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Speaker 2: ready to go today and talk a little bit more draft.
Speaker 2: I might just be a little bit shaken up because
Speaker 2: of an article I read this morning on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 2: dot Com that this defensive coordinator search is going to
Speaker 2: happen into next week, could could happen into next week.
Speaker 2: Nick Harris wrote that article.
Speaker 3: Yeah, front office is willing to expand it into next week.
Speaker 3: They are conducting another interview this morning with New York
Speaker 3: Jets safeties coach Mark kwand Manuel So And I don't
Speaker 3: expect that to be the last name thrown into the mix. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's a foreign wide search. I know some people
Speaker 3: on Twitter, we're happy that it's starting to expand and
Speaker 3: that it's it's a thorough look through. And then there's
Speaker 3: some others that are like, ah, there's no plan after
Speaker 3: dan Quinn left, how could they? So, you know, you
Speaker 3: get both sides of the coins with this fan base.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't know if you can say there's no
Speaker 2: plan just because the search is taking longer. They may
Speaker 2: go with whoever we thought where they were going to
Speaker 2: go with. I know my pick would be Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 2: I think they still could go with Mike Zimmer. But
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with expanding a search and taking a
Speaker 2: look at other candidates, because the only way you get
Speaker 2: bit by that is if you get a coordinator candidate
Speaker 2: taken by another team. Most of the teams that have
Speaker 2: new stabs or exchanging stabs have already come to that conclusion.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely, And then you look at open coordinator spots.
Speaker 3: As you said, it's it's not as open as it
Speaker 3: maybe would have been two three weeks ago had Quinn
Speaker 3: taken a job at that point. So I don't think
Speaker 3: there's necessarily a race against any team. You look at
Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks are trying to put together defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: and Aiden Dirty is interviewing for that spot as well,
Speaker 3: so that's definitely wanted to keep an eye on. I
Speaker 3: know Aiden Dirty had a strong interview this week with
Speaker 3: the Cowboys front office, so certainly in the mix, Dirty Zimmer,
Speaker 3: those are the top two candidates. I would put in
Speaker 3: one A one B type type roles right now.
Speaker 4: What did you guys think about the is it? I
Speaker 4: don't want to mispronounce his Manuel Mark one?
Speaker 5: Manuel?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, rock one, you got it? Manuel, okay, defensive.
Speaker 4: Coach, yes, yes, yes. What did you think about him
Speaker 4: being interviewed?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a it's a step towards the
Speaker 3: front office looking at young assistants. You know, he played
Speaker 3: for Mike McCarthy back when McCarthy was with the Packers,
Speaker 3: so there's a little bit of a connection there. He
Speaker 3: was a DC under Quinn in Atlanta, so has coordinator experience.
Speaker 5: It would be an interesting route.
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about his scheme, about his coaching
Speaker 3: style anything like that, but as far as casting a
Speaker 3: wide net, I think that's probably the biggest point you
Speaker 3: could take off of the Cowboys bringing him in for
Speaker 3: an interview.
Speaker 2: Okay checking just because Isaiah standback on Talking Cowboys earlier
Speaker 2: this week, threw out a name and it kind of
Speaker 2: hit the wind and it worked out for him and
Speaker 2: Rex Ryan. I'm gonna say, my name is going to
Speaker 2: be Ken Norton Junior. That's going to be my name
Speaker 2: that I think will pop up in this former defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator with the Seahawks, played with the Cowboys back in
Speaker 2: the two thousands and had a solid career here in
Speaker 2: two thousands back in the nineties, won a couple of
Speaker 2: Super Bowls with him as well. So he was at
Speaker 2: UCLA this past year as a linebackers coach and they
Speaker 2: got a pretty good draft prospect coming out in Darius Mussau,
Speaker 2: who we've talked about a couple of times on this show.
Speaker 2: But since it is the Draft show, I want to
Speaker 2: spend this time, and of course we'll have Bobby, Brian
Speaker 2: and Zach back next week. There still out at Radio
Speaker 2: Row for Super Bowl week and really enjoying their time
Speaker 2: out there. But I want to take this time to
Speaker 2: just throw out some names that you guys have been
Speaker 2: watching that everybody's kind of had their eyes on. Let's
Speaker 2: do some tell me more some scouting reports, and I
Speaker 2: want it to be your favorite watch this week. Isaiah
Speaker 2: ba or Isaiah Ayisha. I said Isaiah moment Ago Aisha
Speaker 2: Wrong show, Yeah, wrong show, Isaiah Aisha. I want you
Speaker 2: to tell me your best watch that you've seen so
Speaker 2: far since the week started.
Speaker 4: Man, that's hard. I'm gonna go with my fresh eyes.
Speaker 4: I Nazir Stackhouse, Georgia inside Lineman.
Speaker 2: He that's a great name for an interior defensive it is.
Speaker 4: It's kind of it's kind of it's kind of it's
Speaker 4: kind of different. But uh yeah, I've been. I was.
Speaker 4: I was looking at his play and I was looking
Speaker 4: at some of the things he used. Cap I wrote
Speaker 4: down he can knock a guy back on one on ones,
Speaker 4: he can find the ball carrier and shed and tackle consistently.
Speaker 4: Because that's something that I'm noticing from some of the
Speaker 4: dts in this draft is that can they shed and tackle? Sure,
Speaker 4: but can they do it consistently? Some of them cannot
Speaker 4: This guy can do it consistently. He displays a lot
Speaker 4: of patience as a run defender. He doesn't get too high,
Speaker 4: he drive and extends his arms. He takes on double
Speaker 4: teams with levers, but he also can read well enough
Speaker 4: to split double teams at times. He has fantastic range
Speaker 4: that allows him to redirect the defender to their doom.
Speaker 4: Is what I said. The overall movement given his size,
Speaker 4: is nice, especially with his play strength. They challenged him
Speaker 4: to step up with the loss of Davis and Carter
Speaker 4: at Georgia, and he did that. I felt like he
Speaker 4: filled in very well for with those big Those are
Speaker 4: big losses, you know, for Georgia in that interior, and
Speaker 4: I do think that he definitely showed people that he
Speaker 4: can play the game at a high level this past year.
Speaker 4: He stood out to me. I know we're looking at
Speaker 4: you know, people don't want to talk about inside d
Speaker 4: Lineman right now, but I like this play.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely. Is he in the draft as your stackhouse,
Speaker 5: I can see if I.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find. I think he's in the twenty
Speaker 2: five draft. I think he went back.
Speaker 4: He went back.
Speaker 2: I think he went But here's the thing. The article
Speaker 2: that I'm I'm looking at from Sports Illustrated says uh
Speaker 2: six Bulldogs tapped his top prospects for the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five NFL Draft, and he's one of them.
Speaker 4: That's okay, Okay, I can okay.
Speaker 2: It's a good eye though.
Speaker 3: Just getting prep prep ready for next year. You're welcome
Speaker 3: draft fans ahead of the game.
Speaker 4: Okay. I will point out a guy that interests me,
Speaker 4: but he's he's he's very much so wild card. Okay,
Speaker 4: hear me out. Eric Gentry, inside linebacker USC.
Speaker 2: He's definitely coming out.
Speaker 4: You know, he's like a draft the playing linebacker six
Speaker 4: six Arizona State transfer. He was an edge player before
Speaker 4: and USC was like, hey, let's see if you can
Speaker 4: play some linebacker. And this dude has a seven to
Speaker 4: one wingspan. He's a nightmare as seven seven seven.
Speaker 2: Insane.
Speaker 4: It's crazy and you can see it when he's in coverage.
Speaker 4: This is a guy that I think could thrive being
Speaker 4: in maybe a nickel scheme where he's defending tight ends consistently.
Speaker 4: Because his length, he can cover so much ground quickly.
Speaker 4: He's athletic, he's still improving his run fits, but he
Speaker 4: does read the RPO. Well for someone like it's very
Speaker 4: weird because I feel like there's if you look at
Speaker 4: a lot of these dns and some of these guys,
Speaker 4: they don't plays from some of the film study I've done,
Speaker 4: they don't play the RPO consistently. Well, this guy can
Speaker 4: do that, and I think that it's because a lot
Speaker 4: of what he doesn't coverage. And then the athleticism also
Speaker 4: allows him to chase down people in pursuit. He did
Speaker 4: have a pretty serious ankle injury in twenty two, was
Speaker 4: able to come from that. But the production is there.
