WEBVTT - Draft Show: Safety Nets 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:08.799 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.600 for insder news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.960 confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:26.520 Today is Thursday, February eighth, twenty twenty four, and we 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.280 are now seventy seven days away from the NFL Draft 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.479 in Detroit, Michigan. Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.920 Millerlita Taste you can depend on. This segment is brought 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.440 to you by your Texas Ford Dealers. Ford is the 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.559 best in Texas. We've got Nick Harris, Aisha Morrison, I'm 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.320 Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam running everything in the back. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.560 I'm Kyle Yeomans. Oh I already said that. Welcome in everybody. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.280 Glad you're with us, Little black Rifle coffee. Get us 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.840 ready to go today and talk a little bit more draft. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.640 I might just be a little bit shaken up because 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.880 of an article I read this morning on Dallas Cowboys 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.280 dot Com that this defensive coordinator search is going to 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.880 happen into next week, could could happen into next week. 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:10.600 Nick Harris wrote that article. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.960 Yeah, front office is willing to expand it into next week. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.480 They are conducting another interview this morning with New York 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.840 Jets safeties coach Mark kwand Manuel So And I don't 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.760 expect that to be the last name thrown into the mix. So, yeah, 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.040 it's it's a foreign wide search. I know some people 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.399 on Twitter, we're happy that it's starting to expand and 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.600 that it's it's a thorough look through. And then there's 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.520 some others that are like, ah, there's no plan after 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.960 dan Quinn left, how could they? So, you know, you 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:38.600 get both sides of the coins with this fan base. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.800 Sometimes I don't know if you can say there's no 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.959 plan just because the search is taking longer. They may 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.120 go with whoever we thought where they were going to 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.480 go with. I know my pick would be Mike Zimmer. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.400 I think they still could go with Mike Zimmer. But 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.360 there's nothing wrong with expanding a search and taking a 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.360 look at other candidates, because the only way you get 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.560 bit by that is if you get a coordinator candidate 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.800 taken by another team. Most of the teams that have 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:10.000 new stabs or exchanging stabs have already come to that conclusion. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.640 Right, yeah, absolutely, And then you look at open coordinator spots. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.600 As you said, it's it's not as open as it 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.359 maybe would have been two three weeks ago had Quinn 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.320 taken a job at that point. So I don't think 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.160 there's necessarily a race against any team. You look at 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.680 the Seattle Seahawks are trying to put together defensive coordinator 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.079 and Aiden Dirty is interviewing for that spot as well, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.320 so that's definitely wanted to keep an eye on. I 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.480 know Aiden Dirty had a strong interview this week with 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.720 the Cowboys front office, so certainly in the mix, Dirty Zimmer, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.520 those are the top two candidates. I would put in 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.560 one A one B type type roles right now. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.920 What did you guys think about the is it? I 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.200 don't want to mispronounce his Manuel Mark one? 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:45.560 Manuel? 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:51.080 Yeah, okay, rock one, you got it? Manuel, okay, defensive. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.639 Coach, yes, yes, yes. What did you think about him 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:54.520 being interviewed? 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.440 Yeah, I think it's a it's a step towards the 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.880 front office looking at young assistants. You know, he played 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.720 for Mike McCarthy back when McCarthy was with the Packers, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.080 so there's a little bit of a connection there. He 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:11.400 was a DC under Quinn in Atlanta, so has coordinator experience. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:13.520 It would be an interesting route. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.520 I don't know enough about his scheme, about his coaching 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.560 style anything like that, but as far as casting a 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.440 wide net, I think that's probably the biggest point you 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.280 could take off of the Cowboys bringing him in for 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:24.800 an interview. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.000 Okay checking just because Isaiah standback on Talking Cowboys earlier 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.040 this week, threw out a name and it kind of 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.680 hit the wind and it worked out for him and 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.440 Rex Ryan. I'm gonna say, my name is going to 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.160 be Ken Norton Junior. That's going to be my name 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.680 that I think will pop up in this former defensive 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.920 coordinator with the Seahawks, played with the Cowboys back in 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.400 the two thousands and had a solid career here in 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.440 two thousands back in the nineties, won a couple of 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.440 Super Bowls with him as well. So he was at 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.480 UCLA this past year as a linebackers coach and they 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.200 got a pretty good draft prospect coming out in Darius Mussau, 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.720 who we've talked about a couple of times on this show. