation, right, And I think too, 121 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: it's a form of manipulation too, to deem yourself a 122 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: full functioning medical facility where they actually don't provide those 123 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: comprehensive services and sometimes you know, they might even stay 124 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: on the outside like HIV testing, s I v M, 125 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 1: STI testing, HIV testing, UM and they're simply not evidence 126 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: based practices. So what I mean by an evidence evidence 127 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: based practice is something like condom use. We know very 128 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: well at this day and age that condoms are essential 129 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: to prevent s t I S and HIV transmission. So 130 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these clinics they might even say like, 131 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: condoms don't decrease your chances of s t I S, 132 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: they don't really matter. They're not really doing anything. And 133 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: that is a really big piece of information that we 134 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: need to know as the average person, because that means 135 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: we have a lot of young people going to these 136 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: clinics and having even their foundational sexual health education at 137 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: these facilities. So this is a really really important thing 138 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: to take note of. UM And I would say that 139 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people even in my life, 140 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: that have gone to crisis pregnancy centers by accident. Um 141 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: are you know, being told that they can do STI testing, 142 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: HIV testing, and even birth control and then as soon 143 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: as you go there, you realize that's not what's happening. 144 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: Usually it's going to be a lot of pregnancy related 145 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: services like ultrasounds and pregnancy tests, which we know if 146 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: you're an actual clinic that's those aren't the only things 147 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: that someone would need for essential health care. But I 148 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: would say even more like going into the manipulation and um, 149 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: the gas lighting that they do within these facilities, which 150 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: in my eyes is medical violence. UM. They provide even 151 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: mandatory ultrasounds, make someone sit there to look at the ultrasound. 152 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: They make fearful videos of misleading information about what abortions are, 153 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes even have someone who is not a medical 154 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: provider showing what an abortion is in their eyes, and 155 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: the video maybe of a baby that's whose limbs are 156 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: being ripped apart um, even giving information like abortions can 157 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: lead to breast cancer, or if you have abortion, you'll 158 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: never be able to have a child, and this is 159 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: your one and only opportunity UM. And sometimes even going further, 160 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: you know they are sneaky and what they do, because 161 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: they might even have programs that will say parent program 162 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: UM or youth sexual health program and even with that, 163 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: they're giving religious based agendas UM, and they are telling 164 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: people misinformation about sexual health and even so might even 165 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: talk about UM very heterosexual sex marriage. All of the above, 166 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: So there is a very specific agenda that is going 167 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: on here. Um. And we know too that a lot 168 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: of these agencies can be really sneaky with what they're 169 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: doing because they may even deny they are a crisis 170 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: pregnancy center, and even further, if you go onto their website, 171 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: they might not even have any language that they're religious 172 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,239 Speaker 1: based or that they are, um, not providing comprehensive services. 173 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of different tactics that are 174 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, within the manipulate manipulative strategies that they use. Yeah. 175 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: One of the things I've heard a lot about is 176 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: like basically like not not literally physically forcing but like 177 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: terrorizing people into signing like fake legal documents saying they 178 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: won't get an abortion, which like really like every description 179 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: I've heard about that, it is just like this is 180 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: just terrorism. That's absolutely um. Yeah, And I find that 181 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: to be really interesting. I have never heard of that happening. 182 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: But just because I haven't specifically heard of that does 183 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: not mean it's not happening. Um. And I think that 184 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, there, they're not all made the same, um. 185 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: They all function differently, And I think that's also what 186 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: is really confusing about them because they're not consistently all 187 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. There are still other facilities that 188 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: they might do STI testing, they might do HIV testing, 189 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: and so to hear that is not shocking to me. 190 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: Um And the manipulative tactics that they are using for 191 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: people and yeah, I mean hip book goes out the door. 192 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: You know, any legal backing goes out the door with 193 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: these facilities because they are not based on providing patient 194 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: led services in the first place. Maybe this is an ignorant, 195 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: ignorant train of thought, but if they're providing all of 196 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: these like free ish services or like whatever to these 197 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: people that are desperate and um, it sounds like a 198 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: lot of them are like privately funded by these organizations, 199 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: and the shadows like what how do they benefit? Like 200 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: where like what is there other than like imposing religiou 201 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: and other people, but like like financially and like I'm confused, 202 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: where how they're still able to function? Yes, they function 203 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: very well and without a problem. Um And as I mentioned, 204 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: there's you know, five larger organizations that are funding a 205 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: lot of these CPCs, but they are also um this 206 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: is to be noted. They are on the CDC website, 207 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,239 Speaker 1: they are on the CDC directory as places that provide 208 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: essential services. So I think that also goes to speak 209 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: to the confusion around CPCs. And I'm just gonna go 210 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: out in the limb and say I'm going to give 211 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: the CDC benefit of the doubt although they do not 212 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: deserve that, and say that, um, they themselves may not 213 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: recognize what what these agencies are doing. And so I 214 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: think that's where the awareness around the actual function of 215 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: the CPCs and how they even exist in the first 216 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: place needs to be shut down. And awareness needs to 217 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: be brought about these places. And and we know that 218 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: thirteen of them are funded by their states, so they 219 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: are getting direct government money to be able to function 220 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: and then on top of that also functioning with the 221 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: backing of their larger organizations. Wow, are they getting federal 222 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: funding too? Like I have some vague memories of like 223 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: Bush administration programs that we're funding. Just I mean, if 224 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, Trump pushed a bunch of federal funds 225 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: towards these facilities. Yes, yeah, I wonder, Sorry, ahead, go ahead. 226 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: I was just I was wondering, like I wonder if 227 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: there's a um like one or two things you need 228 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: to qualify as like a what's what how did you 229 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: put it on the website? CDC uh um like they 230 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: offer like services, like maybe it's like, oh, this place 231 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: has an ultrasound. These are like this is why this 232 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: is on, you know what I mean? Like, I wonder 233 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: if they just like pick and choose the bare minimum 234 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: of things to like qualify to be UM considered among 235 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: like people that offer like full fledged care. But I 236 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: don't know what it's all scam, I don't Yeah, And 237 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: I mean I think that also is just a really UM. 238 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: I like that you bring that up, because I think 239 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: that would be a really ignorant perspective from the CDC 240 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: to think that a place that gives a pregnancy test 241 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: or an ultrasound right away is not necessarily your average 242 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: healthcare setting. UM. When someone is going into an appointment, 243 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: typically you know they're not getting an ultrasound right away. 244 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: Typically you're average person whom I think they're pregnant is 245 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: going into a medical facility, is going to do a 246 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: pregnancy test. Sure, but they're not just gonna immediately the 247 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: first twenty minutes you're there do an ultrasound. UM. And 248 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: especially knowing our healthcare system and the United States. You 249 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: know that might require referrals and another facility to get 250 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: that done, and you know that depends on what your 251 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: insurances and what you can pay for and etcetera, etcetera. 252 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: But I think it's a really big red flag to 253 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,359 Speaker 1: just have a facility that has pregnancy tests and ultrasounds. 254 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: That to me is, you know, if I see on 255 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: a website that those are the only two services that 256 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: healthcare clinic is claiming to provide, I'm running away and 257 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going there because that's very odd. Well, it's 258 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: it's very manipulative, because it's it's one of those things. 259 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: One of the ways in which you can tell is 260 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: something healthcare related shady as fuck is does it take 261 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: advantage of the fact that very basic things that you 262 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: need are extremely expensive um, And like ultrasounds, pregnancy tests, 263 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: this can all be like STD tests, you know, can 264 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: all be really really pricey um. And it's just so 265 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: like it's fucked up that this is kind of how 266 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: they're funneling religious dollars towards taking advantage of the fact 267 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: that a lot of people, like legitimately some people who 268 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: use these facilities. I don't know what else to tell them. 269 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: Because it's like, well, we don't provide people with a 270 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: lot of options in this country everywhere, you know, for 271 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: for some of these services. Yeah, totally. And I do 272 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: want to go into some of the people doing work 273 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: and I want to really highlight what they're doing. UM. 274 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: So I want to give the utmost credit to two people, 275 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: UM who I do not know personally but would definitely 276 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: love to UM Dr Andreas Warton Rubber and Dr Danielle Lambert. 277 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: They're both associate professors at the School of Public Health 278 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: at University of Georgia and they're both co founders of 279 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: the CPC Maps, which originated in two thousand and eighteen. 