Speaker 4: The only thing that people might worry about again is
Speaker 4: the frame because he is so he's lean, but he's
Speaker 4: not a big line. He's not a big physical lineback,
Speaker 4: hold on, I got it down here, am I bad?
Speaker 4: Let me see.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to see how white he was to
Speaker 2: go along with the wing No, yeah, because.
Speaker 4: It varies with these guys, so I always, I always
Speaker 4: try to make sure I'm not guesstimating with him. Says
Speaker 4: he's two hundred and fifteen.
Speaker 2: Pounds, okay, so a little white.
Speaker 4: So he's a little so he Yeah, so I'm sure
Speaker 4: a coach possibly will want to put into his frame
Speaker 4: put a little bit more size on him if necessary.
Speaker 4: I think it is necessary. And like I said, he
Speaker 4: is still developing as far as just consistently with his
Speaker 4: run fits. But in coverage he's a problem. And he's
Speaker 4: a problem because you have to place the ball. Do
Speaker 4: you have to place the ball correctly with him because
Speaker 4: he's gonna take it out the air. He also had
Speaker 4: some interceptions in his career. I was he's someone to
Speaker 4: watch again. I don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 4: him because of the length and stuff in his frame,
Speaker 4: but I was very interested in him, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if you guys will take some time to check
Speaker 4: him out too and see what you think.
Speaker 2: I've already started him just because of the seven foot
Speaker 2: one wingspan. Got that that's got me interested already. Crazy
Speaker 2: talk about the length, what you've been looking at? Yes,
Speaker 2: so he's got like a slight grin on your face.
Speaker 2: So whoever you're about to talk about, I know you're pumped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just excited about him because it's a guy
Speaker 3: that I know pretty well, going back to his high
Speaker 3: school days at Temple High School down in Central Texas.
Speaker 3: Super Baby, Yes, super Sintex do y'all have a guess
Speaker 3: a Temple High School guys or y'all y'all didn't go
Speaker 3: that deep just yet.
Speaker 2: No, honestly, I haven't even looked at yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, this guy caught my eye at the at the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. I've known about him for a while, for
Speaker 3: gosh going on five years now. Tight end Jared Wiley
Speaker 3: at TCU, and he was I want to start with
Speaker 3: the high school days as I do with these more
Speaker 3: more no's. It played at Temple High School alongside Quinton Johnston,
Speaker 3: who's a first round pick for the Chargers last year
Speaker 3: and played as a first round pick this past season.
Speaker 3: Jared Wiley initially went to Texas and then Quinton Johnston
Speaker 3: went to TCU. Jared Wiley played two seasons at Texas,
Speaker 3: didn't get a lot of time on the field, hadn't
Speaker 3: really seen much development in his two seasons that he
Speaker 3: was there, and then some guy named Jatavian Sanders walked
Speaker 3: in the door and pretty much took the starting tight
Speaker 3: end job. So Jared Wiley hopped in the transfer portal
Speaker 3: called his old buddy Quintin Johnson, said, Hey, you think
Speaker 3: I could probably make the team as a tight end
Speaker 3: over there, ended up in Fort Worth and ended his
Speaker 3: career in college as a first team All Big Twelve
Speaker 3: member This past year was a really shining point on
Speaker 3: this offense for TCU this past season and then on
Speaker 3: their national championship team where they went and got beat
Speaker 3: by Georgia in the National Championship. He was a big
Speaker 3: part of that team as well, So he had some
Speaker 3: didn't have crazy production at the college level, but he's physical,
Speaker 3: he's a playmaker. Whenever you see a big time tight
Speaker 3: end making a play in the Big Twelve, it's nine
Speaker 3: times out of ten it's gonna be Jared Wiley or
Speaker 3: Jatavian Sanders. And then what I saw from him at
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl or I'll give my take on him.
Speaker 3: Going into the Senior Bowl, I was seeing him as
Speaker 3: potentially a late Day three type. I was like, look,
Speaker 3: I really like what he does wrong the playmaking standpoint.
Speaker 3: Can he be consistent though? Can that production translate to
Speaker 3: the NFL? When he went to the Senior Bowl first day,
Speaker 3: he was probably the best pass catcher natural pass catcher
Speaker 3: that I saw out of the group.
Speaker 5: On both teams. He was making plays.
Speaker 3: He's physical in his route running, he's able to get
Speaker 3: at the top of his route and be able to
Speaker 3: break off with some separation, So he's got a little
Speaker 3: bit of speed there as well. I really like Jared Wiley,
Speaker 3: and when you look at him, he's got these tattoos
Speaker 3: all down his arms and legs. He reminds you of
Speaker 3: Jake Ferguson in a way, just because he's able to
Speaker 3: be so physical. He has that dog in him. If
Speaker 3: you go back and watch from TCU, I mean he's
Speaker 3: getting in people's face and you know, he's doing the
Speaker 3: first down markers in their face like Jake Ferguson. But
Speaker 3: I think this is a guy that can sneak into
Speaker 3: the fourth, fifth round and have similar production towards Jake
Speaker 3: Ferguson that he's had in his first two seasons if
Speaker 3: he lands on the right team with a team that
Speaker 3: needs that has a need for a play making type
Speaker 3: tight end, and an offense that can set him up
Speaker 3: to do that. Six foot seven, two hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: pounds is what he's listed at on the TCU website.
Speaker 3: I think he's closer to probably six five and a
Speaker 3: half six to six, but still, I mean, he has
Speaker 3: that length, he has that size, He's able to translate
Speaker 3: that physicality whenever he's out and route running, and I.
Speaker 5: Like what he's done in run blocking as well.
Speaker 3: I think this is an all around tight end that
Speaker 3: I think could sneak into early Day three, potentially late
Speaker 3: day two if he has a good combine as well.
Speaker 2: Experienced guy twelve games, forty seven catches last year, five
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty yards. He also had eight touchdowns as well,
Speaker 2: So along with those forty seven catches, he had eight scores.
Speaker 2: And this is probably the most notable stat that I'm
Speaker 2: looking at here, the fact that quarterbacks when targeting him
Speaker 2: had a one to ten passer rating, Oh realized. Pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's if we're talking about the way that tight ends
Speaker 2: had played a factor in this offense across the hallway
Speaker 2: with the Cowboys. You need a reliable tight end, you
Speaker 2: need a reliable target, a safety net. We talked about
Speaker 2: it with Dalton Schultz, now, Jake Ferguson, even Jason Whitten
Speaker 2: back when he was playing. You need somebody like that.
Speaker 2: And it seems like Jared Wiley is there with as
Speaker 2: much as as we put a lot of emphasis on
Speaker 2: big ten tight ends with these Michigan and Iowa's and
Speaker 2: Wisconsin's and all these tight ends that have come out
Speaker 2: from there. Is there any worry based off of the
Speaker 2: Big twelve slate compared to the Big ten slate?
Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't say so.
Speaker 3: The way offenses have been able to produce in the
Speaker 3: Big twelve gosh for the better part of all of
Speaker 3: our lifetime. Sure, I'm confident in an offensive weapon being
Speaker 3: able to come out and produce.
Speaker 2: You like him or Sanders more.
Speaker 3: I love Sanders. It's gonna be Sanders for me. But
Speaker 3: the thing about Jatavian Sanders is his athleticism.
Speaker 2: Out of Texas through the roof. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Correct, His athleticism is through the roof, and you look
Speaker 3: at some of the catches that he made last season
Speaker 3: in Texas is really really legit. My only concern with
Speaker 3: Jatavian Sanders is consistent health. He battled injuries each the
Speaker 3: last two seasons throughout the year, missed a game here
Speaker 3: and there. But I think that's just going to come
Speaker 3: with a little bit more experience. What's interesting about Jatavian Sanders,
Speaker 3: if I can kind of be a sicko about him
Speaker 3: for a minute, came out of Ditton Ryan High school,
Speaker 3: which we talked about a Money Bailey on Tuesday, also
Speaker 3: came out of Dton Ryan. They were both on that
Speaker 3: state championship team in twenty nineteen. He was coming out
Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, as a defensive end. That was
Speaker 3: what he was supposed to be going into college. That's
Speaker 3: what we had ranked him as at the on the
Speaker 3: recruiting sites because he looked more natural as a pass rusher,
Speaker 3: but he was still making these wild one handed catches
Speaker 3: on the offensive side of the ball, playing tight end
Speaker 3: and outside receiver. So he goes to Texas and had
Speaker 3: other schools involved, Alabama, Oklahoma, but goes to Texas and
Speaker 3: within the first couple of weeks of fall camp ends
Speaker 3: up being a tight end. And he's like, no, this
Speaker 3: guy's going to play tight end. From what we heard
Speaker 3: down in Austin. It's like, no, this guy, he runs routes,
Speaker 3: he has a developed route tree, he can run block.