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.280 But since it is the Draft show, I want to 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.480 spend this time, and of course we'll have Bobby, Brian 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.960 and Zach back next week. There still out at Radio 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.720 Row for Super Bowl week and really enjoying their time 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.840 out there. But I want to take this time to 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.800 just throw out some names that you guys have been 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.599 watching that everybody's kind of had their eyes on. Let's 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.039 do some tell me more some scouting reports, and I 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.320 want it to be your favorite watch this week. Isaiah 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.440 ba or Isaiah Ayisha. I said Isaiah moment Ago Aisha 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.520 Wrong show, Yeah, wrong show, Isaiah Aisha. I want you 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.320 to tell me your best watch that you've seen so 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:36.600 far since the week started. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.920 Man, that's hard. I'm gonna go with my fresh eyes. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.400 I Nazir Stackhouse, Georgia inside Lineman. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.560 He that's a great name for an interior defensive it is. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.720 It's kind of it's kind of it's kind of it's 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.320 kind of different. But uh yeah, I've been. I was. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:58.960 I was looking at his play and I was looking 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.240 at some of the things he used. Cap I wrote 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.159 down he can knock a guy back on one on ones, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.440 he can find the ball carrier and shed and tackle consistently. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.599 Because that's something that I'm noticing from some of the 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.320 dts in this draft is that can they shed and tackle? Sure, 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.679 but can they do it consistently? Some of them cannot 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.160 This guy can do it consistently. He displays a lot 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.119 of patience as a run defender. He doesn't get too high, 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.960 he drive and extends his arms. He takes on double 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.640 teams with levers, but he also can read well enough 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.200 to split double teams at times. He has fantastic range 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.080 that allows him to redirect the defender to their doom. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.839 Is what I said. The overall movement given his size, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.520 is nice, especially with his play strength. They challenged him 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.919 to step up with the loss of Davis and Carter 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.520 at Georgia, and he did that. I felt like he 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.400 filled in very well for with those big Those are 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.479 big losses, you know, for Georgia in that interior, and 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.560 I do think that he definitely showed people that he 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.400 can play the game at a high level this past year. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:05:59.960 He stood out to me. I know we're looking at 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.600 you know, people don't want to talk about inside d 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.680 Lineman right now, but I like this play. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.800 Yeah. Absolutely. Is he in the draft as your stackhouse, 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:11.159 I can see if I. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.640 I'm trying to find. I think he's in the twenty 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.440 five draft. I think he went back. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:16.479 He went back. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.520 I think he went But here's the thing. The article 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.880 that I'm I'm looking at from Sports Illustrated says uh 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.720 six Bulldogs tapped his top prospects for the twenty twenty 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.119 five NFL Draft, and he's one of them. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:30.960 That's okay, Okay, I can okay. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:32.039 It's a good eye though. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.000 Just getting prep prep ready for next year. You're welcome 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.080 draft fans ahead of the game. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.640 Okay. I will point out a guy that interests me, 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.720 but he's he's he's very much so wild card. Okay, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.159 hear me out. Eric Gentry, inside linebacker USC. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.360 He's definitely coming out. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.880 You know, he's like a draft the playing linebacker six 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:59.120 six Arizona State transfer. He was an edge player before 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.800 and USC was like, hey, let's see if you can 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.440 play some linebacker. And this dude has a seven to 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:11.840 one wingspan. He's a nightmare as seven seven seven. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:14.600 Insane. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.720 It's crazy and you can see it when he's in coverage. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.480 This is a guy that I think could thrive being 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.720 in maybe a nickel scheme where he's defending tight ends consistently. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.040 Because his length, he can cover so much ground quickly. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:33.880 He's athletic, he's still improving his run fits, but he 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.720 does read the RPO. Well for someone like it's very 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.760 weird because I feel like there's if you look at 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.640 a lot of these dns and some of these guys, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.080 they don't plays from some of the film study I've done, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.080 they don't play the RPO consistently. Well, this guy can 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.040 do that, and I think that it's because a lot 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.920 of what he doesn't coverage. And then the athleticism also 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.520 allows him to chase down people in pursuit. He did 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.440 have a pretty serious ankle injury in twenty two, was 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.440 able to come from that. But the production is there. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.880 The only thing that people might worry about again is 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.280 the frame because he is so he's lean, but he's 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.360 not a big line. He's not a big physical lineback, 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.320 hold on, I got it down here, am I bad? 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:16.160 Let me see. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.040 I just wanted to see how white he was to 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.520 go along with the wing No, yeah, because. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.000 It varies with these guys, so I always, I always 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.680 try to make sure I'm not guesstimating with him. Says 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:28.800 he's two hundred and fifteen. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.280 Pounds, okay, so a little white. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.880 So he's a little so he Yeah, so I'm sure 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.040 a coach possibly will want to put into his frame 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.280 put a little bit more size on him if necessary. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.920 I think it is necessary. And like I said, he 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.200 is still developing as far as just consistently with his 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:48.079 run fits. But in coverage he's a problem. And he's 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.959 a problem because you have to place the ball. Do 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:52.800 you have to place the ball correctly with him because 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.480 he's gonna take it out the air. He also had 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.920 some interceptions in his career. I was he's someone to 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.440 watch again. I don't know what's going to happen with 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.959 him because of the length and stuff in his frame, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.520 but I was very interested in him, and I don't 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.000 know if you guys will take some time to check 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:08.120 him out too and see what you think. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.000 I've already started him just because of the seven foot 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.440 one wingspan. Got that that's got me interested already. Crazy 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.959 talk about the length, what you've been looking at? Yes, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.760 so he's got like a slight grin on your face. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.000 So whoever you're about to talk about, I know you're pumped. 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.839 Yeah, I'm just excited about him because it's a guy 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.520 that I know pretty well, going back to his high 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.880 school days at Temple High School down in Central Texas. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.440 Super Baby, Yes, super Sintex do y'all have a guess 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.640 a Temple High School guys or y'all y'all didn't go 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:34.440 that deep just yet. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.320 No, honestly, I haven't even looked at yeah. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.480 Anyway, this guy caught my eye at the at the 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.640 Senior Bowl. I've known about him for a while, for 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.120 gosh going on five years now. Tight end Jared Wiley 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.880 at TCU, and he was I want to start with 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.320 the high school days as I do with these more 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.160 more no's. It played at Temple High School alongside Quinton Johnston, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.680 who's a first round pick for the Chargers last year 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.080 and played as a first round pick this past season. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.040 Jared Wiley initially went to Texas and then Quinton Johnston 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.320 went to TCU. Jared Wiley played two seasons at Texas, 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.720 didn't get a lot of time on the field, hadn't 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.200 really seen much development in his two seasons that he 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.680 was there, and then some guy named Jatavian Sanders walked 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.800 in the door and pretty much took the starting tight 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.240 end job. So Jared Wiley hopped in the transfer portal 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.679 called his old buddy Quintin Johnson, said, Hey, you think 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.320 I could probably make the team as a tight end 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.040 over there, ended up in Fort Worth and ended his 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.560 career in college as a first team All Big Twelve 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.080 member This past year was a really shining point on 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.000 this offense for TCU this past season and then on 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.480 their national championship team where they went and got beat 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.800 by Georgia in the National Championship. He was a big 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.480 part of that team as well, So he had some 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.760 didn't have crazy production at the college level, but he's physical, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.800 he's a playmaker. Whenever you see a big time tight 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:49.480 end making a play in the Big Twelve, it's nine 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.080 times out of ten it's gonna be Jared Wiley or 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.160 Jatavian Sanders. And then what I saw from him at 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:55.960 the Senior Bowl or I'll give my take on him. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.280 Going into the Senior Bowl, I was seeing him as 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.960 potentially a late Day three type. I was like, look, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.240 I really like what he does wrong the playmaking standpoint. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.760 Can he be consistent though? Can that production translate to 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.480 the NFL? When he went to the Senior Bowl first day, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.480 he was probably the best pass catcher natural pass catcher 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.360 that I saw out of the group. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.400 On both teams. He was making plays. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.800 He's physical in his route running, he's able to get 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.360 at the top of his route and be able to 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.360 break off with some separation, So he's got a little 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.640 bit of speed there as well. I really like Jared Wiley, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.760 and when you look at him, he's got these tattoos 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.760 all down his arms and legs. He reminds you of 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.760 Jake Ferguson in a way, just because he's able to 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.960 be so physical. He has that dog in him. If 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.760 you go back and watch from TCU, I mean he's 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.760 getting in people's face and you know, he's doing the 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.280 first down markers in their face like Jake Ferguson. But 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.240 I think this is a guy that can sneak into 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.800 the fourth, fifth round and have similar production towards Jake 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.040 Ferguson that he's had in his first two seasons if 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:47.640 he lands on the right team with a team that 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.160 needs that has a need for a play making type 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.520 tight end, and an offense that can set him up 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.080 to do that. Six foot seven, two hundred and sixty 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.600 pounds is what he's listed at on the TCU website. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.280 I think he's closer to probably six five and a 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.680 half six to six, but still, I mean, he has 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.280 that length, he has that size, He's able to translate 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.719 that physicality whenever he's out and route running, and I. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.199 Like what he's done in run blocking as well. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.160 I think this is an all around tight end that 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.640 I think could sneak into early Day three, potentially late 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.040 day two if he has a good combine as well. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.959 Experienced guy twelve games, forty seven catches last year, five 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.920 hundred and twenty yards. He also had eight touchdowns as well, 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.440 So along with those forty seven catches, he had eight scores. 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.640 And this is probably the most notable stat that I'm 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.800 looking at here, the fact that quarterbacks when targeting him 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.080 had a one to ten passer rating, Oh realized. Pretty good. Yeah, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.320 that's if we're talking about the way that tight ends 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.360 had played a factor in this offense across the hallway 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.920 with the Cowboys. You need a reliable tight end, you 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.640 need a reliable target, a safety net. We talked about 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.920 it with Dalton Schultz, now, Jake Ferguson, even Jason Whitten 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.240 back when he was playing. You need somebody like that. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.400 And it seems like Jared Wiley is there with as 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.720 much as as we put a lot of emphasis on 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.360 big ten tight ends with these Michigan and Iowa's and 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.200 Wisconsin's and all these tight ends that have come out 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.040 from there. Is there any worry based off of the 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.000 Big twelve slate compared to the Big ten slate? 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:17.120 No, I wouldn't say so. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.640 The way offenses have been able to produce in the 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.560 Big twelve gosh for the better part of all of 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.000 our lifetime. Sure, I'm confident in an offensive weapon being 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.080 able to come out and produce. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:27.960 You like him or Sanders more. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.080 I love Sanders. It's gonna be Sanders for me. But 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.440 the thing about Jatavian Sanders is his athleticism. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.439 Out of Texas through the roof. Yeah. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.880 Correct, His athleticism is through the roof, and you look 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:40.520 at some of the catches that he made last season 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.839 in Texas is really really legit. My only concern with 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.000 Jatavian Sanders is consistent health. He battled injuries each the 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.480 last two seasons throughout the year, missed a game here 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.520 and there. But I think that's just going to come 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.520 with a little bit more experience. What's interesting about Jatavian Sanders, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:56.800 if I can kind of be a sicko about him 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.200 for a minute, came out of Ditton Ryan High school, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.600 which we talked about a Money Bailey on Tuesday, also 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.120 came out of Dton Ryan. They were both on that 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.880 state championship team in twenty nineteen. He was coming out 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.840 as a pass rusher, as a defensive end. That was 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.360 what he was supposed to be going into college. That's 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.440 what we had ranked him as at the on the 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.840 recruiting sites because he looked more natural as a pass rusher, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.600 but he was still making these wild one handed catches 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.400 on the offensive side of the ball, playing tight end 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.960 and outside receiver. So he goes to Texas and had 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.040 other schools involved, Alabama, Oklahoma, but goes to Texas and 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.280 within the first couple of weeks of fall camp ends 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.040 up being a tight end. And he's like, no, this 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:32.880 guy's going to play tight end. From what we heard 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.160 down in Austin. It's like, no, this guy, he runs routes, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.600 he has a developed route tree, he can run block. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:39.920 We're going to try him on offense and if it 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.360 doesn't work out, we know he'll work on the defensive side. Well, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.800 it worked out, and now he's probably going to be 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:44.920 an early second round tight end. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:45.320 Yeah. 