280 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: So yes, there's a brilliant map where you can search 281 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: these CPCs that are close to you. UM. And in 282 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: my eyes, this map is truly a piece of gold 283 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: because I myself have found ones that are in my 284 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: area UM and was very beneficial when I was working 285 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: with clients myself directly and would refer people to different services. 286 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: So this is a really great tool for healthcare professionals 287 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: and social service workers, et cetera to refer to UM. 288 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: And I can't even explain how grateful I am to 289 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: know that there's ongoing research about the distraught impact of 290 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: these clinics and the distraught impact they have on our 291 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: health care system and the ability to find an abortion provider. UM. 292 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: So again I hope that every service provider can find 293 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: these this map, UM and use this map and really 294 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: spread awareness around this. So. UM, what I want to 295 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: highlight and what these two doctors have found is that 296 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: just to give some more context, every single state has 297 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: multiple CPCs, multiple not just one, not to multiple there 298 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: are CPCs and throughout the United States, and that is 299 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: obviously a much larger number than the health departments in 300 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: the United States. And you know, as I mentioned, we 301 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: know the CDC directory utilizes CPCs on their website and 302 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: again thirteen states are funded or are funding CPCs UM. 303 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: So their advertisements are going far and wide. UM. And 304 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: to even go further, in the state of California, the 305 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: California Woman's Law Center says that there are more CPCs 306 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: then there are abortion clinics. So I think in this time, yeah, yeah, 307 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: we should be scared. That is really that's a really 308 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: concerning statistic, and especially looking at how we are going 309 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: to be and already are a haven state, we are 310 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: going to be a haven state for all the states 311 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: around US and for people throughout the United States. So 312 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: what is that saying when we are a haven state, 313 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: yet we are still competing with our local anti abortion 314 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: strategies ourselves, we are still putting up a fight as 315 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: a haven state, and I think that is so concerning. UM. 316 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: And even further, just to give some more statistics, we 317 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: know that of the clinics that CPCs that did not 318 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: offer SCI testing also will not refer out. We know 319 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: that eight offer HIV testing and that did not offer 320 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: HIV testing also did not refer out. So just to 321 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: summarize those numbers for you, what that data is telling 322 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: me is that these clinics are not accounting for the 323 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: health of the pregnant person, nor are the accounting for 324 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: the health of the fetus if that pregnancy goes full term. 325 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I have even you know, more 326 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: stats as you know your reproductive health nerd um of 327 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: one of my favorite research institutes called the gut Mocker Institute, 328 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: and they are phenomenal and have really great data UM. 329 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: And if you haven't checked out their website, you definitely should. UM. 330 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: But since we're on the bandwagon of talking about religious 331 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: based affiliations. We know that seventeen percent of abortion patients 332 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: are oh sorry, um okay um. Seventeen percent of abortion 333 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: patients identify five themselves as mainline Protestant, as Evangelical Protestant, 334 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: and percent is Catholic. Thirty eight percent have no religious affiliation, 335 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: and the remaining eight percent reported a different religious affiliation. 336 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: So let's summarize that religiously affiliated people are still seeking 337 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: abortions too. Would you look at that ignorance is so bliss. 338 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: We know that abortions are affecting people who are living 339 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: in poverty and who are low income. So we know 340 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: of people that are seeking abortions are either living in 341 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: poverty or our low income UM. And fortunately you know, 342 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: throughout the past, we know that Medicaid has been a 343 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: really big funder of abortion care UM, and especially we 344 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: can say that in California too, UM, that about of 345 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: abortion patients are using Medicaid, and that's throughout fifteen different states. 346 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: So I imagine in this time right now too, that 347 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: number is probably going to decrease. UM. So again talking 348 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: about haven state that has these resources, we are probably 349 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: going to be mixing up how that looks UM and 350 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: knowing that fifty three percent of abortion patients pay out 351 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: of pocket for their procedures is already a very concerning statistic. 352 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: And so we are seeing how in our time right now, 353 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: we have to be looking at different resources for people. 