Speaker 3: We're going to try him on offense and if it
Speaker 3: doesn't work out, we know he'll work on the defensive side. Well,
Speaker 3: it worked out, and now he's probably going to be
Speaker 3: an early second round tight end.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you mentioned the injuries, a tight end
Speaker 4: that comes to mind was a Kinkaid Dolton Hekkad, and
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of people were worried about his
Speaker 4: injuries and some of the things with him, but he
Speaker 4: came out the season with the Bills and was productive
Speaker 4: with them and showed that he was a to be
Speaker 4: resilient in that way. So I injuries matter, they do,
Speaker 4: They do matter. But I am kind of at a
Speaker 4: place to where I'm giving players the chance to write that,
Speaker 4: you know, to show that they can stay healthy, NBA
Speaker 4: able to play the game at a high level as well.
Speaker 3: I know this is kind of looking into retrospective a
Speaker 3: little bit, but it did surprise you that the run of
Speaker 3: tight ends happened when it did. I kind of would
Speaker 3: have expected it to happen in the twenties last year,
Speaker 3: and I bring that up to the point of it
Speaker 3: was such a stacked tight end class last yew objectively,
Speaker 3: and that run didn't happen until I guess thirty five
Speaker 3: is when it really started to pick Florida and went off.
Speaker 2: The board, and then a lot of teams I think
Speaker 2: jumped the gun and wanted to go get somebody. Dallas
Speaker 2: was sitting there waiting in the second round wanting a
Speaker 2: tight end. Of course they ended up taking Luke's schoonmaker.
Speaker 2: But I think I agree with you because we were
Speaker 2: talking about if Kincave falls to the Cowboys, if mayor
Speaker 2: at A Notre Dame falls to the Cowboys, if you
Speaker 2: have Laporta that's there, would you even entertaining the option?
Speaker 2: Then boom, boom boom. They all kind of went off
Speaker 2: the board. But it was later than what you thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And is that more speaking towards the value of
Speaker 3: the position or just kind of draft day you know, Shenanigans.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've run that draft back ten more times,
Speaker 3: and you probably get that run in the twenties a
Speaker 3: couple more times.
Speaker 4: I think people really value the position. I think it
Speaker 4: can really change which you can do offensively. We've seen
Speaker 4: it with this team, how it opened up things when
Speaker 4: it wasn't at the beginning of the season, when you
Speaker 4: weren't getting anything from your tight ends. Really, when Jay
Speaker 4: Ferguson did become a guy that other teams have to
Speaker 4: worry about, you saw people rolling coverage to him. You
Speaker 4: saw people allocating to be able to stop him. I
Speaker 4: do think the position has become intricate to what you
Speaker 4: do offensively. But then also too, you look at some
Speaker 4: of the better offenses in the league, guess what, they
Speaker 4: got good tight ends, And so I do think that
Speaker 4: that was a big part of like people looking around
Speaker 4: the league and saying, Okay, well these teams made it.
Speaker 4: They had a consistent tight end, they could run twelve
Speaker 4: personnel to counter the nickel and things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it was surprising, but we were ready for it though.
Speaker 4: I felt we were ready for last year when it happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing, like you said, it values the
Speaker 2: position because a lot of those guys went earlier than
Speaker 2: we were even anticipating, going up in that early part
Speaker 2: of the second round. But it was draft A Shananigans.
Speaker 2: If they ran that back today, Sam Reporter would be higher.
Speaker 2: Daltinking Kid, I think would be high. You have guys
Speaker 2: that would be back in that category. So I think
Speaker 2: it was a little bit of draft ded Shenanigans. Maybe
Speaker 2: the fact that those quarterbacks were falling and there was
Speaker 2: kind of a weird thing with Will Levis there too,
Speaker 2: kind of played a factor into it. But yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: bere definitely interesting to think about.
Speaker 3: I'd be curious to know what gms think about how
Speaker 3: much time they put into the tight end class last
Speaker 3: year takes Sam Laporta out of the equation because he
Speaker 3: was just phenomenal. I think he met expectations and exceeded them.
Speaker 3: Dulton Kinkaid met, But you look at Michael Mayer probably didn't.
Speaker 2: Didn't.
Speaker 5: You look at Luke skoon Maker, probably didn't.
Speaker 3: So I'd be curious to know what gms think about
Speaker 3: how much time and effort that they put into those
Speaker 3: top round tight ends last year and if they would
Speaker 3: kind of feel the same way going into this year. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the tight end class is much different, the tight end
Speaker 3: crop is much different going into future drafts. But I'd
Speaker 3: be curious to know if there's any you know, there's
Speaker 3: any difference in the approach towards the tight end.
Speaker 4: We talked about this though, is the flip of everybody
Speaker 4: want athletic tight ends, huh. That's that's the new wave, huh,
Speaker 4: because it was the at some point in time, it
Speaker 4: was you wanted a guy like Michael Mayer's like somewhat
Speaker 4: when you look at them, you like, it's a tight end, yes,
Speaker 4: the traditional field that can play in line and stuff.
Speaker 4: But yo, like, we're definitely seeing that these more athletic
Speaker 4: tight ends are giving people trouble. And I do also
Speaker 4: think it speaks to what the linebacker positions become and
Speaker 4: how people use their safeties in the big nickel and
Speaker 4: the coverage ability from some of these dbs and stuff
Speaker 4: are able to match better with some of these tight ends.
Speaker 4: You need a guy that has some yak ability, can
Speaker 4: break tackles, get upfield and do things block as well,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: what else can you give me in the receiving game.
Speaker 4: I think it's so much easier to key in on
Speaker 4: an offense when they don't have the middle of the
Speaker 4: field being utilized consistently with with a tight end. So
Speaker 4: it's interesting to me to see how the conversation has
Speaker 4: changed with the tight end position.
Speaker 2: It has changed. And I mean, look at the four
Speaker 2: teams that made it to the conference title games too,
Speaker 2: and I mean you've got George Kittle for the forty
Speaker 2: nine Ers, Travis Kelcey for the Chiefs, Sam Laporter for
Speaker 2: the Lions, and then I know he didn't necessarily help
Speaker 2: them get there, but Mark Andrews is still one of
Speaker 2: the better tight ends when he's healthy In the NFL.
Speaker 2: So with all that being said, having a good athletic,
Speaker 2: versatile tight end, who can block, who can receive, who
Speaker 2: can do a lot of things helps you out a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Cowboys are really in the
Speaker 2: mood for a tight end this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not fergus definitely not. This is more of
Speaker 3: a large scope view of the tight end position.
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of this show. So we don't always
Speaker 2: have to talk Cowboys.
Speaker 4: I do want to ask y'all though, like, well, I mean,
Speaker 4: are they I mean, we're saying they're not. But Jake
Speaker 4: Ferguson is the only guy they gave you anything consistently.
Speaker 4: You're betting on Schoolmaker developing more as a receiver getting
Speaker 4: on it. We don't know what's gonna happen with Hindershot
Speaker 4: because up and down year from here. John Stevens, who
Speaker 4: is somebody that I think he could have used coming
Speaker 4: back from the ACL, don't know what he's gonna be
Speaker 4: fully ready to insert himself. I mean, I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: like we could say, Okay, they're not going to touch
Speaker 4: tight end, But at the same time, what do you
Speaker 4: have really depth wise that's proven at this point, and
Speaker 4: I know they may not touch it as early as
Speaker 4: you know, second round or something like that. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, like day three, we can't guarante, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we can't guarantee that Schoolmaker is going to become a
Speaker 4: viable pass option.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me if there's quite a bit of
Speaker 3: effort put into the undrafted free agent market for tight end.
Speaker 3: I'd like that to just the number of tight the
Speaker 3: number of draft picks that the Cowboys have going into
Speaker 3: this year. I'd be surprised if it's a tight end.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's off the table. I think
Speaker 3: that's a good point.