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.000 I mean, when you mentioned the injuries, a tight end 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.440 that comes to mind was a Kinkaid Dolton Hekkad, and 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.280 I mean a lot of people were worried about his 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:55.840 injuries and some of the things with him, but he 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.080 came out the season with the Bills and was productive 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.360 with them and showed that he was a to be 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.120 resilient in that way. So I injuries matter, they do, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.480 They do matter. But I am kind of at a 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.600 place to where I'm giving players the chance to write that, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.320 you know, to show that they can stay healthy, NBA 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:13.920 able to play the game at a high level as well. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.080 I know this is kind of looking into retrospective a 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.080 little bit, but it did surprise you that the run of 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.880 tight ends happened when it did. I kind of would 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.800 have expected it to happen in the twenties last year, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.520 and I bring that up to the point of it 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.160 was such a stacked tight end class last yew objectively, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.200 and that run didn't happen until I guess thirty five 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.680 is when it really started to pick Florida and went off. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.400 The board, and then a lot of teams I think 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.400 jumped the gun and wanted to go get somebody. Dallas 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.320 was sitting there waiting in the second round wanting a 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.760 tight end. Of course they ended up taking Luke's schoonmaker. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.840 But I think I agree with you because we were 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:53.400 talking about if Kincave falls to the Cowboys, if mayor 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.480 at A Notre Dame falls to the Cowboys, if you 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.880 have Laporta that's there, would you even entertaining the option? 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.640 Then boom, boom boom. They all kind of went off 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.360 the board. But it was later than what you thought. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.200 Yeah, And is that more speaking towards the value of 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.440 the position or just kind of draft day you know, Shenanigans. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.760 I mean, you've run that draft back ten more times, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.640 and you probably get that run in the twenties a 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:15.320 couple more times. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.600 I think people really value the position. I think it 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.840 can really change which you can do offensively. We've seen 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.360 it with this team, how it opened up things when 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.080 it wasn't at the beginning of the season, when you 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.720 weren't getting anything from your tight ends. Really, when Jay 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.200 Ferguson did become a guy that other teams have to 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.520 worry about, you saw people rolling coverage to him. You 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.080 saw people allocating to be able to stop him. I 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.440 do think the position has become intricate to what you 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.680 do offensively. But then also too, you look at some 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.080 of the better offenses in the league, guess what, they 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.160 got good tight ends, And so I do think that 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.520 that was a big part of like people looking around 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.520 the league and saying, Okay, well these teams made it. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.840 They had a consistent tight end, they could run twelve 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.320 personnel to counter the nickel and things like that. So yeah, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.640 it was surprising, but we were ready for it though. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.640 I felt we were ready for last year when it happened. 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.600 Yeah, the one thing, like you said, it values the 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.840 position because a lot of those guys went earlier than 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.640 we were even anticipating, going up in that early part 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:13.200 of the second round. But it was draft A Shananigans. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.040 If they ran that back today, Sam Reporter would be higher. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.720 Daltinking Kid, I think would be high. You have guys 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.160 that would be back in that category. So I think 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.040 it was a little bit of draft ded Shenanigans. Maybe 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.080 the fact that those quarterbacks were falling and there was 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.960 kind of a weird thing with Will Levis there too, 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.040 kind of played a factor into it. But yeah, I'd 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:31.480 bere definitely interesting to think about. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.600 I'd be curious to know what gms think about how 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.640 much time they put into the tight end class last 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.439 year takes Sam Laporta out of the equation because he 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.320 was just phenomenal. I think he met expectations and exceeded them. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.480 Dulton Kinkaid met, But you look at Michael Mayer probably didn't. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:44.720 Didn't. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.760 You look at Luke skoon Maker, probably didn't. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.080 So I'd be curious to know what gms think about 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:50.800 how much time and effort that they put into those 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.120 top round tight ends last year and if they would 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.800 kind of feel the same way going into this year. Obviously, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.639 the tight end class is much different, the tight end 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.960 crop is much different going into future drafts. But I'd 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.240 be curious to know if there's any you know, there's 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.240 any difference in the approach towards the tight end. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:11.399 We talked about this though, is the flip of everybody 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.600