354 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: We have to put on our activist hats, we have 355 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: to be supporting our community, and we have to be 356 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: supporting abortion funds because already fifty three percent of abortions 357 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: are paid out of pocket. Um. And just to to 358 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: summarize one more point eight percent of people who are 359 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: using abortion services are going to be using those within 360 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: the first twelve weeks. So um, we are eating to 361 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: see a lot of activism around abortion pill distribution and 362 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: abortion pill education and what that looks like. No, the 363 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: to like piggyback off of what Robert was mentioning earlier 364 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: about how it just feels like they're taking advantage of 365 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: the fact that, like things cost so much money. And 366 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: I feel like, if you this work is so important 367 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: because I don't think a lot of people know what 368 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: they're getting into. If they're like, because we don't have 369 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: a great education system in general, let alone about like 370 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: reproductive health or like what happens when you get pregnant. 371 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: So if you're a young person or any age and 372 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: you are desperate or you're feeling shame and you don't 373 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: have support from your community or something, and you see 374 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: an institution that's like free ultrasound or like whatever, it's 375 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: like they're praying on this desperation. And I think one 376 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: of the only things you can do to combat that 377 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: is like trying to educate people as much as possible 378 00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: that like, I don't know, people are as um they 379 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: don't have the good will and good faith that they 380 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: present to be to have and I guess it just 381 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: like ultimately you have to be distrusting of people. And 382 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: maybe that's sad, but it's the truth. Yeah, definitely, And 383 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: I will say I feel like I saw that as 384 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: a service provider. Um So, as I mentioned, I worked 385 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: in homeless services, specifically with youth homeless services, and you 386 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: see that so much. You see how there is, you know, 387 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: medical oppression for people of color. There is medical manipulation 388 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: and violence for so many people in vulnerable situations. And 389 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: as someone that has accompanied many people to abortions and births, 390 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: I have observed that myself and I have seen how 391 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: so more people than not are going to experience some 392 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: type of medical manipulation, and especially if you are living 393 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: in poverty ESPEC. Actually if you're a person of color, 394 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: especially if you're lgbt q i A. This this issue 395 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: does not just stop, you know, with CPCs. If we 396 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: take out all the CPCs, we also have to address 397 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: so much of the institutional institutionalized racism and all the 398 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: things that exist around reproductive health UM, you know, starting 399 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: at how to get contraceptives too, when can you have 400 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: children and how can you be a parent, and that 401 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: never ends throughout the cycle, you know, and that parents 402 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: even after they have babies, even if they are a 403 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: person of color, even if they are lgbt q A, 404 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, they are still told how, when, where they're 405 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: going to parent UM. And there's so much control over 406 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: that rhetoric for people. So you know, I mean that 407 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: even goes back to me thinking about the sterilization trials 408 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: that happened against USC in the seventies and how women 409 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: were forcibly sterilized, and you know that has nothing to 410 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: do with CPCs. But instead we're seeing that institutions are 411 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: finding this control and having these agendas, and it is 412 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: not serving our society. It is not serving our health 413 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: and instead it is creating more trauma in our communities 414 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: and it's it's crisis. Pregnancy centers are just one of 415 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: many layers of medical oppression that we are witnessing in 416 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: today's world. As a person who was working in homeless services, 417 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: I was program planning for a lot of the resources 418 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: that we were able to provide access to for my clients. 419 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: So all of my clients at that time when I 420 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: was running the Pregnant Parenting program at a nonprofit, they 421 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: were either pregnant and or parenting while also experiencing their 422 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: housing and security these UM, so I strived to find 423 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: what the proper resources were for them to support them 424 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 1: in every trauma informed way I possibly could, and that 425 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: were youth friendly. So there was a local agency that 426 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: was very very close to where I worked UM and 427 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: their services always kind of felt like limited to me, 428 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: So I met with them specifically to enquire because they 429 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: were always trying to find some type of partnership with 430 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: us and would knock on our door or call me. 431 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: So I finally was able to give them some of 432 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: my time UM and so their services always felt limited 433 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: and non comprehensive, and I think that is the biggest 434 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: kind of like takeaway. UM. They always gave me really 435 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: weird reasoning why they didn't provide birth control or STI testing, 436 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: and based on their answer, as I mentioned, I just 437 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: did not allow the partnership to thrive. So when I 438 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: did more research, I actually confirmed from another service provider 439 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: that there from another agency that they were indeed a 440 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: CPC before I could spread the word. They also already 441 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: had several partnerships with other homeless service providers, so they 442 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: wiggled their way in UM. And these other homeless service 443 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: providers were also working with young vulnerable clients. So one 444 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: day I was actually invited by another agency to come 445 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: to this presentation where I didn't realize happened to be 446 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: the CPC. UM. The CPC was presenting at this organization 447 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: and it was one of their outreach workers explaining what 448 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: their services were. So I took it upon myself to 449 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: make sure that I sat in that meeting and I 450 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: asked questions in the room with the other service providers. 