Speaker 4: I got a guy I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 4: be undrafted. I don't want to put that evil on him,
Speaker 4: Ricky Bobby. But at the same time, his name is
Speaker 4: Tanner McLachlin, tight end out of Arizona. He's an FSU
Speaker 4: transfer wide receiver converted tight end. He had the most
Speaker 4: receptions at Arizona even he surpassed Gronkowski there. Very reliable target,
Speaker 4: absolutely absolutely. He has seventy six receptions all time and
Speaker 4: that's the most in Arizona. I appreciate his speed up
Speaker 4: the seams, It's one thing that I notice is that
Speaker 4: he has that you can see that he does have
Speaker 4: some former receiver to him. He's a very willing blocker.
Speaker 4: I mean when you go look at him like, it's
Speaker 4: not always perfect, don't get me wrong, but the effort
Speaker 4: in blocking is there, and that means he's coachable and
Speaker 4: I like that about him. He really works for his
Speaker 4: QB as well. I mean you see his QB scrambling
Speaker 4: and things like that. He's looking to get open for
Speaker 4: his quarterback. And also too, he snatches the ball out
Speaker 4: of the air as well, which is to me, it's
Speaker 4: kind of speaks to some of his receiver background. He
Speaker 4: has fluid hips, although you can tell he's still learning
Speaker 4: how to work angles as a tight end. Again, kind
Speaker 4: of gives me maybe later later round guy, maybe undrafted
Speaker 4: guy that has such has a lot of things to
Speaker 4: work upon. And he's also he got some wiggle to
Speaker 4: him also in the open field. He has some yackability,
Speaker 4: can do some things, but he's a hurtler, like a
Speaker 4: guy we got on this team right now. He do
Speaker 4: not like his lesbia taken out like that, but I
Speaker 4: just I just appreciate the player. Like watching him, I
Speaker 4: watched about three games from him, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is a solid tight end that can develop into
Speaker 4: something good. But he also too can be a reliable
Speaker 4: receiving option for you, I think, right away, and help
Speaker 4: you in the in the passing game. So yeah, Tanner
Speaker 4: McLachlan tight end out of Arizona, is someone that maybe
Speaker 4: might be somebody.
Speaker 5: I like it. He's also Canadian Lethbridge, Alberta.
Speaker 4: Come on, Canadian, I like it.
Speaker 6: I like it.
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Speaker 2: it's time for some twitter on the twenty What position
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Speaker 2: Boys in twenty twenty four? Is there a position of
Speaker 2: need where you could possibly hit two? That's one of
Speaker 2: the questions. We'll answer a couple more when we come
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Speaker 2: The first question of Twitter on the twenty today comes
Speaker 2: from Lane and he says, if the Cowboys were to
Speaker 2: double dip at a position, which one do you feel
Speaker 2: like is most likely? And he listed a couple. He said,
Speaker 2: offensive linebackers, safety or other, but it could be really
Speaker 2: whatever position you want.
Speaker 4: You said you're gonna cheat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of why I wanted you to go first.
Speaker 4: Gosh, I think you're gonna I think you might lose
Speaker 4: more guys than what you think on the defensive line.
Speaker 4: Okay to free agency, so I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: The end, Wow, going and picking up multiple edge rushers.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm listen, I'm going out on a limb.
Speaker 4: But I just do think that you have quite a
Speaker 4: few guys that are up and it is and this
Speaker 4: group has been together for a minute.
Speaker 2: Depends on if you gate Dornce back. Dante's probably already
Speaker 2: got a place in Washington.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm looking at who else is there.
Speaker 4: I mean, DT is wise, I mean, Neville Gallimore is
Speaker 4: a guy. Chauncey's still here. He's still gonna be here
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. Obviously you have Micah, that's fine.
Speaker 4: Jonathan Hankins, Jonathan Hankins. D law is still He's still here,
Speaker 4: but he's he is getting older and you need to
Speaker 4: be able to help him, you know, stay fresh throughout
Speaker 4: the season. I could I could see it.
Speaker 5: Maybe I could see it.
Speaker 2: Maybe I like it.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing it's.
Speaker 2: A little like out of the grand scope. I think
Speaker 2: the easy answers here are the ones that he answered
Speaker 2: is offensive line, linebacker, safety. But if you're talking about
Speaker 2: it under the radar, double dip. That's definitely a possibility. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I was initially thought I was gonna cheat. But
Speaker 3: if he said offensive line, I'm saying offensive line. The
Speaker 3: reason I thought I was cheating is like tackle, guard,
Speaker 3: be specific, but not I think they take two offensive
Speaker 3: linemen in this draft. I mean, we've talked about tackle
Speaker 3: getting that in the first round, or center. I think
Speaker 3: whichever one you don't get, you have to get at
Speaker 3: some point during the draft. It would shock me, shock
Speaker 3: me if there's not too offensive linemen in this draft.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's say we are being specific. You're splitting him
Speaker 2: into three spots, center, guard, tackle, Which one do you
Speaker 2: feel like would be most likely to double dip going
Speaker 2: into this draft?
Speaker 5: Probably tackle, tackle, Yeah, probably, just.
Speaker 2: Because of the value there in the first round and
Speaker 2: then you pick up one later to try and develop.
Speaker 3: Well that and also the current depth of the of
Speaker 3: the team. You look at the center options that could
Speaker 3: work for the Dallas Cowboys if Tyler Biattis is not
Speaker 3: in the building anymore, you look at the tackle options
Speaker 3: off Tyron Smith is not in the building anymore. I
Speaker 3: think you're a little bit more thin at tackle in
Speaker 3: that scenario.
Speaker 2: Who's your tackle, right now your left tackle right now
Speaker 2: if Tyron Smith does not come back, because Tyrone is
Speaker 2: an unrestricted free agent. Huw, mydoga is an unrestricted free agent.
Speaker 2: Who's your left tackle?
Speaker 3: Probably either Awesome Richard's you got, Matt Will Let's go,
Speaker 3: you got, Yeah, Tyler Smith?
Speaker 4: I think I think Tyler Smith is my left tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's probably TJFT. Yeah yeah, stumbling mercy and that's what it's.
Speaker 4: But that's another thing that's frustrating again is that we
Speaker 4: don't know nothing about Awesome. Yeah, Like it's very limited
Speaker 4: in what we were able to see from him to
Speaker 4: even be able to do. You was like, do you
Speaker 4: look like uncomfortable saying his name just now? So not
Speaker 4: just put you in a tough spot. But I agree
Speaker 4: with you to your point about some undrafted free agents
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Some of this this center class
Speaker 4: is kind of deep, man like to where I think
Speaker 4: maybe some guys might be available outside of there. Do
Speaker 4: you think so you think everybody's gonna gravel?
Speaker 3: You look at a couple of centers that I think
Speaker 3: we saw throughout the All Star Game week, Hunter Nors
Speaker 3: that out of Penn State. I know those guy that
Speaker 3: me and kind of came together on You'll get Tanner
Speaker 3: Borderlini out of Wisconsin. That's probably a Day three, late
Speaker 3: Day three type guy Matt Lee out of Miami. So
Speaker 3: there's there's gonna be some options later in the draft.
Speaker 3: I think if you really want one of these top
Speaker 3: who centers, though, you gotta get him early, first round.
Speaker 5: Or second round.
Speaker 2: So that's the second question on Twitter on the twenty
Speaker 2: A Deal says if the Cowboys took offensive tackle early
Speaker 2: centers that you would consider worthy of replacing a Tyler
Speaker 2: Biattish at center if you waited till the later round.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you're talking about starting caliber right
Speaker 2: this second, I think it would have to be a second,
Speaker 2: third round, maybe a fourth. That's what Tyler Biottish was
Speaker 2: and he was immediately a starter. So second, third, fourth
Speaker 2: round prospects at center that you would trust to come
Speaker 2: in and be ready.
Speaker 3: You look at Zach Frasier out of West Virginia. Dane
Speaker 3: Brugler talked about him pretty highly whenever he was in here,
Speaker 3: talking about how he broke his leg on a late
Speaker 3: drive for West Virginia and instead of taking the injury
Speaker 3: time out in affording or costing West Virginia timeout in
Speaker 3: that late game scenario, he's crawling off the field with
Speaker 3: a broken leg and he gets off and his recovery's
Speaker 3: actually gone really well. He was at Senior Bowl being
Speaker 3: able to kind of work through some things. He wasn't
Speaker 3: on in team drills or anything, but just the fact
Speaker 3: that he was out there and able to show that
Speaker 3: he actually can walk with two legs was pretty pretty impressive.
Speaker 5: And he's he's he's a maler as well. In the middle.
Speaker 3: You'll get bow Limmer out of Arkansas. That was a
Speaker 3: guy I talked about a little bit coming out of
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl as well. We've talked about Cedric van prank
Speaker 3: Granger out of Georgia on this show as well. I
Speaker 3: think there's some I think there are some guys, but
Speaker 3: it just kind of depends on what type of guy
Speaker 3: that they bring in. I think they would need a
Speaker 3: run stopper. You look at bow Limmer here right here
Speaker 3: in the middle for Arkansas in this film shout outs
Speaker 3: Chris Beam in the back, but just being able to
Speaker 3: kind of identify where these holes can open up in
Speaker 3: the middle. But I think it's most important to find
Speaker 3: a center that can run block and you see what
Speaker 3: he does here in this run blocking, being able to
Speaker 3: pave the middle of the defense right there and create
Speaker 3: some some short yardage gains. But I think that's probably
Speaker 3: what you missed with Tyler Biottish at times last year
Speaker 3: and being able to pull in those kind of scenarios.
Speaker 3: But if you can bring in a run block run
Speaker 3: block first center, I think you have a guy that
Speaker 3: can potentially start day one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I well, first, before we get there, did you
Speaker 4: like some of the things he saw you saw from
Speaker 4: Dominic Pooney playing center at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't get to see him a whole lot.
Speaker 3: But he's a big guy. I will say he's a big,
Speaker 3: big guy, and he's got a lot of positional flex
Speaker 3: he worked at many different positions in mobile. So we've
Speaker 3: talked about a lot of these guys that are center hybrids,
Speaker 3: you know. We've talked about Graham Barton, We've talked about
Speaker 3: Jackson Powers Johnson. I think there's probably a need to
Speaker 3: be able to find a guy who can be able
Speaker 3: to focus on that run blocking in the interior. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and has a little bit more of those knacks. Not
Speaker 3: to say like don't draft Graham Barton's I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that at all, but I want to be able to
Speaker 3: solidify a run blocker in the middle. I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: want to pass protector first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a guy. Saw him at the Shrine
Speaker 4: Bowl this year, Barnacles. I need to write down. I
Speaker 4: didn't write down to school. My bad. I was just
Speaker 4: taking notes Dylan.
Speaker 5: Mcmannon North Carolina State.
Speaker 4: Yes, North Carolina State. So you talk about, you know, okay,
Speaker 4: maybe this guy will in some of the later rounds.
Speaker 4: He has a good movement and a strong anchor. You
Speaker 4: notice it in drills, crazy vertical. So he's strong out
Speaker 4: of his stands, very strong out of his stance. So
Speaker 4: you talk about the run blocking. You wanted to get
Speaker 4: up on you guys. He's played all across the line,
Speaker 4: but I think he is a center. That's where I
Speaker 4: felt like he thrived the most when I saw him.
Speaker 4: The hand, the hand technique is there. He's not afraid
Speaker 4: to wrestle and to counter. He has He has consistent
Speaker 4: good hand placement as well, So again you're looking for
Speaker 4: the technique. Like you just mentioned, he knows how to
Speaker 4: play this position. He can climb up the field quickly
Speaker 4: and he can take on angles. I like his motor
Speaker 4: and he can finish at the second level as well.
Speaker 4: I do think that this is a gentleman that people
Speaker 4: will pay attention to in the later rounds. And he
Speaker 4: showed some good things during the Shrine Bowl, but also
Speaker 4: during the practices as well. Yeah, he's real strong. That's
Speaker 4: a center for you. So we'll keep an eye on
Speaker 4: him maybe for the later rounds.
Speaker 2: I like it all right. This question comes from Bob.
Speaker 2: He said, what of the right tackles could you see
Speaker 2: moving over to left side in the NFL? Out of
Speaker 2: this tackle class? A lot of offensive line questions too,
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll jump out with two right right off
Speaker 3: the bat. You look at Talisi Fuaga out of Oregon State.
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of the appeal is that
Speaker 3: he could be a left tackle option. Played right tackle
Speaker 3: mostly at the Oregon State and now he's starting to
Speaker 3: sneak into top ten pick territory potentially even I've seen
Speaker 3: mox this week that have him above Joe alt out
Speaker 3: of Notre Dame. Wow, which is quite wild. Not to
Speaker 3: say it's untrue, but just wild. Tyler Gutting out of
Speaker 3: Oklahoma played right tackle for them, but can play left tackle.
Speaker 3: Got a lot of reps at left tackle during the
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl as well, so that's a guy that could
Speaker 3: swing around. I think there's whenever you look at the
Speaker 3: tackle position and you look at the development with a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys. You see Tyler Guitton here taking
Speaker 3: some right tackle snaps. But whatever, you look at the
Speaker 3: tackle position, the development, and what they can do at
Speaker 3: this stage of their career, it's not necessarily a situation
Speaker 3: where if they haven't played left tackle their entire life,
Speaker 3: that they can't do it. Especially with the offensive line
Speaker 3: development that we've seen in Dallas, you know, being able
Speaker 3: to bring a guy that is mainly focused in at
Speaker 3: right tackle, it doesn't take that long to be able
Speaker 3: to work at left. I think the only time you
Speaker 3: would run into an issue where that couldn't happen is
Speaker 3: if there's mobility concerns, And if there's mobility concerns, you
Speaker 3: probably don't want.
Speaker 5: To that tackle anymore.
Speaker 3: So I'm not really concerned about any guy who would
Speaker 3: have a ton of right tackle experience at this stage
Speaker 3: of his career twenty two to twenty three years old
Speaker 3: and coming in as a left tackle.
Speaker 2: I love how every time the film starts rolling in
Speaker 2: the studio. We've got three monitors in here now, where
Speaker 2: we used to only have the one and the three
Speaker 2: monitors or all have the highlights, and we're all such
Speaker 2: film junkies that we just get locked in on the
Speaker 2: film and we're like looking for hand placement and technique
Speaker 2: and we're trying to move around and see what Tyler
Speaker 2: Guiden's doing here to win this rep and things like that.
Speaker 4: Or but I will say, is it important we again
Speaker 4: we've talked about this. We haven't really talked about right
Speaker 4: tackle like that, where's your death of right tackle?
Speaker 3: I'll wait exacts the same thing. It's the same tackle
Speaker 3: in general, and that that's kind of like what I'm speaking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the flexibility is gonna matter because you at
Speaker 4: the very least you need a suitable swing to be
Speaker 4: able to come in if necessary. So I guess right
Speaker 4: tackle is not something that a lot of people are
Speaker 4: just thinking, like you will be looking at but you
Speaker 4: should be maybe looking at it. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: try to check out some of the later round guys
Speaker 4: and see if we can find some guys with's how
Speaker 4: the draft is set up for the Cowboys. There's some
Speaker 4: guys to stand up a.
Speaker 3: Couple of interesting later round guys that I've seen over
Speaker 3: the course the last couple of weeks. You'll get Ethan
Speaker 3: Driscoll out of Marshall, big guy, every bit of six six.
Speaker 3: I don't have his official listing, but he's he was
Speaker 3: one of the taller tackle prospects and he moves really well.
Speaker 3: I think the only thing that he kind of lacks
Speaker 3: is experience and dealing with crafty pass rushers.
Speaker 5: You can tell that Marshall. Gosh, they're in the sun
Speaker 5: Belt now, aren't they?
Speaker 2: Yes, they are.
Speaker 3: Marshall in the Sun Belt being able to deal with
Speaker 3: a lot of power guys that come off that edge.
Speaker 3: And he was lining up against more athletic guys like
Speaker 3: a lot too out of UCLA during Senior Bowl. So
Speaker 3: just kind of being to account for that. I think
Speaker 3: that's why he probably be a later round guy. And
Speaker 3: you look at Christian Jones out of Texas, you look
Speaker 3: at experience. Gosh, forty five games plus of experience at
Speaker 3: Texas for Christian Jones working at right tackle. He got
Speaker 3: a little bit of work at left tackle before Kelvin
Speaker 3: Banks came into the equation, but being able to work
Speaker 3: at right tackle really really helped him as well. And
Speaker 3: I think Beams, yeah, cooking up some film here on
Speaker 3: Christian Jones, but you see his power, you see the
Speaker 3: experience and just being able to come out of that
Speaker 3: set as natural as he does. That's what makes Christian
Speaker 3: Jones really impressive as a tackle prospect. I think he's
Speaker 3: a high floor guy in a low ceiling. You know
Speaker 3: what you're going to get out of him, and I
Speaker 3: think he is a guy that could contribute at the
Speaker 3: NFL level. I think whatever team he lands on, he
Speaker 3: lands on an NFL roster, will he started day one?