451 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: I think they're about thirty other service providers that were present, 452 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and I asked out loud, why doesn't your clinic provide 453 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: birth control? And the woman from the CPC, who was 454 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: the outreach worker said, we can't give paps mirrors, so 455 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: we're unable to provide birth control. If you know anything 456 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: side note if you know, yeah, I already see the questioning, 457 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: which I'm glad I received that reaction, because that is 458 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: the exact reaction audience, those of us with you, Uh, 459 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: all of our heads tilted and our eyes squinting. Uh, exactly, 460 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: please explain how that math doesn't work? Yeah, exactly. Side 461 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: note for all the listeners, if you know anything about 462 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: health care, you know that a paper is not associated 463 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: with being able to be prescribed birth control. So as 464 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: someone that has background in healthcare, has a master's in 465 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: public health, worked as a Duelah. I continue to push 466 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: back during the presentation, and it was very very clear 467 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: that I was onto something. Um. So this woman again, 468 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: she would always try to come around, give me pamphlets, 469 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: try to have us partner and say she really want 470 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: to work with us in our youth. Um. She stopped 471 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: after that presentation. I can tell you that. But anyway, 472 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: so I keep going. I reach out to a the 473 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: person who organized that presentation for the CPC outreach person 474 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: to attend and speak at. So I was like, I 475 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: need to get to the bottom of this, and I 476 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: need to spread this word UM and tell people, hey, 477 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: you're getting people from CPCs to come and speak to 478 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: you to advertise your services. UM. So I see SEED 479 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the other service providers, and I expressed 480 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: my genuine concerns the lack of evidence based comprehensive care 481 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: they provided. But unfortunately, the person who I emailed said, 482 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: clients need to make sure those decisions are their own, 483 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: so they can decide if they want to go or 484 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: if they don't want to go. We can't force them 485 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: to say yes or no to go to a health 486 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: care fassity. So I responded by asking, but what if 487 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: you thought you were seeing a doctor for your health 488 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: care needs and then it turns out the health care 489 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: provider is providing misinformation and might not even be a 490 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: healthcare provider. UM. I never got a response from them, 491 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: but I still continue to make sure that I was 492 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: reaching out to everyone at that meeting and just raising 493 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: awareness behind it. UM. And then I wanted to take 494 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: it to UM. I wanted to take it a notch up. 495 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: So I called both of this. Both of the locations 496 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: of the CPC one is located in Westwood side note, 497 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: next to u C. L A. The other one was 498 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: in South l A side note, community of Color. Both 499 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: of my calls led me to the person on the 500 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: phone telling me that they don't know where to send 501 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: me for an abortion and that they didn't know what 502 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: what Planned Parenthood was, what they did, or where they 503 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: relocated when I specifically asked. So they were obviously circumventing 504 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: the ability to even talk about abortions and what it 505 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: was um and that was all the concern that I 506 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: genuinely needed. So in my present day, I'm still concerned 507 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: with these clinics, this specific clinic that is local to me. 508 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: I recently found out that in my present day work, 509 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: there are currently three treatment centers that are using this 510 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: crisis pregnancy center as a resource. So hopefully that means 511 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: more to come, because I will be working on this 512 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: and in this scenario, what I am doing as an 513 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: activist and as a person who cares for my community 514 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: is I will be educating these treatment centers about what 515 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: crisis pregnancy centers are and how they can avoid them 516 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: and what comprehensive services actually look like. Have there been 517 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: more sort of widespread like organizations who are working too 518 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: like a let people know what they are and then 519 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: be also trying to get them like not to be funded. Absolutely, 520 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: there are and we need to shout them out. UM. 521 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: There are. There is an abortion fund UM in Cali, 522 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: Fornia called Access. They are wonderful UM. They provide abortion 523 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: advocacy and awareness and education and they also provide direct 524 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: services UM and fund different They have fund abortions in 525 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: different capacities, so they might be funding the abortion services, 526 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: the lodging, the transportation, and even a doula. And they 527 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: partner with a lot of other agencies that are doing 528 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: the work. The agency is called Reproductive Transparency Now and 529 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: they are a Chicago based nonprofit. They provide a lot 530 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: of information, data, awareness research UM to raise awareness around 531 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: what CPCs are and why we should be avoiding them. 532 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: And I think I can say that I have the 533 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: same goal as them in my personal life, but to 534 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: ensure that they do not exist and are all shut down. UM. 535 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: So they are wonderful. I would highly suggest looking into 536 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: Reproductive Transparency Now and also Active Sorry Access Reproductive Justice 537 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: UM who are doing a lot of really great work. 538 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: And then I also do want to squeeze in other 539 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: resources for people as well. Yeah. UM, And you know, 540 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: as I mentioned first and foremost, I think the number 541 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: one thing we need to know is that crisis pregnancy 542 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: centers should not exist in any capacity. UM. But if 543 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: you are a person who's providing resources, who is working 544 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: with clients, who works in healthcare treatment centers, wouldever it 545 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: be please utilize Crisis Pregnancy Center map dot com. Again, 546 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: this is the UM, the website that was created by 547 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: two associate professors at University of Georgia, and I want 548 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: to make sure that this spreads far and wide, UM, 549 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: because is it will be the matter of providing referrals 550 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: and circumventing CPCs UM. And I want to acknowledge that 551 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot of my data from this, from the information 552 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: that I've been speaking on, is from the Crisis Pregnancy 553 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: Center Map dot com UM, and from Reproductive Transparency as well. UM. 554 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: So first and foremost that map is a necessity. UM. 555 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: Another resource that I would like to share to be 556 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: able to find your state's abortion fund is abortion Funds 557 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: dot org and you can search state by state, so 558 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, I'm in California, so that's going to be access. Again, 559 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: an organization that is an abortion fund, but they do 560 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: more than than fund abortions. UM. I also really encourage 561 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: people to find their local evidence based du lahs, midwives, 562 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: women health practitioners near them. And I know that there's 563 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of fear existing right now due to the 564 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: inappropriate politicians that are making disgusting decisions, but know that 565 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: abortion pills can be access and there are people that 566 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: can help guide you through UM. So I would say 567 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: making sure that we are accessing the resources on a 568 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: website called plan c pill dot com. It's a great 569 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: resource where you can find where to purchase abortion pills 570 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: and where to seek medical and legal support as well. 571 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: So if you have a question about how to take 572 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: medical abortion pills, or you need to understand the legality 573 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: of your state and the area near you, you can 574 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: you can look on this website UM as a resource. UM. 575 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: I just also want to emphasize like what community care 576 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: looks like right now. UM. If you're a person who 577 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: can get pregnant, this is truly a time to seek 578 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: preventative care. And I know that that's a loaded can 579 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: of worms for a lot of people. So I just 580 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: I really want to plug this in if you would 581 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: like to learn about pregnancy prevention you can take a 582 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: look at bedsider dot org to assess your needs. I 583 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: would highly recommend pairing that with talking to a provider 584 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: who understands your lifestyle and can support you with finding 585 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: one that works best for you, because every single contraceptive 586 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: is going to look a little different. If you're a 587 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: person who does not like birth control, I want you 588 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: to know to please still seek preventative methods UM, whether 589 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: that's a barrier method or whether that's more so of 590 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: a holistic method like fertility awareness method. I encourage you 591 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: to still speak to someone you can trust to ensure 592 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: you're using that method correctly. And again there are duelas 593 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: and midwives that can help guide you in the right 594 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: direction for holistic practices UM. And to continue on to 595 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: my community UH, my community kind of recognition. I hope 596 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: that this is also time where if it's feasible for 597 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: you too, if you can't yourself, find UM friends and 598 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: family that you trust and people around you UM to 599 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: either receive yourself or to get it from other people. UM. 600 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: Have pregnancy tests around you and make sure that if 601 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: you feel like you might be pregnant UM, whether you 602 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: are using an actual method or if you're not using 603 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 1: a method currently, make sure you very least have pregnancy 604 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: tests around you, UM, so that you know you can 605 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,959 Speaker 1: detect early on if you are pregnant. UM. Normalize buying 606 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: your friends pregnancy tests for their birthdays. I have. We 607 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: just have to normalize that as a community, and normalize 608 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: buying abortion pills in case someone you know might need 609 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: them in the future, or it might be someone that 610 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: you don't know who could use them. UM. And to 611 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 1: have that accessible if that is feasible for you financially. Um. 612 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: And then yeah, I think just to summarize, like, this 613 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: is truly a time for community support and when the 614 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: government doesn't support us, we we need to figure out 615 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately how and um, if you got the ability, go 616 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: get uh, go get go get snipped. Uh. You know 617 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: there's there's options out there. UMS. Yeah, I provide vasectomies 618 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: by the way, if you can just find me in 619 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: my house. UM. I'm not good at it yet, but people, 620 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna figure it out. I'm gonna figure 621 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: it out. For I got one of those I got 622 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: one of those sharpening wheels, and my butter knives are 623 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: pretty They've got a good edge. They got a good 624 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: edge these days. It's genuinely incredibly disappointment disappointed, and you're 625 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: not using the machete for this. This is this feels 626 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: like a portrayal. Well, there's other reproductive healthcare I used 627 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: the machete for, but that that that does have to 628 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: do with crisis pregnancy centers action. Well, I'll have a 629 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: bunch of referrals for you then, I know, or to 630 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: send them. That that kind of leans into another topic 631 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: I'm covering today. Unfortunately. Um well, thank you so much 632 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: for coming on and for talking to us. This has 633 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: been very enlightening. Um I wish uh it wasn't such 634 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: a bleak subject. But people need to know the fox 635 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: going on. People needed to know this a lot earlier. 636 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, broadly speaking, the thing I 637 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: keep coming back to in this whole fight is the 638 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: frustration of like the rest of us, Like life is 639 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: hard enough, There's like so much going on. People are 640 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: like busy trying to trying to get by, trying to 641 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: do their lives, trying to like find pieces of happiness 642 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: in the world. And there's this fucking group of the 643 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: worst people in the country that have just made this 644 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: made fucking access to reproductive healthcare up for everyone the 645 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: focus of their entire life for thirty years, and unfortunately 646 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: now we have to like do that make the opposite 647 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: the focus of our lives because we kind of just 648 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: not all of us obviously, like you've been in this 649 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: fight for a while, but most of us kind of 650 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: we're not paying as much attention as needed to be paid. 651 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: Um like most people in the end, I'm not trying 652 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: to throw blame on folks, but like, clearly the majority 653 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: of people in the country who support access to reproductive 654 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: health care weren't paying enough attention, you know, Like that's 655 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: the that's the only way to frame it totally. And 656 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: it's almost as if we are picking up the mess 657 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: that others are are creating. Um yeah. And you know, 658 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: after experiencing COVID as a society, everyone's a public health 659 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: professional now and a doctor. Um, so it's clearly, yeah, 660 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: I'm sending referrals to you, thank you. Um yeah. And 661 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: people have a lot of things to say. And with 662 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: that being said, I'm really glad that that these are 663 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: conversations being had. It. I'm glad that friends around me 664 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: now who I have never known to talk about reproductive 665 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: health are going there and talking about it and also 666 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: opening the door up for you know, people like me 667 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,280 Speaker 1: to talk about evidence based practices and what the reality 668 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 1: is and and who's doing the work, and um, everything 669 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: that that focuses around reproductive health. So I I appreciate 670 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: this conversation. I appreciate that there are podcasts discussing this information. 671 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 1: It's necessary and these issues are not going anywhere, and 672 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 1: you know, we're going a little backwards. So I really 673 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: appreciate your time on this. Yeah, thank you for coming 674 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: on the show. And UM, all right, everybody, that's the 675 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: fucking episode, though, do something else. It could Happen Here 676 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: is a production of cool Zone Media. Well more podcasts 677 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,720 Speaker 1: from cool Zone Media. Visit our website cool zone media 678 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: dot com, or check us out on the I Heart 679 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 680 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,360 Speaker 1: You can find sources for It could Happen here, updated 681 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: monthly at cool zone Media dot com slash sources. Thanks 682 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: for listening.