Speaker 3: Probably not, But I think he's definitely a guy you
Speaker 3: would love to have in your room as a depth option.
Speaker 3: You've seen what tackle depth can be so important towards
Speaker 3: in the NFL in these days. You know those times
Speaker 3: early in the season where too Mey Doga was a
Speaker 3: reliable depth option. I think once you got to the
Speaker 3: Miya in game, he probably exhausted that a little bit.
Speaker 3: But to be able to have a guy that you
Speaker 3: can trust in those depth options, I think Christian Jones
Speaker 3: is one of them.
Speaker 2: It's almost like the same scouting report we were giving
Speaker 2: Austome Richards last year out of North Carolina. High floor,
Speaker 2: low ceiling guy. You kind of know what you get
Speaker 2: depth as he develops into the league. And like I
Speaker 2: used to have said, that's part of the frustration with
Speaker 2: Richards is that you thought it was a high floor.
Speaker 2: So you want to see that development. You haven't necessarily
Speaker 2: seen it yet. All Right. This question comes from Eric.
Speaker 2: He says, outside of the top three wide receivers Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior Ohio State, Malik Neighbors LSU, and then Romeo
Speaker 2: Dounja from Washington, anybody slips to twenty four that would
Speaker 2: interest you outside of those three guys, would you take
Speaker 2: a pick of twenty four at one of these wide
Speaker 2: receivers in a Ced Lamb scenario, Even though I would
Speaker 2: argue ceede. Lamb was a part of the Big three
Speaker 2: back in twenty.
Speaker 3: Twenty, I don't think there's one you take at twenty
Speaker 3: four If it's one of those Brian Thomas Junior, I'll
Speaker 3: throw that nose out there, Yeah, Lsu, Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 3: I think that's one that you probably toy with the
Speaker 3: idea of. But you look at the needs on this
Speaker 3: team and you look at where they need to beef
Speaker 3: up certain areas. I just I struggle with taking a
Speaker 3: wide receiver in the first round. They need one at
Speaker 3: some point, though, And that's why when we were throwing
Speaker 3: out those theoreticals on or hypotheticals on Tuesday, I kind
Speaker 3: of inserted Brendan Rice in that equation just because it
Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me if they took a gamble on one
Speaker 3: in the third round. I think there's going to be
Speaker 3: a run of receivers in the third round. If you
Speaker 3: want to get in on one that can be productive early.
Speaker 3: I think that's when you need to take one. But
Speaker 3: at twenty four I struggle with taking anybody outside of
Speaker 3: those top four, and I would include Brian Thomas Junior
Speaker 3: in that equation. But I think there's some late first
Speaker 3: round guys that are really fun. Troy Franklin out of Oregon, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Keyon Coleman out of Florida State. So there's there's definitely
Speaker 3: some interesting options. But with as deep as this receiver
Speaker 3: class is, in my opinion, you want to wait till
Speaker 3: the third round.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, it's very deep. It's a lot of
Speaker 4: guys that interest you. I have to have not gotten
Speaker 4: a chance to talk about him much, But I like
Speaker 4: the gentleman out of A and M. A night is
Speaker 4: it in a nice A nice Smith, A nice smith.
Speaker 4: He stood out to me when I watched him the
Speaker 4: other night.
Speaker 2: Let me get to his He is so shifty. Yes,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, he is electric with the ball in
Speaker 2: his hands. We're talking about yards after the catch it returns.
Speaker 2: I mean he is lightning in a bottle fast. And
Speaker 2: I think there were some like there were some questions
Speaker 2: with Texas A and M fans just throughout the years
Speaker 2: of certain parts of his game. The I think ball tracking.
Speaker 2: I mean, he has the speed to be a deep threat,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't very good at tracking the ball, yes,
Speaker 2: to make it happen. And then he wasn't a contested
Speaker 2: catch guy. He wasn't going to go up and make
Speaker 2: a grab. So those are the kind of things with
Speaker 2: Smith specifically out of A and M. That man, he's
Speaker 2: got all these tools, He's got all these things, but
Speaker 2: if he can't catch the ball and contested scenarios, then
Speaker 2: it's going to hurt children.
Speaker 4: I wonder what I mean. I do think it depends
Speaker 4: on your scheme and what you're trying to do. Because
Speaker 4: he's thirsty. He's good, his short area of quickness is good.
Speaker 4: But he's he's trustworthy and he's versatile, but he's creative
Speaker 4: in his are out running as well. He's tough also
Speaker 4: too for his size. I mean he'll get out there
Speaker 4: and block, he'll get out there and willingly do some things.
Speaker 4: So to your point about the contest to catch thing,
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, well, is that something that we can
Speaker 4: work on? Is that something we can add at these don't.
Speaker 2: Put them in that situation then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he's a weapon.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think some of the running back experiences that he
Speaker 4: has gives him a good vision in the open field
Speaker 4: and allows him to be elusive. But it's interesting because
Speaker 4: last year we talked about there weren't that many small guys.
Speaker 4: There were more small guys last year. This year that's
Speaker 4: like far and fewer in between as far as the
Speaker 4: size goes. So I do wonder their approach this year
Speaker 4: where you have more of the traditional looking wide receivers,
Speaker 4: what happens with some of the smaller guys or do
Speaker 4: people really just still look at like, okay, a tankdale
Speaker 4: is a flower. Some of these guys were still able
Speaker 4: to be successful. Does that change some of the ideology
Speaker 4: behind if they're gonna take some of these smaller guys
Speaker 4: or not, or is it gonna go right back to
Speaker 4: normal and some of these little guys are gonna fall.
Speaker 3: I think it's more of an overall view of the
Speaker 3: receiver position than the guys that you've been able to
Speaker 3: hit on as far as early picks and the guys
Speaker 3: you haven't been able to hit on. I think there's
Speaker 3: probably some truth to that, But the way the receiver
Speaker 3: position is trending in the last three drafts and going forward,
Speaker 3: a receiver is just going to be deep for big receivers,
Speaker 3: traditional receivers that six one sixty two type feel, and
Speaker 3: then the small receiver sub six foot I think you
Speaker 3: have I think you have depth at all three of
Speaker 3: those spots this year. I think there's maybe more of
Speaker 3: a lack of big body guys, but I don't think
Speaker 3: there would be a change of philosophy.
Speaker 2: No one Smith specifically, he's shorter than Tank Dell. He's
Speaker 2: five foot nine. Tank Dell was five to ten. I mean,
Speaker 2: what was Dell's at the combine? Actually, I take it back.
Speaker 2: Dell's at the combine was five eight and three eights,
Speaker 2: so he's real, real small. Smith is one ninety at
Speaker 2: least that's what it was measured at at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 2: So h one ninety. In terms of weight, he's about
Speaker 2: thirty pounds heavier than what Tank Dell was, and he
Speaker 2: might be a smitch and taller, but not by a lot.
Speaker 2: So I think it depends on maybe the weaponry and
Speaker 2: what they bring from a skill set standpoint more than anything.
Speaker 2: I think the tale of the tale is that you
Speaker 2: can be a small receiver and have success in the NFL.
Speaker 2: We've seen it this year. Zay Flowers had a great year.
Speaker 2: You had Tank Dell who had a phenomenal rookie campaign.
Speaker 2: You've got guys that you can rely on that are
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit smaller. All right, let's take our
Speaker 2: second break. When we come back, I want to talk
Speaker 2: about the safety position. There's a lot of talk about
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator search and what's going on in Dallas,
Speaker 2: and of course with dan Quinn's departure, so is maybe
Speaker 2: the departure of a philosophy around the safety position. We
Speaker 2: will talk about that now. It could affect the NFL
Speaker 2: draft when we come back.
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Speaker 2: And we haven't really talked about the safety position a
Speaker 2: whole lot on this show just yet. We've mentioned a
Speaker 2: couple names here and there, mostly with tell me more
Speaker 2: in a couple of conversations, but with the way that
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn utilized safeties when he first arrived in Dallas
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and revolutionized what this franchise viewed
Speaker 2: the safety position as. And say what you want about
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three season, A couple guys had some
Speaker 2: down years. I thought Donovan Wilson was very good this year.
Speaker 2: Malie Cooker and jay Ron Kurse probably had their lowest
Speaker 2: year as a Cowboy. It wasn't an awful year from
Speaker 2: the safety group, but maybe under the radar for the
Speaker 2: most part. Does that change the way you look at
Speaker 2: the safety position in the NFL draft now that dan
Speaker 2: Quinn is gone going into twenty twenty four, because this
Speaker 2: is a franchise that has never really valued that position
Speaker 2: until Quinn came in and used it the right way.
Speaker 5: I think that's tough to answer without a coordinator in
Speaker 5: the building.
Speaker 3: You look at what the safeties have brought since dan
Speaker 3: Quinn has been here, but you also look at what
Speaker 3: that sacrifices at times, and maybe it's a you know,
Speaker 3: having those three safeties on the field at all times,
Speaker 3: it's maybe lacks a little size in some areas and
Speaker 3: you take away. But I think that's tough to answer
Speaker 3: without a coordinator in the room.
Speaker 2: Let's say, based off of the coordinator candidates that you've
Speaker 2: seen and that you've known enough about the way that
Speaker 2: they run their defense, Yeah, who would probably fit the
Speaker 2: safety position the best? Who would?
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at New York Jets safeties coach
Speaker 3: markwan Manuel pretty good one, right, and you look at
Speaker 3: what he brought from Quinn's philosophy as a defensive coordinator
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, it's very similar to what Quinn ran.
Speaker 5: I think there's a little bit of.
Speaker 3: Unfair kind of penning onto Aiden Dirty as far as
Speaker 3: if he was to take the defensive coordinator job, this
Speaker 3: scheme remains the same, Everything remains the same. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's the case. I think there's more of an
Speaker 3: emphasis up front. There's a reason that he was a
Speaker 3: defensive line coach. He's been a linebackers coach. He's a
Speaker 3: front seven main guy. You look at Quinn, I mean
Speaker 3: he was his focus was in the secondary, and you
Speaker 3: look at all of his spawns in the coaching tree,
Speaker 3: those are all secondary guys as well. I think Aiden
Speaker 3: Dirty probably brings what that pass rush has been over
Speaker 3: the course of the last three years. Sure, Quinn's a
Speaker 3: big part of it. As well, but you look at
Speaker 3: what Dirty is accomplished. I mean, that's why this Seattle
Speaker 3: Seahawks want to interview him. That's why he's always brought
Speaker 3: up whenever defensive coordinator positions come open. I think, if
Speaker 3: you want an emphasis up front, you look at Aiden Dirty,
Speaker 3: you look at Mike Zimmer. If you want to stay
Speaker 3: in the secondary and be able to focus on things
Speaker 3: in the defensive backfield, then you maybe look at markwe
Speaker 3: Ma well, or you know some of the other candidates
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends on For me, it depends on how
Speaker 4: you handle the linebacker position. Even so, because from this year,
Speaker 4: from this season, I mean, the reason why some of
Speaker 4: the safeties were doing linebacker stuff was just the lack
Speaker 4: of depth and linebacker and things like that. So sure,
Speaker 4: if that position, I think it allows your safeties to
Speaker 4: play a little bit more free in a sense. I
Speaker 4: also will say, I am really looking at Markue's bell
Speaker 4: and his usage moving forward, I would like to see
Speaker 4: him be a safety big dog. Sorry, I mean we've
Speaker 4: watched him in practices and stuff do safety things, and
Speaker 4: it seems like that's where he thrives at. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you and then also too, we have win
Speaker 4: on earlier. You got guys. You got guys in this
Speaker 4: room that I think you can get on the field
Speaker 4: and be able to play well. So I wonder if
Speaker 4: they even do touch the safety position at all. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't mind it, but I just wonder if it's if
Speaker 4: they even feel like it's a need because you do
Speaker 4: have somewhat adequate depth there right now, which is something
Speaker 4: you haven't been able to say in a minute.
Speaker 2: And whenever they signed Marque's Bell after the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two draft, one of the things that we said about
Speaker 2: him in terms of a comp was jay Ron Curse.
Speaker 2: He could do j Ron Curse things because of the size,
Speaker 2: because of the athleticism, and if he's playing linebacker, that
Speaker 2: proves that fact. And I think if they move him
Speaker 2: back and they put him in a similar role, he'd
Speaker 2: probably be more successful in what Curse was doing, maybe
Speaker 2: even more than what Curse was doing this past year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say one thing. I mean, the Cowboys
Speaker 4: didn't run a crap ton of two high safety or
Speaker 4: split safety. Maybe you might see that difference come into
Speaker 4: play as far as having more of the coverage safeties
Speaker 4: out there, and then your guys closer to the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmage. I do think that maybe a Donovan Wilson
Speaker 4: or somebody could benefit from being closer to the line
Speaker 4: of scrimmage consistently than doing a whole bunch in coverage
Speaker 4: as he was, especially this past year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ran single high safety sixty six percent of
Speaker 2: the time. That was third most in the NFL, split
Speaker 2: safety thirty one percent of the time, And if it
Speaker 2: was third most in the NFL, it's third least in
Speaker 2: the NFL in terms of split safeties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it wasn't first because of the
Speaker 3: injuries you had late in the season to Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 3: and then Gilmore in the Washington game, so they kind
Speaker 3: of had to revert back to safety looks at times.
Speaker 4: Right right, So yeah, I do think some of those
Speaker 4: gentlemen like a Jayne Thomas or Markue's Bell, some of
Speaker 4: those guys could benefit from, you know, you doing that
Speaker 4: a little bit more. And then we've also seen that
Speaker 4: it gives defense, it gives offensive trouble in the league,
Speaker 4: so let's try it.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about some of these prospects. Then, I
Speaker 2: think right up at the top of the list, you've
Speaker 2: got a couple of names that you've heard before. Kaylin Bullock, USC,
Speaker 2: Javon Bullard from Georgia, Tyler Nuban Minnesota, Cameron Kitchens from Miami.
Speaker 2: Those are all names that we've thought about. Anybody stick
Speaker 2: out to you out of that group that you like
Speaker 2: the most in terms of just the safety position, not
Speaker 2: necessarily talking about Cowboys fits, but just in general.
Speaker 3: I've talked about a couple of these guys on the
Speaker 3: show pretty in depth, and I'm going to go ahead
Speaker 3: and regurgitate those points. Camera Kitchens will start there. A
Speaker 3: hard hitting, rangey safety that could be trusted on that
Speaker 3: single high island. He ran a lot of that for
Speaker 3: for for Miami. If that's the need that you want
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys, and I think that's a guy you
Speaker 3: could have behind Molly Cooker and he's but he brings
Speaker 3: that physicality that that Donovan Wilson has been able to
Speaker 3: be famous for here at Dallas and being able to
Speaker 3: lay a pop on somebody. Just go look at some
Speaker 3: Cameron Kitchens highlights and you're gonna be very excited with
Speaker 3: what you've seen. Yeah he was not there.
Speaker 2: But he was invited.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was invited, but he he runs a lot
Speaker 3: of BLOODZ packages too, and and he man he knows
Speaker 3: exactly where to come what hole to come down really aggressive,
Speaker 3: and I think that's maybe to a fault at times
Speaker 3: because he gives us some big things over the top,
Speaker 3: which I think would be perfect for a Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 3: defense right. Another guy I've talked about quite a bit
Speaker 3: is Tyler Nuban out of Minnesota. I've said it before,
Speaker 3: I think he's the best run defending safety in this class,
Speaker 3: elite run defender out of a third level, and he
Speaker 3: can play up to the line of scrimmage on early downs.
Speaker 5: He's really trusted.
Speaker 3: He's a guy that I think coaches go out there
Speaker 3: and say, Okay, you know what's to be happening on
Speaker 3: this early down situation. You have the freedom to go
Speaker 3: wherever you want on the field because he has that
Speaker 3: much trust in IQ to be able to let line
Speaker 3: up on the line of scrimmage identify early what's going on.
Speaker 3: And there were plays at Minnesota last year where it
Speaker 3: was first and ten beginning a drive on the twenty
Speaker 3: five yard line and teams were going to try to
Speaker 3: bait him with a play action and a really well
Speaker 3: designed play action and he identified it immediately and was
Speaker 3: able to drive back into coverage. And he's really impressive.
Speaker 3: I love Tyler Nuban. I think he's a guy that's
Speaker 3: gonna make a lot of money in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned Miami. I wanted to bring up that gentleman.
Speaker 4: Cameron Kitchen's a teammate, James Williams Strong safety sixty five,
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifteen pounds. He stood out to me
Speaker 4: as well you talk about I think that's kind of
Speaker 4: embedded in them as far as the aggression, because Yo,
Speaker 4: he's chirpy too. He's in your face, going to let
Speaker 4: you know he's there all day as well. He seems
Speaker 4: like he takes pride in his tackling, like you mentioned
Speaker 4: about the other gentleman and making his presence felt. He
Speaker 4: has to. I think he has to sink his hips
Speaker 4: a little bit more in his back pedal and not
Speaker 4: play so tall because he is so tall. It's just difficult.
Speaker 4: But he can give your care. If you have a
Speaker 4: Russian QB and you think he thinks he'd about just
Speaker 4: be running around there free and stuff, He's gonna make
Speaker 4: him pay. He definitely is that that thumper that wants
Speaker 4: to come down here and let you know you're there.
Speaker 4: He has impressive range and burst and coverage and so
Speaker 4: he can cover a lot of grass. He attacks angles wide,
Speaker 4: but he has the recovery speed to get there. So
Speaker 4: you know, maybe there's some things he can work on
Speaker 4: in that regard. He can get square and take on
Speaker 4: on linemen and running backs. He's not afraid to, and
Speaker 4: he processes early in reps and that allows him to
Speaker 4: play free. That's something that stood out to me. I
Speaker 4: do think he has to do a little bit better
Speaker 4: job getting his depths at times and then also to
Speaker 4: he can overpursue like your guy talked about, But that's
Speaker 4: that aggression and you got to find a balance there
Speaker 4: with them and really learn how to balance his temperament
Speaker 4: because he is a hair on fire. I'm here, I'm
Speaker 4: about to let you know I'm here all day. Maybe
Speaker 4: you know, you get a coach that can balance that
Speaker 4: temperament and help him use it in a good way.
Speaker 4: But he stood out to me when I was watching kitchen,
Speaker 4: So that's funny. Yes, you brought him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So instead of safety, James Williams, can I interest
Speaker 3: you in linebacker?
Speaker 5: James Williams somebody again.
Speaker 2: But I hear you.
Speaker 4: Though, because he has that intensity and he has that processing,
Speaker 4: quick reaction come downhill. I'm not afraid to take on
Speaker 4: an old line and I'm not afraid to take on
Speaker 4: a running back. I can do it. If a titand
Speaker 4: is gonna be out there, I'm gonna punch him too.
Speaker 4: Like I can see that. That's crazy, you said, Okay.
Speaker 3: Wor, it's a lot of linebacker reps at Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: You look at how much Miami ran single high last
Speaker 3: year and how where they trusted James Williams in the
Speaker 3: second level at times. I think there's some versatility there
Speaker 3: with safety linebacker hybrid work.
Speaker 4: I love that. Oh well, I meant to say it's
Speaker 4: somebody's language. He ain't here.
Speaker 2: Whoever's in here may not love it as much. And
Speaker 2: I think the fans at home are probably like, no, please,
Speaker 2: no more linebacker safety hybrids. But he's he's built more
Speaker 2: for that than what Mark Eespell was. Mark e Spell
Speaker 2: is a true safety and they moved him the linebacker
Speaker 2: out of need, and he did a nice job, I thought,
Speaker 2: playing out a position, he did what he could and
Speaker 2: he wasn't great at linebacker, but he was doing what
Speaker 2: he could. All right, Before we get out of here,
Speaker 2: I want you to give me your pick for the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Who's winning it? Chiefs forty nine Ers. Hey.
Speaker 3: I grew up in Chapel Hill, Texas, which is ten
Speaker 3: minutes down the street from White House, Texas, where Patrick
Speaker 3: Mahomes grew up. So I'm taking the Chiefs all every
Speaker 3: single time.
Speaker 4: I refuse to pick the forty nine ers. Philly is
Speaker 4: our rival. The forty nine Ers are Nemesis at this point,
Speaker 4: absolutely not. I'm going with the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: I like the way you said that you should make
Speaker 2: it ahead.
Speaker 3: What does your brain show you though? Because my brain
Speaker 3: probably tells me something different from my heart. It's going
Speaker 3: in different directors.
Speaker 4: I just can't pick. Like one thing I have noticed
Speaker 4: about the playoffs and honestly ik him what the Chiefs
Speaker 4: are doing to what y'all don't don't start with me.
Speaker 4: What the Warriors did the last year, that stuff they
Speaker 4: won the championship where people didn't think they could do it.
Speaker 4: It gives me that vibe from Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, y'all, you think this is his last ride?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Thought I was done? No, I don't I think that
Speaker 4: they're continuing to figure things out. But a lot of
Speaker 4: people did not think this team was going to be
Speaker 4: here this year. I think they got a little chip
Speaker 4: on their shoulder, but their experience, they're one of the
Speaker 4: only teams that I feel like I've seen that experience
Speaker 4: seems like it actually has mattered it definitely. It seems
Speaker 4: like it actually has shown up in these games. And
Speaker 4: so for me, I'm like, yeah, I think the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers have a fantastic Rochester. They can get it done.
Speaker 4: But I'm just not picking against these people because they
Speaker 4: somehow figure it out. I hate it, hate it. I'm
Speaker 4: sick of both of them. They throw up at both
Speaker 4: of them, but they find a way to do it.
Speaker 2: So Travis Kelcey's on our TV right now and he's
Speaker 2: wearing an ALP and I don't one racing hat, So
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna win it. Give me the Chiefs
Speaker 2: to win. I think I'm right there with you. Nick.
Speaker 2: My head probably says, man, the forty nine ers are
Speaker 2: stacked all the way across the board, but my heart says,
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: I will throw up.
Speaker 3: I've been a brock party fan on many shows. I
Speaker 3: don't like the hate around brock person. It's done really well,
Speaker 3: but I do think the Chiefs defense is going to
Speaker 3: give him issues. I think that defensive unit is really strong.
Speaker 4: That we can look forward to is that when teams
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl, they typically separate.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, what the forty nine ers both of these
Speaker 2: teams for the Super Bowl and twenty twenty oh.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask you guys before we go
Speaker 4: leave me alone? They figured it out?
Speaker 2: Did they did?
Speaker 4: They figured it out with a lot of teams don't.
Speaker 4: But I do want to ask you, guys, with these
Speaker 4: teams that are in the Super Bowl, will they have
Speaker 4: coaches that are looking for other opportunities and stuff? And
Speaker 4: do you think that's going to matter? Do you think
Speaker 4: that maybe some of these gentlemen are people that people
Speaker 4: look at after No, Yeah, it's a fascinating thought.
Speaker 3: The chief defensive line coach has actually gotten a lot
Speaker 3: of college love. He was in the mix for the
Speaker 3: Michigan defensive coordinator job, which could be going to Wink
Speaker 3: Martin Dale. Oddly enough, I think that's when you look
Speaker 3: at Niners, I think there's going to be a guy
Speaker 3: out of the Niners every year that ends up getting
Speaker 3: a job somewhere. But there's not many open positions. I
Speaker 3: think you would probably have to look at the Seahawks
Speaker 3: or college opportunity.
Speaker 2: I'm only asking for this Cowboys defensive coordinator position.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm asking because I'm like, it is going
Speaker 4: to be late, but you're already late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we said it at the beginning of the show.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's hurting you by waiting and looking
Speaker 2: at your candidates. There's not a whole lot of spots
Speaker 2: open yet.
Speaker 4: Tracking Okay, I just want to ask. I mean, hopefully
Speaker 4: I'm not tamper.
Speaker 2: The only thing that this tells you right now is
Speaker 2: that they might like candidate, but they haven't gone that's
Speaker 2: the one yet. They haven't they haven't been completely sold
Speaker 2: on their guys. That's what this is telling you right now.
Speaker 2: Does it mean that they don't like a Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 2: Does it mean they don't like Ron Rivera? Does it
Speaker 2: mean they don't like Adam Dirty? No, it doesn't mean that,
Speaker 2: but it does mean that they want to at least
Speaker 2: go and look at their options, possibly to see if
Speaker 2: they have a guy that they fall in love with
Speaker 2: and if not, they'll make a higher based off of
Speaker 2: who's the best camp candidate. We'll see how it goes.
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